I just completed I 5500km road trip from Oslo to Finnmark with a long, 8seater, Toyota Proace electric, identical car. My average consumption was 270wh/km. This with skibox, 8 persons and the car packed to maximum weight. From Bodø and home had an average of 260wh/km. I saw 220wh/kw in the hottest days with flat roads and almost 400wh/km the coldest days with rain and hilly roads. On motorways I use 320wh/km as reference and I used 300wh/km as worst case when I calculated my range. GOM seems to be more accurate below 50%, but only for lower speed around 80. It still optimistic for motorways.
Björn to your upcoming tests: In the Stellantis cars ECO mode limits the maximum motor power (60%) and the maximus climate power. Normal mode only limits the maximum motor power to 80%. There might be changes in newer software but for now I believe this is the case
I just got a new LWB one of these at an insane price in the UK (20k inc vat - supposed to be 52k 🤣) and I had to drive it back across England. I can confirm the motorway range at 9degrees was 170miles at 62mph (plus whatever buffer it has so maybe 180). Interestingly, the van shows as having 76kwh battery when connected to a rapid. So it seems the city range really will be 200+ miles. Very impressive coming from an ENV200.
This clearly proves that a van always is a top choice, or the thing to prefer above an suv that is way too big and lacking interior space at the same time.
Hei Bjørn . Takk for at du tester kassebil. I use the Toyota proace van electric at work. I have a 50 kWh batteri and it Works very well for me. And i love it . I work in Bergen Norway .
I also noticed (with my Zafira e-Life, which is a PSA sibling) that the max power is limited for a while (10-15 minutes) after fast charging (maybe due to limiting of heating of the batteries?). With full power available acceleration is decent (also from 80-130km/h) With power limited (ECO mode or just after fast charging) it is less then desirable.
Your time accuracy is very likely all that is really needed. If you are curious on how to work with time in spreadsheet, my idea: Do everything in seconds. Then format the cell to "hh:mm:ss". For example if you want to enter a time; =(3600*1+60*33+21)/86400, then format the cell as above. But it might be overkill for your application. Really appreciate your content, even if only 5% of the vehicles you test are available in the USA.
Have brought one of these vans and have no problems with range.its needing to go to garage for a fault but mine is a early version and the garage offer good service.
Damn! I wish they sold those in the states. I play in a band and I’ve always wanted an EV I could tour in. I think Ford has some lame delivery vehicles coming out soon but they have really limited range👎 thanks for the video dude!
Hi Bjørn. I drive a Maxus edeliver3 at work and own an E-NV200 Evalia and the Maxus is considerable more noisy then the E-NV200 Evalia, Maxus actually is loud when it get up to speed.
Very interesting Van. Manufacturers should only advertise with net battery capacities. 75 kwh seems interesting at first view, but is a bit disappointing when you only get 62 kwh out of the pack...
Very interesting. In the UK it appears we only get the 50kwh pack - presumably limiting amount of variation in manufacture given a smaller market for right hand drive. Hope the bigger pack comes out here eventually...
@@callumcurtis15 those are on the van I think. On the MPV it seems to be only 50s. Delighted to be wrong about this though. In other news these vans seem to be staying stubbornly expensive so probably out of my range for a few years yet...
@@stewreviews9345 Looks like the 75kWh are starting to come out now over here as well :) Be on the lookout for a new one in about 3 years, so hopefully the prices come down a bit by then!
Performance at highway exceleration is just like my VW T5....the 83hp version (German post special). It's adquate but not great in terms of power. But at 8 litres per 100km living in the Alps and always driving uphill its economical for a van (slightly bigger than the Citroen you are testing)
I wouldn’t mind a van/bus. Specially electric. Before I wasn’t into van’s/busses because diesel and high roadtax.. it was only interesting of you hd a company. Or you worked for a company and have to drive it for them. But i always loved the build type of the van. It would be the ultimate family car. It would be the ultimate vacation car. It would be the ultimate moving from house to house car. So technically the van/bus is the perfect vehicle. And now that it is electric no diesel! No expensive roadtax! And maybe now it is electric you don’t need to have a grey licenseplate for it ( it is for people that want to use a bus privately outside their company)
I think Bjorn could slowly start to incorporate adding 80kgs of stuff into the car, just to simulate what the range is having another person in the car, which is most normal. 3 is too much, just one is too little. What do you think, Bjorn ? Right now, we are kind seeing only the best/ideal scenario, in terms of passengers. Of course, this is just a suggestion. You started all this and you are the person who is doing endless kilometres/miles, so take this suggestion kindly. Though it would create a mess of your tests/ for the existing numbers tables. On second thought, just continue as you are , we do not want to confuse you or make your life more difficult! Just curious of your opinion on this. I think EV manufacturers should include on the specifications a 80% to 10% range test, with a passenger and some stuff/baggage added, (lets say 100kg/220pounds total weight to simulate the scenario), into the equation/tests they do. It is usually the more common profile, right ?
