Great video Scott. Your last comment is definitely more important than a lot of people think. I started out shooting music videos (over 20 years ago) and now do a lot of interviews with senior execs. One thing is common between both. People like to see a big pro looking camera. At a gig the crowd react completely differently - what they are watching suddenly seems important. An event. Same with interviews. Big camera - serious stuff and everyone feels valued. Shouldn't matter but it absolutely does.
I need you to make a video how to stay motivated while you're working for yourself.... There is no boss behind my back and the projects got complicated its very easy to do everything else than work :)
My say in this is this: if you're getting distracted - then the things in the first place are not interesting for you. Same with me. I am a musician by hearth and I have been making music for my whole life. I still do it to this day, but it isn't my income source. Whenever I make music - I make music, I can get lost in time and never ever get distracted by anything. But for the money I make videos. And here I get distracted all the time, because making videos isn't something i love 100%. I love making videos, it is a creative work too, but if I could - 80% of the projects I wouldn't be doing. So there's that. Most of my distraction comes in a form of browsing youtube videos for information and I'm kind of OK with that, doesn't bother me that much :)
@@scottmckenna I've had the C200 for nearly a year & love it....finally got an EOS R & love that these 2 pair nicely with C-LOG! Great vid - thx for posting!
All true, you have to go with what gets the job done not what "professionals" use. This is why I switched away from DSLRs to the Canon Cinema line a long time ago. In camera audio is fantastic and the auto focus is a game changer for the types of shots you can get.
I love the switch to Canon. I'm using the XC10 at the moment and i love it! At the moment i do much of run and gun shoots, but for commercial work i miss to have a C200. You are right about the clients who think that bigger camera's are better.
Months after seeing this video and thinking "ugg Scott's nuts for ditching the GH5" I'm considering the C200, C300 Mark II, or C500 Mark II (C500 is really the one I'm eyeballing, but that price tag...) But they just make so much sense for commercial and corporate work. I'm seriously considering selling my 2 P4Ks, and GH5 now that I'm leaving weddings behind and just getting a Canon Cinema Cam.
I went the other way! Canon C100 to GH5. Disappointed Canon never made a C100 mk3/XC10 mix. C200 looks a great camera but I've filmed whole conferences on 2 GH5s (plugged into the mains), xlr sound and been very happy with the performance. We are lucky to have so many choices
Honestly, I'm surprised it took you this long to make that leap. The GH5 is great, but it's better for wedding, you need to be compact and ready to rock and roll. The C200 is great when you can have multiple takes. Depending on what I can raise, I'm picking up the XA45.
I'm glad you brought up the look of the body itself. I was making a mental note that while not a "huge" deal, it can matter to some clients. I used the C200 on a short film this year and that LOG was so awesome to color grade.
Amen, been using the C200 since last spring and although it´s not ideal for every run&gun job but it just keeps making me happy every time I check the footage in my computer + the it just works like a real workhorse... BTW I got the solid pod (1T) for the RAW recording.
It really does mater what clients think (even when they're wrong), and its better to turn up to corporate gig with a camera that 'looks' more professional. I almost sold my C200 a few months back.... I was fed up with carrying it around when the GH5 is so much easier to travel with. But I'm glad I didn't, and you've just reinforced my own reasons for keeping it. I'm interested to know how you expose in CLOG or CLOG3. I use the Line+spot option on the waveform, and expose a gray card to 'just' under 40 IRE. In post, I use Canon's standard CLOG to 709 LUT, and add a little contrast with the pivot point set to -20. This actually gets me really close to the look of the GH5 in its natural profile (same settings you use), so its possible to mix the cameras without too much trouble. Also, if you get chance... try a 55-250 STM lens with IS. Its a cheap lens but honestly suprisingly great. Light weight, and the IS is really good on it... almost as good as the GH5 IBIS, and the auto iris function works really smoothly on it if you need it.
I have a friend who bought second-hand old Canon 1Ds2 so that he can bring along to his shoot. He usually click a few beginning shot, leave it on the table or his assistant, then switch to his 5D4 for the rest of the shoot. 1st because the battery only last around 10 minutes (old battery), second because its job is done. On the side note, that camera can still produce stunningly good image given that the light condition is good. There is something in those camera in that era, like the 5D vintage.
This video was so so helpful even now! I have some money to invest in cameras and I'm trying to decide wether I should try to find a used cinema camera or get an eos r with lots of accessories. Maybe even the upcoming eos R5! You should make a eos r versus c200 video.
Future proofing is always something you have to be looking to do these days. It's also good to have the equipment people may ask for or "The look", people be looking for. Some people go off just the look of something without knowing the ends and outs. I myself want to get me a IMac Pro with the highest graphics card. And I am going to get it when I am able to. Great video.
Get a custom pc and spec it out and or save money or really future proof it. I9 get as many cores as you need. Rtx 2080, get a couple SSDs , and some HDDs, you know the basics!
@@W93h3753mwesley I have seen some videos with premiere and c200 RAW footage where the imacs are faster then the pc, just because the software isn't/wasn't optimised for pc custom spec.
