Mercedes eSprinter Highway Range Test! This Electric Van Could Actually Work For You
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- Kyle heads out on our Out of Spec 70-MPH Highway Range Test in the Mercedes eSprinter with the 113kWh LFP battery pack in the 170" / high roof configuration
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FYI, the market for this is delivery vans, plumbers, electrician, etc. Most delivery vans do like 80-100km/day. Most trades people spend their day working, not driving. These vans will be charged on L2 at night for peanuts and will have more than enough range. This is exactly what the market needs. There is more to the world than races to vegas.
Exactly. And VW should do an I.D.Buzz panel van for the little guy; would sell like hotcakes.
You can buy the id buzz as a panel van in Europe. I se them daily in Sweden
@@TheRealYaro ID. Buzz Cargo exists already in Europe. Depends in wich part of the world you live, if you get it atm or next year in other markets (i guess).
@@TheRealYaro It would sell poorly in America. American tradesmen aren't going to be caught dead in an ID Buzz. Even if it's built in the USA. Sure, it makes sense on paper, but your average blue collar company isn't going to be buying a fleet of VWs anytime soon.
@@LarryEngel-b1b You understand that you are talking about an incredibly fringe application, right? That's not how it is in Europe, Asia, or even most of North American population centres. It's ok to disagree because your very specific application is different, but you are still wrong about what the market for these is.
Honestly super excited to start seeing ev van life conversions
Cybertruck owners have got to be jealous of that rear view mirror
And Polestar 4 and Volvo EFZ and Mercedes Actros and BYD Bus and Ford Transit and and and
I guess you never heard of those, ey mate?
Highly highly doubt it 😂😂😂😂😂
I am lol!
Mirrors suck range, rear view cameras do not. DOT can't get them approved fast enough, lame!
@@glike2 dude, the rearview mirror...inside the car. 😂
Kyle, I’ve run into lots of EV van sceptics who assert that the range drops to 75 miles with cargo onboard .
How about a range test with 500kg onboard and with 1000kg / 1 ton onboard ?
Then you’ve got numbers for prospective buyers who know what weight they’re carrying and they can see for themselves if it’s practical or not …
Nobody buying a van for work will drive around with it empty … even the ‘van life’ people will have 200-300kg of furniture, fittings and appliances in the back…
Weight doesn't really make much difference vs air drag. Air drag will kill it super quick.
@@peterjorgensen3 Weight only really matters in the city, where it's lots of acceleration and deceleration. But for strictly highway use it doesn't make that much of a difference.
I’m looking to buy one and build it out as RV. Your question is important to me too.
We need to start seeing those huge ass vans with super range like the GM Silverado EV.
2 layers of battery on the floor. 400+ miles range 😍 . Lots of solar panels around the van.
100% need an EV Van race to vegas 😂😂 4 hour video easily and I'd watch the whole thing
Yes, EV van makers really need to understand long range is needed. It also translates into additional power tool use time when used in the trades.
the charging stops will be brutal 😅
Not a road trip but a pick up of some heavy load, the leaders in the race on the way back will see others going to the pick up point.
@@ekaa.3189 They do but physics is not their friend.
@@buddy1155 Pickup a couple pallets of beer, and deliver then to CO... Unfortunately that would have some legal headaches given the lack of commercial rated drivers. Even pallets of rocks could be considered commercial loads.
This could haul SO much more than any of the pickups on the market. Imagine if it had even bigger battery options and 2nd or 3rd row seating options. Epic road tripping for people with lots of kids, friends and/or stuff.
Please give electricity/fuel cost numbers comparing vs ICE version (for 100miles). It would be nice to show people how good electric vans are in the city
Mercedes Sprinter Urban 26,9-36,2 mpg
E-Sprinter 2,4mi/kWh = 80 mpge
If you charge in California and fill your Diesel tank in Mississippi the cost would be about the same.