10:16 Is it maybe because you have it in Eco mode? :) Edit: Ah, you made this video before the interior video, because you were aware of it in that one :P
I think the cruise control is based on miles pr hour (=1,61 km/h), so when you increase or decrease the speed it will step by 1,61 km/h. I have the same on my car.
Miles per hour on a European made car? It's weird. Also, only a few countries use a non-metric system. Last time I saw it was the US, Liberia and Myanmar.
I would argue that those vans are mostly driven commercially. Like as Taxi, Shuttle service and the likes. Oslo is actually probably one of the worse cases for an airport shuttle considering how far outside the city Gardermoen really is. A shuttle bus that needs a charging stop roughly coinciding with the required break for the driver is perfect. If it can run for a whole day without re-charging that would be even better, but i believe that will take some time. If one sees a van as a family car, than we have to compare it with the likes of a Tesla Model X although of course there is some price point difference.
I much prefer the HUD having its own combiner glass instead of the ones which simply reflect off the windshield. The text is nice and crisp, without the distortions and slight fuzziness caused by the windshield curvature.
@@bjornnyland Right now they aren't selling them here in Georgia, but I am seriously considering it as a replacement for our 2013 Leaf when it eventually arrives.
@@lucamarcspieletv I'm used to the HUD in a 737 so that's my standard. But we rented a brand-new GMC Denali a few months ago and the HUD was so fuzzy it turned me off to automotive HUDs. The one in this Citroen looks especially good because it has a combiner designed specifically to be used as such, instead of the windshield being used as a combiner as a secondary function.
Wow, if you would use this windshields in Switzerland like that would be quite expensive... oh, today I saw something very rare here: Norwegian tourists ☺
El modelo del vídeo es 100% eléctrico autonomía de 295km conduciendo a 90km/h y autonomía de 180km conduciendo a 120km/h los resultados varían en función del clima, conducción, etc
I like analog. they should switch Battery soc with the Powermeter. Powermeter is so useless. Large Buffer…never can turn it into range..good for charging to 100%. Bad that they advertise with brutto kWh. Kia would call it a 60 kWh battery. Please do the large version in Winter.
he showed in the interior look around that you can move the HUD position up and down, in that he moved it lower. I think he forgot he can move it back up.
Regarding Headup Display: it can be adjusted in height 😉 The HVAC System sucks on this cars… software update needed The car has a kick down… so you press the pedal to the floor there is a resistance and then you get full power… 😉
Heating uses stupid amounts of power. Uses fossil versions heating coil inside dashboard and heats up coolant under the hood..Can’t be fixed with software.
@@bjornnyland you are 100% right… 22 Minutes after charging at a HPC limits power to 60kw for 22-23 Minutes… software bug on the newest Software version 🙈 I already had a PSA technician on my car to get data why and what is going on there. I didn‘t recognize this was right after charging 👍
@@jensfos there is no fix possible at the moment. It is no bug in the software, it is a hardware problem. The busbars in the battery get too hot and the BMS limits the power to let them cool down … there are 2 ways to fix it for PSA (and Toyota) … reduce DC charging speed or replace the bus bars by more capeable ones … First step will be a software update showing a warning „power limited“ (turtle?) according to my informations… Not too good news … sorry
The acceleration is no different than the diesel version! It also goes slow from 80 to 100 and 100 to 120/130 when i'm flooring it! Hell, even taking over with 10-20 Km/h difference i'm like, come oooon! Throwing seems faster. ;)
Actually not bad result for a compromise fossil/electric taxi van. Stellantis will need to have a better one ready to compete with proper, more efficient, electric only vans coming soon.
The consumption with a family and luggage will probably be quite a bit higher. Surprised about the weight on the scale, it's supposed to be 2183kg empty. Max total weight allowed is 3100kg. Wonder what the consumption is with a loaded van. Can't expect much acceleration with only 136Hp and 260Nm in such a large vehicle. That's less than my Golf diesel :) It's listed as being 13.1 seconds 0-100 km/h.