Scott thanks for your honesty and helpful information. Personally I just feel better using a larger cinema camera on a professional shoot. The perception of our paying clients is their reality... even if we're using smaller mirrorless cameras and producing stellar results, it's just not the same. After all It is a competitve industry and there are times when looking the part is almost as important as the finished product ( maybe??) Also it is super important to me not to be worrying if my batteries are going to die or maybe the camera body might tweek out mid shoot.. yikes My next purchase might be the new Sony FX9 or FX6 (depending upon the reviews and the IQ) not really sure yet or a future C200 mk2 ...but I won't hold my breath. Bottom line I think we get what we pay for, Sure a $2500 BMPCC 6K has incredible imagery and is affordable BUT how reliable is it and what kind of Franken-Rig does it require? Anyways best of luck in 2020 Cheers!
We love our C200 as well. The big thing I gripe about though is the start up time (damn near 10 seconds!). In live, run & gun situations you WILL miss moments. I find myself shooting with the R or C100m2 for a lot of smaller gigs. That said, the 200 is a fantastic versatile camera that can take almost anything you throw at it.
Yea the startup time is something that takes some time to get used to but it’s nowhere near as bad as something like a RED which is like 2 minutes haha.
I think you should've gone for the C500mkII, especially since you are focusing more on commercial work, that new camera picks off right where the C200 started to lack features and not only that but it also helps you future proof your content with the added 6k resolution. Maybe It's a bit overkill but that's the camera I would have chosen I were you
@@scottmckenna I'm aware it's a bit of a stretch, but long term I think the investment is worth it, however as you said in the video, whenever you outgrow the camera's capabilities, that's the time to switch, so the most reasonable thing to do is to take advantage of that juicy C200 and start creating! Haha I love your channel so please don't take this comment the wrong way! I'm really a fan of your content!
He could just rent the c500mkII when he needs it and bill the client. No reason to own a camera like that, that depreciates so quickly. Unless you're gonna need its capabilities everyday.
This was extremely helpful bro! The C200 is my next camera purchase for a fact & I definitely agree with you when you said it’s all about perception sometimes when dealing with clients as I’ve been in those exact same situations where they see these dslr cameras which all share the same body & assume you have the same camera & subconsciously discredit your professionalism. I don’t want the same camera body as a 14 year old amateur videographer lol when they see the big body it separates you immediately
The auto focus...the ease of 8 bit 4k...you made some good points. I would have thought you’d go for an FS7, but getting raw “in camera” isn’t possible with it so the c200 is a better choice for that too.
I think it makes perfect sense for you guys. Though except for file format - you could put "anything" in a 500$ camera - everything else you get you pay for when you need theme : form factor (ergonomics), NDs, audio input, outputs, Canon "technology". The EVA1 is the competitor I guess.
Great video! I’ve been a Panasonic shooter for a couple of years and at the beginning of the year I decided to go all in on a 1dxmkii and that was such a huge mistake on my part because it didn’t fit my workflow and made for a not-so enjoyable work experience. It was a great camera, but I felt I got more out of my gh5 and GH5s. Just last week I got the S1h and it was just what I was looking for in a camera for everything I do. I 100% agree with you on everything you said.
Great video Scott! I totally can see your thought process behind the reasoning. I wish I could get a C200. However, spending an extra $4000 just doesn't match the pros it has over my Pocket 4k :( I have a Pocket 4k setup that I spent about a total of $3500 on, including a Sigma 18-35mm, V-Mount battery, Cage, all that extra crap basically. And to spend nearly double that for a C200 (body only) just doesnt match up, if that makes any sense at all lol. Even though a C200 would actually meet what I need more, 7k for body only is just out of the budget. But like I said great video homey.
Keep in mind, most cinema cameras will never be as “sharp” as something like a gh5 because sharpness isn’t what people always like. Watch most movies in theaters, things aren’t that sharp usually.
@@scottmckenna I can relate to what you're saying it's gentler on close ups for sure. In fact I think the camera handles faces really well, detailed compositions are not as impressive, but again I haven't shot RAW yet.
I've been following your videos and learned a lot from them. Especially wedding videography. One question though. Why didn't you go with S1h? It has good autofocus and all those things you want. Also a cheaper price. Any comments on that?
It bothers me too, but unfortunately that’s the downfall of having a strong daylight type of office. This is on manual and we aren’t changing settings at all, that’s the light in the room changing.
Congrats, great video...FYI, not sure if you are aware, you can get an EF adapter with a built-in Filter for your EOS R as well. You can use more economical EF glass, have built-in NDs and small form factor...
Hi Scott, love your videos about cameras and you sharing your video experience. Question - I love to travel and have been using a lot of canon DSLR's before; but they are bulky. Have been thinking of getting a GH5 especially since its mirrorless. How is the Canon EOS R ( I am biased towards canon because of the many Canon lenses that I already have) in comparison to the GH5. My goal is make videos for my personal/family viewing. Ty
I also changed from GH4 and GH5 last spring to a C200 and a EOS R. I'm quite happy with my choice also but i miss 1080/120 and IBIS from my GH5. Otherwise they are both great cameras.
What is the actual crop factor? I know it's a "Super 35", but with this term manufacturers label all kind of sensors. What eq. field of view is a 24mm lens producing on the C200, for example.
I shoot everything 10-bit and the C200 is not designed to shoot RAW continuously for hours on end. I shot a 3 day medical conference last December with GH5 cameras running 10-bit all day long and it's been the best live event footage I've shot in the past 10 years. If the C200 had 10-bit IPB recording I would be all over it.
