New Player Reviews World of Warcraft
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- Опубліковано 20 кві 2024
- This poor soul subjected himself to the torture that is playing WoW for the first time in 2024 and compiled a REVIEW of the game for anyone who might be masochistic enough to try the same !
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Whoever told him to try retail should be thrown in jail for cruel and unusual punishment.
Says someone who doesnt play the game
He wanted to do it
@@holyrs1575 I've played for 19 years my guy. I know what he's getting into lol
@@AFO3310 then your experience is irrelevant to a new player
@@AFO3310 something he could play for 19 years?
How do I get this man to watch my WoW video
get up that wow factor hahahahaha
We want him to man
thatd be cool
Criticize his opinion on steak
make enjoyable non-boring content.
This entire godforsaken shitty ass tutorial zone with nonstop cutscenes treating you like a king as you show up vs.... Durotar. One cutscene. Your dropped by a fire, naked.
Then choose durotar...?
How is someone suppose to know this the first time they make a character??? You can't think outside your own experience. @@nou2716a new player can make an educated experience with our first being educated.
@@nou2716A new player isn't going to know that!
@@nou2716you don’t have a choice if you’re on a brand new account. It forces you to do the island.
@@MrTaylork1does it really? I thought it was an option as a new player?
You don't enjoy the game because you've read the lore. You've read the lore because you enjoy the game.
Standard alt experience:
1) level to cap
2) learn how the class works on a dummy because I just spammed arcane blast the ENTIRE time I was levelling the character in dgns
thats why i like xiv, you elarn the skill loops as you level up, and its naturally added into your rotation and muscle memory
@any1alive that's what happens in classic wow but retail is so fast
the guy with 300 hours of playtime finally arriving to the point of "I still feel like a new player" was pure magic to watch
One of the dumbest chatters I've seen, but at least he learned.
watching them come to the realisation on their own (with minimal coaxing) was a +1
@@Apercu nah man that wasnt a dumb one, just one that felt like the shortcomming of the game was their "fault"... lots of people dont understand that, wow is just bloated but they dont know HOW bloated it is. how could they...
Classic
The game has been adding content for 20 years, at some point you have to admit that it will take a while to "get" the game when that's the case. 300 hours, while borderline, is quite there in the "new wow player" department. Imagine how many hours of that were just leveling? The guy seems to only have 5 man heroic achievements, which you can do that in the first days of being max level. But that's about it. He probably spent some time collecting stuff like pets and mounts because that's appealing, but doing that won't teach you much about the game. So I think it's totally fair if he considers himself a new player. But sure, he's not a complete newbie, just very green.
The monotone "man...I'm gonna go lay down" hit fucking home
I remember when I first started out playing vanilla WoW, I ignored a lot of the quests, I went around, beating mobs, pushing the boundaries, finding the boundaries and later when I came to grasp the game and the leveling experience I came back to explore the quests.
I thought I'd been different after getting used to MMOs and such games, no, that's my go to with many games, it's how I started with GW2 and FF14 (kudos for GW2 that's basically designed to promote that gameplay), it's why I like sandbox RPG games like Skyrim and so forth. Let me faff about and be punished for doing it if so, but my attention when I first get a toy is not to read almost all instructions first.
When I got a lego set as a kid (and heck would do the same today) I'd look at the box, look at all the piece, try figure it out myself, sit at the first page for a bit, slowly explore what comes next. This is more equivalent to "Okay here's the lego set, now look through every page first before you get to do anything". Nobody does that unless they're curious, but as a tutorial it's way too much, you'll just have the person be forced to go back and have to redo it to remember.
This is why the tiny tutorial WoW has doesn't help. Get rid of it and have the tutorial stretched out all the way to max level, and then continue the tutorial for max level, cause that's how slow it should be and that's how much info you need to take in. Let the player learn inbetween the steps.
"I hope Blizzard watch this video" and when they do they'll probably say "What a toxic gamer..." and ignoring everything he's saying.
Yeah, sadly that might end up being the case.
Perma ban, for saying "shit, this is crazy!"
...and day9 was once on blizzards payroll :D
I like how everything that is not aligned with your mindset is toxic, racist, oppressing.....
@@myself342 And I like how randos on the internet are unable to comprehend a simple written text.
I dunno if the young'n know how much of a GOAT Day9 is. This dudes starcraft era was golden age.
man I miss funday monday
@@JestaultSteinkeKachuik
I remember one of those weeks, it was moving our command center at the beginning of the game to a random spot xD
And when the other player scouts out, they end up being "wtf, where is he??"
ah yes, back when he used to have hair
The Day9 Dailies were the fucking best. Nothing has replaced Funday Monday for me. His SimCity phase was also hilarious.
I still think of his explanation on what micro is.
That reminded me of an important concept used in books, but for some reason often forgotten in games : "Show don't tell".
Make us understand the world through gameplay don't regurgitate a long ass story we aren't emotionally attached to youre game yet.
Well it really shows us the evolution of our mediums
First we had tell, which comes from our written literature.
Show don't tell came from theater, sculpture and painting and permeated through their evolution
But gaming has something better a new layer. Play don't show. Make a player discover the world/story/mechanics of the game themselves to make them more than just an observer. It makes you more engaged and invested. It knits together communities of individuals helping each other along. It encourages experimentation and exploration.
This is where retail wow fails it was so concerned with giving everyone the same experience it sucked out all the joy and fun from the game.
@@NameIsDoc I couldn't have said it better, I completely agree.
You mean in movies, right?
Because how are they going to "show, don't tell" in books? With drawings? Lmao
@@alexrodrigues4775 instead of explaining it they have a character interact with it.
@@alexrodrigues4775 You must be trolling.
My girlfriend played wow classic before trying retail, she made and lost countless character in hardcore and she was never angry.
The day she tried Retail, SHE CRIED out of frustration and told me : it feels nothing like classic and its so convoluted its not fun at all !
Also the time walking mechanic is broken because after grinding to 50, her gear was so bad, mobs just one shot her but when she made another character without time walker, no problem.
In Classic you get trusted with simple tasks after showing you can do a super-simple task. Then they get progressively more complex. In Retail, you show up and you are right in the middle of all the end-game drama.
And dont forget you are extremely special!
"Following the little marker on the map until you're max level" is about the best condensed description of WoW's leveling I've ever seen. Then all of a sudden you're level 70 with 23 required keybinds that you have zero idea how to use.
