"Amara can revive the dead, but she can't create anything completly new. God has the opposite limit: He can destroy, but not completly erase." This I think is such a good and important answer that explains the synergy of the two very well.
My best theory is Chuck and Amara’s split is what set things in motion by creating life and Death came as a consequence to maintain balance. Amara didn’t know Death because she wouldn’t allow creation so Death wasn’t a thing but I’m sure he was watching in the background.
One problem with Amara "not knowing Death", was when she was being attacked and stated to Chuck, all the time she was imprisoned, she wished for "Death". If she did not know Death, then she should not know the concept, nor the entity. It would have been easier if she knew Death's real name, instead of the writers ignoring that glaring hole in their story.
@@alanguagessupernatural is the most plothole ridden piece of media there is. Lucifer's time in the cage changes depending on the episode, either he was there since the dawn of time or he was ruler of hell for a time. Show has no consistency
I like the idea of the SPN god as a metaphor for the SPN writers. When someone dies, is born or reborn in SPN, it is actually the writers who are pulling the strings, not Chuck or Amara. If you caught feelings for a character, it is the actor and the script and the team behind the scenes that you are feeling for. Like the shadows in Plato's cave, like our parents reading us bedtime stories... the writers pretend to be the bad guys by killing the characters we love - but those characters would never have existed without them. Damn, even Chuck is a writer.
I'm pretty sure that's literally just canon. I mean, Eric even casted an actor that vaguely looked like him to play God. It's not even remotely subtle or allegorical.
There's one big problem with the idea of God and Amara being equals. Each alternate universe has relatively the same backstory as the main Supernatural universe, which is that God and the Archangels imprisoned Amara, Lucifer took the Mark, eventually gave it to Cain, and that Sam and Dean are descendants of Cain and Abel to be the perfect vessels for Michael and Lucifer to have their apocalyptic battle. We see AU Michael and AU Lucifer, which means one of two things: 1) Amara has been imprisoned thousands of times, which proves she is weaker than Chuck or somehow unable to escape her fate in every universe. 2) Amara is a new entity in every universe, created by Chuck to believe she is his equal. Chuck lies. Chuck creates lies. Two of the archangels (Lucifer and Gabriel) are notorious liars. Michael ain't much better. It is easily possible that he felt it was more compelling a story if Amara were on par, if not stronger than him, and so he wrote her to think that and acted weaker than he is in order to have it happen. Each universe has its own heaven and hell. We know this because otherwise the archangels would have known their alternate selves. We also know that Death is unique in each AU. "In my universe, we locked death away and enslaved the reapers." Death thinks he's as old as God, Amara thinks she's as old as God. Maybe both were created under the same illusion. In fact, this could be what happened to the Shadow. Why he was confused when Chuck was able to pull beings out of The Empty. Because he too is limited to the scope of this universe, where Chuck transcends. It is my firm belief that in the Supernatural lore, based on Season 15, Chuck is infinitely more powerful than any other entity. Until Jack. Maybe. It's entirely possible that he let the brothers win this one, and this was all part of his story. Actors are just liars that we know are lying. Chuck is a liar. Chuck plays roles. Chuck might have considered this his grand finale. Or moved on to another universe. Or truly been defeated. It's hard to say.
Or simply: The backstory of every universe is the same. Chuck just rewrote the following chapters (aka: Timelines branched after imprisoning Amara). That's why their backstory in the universes are all the same, but by the time we meet alternate Michael for instance, the timeline had diverged. And Amara was only released into the universe that mark was broken. But in reality, SPN just rewrote and retconned so god damn much over the years. Personally i had preffered if they actually had stuck to the reasoning Chuck had back in season 11, when he told Dean that for his "children" to grow up, he needed to walk away and him essentially setting up all the events in hopes that his children would grow beyond and defeat him, with a new "god" to still oversee them. I actually expected him to stop and smile and say to himself "good job, boys" when the brothers and Jack just left him and drove away.
I was just thinking that Chuck is the only person or thing that doesn't seem to have an alternate in any universe, since he created them all, with the possible exception of the Empty since we never really hear about a different version of it.