Great to hear your thoughts on this, Scott! And for the level you're aiming at for Scaling Creative I totally get the switch. I love my GH5 and A7iii combo - they complement each other very well! Btw. have you checked out the Panasonic SH1?
Yes, it’s a great option for us for sure. I’ve seen the S1H but it’s not something I’m interested. I won’t be getting any more small body cameras like that.
I don't know, that Panasonic S1H is a beast. Have you seen its specs compared to the C200? Also, if the Fuji X-T4 rumors are true, it'll be even better.
Scott, thx for sharing this. I want to upgrade from a GH5/5DIV setup towards something that allows for more DR and Raw capabilities. Hence my interest in your video. My choice is narrowed down to a C200 or an S1H/Atomos combo. That is not an easy choice as I expect both setups to be a substantial upgrade. I will use this mainly for documentary/interview work. Assuming the launch of the S1H did not go unnoticed :-), I have a question for you: would you have chosen for the C200 if the S1H was available at that time? Thx, Frank
Yes I would still choose the C200. Still has some things are vitally important to me that the S1H didn't. Autofocus being one of them, battery life another, and XLR inputs.
So I have a genuine question, why not go with the route of the BMPCC6K? BM Raw is pretty insane and works well in premiere now that they have plugin support. It has a higher res and more dynamic range. It also uses canon mount. Sure the AF is awful, but if youre doing commercial work, you should be racking focus using an electronic follow focus. Just a curiosity I have.
Lots of reasons. I mentioned most of them in this video. Auto focus is super important and useful in talking head interview situations. Saying that you “should” be racking focus in commercial work is not a correct statement. You SHOULD rack focus if you’re camera has terrible AF, but if your camera has amazing AF, you’re doing much better than anyone who rocks focus. I can shoot at 1.2 aperture and never miss focus on talking head style work and that’s important. But regardless, it’s all about what type of work you do. My video explains all my reasons and why it makes the most sense for ME
Can anyone answer how the extended nd (8/10stops) looks? Is it useful or is there bad colour shift etc. Thoughts. It’s one of the main reasons I would choose this camera over the c100mii
Thanks indeed for the great video. I loved the details you have about this camera. However, what is your gut telling you when it comes to 2020 ? Any guess that Canon would release a C200 Mark II for example ? this camera has been in the market for a while now. I know that no one has the answer because I called Canon today myself and the sales guy told me that the only one that has been released recently was the Canon EOS c500 Mark II. I also know that the EOS c300 Mark III will be released soon. I am not sure why there is no rumors around a new C200. I will honestly cry if I bought the C200 today and next month they tell me there is a new C200 and it has 4K 10 bit
The C200 is really an amazing camera - killer. BUT... why didn't to wait a bit and switch to the C500 Mark II? No saying that you decision is wrong - it surely is a very good decision. Just wondering.
Very nice video, and very interesting. And i agree, if you feel comfortable with your camera, it's the right camera for you, regardless what anybody (who does not pay your bills) says. But one point surprised me. I have been using the Black Magic BMPCC 4K in RAW only. Raw is the reason I bought it. I apply a REC709 LUT to the display (not to the file), and when I load the file into my editor (DaVinci), it also applies the same LUT, but I still have access to all the RAW goodies (esp white balance, white level, black level, etc...). And there's literally *zero* extra work. Could you explain the extra work on the Canon when shooting in raw. I plan to buy one, but if the workflow gets too heavy, I'll skip it... Thanks, for your time reading this comment and, hopefully, answering it.
Perception is incredibly impotent. If I hired a guy to do aerial photography and he turned up with a DJI Spark, I'm not going to have high hopes for the outcome.
For the amount of money you save with the BM6K (less than half the price). you can buy a cage and many decent external batteries to make up for it. Anyway. The C200 is a great camera - just sooo expensive for what you get.
Yes, the BM6K has terrible AF which is important to us, terrible battery life internally, no rotatable screen, and tons of other things we aren’t happy with it. Definitely pros and cons of every camera for sure.
Cool Scott, Thanks for inspiration. Maybe I switch to new stuff for next year. GH still enough for me:) P. S. I agree Canon have cool colors straight out of camera! Good luck in next chapter of your journey 😎🎬😎
My problem with canon is there's simply no stepping stone. Like you said their flagship dslm isn't a camera you'd want to use as an A cam where as the GH5 is perfect at being an A, B or C cam and a great stepping stone along the way to something like the Eva 1. Canon shoot themselves in the foot with their philosophy on pushing people to purchase their highest end camera. I would love to shoot canon for all the reasons you've stated but there's nothing to buy at the GH5's price range that can even come close to it sadly.
helpful video to know my own camera better. how do you record multiple sources of audio on the c200 simeltaneously? I cannot seem to find any tutorials on this. I can only toggle between XLR inputs and the mic. How editable is your mp4's? I cannot seem to edit it smoothly on my macbook pro 2016 even though I've heard it should be easy! Whats your editing set up?
Take the c200 to a wedding and shoot raw you wont regret it! I do its amazing and I have to disagree with you on the workflow. Mp4 And raw in resolve are identical.
Yeah man been using the c200 since it came out for all my wedding film work. 1tb ssd lasts around 2 hours. So easy to edit and grade in resolve. No need to worry about baked in white balance. You can really make some awesome motion pictures in raw.
my experience with gh5 and atomos: -battery of atomos is bad -monitoring with not sync audio (recorded sync). +-footage isn't much better in prores HQ. -no advantage anymore of a light and compact GH5, cumbersome and adds weight for gimbal use.