Before they made DK's starting lvl to 8, you could for an expansion(idk which i don't play WoW that much), make a DK without needing a lvl 55 char before hand, and you started at 55 with like 20 abilities... I wanted to play a DK for so many damn years, but i could never get myself to lvl 55 to play him, the highest i ever gotten in the past was lvl 33. After like an hour or 2 of trying DK straight at lvl 55, i gave up.
Until Shadowlands made DK's starting lvl 8, and then i got it, and spent a few hundred hours into chromie's Wrath of the Lich King time walking, and a starter edition as well once my sub went out.
I went trough what D9 went trough, about 10x times... it's so bad... i have no problem playing classic and hardcore and keep starting as human at Northshire, but that island and BFA is just... doing BFA questing once is fine, it has some cool lore if you are a Warcraft lore lover like me, but to be thrust in the middle of army of Wow expansions's lore... lol... It's probably like trying to play a final fantasy game without ever playing 1x before(i've never).
@@kiloneie "It's probably like trying to play a final fantasy game without ever playing 1x before"
Tbh playing Final Fantasy makes no sense even if you do play the games.
Took me longer to find out how to play after lvl 70, than actually reaching lvl 70. And I still don't know 100%, I ended my subscription, life's too short
@@JarthenGreenmeadowit isn’t really supposed to make sense as one cohesive story.
FF is basically an anthology
y man leveling became way to boring in that game and thats why u don't see new players
"Stay a while and li - Oh, hes gone".
Why change something so perfect, blizz?
Not only its hard for new players, its also hard for WoW players that took a two expansions break and when they come back absolutely anything makes sense anymore. I cannot get into retail. I played dragonflight campaign, which was nice, but when i reached the endgame and started doing some dungeons and raids, i started getting currency which i have no idea whats for. My bags were full of stuff that i didnt know what were for. Nothing in the game would explain to me.
NPC : " That actually reminds me of who lived in that castle , so 500 years ago .. "
Underrated lore rant
It's crazy how many writers these days think lore = story
@@amuro9624 People keep hyping up lore and belittling things that don't have much of it. So yes I think writers are misinterpreting the masses. Or better yet are filtering out the wrong ones within those masses.
@@amuro9624 Worldbuilding is awesome when it's bits of lore scattered here and there that you come across not giving it much thought but it registers in the back of your mind and you gradually build a big image of the world you're in. Having to sit through hours of info dumps isn't lore though, it's exposition and it's boring as hell. Many people/writers forget that it's not how much lore you have for the world they're creating but how intertwined into the immediate actions of the MC it is and what doses it's given in.
Fun fact Day9 is the first person with a sub button on twitch
I used to give him my free prime sub every month for like 4 years lol. Love Day 9
he suggested it and twitch hardcoded it on his page lmao
Isn't reckful responsible for the donation-button?
Day9 has been on Twitch since before it was Twitch. It used to be Justin[.]tv, and it wasn't really meant for gaming content.
Day9 really paved the way for the streaming industry. You had a few people just streaming them playing the game with very little interaction. Day9 was the first to really make a show out of it and draw significant amounts of viewers. He really is the OG. Respect.
@@profanemagic5671reckful is responsible for donations i think.
What happened to the race starting areas?
They could always have an UI system that changes color if you are in the level you are supposed to be in regards to the verticality. That would be a cool way of solving that issue. If your diamond is green you are on the stratum you are supposed to be
Day9 is the best, absolute legend. Only content creator I know of who not only disproved of bobby kotick and blizzard in the recent era, but ACTUALLY said nope i'm done playing their games until he's gone and followed through with it.
S tier
Grandmaster tier
@@spinky342 day9 daily used to be almost a ritual. Get off work>dinner>day9daily.
DAY 9 man, has been around since the dawn of E Sports, beating Artosis in WCG 2005 Starcraft 2 Tournament, to casting, to day 9 daily's on SC2... yes he has been around a while The man is a ESports legend.
It was pretty cool to see him alive after like 10 years
Man he got fuking old. I got fucking old. 😭
Feels like just yesterday when we learned about the plane jack
Can't forget hearthstone after that. Dude just kept going
He has my favorite esports quote of all time: if your opponent is doing some weird shit, just kill em
idk what all that reading is about but i never played alliance. on horde side you go to aztech land, walk up the stairs, set up your base, pick your first of the 3 areas to explore, go there and instantly start killing stuff. you don't interact with any characters except the princess, the king, and like the flight path guy to fly to where you want to go. if you pick the first place as your aztechplace your first mission is beating up locals that dont like the king its great.
16:44 Eve Online looks stunning now, recent update to space phenomena and clouds etc. You should take a look
10:00
“This isn’t a fictional movie, this is my life and I’m still confused”
I felt that.
Everybody is confused, whenever a new information comes along that changes every little connection in one's brain.. children can handle that easily, adapt and let go - until...
Day9 is one of the most underrated streamers of all time. He was a pro Starcraft player with his brother, he has a wholesome learning atmosphere like Thor from Pirate software. Dude has been around for years teaching gamers how to play better and improve their life outside of the game. Glad to see he's getting some more recognition in 2024 because the SC2 scene wouldn't have been the same without him.
He also did pretty well in hearthstone tbf
He really looks like a boring boomer
Day9 is a nice guy but seriously 50% of his content is just game design lectures.
@@Fasertox What a weird comment
@@amyzonkers7568 I'm totally okay with this. Now I have to go watch his stuff.
300 hours and still feel like a new player wtf this is overwhelming - i have a job who has time for this
I SO remember having the exact same experience as this guy. 😂 I was so confused. I STILL AM! I was never a gamer, so went in pretty green. I'm basically just ignorant of a lot of WoW lore. Almost all of it. There's too much. I started during Shadowlands, which I liked btw. Probably because I had nothing to compare it to. I was compelled to try WoW after living through intense lockdowns in the UK during Covid. I didn't even know about a lot of end-game stuff until after getting constantly annihilated during duels in Goldshire. A young player asked me why I had no gear. I was like 'What do you mean?' All the gear I had was just stuff from questing. He started talking about gear level and I didn't even know what he was talking about. I had been playing for well over a year by then(!). And was mostly just flying around the different worlds because I didn't know what I was supposed to be doing after completing campaigns and stuff. He schooled me about PvP, I started to gear, and finally started playing the game. Might have been different had I known even *one* person in real life who played WoW who I could talk to about it, but I didn't. Still don't! 😂
In the full video, he goes from being called "new recruit" to Jaina calling him "champion" in a matter of minutes.