Haha that cruisecontrol would drive me mad. Feel its a bit sad that the OEM brands dont just design pure EVs by now. These old fossils wih batteries is just an epic fail and shows how far behind they are.
I just completed I 5500km road trip from Oslo to Finnmark with a long, 8seater, Toyota Proace electric, identical car. My average consumption was 270wh/km. This with skibox, 8 persons and the car packed to maximum weight. From Bodø and home had an average of 260wh/km. I saw 220wh/kw in the hottest days with flat roads and almost 400wh/km the coldest days with rain and hilly roads. On motorways I use 320wh/km as reference and I used 300wh/km as worst case when I calculated my range. GOM seems to be more accurate below 50%, but only for lower speed around 80. It still optimistic for motorways.
speeds?
Björn to your upcoming tests:
In the Stellantis cars ECO mode limits the maximum motor power (60%) and the maximus climate power.
Normal mode only limits the maximum motor power to 80%.
There might be changes in newer software but for now I believe this is the case
I just got a new LWB one of these at an insane price in the UK (20k inc vat - supposed to be 52k 🤣) and I had to drive it back across England. I can confirm the motorway range at 9degrees was 170miles at 62mph (plus whatever buffer it has so maybe 180). Interestingly, the van shows as having 76kwh battery when connected to a rapid. So it seems the city range really will be 200+ miles. Very impressive coming from an ENV200.
This clearly proves that a van always is a top choice, or the thing to prefer above an suv that is way too big and lacking interior space at the same time.
Hei Bjørn . Takk for at du tester kassebil.
I use the Toyota proace van electric at work.
I have a 50 kWh batteri and it Works very well for me. And i love it .
I work in Bergen Norway .
The Nissan E Nv200 was like " Ohh Bjorn films something... uhh with a van. Here lemme give u a size comparison :3"
3:42 Tie Fighter on the right :D
Usually the head-up display can be adjusted through the console.
perfect///now i know what workhorse i need. super
You need to try acceleration when not in eco mode. Eco is limiting your power.
I also noticed (with my Zafira e-Life, which is a PSA sibling) that the max power is limited for a while (10-15 minutes) after fast charging (maybe due to limiting of heating of the batteries?). With full power available acceleration is decent (also from 80-130km/h) With power limited (ECO mode or just after fast charging) it is less then desirable.
Your time accuracy is very likely all that is really needed. If you are curious on how to work with time in spreadsheet, my idea:
Do everything in seconds. Then format the cell to "hh:mm:ss".
For example if you want to enter a time; =(3600*1+60*33+21)/86400, then format the cell as above.
But it might be overkill for your application.
Really appreciate your content, even if only 5% of the vehicles you test are available in the USA.
Please test the e berlingo 1000 km challenge this coming winter
So helpful! Great overview. A lot of information. Thank you so much.
I hope you Bjorn can test the new ë-berlingo soon
Have brought one of these vans and have no problems with range.its needing to go to garage for a fault but mine is a early version and the garage offer good service.
really waiting for new 2024 e-Spacetourer review. Would be so interesting see what are the improvements!?
Thanks for the Video Björn. Opel, Mercedes, Peugeot, Citroen, Nissan - yes, more choices. Great. Would love to see eqv in summer.
Damn! I wish they sold those in the states. I play in a band and I’ve always wanted an EV I could tour in. I think Ford has some lame delivery vehicles coming out soon but they have really limited range👎 thanks for the video dude!
Supposedly Ford will launch a smaller electric van (transit connect size) later based on the Volkswagen MEB platform.
Does this also come as a delivery van? Nissan really need the competition.
Hi Bjørn. I drive a Maxus edeliver3 at work and own an E-NV200 Evalia and the Maxus is considerable more noisy then the E-NV200 Evalia, Maxus actually is loud when it get up to speed.
Very interesting Van. Manufacturers should only advertise with net battery capacities. 75 kwh seems interesting at first view, but is a bit disappointing when you only get 62 kwh out of the pack...
Tack!🌹👍
It would make a great airport shuttle van. If the consumption is not to high when towing a trailer.
Very interesting. In the UK it appears we only get the 50kwh pack - presumably limiting amount of variation in manufacture given a smaller market for right hand drive.
Hope the bigger pack comes out here eventually...
I know it's a very late comment but all I see on autotrader is 75 kW packs ?
@@callumcurtis15 those are on the van I think. On the MPV it seems to be only 50s. Delighted to be wrong about this though.
