There is a mormon belief that men become gods in the afterlife, “rulers of their heavenly kingdoms” and all that. Chuck’s behavior falls in line with that idea pretty well I think
That's very interesting, I didn't know that! I think so as well. Maybe not necessarily implying that all rulers would be like that, but when you could rule over your own heaven, you might 'get bored' and 'restart' it once in a while!
@@chromeshellking IMO it’s no different than having kids and going through all the steps. I mean do you think that this being the case you are all of a sudden alone or lonely? You are still living life, just another stage, why would you get bored of life? And no, Chuck is nothing close to the whole Mormon thing.
Almost there. God / Chuck was good parent helping out his creations. While making it appear like he didn't care. Example leviathan season had one episode with Roman god of time & I remember said God saying something like I have been to future & there's only black oozes. But season ends with leader of leviathan getting his head cut off. God / Chuck intervening & making it possible for dean & sam have chance of defeating leviathans. Think about Chuck killing jack if Chuck didn't kill jack, Jack wouldn't have had chance get his soul back & jack without soul was danger to whole world. God / Chuck allow all his creations freewill up to point said creation destroys the world. Hopefully you got point am trying make.
I dunno man, my characters tend to often drift from what I planned. I don't get angry about it, I just follow along to see how it goes. Usually the result of this is a better story than the one I had planned.
@@steverobertson1729sometimes, when you create a story and have a plan for your characters, you end up writing a bit off angle, causing them to slowly change from what you originally wanted. It’s like trying to draw a straight line, but messing up the original angle, and so it skews it.
Also john winchester is God / God true personality not Chuck personality. Remember seeing episodes with sam & dean as children and one of them having that world greatest dad mug but it broke. If that didn't happen remember episode with Ramiel Prince of Hell & how he pulled out the same stop watch that Chuck usages see future & how mary winchester reacted once she saw it Mary calm down a bit went from scared of seeing Ramiel to more relaxed. Belief God killed Ramiel & was disguising himself like Ramiel. While testing dean & once dean made right choice he allowed himself be killed by dean. Saw this behavior with a lot of villains letting me belief God / Chuck / John winchester was taking out a couple of villains, then acting like them & letting dean & sam win after they had demonstrated they were doing it for right reasons.
Great Video! I really liked the last seasons story line with Chuck as the main villain. It's such a cool take on God as a character and makes the whole series so much more layered. One thing I disagree about though: I think the reason Jack had to die was that he was an actual threat to chucks power and because of his need for control and narcissistic trade of being above everyone else, Jack had to go. As a bored writer he introduced the equaliser gun into the story to get a poetic ending of father killing his son (as mentioned in Moriah). Btw I think the gun not being used in his story and instead gets fired at him as the writer is a pretty fun way to resolve the chekhovs gun principle. I'm not sure if it was intended as such, but since you've talked about Chuck using storytelling principles, I thought I'd mention it
Such a great video, very comprehensive! Love how u divided the 3 stages of God's persona and gave examples from many seasons. "Dont Call Me Shurley' is one of my fav episodes from the show.
But at the end of the day, God was in character, I mean Supernatural ended after season 5 to me. I think God did send Kevin to heaven, season 11 was also another season that was supposed to cap the series. I don't think Chuck was intended to be the overall big bad.
I can accept seasons 5 and 11 as the end point. No shade to anyone who liked it, but I think making "God" the bad guy is really dumb. It got way too meta where the ultimate bad guy(s) was basically the writer's room writing the show. Also, with all of the other beings in the series, no matter the creative liberties they took, there was always some kind of internal logic at least loosely inspired by actual lore about supernatural beings. With God, particularly considering (I guess) he was supposed to be the Judeo-Christian God, the interpretation was frankly ridiculous and nonsensical. I could even roll with it if there was some sort of thematic point to why things were the way they were, like if they were saying something about people or religion or something about God himself, but at some point, it just devolved into "hey wouldn't it be crazy if xyz happened?" At least with the original run of 5 seasons, there was actually something they were subtextually saying about people/society/religion, faith, virtues and man's search for meaning and purpose in a Nietzchean postmodern world.
The only thing that I can summarize in the end is that Chuck is a literal hypocrite. We see constantly that Chuck writes a story, and what he writes is always supposed to come true. However, 2 different times we hear Chuck himself say that he made "free will." The first time he says it is to Donatello. He says, "I included free will in the kit." The second time he says it to Dean when they are trying to prepare to fight Amara. Dean asks Chuck to compel everyone to fight together. But Chuck says, "I invented free will for a reason." He says they have free will. Yet this is a lie since he writes their lives according to his will. But even then we see that the characters do have free will and that is why Chuck gets angry in the end because they aren't doing what he wants. So he gives them free will then gets angry when they use it. There was one other thing that bothered me. After Jack takes away his power, Chuck says, "For the first time, I have no idea what's going to happen next." If Chuck always knew what was going to happen before, then why didn't he see what was going to happen? If he has "power over space AND time," he should have known the future.
Agreed here... Hypocrisy is Peppered throughout the entire Show. However, the Boys Journey within it Out Weights all that Hypocrisy. You can clearly See the Hypocrisy in the Writer's.
“And the first Apocalypse, the first go round; You Knew Everything That Would Happen. So why the Games Chuck? Huh?! *WHY DIDN’T YOU JUST SNAP YOUR FINGERS AND END IT?!”* -Dean Winchester. Ellen & Jo Pamela Barnes *Karen Singer being temporarily resurrected just to make Bobby Kill Her Again* AND SO MANY MORE None Of This Affects Chuck Because He Wrote It To Happen. It’s not that Chuck didn’t do anything to prevent these Atrocities from happening, HE MADE THEM OCCUR. He put those innocents in the danger that killed them, He Orchestrated The Lives Of Sam And Dean: *Every Horrible Thing.* The writers made a late choice in the show to make Chuck evil, originally he was just God. But since 14x20 Chuck is The Ultimate Evil, completely different from The Will/Purpose Of God Existing. You could say in the show The Power Chuck wields just existing is the force Humans and other Entities call or acknowledge as “God.” When Jack absorbs it when he usurps Chuck’s title, power; everything expect for Chuck Himself. In our Reality God has Angels to work his will, and is why we don’t see or acknowledge his presence and intervention in our world and daily lives. *In The TV Show Chuck Had People Born Just To Die Done So To Hurt The Boys.* That’s the difference between Our Lord in reality, and the monster that “chuck” is in supernatural’s reality.
Cas once said that Chuck's books will be one day known as "The Winchester Gospel", I wonder if that came to be in the end... the story of two human brothers who killed GOD.
I agreed with you, until the ending. If chuck was real, he would be a villain. The show, the fake world of Supernatural, it is just entertainment; TO US, THE REAL LIFE AUDIENCE. But for the characters of the show, chuck's behavior had real consequences, real pain, and real loss. He hurt all of his characters simply because he could. That's evil. Just because he can zap those problems away doesnt mean they are not real problems. Dean is a war vet with severe PTSD, and little to no self-worth Sam is recovering addict, who is rittled with guilt, over events he had no control over Cas and the other angels, are just lost, powerful, ticking time bombs: that hurt and kill lesser beings at their whim. The monsters of the show exist because chuck wanted them to, he coud have gotten rid of them. Free will meant nothing, if chuck didnt like something that happened, he got rid of it. Yes, I am a fan of chuck, he is a well written villian. Other than that last point, everyhing else makes sense, great video.