I love how the Taelia NPC always says "Finally time for some action" followed up with the next expostion dump :D
Hey Zach, what do you think of the idea of having a mock training environment to productively pass players through all lvls needed to reach end game in reasonable amount of time but also able to learn towards the characters end gameplay styles, while avoiding a storyline fiasco where you're trying to catch the player up on 20 years of WoW lore. I think instead it would be great to have in End Game, a mode to go back and "revisit the past" and complete a sped-up recreation of each past era, possibly earning achieves or cosmetics doing so. But an opportunity for players to establish themselves first, and then maybe go explore content and storyline afterward as extra content if they are interested in the storyline and at the pace they are ready to absorb new story information. This would take some "recalibrating" of past seasons content, but if they are really serious about new players not sharing this man's experience, they might consider it... I know many older players might also like opportunities to go back and have a good fun way to explore content we may have skipped over during the many expansions or simply don't remember that well. Maybe it's a stupid idea, but I think it would also quench a little classic era nostalgia for each expansion. Do we really need to keep adding to the story endlessly or can we maybe make something fun with what we have already and see how that works. 99% of players don't know the whole WoW lore well enough to be mad about a recap if done in a fun and entertaining way.
23:10 I always think of Bioshock. You can listen to the recordings and play at the same time.
"People just keep trusting me with information and handing me guns to shoot at barrels" 😂
😂
the starting zones in classic look so perfect in comparison, progression was maybe slow af but way more engaging
the progression is natural, it's so well done that it's hard to even tell it's there. You kind of feel like you're creating your own progression, that's the magic of it
@@adamb1593 I suddenly realized my mage was lvl 24 the other day. I coulda sworn he was only 20. I'm just getting levels here and there I guess.
Yes it is so straightforward!
funny thing is it didn't use to matter that the beginning was slow. That was the game. Hitting stuff until it dies. Now everyone has some obsession with getting to "end game content" which wasn't even really a term people used back in the day because the end of a game was typically when it became boring.
And rewarding... I remember obtaining my first golds or blue Item! And I'm not talking about the times long gone, but last week in SoD!
The retail feels like everything is handed out to you too quickly.
I've never done the new starting zone path I just go to the original starting zones and start farming and questing from there.
Edit: Since I play solo, I mainly explore around the game while I level. I've been playing off and on since '08/'09 with different characters but started playing more when I bought BFA expansion and it came with 1 level boost then I stopped for awhile and just started back in again a month ago.
As an actual new player as well, this is my first month of subscription on retail and have never played classic, this video makes me feel much better about my experience. And as far as your comment about new players "bouncing" bc of overload, I can agree with that. If not for my brother, who finally convinced me to get the game, literally walking me through and showing what to do I would have long been gone.
personally i started with a friend that was a long time player. he just pushed me to lvl, i had no idea what was going on or why we are doing anything. all dungeons everyone were just speeding ahead, there was nothing to to feel good about completing them. it actually felt even wore knowing you are leaving 80% of content behind just to play the latest expansion...
Yeah. I feel like the magic of WoW can only really be experienced when you basically ignore what you're supposed to be doing and just take your time to explore a zone, imagine whats been going on there, get acquainted with the characters that live there, etc.
@@Nicholas1994 not really ignore what you are supposed to do. the developer and the game itself doesnt want you to rush through everything get geared and run m+ and raid. the developer themselve love people that go discover things and take time with the story. the feeling you get that you are supposed to play another way comes from the community that only plays for efficiency and then m+ rating or raid progress.
to be fair even if i would start playing on my own ( i started in leagion ond dropped out) it would send me to legion quests quite early on after making a caracter. there would be no difference to me if a friend pulled me there or the game. as a noob if you just do random quests or the one that look like main ones, it will just send you to latest expansion and skip the rest@@Phyrexon
day 9 is a legend. loved his starcraft/starcraft2 contents. use to watch him every night after school 2010s when sc2 was popping off.
I cant play retail because i wasnt there for all the expansions and changes, so i have the hardest time trying to farm things like mounts, because sometimes i cant figure out how to get to the dungeon, or what "time" it exists in, etc. Too much has been added and its too overwhelming and confusing
Same I don’t know where anything is 😂
When I began wow in 2007 I was instantly pulled in by the plains of Mulgore. The simple quests, the music, the atmosphere, the sense of scale and wonder of the world. I cannot imagine finding that same love as new player now being thrown into the disaster of what this game has become for a newcomer.
My experience as a new player since last week:
Premise: I played wow on and off from 2011 to 2017. I didn’t play a lot and I never maxed any character. I did some quests, some dungeons, didn’t know anything about rotation, add ons, etc. In total during those 7 years I played something like 50 hours in total which in wow is very little.
So I decide to pick it up last week. I am so confused.
Lvl 1-10 is on exile’s reach. I preferred the old intros but well, it is what it is.
From lvl 10 to lvl 50 I am sent to Zandalar (as a blood elf) and people call me a champion even if I can barely remember to engage with shadow word pain before using the other dmg spell I forgot the name of.
I don’t learn anything, I never die, even if I suck, I spam my abilities to mobs that do nothing and gather stuff.
I slowly start understanding the story behind the princess etc, and I try to keep it simple by only following the story quests, not any other side quest.
By doing that, I get called to Orgrimmar: cool! We are fighting the alliance, Sylvanas is our war chief, I understand the story!
BAM! A video that explains nothing precedes me being in a weird world with some alliance characters, all to fight sylvanas, our common enemy… what?
I level from 50 to 60 now, in a boring world of which I understand nothing. No background story, nothing. 75% of it is indeed dialogue about something I don’t care about. I hit lvl 60 by going back to orgrimmar, and running a few dungeons because I was so bored of those quests…
In the dungeons ofc everyone rushes and I’m completely useless. Wouldn’t I have been there it would’ve been exactly the same thing. By the time I arrive running to the end people already are leaving. “Bb” said the most polite guy in the party. I got exp tho.
Now guess what? It’s dragon island time! Will they explain anything? Will I understand why and how I got there? What’s the background? Who am I? We will see
Well, at least you made it to the current expansion which will last till the end of the year when the new expansion comes out. Just forget any story that has happened so far, as you're starting brand new with a new story in the dragon isles. With that said, at end game the story is irrelevant. The goal there is to push mythic+ dungeons and clear the raids at the highest difficulty level you can to keep gearing up. That alone is fun for the majority of WoW players regardless of story. Once The war within comes out, then we'll all be on the same playing field and starting from zero and you'll be all caught up.
