LEICA M10: EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW - LONG TERM REVIEW, TIPS & PHOTOS
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- Опубліковано 12 січ 2022
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My thoughts and many sample photos with the Leica M10 after nearly 5 years of professional and personal use. In this video we discus using the M10 and having to take on rangefinder calibration, differences between models, workarounds and the user experience. Is it still relevant today? Let me know what you think in the comments!
Awesome no bs review on the M10. Appreciate your in depth knowledge of how these cameras work. Nice to see the camera held up over time.
Great video! Thanks for sharing your point of view and experiences as well as the love for and with the Leica M10
Thank you for this patient and complete and very personal tour of the M10 and a great primer for stepping into the M arena.
Probably the most personal but thorough M10 review on UA-cam. I bought a used one a week ago and I can’t wait to get started. Fantastic photos, too.
I got an M10-P after watching this video a couple of times. I have an M9 but it’s archaic by comparison. In a perfect world there would be an M10 with an M9 sensor.
Thanks for the detailed info about the M10. Mine arrived last night. Cheers!
A great comprehensive look into your long term use of the M. Love how the top plate has worn!
Thanks for watching! Yeah I’m glad how it turned out!
Thanks for the video.
Love your 35mm lens selection. When I bought my 35mm film M6 rangefinder, based on my experience with Zeiss lenses on Contax G1 bodies, I knew I wanted a Zeiss Distagon 35mm f/1.4 lens. I later flanked my 35 with 21mm f/1.4 and 90mm f/2 Leica lenses. Later, I also bought an M10 digital rangefinder.
Excelent review and presentation of a great camera. Have it myself and I love its compactness.
Thanks for watching. Enjoy the camera!
Amazing review! Very informative, and you cover every topic that I am considering as I think about purchasing this camera. Unfortunately, that’s still a long term goal for me. Well, more like a pie-in-the-sky than a goal.
Very curious about the how the manual focusing system works. I’ve watched many reviews and no one talks about that-but to me, that’s why you buy a Leica. Thank you for describing this system.
Great review Andrew ! The m10 is still a great camera. I think anyone byuing a leica needs to use it as much as possible. We can't beat technolgy and that's the main reason why we will always be bonbarded with new leica tech. You start to appreciate what you have when you see the workflow and images you create down the road. I always enjoy your reviews Andrew. Thanks 🙏
Thanks for the great comment Marlon. Totally agree!
Very interesting video!! Nice to see those amazing pictures in old Montreal 😍
Thanks for watching. Glad you recognized some of the spots ;) can’t get enough of that beautiful part of Montreal.
Very practical sharing from a professional and your photos showed us how to get most from this digital range finder. Thanks a lot.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching
Love you vids, man. Keep sharing!!!
Thanks for the support! Lots coming out, stay tuned!
I picked up a well used M10 a month ago and immediately felt in love with it. Now we are having a long distance relationship as the camera is with Leica for ISO dial repair, but I think of it every day. As the saying goes "absence makes the hart grow fonder" and that is definitely my case as well.
Thank you for the wonderful review of this camera, very well done!
Glad it was helpful!
Hey, your review and your photos really make me to buy the M10 after surveying the M9. Nice!
Thank you for your excellent five year review with your M10. Definitely the most thoughtful, meaningful, and interesting review I have seen to date out of all the many many Leica digital M camera reviews. My first Leica digital M camera remains my current Leica digital M, the Leica M Type 262. It's a wee bit chunkier than the M10 but I have seen no compelling reason to update it to anything newer. It simply does what I need it to do, but then I'm just a hobbyist photographer. Your videos are very interesting and down to earth, relatable one might say. Thank you.
If it ain’t broke! Love the 262. These cameras never seem to run out of that inspired feel when you first get a camera. Indefinite honeymoon period. Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for watching!
Got the M262 as well and i am mostly happy with too but still the high iso Performance and sometimes the ability to use live view want me to get the M10. Awesome review but something got my attention in particular!!! I've never heard about the matching camera profile in lightroom is it only available for the M10 ??
@@antoninolongo9774 tanks for the comment, been using the camera profile for individual cameras since my Sony a7 days. It’s essentially what the camera maker wants the colors to look like.
If they don’t pop up, hit the + button to the left of the profile browser and make sure legacy and camera matching are on.
@@antoninolongo9774 I treat my M Type 262 exactly as I treat my M6. No live view on the M6 either so I just take pics suitable to the camera. If I need live view or higher ISO I have other cameras better suited to that.
Thanks a ton for this review. Looking to pick one up soon.
Thanks for watching, glad to hear! You won’t regret it!
I love this review. You obviously get what photography is about, at least IMO. Ultimately, it’s not about the megapixels and spec sheets - it’s about creating beautiful images. (Yours are great, btw.) I have an M5 and have never tried a digital Leica, but I’m seriously tempted to pick up an M10 to get that rangefinder experience in a digital format. Very nicely done. Thank you!
I highly suggest trying one out. It feels like cheating when you're used to shooting film M's. The M10 and subsequent models try very hard to emulate and improve upon the analog experience, but nothing beats shooting a film Leica, it's much more emotional. Thanks for the kind words and the support, happy shooting!
Could not get me a digital M until last year; I'm glad that it was the 2017 M10 Type 3656. 24 Mp are more than enough for the occasional 17x22 print out of my Epson 3800 (usually confined to US Letter or A3+ as I seem to be getting out of walls).