Every State and country vary so wildly in cost for electricity and fuel. It would be impossible to do.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 i live in CA and my rate is $.13c per kWh. So to fill up the eSprinter would cost me $14.69 .... what is the cost of diesel in MS?
@@TeslaSpaceX According to Google 3.27 US$. Here in Europe it would be about 30 cent/kWh SuC - 48 cent/kWh and 1.9 US$ per LITER! That is 7.22 US$ per gallon.
@@TeslaSpaceX I consulted the spreadsheet of all 800+ pilot / flying j locations and in Meridian, MS @ Pilot Travel Center #1203
it is $3.499. The cheapest is in La Porte, TX @ $3.359 and tied for 2nd are Rapid City, SD; Brighton, CO; Strafford, MO @ $3.399.
For electricity reference here in Kansas City under the max differential time of use rate tariff for summer we pay:
Customer Charge $12
Summer On-peak (4-8 pm M-F) $0.36283
Summer Super off Peak (12a-6a) $0.03394
Summer Off-Peak (rest) $0.12364
Kansas City Franchise Fee: 6.382%
To charge the eSprinter overnight here would cost $4.08 + pro rata portion of customer charge.
This just got in the list of my dream vehicle ultimate one
I agree, Mercedes makes many fine vehicles, but the Sprinter is, by far, consistently the best thing they make.
I would want a little more battery, and a second motor in the front, but this is in the ballpark. Oh, and the NACS port.
Great video, and I like the 70 mph test for consistency with other vehicles. It seems a 65 mph or even 60 mph test would be more appropriate for your target audience, as I imagine most people are interested in using it as an RV, and in that use case, range will be more important than speed for cross country travel, and especially camping at max distance from a charging station.
I would think most people are interested in using it as a work vehicle. Far more cargo vans are sold as *CARGO* vans than as RVs. (Delivery vehicles, work trucks holding tools/equipment, etc.)
I don't know if you've ever driven out where he's at, if you were going 60 on the highway you would get run straight off the road.
@@otm646no you do not get run over because I never drive 70 mph!
Yeah I drive on motorways at 60 even in a diesel for the extra efficiency. I'd certainly do that in an EV. And it makes a difference in a van. It would be great to know what the range number was. 20% extra?
I've always known the phrase, "you're dumber than a box of rocks", but I don't think I've ever really seen an actual box of rocks. 😂
😂😂😂😂
My first camper is coming to me on 15 July due to a delay at the Wheelhome factory. My vehicle is a Vauxhall Combo Life Electric with the Vikenze III-e conversion.
21:11 you should give a moment of silence when doing the acceleration onto the freeway so we can hear that silent drivetrain and not have talking over it 😆.
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seriously going to love seeing these in use. the "keep AC on" button reminds me of my S-Class, which has a very similar feature. perfect for cold/hot days when you're only going to be in a store for like 5 minutes. cant wait for camper builds in these, hope they can hook solar into the vehicle's battery to charge it while parked at camp. seems like a no-brainer, if it's possible
Need chevy to do a 220kw pack. Get about 300-350 miles. I need a min of 300 miles to get rid of my pro master 2500 cargo van. Gotta have extra buffer for winter range, wind etc
Thanks. We had a class C motorhome, on a 1993 Chevy chassis that had a small V8 engine that had limited torque. I hated its fridge! We sold it when our kids grew out of going RVing with us. Plus, the maintenance was annoying. Worse, the silly rubber membrane roof kept leaking. What a terrible roof material to use! Anyways, having having a class B-C electric motorhome on this Mercedes electric chassis would be like heaven, apart from the price, of course. 😂 lots of love to all.❤❤❤
That’s what I want one of these for…to build it out as RV. My only concern is when it gets built out as RV, we have to be careful due to the batteries and wiring underneath when building it out with shower,toilet, adding living room, stove, kitchen. Don’t want to damage anything.
Great video! What a time to be alive! I’d love to van life this thing.