Not right now I wouldn’t have. While I do like the additional options and features, it’s almost $10K more per body which isn’t cheap. The C200’s are great for us right now. The C500 line or something else is something we’ll consider down the road.
Zcam when fully rigged looks like a RED. Spec wise it blows the c200 out of the water for a fraction of the price. No AF is the only downfall but the developers are developing Time of Flight AF system
There is mini XLR but not widely used, some cameras like the black magic pocket use it though but you need to use it with an adapter to use full size XLR's
With time the headphone jack on smartphones also evolved. But it evolved to Bluetooth without a built-in wired alternative. Is that an improvement for professional video production? Not all product evolution is good for everyone. XLR works well for so many people that changing it would be even harder than smartphones removing the headphone jack.
Fantastic choice, the C200 is a beast of a camera.
It sure is. I’ve been loving it so far.
Hello Armando,
You also create awesome content, question for you, What Cfast Card do you use for your C200.
Thank you.
Carlos Castillo Thanks man, I use Angelbird.
Armando Ferreira awesome media! Thank you. For the insights.
I got the Delkin Cfast media so far so good.
Cheers
see your C500 II~
Buying the C200 for our work has been brilliant. That 8bit codec is amazing! And then the raw....... love it!
Glad you are happy with it. Us too.
Great video Scott. Your last comment is definitely more important than a lot of people think. I started out shooting music videos (over 20 years ago) and now do a lot of interviews with senior execs. One thing is common between both. People like to see a big pro looking camera. At a gig the crowd react completely differently - what they are watching suddenly seems important. An event. Same with interviews. Big camera - serious stuff and everyone feels valued. Shouldn't matter but it absolutely does.
I need you to make a video how to stay motivated while you're working for yourself.... There is no boss behind my back and the projects got complicated its very easy to do everything else than work :)
Nice idea for a video.
I COMPLETELY understand what you’re saying 😭
You don't need motivation. Just stay fucked.
@Caleb P oohhh really??? are you on my channel??? Nice... Love to see you there... Cheers
My say in this is this: if you're getting distracted - then the things in the first place are not interesting for you. Same with me. I am a musician by hearth and I have been making music for my whole life. I still do it to this day, but it isn't my income source. Whenever I make music - I make music, I can get lost in time and never ever get distracted by anything. But for the money I make videos. And here I get distracted all the time, because making videos isn't something i love 100%. I love making videos, it is a creative work too, but if I could - 80% of the projects I wouldn't be doing. So there's that. Most of my distraction comes in a form of browsing youtube videos for information and I'm kind of OK with that, doesn't bother me that much :)
Definitely not a stupid decision to invest in the Canon cinema line.
I agree.
@@scottmckenna I've had the C200 for nearly a year & love it....finally got an EOS R & love that these 2 pair nicely with C-LOG! Great vid - thx for posting!
All true, you have to go with what gets the job done not what "professionals" use. This is why I switched away from DSLRs to the Canon Cinema line a long time ago. In camera audio is fantastic and the auto focus is a game changer for the types of shots you can get.
I love the switch to Canon. I'm using the XC10 at the moment and i love it! At the moment i do much of run and gun shoots, but for commercial work i miss to have a C200. You are right about the clients who think that bigger camera's are better.
They are working out great for us for sure.
How is xc10? I love my GH4s and m50 ... debating on xc10 for awhile now just Haven’t gotten it yet lol
I cant stop hearing you say "RAWWLLLL" when you Raw.
Love these cameras!! So many benefits (comes at a price.. but still!) they are so worth it.
Thanks for the info!
I agree. I’ve been very happy with it.
Months after seeing this video and thinking "ugg Scott's nuts for ditching the GH5" I'm considering the C200, C300 Mark II, or C500 Mark II (C500 is really the one I'm eyeballing, but that price tag...) But they just make so much sense for commercial and corporate work. I'm seriously considering selling my 2 P4Ks, and GH5 now that I'm leaving weddings behind and just getting a Canon Cinema Cam.
I went the other way! Canon C100 to GH5. Disappointed Canon never made a C100 mk3/XC10 mix. C200 looks a great camera but I've filmed whole conferences on 2 GH5s (plugged into the mains), xlr sound and been very happy with the performance. We are lucky to have so many choices
Love the line its Important to get the right camera for what you do not what people think.
Honestly, I'm surprised it took you this long to make that leap.
The GH5 is great, but it's better for wedding, you need to be compact and ready to rock and roll.
The C200 is great when you can have multiple takes.
Depending on what I can raise, I'm picking up the XA45.
We’ve been very happy with it so far.
Now imagine my s1h :P
Jonathan Laporte I want one sooooo baaaddd 😭😭😭
@@Slesaint17 everyone needs a s1h in there life!
Stamina Video hell yeah
This video has all the sense in the world of being.
Keep growing with your entire team lml
Thanks my friend.
Brandon li made a UK tv commercial containing footage from his a6500. Marcus brown using a red to vlog...lol
"Rawl"
I'm glad you brought up the look of the body itself. I was making a mental note that while not a "huge" deal, it can matter to some clients. I used the C200 on a short film this year and that LOG was so awesome to color grade.
It matters more than people like to admit. If a client doesn’t think you look professional, it makes a difference. That’s all there is to it.