In other news these vans seem to be staying stubbornly expensive so probably out of my range for a few years yet...
@@stewreviews9345 Looks like the 75kWh are starting to come out now over here as well :) Be on the lookout for a new one in about 3 years, so hopefully the prices come down a bit by then!
I love the table for estimated 1000km time!
I own the Toyota Pro Ace Electric. Drove it for 7000km now and have an avarage consumption of 225w per km. Use 60% highway 40% normal roads.
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As a blind subscriber it’s very frustrating not to have any numeric results verbalised cheers
Performance at highway exceleration is just like my VW T5....the 83hp version (German post special). It's adquate but not great in terms of power. But at 8 litres per 100km living in the Alps and always driving uphill its economical for a van (slightly bigger than the Citroen you are testing)
In 15 years when these are down to my price point (10% of new price) looks like I will have some acceptable options - thanks form France
I wouldn’t mind a van/bus. Specially electric. Before I wasn’t into van’s/busses because diesel and high roadtax.. it was only interesting of you hd a company. Or you worked for a company and have to drive it for them. But i always loved the build type of the van. It would be the ultimate family car. It would be the ultimate vacation car. It would be the ultimate moving from house to house car. So technically the van/bus is the perfect vehicle. And now that it is electric no diesel! No expensive roadtax! And maybe now it is electric you don’t need to have a grey licenseplate for it ( it is for people that want to use a bus privately outside their company)
I think Bjorn could slowly start to incorporate adding 80kgs of stuff into the car, just to simulate what the range is having another person in the car, which is most normal.
3 is too much, just one is too little.
What do you think, Bjorn ?
Right now, we are kind seeing only the best/ideal scenario, in terms of passengers.
Of course, this is just a suggestion.
You started all this and you are the person who is doing endless kilometres/miles, so take this suggestion kindly.
Though it would create a mess of your tests/ for the existing numbers tables.
On second thought, just continue as you are , we do not want to confuse you or make your life more difficult!
Just curious of your opinion on this.
I think EV manufacturers should include on the specifications a 80% to 10% range test, with a passenger and some stuff/baggage added, (lets say 100kg/220pounds total weight to simulate the scenario), into the equation/tests they do.
It is usually the more common profile, right ?
10:16 Is it maybe because you have it in Eco mode? :) Edit: Ah, you made this video before the interior video, because you were aware of it in that one :P
I think the cruise control is based on miles pr hour (=1,61 km/h), so when you increase or decrease the speed it will step by 1,61 km/h.
I have the same on my car.
Miles per hour on a European made car? It's weird.
Also, only a few countries use a non-metric system. Last time I saw it was the US, Liberia and Myanmar.
I would argue that those vans are mostly driven commercially. Like as Taxi, Shuttle service and the likes. Oslo is actually probably one of the worse cases for an airport shuttle considering how far outside the city Gardermoen really is. A shuttle bus that needs a charging stop roughly coinciding with the required break for the driver is perfect. If it can run for a whole day without re-charging that would be even better, but i believe that will take some time.
If one sees a van as a family car, than we have to compare it with the likes of a Tesla Model X although of course there is some price point difference.
They look fine for families who are not wealthy enough to get a Tesla. (Can you even buy a Model X now?)
The Model X is a very cramped car compared to this though. If you need space and not super high range, this one is way better and cheaper.
Wonder what the range would be packed with people and luggage running in 120-130km/h. Guess it would be
I much prefer the HUD having its own combiner glass instead of the ones which simply reflect off the windshield. The text is nice and crisp, without the distortions and slight fuzziness caused by the windshield curvature.
Try the HUD on Ioniq 5 and you will change your mind.
@@bjornnyland Right now they aren't selling them here in Georgia, but I am seriously considering it as a replacement for our 2013 Leaf when it eventually arrives.
Head up on ID4 and Enyaq is very clear and much better.
Maybe u mean old HUDs
@@lucamarcspieletv I'm used to the HUD in a 737 so that's my standard. But we rented a brand-new GMC Denali a few months ago and the HUD was so fuzzy it turned me off to automotive HUDs. The one in this Citroen looks especially good because it has a combiner designed specifically to be used as such, instead of the windshield being used as a combiner as a secondary function.
@@NoelBarlau the HUD in Enyaq and ID4 is so good, u want use the Tachometer anymore. I promise. crystal clear and nice AR features.
Are you going to review the new Fiat 500? Thanks
It's waiting in Bjørn's garage already.
@@OenkePoenke cool, thanks!