I write and sometimes no matter how much you want your characters to do something the plot won't work. You can send them to the beach but the only way to make it work is when they go to the mountains.
They ruined Chuck for no reason, this is where SPN totally jumped the shark. This was a deep betrayal of the first five years of the show. Chuck would have saved Jack, Amara was the best Big Bad, the show should have ended there, simple.
Great video, but they completely retconned chuck's original character as intended by kripke in season 5. whole message was free will. so much retcon. dabb trul bucthered this great show and used chuck as a escape for his crappy writing and retcons.
Yup, everything after season 5 had a noticeable drop in quality, lore inconsistencies, etc. At least it was somewhat of an elegant and lore relevant way of explaining plot holes and the like. More than we get from other shows hahah
@@ithinkicanwrite did you see a theory video on chuck by a fan, it is much better Ithink and in line with original intentions of who God was versus the nihilistic version we get here, by ravenshore and it was elegant and perfect more so than what we got in my opinion, see the video here and give me your thoughts: ua-cam.com/video/R_UVG1PQ7og/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Ravenshorne
I could see him being a bored writer since he's been doing this for so long with so many worlds and stories eventually you'll be repeating yourself and even his ending dean killing Sam or Sam killing dean or them killing each other you can only do that so many times before that gets boring lol. I could see him being frustrated cause he's like that writer on that Babylon episode where the writer had this monologue where he said he worked so hard writing his story and the studio took it and rewrote all of it. Chuck wants to write the story but then he's always facing rewrites whether its from your own characters or from the studio I could see that get frustrating and while frustrated I can see that writer acting more like a villain lol.
Long before Chuck was revealed to be God, I had a hold that he was going to be the ultimate villain. I have a theory that Chuck planned his own defeat, I mean he could easily beat Sam, Dean and Jack, but he let them live long enough for his own defeat.
That was always my theory. There’s no way an omniscient being would not be able to wipe out the Boys. Even if you go with the “he’s half omniscient”, he combined with Amara at the end.
No offence but why in hell would you be glad Chuck was a villain it literally breaks the show and the character when he last appeared in season 11 also Chuck isn't the most powerful character amara has always been stronger
Chuck reminds me of Yaldabaoth, the Abrahamic God of the Bible as described in the Gnostic text, spoiled wrathful, destructive, belligerent. When he said to his Angels or Archons, I am the one true God, there are no other Gods but me, his mother Sophia then came down from a realm above even heaven, and said " You are wrong, Samael which means God of the Blind in whatever languages the Gnostics speak " Samael in Hebrew means the Venom or poison of God. Yeah though Chuck reminds me of this entity
it's a bit different: toys are inanimated things that have no mind or will. What Chuck did is more like growing 6 billion puppies and then decided to slaughter them all.
Of course Chuck isn't or wasn't a Representative of God The Creator. It's always fascinating tho to watch how the "World " Protrays God and who He's Suppose To Be.
Chuck is not Omnipotent nor Omniscient, but knowing the type of person chuck is. It's likey he likes being call that because it makes him feel powerful and this isn't even a theory it implied by his character when he says things like "I go all powerful" or "Im Omniscient" now yes a true person of these things could say them too but with how he acts and what stops him, It likey it just an ego boost for him.
A created being by God does not need to ask God again for what God to do for them because God has already made them for that purpose so their spirit can do it you pray you pray to yourself because in that case the spirit is different from the physical but it controls your thinking feeling and emotions so God do not respond to your prayers because the spirit he put in them can already perform what they are asking God for But even that God controls everything and everything flows through him(all authority flows through him)
I'm a writer as well. Instead of being upset that my characters strayed as put. I followed their flow and perspective. It lead to a Discovery of an interesting Journey. One where I felt the point of the reader. Learning along the way, rather than knowing all that could happen. I showed both Sympathy and Empathy for these characters. As I call them my children, but not my creation. I believe writers Discover what has always been there. Not creators of a new world. As Writers are not God.
I really hated that they made chuck a villain in season 14 because they're wasn't a build up to this revelation plus rob Benedict wasn't great at portraying a villain he was one of the weakest to me in the series the last great big bad was amara plus she's far more stronger and powerful than chuck
Okay God has always been like this. But what people don't seem to understand is that's not the actual God. It's just a person from our world making a copy of himself and put it in the show. Explains why loses power actual writer still controls the whole entire universe.
I didn't like having GOD as the final bad. I was hoping that we would find out God would have been seen throughout the series, but we didn't know. Like we would find out, he was always in the background in disguise a regular person. Till the final whe he is reviled.
Chuck story reminds me of Stephen King Stephen King writes lots of books turns into movies and he's almost always doing cameos in them kind of like stan lee but in dark tower he wrote himself in to the story and meets his characters he acted similar to Chuck but that be one explanation how he's writing all these stories and them coming true and him cameoing in bunch of the adaptation he's god in his Stephen King universe in his books and adaptation he approves of he's God lol
No wonder he's a bored writer he's literally writing the same story over and over again just changing little bits here and there that's what were supposed to think cause he's the villain of the story right well like he says he lies too and likes to act he didn't write the same story over and over again necessiarily cause like apocalypse World Sam and DEAn wasn't even born same outcome with Lucifer and Michael bit no Sam or dean killing each other or what about the rich winchesters that crossed over leaving their dad who s still alive they didn't kill each other how many worlds out there is like this did he not want to have them kill each other every time did he try other stories got bored and left but he didn't force them to kill each other like they want to make it sound like he said he's forcing the story and making them kill each other but with these exceptions how many other times did he not do this and why didn't he force the story those times like this time cause he was challenged I guess like you'd say in the other worlds he wasn't challenged he just had bunch of yes men giving him what he want so he got bored this one they challenging him very exciting lol
I hate that they made Chuck the big villain at the end, they ruined his character and it made no sense, should have just made the big villain the Empty or Jack.
What if Chuck fake persona as you say is his real persona and the real persona is his fake one what if he is a benevolent god that works in mysterious ways but seen where the story is going and that he will be challenged by Winchester them wanting it to be over and I guess somehow knowing its time to end the show like the real writers did he wrote himself as the villain going through the process like the real writers who'll be the final villain who else god that's why every time after eleven we see he's benevolent but then out of the blue at end of fourteen he's different even rob said reading it he's like what's up with Chuck cause now he's acting as the villain if he's really the villain why is he letting them know he's the villain its like he wants them to know he knows they'll turn on him knows it'll lead to final season so why unless he's doing it on purpose he loves acting he own it when amara said he's the villain they have the best lines maybe we got gods true ending maybe he was so tired so bored ready to retire thus writing jack to take his power so he can just be human or maybe he wrote that but in reality he still got the power jack thinks he got the power cause the story his fictional story says so but Chuck is nonfiction he's the writer he can write that he dies in the story but that means he dies in real life nope lol he finished his story like in season five and shutting the book the end but they talking about another season because never really ends does it lol
I thought it was right that he wss the final villain because it makes everything make sense ties everything together throughout the show even when he's on the show they talk about him and questions why he's not helping what's he doing now we know why he was never on our side lol best character on the show he's so interesting best character arc so many revelations and twists love watching fan reactions to his episodes more than others lol still got so many questions and wanna see more wanna see what he does when we don't see him wanna see him creating all the different worlds and the stories he made on those worlds wanna see him watching his favorite show always want more Chuck lol
The whole Chuck is just an author and not a villain is crap. It’s nothing even close to if I decided to write a book. It’s completely make-believe. And whatever I say goes. Chuck created people with minds of their own and then tormented them for his pleasure, of course they are going to rebel. Lol
Well God did love creation and his sister. But it was a very selfish kind of love. Like he loved his sister and creations as long as they did what he wanted. But when angered he becomes wrathful.