@@scottmckenna I've had brides asking me what gear I use, not sure if it really mattered, but still.
I would love to see some of your footage from the C200 !
Definitely lots coming. We are still dialing in exact color and grading and things so once we do, we’ll definitely report back.
Amen, been using the C200 since last spring and although it´s not ideal for every run&gun job but it just keeps making me happy every time I check the footage in my computer + the it just works like a real workhorse... BTW I got the solid pod (1T) for the RAW recording.
i'm 7 minutes into this video and i clearly see you do what works for you. and add to it. that's a pretty cool
Both these camera's are on my shopping list.
Great cameras
We love our C200!
It really does mater what clients think (even when they're wrong), and its better to turn up to corporate gig with a camera that 'looks' more professional.
I almost sold my C200 a few months back.... I was fed up with carrying it around when the GH5 is so much easier to travel with. But I'm glad I didn't, and you've just reinforced my own reasons for keeping it.
I'm interested to know how you expose in CLOG or CLOG3. I use the Line+spot option on the waveform, and expose a gray card to 'just' under 40 IRE.
In post, I use Canon's standard CLOG to 709 LUT, and add a little contrast with the pivot point set to -20.
This actually gets me really close to the look of the GH5 in its natural profile (same settings you use), so its possible to mix the cameras without too much trouble.
Also, if you get chance... try a 55-250 STM lens with IS. Its a cheap lens but honestly suprisingly great. Light weight, and the IS is really good on it... almost as good as the GH5 IBIS, and the auto iris function works really smoothly on it if you need it.
I agree that even if they are wrong, it’s still a perception that’s important in commercial work.
Iam switching at the moment too 👌🤙
Where can we see your commercials
am i alive ? i feel like i'm in some sort of alternate universe
I have a friend who bought second-hand old Canon 1Ds2 so that he can bring along to his shoot. He usually click a few beginning shot, leave it on the table or his assistant, then switch to his 5D4 for the rest of the shoot.
1st because the battery only last around 10 minutes (old battery), second because its job is done.
On the side note, that camera can still produce stunningly good image given that the light condition is good. There is something in those camera in that era, like the 5D vintage.
i been had this camera. I havent shot in RAWL yet.
This video was so so helpful even now! I have some money to invest in cameras and I'm trying to decide wether I should try to find a used cinema camera or get an eos r with lots of accessories. Maybe even the upcoming eos R5! You should make a eos r versus c200 video.
Future proofing is always something you have to be looking to do these days. It's also good to have the equipment people may ask for or "The look", people be looking for. Some people go off just the look of something without knowing the ends and outs. I myself want to get me a IMac Pro with the highest graphics card. And I am going to get it when I am able to. Great video.
Get a custom pc and spec it out and or save money or really future proof it.
I9 get as many cores as you need. Rtx 2080, get a couple SSDs , and some HDDs, you know the basics!
@@W93h3753mwesley I have seen some videos with premiere and c200 RAW footage where the imacs are faster then the pc, just because the software isn't/wasn't optimised for pc custom spec.
Scott thanks for your honesty and helpful information. Personally I just feel better using a larger cinema camera
on a professional shoot. The perception of our paying clients is their reality... even if we're using smaller mirrorless
cameras and producing stellar results, it's just not the same. After all It is a competitve industry and there are times
when looking the part is almost as important as the finished product ( maybe??) Also it is super important to me
not to be worrying if my batteries are going to die or maybe the camera body might tweek out mid shoot.. yikes
My next purchase might be the new Sony FX9 or FX6 (depending upon the reviews and the IQ) not really sure yet or
a future C200 mk2 ...but I won't hold my breath. Bottom line I think we get what we pay for, Sure a $2500 BMPCC 6K
has incredible imagery and is affordable BUT how reliable is it and what kind of Franken-Rig does it require?
Anyways best of luck in 2020 Cheers!
Awesome video! Love the detail and completely agree. A C200 is on my list for my next purchase. It really does look like a great all-around camera.
The C200 has been a money maker for me. It is an amazing camera. I do wish there were higher compression options for the raw format though.
I agree. It’s an awesome camera.
thanks for putting out your experience with c200, it is really hard now to find a lot of real world experiences in the internet reagring c200. thanks
Glad it was helpful for you.
We love our C200 as well. The big thing I gripe about though is the start up time (damn near 10 seconds!). In live, run & gun situations you WILL miss moments. I find myself shooting with the R or C100m2 for a lot of smaller gigs. That said, the 200 is a fantastic versatile camera that can take almost anything you throw at it.
Yea the startup time is something that takes some time to get used to but it’s nowhere near as bad as something like a RED which is like 2 minutes haha.
I think you should've gone for the C500mkII, especially since you are focusing more on commercial work, that new camera picks off right where the C200 started to lack features and not only that but it also helps you future proof your content with the added 6k resolution. Maybe It's a bit overkill but that's the camera I would have chosen I were you
You do realize it’s $10,000 more right? It’s not just a flip of a coin decision.
@@scottmckenna I'm aware it's a bit of a stretch, but long term I think the investment is worth it, however as you said in the video, whenever you outgrow the camera's capabilities, that's the time to switch, so the most reasonable thing to do is to take advantage of that juicy C200 and start creating! Haha I love your channel so please don't take this comment the wrong way! I'm really a fan of your content!