Cry about it
Oh my gosh! I started playing in August for the first time and I had a similar experience. I loved Zandalar, and the alliance side (later after a month of horde) I was enjoying the story and following a long. I felt like I was getting good at the game, then they forced me into space? With this demon looking guy with horns. I don’t remember his name because I didn’t get to finish the story and now was in space and was so mad. I didn’t want to be there. I didn’t play for a week. But managed to stick with it. Somehow made it to dragon flight, and I loved it! That was really so much fun but super overwhelming. I didn’t know what I should do immediately or what could wait. I somehow have two level 70s! Im super proud of that, but now I struggle with what to do about end game stuff. I am super shy and scared to do dungeons because everyone goes so fast and I don’t know what to do. So I feel like people are mad at me. Also, I don’t have a guild either so I can’t raid. I want to though. Also I want to do mythic stuff but again don’t know how and I’m scared of people getting mad at me. I studied my rotation and I feel like I have it down but yeah just don’t want to get in with a bad group. So I’m kinda just chilling until the panda thing in May that he talked about last week. That seems fun! And then of course the next expansion. But I do love the game just need to find some good people for more end game stuff.
@@briannereese Don't be affraid of going into dungeons. If u tell players that you are new they will be very kind and will give you lots of tips. Wow community is one of the chillest i know (i play league, cs go, rocket league) and everytime i need help with something there is always someone that will do it even tho he has nothing to win from it.
How the dungeon thing works: first you do it on normal so you can learn the map and mechanics(at the start of every expansion this is fun cuz players try to figure out how to do it right), then you do heroic wich is kinda the same thing but a little harder and THEN you get to the real deal: mythic and mythic+--> players really expect you to have a basic understanding of what ur rotation is and what to do and if someone dies you can actually feel the impact of it.
You don t need a guild to do raids, you can go to raidfinder to queue like for dungeons and it s the same story but from heroic you can look up for a group and do it.
Mythic raiding is very challenging and only a small percent of the totat playerbase actually manages to beat the last boss on mythic difficulty.
It s very easy to find guilds, there is a menu dedicated to searching guilds. Also i remember when i had no guild on my new character in dragonflight that i was spammed with guild invites while staying in valdrakken.
One thing is for sure: classic was more focused on the social aspect and having a guild and friends helped u a lot. In retail ofc it will help you to have friends, but it's not necessary, things can be done alone with random people almost as easy.
Dont worry, Im a somewhat experienced player in wow and I didnt understand shadowlands either
"When I do get to actually get to play the game?"
"You don't."
Day9 basically got the full WoW experience.
dude it's a feeling i had with many new games lol
He should try JRPGs. New tutorials even 38 hours in.
My friends talked me into trying out wow. I played 20 hours of wow classic and felt like "Ok... When am I suppose to start having fun?". "All of my friends: It gets better, you gotta get further in the game." they would say that every 3-4 hours. Couldn't take it anymore. uninstalled.
its even the same in Raids. He can call himself a veteran
It gets good after you hit max level, maybe.
2:52 Asmon's description is why I like Souls games. Chatty NPCs are few and far between, the bosses rarely say anything, and you never have to interact with lore and background if you don't want to.
The last guy is me, I finished Warcraft 3 and FT, followed WoW unable to play until I finally could (BFA) the game felt overwhelming (played many mmorpgs before, Aion, Shaiya, GW, Tera, etc) came back on Shadowlands, felt the same, but when classic came out I was happy, the game started to make sense, the progress felt good, had to stop playing because of college and work, came back for Lich King, got to join my first guild and did my first run on a raid (Nax, amazing) had to stop again and with that base finally felt like I was ready to take on retail, Dragonflight felt way better after my whole experience in classic, but even after doing raids, pvp and M+ there is still a lot of stuff that I didn’t know and people treated me like a noob/new player, so I totally understand the guy on the video and the last guy who talked with Asmon... if it’s your first character you should star from the bottom, leave the BFA and TimeWalking start for alts of people who already know what’s going on!
In Helldivers 2, you watch 1 cinematic, do a 5 Min tutorial, and you just learn the rest of the game by dying.
Yea but, you experience the entire game in just the first 15 minutes. It’s a very shallow game.
@@AlgaeEater09sounds like you didn't get past the 3rd difficulty
@@AlgaeEater09elden ring
Yes compare a coop service game with a mmo.
Next we will compare dave mirra bmx on the ps1 to call of duty or pillars of eternity
@@thefarkoss Neat.. whats new after the 3rd difficulty? Oh, nothing? That's what I thought. Just more of the exact same.
They really need a full experience option for leveling. Takes you from expansion to expansion at reduced experience. Even add in quests that would lead you to the old raids but tuned down for a solo adventurer. That way the new player would get a better understanding of what took place prior to the current expansion. The only issue is the world change from Cataclysm.
lol turn an mmo into a single player game. people really want everything besides an mmo
Absolutely. I totally agree. Keep the beginner areas of WoW and let the players grow from there, that way they understand everything that has happened in the game. I tried the difference of classic retail and exile retail for beginner areas. I much more enjoyed the classic. However, I noticed that the quest chain is now broke and the areas of leveling are as well. It has been dumbed down so much you can basically level from 1-20 in any area in Azeroth or Kalimdor. Its TOO easy.
So basically ff14 but dungeons that have new players get an xp boost and the roulette mechanic makes doing old dungeon content doable because there are a lot of people that queue up.
@@im1085 What they described is basically FF XIV, works for them.
@@AdamTuxTengler yea the thing is WoW fans are the biggest ffxiv haters even though they clearly crave that kind of game
I went through his same scenario. As soon as I could, I found the boat to Stormwind and went to Elwin Forest to level. I don’t remember how I got the information to do that.
leverling up used to be part of the learning and gave you all the time you need to learn and intergrate each new skill you gained but now its just hey lets just throw a millian spells into your UI from day 1
They did all these "interactive" quests like shooting from an air ride, or interacting with "fun" objects, because people were complaining about killing boars or killing mobs to get quest items. Turns out, kill or fetch quests are 10 times better than those "interactive" quests.
Mm. I think the intention was to teach new players as many different mechanics and mini-games that they will encounter in the game as possible, but what ended up happening was that its just too overwhelming, and it turns out the slower pace was better. It would be interesting to see player retention rates based on what year they started playing.
they idea is good...if it only happened like 1 in 50 quests.
I prefer side quests and fetch and fighting over mini games, I loathe minigames
He brought up such a good point. Too many games start off with you being locked in cutscenes constantly when all that information should be spread naturally into quest dialogue across the gameplay and in collectable lore pieces. Constant tutorial windows are also a sign of poor game design.
yep. I don't play those games. The in-game tutorial is trash. Learn or die. It's that easy.