Fully-electric vehicles (BEVs) had 8.0% market share in Q2 2024. U.S. electric vehicle sales in Q2 2024 totaled 330,463 (up 22.9% from Q1 2024, and up 11.3% year-over-year)
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Please, please bright drop information as soon as it’s available for us private individuals in the meantime yes keep us up-to-date on range test and what it does because as you say that much bigger battery that’s crucial for those of us that need it so thank you for the update. Thank you for the sprinter information and looking forward to the updated transit test as well but for sure, the bright drop test!
ROFL 12:00 I was just sitting thinking that I'd like to see under the van if there are any room there. 🤣
Love the rear view camera , cool video 😊
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Thank you...really enjoyed this video. Looks like so much fun to drive..
The Combo Life Electric gives a full battery range of 175 miles, but it’s now available with a larger battery that will give 250 miles of battery range.
That is great for some people, but it is a 4300mm long vehicle, vs 7000mm for this van. 175 mile range for a vehicle more than twice the volume is pretty great. I hope they do come out with a battery upgrade to get over the 250 mile target soon!
Kyle, how about a little challenge? Get the Mercedes back around January - March of 2025. I have a 2023 e-Transit tall, and extended. You'll be lucky to get 100 miles out of it at 70mph driving to Wyoming. I live in Cheyenne, and this is more of less cherry picking the absolute perfect conditions. Let's see how well it does with the heater, seat heater, and battery heater running - while driving in the wind. I can speak from experience from my van.
thanks for hardcore testing it out
I really like how thorough you are in your videos 🙂
The use case for a long wheelbase high ceiling can is almost certainly deliveries. That's where the electric efficiency shines.
Forget the highway range test, if this thing catches on it's giving to halve the non-labor operational cost of delivery, possibly.
AWD 144 with NACS and a slightly bigger battery and I’ll move my Sprinter build from the diesel to this. ⚡️🚘
Yes, do the BrightDrop van. And please, ask if they will ever sell it in Europe. That should be good for a campervan with the huge battery
Dreaming of a day when the range on these are so good we see Van Lifers transforming them
We are kind of getting there. Unless you’re going super far out in the middle of nowhere, just about 200mi works for something like this
@@KyleConner Especially if you pop into a campground with hookups every few days, which you'd probably need for water anyways.
I just imagined them taking a power drill to the floor to install their conversion only to go through the pack.
@@YKSGuy 😂😂
@@JakeShirley mmm good point
Seeing Supercharger support is coming the some of their cars, when will the eSprinter get Supercharger support?
It doesn't appear that the 2025 eSprinter will have it. Let's hope it makes it onto the 2026. :)
This is the range test I was looking forward to. Using lighter weight materials this could be a great van lifer. Driving a little slower would help the range.
It will come in handy for moving house soon! :)
Great video as always!
I'd live in this thing.
actual Amazon Number- Ft Worth - Rivian 181 summer, 143 Winter , Transit 133 summer, no winter yet, eSprinter 161 summer, 118 winter. Ford Transit Cargo (Non-EV) 396 summer, 361 winter (idle time). In short, if you want to run a fleet, you will need two (2) EVs for every one (1) Diesel . Also add a driver.
That makes no sense. Most vans are for local delivery and do under 100 miles per day. For most, you'd save on fuel and maintenance costs
@@Tazdeviloo7 - Retired after 37 Years, 4 as UPS Alternate fuels committee, please tell me more about what I don't know.
@@GetsumJ Then you know that different drivers have different routes that they work. The majority of which are under 100 miles. Even UPS isn't using most of their trucks 24/7 so charging at night is not an issue. Have you not seen the Amazon Rivians doing routes?
@@Tazdeviloo7 My son manages the Amazon fleet in Haslet TX. So yea, those numbers come from Amazon. Also, this isn't CA or NY, it's Texas, more miles to cover. No one effing route was under 100 miles. Wanna know the routes ? You're wrong, you have no clue what you are talking about.