He could just rent the c500mkII when he needs it and bill the client. No reason to own a camera like that, that depreciates so quickly. Unless you're gonna need its capabilities everyday.
This was extremely helpful bro! The C200 is my next camera purchase for a fact & I definitely agree with you when you said it’s all about perception sometimes when dealing with clients as I’ve been in those exact same situations where they see these dslr cameras which all share the same body & assume you have the same camera & subconsciously discredit your professionalism. I don’t want the same camera body as a 14 year old amateur videographer lol when they see the big body it separates you immediately
Glad to hear you enjoyed it. Every person has to decide don the camera that makes the most sense for them, and for us, the C200 is perfect.
I would love to see your c200 workflow! From start to finish. I just purchased one and love it.
Great video, i still love the Gh5(s) series best camera and kicked off my career! I moved to the C200 for the same reasons... still have my Gh5 to
Gh5 is still such a good camera for sure.
I went from gh5 to c200 11 months ago best move I ever did so much so the gh5 has sat in its case for the last 10 months :)
Thanks for the info. man. Loving what I keep hearing from this camera!
The auto focus...the ease of 8 bit 4k...you made some good points. I would have thought you’d go for an FS7, but getting raw “in camera” isn’t possible with it so the c200 is a better choice for that too.
Fs7 wasn’t even on my possible lists. Not a fan personally.
@@scottmckenna And could you say something more about it why not FS7, please?
The C200 is an absolute workhorse but the 8bit is not great IMO, I prefer the 2K via SDI or HMI for a quick turnaround.
I think it makes perfect sense for you guys. Though except for file format - you could put "anything" in a 500$ camera - everything else you get you pay for when you need theme : form factor (ergonomics), NDs, audio input, outputs, Canon "technology". The EVA1 is the competitor I guess.
Great video! I’ve been a Panasonic shooter for a couple of years and at the beginning of the year I decided to go all in on a 1dxmkii and that was such a huge mistake on my part because it didn’t fit my workflow and made for a not-so enjoyable work experience. It was a great camera, but I felt I got more out of my gh5 and GH5s. Just last week I got the S1h and it was just what I was looking for in a camera for everything I do. I 100% agree with you on everything you said.
Glad you found something that worked great for you. That’s what’s important.
Great video Scott! I totally can see your thought process behind the reasoning. I wish I could get a C200. However, spending an extra $4000 just doesn't match the pros it has over my Pocket 4k :( I have a Pocket 4k setup that I spent about a total of $3500 on, including a Sigma 18-35mm, V-Mount battery, Cage, all that extra crap basically. And to spend nearly double that for a C200 (body only) just doesnt match up, if that makes any sense at all lol. Even though a C200 would actually meet what I need more, 7k for body only is just out of the budget. But like I said great video homey.
Nice video Scott . Can you make a video on your setting with customize button on C200 ? Thanks
I’ll make a video about our customization options once we make them final. We are still changing things constantly to determine what’s best for us.
Welcome to the Canon fam Scott!
Thanks Ryan lol.
I just bought the C200. First impressions: it's not as sharp as GH5 but I am yet to shoot RAW and I'm still learning the colour grading process.
Keep in mind, most cinema cameras will never be as “sharp” as something like a gh5 because sharpness isn’t what people always like. Watch most movies in theaters, things aren’t that sharp usually.
@@scottmckenna I can relate to what you're saying it's gentler on close ups for sure. In fact I think the camera handles faces really well, detailed compositions are not as impressive, but again I haven't shot RAW yet.
I've been following your videos and learned a lot from them. Especially wedding videography. One question though. Why didn't you go with S1h? It has good autofocus and all those things you want. Also a cheaper price. Any comments on that?
A ton of reasons it’s not the camera for me. It’s still a mirror less, non cinema style camera.
@@scottmckenna aah I see... yes, I understand you. Well I hope it helps with your production man! Keep uploading the good stuff.
The light keeps changing throughout the video. It shouldn’t bother me, but it does. Aperture priority?
It bothers me too, but unfortunately that’s the downfall of having a strong daylight type of office. This is on manual and we aren’t changing settings at all, that’s the light in the room changing.
@@scottmckenna oh wow. Thanks for the answer. You're the man!
Great video! your passion for buttons is so entertaining haha
Congrats, great video...FYI, not sure if you are aware, you can get an EF adapter with a built-in Filter for your EOS R as well. You can use more economical EF glass, have built-in NDs and small form factor...
Yes, but you lose a ton of other things that I mentioned in this video. It’s not just the ND filters that’s the reason we switched.
Conclusion
1. AF
2. Dynamic range in raw
3. Internal nd filter
Others actually can be solved with rigging the gh5 but those 3 can’t
Good conclusions for sure.
Rizal Wy I think also the form factor of not needing to rig the C200
ProBudgetFilms well, there’s that too....but there are also pros and cons of rigging
Canon is paying a lot of these guys off. #facts
Hi Scott, love your videos about cameras and you sharing your video experience.
Question - I love to travel and have been using a lot of canon DSLR's before; but they are bulky. Have been thinking of getting a GH5 especially since its mirrorless. How is the Canon EOS R ( I am biased towards canon because of the many Canon lenses that I already have) in comparison to the GH5. My goal is make videos for my personal/family viewing. Ty
I love the EOS R. It’s definitely bigger than the GH5 though, especially if you add the big lens that I use for vlogging.
thanks for the effort and the sharing. it is wonderful to see you and your business expand. thumbs up.