I have a genuine question. Ive only ever played retail, started BfA. I was a fan and still play retail.. Would I benefit from trying out Classic? I played it once, but have never gotten far..
I started WoW last year and I really loved it, i grinded a hunter and Demon Hunter to level 70 and worked on some lower level guys like the druid etc. Once I got to level 70 and end game stuff its where it fell off for me coz I have no friken idea what to do now with the dungeons and the mythics and all that jazz.
When Cataclysm revamped the leveling zones I had a lot of fun... then I made a new character and realized just how awful everything was. It's like those amusement park rides where you sit down and go through like a pirates cove. There's no sudden drops, high speeds, it's just the experience of the scenery around you, an on-rails story that you cannot speed up or skip past. Eventually I was practically begging "Please, please just let me collect 10 bear asses, please ju- I WANT TO PLAY THE GAME"
Apparently it's only gotten worse since then.
Honestly, I imagine this is part of what people wanted from classic, and not just that, I think people also preferred the quest design that didn't wait for you. Like the Kolkar quest in Barrens, the Onyxia quest in Stormwind, things would happen in the world regardless of if the player was ready for them, or even involved in the first place. Game felt like more of an actual world back then (I never returned to WoW after the Blitzchung and Reforged disasters, so classic is still "Back in the day" to me.)
This is exactly my experience. The first time in Cata things were so streamlined and efficient, I didnt realize that it felt like an amusement park ride. Once I leveled an alt I realized the flaws of that system of leveling. There are certainly some improvements that can be made to Vanilla, but that style is a much better MMO experience. The themepark constant cutscenes is just not good especially for storytelling. As Day9 experienced, 25% of the time was actual fighting and control of his character, where as in Classic it's nonstop controlling your character which gives it an actual world feel.
Some zones were better, some zones were a lot worse. Generally yeah the zones with a lot of railroaded gimmick gameplay were awful.
I'm glad the figured out in Mists that putting multiple quest hubs in a zone that the player can do in any order (all optional) is better - and of course focusing on the actual gameplay of your class. I haven't played since Mists so I can only hope and assume they kept that design model mostly.
New player experience:
1) get literally thrown on tutorial island where you do a bunch of random inconsequential things.
2) get thrown in the second to last expansion and get a whole lot of inane exposition that builds on literally decades of lore that you will never experience and will never matter in the future.
3) cut the storyline short as soon as you reach base level for current expansion...
Really a great new player experience.
This.
Also get treated like a god king savior while level 10 with green gear and is literally fresh of the boat.
Level squishing was a terrible idea, squishing IL and numbers would have been fine. But like 5 yrs ago I tried to play casually going throu each zone to learn the lore but enemies kept level scaling and thus why bother getting invested in the lore so I quit.
you can experience that lore though....?
What I think Blizz should do.
Keep the info bubbles on new features, and spells/abilities so they will know there is something new to take note of.
Transport new players, to the starting zone of their choice, and progress as they want. Instead of bfa.
Have a new players tab where veterans can join and help with questions if needed. (Like Final Fantasy 14)
Put another option in the dungeon finder, specifically for new players. Call it "run for starters" Since dungeons are a veteran's unofficial "Mythic+ Dungeons" who will just blitz through as quick as possible. At least with a full group on new players they can get lost and figure it out together.
Provide no XP boosts for new players, until they complete the story line for that zone on one character, so that way if they want to run another character through that zone it will be quicker.
Completed Duskwood? Have an xp boost, haven't completed Northern Stranglethorn Vale? No xp boost.
I’m a returning player. Hadn’t played since WOTLK when I was a kid.
It’s been hard lol
I want to love WoW, but coming back to retail really did give me whiplash
I play Horde, any time I logged onto an Ally alt in BFA I got soooo lost in Boralus. Beautiful city, could not navigate it.
Yep, tried getting into retail as a first time player a year ago, the game's quests sent me through literal portals into new dimensions that I didn't know how to get back from all while throwing a billion pieces of irrelevant disjointed bits of story information at me, it was such confusing mess. Then I tried classic and was like 'oh I get this now' and I actually had fun getting into the rhythm of the gameplay and picking up little pieces of the story from the quest NPC's
oh man I haven't seen day9 have a nice rant in a long time. this brings me back to the sc2 day9 daily days
I haven't played retail since cata. I had no idea retail was like this now. It's so confusing lmfao
Watching this really hit on how I've felt about the game since BfA, at the very least. I started playing WoW at the end of Cata, April 2012. Over the years, when I've seen people's comments about how the game [since Cata] was so super nerfed and easy in comparison to Vanilla, I admit to being confused. When I played Classic WoW vs what I remember about my experience in Cata, it was very similar: still had a talent tree even if it was gutted, I still died to things (it was my first pc game and MMO ever, unless you count the Hoyle's card games I used to play on my mom's IBM Tandy using 5' floppies), and had a grand old time exploring. Looking at mechanics, Classic/Vanilla were actually very low compared to mechanics now in retail. The difference I noticed was that the mechanics in Vanilla/Classic were more punishing; you had to be much smarter about resource use, when to pot and use consumables in between pulls, etc. So knowing how to play the game, basically. The last retail expansion in which I went hard and fast was in Legion, particularly raiding and M+ keys, to the point of burn-out. My M+ team and I decided to take a break & regroup for BfA. Except most of us either didn't come back or came back at staggered times when others were resting, so we never really reformed. None of us liked BfA anyway. I, too, got lost looking for Cyrus' office. I too was bored to tears by the whole interaction at 21:30. So just afk'd throughout most of BfA. Moving on to Shadowlands, that was the first expansion where I got to max level and just felt lost. I knew several other people in my guild who felt the same way. Like, what now?? And then took a long break in that expansion as well. Came back to Dragonflight to find a bunch of flower-smelling, rainbow-hugging hippies and dumbed-down dragons running the show. What? I remember the scene in Northrend where Alexstrasza puts the whole hot mess scenario of the Wrathgate to the life-flame. I thought, wow, what a powerful dragon coming in to save the day even if it was bitter-sweet. In Dragonflight, I felt no awe, no connection to nor interest in her; she felt weak and uninteresting, totally lame. So, I went back to Classic or leveling alts through what's left of gutted Vanilla content in retail. I realized something as I progressed through both: I think that a large part, aside from difficulty (aka grindfest and time it took to kill things) and community of Vanilla, what people loved also is that the quests were often amusing. They contained sarcastic and dry/wry humour, references to pop culture either of the time or even past times which people still remembered. There were no fuzzy feelings and unnecessary relationship tmi dumped in. You just did your thing and had some laughs along the way (the "Rambo" questline, the "Dumas" questline, as examples). Also, what I didn't know until I played Classic, the super foggy and eerie ambience of Western/Eastern Plaguelands. It was creepy. Even at that, I remember feeling creepy feelings when I started in Cata, in certain areas. That's all gone now. There's no ambience, no mystery, no trepidation of going the wrong way - nothing. It's become very one-dimensional and lackluster in depth, and convoluted in systems. I agree with others' comments about the value of requiring new players to go through retail in expansion-progressive order so things make some semblance of sense and you PLAY THE GAME, not listen to hippies talking about flowers and giving gruff old men handshakes. As someone with an army of alts, I thought the new player intro island and successive dumping into BfA content was illogical and outright nonsensical. If I, as a player of WoW for 12 years[ish], feel that way, I can't imagine a poor new player suffering through this maze of "What the literal -- is going on here??"