I think you saying "Chuck gave US" is completely wrong. Chuck is a part of the story that was given to us, and within that story, he IS the villain. You can't say he's not the villain because it's "his" story, because he isn't. He is a character in the story we're all watching. It's a weird mental flex to suddenly break the 4th wall like that as if he actually wrote the show.
Not really reinvent. God was always petty, manipulative, selfish, vain, vengeful and cruel in the Bible. This method of him manipulating everyone is pretty much on brand for the God in the Bible.
Actually you're wrong. God was never petty, manipulative, selfish, vain, vengeful, or cruel in the Bible and ultimately real life. You've only described how people have been, not God Himself. God is love, and God is good. Don't spread misinformation about the Almighty.
@@StareachValcin God is technically the Balance of all things so he can play both sides, Good or Evil He's God and can do whatever he likes He can be rageful, vengeful, good, evil, he can do all things he wants cause he's God, man literally threw meteors down at Sodem and Gomorrah, God literally has killed many humans for the Israelites to be freed, killed sinners for sinning, he can literally judge you for your sins and end you if he wanted, he's God
@@StareachValcin For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God." Exodus 34:14 "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7) Want more? This is only early passages of old testament
It does make so much sense when you look at everything that happens on the show and before the show. Automatically wanna say no he's not a bad guy he has done good and has helped no he hasn't helped all the time but I don't blame him cause thatd be boring him stepping in all the time fixing everything if anyone dies they're back if they even die at all. That's why he lies when he says he can't kill Jack or maybe not or even the darkness or anybody that'd be boring if he just snaps his fingers boom they ded. Though probably can't do that with darkness but there's be no villains in the show lol. Technically everything that has happened in the show has made dean and Sam and everyone who they are if no bad things happened they'd be so different not as entertaining of a show lol. Were the villains as much as god. This is like in cabin in the woods the viewers are evil we loved this show the villains everything lol. I kept waiting for UT to drop that chuck ain't really a bad guy he wrote himself into the show and this was his arc. Knew show was ending so like you said who'll be the best villain but god so he wrote all this. This is how he always wanted it to end lol. He's just still being a awesome actor acting like no they outsmarted me I got no power no come back!!!!! Once they leave he's like yay onto next part. Ironically like Chuck said once they get rid of Chuck dean and or Sam will die. What happens next episode lol yep they die lol. The end lol. Chuck been living as a human all this time and he still is and can be god whenever he wants to be or maybe I figured this or by the end he realizes his wrong and leaves dean and Sam to do what they want. They're free he's going to go off and make a new world or do something else and everyone is happy lol. But still awesome villain. Chuck did awesome job being a protagonist and antagonist and wrote one of if not the best shows ever. Awesome job Chuck lol.
No shade to anyone who likes it, but the show ends after season 11 for me. Season 5 feels perfectly well-rounded and complete, and it would've been a dang-near perfect show if it ended there. Seasons 6-7 were just okay imo with a handful of great episodes and ideas in there. The reason I'm Into making season 11 the finale in my own head canon is because seasons 8-11 were surprisingly really good and more or less back to form. While I like the idea of the multiverse, everything else from then on out just felt like it progressively detracted from just about everything that came before it. Making God a straight up villain makes absolutely no sense, either in the context of what "Chuck" is supposedly based on and in the context of the show itself. Idk, it should've ended in 2016 imo. At the end of the day, considering how each of the three eras of the show ended, it hurts basically nothing for anyone to decide for themselves where the show ends for them, because both the endings of seasons 5, 11 and 15 put a neat bow on what feels like a fully-rounded story up to that point without anything feeling incomplete.
Honestly, even though I don't 100% agree with you, I find your talk about Chuck fascinating. Respectfully, he is an antithesis role in my point of view but I am glad you talked about this, seeing your own point of view. I say antithesis because Chuck is what he is to me, an antithesis to everything I believe in, big rambling tangent but bare with me here. What I mean is that even though I am not a big writer like him but at least I actually do my best to genuinely care about the characters in my writing I do and unlike Chuck, if I had ruined lives of the characters I created, I should apologise and take responsibility for their lives. I hope you are doing well, Mr I think I can write and may your future be brighter than the sun.
Its funny when Sam asking if Chuck is watching them when he's not there. If you believe he's really god and since god sees and knows everything then obviously the answer is yes lol. I can see dean asking this but since Sam has a history of praying and being religious id think he would already know that answer without needing to ask it lol. Love this analysis. Been looking for one like this for a while. Always looking for analysis videos for god. They basically told you everything but at same time still leaving me with questions and wanting more. Wish we got more god especially about his history. Wish we got flashback to him watching the world through the decades on this earth and other earth's lol. Wish we got to see other worlds like the squirrel world lol and Chuck creating them and even moving on. Wanna see all that lol.
If this is true then every author is the villain cruel comprious god lol especially joss whedon he loves to torture his characters and audience definitely Stephen King so many villains but they give us what we love to watch and read lol. All the best stories has what you said loss stakes deaths lots of bad stuff cause without that the good stuff wouldn't be as good lol. Wed take life for grated characters too they'd take god for granted like they did with castiel. Csdtiel how dean made it seem like is only useful for his powers if he don't have them to fix everything then he's just a baby in a trench coat lol.
16:40 *Imagen that your characters have come to life* Umm.... No! If your characters have somehow come to life, it's your responsibility to not be an asshole.
I've never watched this show, but have an aunt who is obsessed with it and has probably watched all 327 episodes at least ten times each. I don't know whether the portrayal of "God" in this series is the height of blasphemy against the real Divinity; or, whether it's so stupid that no one with two brain cells in a row could possibly believe that Chuck is really supposed to be the real thing in the show.
wouldn't that by logic mean Chuck is not all knowing all powerful if Chuck didn't see or didn't stop this ending. unless Chuck wanted you to think he lost? when all the time he had even more power?
Great video. I like to think that Chuck still has his God powers and that the ending was all part of his grand story. The Winchesters defeat God and ride off into the sunset. It gives the story a climactic ending. It's the only ending that doesn't bore him.
Always love revisiting this video and watching it again and again lol most fascinating character in supernatural always wish we got more of him lol. Was just watching the quantum leap finale the god in that is very Chuck like lol. You can watch his reaction to Sams bewilderment and questions that he knows everything that's happening but playing dumb letting on as episode goes that he does know everything but still not wanting to tell Sam yet lol. He's playing with Sam amusing himself Building himself up lol. I always thought Chuck purposely wrote himself in the story as the villain knowing that he'll be the main villain in the final season. How can you get bigger than God the ultimate antagonist lol. Maybe the story went how he really wanted it to lol. Did jack really became god or did he just in the story Chuck wrote lol. Maybe Chuck is still god watching the show like us while the characters in the story in the show think hey we won jack is god now lol
Foreshadowing is my Ability Alone I might be a prophet I have too much coincidences in my day Dont blame me for thinking i might be psychic when you hear about my experiences
Chuck is similar to that writer guy in Hollywood Babylon lol cept instead everything he writes is changed by his characters that guy had everything he wrote changed by the people above him who rewrote everything and Really ticked him off and finally turned him into a villain summoning ghosts to kill the crew of the movie and some cast especially the dude in charge that was really changing his vision. Lots of writers band directors feel like this frustrated with changes against their vision and almost feel powerless in a way cause its like what can they do? And that ticks them off too just like Chuck felt the characters not the people above him lol. Though it kind of is cause the writers of the show are above him writing everything that happens so he's like locked in and is pissed with his lack of freedom to do whatever he wants just like Sam and dean feel like they are lol.