Thanks a lot.
I also changed from GH4 and GH5 last spring to a C200 and a EOS R. I'm quite happy with my choice also but i miss 1080/120 and IBIS from my GH5. Otherwise they are both great cameras.
What is the actual crop factor? I know it's a "Super 35", but with this term manufacturers label all kind of sensors. What eq. field of view is a 24mm lens producing on the C200, for example.
Picking one up soon! Great video Scott.
Awesome. Enjoy it.
I shoot everything 10-bit and the C200 is not designed to shoot RAW continuously for hours on end. I shot a 3 day medical conference last December with GH5 cameras running 10-bit all day long and it's been the best live event footage I've shot in the past 10 years. If the C200 had 10-bit IPB recording I would be all over it.
Great to hear your thoughts on this, Scott! And for the level you're aiming at for Scaling Creative I totally get the switch. I love my GH5 and A7iii combo - they complement each other very well!
Btw. have you checked out the Panasonic SH1?
Yes, it’s a great option for us for sure. I’ve seen the S1H but it’s not something I’m interested. I won’t be getting any more small body cameras like that.
@@scottmckenna I was thinking for weddings. The GH5 is amazing. But maybe in couple of years :)
what's is the best camera to use for wedding shooting
I don't know, that Panasonic S1H is a beast. Have you seen its specs compared to the C200? Also, if the Fuji X-T4 rumors are true, it'll be even better.
Scott, thx for sharing this. I want to upgrade from a GH5/5DIV setup towards something that allows for more DR and Raw capabilities. Hence my interest in your video. My choice is narrowed down to a C200 or an S1H/Atomos combo. That is not an easy choice as I expect both setups to be a substantial upgrade. I will use this mainly for documentary/interview work. Assuming the launch of the S1H did not go unnoticed :-), I have a question for you: would you have chosen for the C200 if the S1H was available at that time? Thx, Frank
Yes I would still choose the C200. Still has some things are vitally important to me that the S1H didn't. Autofocus being one of them, battery life another, and XLR inputs.
@@scottmckenna thx
So I have a genuine question, why not go with the route of the BMPCC6K? BM Raw is pretty insane and works well in premiere now that they have plugin support. It has a higher res and more dynamic range. It also uses canon mount. Sure the AF is awful, but if youre doing commercial work, you should be racking focus using an electronic follow focus. Just a curiosity I have.
Lots of reasons. I mentioned most of them in this video. Auto focus is super important and useful in talking head interview situations. Saying that you “should” be racking focus in commercial work is not a correct statement. You SHOULD rack focus if you’re camera has terrible AF, but if your camera has amazing AF, you’re doing much better than anyone who rocks focus. I can shoot at 1.2 aperture and never miss focus on talking head style work and that’s important. But regardless, it’s all about what type of work you do. My video explains all my reasons and why it makes the most sense for ME
Can anyone answer how the extended nd (8/10stops) looks? Is it useful or is there bad colour shift etc. Thoughts.
It’s one of the main reasons I would choose this camera over the c100mii
Thanks indeed for the great video. I loved the details you have about this camera. However, what is your gut telling you when it comes to 2020 ? Any guess that Canon would release a C200 Mark II for example ? this camera has been in the market for a while now. I know that no one has the answer because I called Canon today myself and the sales guy told me that the only one that has been released recently was the Canon EOS c500 Mark II. I also know that the EOS c300 Mark III will be released soon. I am not sure why there is no rumors around a new C200. I will honestly cry if I bought the C200 today and next month they tell me there is a new C200 and it has 4K 10 bit
The C200 has 4k 12 bit (raw) 4:2:2 and 4k 10 bit (raw) 4:4:4
I think those things allow the BlackMagic focus assist to record in BRAW onto SSD as well.
Not yet. Just Canon c300 ii and Panasonic EVA 1 right now, but hopefully they add the c200 soon.
What’s your thoughts on the Z-Cam E2C for cinematic (short films, music videos) it’s only 800$.
The c200 & c500 ii are really good, looking forward to see what the c300 iii, 1D X iii and EOS RX will be able to do :D
Future focused
The C200 is really an amazing camera - killer. BUT... why didn't to wait a bit and switch to the C500 Mark II? No saying that you decision is wrong - it surely is a very good decision. Just wondering.
You do realize the c500 is $10k more each body right?
Very nice video, and very interesting. And i agree, if you feel comfortable with your camera, it's the right camera for you, regardless what anybody (who does not pay your bills) says. But one point surprised me. I have been using the Black Magic BMPCC 4K in RAW only. Raw is the reason I bought it. I apply a REC709 LUT to the display (not to the file), and when I load the file into my editor (DaVinci), it also applies the same LUT, but I still have access to all the RAW goodies (esp white balance, white level, black level, etc...). And there's literally *zero* extra work. Could you explain the extra work on the Canon when shooting in raw. I plan to buy one, but if the workflow gets too heavy, I'll skip it... Thanks, for your time reading this comment and, hopefully, answering it.
That's our next goal camera!! Thanks for share!!!!!!
It’s a great camera. We love it.
Summary without watching the video: You can afford it and it is simply just better than mirrorless
A 7000 camera cannot be compared to 120 camera in terms of functionality, otherwise what would be the meaning of the price difference?