During my playthrough of the Dragonflight I got the main quest with the cutscene where Vyranoth was already good, and then I get the quest where she's still bad and is just up to join our side. Like what the hell
great example why wow sucks ! thanks
I'm a middle age keyboard smasher. I've been playing games since I dno't know when, and the 'sensory overload' comment you made was bang on. I needed this video, I thought I was crazy.
I remember back when I played WOW, i read all the damm quest logs. Untill a buddy told me he just skippeds everything to get back to game play. I did end up with some crazy trinkets because of reading everything.
Just coming back to WoW from multi-year hiatuses is hard enough. I can't imagine being a brand new player. I also didn't understand most of the lore in this video either, and I played basically every expansion from Wrath to Legion.
New player 300+ hours into the game was wild. I don’t want to try wow anymore
just play classic or season of discovery it’s a lot more simpler.
retail is really only for players that have been playing for 10+ years unfortunately :(
It sounds ridiculous, but I'm not sure that it's actually bad. Maybe this just means that the game has more than 300+ hours of content, and this "new player" guy has a lot to strive for.
I remember feeling the same way in Wrath and Cataclysm. It was fun in a certain way.
@@bogdanleviits not all that bad asmon just makes points against the game and his stupid fans take it as he hates the game and they parrot his talking points. There is valid criticism in this video tho, i never knew exiles was required for new players and learning that BFA is required as well is insane. People are saying this guy should play classic instead because he cant find a quest NPC as if finding quest objectives isnt infinitely harder in classic
@@bogdanleviBrother, I don't care how much content a game has, if you're 300 hours in and still feel like you don't know what you're doing, that's bad.
If I put 300 hours into a game, I'd better be an expert by then, why would I invest that much time into a game just to still feel like a noob.
@@J-AngelShifter well, that can't be a baseline expectation with any game that has a competitive side to it.
300 hours is nothing in league, starcraft, chess or any other such game, nor in the speedrunning community. Unless you have a coach or follow guides right from the start, you will be generally worse at 300 hours than the people who put 10000 hours into the game. It is what it is.
With coach/guides it's a different story. If you start WoW with a clear goal in mind of doing high-end content, and practice for it, you'll be parsing well in mythic raids within a couple of months.
Day9 went bald before Asmongold. Truly a dark timeline.
Day9 went bald before Tasteless, that's extra fucked.
Fun fact, he went bald on his second day of playing WoW classic!
@@TheThewhatnow Who wouldn't? One level takes 4 hours.
@@AkiRa22084that’s like 27 days in dog time
I belive he lost a bet recently.
I really enjoyed the indie metroidvania La-Mulana because of this. It just drops you in the game and then you figure out the systems little by little through exploring the world, it's a very refreshing difference to modern gamedesign and its focus on handholding the player all through the way.
I had the same problem finding that office after returning several months ago after being away for 12 years.
day9 is a triple OG
Day9 is truly an OG streamer. I think I remember him saying once that every streamer account on Twitch gets a number based on when they registered.#1 is a twitch staff account, #2 is Day9.
He suggested a sub button, so they hardcoded one into his page SPECIFICALLY.
I quit wow during mop, came back for classic relaunch. If you start the retail storyline from the tutorial it automatically takes you into the battle for azeroth expansion. I didn't know Chromie existed until later. It is a lot.
Sure there is a Chromie quest, but things are new, interesting, and I want to explore the world I've been away for so long. Chromie was on the back burner for a while.
This video was amazing lol…. I was raiding in my guilds top server in 2006 and we got server first on C’Thun pre-bc and then I had to quit. When I logged into retail last week I had not a fraction of a clue wtf was going on, and zero patience to figure it out.
Day9 usually has very based takes on games, and has a ton of experience with all kinds of games, so this isn't surprising that he can peg WoW for exactly the abomination it is.
My wife started playing wow with the release of Classic. This man's comments are the same as those she made when she decided to try retail at the beginning of DF
Bro I loved bfa honestly for what it was. And the design of near every5hubt except the horde city 😆 but what this man experienced trying to find the headmasters office is exactly what happened to me and fairly often in new places in wow, and I've been playing since '09!
I want to add I was leveling one of my innumerable toons and got to 60 foolishly decided to finish up over there in BFA and do the zone invasion quest do 4 of these quests: kill a bunch of horde, kill another bunch of horde, or - kill this rare, or kill this pair of rares. My toon was in mismatched non optimized non enchanted gear and nobody else was in the zone and I hit the point where she just didn't have the gear to kill a rare for a quest solo. Back in the day you would have just sat there and waited for a couple other guys to show up and let's do this. In Chromie time there are hardly ever other guys out in the world away from the starting quests in the expansion. It felt really bad to be stuck at something that would have been doable in normal progression back when the expansion was live, and now it's just a tattered framework being used because it's still there and there has to be something that it's still good for. The theory that every expansion that has ever existed should be compressed into some horrific chopped-up theme park ride that deposits you in the Dragon Isles - and next expansion, into somewhere else, woo hoo - this isn't working if it ever did.
Imagine being a new player going through every expansion in the intended pacing they had at the release. For me, it would be a dream come true. I always feel I miss something leveling nowadays.
In Classic WoW, it was still a viable option to grind level and ignore most quests, which was how we used to level in MUD's before UA and WoW. Some people even leveled in PvP, in Classic WoW. Blizzard made sure to end that because the devs were butt-sore that people were skipping content.
I’ll always remember blasting through 50-55ish doing Alterac Valley boss rush. Good times.
You can still grind in retail, but they just made quests actually worth it unlike in classic.
Do you not value your free time at all? Or do you have too much of it?
@@xekon14 Kinda.