You know what really would have been interesting? After the end of credits a bonus scene. A galactic starship or space center - then we are taken to the inside of the bustling hub of activity. We are moved to a double door whose lights above turn off like an unoccupied sign of an airplane restroom. Chuck dressed up in a futuristic starship uniform exits the room. "Computer: End Program " . An acknowledging beep is heard. He then turns and begins to depart, hesitates and then says, "Computer, save Chuck 3421 for now and encrypt. Delete all prior versions." Another beep in response. Chuck seems particularly satisfied as he leaves and the scene fades to black.
Think about it this way, If you write a story involving your favorite character, not a fanfic, but a legit original story, you will write it how you wish. It doesn't matter what you do in this story because writing it comes from you and your source of creativity. So knowing that, when you write your own story, you are telling it in a way that makes you happy and whole, and sometimes others might like it, other times they might not, but the whole point is that you wrote a story that you enjoyed and loved. So reading all of that, is chuck a villain? No. If you think that chuck is the villain of the story then you must also think J.K Rowling is the villain of the harry potter franchise, or H.P. Lovecraft with all of his Eldritch stories and such, hell even the DC and Marvel verses are included in this.
@@ithinkicanwrite You don't think it's the same? Harry Potter Literally had his parents killed when he was an infant, J.K. Wrote it so Voldemort tried to kill him in all the movies and book, He literally died and came back to life in the last fight against him, but right it's not the same...
It's honestly not that much difference from the depiction of god's personality in the bible. The actions in that book do show someone who is obsessed with controlling others, being praised and worshipped, and punishing people with torture and death for not following his often arbitrary, even, harmful, rules. I really enjoyed the way this show slips the mask off those behaviors, revealing them as toxic, by embodying them and grounding them in the character of Chuck.
Does this analysis of the God of the bible = Chuck come from an honest reading to understand the message of the bible and character of God, or a superficial one? Quite honestly, I think the charcater of Chuck is the perfect embodiment of the way people believe God to be when they've misunderstood what and why things happened the way they did in the Bible. I totally agree, if the show was correct in portraying who God is in Chuck, then they did an excellent job and I believe @I Think I Can Write summarized his character well in this video....but truthfully, God is not like Chuck at all
Supernatural's portrayal of God is nothing like the actual God, especially in the last 2 seasons of supernatural. It's as simple as that. God is, was, and will always be good.
I would ike to point out that Sam Winchester is the worst person in the entire Multiverse for the simple fact he was willing to destroy everything just because of what God did to Jack if the equalizer had worked the entire universe would have been destroyed because Sam was upset about Jack being dead
This is a good analysis video of the character of Chuck Shurley, but in all honesty, I think supernatural disrespected God, rather than reinvent God. God in actuality is, was, and should always be good. Supernatural's first mistake was making "God" as flawed as humans, but I was able to forgive this mistake because the series made Chuck likable. The second mistake of supernatural was making Dean and eventually Sam disrespectful to "God". It's mainly a sign of human arrogance to think that you know better than "God". The biggest mistake that supernatural made was making "God" the final villain of supernatural. The series had already run out of good ideas for villains after using Lucifer in season 5. Also creating a new villain with the darkness, and stating that it is the sister of "God", shows that supernatural could never make a more powerful villain. I will never forgive supernatural for making "God" not only the final villain, but the overarching villain of the entire series. God is the creator of life, the light, and the ultimate good, but supernatural made Him a flawed writer, the true villain, and the ultimate evil, which goes completely against who God is. While Chuck got the comeuppance he deserved, it was a disservice to God, and it made no sense for the Winchester brothers and Jack to win at all. There's no way God could have been defeated by his own creations. Another thing I didn't like is that Chuck had a chance to be redeemed, but the show doesn't take it. Another disservice to God. After season 15, I officially hate supernatural as a whole, and hope it is done for good. It did a disservice to God and I will never forgive it for that. God is, was, and should always be good.✝️
I agree with them not being able to defeat Chuck and possible redemption but it is a misconception in religion that God is supposed to be all good. God at his very core is a supreme deity and creator of all things which means moral authority doesn't really apply to him. And on a biblical sense well read the bible, God's a manipulative and controlling prick in there too.
@@tyrellmcintyre1662 I respectfully disagree. God is all good. There's no misconception about that. In no sense has God been manipulative as they made Him in supernatural.
@@StareachValcin I don’t think god is manipulative at all either. If he upholds free will then god can’t be. But I don’t think god can be all good cuz he’s the creator so logic dictates he more than likely play both sides of good evil cuz that’s the balance of all creation.
@@tyrellmcintyre1662 God can be the creator and all good because nothing is impossible with God. God can balance all of creation without playing the side of evil. God is goodness in its entirety.
We never did get to meet God in Supernatural (you'll never convince me Chuck was God. He wasnt)., but I think thats fitting. Even for Death to show up was a bit of a stretch for me, as he's an entity just about in the same power bracket as God. The real God isnt ever going to show up in a meat suit on Earth. That'd be like if you or I poked our head inside an ANT HILL.....if that was even physically possible. But to call a character like Chuck, who is ARROGANT, MANIPULATIVE, COLD and PETTY, to call him God is just blasphemy.
Its supernaturals version of god, not the real one if he exists. But cuz we dont have any evidence of god in real life, we also dont have any non-evidence of a selfish god in our world.
There is a mormon belief that men become gods in the afterlife, “rulers of their heavenly kingdoms” and all that.
Chuck’s behavior falls in line with that idea pretty well I think
That's very interesting, I didn't know that! I think so as well. Maybe not necessarily implying that all rulers would be like that, but when you could rule over your own heaven, you might 'get bored' and 'restart' it once in a while!
What about Tom Petty?
im content just being at peace when dead. The idea of being god to your own world is a bit much for my plate.
@@chromeshellking What about Tom Petty?
@@chromeshellking IMO it’s no different than having kids and going through all the steps. I mean do you think that this being the case you are all of a sudden alone or lonely? You are still living life, just another stage, why would you get bored of life? And no, Chuck is nothing close to the whole Mormon thing.
im a big chuck fan too, I am a writer and author myself it has taught me a lot about myself as a writer. I am God, of my book universe too. lol.
Almost there. God / Chuck was good parent helping out his creations. While making it appear like he didn't care. Example leviathan season had one episode with Roman god of time & I remember said God saying something like I have been to future & there's only black oozes. But season ends with leader of leviathan getting his head cut off. God / Chuck intervening & making it possible for dean & sam have chance of defeating leviathans. Think about Chuck killing jack if Chuck didn't kill jack, Jack wouldn't have had chance get his soul back & jack without soul was danger to whole world. God / Chuck allow all his creations freewill up to point said creation destroys the world. Hopefully you got point am trying make.
Holy shit, that makes so much sense, dude! Wow! 😲
I dunno man, my characters tend to often drift from what I planned. I don't get angry about it, I just follow along to see how it goes. Usually the result of this is a better story than the one I had planned.
I think it can be.