I swapped a good lot of analog equipment that included an M6 in early 2020 for it, but Covid trapped it in Canada so I didn't get it until last October.
Never mind, it's a great camera and I'm slowly building a set of essential accessories that had made it into a universal platform for most of my glass from various brands.
gotta try one its amazing and so fun
BTW, about *the only thing* that truly pisses me about the M10 is the loooong pause from switch on to fire ready, ditto from sleep to ready. In my case it has led to *dozens* lost ops.
This can be somewhat remedied by configuring the camera to keep turned on, and *do not enter sleep mode, with the necessary addition of *two* extra *$200* batteries for which there are not 3d party substitution. The thing is a battery hog! OTOH, beats changing rolls. 😂
Just bought an M10 and I love it. Great video!
Thanks for mentioning the camera profile. I use several Leicas for work (an M9, a Q1, an S2) and, recently, I acquired an M10R from someone who was purchasing an M11. Adobe color works fine on all as a starting point, but not in the M10. I did a couple texts and using the camera profile improves it a lot. Definitely a good tip to remember. I work mostly in Photoshop so often forget the lightroom adjustments.
Happy to have helped. It’s a crucial way to get the most out of the camera as you saw. Thanks for watching!
Fantastic review….thanks for sharing mate ✌️
Thanks for watching, cheers!
Man you always produce great videos!
Thanks appreciate it!
Thanks for such a clear review. I've been shooting M film bodies. I just ordered my (previously owned) M10-P this weekend. I can hardly wait to get it in hand.
I handled a Leica (IIIb or IIIc, probably, with a 50/3.5 collapsible Elmar) for the first time in 1967 during an European Summer Vacation, my personal camera was a Kodak Retina IIIc (small c) on loan from my father with heavy admonitions on its care. By then I had a good idea of the Sunny 16 rule so frequently we switched cameras with my room mate, the IIIc user (also from his father, and with similar admonitions) since my camera had (has, it's still with me) a light meter, essential for the Kodachrome we were shooting.
Many, many more years, perhaps 30, I came into possetion of my father's cameras, including not only the Retina IIIc, but also his Leica IIIf with Summarit 50/1.5, Hektor 28/6.3 and Summarex 90/2.8 and his current favorite, a Canon QL/9. 😂
By then I was shooting almost 100% with my Nikon FM2n's or my Rolleiflex 2.8F with Schneider Xenotar 80, but handling the quirky, backwards thinking Leica, with separate viewfinder and meter projected me into the dream of the 40's when my father must have bought it, pehaps to shoot his primogenit. Bear in mind I turned 75 this year.
The day I was loaned an M6 by a friend in a one week swap for my Rolleiflex 6008 I understood the *_pahtos._*
That year I got me a used M6 plus a Summicron 35 IV version. Soon added a Voigtländer Nokton 50/1.5 ASPHERICAL and the system grew.
Budget and lack of technological advance on the part of Leica kept me out of their realm shooting ocassionally my M2 M6 and MP and led me to Fujifilm X.
Just last year I was able to get me, in trade for most of my analog gear, a barely used M10 with less than 1500 exposures in the shutter. Even tho my X100V tempts me, I still go for the M10 and the Summicron 35 or the Summicron 50 that I purchased new in 2003 along with the MP.
I've handled the M8, M9, 240, 220... None seduced me but the day I was loaned an M10 I knew it was *The Leica M* of my future days.
Forget the M10R, it's just wasted disk space. The M11, hmmm... I like the simplicity of the original M10. It's almost like my MP but with instant gratification.
Fascinating story, Leica is in your blood it seems, you can’t escape it! I appreciate how you feel about the M10 and totally agree. I was glad to see that the M11 is mostly unchanged with regards to the design aspect. The M11 is a great camera but I vibe with the M10 DNGs very much.
i have an m9 and would love to go to an m10. but cost and still loving the m9 is making this upgrade a non priority. nice review by the way.
I’m watching this after buying one. Already own a Q and a CL digital (not boasting just context). So 2x EFV Leicas now I have a rangefinder. See this as a companion to my M3 film camera kind of an expensive light meter/Polaroid back up. I am so nervous coming back to rangefinder film after 35 years…….just shot a few tests in the kitchen using monochrome for the live view. The micro contrast is awesome. I got a visoflex and am comparing the focussing speed (helps me get the hang of the rangefinder it’s not making me lazy, honest!)….surprised about that! Raw files Up there with the X1D for sure (taking into account the pixel count). I think I will grow to love this camera and thanks for the review picked up many useful tips. Have been using the awesome Ricoh GRiii for street so no viewfinder just a screen, looking forward to try this baby for a different focussing experience. God this GAS hurts.
I totally agree. Love my M10. Great review. No need to upgrade. M10 is last of the greats. 🎉
I just watched this video, after first watching your M11 video. Thanks for the inspiration, and the reassurance that I my M10 and M Type 246 cameras remain relevant. I started Leica M photography, almost four years ago, with a pre-owned Summilux-M 50mm ASPH, and a new M10. I later added a pre-owned M 246 Monochrom. These cameras remain a wonderful “team.” Love the Zeiss Distagon 1,4/35mm ZM, too. Life is good.