@@MukationAnd that because Amara is imprisoned, Chuck has the opportunity to create these different universes. The word on the grapevine, known by each universe: Amara is locked away. This is not unique to each universe, she is outside of each universe, just like Chuck.
You should make a vid around A fan theory how chuck may not be God but actually "the light". There's a lot of hints that chuck is tricking everyone into thinking that he's God even Amara but not death. The idea that the real God of that universe never reappeared yet and that chuck was just pretending makes the ending way more interesting. I also like the idea that death never died but faked it ad went some where on vacation, maybe to where ever real God as been.
But why would the Light give Sam and Dean what equates to immortality? I genuinely like the idea, and I've said that i dont think Chuck was God, but god, if that makes sense. But i do think he is the christian god in a sense but i dont think hes the Big G. Why else would there be ways to beat God? Even Death reaps God? I dont see that as the real God tbh. An angel is able to absorb his GOD power and become God in and of Himself? Its a bigggg reach. They've had angels attempt to play God, and it hasnt worked one time. Why is he any different? Because he's half human? Does that imply we are some form of Godly entities in the SPN lore? I think the real God created Chuck and Amarra as opposites, so they can create and destroy while he observed or went elsewhere.
@lemurtheory9350 No i definitely agree with you! Im just speculating and thinking about it? Kind of adding to what you said ? I did question WHY the light, in your theory, would give sam and dean what seems like immortality, because i am curious about that. But otherwise i agree with everything and was just kind of voicing my thoughts off of what you said.
For me, the Shadow appeared as a part of the Empty or vice versa. It seems like an extremely passive force. Not like Amara or Chuck. Chuck creates, Amara destroys, the Shadow just exists. According to Billie, It's not as strong as the twins, but when Jack exploded, which was meant to kill the twins, it only pissed off the Shadow. As for the intervention of the others in the Empty. At least I interpreted this way: Empty is the end of everything in the multiverse, although from creation Chuck can fish things out of it, but he does not enter it and does it quickly and immediately, which does not disturb the Shadow. Jack, on the other hand, was unconsciously doing half-work. He brought Castiel back to consciousness, but he couldn't bring him back to existence and it woke up/disturbed the Shadow. Which then intervened a little more actively in the events to prevent it from being disturbed again. It tried to get Jack's soul after he died so that what happened to Castiel would never happen again. He then teamed up with Billie to get rid of Chuck. I may be wrong, but I believe that it was the Empty first, because it has no desires or goals other than not to be disturbed by teh existence, and perhaps it would have remained passive if Jack had not disturbed him with Castiel. This was just my opinion, with which I tried to fix the many contradictions in the story in the past but I still love this series. It was a great video!
the Empty is a bit nonsensical in nature. It's a place of death but not really death. It should represent is name but the place is not empty and the one ruling it is a being. The only thing that make sense is : chuck, amara, the empty and death are all parts of an absolute being.
I can tell you one thing chuck was not God. God can see the future. He saw this millions of years before happened. So for him to get outsmarted by Sam and Dean and Jack made no sense whatsoever. I think chuck was an impostor playing as God.
Except Chuck could create souls and manipulate spiritual forces. The Demiurge can’t directly. So Chuck is like a Demiurge but with spiritual powers as well as physical ones.
@@90CJk Is not it correct that Demiurge can manipulate souls because souls are cages for spirit as intermediate entity that bounds spirit to matter? As for false creator concept itself it is from some perspective similar to the concept of deva of Sansara hierarchy - a given Brahma of even very high world of form area (rupaloka) comes to conclusion that it is he/she who creates but it is rather creation that just does happen. The Brahma's will is the illusion and his/her mind is just synchronized with creation.
Here is something I've always been curious about with Chuck, there could have been at least 2 different versions of him in the show at the same time. The normal version where we see him in the entire series, then in like what season 4, season 5? The episode where Zachariah sends Dean to the future and Chuck is talking about hoarding toilet paper. Sure it's possible he could have just jumped to that future, but does he really do that though? It kind of seems like there was 2 different versions of him.
