Tradition is NOT Si, Morality is NOT Fi : Cognitive Function and Behaviour are NOT the Same Thing
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- Опубліковано 13 гру 2021
- Si is NOT "following tradition", Fi is not "morality", etc.
Cognitive functions ARE NOT behaviour.
The cognitive functions can lead to the observable behaviors we often talk about, but they are NOT the behavior per se.
Depending on what is happening in between the cognitive function processing and the behavior, things can look different.
Values, opinions, beliefs, culture, other psychological processes, environmental factors, and so on can come into play and influence the end goal.
It is important to look at WHY someone does something to understand the reasoning and motivation - and then the function as well.
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What else would you like to know about this topic?
One thing that would be really useful is that if you made a video about your interpretation of the 1st & 3rd function loop. Casual cognition,erik thor and some other typologists have made videos about this topic.
Ps: If you've already done this can you please share the link?
@@anisanancy6459 Yeah I can talk about it as well, sure.
I think more prompts or questions to ask yourself/others to get to the root of the motivation - why a person does a certain behavior - would be helpful (you already suggested some in the video). Thanks!
@Indigo Rodent Yes. I already gave some examples. But their observations are different from each others.
Thank you INFJinxed. So many people misunderstand what MBTI is, and think it is a behavior system, when in reality it is a cognition system.
My biggest gripe with the misconception or overgeneralization/simplification that Fi is morality. Is not only what you have said, but also what it means according to people on the internet when you have a lack of Fi.
For example, in PDB I often see people mystype people as ExTP and then say they are an ExTP because this person is not moral and ExTPs are Fi blind. But if ExTPs did not care about morality, then why do many of the ethical philosophers are xNTPs?
People equate not having Fi with being immoral. And having been close all my life to Fi users, that couldn't be further from the truth. Fi valuing something doesn't even mean it has to be moral. Fi is a value system, but not a moral value system, yeah it can include morality but not necessarily. What is even worse, Fi is personal and subjective, so what the person values could even be immoral according to many.
Using morality to try and type someone, will lead to several mistypes. First, becasue that is not how it works. Second, because what you consider to be moral might be very different from what the person considers to be moral. So a person could be immoral according to you but to them, they aren't.
Also, all functions dabble in the topic of morality, specially the judging functions. The question you should be asking is not what they believe or what they consider moral, but why. When talking about cognition, behaviour and results does not matter, but cognition is about the why a person is that way. You shoud look for the motivations behind their actions.
Very relatable comment.
Very much agree and have seen this very often. EXTPs seen as “bad” due to Fi trickster.
@Indigo Rodent yes, I can see that. However, I don’t think it is fair for EXTPs to be seen as bad as a result of that. Which is something that happens sometimes.
@Indigo Rodent yes, or people assuming that if a character from a movie is doing bad things, then they must be EXTP or EXTJ even.
"Fi is a value system but not a moral value system" end quote... very well said and I agree 👍🏼 Even people believing Ti doms doesn't have morals at all because they're definition of values is solely directed to Fi users or high Fe users... ridiculous
I swear your whole channel is underrated
I struggle to NOT have easy definitions for the functions along with an observable trait to go along with it.
Te needing the measurable output. 😅
Yes. This is the problem with MBTI tests. They often ask you behavioral questions without getting the understanding as to WHY the behavior is being done. I was mistyped for many years because of this.
Omg thank you! I didn’t know how to explain it, but you knew the exact words. I’ve always felt people in the mbti community didn’t have a open mind about the cognitive functions, because of that people would type me all types of personalities, just because of my behavior, and me with my Ti, I began to doubt my tying due to different information coming in. Little did I know, the people that were typing me, just didn’t understand the background I came from or they had one sided view of the cognitive functions. I just had a feeling something was up with their typing, but thanks to you I understand. THANKS!
Knocked it out of the park! Felt like that spoke to me on some level, as an ENTP. I also loved how off-the-cuff and fluid you were in this video; great to see that real-time ideation. Great work!!!
Thank you, Andrew! Much appreciated! 🤗
I'm glad you talked about these things. I am an isfp and I noticed I like certain traditions. So I thought that I might be an isfj. But when I think about the "why" I found that certain traditions are just fun. It's fun with christmas because you get to meat your loved ones, eat and exchange gifts. An isfj might have said that it is important to keep up the tradition for the sake of the tradition itself. But I would be very reluctant to keep doing something I hated doing-tradition or not. Hope i'm making some sense here 😄
This is a beautiful video ❤️
Thank you!
I just read your take on Ni and Si in my email and found it to the point. So, I encourage one more time people to enlist to your email list as well. Thanks, T. Great way to start my morning.
Thank you so much! Very happy to know you enjoyed the last article!
Like the point of view that there is more to people's behaviour than MBTI, Enneagram, etc. type.
I was waiting for a video like that. Thank u!