Life is good indeed. Lovely setup with my two favorite lenses!cheers!
Why did you pickup a m246 after owning the m10? Im curious bcs i sold my 240 and upgraded to the m10
@@TheDanielHandojo Well, firstly, I dropped my then-new M10, which was in a neoprene camera wrap, so, it needed a trip to NJ, for healing of internal damage. Secondly, I already had an interest in the Monochrom concept, and, a well-preserved 246 became available, locally, while my M10 was down. Plus, the low-light, high-ISO performance of the 246 is quite good, so, the 246 was not made obsolete by the advent of the M10. I realize that images can be converted to monochrome, but, really do not care much for post-processing, so try to get as much as possible “right,” in-camera. The minor ergonomic differences act as a tactile clue, as to which camera I have in my hands.
That covers most of it, I think. I hope that this has been a helpful reply.
@@rexgigout1472 appreciate your reply Rex, enjoy your cameras!
Thank you, this is really useful.
Happy you found it so. Cheers!
Thanks for the great videos, I always enjoy them. I also had an M10 from launch and now have an M10r - not bought new thankfully! I do prefer the M10r files over the M10, the highlights seem to roll off in a more elegant way and they seem more filmic to my mind. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on that if you ever get a chance to play with an M10r.
Nice, I’ve been thinking of doing that very comparison. I fear that I would only wind up wanting the R when I do haha. Thanks for the support!
I have an M10 after buying a Q2 as my first leica as well. Love it so much and barely can see myself selling it ever. It’s something special. I don’t see any significant reason to upgrade to the M11 yet either as I’m just so in love with the images this camera makes and those mid-tones are like nothing I’ve ever seen before. Great overview/review.
Absolutely, there’s something about the files, this camera will always be special. The M11 is definitely an improvement, but then again I’ve already been happy with the files and experience with the M10. The best camera is the one you already have.
I also bought the Q2 as my first Leica. I'm considering getting an M10 also and wondering how you use both cameras and if you are planning on keeping both in the long term.
@@RichardPilon they are great in tandem with each other, the Q2 definitely gives me an easier daily carry feel and covers the 28/35mm focal length range pretty well, so I leave the 50mm on the m10. I find myself wanting to carry the M10 more than the Q2 since I like the 50mm focal length so much and I just think its a more beautiful camera, more intentional. But the Q2 is so dang versatile that I find myself grabbing that more often if I am just out for a stroll. I shoot weddings so having the q2 with quick autofocus for hip fire candid shots and fast paced moments is perfect complimenting the M10 with the longer focal length. I wish I could say I’d only keep the M10 if it was just a hobby, but I need 2 bodies and the Q2 has the benefits and look I need. I love both cameras so much and I’d probably be fine with either if I could only keep one.
@@PreFontaineRC76 Thanks for your reply Noah. In my case, it's a hobby for me so I'm having a hard time justifying owning two Leica cameras (keeping the Q2 and buying an M10 body and a lens). Like you , I love the Q2 but haven't tried the M10 so I'm not sure what I'm missing, if anything, and which of the two I would be happiest with if it made no sense financially to have both.
Fascinating video, reminds me of why I enjoy my own M10 so much. I bought it a couple of years ago, as an "open box" sale from B&H Photo, so I saved a little on the original purchase price. I still have my M8.2 and my film Leica cameras, but I've mostly been shooting Nikon (D750 and Df). Everything you say about the Leica is so true. I feel like my M10 becomes part of me, while with my Nikon it's something I hold onto.
No issues. I bought the Thumbs-Up as you did, and a few weeks ago I got the M10 "Grip" which makes the camera feel even more like a part of my body. I keep the Thumbs-Up in place, other than the few times when I need to use my Visoflex. If you've never tried the Visoflex, you ought to give it a try - it opens up additional possibilities with the M10.
Glad you agree! And I never got along with the visoflex and find it feels like a crutch in my opinion. I understand it’s beneficial for many applications but I led rather reach for a mirrorless camera that would have less of a delay and better focus peaking. If it was my only camera I’m sure I’d think differently
Also how are you finding the DF? I’m constantly lusting after one
@@GenericPhotographer For starters, I agree the Visoflex is a poor second to a real dSLR. But it's tiny, and I usually have it with me when I take my M10 somewhere. If I'm shooting with my 135mm Tele Elmar, the Visoflex is infinitely better than using the rangefinder window for me.
As to the Df, I always wanted one, came within a millimeter of buying one (but got into the D750 instead), then as the years went buy I lusted over the Df, until I found a used one at B&H that I think was their demo camera. Came with the box, and everything, and seemed brand new. To be honest, if I had to give up all my dSLR cameras and keep just one, it would be the Df. It is smaller, lighter, handles better, and almost all the controls can be done mechanically. One of Nikon's head camera developers built the dSLR that he would want for himself. There are two videos online that you might want to remember:
Basics: ua-cam.com/video/5s-4-zKiAFw/v-deo.html and
Beyond the Basics: ua-cam.com/video/2r5eFBrAopY/v-deo.html
It's a one-of-a-kind camera, unlikely to ever be repeated. It will only go up in value, not down. The D750 is some ways is technically better, such as dynamic range, but as a real camera to take real photos, and get the most enjoyment, the Df in my opinion is "the best". For you, as a photographer, the D750, or D850, is maybe a more reasonable choice, but none of them will replace the Df.