Definitely think it would be good to focus on how businesses will use this van. If anyone you know has a fleet of these get how much weight a build out is and see if you can test the use case. Also curious if you could charge it in a lunch break if you somehow depleted it before mid-day! Does it have any inverter options other than a 12/16v for charging power tools?
This would be the greatest EV review channel ever if Kyle could just stop talking so much. 20:15 until the range test starts! Please, get an editor
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There was definitely a deja vu moment there😂
As a fleet owner I'd be intrested in one at the 144" with this same battery package... Im guessing they need the 170" for this battery pack? I like what I see I just don't want or need the 170" I'm my business.
Wow the efficiency is amazing even with that massive frontal area, definitely over my guess.
You should get a low top model and see what the difference is. The passenger version would be good too. The one I built out on the site was a short wheel base 10 passenger $135,473 I believe it only has a 81kwh Battery though
21:20 - I'm pretty sure the motor sound is not noticeable due to the fact that the rear motor is pretty far from the driver's cab. That wall also helps.
Woow what a coincidence my phone shuts off to a 5% low battery warning the moment you said shut off
Agree. BMW i4 RWD has very impressive regen.
I see these all the time From Amazon cargo vans. We win at Electric Adoption when business go there first!!!
This would make a great RV van
RACE TO VEGAS VAN LIFE!!
Heck yeah for a van race to Vegas!!!!!!!!!!!
Just took delivery of mine today. Range said 200 miles full so my first drive was 75 miles home and now it says 168 miles so im thinking it gets better range than stated on computer
My questions:
When will we see the 144" in the US?
How much KWH consumed does running the A/C while parked?
Any safe way to connect on roof solar to the EV battery to help maintain while parked (Wish they offered a Solar in port one day)
Waiting for 400 mile range and 150 miles in 15 minutes.
Sprinter has the advantage of a ton of up-fit stuff that is designed for the Sprinter van box.
I assume you are doing your zero to 100% charge test starting at the end of this video, looking forward to the results! Also, I hope you have time to do the 10% challenge with it :)
Super cool van
What was the cost of the charge from 0 to 100%? I would love to try this here in Pennsylvania with all these mountains. Not being skeptical I just think it would definitely have an effect (especially loaded). But then again, gas powered are affected by the mountains too. Just curious. I love your videos by the way.
Even I admit that the Sprinter is a great van, but I wouldn’t have one!! I don’t like the idea of having to park such a large vehicle, but I want something in which I can spend my holidays!!
Will/does Mercedes update their software regularly?
I upgraded my fuel tank to the S&B 47 gallon tank and can go 700+ miles. When electric can take me that far on a charge then I would be interested.
What's it cost to fill that 47 gallon tank? $185?
Electric will never get that kind of range unless there’s some physics breaking battery technology evolution.
EVs were never about parity with ICE in my opinion. The equation for me was always:
(Cost of Gasoline + Desire to reduce your individual carbon footprint) vs. (Cost of electricity charging + inconvenience of charging stops + range anxiety + premium for EV vehicle).
This will be my retirement home :)
@@viewviewview1236 build superduper washroom nothing else 😂
you could buy an acre, tiny house and a corolla for the same price.
@@howlinhauler i know mate but a moving home just to see the world but nothing like a house :)
@@viewviewview1236in the black water holding tank!
I would love to get this van, but as a carpet cleaner, I need a van with a bigger payload. Water is heavy and would eat that payload up. It would be nice to see a 3500 with 3500- 4k payload. Also, installing the actual equipment would be interesting as bolting to the floor may not be feasible. I would like to see the new upgraded etransit put through the wringer.
You sure could fit a lot of panels on top. This would be a great van to build out a house bank with onboard charger.🤙
Did you know that Ford has brought out an electric Transit Custom? I hope that the camper converters take it on rather than leaving it on the forecourt!!
@Madonsteamrailways As far as I know, the Transit Custom is not available in North America.