Theyre YOUR characters, so how do they "drift"? Youre in control of them
@@steverobertson1729sometimes, when you create a story and have a plan for your characters, you end up writing a bit off angle, causing them to slowly change from what you originally wanted.
It’s like trying to draw a straight line, but messing up the original angle, and so it skews it.
So you had a different idea? You did not have to say that in such a flowery way.
Also john winchester is God / God true personality not Chuck personality. Remember seeing episodes with sam & dean as children and one of them having that world greatest dad mug but it broke. If that didn't happen remember episode with Ramiel Prince of Hell & how he pulled out the same stop watch that Chuck usages see future & how mary winchester reacted once she saw it Mary calm down a bit went from scared of seeing Ramiel to more relaxed. Belief God killed Ramiel & was disguising himself like Ramiel. While testing dean & once dean made right choice he allowed himself be killed by dean. Saw this behavior with a lot of villains letting me belief God / Chuck / John winchester was taking out a couple of villains, then acting like them & letting dean & sam win after they had demonstrated they were doing it for right reasons.
Great Video! I really liked the last seasons story line with Chuck as the main villain. It's such a cool take on God as a character and makes the whole series so much more layered. One thing I disagree about though: I think the reason Jack had to die was that he was an actual threat to chucks power and because of his need for control and narcissistic trade of being above everyone else, Jack had to go. As a bored writer he introduced the equaliser gun into the story to get a poetic ending of father killing his son (as mentioned in Moriah).
Btw I think the gun not being used in his story and instead gets fired at him as the writer is a pretty fun way to resolve the chekhovs gun principle. I'm not sure if it was intended as such, but since you've talked about Chuck using storytelling principles, I thought I'd mention it
Such a great video, very comprehensive! Love how u divided the 3 stages of God's persona and gave examples from many seasons. "Dont Call Me Shurley' is one of my fav episodes from the show.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Agreed, that episode is definitely one of the best!
hell you could do another whole video on the "God is a writer" philosphe. And compare it to real life. Its a philosphe I strongly believe in.
Now that u hv explained it makes some sense as to why supernatural made god last monster..
But at the end of the day, God was in character, I mean Supernatural ended after season 5 to me. I think God did send Kevin to heaven, season 11 was also another season that was supposed to cap the series. I don't think Chuck was intended to be the overall big bad.
I can accept seasons 5 and 11 as the end point. No shade to anyone who liked it, but I think making "God" the bad guy is really dumb. It got way too meta where the ultimate bad guy(s) was basically the writer's room writing the show. Also, with all of the other beings in the series, no matter the creative liberties they took, there was always some kind of internal logic at least loosely inspired by actual lore about supernatural beings. With God, particularly considering (I guess) he was supposed to be the Judeo-Christian God, the interpretation was frankly ridiculous and nonsensical. I could even roll with it if there was some sort of thematic point to why things were the way they were, like if they were saying something about people or religion or something about God himself, but at some point, it just devolved into "hey wouldn't it be crazy if xyz happened?" At least with the original run of 5 seasons, there was actually something they were subtextually saying about people/society/religion, faith, virtues and man's search for meaning and purpose in a Nietzchean postmodern world.
I applaud you for this video! Being a huge Chuck fan, I was impressed!
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
The only thing that I can summarize in the end is that Chuck is a literal hypocrite. We see constantly that Chuck writes a story, and what he writes is always supposed to come true. However, 2 different times we hear Chuck himself say that he made "free will." The first time he says it is to Donatello. He says, "I included free will in the kit." The second time he says it to Dean when they are trying to prepare to fight Amara. Dean asks Chuck to compel everyone to fight together. But Chuck says, "I invented free will for a reason."
He says they have free will. Yet this is a lie since he writes their lives according to his will. But even then we see that the characters do have free will and that is why Chuck gets angry in the end because they aren't doing what he wants. So he gives them free will then gets angry when they use it.
There was one other thing that bothered me. After Jack takes away his power, Chuck says, "For the first time, I have no idea what's going to happen next." If Chuck always knew what was going to happen before, then why didn't he see what was going to happen? If he has "power over space AND time," he should have known the future.
SEE THIS IS WHAT GOT ME AND NY BRAIN CANT COMPREHEND IT SO IT INVALIDATES THE ENTIRE SHOW FOR ME
Agreed here... Hypocrisy is Peppered throughout the entire Show. However, the Boys Journey within it Out Weights all that Hypocrisy. You can clearly See the Hypocrisy in the Writer's.
@@isaacraid9975WHY ARE YOU YELLING?
@@accidentalmadness1708 CAUSE I GET A LITTLE EXCITED SOMETIMES MY BAD
This is a rather insightful video. Really underrated.
Thank you for the kind words!
“And the first Apocalypse, the first go round; You Knew Everything That Would Happen. So why the Games Chuck? Huh?! *WHY DIDN’T YOU JUST SNAP YOUR FINGERS AND END IT?!”* -Dean Winchester.
Ellen & Jo
Pamela Barnes
*Karen Singer being temporarily resurrected just to make Bobby Kill Her Again* AND SO MANY MORE
None Of This Affects Chuck Because He Wrote It To Happen. It’s not that Chuck didn’t do anything to prevent these Atrocities from happening, HE MADE THEM OCCUR. He put those innocents in the danger that killed them, He Orchestrated The Lives Of Sam And Dean: *Every Horrible Thing.*
The writers made a late choice in the show to make Chuck evil, originally he was just God. But since 14x20 Chuck is The Ultimate Evil, completely different from The Will/Purpose Of God Existing. You could say in the show The Power Chuck wields just existing is the force Humans and other Entities call or acknowledge as “God.” When Jack absorbs it when he usurps Chuck’s title, power; everything expect for Chuck Himself.
In our Reality God has Angels to work his will, and is why we don’t see or acknowledge his presence and intervention in our world and daily lives.
*In The TV Show Chuck Had People Born Just To Die Done So To Hurt The Boys.*
That’s the difference between Our Lord in reality, and the monster that “chuck” is in supernatural’s reality.
Cas once said that Chuck's books will be one day known as "The Winchester Gospel", I wonder if that came to be in the end... the story of two human brothers who killed GOD.
I didn't like the way God was portrayed in supernatural either. I thought it was disrespectful to Christianity. I thought it was very discrimination.
I was personally hoping that each Universe had their own chuck and darkness but they didn't go that route and still turned out pretty good though
I agreed with you, until the ending. If chuck was real, he would be a villain. The show, the fake world of Supernatural, it is just entertainment; TO US, THE REAL LIFE AUDIENCE. But for the characters of the show, chuck's behavior had real consequences, real pain, and real loss. He hurt all of his characters simply because he could. That's evil. Just because he can zap those problems away doesnt mean they are not real problems.
Dean is a war vet with severe PTSD, and little to no self-worth
Sam is recovering addict, who is rittled with guilt, over events he had no control over
Cas and the other angels, are just lost, powerful, ticking time bombs: that hurt and kill lesser beings at their whim.
The monsters of the show exist because chuck wanted them to, he coud have gotten rid of them.
Free will meant nothing, if chuck didnt like something that happened, he got rid of it.
Yes, I am a fan of chuck, he is a well written villian.
Other than that last point, everyhing else makes sense, great video.
The ending still did not make any sense, like at all‼️ Especially the whole thing with Jack
I absolutely LOVED the personification of God in this series!
Me too! So interesting!
I write and sometimes no matter how much you want your characters to do something the plot won't work. You can send them to the beach but the only way to make it work is when they go to the mountains.