Prices are increasing for used cameras, and they're getting much more difficult to find. You might still be able to buy a refurbished Df from Nikon here:
www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/refurbished-dslr-cameras/nikon-df-refurbished.html
Love my M10-P reporter. Leica’s really are the very best consumer cameras, worth the price in my eyes.
Very informative video. I have the Q2 for my digital photography and the Olympus OM-1 for my film work. Currently trying to decide if I should buy an analog or digital Leica M rangefinder camera to add to my kit. Any recommendations?
Thanks for the comment. Depends on your workflow, style and comfort level with film. I’m a big advocate for film M cameras and you won’t lose money on one, but you’re limited to the medium and you can’t grow as quickly as you would with digital. That said the analog M experience is second to none and the M10 series tried it’s hardest to emulate that, it does a good job at it too. If you have a Q2 already, scoop up a M2 or something and give it a whirl. If it’s not for you at least you can sell it for more than you paid ;)
Great review. I have an M10R and love it too. Absolutely agree on limiting the ISO to 200. Interested to see how you pre program the button for 0.7 underexposure and how/when you use it in your shooting sequence
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! I programed it to be used as an ev compensation button. Simply press down and scroll with the wheel and it’ll show up on the screen.
Thank you for sharing your experience. Any issues with dust on the sensor, and if so is it difficult to clean?
Because of the design. I’ve only had to clean the sensor twice since owning it. The shutter is usually closed during operation. And usually a rocket blower gets things done.
dude im fucking sold man. i myself also stepped into the leica world with my leica Q which blew my mind on what that camera can do. its the only camera i truly feel confident shooting client work. it hits all the time! Then bought an M8. Love that one as well & all its imperfections!. Now i've been really looking into an m10 to pair up with my leica q. I have a D750 which is great but these leicas are really something else. thanks for your input on this beatiful camera.
Gooble gobble one of us! The Q is usually the first step to going full M for most. If your workflow permits it, the M10 is a very viable option, glad I helped selling you on one. You'll love it! Now that the M11 is out, prepare to see a boatload of them for sale, and the good news is that most of the people that buy a new Leica at any given chance hardly ever use them to begin with ;) Thanks for watching!
Great video! I been a long time Sony shooter. Had the a57, a65, a99, all the Sony nex cameras. I now have the a7riii. Last year I purchased a q2 but hated the auto focus.. always would miss. Light years behind the Sony.. don’t the q2 but thinking about picking up an m10 for my fun around the town camera. Never shot a range finder but your video makes sense and makes it sound fun.
Sony has always been about innovation above all else. It finally paid off with the a7 models. The rangefinder experience is liberating and kind of antiquated in a digital world, but the engagement is unparalleled. Hope you get to try one!
@Somemjf: it’s been 2 years, what’s happened, did you get an M10 or M11? What’s your experience been? Do let us know!
@@RikMaxSpeed wow 2 years.. so I ended up getting the m10, never used a range finder and it was fun but for the price it was to much for me to keep. Wish I kept it longer but after a month sold it and got a q2 again. Had the q2 for a bit but ended up selling it again. The q2 the second time I mainly used manual focus. After owning the m10 it gave me a different prospective on manual focus. Now I just have the Sony a7VI.
Thank you for the review, it’s wonderful and the photos are as well so beautiful.
In regards for the Horizontal fix for the focus, is it only a matter of screwing the little screw or adjust the button then screwing the screw?
Thank you! For the horizontal alignment, you simply give the screw a small and gentle turn, nothing big, and check your focus at infinity if that’s where it’s off.
The big screw is the one you only touch 99% of the time. You can also adjust the pitch for close focus on the cam arm but I really
Wouldn’t suggest going that route. It’s time consuming to align for each point.
Good video. I have still "only" Leica M8.2 but this M10 is more advanced. As second hand buy it seems to be 4200 Euros here in Finland.
Very nice review esp. for those who wonder what the heck the M is all about. For my personal work I’m using an M10-R after trading in my M10. However, some art directors keep asking me to shoot with the M10(-R). With a 50 Lux Asph and the 90 APO-cron you get these lovely special tones. It is just perfect for brands like Escada with their whites, blues and pastel tones and the files are so easy to grade. Recently I also used my M7 in the south of France with Ektachrome film for a perfume brand. The results were stunning and it was such a great trip down memory lane. Other gear is just… gear. But when you appreciate an M, you’ll never let go. The M10 and upwards have all the good things from previous M-generations, but without some of the quirks that the older generations had.
Nice to hear that you’re appreciating the M experience in a professional realm! Absolutely agree with you about the camera being so much more than gear. Happy shooting!
Do you think the directors just want smaller files or is it differences in the "look" of the sensor between the two cameras? I also went for the M10-R (see my comment)..
@@kevinsmith2349 no, it’s not the file size. My regular camera for work is the H6D and many statements of work include the requirement of files with at least 8000 pixels on the long side. So, sometimes even the M10-R can’t fulfil that requirement.
For them it’s about the special colors. The M10(-R) can produce really delicate pastel colors and nuances. The M11 in general is more vibrant which is the overall trend nowadays. Of course you can grade the colors in post, but it’s quite hard to recreate the ‘M10 colors’ out of other cameras. Next to colors the special ‘Summilux-look’ is also a factor. For that you need to shoot wide open, which isn’t always possible in fashion shoots. Whenever you can, it creates this beautiful focus fall-off and buttery soft bokeh.