I whish they have this in 4x4 for Norways winter roads.
Does it have assistive cruise.?
Nice van.
can you introduce more about the interior , specification, charging, .....etc. because i want to buy 7 seat EV.
Björn has a separate video about the interior of this car.
Would be Nice to test how much range is affected by length of the car?
Almost nothing, it's just about the weight. The frontal area is the same, also the rear. Those are the places where the air resistance affects
The ‘fat etron’ gets ripped on so much 😅
Wow, if you would use this windshields in Switzerland like that would be quite expensive... oh, today I saw something very rare here: Norwegian tourists ☺
Big family like Elon Musk has... Would be something to find out whether Elon actually drives a Citroën for his family holidays...
They don't sell Citroens in the USA.
@@FFVoyager That would not stop Elon from getting one.
Europe needs Cybervan!!!
@@Zladcore But no yoke, please.
@@Zladcore Yeah, made of stainless steel...That would look like a vault on wheels 😂
Cuántos km hace en electrico ?
Su autonomía ?
330kms con la bateria de 75kwh
No habla.
@@bjornnyland 🤣
De eso es de lo que va el video. Mira la hoja de cálculo en Google ;) (English: That is what this video is about. Look at the Google Shieeeeet xD )
El modelo del vídeo es 100% eléctrico autonomía de 295km conduciendo a 90km/h y autonomía de 180km conduciendo a 120km/h los resultados varían en función del clima, conducción, etc
I like analog. they should switch Battery soc with the Powermeter. Powermeter is so useless.
Large Buffer…never can turn it into range..good for charging to 100%. Bad that they advertise with brutto kWh. Kia would call it a 60 kWh battery.
Please do the large version in Winter.
I think the vehicle weight was lighter than you expected because you had used some of its fuel. 🤔🙄😜
Try the Maxus Euniq. Really nice car in the same class.
What is battery 50kwh or 75 kwh?
Lol that's a heads-down display.
he showed in the interior look around that you can move the HUD position up and down, in that he moved it lower. I think he forgot he can move it back up.
I have that HUD in Berlingo and its work very good. You can watch only on road. Very usefull.
Regarding Headup Display: it can be adjusted in height 😉
The HVAC System sucks on this cars… software update needed
The car has a kick down… so you press the pedal to the floor there is a resistance and then you get full power… 😉
Heating uses stupid amounts of power. Uses fossil versions heating coil inside dashboard and heats up coolant under the hood..Can’t be fixed with software.
Trust me. I already used the kickdown. The lack of power was a "bug" after charging as someone else here explained.
@@bjornnyland you are 100% right… 22 Minutes after charging at a HPC limits power to 60kw for 22-23 Minutes… software bug on the newest Software version 🙈
I already had a PSA technician on my car to get data why and what is going on there.
I didn‘t recognize this was right after charging 👍
@@christianweigl4467 did you find a fix for it? Super annoying not getting up to 110km/h unless it's flat/downhill after charging. Proace 75kwh.
@@jensfos there is no fix possible at the moment. It is no bug in the software, it is a hardware problem. The busbars in the battery get too hot and the BMS limits the power to let them cool down … there are 2 ways to fix it for PSA (and Toyota) … reduce DC charging speed or replace the bus bars by more capeable ones …
First step will be a software update showing a warning „power limited“ (turtle?) according to my informations…
Not too good news … sorry
The acceleration is no different than the diesel version! It also goes slow from 80 to 100 and 100 to 120/130 when i'm flooring it! Hell, even taking over with 10-20 Km/h difference i'm like, come oooon! Throwing seems faster. ;)
Actually not bad result for a compromise fossil/electric taxi van. Stellantis will need to have a better one ready to compete with proper, more efficient, electric only vans coming soon.
Looking forward to the ID. Buzz test.
The consumption with a family and luggage will probably be quite a bit higher.
Surprised about the weight on the scale, it's supposed to be 2183kg empty.
Max total weight allowed is 3100kg. Wonder what the consumption is with a loaded van.
Can't expect much acceleration with only 136Hp and 260Nm in such a large vehicle. That's less than my Golf diesel :)
It's listed as being 13.1 seconds 0-100 km/h.
Haha that cruisecontrol would drive me mad. Feel its a bit sad that the OEM brands dont just design pure EVs by now. These old fossils wih batteries is just an epic fail and shows how far behind they are.
"Efficient... but accelerates like a dead horse." (Funny. Only an indie guy can get away with saying that. :-).