Xp from BGs was not a thing in Classic or TBC, it was added in WotLK.
This reminds me of the time when I learned how to play Baldur's Gate 2 for the first time, learning about the D&D rules which were massively overwhelming at first
thinking of starting wow with my friend should I play classic or the newer one
Classic. Retail is for those with experience
I tried to play retail wow for like a week, like 3 hours a day. Literally no knowledge going in. Genuinely the worst new player experience of any game I’ve ever played. Never had a fucking clue what quests I was supposed to be doing, just felt completely lost and aimless.
Old mmorpgs had no tutorial,read instructuons😂
@@raduradu334
This is y they don't improve the new player experience
They listen to ppl like u
And that's not even completely true
MMO players wear suffering like a badge of honor I swr and its sad
@@raduradu334 you didn't start in old MMOs with 20 different buttons. The first few hours of the game were the tutorial.
Also, old MMOs had a lot of bad design as well, just a different type of bad design.
Then you must be pretty simple.
i started a few weeks ago and its very easy...not hard to differentiate between campaign and side quests
Yooo wait this was the first time Day9 played retail WoW? that's wild. I remember watching some of his Hearthstone and StarCraft 2 vids, he's super charismatic and cool. I rewatched his Antechamber playthough recently, it was awesome.
I can imagine that when I inevitably return to WoW retail after a 10 year break, there's going to be tons that I don't understand anymore even after spending 7-8 years playing it. Probably every single game mechanic has changed and there are tons of new features that I'll probably learn at endgame when someone wonders why I haven't spend points in some random window that can increase your strength by massive amounts. Or there are some trinkets to increase your equipment that you've never even heard of.
I agree totally on the learning of the abilities on playing the game, as in classic or the original i played you learned an ability and had a couple of levels to get used to playing that. Now it all seems a mass overload in retail for a new comer to the game :(
"Goldfish attention span"
You didn't see him enjoying the process of reading through quest dialogue in WOW Classic just the week before
Is almost as if he's emotionally invested in one era of the game and almost comically deterrent of anything that is not from that era.
@@MrOPD Because classic got him invested? he has no nostalgia because he never really played wow
Goldfish attention span is indeed unfair. He was very clear in Classic that he liked reading with the point of figuring out where to go. It was part of the gameplay, as it was part of figuring things out. Retail reading is a lot of references to names that have no context to what you're doing. It's just a list of jargon.
In classic, there's a guy named Marshal McBride who gives you a quest to kill wolves. That's 1 name you have to remember, and you know what wolved are. Then you get a quest for that. But you may not know where the wolves are. So you open the quest log and read the quest, and it tells you to look north of Northshire Abbey, another name. You open the map and you see the abbey on the map. Now you've found out what that is, and where to go. This is actual patience in action.
Retail is so hellbent on getting you to kill wolves NOW, with revealed maps and diamond markers, and BEFORE you go there it lore dumps you about names, dragons, history, whatever, none of which you have no context for.
Day9 is a very enfranchised player who used to be into esports. If the game confuses a guy like him, the game has problems.
@@MrOPD He has literally played neither game before these streaming sessions and knows nothing about the world except few names he picked up in Hearthstone.
The coping is real. Attention span issues for people nowadays being a thing is true but, you can't just blame everything on that. WoW retail's new player experience is absolutely dogshit (and arguably returning player and veteran experiences too)
@@Matisaha Besides, Day[9] played sc\sc2 for a loongest time and last 6 or 7 years he is slowly catching up on variety games, so there is no context, no nostalgia. PPL really should check his classic play through vod, he found that enjoyable enough.
Also he doesn't really criticize the game in this video, he just points out that he is thrown into the story he is supposed to care about, that is nether interesting by itself, have compelling presentation, or gives him access to anything but "click-read-listen-click-read-listen" for a 4 or 6 hours straight, like, it is not even a compelling or variable experience. He had, like, 3 solid gameplay hours out of 10 total, everything else was a filler, compared to classic, where everything comes in waay more organically (although content itself can be less meaningful on paper, it is still more compelling than just exposition dump of an interesting(?) story)
What’s funny to me is that, Iplayed WOW for the 1st ever last month. I didn’t want to buy that shit so I downloaded the trial version of the game and the part were is in the harbormasters office is exactly where I alt f4ed saying, “ I’m so lost, wtf is happening”. 😂
Same. I use to play a while back but haven't since like mists of pandaria. I just wanted to download the free version just to explore the capital cities and then suddenly I was on an island fighting ogres. I just wanted to explore thunder bluff, or storm wind city. I quit before I could find a way to skip it, is there no way?
The biggest Problem after watching the video is how to fix it.
Its literally a 20 year old game with soon 10 expansions.
Not like a game with no progress, but 20 years of constant updates, story continuation and so on.
HOW THE FUCK, are you supposed to tell a new player what the fuck is even going on.
Probably "go play classic first then come back later" ?
It doesnt matter where u throw them, they will be confused either way.
And if u give them an info dumb it leadds to the same as above, no gameplay.
But through gameplay?
Maybe do a short part of every expansions, let them see important moments until you reach current timeline.
But that would also throw you out of the mmo world
mhmmm
@@Maglarius95 They can do something with Chromie, who will take you through time and does some explaining. And yeah, it probably wouldn't be very exciting from gameplay perspective, but some amount of story dumps just have to be expected at this point. Day9 also wouldn't just skip everything if he felt like he's at the beginning of a meaningful story. He skipped everything, because they shoved him straight to the middle and he has no clue what's happening :D. And it wouldn't even be that long, because let's be honest ... they can drop 95% of all the text and you won't miss out on much. They just need to cover the major characters and events, that still have impact on the "present day" in WoW. You can for example skip the whole MoP by saying: "then, Garrosh died" :D. Literally doesn't matter what happened there :D.
@@mesaplayer9636 when you make your character, don’t choose Exile’s Reach as your starting zone. It’ll start you where you would normally go, depending on chosen race.
@@ICM9you can only choose the original starting zones if you've gone through Exile's Reach at least once
I’ve played all but the latest expansions. With all the amazing cinematics and all the massive events that have happened inside wow, I still have way more memories of the 2004 WoW. It actually challenged you and made you explore. Now you get info dumped, a pointer on a map and sometimes they even take you there so you don’t have to go through the world yourself. Could just make the open world one of those mobile auto-play games.