@@jacobh5817 It’s amazing how different the colors are coming out of different cameras. I was looking at some old photos that I took with my Nikon D70 (one of the first digital SLR consumer cameras) and I really like the colors. In comparison with my next camera an - OM-1D which I have gotten some good photos with but the colors are almost shocking. I’ve thought about maybe upgrading the firmware on the camera to see if they’ve done anything to tame it. My M10-R seems a little in between those two. I almost bought Nikon Z camera because I really liked the old colors but I am not sure if their newer mirrorless cameras have “cool” colors. My D70 is an artifact that lives in the closet some place. Last time I looked, the plastic overing on the body was deteriorating.
Great content mate
Love this review. (Digital expose for highlights, film expose for shadows)
Words to live by!
Thank you for this video. I have an m240 which I absolutely love shooting. Are you tempted to go for the higher resolution of M10-R or M11? Does the 24mp sensor hold you back anywhere?
Great guide and user info, even for an experienced M, SL and Q shooter here. Picked up an M10-P. Subscribed.
this is a great retro on this camera. I experience this camera in much the same way. Rare that a tool is so well constructed, so well distilled in to essentials, and is also a constant creative companion that inspires and sparks joy.
question: where do you get the m10 lightroom profile? Lightroom does not seem to have this and I need to find it online somewhere.
Click on the + button on the left of the profile bar. Then click on camera profile and legacy (this is namely for the SL).
25:51 looks like a movie. Great shot!!!
Thanks! That was taken in Cannes over the holidays. Such a photogenic area.
This is one of the reviews that convinced me to get an M10 over an M240. Now I’m thinking of getting a M10-R as my next Leica M and use my regular Leica M10 as a daily/beater Leica if that makes sense. Plus the M10 line was the last to be made out of brass in the black chrome color option.
It’s such an impressive camera, hard to believe it’s from 2017. Still holds up well but I’m a Micro Four Thirds user so I’m used to having limited equipment and not something like a Sony A7III that will let you recover an super underexposed image.
I love the analog like experience it gives me. It was everything I hoped for and more.
Great review! 😘
you're great
Great review my friend! M10 FTW 🤟🏻
Thanks good sir. You thinking of upgrading?
@@GenericPhotographer I’m actually not in a hurry to upgrade. Still love my M10 and, like you, I still feel and see the magic in those files. Maybe down the road, but for now, I’ll continue learning more and developing my knowledge of this camera. At the end of the day I’m inspired by it and that was the idea behind the video I made about getting out of the “upgrading to the latest and greatest” loop.
@@FredRanger exactly, the best camera is the one you already have on you. I’ll check it out!
Well if I didn't want one before (I really did) I super want one now! I've got the first hurdle out of the way in that my wife has given me the green light. All I need to do now is save up for one. Going to take a while but it'll be worth it.
Great video and in depth! How robust is the viewfinder and how often it needs aligning? That’s my main concern is I hear about it barely takes a bump and the viewfinder goes way out of whack, then has to be sent in for realignment
I’ve knocked mine around pretty hard and use it daily, never had any surprise unalignements. Horizontal alignment is very easy to adjust and I’ve done it twice since I’ve owned the camera. And it’s only because I’m very picky. Just test it at infinity and see how it looks. Adjust if needed
@@GenericPhotographer thank you so much for the insightful reply! I currently have an X2 and a TL2, would love to eventually add either the SL2 or the M 10 in some variation. I’ve dreamed of an M for a very very long time so might head that route eventually. How do you feel about voitlander lenses? They seem rather reasonable in price and quality for M cameras
I can't claim to even come close to your skills, but I have been through a quite similar journey. Except that in my case I was using Fuji cameras (first the X100s and then the Xpro3). I really liked the Fujis, their Jpeg output was fantastic. But I always felt like they were trying to mimick the real thing. Once I held an M10 in my hand, it was impossible not to succomb. It just feels so much better in so many ways.. Granted, there is a learning curve with manual focusing (I started with the Summilux 50mm f1.4 and it was and still is sometimes challenging to focus when shooting wide open), but I got so used to it and I wouldn't want to go back to an EVF with autofocus. Child birthday parties still remain difficult and I'm thinking about buying a used Q for when I really need autofocus. But in reality, I very rarely find myself wanting autofocus.
I'm shooting the Summilux 50mm and a Summarit 35mm. I might want to upgrade the 35mm. What would be your advise? The Distagon pictures look amazing, but I'm always drawn to the Summilux 35mm. Also: what kind of ND filters do you use? Obviously, shooting wide open with a Summilux during a sunny day at ISO200 requires a filter. Would be nice to know what you are using.
Thanks a lot for the very nice review! Wants me to go out and make pictures ;)
The M10 is the real deal isn’t it? The summarit is a really good lens and it will only rise in value given it’s rarity. I wouldn’t bother upgrading unless you really needed to, seeing as you’ve got the 50 Summilux. If you did upgrade, the 35 Summilux is spectacular, personally I’d go for a smaller lens like the Summicron or the new voigtlander ultron II. I use circular polarizing filters from B+W, I don’t use ND filters, but when I did they’re from B+W as well.