They ruined Chuck for no reason, this is where SPN totally jumped the shark. This was a deep betrayal of the first five years of the show. Chuck would have saved Jack, Amara was the best Big Bad, the show should have ended there, simple.
Great video, but they completely retconned chuck's original character as intended by kripke in season 5. whole message was free will. so much retcon. dabb trul bucthered this great show and used chuck as a escape for his crappy writing and retcons.
Yup, everything after season 5 had a noticeable drop in quality, lore inconsistencies, etc. At least it was somewhat of an elegant and lore relevant way of explaining plot holes and the like. More than we get from other shows hahah
@@ithinkicanwrite did you see a theory video on chuck by a fan, it is much better Ithink and in line with original intentions of who God was versus the nihilistic version we get here, by ravenshore and it was elegant and perfect more so than what we got in my opinion, see the video here and give me your thoughts: ua-cam.com/video/R_UVG1PQ7og/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Ravenshorne
I could see him being a bored writer since he's been doing this for so long with so many worlds and stories eventually you'll be repeating yourself and even his ending dean killing Sam or Sam killing dean or them killing each other you can only do that so many times before that gets boring lol. I could see him being frustrated cause he's like that writer on that Babylon episode where the writer had this monologue where he said he worked so hard writing his story and the studio took it and rewrote all of it. Chuck wants to write the story but then he's always facing rewrites whether its from your own characters or from the studio I could see that get frustrating and while frustrated I can see that writer acting more like a villain lol.
Long before Chuck was revealed to be God, I had a hold that he was going to be the ultimate villain.
I have a theory that Chuck planned his own defeat, I mean he could easily beat Sam, Dean and Jack, but he let them live long enough for his own defeat.
That was always my theory.
There’s no way an omniscient being would not be able to wipe out the Boys.
Even if you go with the “he’s half omniscient”, he combined with Amara at the end.
No offence but why in hell would you be glad Chuck was a villain it literally breaks the show and the character when he last appeared in season 11 also Chuck isn't the most powerful character amara has always been stronger
Chuck reminds me of Yaldabaoth, the Abrahamic God of the Bible as described in the Gnostic text, spoiled wrathful, destructive, belligerent. When he said to his Angels or Archons, I am the one true God, there are no other Gods but me, his mother Sophia then came down from a realm above even heaven, and said " You are wrong, Samael which means God of the Blind in whatever languages the Gnostics speak " Samael in Hebrew means the Venom or poison of God. Yeah though Chuck reminds me of this entity
Same Exact Thing I Thought
Did Chuck really do anything bad he killed people but he created them like if you make toys to be broken your allowed to break them
it's a bit different: toys are inanimated things that have no mind or will. What Chuck did is more like growing 6 billion puppies and then decided to slaughter them all.
If chuck can be defeated then he is not God. God is omniscient which means he can't be tricked
I think, at some level, Chuck wanted to be defeated, which would explain away him being tricked.
Of course Chuck isn't or wasn't a Representative of God The Creator. It's always fascinating tho to watch how the "World " Protrays God and who He's Suppose To Be.
Chuck is not Omnipotent nor Omniscient, but knowing the type of person chuck is. It's likey he likes being call that because it makes him feel powerful and this isn't even a theory it implied by his character when he says things like "I go all powerful" or "Im Omniscient" now yes a true person of these things could say them too but with how he acts and what stops him, It likey it just an ego boost for him.
Awesome analysis! To answer your question, NO we cannot vilify Chuck because he is the creator of all things.
A created being by God does not need to ask God again for what God to do for them because God has already made them for that purpose so their spirit can do it you pray you pray to yourself because in that case the spirit is different from the physical but it controls your thinking feeling and emotions so God do not respond to your prayers because the spirit he put in them can already perform what they are asking God for But even that God controls everything and everything flows through him(all authority flows through him)
I'm a writer as well.
Instead of being upset that my characters strayed as put. I followed their flow and perspective.
It lead to a Discovery of an interesting Journey. One where I felt the point of the reader.
Learning along the way, rather than knowing all that could happen.
I showed both Sympathy and Empathy for these characters. As I call them my children, but not my creation.
I believe writers Discover what has always been there. Not creators of a new world.
As Writers are not God.
I really hated that they made chuck a villain in season 14 because they're wasn't a build up to this revelation plus rob Benedict wasn't great at portraying a villain he was one of the weakest to me in the series the last great big bad was amara plus she's far more stronger and powerful than chuck
Well god wrote the season 11 arc so maybe he allowed himself to be beaten by Amara
Okay God has always been like this. But what people don't seem to understand is that's not the actual God. It's just a person from our world making a copy of himself and put it in the show. Explains why loses power actual writer still controls the whole entire universe.
I didn't like having GOD as the final bad. I was hoping that we would find out God would have been seen throughout the series, but we didn't know. Like we would find out, he was always in the background in disguise a regular person. Till the final whe he is reviled.
Chuck story reminds me of Stephen King Stephen King writes lots of books turns into movies and he's almost always doing cameos in them kind of like stan lee but in dark tower he wrote himself in to the story and meets his characters he acted similar to Chuck but that be one explanation how he's writing all these stories and them coming true and him cameoing in bunch of the adaptation he's god in his Stephen King universe in his books and adaptation he approves of he's God lol
No wonder he's a bored writer he's literally writing the same story over and over again just changing little bits here and there that's what were supposed to think cause he's the villain of the story right well like he says he lies too and likes to act he didn't write the same story over and over again necessiarily cause like apocalypse World Sam and DEAn wasn't even born same outcome with Lucifer and Michael bit no Sam or dean killing each other or what about the rich winchesters that crossed over leaving their dad who s still alive they didn't kill each other how many worlds out there is like this did he not want to have them kill each other every time did he try other stories got bored and left but he didn't force them to kill each other like they want to make it sound like he said he's forcing the story and making them kill each other but with these exceptions how many other times did he not do this and why didn't he force the story those times like this time cause he was challenged I guess like you'd say in the other worlds he wasn't challenged he just had bunch of yes men giving him what he want so he got bored this one they challenging him very exciting lol
I hate that they made Chuck the big villain at the end, they ruined his character and it made no sense, should have just made the big villain the Empty or Jack.
What if Chuck fake persona as you say is his real persona and the real persona is his fake one what if he is a benevolent god that works in mysterious ways but seen where the story is going and that he will be challenged by Winchester them wanting it to be over and I guess somehow knowing its time to end the show like the real writers did he wrote himself as the villain going through the process like the real writers who'll be the final villain who else god that's why every time after eleven we see he's benevolent but then out of the blue at end of fourteen he's different even rob said reading it he's like what's up with Chuck cause now he's acting as the villain if he's really the villain why is he letting them know he's the villain its like he wants them to know he knows they'll turn on him knows it'll lead to final season so why unless he's doing it on purpose he loves acting he own it when amara said he's the villain they have the best lines maybe we got gods true ending maybe he was so tired so bored ready to retire thus writing jack to take his power so he can just be human or maybe he wrote that but in reality he still got the power jack thinks he got the power cause the story his fictional story says so but Chuck is nonfiction he's the writer he can write that he dies in the story but that means he dies in real life nope lol he finished his story like in season five and shutting the book the end but they talking about another season because never really ends does it lol
I thought it was right that he wss the final villain because it makes everything make sense ties everything together throughout the show even when he's on the show they talk about him and questions why he's not helping what's he doing now we know why he was never on our side lol best character on the show he's so interesting best character arc so many revelations and twists love watching fan reactions to his episodes more than others lol still got so many questions and wanna see more wanna see what he does when we don't see him wanna see him creating all the different worlds and the stories he made on those worlds wanna see him watching his favorite show always want more Chuck lol
The whole Chuck is just an author and not a villain is crap. It’s nothing even close to if I decided to write a book. It’s completely make-believe. And whatever I say goes. Chuck created people with minds of their own and then tormented them for his pleasure, of course they are going to rebel. Lol
Well God did love creation and his sister. But it was a very selfish kind of love. Like he loved his sister and creations as long as they did what he wanted. But when angered he becomes wrathful.