Don’t forget that was Chuck in actor mode. I think in S 12 when him and metaron are in the bar he mentioned he liked to be apart of the story so when he showed up in the earlier episodes he was acting as a prophet
I've always been convinced that was nothing more than an illusion. Neither Zachariah or Michael knew who Chuck was so they wrote him 8nto their script. Future Dean was early in S5 so the idea of Chuck as God was probably already floating around by then. So there were two versions of Chuck because one was a fake while the real one wad obfuscating their identity over the long-term.
No, chuck is omnipresent. He exists in all timeslines at once. This was kinda confirmed at the end when he started destroying every universe. We know there were alternate versions of everything else, like the arcangels and death (and by extension possibly alternate Amaras too since they're all under the impression it required 4 arcangels and God to imprison her in every timeline). Every iteration of Chuck was the same guy simply acting. Remember they didn't have any idea at that point chuck was god
Your videos are amazing! Can you do the pagan deities next? They did get a small explanation as to where they came from but I feel like there's still more to talk and speculate on.
Ok this is from what I have seen and read the cosmology of Supernatural. The Empty/shadow has always been there as it’s emptiness as even it said, “Before God and Amara. Creation Destruction Heaven and Hell your precious little earth. What was there?” Castiel, “Nothing”. Empty, “Yes nothing, nothing but empty.” Now as to it’s power. Billie said the empty’s power isn’t as great as Amara’s or God’s. But instead it’s vast and still stronger than at least a replacement Death like her. As the original Death was shown to be close to God’s power. At some point Amara and God appeared marking the Beginning of Time. As but God and Amara said they were there at the Beginning. And Amara said the original Death only told Dean and Sam what they needed to hear to keep them from releasing her. Amara said God and her are twins. And yes they were one force but also had their own sentience. But likely Amara appeared first and God immediately after. Now their power. They are equals but in different way. They can do universe scale things. But God can create and destroy. But he can’t destroy like Amara. As he said some world take a snap some need more work to undo. So God’s true power is universal creation while Amara’s is universal destruction. Death likely appeared as a direct result of Amara and God. God created the Archangels. If anything was a direct result for the Amara, God, and Death is the Natural Order. The rules for everything. It could have been the ideas that lead to Amara and God appearing. And it is also why God could die. When he made the world he had to write himself as a being within it. So it could function if he left. So by writing himself into reality he allowed the Natural Order to create ways for his possible demise. As Billie said the Books of Death write themselves. And yes God was immortal but the Books tell the life and circumstances of how someone will die.
I actually think chuck created literally all of it, including the empty and Amara. The empty wasn't sure exactly how God was able to resurrect things from the empty- something he shouldn't have been able to do. We also know there were alternate versions of the arcangels all with the same backstory. They, along with God, teamed up to imprison the darkness. So either every version of every arcangel was required to beat a single Amara (in which case they would all be aware of their alternate versions- and they aren't), OR there are alternate versions of Amara, meaning she isn't omnipresent like God and he orchestrated every single story and every single version of Amara as well. He allowed Amara to *believe* they were equals, and that she was the older sibling. We know there are alternate versions of death as well (he specifically says at one point "in my universe"). Lastly, it seems apparent there's only one chuck. He has the ability to travel to any universe and says he created all of them and plans to destroy all of them. Why would he create a bunch of things that could eventually defeat him? Why would he write in his own weaknesses if he can see past, present and future? The answer is he didnt. He allowed everyone to think he did. It was all a test, and it was to help his creations grow and learn. Jack is the new god- but god wasn't defeated. It was all part of his story
I think when Light and Dark split, forming God and Amara, Life and Death came into being immediately. Hence, Death’s persona doesn’t know which is really older because it was simultaneous. Destruction can’t exist without Life, and Creation can’t exist without Death. Yin and Yang. This is also why God can’t completely erase his creations, and Amara can’t create at all but can erase.