@@GenericPhotographer Cheers! I just saw your review of the Voigtländer 28mm and I think it would actually make sense to have an additional focal length. 50-35-28mm combo, probably too close to each other, but what the heck... I'll always keep the Summarit, I have the 2.4 version too ;)
@@guizmobro I highly recommend the 28 ultron II. I’m definitely going to buy one at some point. The 21 is also fantastic. Lucky you with the 2.4, enjoy it!
I just ordered an M10!
Hello, would still recommend today the M10? I am struggling between the 3 M10 version, and I wonder if teh 40mpx reallly matter at the end. I know its a new sensor, quitter shutter, but in terms of image quality does it really mattter?
Thanks for this very informative video. I recently purchased a used M10-R partly based on your feedback and I am enjoying the camera very much. I probably would have gone for an M10 and saved 1500+ dollars, but I figured I would have the camera for the long run so I wanted the 40MP. The quiet shutter is something I didn't really know about, so I am glad to get that as well. One question...I am not noticing that much difference in the LightRoom color profiles for the M10-R vs Adobe Standard or Adobe Color. Do you see a big difference with your M10 ? (I think you mentioned that in this video or maybe another one of your videos.)
In general using the specific camera profile is the best option, since it gives you the most lattitude in shadows and highlights. As we use Capture One I can’t speak for differences in LR, but the camera specific profile in C1 makes quite a difference for both the M10 and the M10-R. As for the other differences between M10 and M10-R, next to the silent shutter, the M10-R has a build-in gyroscope which enables a horizon level and in-camera keystone correction. I think you made a good choice to go for the R. It’s more future-proof and hold great value. Enjoy!
@@jacobh5817 thanks for mentioning the built in gyro . I have tried the perspective correction firmware and it seems to work well . The level indicator is something I should probably turn on as I seem to be blowing my framing a lot compared to my slr. I think it’s just a matter of training. You’re the 2nd person that mentioned C1 to me today so maybe time to try it !
Congrats on the M10-R! Watch this video on how to get your color profile in Lightroom: ua-cam.com/video/NFF1Ao4Ebn4/v-deo.html
thank you where do you get M10 camera profile from please?
Great long time review - in the pictures you also used a Summaron 35 2,8 you did not mention in the video - or I missed it. What do you think about this lens?
The summaron is one of my favorite lenses I’ve ever used. I’ll be making a video on it shortly
@@GenericPhotographer great … waiting for the video about the Summaron
That's a M240 sound, After M10P they changed it. But it's always always mechanical. No electronic shutter on the M.
A few additions (Unfortunately, I baby it too much because of all you mentioned, Instead of shooting it 100% of the time and enjoy):
1. I feel every "click" counts. It's a process.
2. Zone focusing (setting Near and far ranges, especially with 35mm and below) is even faster than patch focusing, on the street as an example.
3. The lack of "blackout" when you press the shutter: You don't need to imagine what happened in that split second: You see everything continuously and don't have that EVF delay (EVF will always always have a tiny tiny delay over real optical view, but it's there)
3. Battery life is toward DSLR, versus Mirrorless with an EVF chewing batteries.
4. You see outside the frame with 45-50mm and above (And to some small extent with 35)! This allows you to see always what's coming into the frame.If a child runs into your frame, You\ll see exactly when you need to click. You don't have a"tunnel vision" now knowing maybe something else happens where you're not looking.
Something I do feel is difficult for me with the rangefinder, On the other hand, Is shooting something that is repetitive (Leaves for example) And not knowing which leave I need to cover which one in the patch :)
5. Sony won't fix and CLA your camera in 15 years. Leica will. They still do it for the 2006 M8 (17 years).
Oh, And if you ask your cardiologist to have an MRI of your chest - You'll probably see all the dings in your heart whenever the camera got banged :) LOL
What about dust on the sensor? I’ve had dust specs on my files. Do you swab the sensor yourself? Any tricks in changing lenses?
Rocket blower and a yearly clean. I do my Sony cameras myself but I don’t trust myself enough to do the M10. Just always change lenses with the camera turned off and facing down. This minimizes the risk of dusk getting on the sensor.
Great review. You briefly mention the button on the front of the camera. Can you describe its purpose?
Thanks! It’s a custom button. I set mine for exposure compensation. You can use it for a variety of other purposes.
I really like the idea of using MF lenses but I’m used to tracking moving subjects with the AF system on my Canon R6’s. I shoot weddings. How do you handle moving subjects and action?
I’m used to not using autofocus and I vastly prefer using manual lenses. In all honesty, I find using a rangefinder way more preferable. Once you get accustomed to your kit, stopping down a lens and accounting for the movement is way easier to do rather than relying on an autofocus system to try and predict your subject’s movements.
Thank you for this great video. Please tell me how do I get Leica M10 Profile into Adobe Lightroom?
Thanks for watching! I published a video exactly on how to get them: ua-cam.com/video/NFF1Ao4Ebn4/v-deo.html
@@GenericPhotographer Thank you!
I have M10 and M6TTL. Its such a good feeling to shoot with them. Before that i hade many Fujis like X100 XE3 XT2 XPro3. But non of them gave me such a good feeling, love Leica Ms. I think after M11 realease m10 got even more attractive camera for me. 24megapixels is a sweet pot. I dont think Leica shooter need that megapixels and sharpness.