Winnebago has a prototype eTransit camper. Not sure when it’s going to be sold in reality though.
A van full of deliveries.. like i did in Canberra.. ( always was well overweight, wine boxes, the lot .. the battery test on that would be appreciated.. (think a Snap on Van )
You do understand how they _under_ report SoC / total capacity, right? At "zero" it'll still have plenty in the pack. The control systems will stop you long before the pack reaches actual zero. Companies are well versed in measuring capacity - NiMH has no voltage curve, and that's been the heart of hybrids for 30 years. (that's why it asks for calibration.)
You need to add pay load because Ford said it impacts range a lot
He said he'll do an efficiency test at max payload. So we'll find out what effect it has.
You should also do a 60 mph test to compare the effects of speed.
Great video Kyle
Is there any way to get AC to the back or is that something you would have to add if it had a sliding door behind the seats if you were loading it with plants you would want to keep it relatively cool
One would put a separate cooling system in the back. Add some insulation too. Many companies will do that sort of upfitting.
Did you just leave poor Alyssa in the back while you drive 😂
I believe that in some global markets, the higher capacity chargers cost more in taxes.
Not taxes... but higher-capacity grid connections are more expensive because their fees are based on 'peak' draw, not avg delivery (I forget the property terminology for this connection fee).... and those grid-fees get added to the charging costs (which is why high-power chargers are usually more expensive)
Can’t wait for a long range sprinter maybe 250-300 miles would be perfect
So stopping every 150 miles it would add me 17 extra hours of drive time from CA to TN and that's running empty weighted. Not quite there yet for me. We aren't to far off it now though.
As a long time Tesla owner and Campervan owner, minimum requirements for EV campervan:
1. 300 mile highway (esp if boondocking is required)
2. 250kw charging speed for road trips
3. 30amp 110v plug from high voltage battery (for AC, inductive stove, all 12v accessories like water pump, heating using heat pump AC)
Once all 3 are satisfied, we’ll have the perfect EV campervan.
Oh, and NACS… 😅
Can’t wait!!! 🥳🥳🥳
And $150k minimum price tag😂….dont forget mileage range lost when RV is built out due to weight.
@@inquisitvem6723 1. Battery costs have come down significantly, so should still be under $100k and would save money on other accessories usually added to campervans (generator, inverter, batteries, etc).
2. Most of the range loss in large vehicles is due to size, not weight. Weight impact is mostly going uphill but then when you go downhill you recuperate most of the energy (unlike gas vehicles) so at the end of the day weight is less of an issue.
I agree with your spec in principle, I'd also add 'V2G' as the thing will spend a lot of time sat on the drive so I'd like to use the battery, and 'has heat pump' for vehicle heating efficiency.
However that spec is currently not practical - you are getting into 'battery so huge it's hurting it's own range' territory. I reckon I get by with 250 miles at 60mph , even though it might be annoying occasionally. The Buzz gets quite close to that, everything else is way short so far. It is frustrating to see so many 160-200 mile vans aimed at delivery people, and no option to just get some more battery.
39:17 40:05 that glitch in the matrix tho
Deja vu
Just got there and came to the comments to make sure I'm not seeing things or too many cervezas in....
Do these have a heatpump?
I am very confused by the navigation Kyle performed in this. Before any driving, he said he was going up Mount Evans, which I am well familiar with because several years ago my wife and I bicycled up (and down) from Denver. But then he was talking about Wyoming and Nebraska?! And the highway signs showed I-25 which I don't think I have ever been on. Presumably "Wellington" is not the one in New Zealand and probably in Colorado, apparently along I-25, but Kyle was being excessively secretive and didn't say which one of the 19 Wellingtons in the U.S. he meant!
It is a lovely-looking van; I have a 2014 2.1 diesel, and I never had any issues with 24 mileage per gallon; if I ever buy another Sprinter, I would like to buy the same thing I have right now. Please don’t try Baja or Alaska Voyage this one.
Please do a van life comparison!