I like the idea of a story about God being like he is in the later seasons, I hate it for this show
In Supernatural they only used the God from the Old Testament, it was exactly like that
I think you saying "Chuck gave US" is completely wrong. Chuck is a part of the story that was given to us, and within that story, he IS the villain. You can't say he's not the villain because it's "his" story, because he isn't. He is a character in the story we're all watching. It's a weird mental flex to suddenly break the 4th wall like that as if he actually wrote the show.
Not really reinvent. God was always petty, manipulative, selfish, vain, vengeful and cruel in the Bible. This method of him manipulating everyone is pretty much on brand for the God in the Bible.
Actually you're wrong. God was never petty, manipulative, selfish, vain, vengeful, or cruel in the Bible and ultimately real life. You've only described how people have been, not God Himself. God is love, and God is good. Don't spread misinformation about the Almighty.
Everything said if God can be said of you. Guess you’re GOD!
The reason wasn't the cause for causality of what was made. If so then I'd be ashamed of myself
@@StareachValcin God is technically the Balance of all things so he can play both sides, Good or Evil
He's God and can do whatever he likes
He can be rageful, vengeful, good, evil, he can do all things he wants cause he's God, man literally threw meteors down at Sodem and Gomorrah, God literally has killed many humans for the Israelites to be freed, killed sinners for sinning, he can literally judge you for your sins and end you if he wanted, he's God
@@StareachValcin
For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God."
Exodus 34:14
"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)
Want more? This is only early passages of old testament
It does make so much sense when you look at everything that happens on the show and before the show. Automatically wanna say no he's not a bad guy he has done good and has helped no he hasn't helped all the time but I don't blame him cause thatd be boring him stepping in all the time fixing everything if anyone dies they're back if they even die at all. That's why he lies when he says he can't kill Jack or maybe not or even the darkness or anybody that'd be boring if he just snaps his fingers boom they ded. Though probably can't do that with darkness but there's be no villains in the show lol. Technically everything that has happened in the show has made dean and Sam and everyone who they are if no bad things happened they'd be so different not as entertaining of a show lol. Were the villains as much as god. This is like in cabin in the woods the viewers are evil we loved this show the villains everything lol. I kept waiting for UT to drop that chuck ain't really a bad guy he wrote himself into the show and this was his arc. Knew show was ending so like you said who'll be the best villain but god so he wrote all this. This is how he always wanted it to end lol. He's just still being a awesome actor acting like no they outsmarted me I got no power no come back!!!!! Once they leave he's like yay onto next part. Ironically like Chuck said once they get rid of Chuck dean and or Sam will die. What happens next episode lol yep they die lol. The end lol. Chuck been living as a human all this time and he still is and can be god whenever he wants to be or maybe I figured this or by the end he realizes his wrong and leaves dean and Sam to do what they want. They're free he's going to go off and make a new world or do something else and everyone is happy lol. But still awesome villain. Chuck did awesome job being a protagonist and antagonist and wrote one of if not the best shows ever. Awesome job Chuck lol.
No shade to anyone who likes it, but the show ends after season 11 for me. Season 5 feels perfectly well-rounded and complete, and it would've been a dang-near perfect show if it ended there. Seasons 6-7 were just okay imo with a handful of great episodes and ideas in there. The reason I'm Into making season 11 the finale in my own head canon is because seasons 8-11 were surprisingly really good and more or less back to form. While I like the idea of the multiverse, everything else from then on out just felt like it progressively detracted from just about everything that came before it. Making God a straight up villain makes absolutely no sense, either in the context of what "Chuck" is supposedly based on and in the context of the show itself. Idk, it should've ended in 2016 imo. At the end of the day, considering how each of the three eras of the show ended, it hurts basically nothing for anyone to decide for themselves where the show ends for them, because both the endings of seasons 5, 11 and 15 put a neat bow on what feels like a fully-rounded story up to that point without anything feeling incomplete.
Omgggg this video deserves more views!!! Its amazing
Honestly, even though I don't 100% agree with you, I find your talk about Chuck fascinating. Respectfully, he is an antithesis role in my point of view but I am glad you talked about this, seeing your own point of view. I say antithesis because Chuck is what he is to me, an antithesis to everything I believe in, big rambling tangent but bare with me here. What I mean is that even though I am not a big writer like him but at least I actually do my best to genuinely care about the characters in my writing I do and unlike Chuck, if I had ruined lives of the characters I created, I should apologise and take responsibility for their lives. I hope you are doing well, Mr I think I can write and may your future be brighter than the sun.
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Its funny when Sam asking if Chuck is watching them when he's not there. If you believe he's really god and since god sees and knows everything then obviously the answer is yes lol. I can see dean asking this but since Sam has a history of praying and being religious id think he would already know that answer without needing to ask it lol. Love this analysis. Been looking for one like this for a while. Always looking for analysis videos for god. They basically told you everything but at same time still leaving me with questions and wanting more. Wish we got more god especially about his history. Wish we got flashback to him watching the world through the decades on this earth and other earth's lol. Wish we got to see other worlds like the squirrel world lol and Chuck creating them and even moving on. Wanna see all that lol.
I wish the shadow entity was the final bad.
If this is true then every author is the villain cruel comprious god lol especially joss whedon he loves to torture his characters and audience definitely Stephen King so many villains but they give us what we love to watch and read lol. All the best stories has what you said loss stakes deaths lots of bad stuff cause without that the good stuff wouldn't be as good lol. Wed take life for grated characters too they'd take god for granted like they did with castiel. Csdtiel how dean made it seem like is only useful for his powers if he don't have them to fix everything then he's just a baby in a trench coat lol.
Almost - I think authors are lucky enough that their creations are not sentient, even in relation to themselves.
Your analysis is amazing
In my view the best stories write themselves.
#IThinkICanWrite, keep working.
Do I believe that?
16:40 *Imagen that your characters have come to life*
Umm.... No! If your characters have somehow come to life, it's your responsibility to not be an asshole.
I've never watched this show, but have an aunt who is obsessed with it and has probably watched all 327 episodes at least ten times each. I don't know whether the portrayal of "God" in this series is the height of blasphemy against the real Divinity; or, whether it's so stupid that no one with two brain cells in a row could possibly believe that Chuck is really supposed to be the real thing in the show.
The show is fictional, Terry. No one thinks this is actually God, just a fictional depiction of it for the sake of entertainment. Blessings!
It’s a tv show boomer.
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wouldn't that by logic mean Chuck is not all knowing all powerful if Chuck didn't see or didn't stop this ending. unless Chuck wanted you to think he lost? when all the time he had even more power?
Great video. I like to think that Chuck still has his God powers and that the ending was all part of his grand story. The Winchesters defeat God and ride off into the sunset. It gives the story a climactic ending. It's the only ending that doesn't bore him.