Absolutely agree, I would almost add another M10 to my roster
How do you like that type of camera strap? Would you recommend it?
Love my cooph straps but I prefer a thinner less cumbersome full leather strap. The included M10 leather strap is meh with that said
32:23 Haven't been in Montreal since 2017, but before was frequently, yet, only had Leica M4-2 where from 2015-2017. No questions about camera. Ontario, GTA is very different story. Been asked, notified it is Leica with M4-2, M8, M-E220 and so on. A lot.
I love the M10 too but I use only jpeg - what LR are you using exactly - would like to try it
Please try shooting DNG, the files are just so good and definitely a notch above the JPEGs. I’m using the lates Lightroom classic. It’s worth the subscription
Hello , May I ask a few questions please ? How do you manage to shot with 21mm ? Do you need any external viewfinder or you start to develop some kind of instinct for the frame-line. Thanks !
I use a finder. However I did build up a sense of how wide it is. You can also use the edges of the M10 finder to gauge your fov but it isn’t accurate.
People just don’t understand how good shooting with the m10 is. I don’t use it professionally but for personal it basically goes everywhere with me. It’s the most liberating camera once you tame it.
Absolutely, glad that you’re enjoying the camera as well.
Good to hear, I was thinking about getting a M10R . Can’t justify the price. M10 looks good.
Thanks for taking time, i watched the whole thing. Im looking to buy leica too. But it has to be said. This is such leica people thing, hey we change shutter in the first month, battery life is terrible, hot shoe falls off, low light performance is bad, highlight recovery is no where near other camers, BUT is leica, its special, there is something in the picture quality... Honestly as a person who is pretty objective i just cant get pass those things, its a way for people to justify purchasing a camera that costs 2-3-4x and under perform but still people will go crazy about it. And yes im looking to get one and see whats up for my self because i just cant understand whats going on. Ive shot every single brand, i dont have loyalty i dont care. I love film photogtaphy tho and the simplicity of leica, this is why i want to get one. But for people to prace it for everything else other then that just seems crazy and out of touch with their head.
Even the lenses are not the sharpest or best coating out there to a lenses that are 10x less money.
The two big factors that leica has are, simplicity, small farm factor, small lenses for what they are(all give them that) and beauty. Is it worth 8k, NO its not, but when people go out and make videos like this, its bad for everyone... anyway thanksf or the effort for the video,
Man.. that point about the focus throw spoke to me. I use Voigtlander's on Sony. I love them, for sure... but that focus throw once you dip under a few meters is absurd. It forces you to avoid that range unless you're a bokeh flowers type of person.
How did you find focus on the Voigtlander with the M? Easy as the Leica glass or more fiddly?
Hi! I just got an M10 and I noticed it doesn't handle the highlights very well and it seems to create images with a lot of contrast, because of this any scene with high contrast will cause me to lose details in either the highlights or the shadows, it is supposed to have about 13+ stops of dynamic range but this feels more like 10 or 11. I am not sure if there is some way of tweaking settings to minimize this issue. Not sure if your experience has been similar.
Shoot at iso200, underexpose by at least -.3 stops and shoot raw
I checked my lightroom and doesnt seem to have the leica profile, where can I find it?
Hello, I'm using M240 right now. And I really can't find M240 profile in my lightroom. Where did you find lightroom profiles for M10? Thanks!
It’s under camera profiles, click the + button and check “embedded” and “camera matching”
has the rangefinder gone out of specification? assuming specifications means accurate :)
Cool camera.
I heard the M10 had brass top and bottom plates but looking at where you banged it, it looks more like silver.
Good catch! It is indeed brass. There are people that have struck metal with bumps much harder than mine. The silver is part of the layering of the chrome brass process. Eventually it will be entirely silver and then brass beneath.
Did you ever have to get your sensor cleaned? Or did you not have any issues
I advise to get it done yearly. That said I usually just give it a blow with a rocket blower. The M10 isn’t really susceptible to dust since the shutter only opens when you take a photo.
I was shooting a handful of old Leica and Voigtlander lenses on my Fuji X cameras for years. I was looking into getting an M9 or M10, but ended up getting a Fuji GFX50R instead. It's wild that medium format cameras can be found cheaper than a Leica. I still would like to get an M9 someday for that CCD sensor.
5:04 i love the happy dumpling 😋
hello fellow Montrealer 👋
Nice reivew. Sold my M10 due to camera going out of calibration and moved to SL2 body.
Thanks, that’s definitely a good switch! How are you finding the SL2 coming from the M10?
How do you feel about the m11? I think the m10 is a sweet spot.
Check out my video on it ;) that said I’m not selling my M10 anytime soon, I’d say that the M10P is the perfect M for me, primarily because of the silent shutter.
I'm thinking about getting M10 or M10-P. Would you please let me know if you've used the M0-P and if stands up to M10. Thank you.
If I’m starting from scratch I’d pay the extra money for the P models. They’re significantly quieter and have some minor improvements. Also aesthetically they’re just perfect.
@@GenericPhotographer Thank you for quick reply. I was about 80 percent for the M10-p... now 100 percent sure! Hopefully will get one very very very soon.
I'm curious: do you have one body or two? Now, I've never had a camera break on me. Never. Not a Leica, not a Nikon, nothing. Even the cheap Sony I have is fine, even though the dial has a minor wear issue.