This isn’t a comparison either. It’s a video titled “why we switched to the c200”. Which means we tell the reasons and the differences between them.
Nice review i'd definitely consider one of these but just waiting to see the new FS7 being a sony user before i switch over
Awesome.
Why not the EVA 1 from panasonic ?
Watch the video, compare the specs, you'll see what it's missing.
Focus and colour science were the two factors for us.
Its tough, i love my gh5 but not an EVA 1 fan. Love the c200 great choice. I hope it gets into my budget one day with some cinema glass.
Why would anyone question your choices? Nice video.
My setup is perfect for ME and that’s all that matters. It’s not for everyone.
Perception is incredibly impotent. If I hired a guy to do aerial photography and he turned up with a DJI Spark, I'm not going to have high hopes for the outcome.
@Caleb P corrected.
I want to buy one but I´m in Colombia and they don´t sell it here.
For the amount of money you save with the BM6K (less than half the price). you can buy a cage and many decent external batteries to make up for it. Anyway. The C200 is a great camera - just sooo expensive for what you get.
Yes, the BM6K has terrible AF which is important to us, terrible battery life internally, no rotatable screen, and tons of other things we aren’t happy with it. Definitely pros and cons of every camera for sure.
Cool Scott, Thanks for inspiration. Maybe I switch to new stuff for next year. GH still enough for me:)
P. S. I agree Canon have cool colors straight out of camera! Good luck in next chapter of your journey 😎🎬😎
Thanks for the kind words. We’ve been very happy with the C200’s for sure.
What camera would you recommend for a beginner?
Whatever one you can afford.
Scott, Did you end up switch from FCPX? I would love to see a video on how you process you videos from the C200! :)
We use fcpx yes.
My problem with canon is there's simply no stepping stone. Like you said their flagship dslm isn't a camera you'd want to use as an A cam where as the GH5 is perfect at being an A, B or C cam and a great stepping stone along the way to something like the Eva 1. Canon shoot themselves in the foot with their philosophy on pushing people to purchase their highest end camera. I would love to shoot canon for all the reasons you've stated but there's nothing to buy at the GH5's price range that can even come close to it sadly.
They make interesting decisions for sure. But they make a good product and people spend the money on their gear.
helpful video to know my own camera better. how do you record multiple sources of audio on the c200 simeltaneously? I cannot seem to find any tutorials on this. I can only toggle between XLR inputs and the mic. How editable is your mp4's? I cannot seem to edit it smoothly on my macbook pro 2016 even though I've heard it should be easy! Whats your editing set up?
Just have to go into audio settings and choose what you want to record on each channel.
@@scottmckenna Thanks I thought it would be this easy but was having troubles, I'll try again.
Well. You look more professional with C200 😀
Take the c200 to a wedding and shoot raw you wont regret it! I do its amazing and I have to disagree with you on the workflow. Mp4 And raw in resolve are identical.
That sounds terrible haha. Raw for a wedding? Yikes.
Yeah man been using the c200 since it came out for all my wedding film work. 1tb ssd lasts around 2 hours. So easy to edit and grade in resolve. No need to worry about baked in white balance. You can really make some awesome motion pictures in raw.
Do you ever use papemotion anymore
Can’t decide between keep my S1H setups or switch to Canon C200 😬 help!!! 😂
We love our C200. That's all I can say.
What Cfast Cards are you guys using?
I got mine like 2 months ago, pretty solid camera.
Cheers.
We are using sandisk extreme pro.
@@scottmckenna Thank you.
great channel you guys have.
Regards.
Does the C200 have shutter angle instead of shutter speed?
It can be set to either shutter angle or shutter speed.
can that go on a gimbol?
Why not GH5 with Atomos Ninja ?
Still wouldn't have many of the features that he mentioned he needed i.e built in XLR audio.
my experience with gh5 and atomos: -battery of atomos is bad -monitoring with not sync audio (recorded sync). +-footage isn't much better in prores HQ. -no advantage anymore of a light and compact GH5, cumbersome and adds weight for gimbal use.
Where can we see your other work ?
Have you used the MP4 on the Canon C200 Mark 2.
Would you have considered the C500 mkii if that had been an option when you made this decision?
Not right now I wouldn’t have. While I do like the additional options and features, it’s almost $10K more per body which isn’t cheap. The C200’s are great for us right now. The C500 line or something else is something we’ll consider down the road.
@@scottmckenna Very cool. Great channel, btw!
What about c500 Mark II ?
$10,000 more per body. That’s not even a close comparison.
Zcam when fully rigged looks like a RED. Spec wise it blows the c200 out of the water for a fraction of the price. No AF is the only downfall but the developers are developing Time of Flight AF system
No AF isn’t an option for me based on all the things I talked about.
with time, USB format evolved to mini USB then micro USB then USB C but for some reasons, XLR never evolved from its horrible large size.
Because it's reliable, easy to service and so widely accepted as a standard that it would be extremely inconvenient for production houses to switch.
There is mini XLR but not widely used, some cameras like the black magic pocket use it though but you need to use it with an adapter to use full size XLR's
thats because you are an idiot sir!
@@98JamesNixon If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
With time the headphone jack on smartphones also evolved. But it evolved to Bluetooth without a built-in wired alternative. Is that an improvement for professional video production? Not all product evolution is good for everyone. XLR works well for so many people that changing it would be even harder than smartphones removing the headphone jack.