Always love revisiting this video and watching it again and again lol most fascinating character in supernatural always wish we got more of him lol. Was just watching the quantum leap finale the god in that is very Chuck like lol. You can watch his reaction to Sams bewilderment and questions that he knows everything that's happening but playing dumb letting on as episode goes that he does know everything but still not wanting to tell Sam yet lol. He's playing with Sam amusing himself Building himself up lol. I always thought Chuck purposely wrote himself in the story as the villain knowing that he'll be the main villain in the final season. How can you get bigger than God the ultimate antagonist lol. Maybe the story went how he really wanted it to lol. Did jack really became god or did he just in the story Chuck wrote lol. Maybe Chuck is still god watching the show like us while the characters in the story in the show think hey we won jack is god now lol
Foreshadowing is my Ability Alone
I might be a prophet
I have too much coincidences in my day
Dont blame me for thinking i might be psychic when you hear about my experiences
Chuck is similar to that writer guy in Hollywood Babylon lol cept instead everything he writes is changed by his characters that guy had everything he wrote changed by the people above him who rewrote everything and Really ticked him off and finally turned him into a villain summoning ghosts to kill the crew of the movie and some cast especially the dude in charge that was really changing his vision. Lots of writers band directors feel like this frustrated with changes against their vision and almost feel powerless in a way cause its like what can they do? And that ticks them off too just like Chuck felt the characters not the people above him lol. Though it kind of is cause the writers of the show are above him writing everything that happens so he's like locked in and is pissed with his lack of freedom to do whatever he wants just like Sam and dean feel like they are lol.
You know what really would have been interesting? After the end of credits a bonus scene. A galactic starship or space center - then we are taken to the inside of the bustling hub of activity. We are moved to a double door whose lights above turn off like an unoccupied sign of an airplane restroom. Chuck dressed up in a futuristic starship uniform exits the room. "Computer: End Program " . An acknowledging beep is heard. He then turns and begins to depart, hesitates and then says, "Computer, save Chuck 3421 for now and encrypt. Delete all prior versions." Another beep in response. Chuck seems particularly satisfied as he leaves and the scene fades to black.
Think about it this way, If you write a story involving your favorite character, not a fanfic, but a legit original story, you will write it how you wish. It doesn't matter what you do in this story because writing it comes from you and your source of creativity. So knowing that, when you write your own story, you are telling it in a way that makes you happy and whole, and sometimes others might like it, other times they might not, but the whole point is that you wrote a story that you enjoyed and loved. So reading all of that, is chuck a villain? No. If you think that chuck is the villain of the story then you must also think J.K Rowling is the villain of the harry potter franchise, or H.P. Lovecraft with all of his Eldritch stories and such, hell even the DC and Marvel verses are included in this.
How is this the same as writing yourself into your story, and actively torturing your characters? Lmao
@@ithinkicanwrite You don't think it's the same? Harry Potter Literally had his parents killed when he was an infant, J.K. Wrote it so Voldemort tried to kill him in all the movies and book, He literally died and came back to life in the last fight against him, but right it's not the same...
I won't even mention Redo of Healer and what all the MC had to go through in that anime...
Crowley wants to be loved
Chuck just has Ego and the things you said
It's honestly not that much difference from the depiction of god's personality in the bible.
The actions in that book do show someone who is obsessed with controlling others, being praised and worshipped, and punishing people with torture and death for not following his often arbitrary, even, harmful, rules.
I really enjoyed the way this show slips the mask off those behaviors, revealing them as toxic, by embodying them and grounding them in the character of Chuck.
Does this analysis of the God of the bible = Chuck come from an honest reading to understand the message of the bible and character of God, or a superficial one?
Quite honestly, I think the charcater of Chuck is the perfect embodiment of the way people believe God to be when they've misunderstood what and why things happened the way they did in the Bible.
I totally agree, if the show was correct in portraying who God is in Chuck, then they did an excellent job and I believe @I Think I Can Write summarized his character well in this video....but truthfully, God is not like Chuck at all
Wrong Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords He is the True God.
@@davidmalone3849 Amen
Supernatural's portrayal of God is nothing like the actual God, especially in the last 2 seasons of supernatural. It's as simple as that. God is, was, and will always be good.
@@StareachValcin Prove it
Chuck being completely evil is the best twist ever.
I would ike to point out that Sam Winchester is the worst person in the entire Multiverse for the simple fact he was willing to destroy everything just because of what God did to Jack if the equalizer had worked the entire universe would have been destroyed because Sam was upset about Jack being dead
This is a good analysis video of the character of Chuck Shurley, but in all honesty, I think supernatural disrespected God, rather than reinvent God. God in actuality is, was, and should always be good. Supernatural's first mistake was making "God" as flawed as humans, but I was able to forgive this mistake because the series made Chuck likable. The second mistake of supernatural was making Dean and eventually Sam disrespectful to "God". It's mainly a sign of human arrogance to think that you know better than "God". The biggest mistake that supernatural made was making "God" the final villain of supernatural. The series had already run out of good ideas for villains after using Lucifer in season 5. Also creating a new villain with the darkness, and stating that it is the sister of "God", shows that supernatural could never make a more powerful villain. I will never forgive supernatural for making "God" not only the final villain, but the overarching villain of the entire series. God is the creator of life, the light, and the ultimate good, but supernatural made Him a flawed writer, the true villain, and the ultimate evil, which goes completely against who God is. While Chuck got the comeuppance he deserved, it was a disservice to God, and it made no sense for the Winchester brothers and Jack to win at all. There's no way God could have been defeated by his own creations. Another thing I didn't like is that Chuck had a chance to be redeemed, but the show doesn't take it. Another disservice to God. After season 15, I officially hate supernatural as a whole, and hope it is done for good. It did a disservice to God and I will never forgive it for that. God is, was, and should always be good.✝️
I agree with them not being able to defeat Chuck and possible redemption but it is a misconception in religion that God is supposed to be all good. God at his very core is a supreme deity and creator of all things which means moral authority doesn't really apply to him. And on a biblical sense well read the bible, God's a manipulative and controlling prick in there too.
@@tyrellmcintyre1662 I respectfully disagree. God is all good. There's no misconception about that. In no sense has God been manipulative as they made Him in supernatural.
@@StareachValcin I don’t think god is manipulative at all either. If he upholds free will then god can’t be. But I don’t think god can be all good cuz he’s the creator so logic dictates he more than likely play both sides of good evil cuz that’s the balance of all creation.
@@tyrellmcintyre1662 God can be the creator and all good because nothing is impossible with God. God can balance all of creation without playing the side of evil. God is goodness in its entirety.
Sorry to be late for the convo but God has free will he made it so he can do whatever it's his choice he does what wants he's God and he's omnipotent.
We never did get to meet God in Supernatural (you'll never convince me Chuck was God. He wasnt)., but I think thats fitting. Even for Death to show up was a bit of a stretch for me, as he's an entity just about in the same power bracket as God. The real God isnt ever going to show up in a meat suit on Earth. That'd be like if you or I poked our head inside an ANT HILL.....if that was even physically possible. But to call a character like Chuck, who is ARROGANT, MANIPULATIVE, COLD and PETTY, to call him God is just blasphemy.
Its supernaturals version of god, not the real one if he exists. But cuz we dont have any evidence of god in real life, we also dont have any non-evidence of a selfish god in our world.
to me the REAL show was season 1-5...after that it was fan fiction with some good and a lot of bad..season 1-5 were amazing