I don't even understand the scope and definition of "feelings" in the MBTI system. We all know love, hate, sadness, loneliness, etc are feelings. How about pain, hunger, thirst, tiredness.....and a million other things we feel that don't seem to be addressed? What exactly am I missing here?
Feeling, as defined by Jung, is a judging (decision) function. This function makes decisions by prioritizing values, emotions or relationships rather than facts and logic. This is just a “quick” description. I talk about Fe and Fi more in depth in the videos called “Introverted Feeling - Through the Lens of Carl Jung”; “Extraverted Feeling - Through the Lens of Carl Jung”.
I’m an ISTP and have quite a few small routines but it's not because I value those things. Usually I just found through experience or by analyzing that that's the most efficient or logical way to do certain things and by always routinely doing them that way I don't have to expend further mental resources and am free to think about something else while doing those tasks. For example I have a certain order in which to do the dishes or a routine for brewing coffee. But I'm quick to change and adapt those if necessary.
Those routines as well as quite some planning that I also do made it difficult to correctly type myself at first. I didn't recognize the Se in me initialy and I didn't know enough about the functions so I was left with introversion, thinking and some intuition which would have meant either INTP or INTJ but neither the Ne nor the Te really fit. But once I found the Se within me everything more or less fell into place.
And don't worry there are still enough things I do without routines or planning at all. :)
My husband is ISTP and he "likes" his morning and evening routines. It's just easier for him that way and he can just get it done with and not worry about those things any more. It seems effortless for him to "get ready" in the morning and at night.
I'm INTP and I tend to do many of my routine things in a different order almost every day, which is actually kind of annoying to me, but I do it anyway. I'm usually lost in thought while doing mundane tasks, or I might get distracted if I think of something and want to check my phone for something, and if there are too many small tasks to do in a row, I am not thinking which one is next, etc. So I often have to stop and figure out where I am in my process, or look around to see if I forgot something. I'd rather not do any routines. It is like a necessary evil to me. I like the result of routines, but I hate them.
It annoys me to no end when people conflate Ne with humor and creativity. Can Ne users be funny and creative? Absolutely, but so can every other type. My mom is an ENFP and she's not actually that funny or any more creative than the next person, she just really loves exploring ideas. I also get annoyed with the Fi morality thing, because I'm a Ti dom but I definitely have a strong moral compass. I care a lot about how my actions affect others.
hahaha! So true. As an INTP (I know Ne is second, but it is my top perceiving function), many people don't think I'm funny at all, but I think I'm funny, and to me that's all that matters because I can make myself laugh. I also think it's funny when I say something that I think is funny and others don't think it's funny, but they know that I think I'm being funny.
And yes, Ne is mostly about exploring ideas/possibilities, not humor. Every type and individual has their own type(s) of humor. Everyone can be funny in their own way.
Si is more moral than Fi my brother is an INFP and has no moral standards whatsoever
That is not the case.
No functions are more or less moral than another.
Morality is a totally separate topic from MBTI.
User Farrex0 (another commenter on this video) put it perfectly, so I will just quote them!
"People equate not having Fi with being immoral. And having been close all my life to Fi users, that couldn't be further from the truth. Fi valuing something doesn't even mean it has to be moral. Fi is a value system, but not a moral value system, yeah it can include morality but not necessarily. What is even worse, Fi is personal and subjective, so what the person values could even be immoral according to many.
Using morality to try and type someone, will lead to several mistypes. First, because that is not how it works. Second, because what you consider to be moral might be very different from what the person considers to be moral. So a person could be immoral according to you but to them, they aren't.
Also, all functions dabble in the topic of morality, specially the judging functions. The question you should be asking is not what they believe or what they consider moral, but why. When talking about cognition, behavior and results does not matter, but cognition is about the why a person is that way. You should look for the motivations behind their actions."
Hopefully that cleared things up for you!
Great message and explanation, as always! So, would you say that it’s about looking at the motives/motivations behind the behavior?
yes
@@INFJinxed thanks! ☺️
Christian ENTP here. I definitely defy some ENTP stereotypes, but once you see how I talk, what I value and why, and how I behave then It is clear Im an ENTP. I also fit a lot of the stereotypes.
Hey thanks for this great video. I recently just sent someone to your channel for this topic. Your spiral of behavior video.
Now, to be greedy. I would like to know if there is a documented spectrum of behavior with the types. Do the stereotypes ring true just a little? And, I always want to know how the heck do you get to evil as a stereotype? Finally, thanks again.
What do you mean with the “evil stereotype”?
As far as I know INTJ is the only type memed as evil. There is smart/dumb, warm/cold, crowds/isolated. Then there is evil. So what the heck is up with that ? That's not personality. That's not even on the human spectrum. From what does it come ? Thanks.
@@glueball214 Well, I have seen evil associated with other types as well, like ENTJ. I think people associate Te with lack of warmth in general and maybe based on a few negative experiences with some people of that type, they started creating this "evil" idea around TJs.
@@INFJinxed hmmm. Thanks. Based on nothing. Kinda hurtful. Soooo many villains. XD