23:45 LOL I was about to say "I love how path of exile explains the story with narration that happens while you play and move about the world"
New player tutorial should be:
1. Introduce your chosen race and original starting zone (have them do a few quests until they hit major city)
2. Introduce the faction races (as they were in vanilla)
3. Automatically teleport to each races starting zone and finish 1 quest before teleporting to the next to get to know your allies
4. Explain to the player how expansions work
5. Introduce them to new TBC race of their faction
6. Bring them to the dark portal where they will start new expansion
7. 1 quest per zone for the new expansion explaining with one sentence each zone and awarding the player with ~1 level
8. repeat 5-7 for each expansion
9. drop them off in current expansion for the last 5-10 levels and say something like "we will leave you here in the current expansion, good luck"
NO LORE. New players dont give a shit. Give them context from a game play perspective so they know where they are and why, and what all the other places, races significance is. If they enjoy the game, they will seek out the lore.
The problem is that for example when you are watching Berserk for the first time and it's slow paced, people fighting for no reason, but then a huge ass demon appears for the first time and forsees the future, and then it's slow paced again - then you crave the lore and explanation for what are these demons and what are behelits, but when the creators shove crucial pieces of lore down your throat it is horrible
A mention of Berserk = a like from me.
Because it was made for people who already read the Manga. It omitted a lot of lore/characters to keep the anime a certain amount of episodes but the expectation was people knew the golden age arc already and could fill the gaps themselves. I feel bad for anybody who starts on the anime(s).
Exposition early on is there to set up the situation so you understand the story and context. Less is more. Should be short and sweet.
If it’s too complex simplify it and make it more complex next time.
The next thing to do is set up a compelling mystery. Hint at a secret but don’t give any answers.
The put the action up front then flash back is one thing done that accomplishes this.
The demon early on is the same. So many unanswered questions motivates you to read more.
Read the manga! Don't be lame
@@robr135 to the anime's credit though it IS good enough that it got people to immediately pick up the manga, while im not sure everyone picked up the manga straight from the beginning it becomes clear pretty quick the anime left some stuff out and people could backtrack if they wanted to. It was a net positive for the popularity of Berserk
Me and my buddy just started WoW a month ago. We started with SoD and are loving it, then a week ago we decided to make retail characters. I don't even feel like I'm playing a game or am engaged. Im just clicking the buttons they tell me to, I have no clue whats going on. The random places I get transported to and visit are so different from each other I don't even feel like I'm, playing the same game. Retail is a pain to play, and its the most over engineered thing to exist.
I'd say I'm a new player even though I started just before mist of pandaria because sure I played 100 hours then, but I didn't play again until a year ago and didn't keep any characters. I didn't remember any of the story the only thing I remembered was I got a dwarf hunter to 50 or whatever was required to make a death knight and stopped playing after. Most recently I played a tauren druid up to 50 and finished battle for azoroth to make the special troll or whatever the race is called
I don't know why, but the few times I've already seen the Day9 rant here, the only part that sticks to me and just makes me laugh out loud is the "theres a bunch of people here like 'you need to save my son'. 'Uaahhg you saved me you have to kill harpies now' "
Something I really dislike about retail WOW back when I went through it, storywise, is that everyone just IMMEDIATELY treats you like you're some godlike hero and it doesn't feel warranted at all, if anything it's off-putting. In RuneScape every NPC treats you like a random ass dude regardless of what you've done up to that point, unless its a direct questline. It makes sense, if you walk into a castle and just start chatting up the King than he's going to be pissed you just walked in there. And there's a reason why the quests are so memorable, because they don't just sweep you through 20 years of content and dump a ton of quest logs on you for you to actually understand what the fuck is going on 😂
That's really the same in vanilla WoW too. It's from Cata onwards that you get treated as a hero.
well, in the context of the plot, your character participated in all the events up to the current events, so he really is a demigod by this point
@@alexbg9287 The Legion expansion hits home with this, as by the beginning of that expansion, you're the literal leader of your character's profession(class), and is viewed by everyone as the best of the best of your class. After the expansion however, It's somewhat a shame for those who have played WoW since the beginning, as no one acknowledges you as a leader anymore past Legion. Although Darius Morgraine does call you Deathlord ONCE in Shadowlands if you're a DK.
@@erejnion I'd argue the game started to treat a player like a chosen one in WotLK, especially since the assault on Wrathgate.
@@Kresegoth Not really... the exclusiveness was certainly ramping up, but you were still far from the "chosen one". Patch 3.3 I think describes the attitude the best: the player is part of the champions that are conquering Northrend... but, like, there is still a wholeass tournament of such champions.
I skip exiles reach every time I roll an alt. I always pick the starter area for each race. I never start with BFA tried it a few times after finishing the BFA end game content on my main and I avoid it as long as I can lol.
35:00 i first actually played the game and not the demo first time in the end of BfA and i played for maybe 2 months, came back at Shadowlands launch and played for a month or 2, and then came back semi early dragonflight and played for a month or 2 again, i think im somewhat new but either way, i have tried classic but it is so much harder to get into than retail for me aswell and i would rather play retail any day of the week over classic
I think Blizzard should just drop brand new players into the OG starting zones. Then go through Azeroth until the current expansion. No Exile's Reach, no old expansion content. I think that would be a whole lot less overwhelming.
It would be less overwhelming, but it would take way longer to get to max level. This is exaclty the reason why they reset the max level, and the majority of the community thought it was a good decision at the time
They would get bored.
@@brunoxd151 leveling is the experience for a lot of people, having that adventure as rich as possible is necessary not a bad idea. It comes down to, should the game start at max level, or should the game be about the leveling? I think it's hard to have both without pissing at one type of gamer.
Blizzard should make 30min to an hour recap movies of each expansion, showing all cinematics and key stories points. It would allow someone who just wants lore and story to sit back and watch all the cinematics. I know kingdom hearts did this to help people understand the story so far. They could then rework the leveling experience and make it more action-packed. Imagine you go through each expansion through giant wars with your faction to level within each expansion. Each siege will give 5 to 10 levels. This can be done solo or queued up with friends. It will teach you game fundamentals, small lore, maybe even new lore with faction vs faction. It could also give transmog for each expansion as well. Once all the sieges are done, you should be ready to start the new expansion like normal.
I’ve been playing on and off since TBC 2007. That guy that said he was new literally has more mounts than me. I haven’t touched retail since BFA, skipped shadow completely, and then got 2 levels into dragonflight and haven’t touched it
Started wow back up, hadn’t played since 2016. Got dragonflight and a character boost. Big pvp’er btw, Used the boost on a disc priest, got full conquest gear and now feel very bored. Don’t want to level alt’s cause leveling sucks and just feels like a chore. So after about of moth of going hard on pvp I’m back to not really playing it.