I can't wait for this to be on the used market for about 50k, so I can replace my big van with this.
There's a few used low mile e-Transits for $24-30k, I'd wait and see how the used price holds up.
Only this and the Transit are viable work vans in my eyes. My services services and my branding need to be a thing that makes the impact, not that I'm rolling up in something aggressively electric. Plus there are a lot of older individuals out there who really dislike EVs, those are still good customers I want to keep.
Not everyone needs a bigger motor. It’s entirely dependent on your use case.
Does it have “camp mode” like a Tesla? Is there a 120V power outlet for vehicle 2 load?
Winnebagos going to be next?
Will there be a passenger version? I have 4 children and they of course have friends, so we're holding out for 8 or more passenger EV.
I don’t understand why this costs so much. Not just the EV version or even the Sprinter, but vans in general. If this is indeed $80k, it costs more than my loaded EV9 AWD which has only a slightly smaller battery (and it’s not the cheaper LFP chemistry, so it’s smaller, lighter and has better charge/discharge performance), far nicer interior, full driver assistance package and AWD with nearly 2x the power. Even factoring in the cost of the battery, it seems like this should be $60k tops. Cargo vans have basically no interior, no luxury options, nothing to justify the cost. The stronger frame and suspension don’t add that much cost, especially vs something like the EV9 and F150 Lightning that both use a lot of forged aluminum in their suspension (I’m sure the Sprinter just uses basic steel).
As far as van life stuff with this, I guess it depends on the person. This thing would be awesome once you got to your destination as long as someone outfits it with an AC inverter that allows you to use the HV battery to power stuff in the interior and the cargo barrier can be opened/removed to allow the cabin HVAC to heat/cool the back. But, I’m not sure the range is sufficient. Again, depends on the person. I’m imagining that the typical van life person who can afford to spend $80k + outfitting cost (probably well over $100k when all said and done) is probably not doing real camping out in the woods, but probably more like glamping 20 miles outside of a major city at a catered resort. This would be fine for that, but for real camping away from civilization…I’m not sure it has the range to get you there, use it, AND get you back to a charger. Campgrounds with power hookup is not camping.
For commercial cargo use though, this would be perfect for last mile delivery or basically any trade in a major metro area. Even for something like U-Haul as an in-town moving van.
Production volume...
It's a US market thing in Europe Fiat E-Ducato with 110kWh battery starts around $56k and similarly sized diesel vans like the VW Crafter or Renault Master are under $40k.
maxwell makes a good camper with solar
About 285 km on a charge not bad.
So how long did it actually take to get a 100% charge?
Kyle, I hope the new Colorado Distracted Driving law finally gets you to actually mount cameras in the cabs of vehicles rather than doing the hand-held filming. The production quality is better when you do that, and it's far less dangerous. But as it doesn't kick in until Jan 1, I don't expect you'll start until then.
An electric RAM ProMaster is coming out this year, so another van for you to try out.
You need to test the Ford E-Transit Limited
I think range tests should call it at 5% to avoid hurting the battery as well as giving people the impression going to 1% or even going into turtle mode is OK.
This is a max range test. If you want to stop at 5%, remove 5% from the max range
@@ouch1011 Why whip the horses when it won't change the math?
Part of the purpose of the range tests is so we, the audience can see how the vehicle behaves when the battery is very low. This way, if we ever encounter a low battery while driving, we know what to expect. Appreciate Kyle testing this for us so we don't have to.
Cheers Kyle
Why don't they put a full fat 120kwh battery pack in it and 800V Architecture a air ride suspension so you can drop the ride height to 2in at freeway speeds would be the best case scenario.
Could you get a pallet of materials in the side door and then two pallets from the back
Just slide them in from the back. That is how it is normally done. The forklift puts a pallet in as far as it can place it. Then they load the second pallet, and push the first forward with it. Next pallet is loaded the same way. They may use a board to push a pallet, but often it pallet pushing pallet.