But, personally, I would prefer two older bodies than one newer one. I don't even care about dual card slots. I'd like to know your thoughts on all that.
Bought this guy new so definitely couldn’t afford two of them. I usually carry the M10 and a Sony body for weddings or a film M body for travel. I have a great deal of faith in the M10 since it’s proven itself so far but I also believe in redundancy. I always format the memory card in the camera before shooting anything important and I don’t use a card bigger than 64gb for paid work. Simply swap it out if things fill up.
how much was the shutter repair ?
It was free and under warranty. iirc it’s around 1000$ out of warranty. If mine fails on me I’ll switch it up to a M10P shutter and housing which is a little more but worth it.
Apart frm the M10 Monochrom, the M10's are discontinued. You now have the choice between the M10R and the M11.
Enjoyed this video. Thank you for not adding music, and thank you for speaking at a normal pace. (Many You Tubers -Leica users in particular for some reason, talk unnaturally slow). But, I can't understand why a real Leica user like yourself keeps that plastic on the bottom. Please, rip that off and leave that for the people who spend more time protecting their camera than actually using it. I made an entire video about that plastic strip. It's called, "The One Thing Leica Users Get Wrong", if you care to look it up.
Good catch about the music. Music is way overused in videos, although I will admit I won't object to jazz. The worst offender is the 'baby voice' genre.
@@Biosynchro Jazz would probably be my last choice for music in any situation ;)
@@JohnRicard 😆🥂
I juz bought the used M10 and found out that the camera cannot detect the older and non leica lenses...been searching the google but no solution so far...
That’s the only caveat of shooting legacy or third party glass. Just don’t shoot with a lens profile by turning it off in the menu. If you’re willing to do some experimenting, you can try different profiles manually to use with each lens you have. Just make sure that the profiles aren’t screwing around with color casts and crazy vignetting, those are permanent, distortion isn’t.
@@GenericPhotographer thanks for the advise...
Does this mean it's time for the M11? 🙌🏼
Not quite haha. Perhaps a M10R if anything
You're going to get a lot of views from people now looking to buy a used M10 after the release of the M11!
And I’m here to say that the M10 will keep on working. My use is a testament to that.
@@GenericPhotographer What would you buy today… a brand new M10-P at a discount or a SL2-S with a M-adapter?
@@theronsan depends on your needs. The sl2s will have a better sensor, is easier to focus and is the more logical choice. The M10-P is more engaging, smaller and will hold its value if you get it used. If you’re unsure, get the M10-P, decide if it’s for you or not and sell it if it isn’t. Cheers!
@@GenericPhotographer Thanks for your reply! 👍 I have tested both cameras in a store earlier. Yes, the SL2s is easier to focus. The SL2s just feels ”right” compared to a M10. But I have always wanted to have a M camera but after testing one I’m afraid that many of my photos will be out-of-focus. I probably need more practice. I think I will have to test both of them again before I can decide 😄
@@theronsan keep in mind that the rangefinder experience is an emotional one. You’ll be spending years trying to master the focus but the journey is what makes it so unique. It’s also substantially easier to zone focus with a M camera. Definitely spend more time with both ,specifically the M, and make a decision.
NOICE
You’re noice
As much as I love my Leica M cameras and lenses, I have to say that consistently achieving critical focus with them can be very challenging . . . and in fact is virtually impossible in most circumstances. Most images made with Leica rangefinders (actually, any manual focus camera for that matter) that are considered "in focus" are really not - certainly not critically so. I only need to point to your own images that you kindly shared with your viewers in this video to illustrate my point. Of course, if one takes all the time one needs to achieve critical focus, it can be done. But the typical situations that most rangefinder users find themselves in when shooting, do not allow 'all the time one needs'. The very sorts of situations that Leica cameras were invented to excel in, hamper the very thing that decades of development of the world's finest lenses strove for - critical sharpness. This is all the more amplified today with the ever increasing pixel counts that these cameras are capable of. Indeed, can the latest iterations of Leica Ms - M10R and M11 - really be called "rangefinders" when their focusing mechanisms have all but been rendered obsolete?
Critical focus is overrated
@@bernardlesperance742 that’s seems like a pretty general and narrow view on photography.
I never thought professor of photography was a real thing until now
The finest teacher at Hogwarts
Without eye-af won’t you get a lot of those instances where you just miss focus on the face? Especially with fast lenses
It would need to have autofocus first ;). Depends on the subject matter and lens. With practice you tend to miss fewer and fewer shots.
@@GenericPhotographer I tried a Leica in a store and it did seem sort of difficult but thats prob because it was new. I just feel like center focus and reframing will never allow you to land on the eye -especially now that the M11 is 60MP that will be sort of annoying
Has it been that long?
Time flies when you’re having fun
@3:15 lol ok 😂
Are you the original owner of the M10? Over 5+ years of daily use how many times have you had to get the rangefinder recalibrated?
I switched m240 to m10 because of the viewfinder 😊 no need to buy m11 . M10 is my last M Leica , I’m happy with 24mp .
When I was younger much younger than today
I laughed at Leica and at Henri Cartier-Bresson
But now those days are gone
I'm not so self assured
now I find I've changed my mind
And opened up the doors
Help me if you can, I'm feelling down
And I do appreciate you being 'round
Help me get my feet back on the ground
Won't you please, please help me, help me...