Also the video creator is not aware of what the empty is, the empty is not a death realm. In the video the creator says multiple times that only Amara can erase things, using metators defeat as a example. The problem is that when you are erased you are turn to nothing and therefore you goto the empty. The empty is literally the result of you being erased, you become apart of it in it's realm.
I genuinely believe that chuck allowed them to win. He wrote it himself. He wanted to pass on the torch and be in touch with his most beloved creations. He knew that jack out of all his creations was best suited to fit the role
Given the God/Chuck is responsible for all of creation and has been proven to be a liar... there's a very real possibility that little of anything anyone says about the beginning is either a repeated lie or even a possibly false memory implanted. Chuck and Amara could have been the same being, or he could have created her as an antagonist for his part in the story. With an unreliable narrator literally anything is possible.
Don’t forget when death ( 2nd) tells the Boys that in order for Chuck to keep the universe ticking and create the multiverse he put himself in the plans ( more less losses immortality) I believe. Thus why he has a book that foretells his death
I really want a theory on how multiple archangels exist if there was only one set created to fight the archangels cause I’m unsure or were the archangels split across the multiverse like how god and amara were one but split
My theory is that just like he had to trap his sister and create the first curse to get to creation. When he got tired of his first creation he then made multiverse and just like the first curse and creation, the arch Angel's were divided to make the multiverse. It's wrong for sure but that's what came round right away
Well it’s never established why. But likely each world is a mirror reflection of the original world. So after God created the world as he puts it. He had a template and could make new versions. And remember God’s power was truly cosmic and he had very few limitations. He didn’t even have an energy limitation that like the Angel’s had rechargeable Grace he just appeared to have endless amount of God power like Amara.
Another thing about archangels more specifically Gabriel when god says about reforming Raphael and Gabriel he must of known about Gabriel still being alive with asmodeus right if so why didn’t he magic Gabriel to him to help beat amara
The way I see the big primordial figures is the same way that Marvel has it laid out. You have Death, Infinity(almara), Oblivion(the empty) and Eternity(God).
I forgot to note, but i wondered at this: Amara said in the beginning that it was just her and God. But perhaps their memories were blocked up to a certain point, so they are led to believe this so as for Their Creator to remain unknown as Their Creator desired... I mean, think of this: What came first? The question itself is required for several aspects, because if God and Amara did come first, then that means even The Empty and Death would have been created by God. I point this out, because if God did not create The Empty and/or Death himself, then that means whatever created God and Amara also created other aspects of the Universe, such as The Empty, Death, but perhaps even other things, like the other so-called Deities, Heaven, even the concept of Time/Space/Matter? The Empty, a place where even Angels are sent to. So, did God create the Empty, or is The Empty from something other than God and Amara, which could perhaps lend credence to the concept of creating God and Amara, the two halves to the concept of Creation and Destruction, Life and Death
Perhaps God and Amara are merely the embodiments of Creation and Destruction, so what if they are merely the Materialization of The Concept, and such other beings-such as Death and Emptiness- are also Concepts that Materialized for the betterment of its' own Conceptual Existence.
as far as Chuck and the Darkness needing to exist at the same time that does make Sam Winchester of the main Universe the worst person in all the Multiverse he was willing to destroy creation just because he was upside over Jack being k!l1ed if The Equalizer had worked everything would have been destroyed
I never liked making Chuck the enemy. The shadow or lucifer powered by the Shadow is what I thought would happen. I thought it would have been better if Chuck wasn't God. Just a prophet, but if you watch carefully in the background you would see a person over and over. And that would have been the real God watching over things.
See one thing I think would actually be really cool lore to add is if the darkness did create something and that being the shedim and you could say them reason she did was as a response to Gods Archangels and because they were literally created by the darkness that why God created Hell and not allow them into light because of terrible they were and it would also explain why even Lucifer feared them and didn’t want them out.
The latest episode of "The Boys" may have dropped a clue as to what Chuck was up to before creating, well, Creation. When you're all alone with able to multiply yourself... For future reference, it's episode 4 of The Boys season 4. Talk about "luscious rear" oyyy
1:42 i think that the FIRST death is one of two things is a Multiversal Death, the reason why i think this is because he is in the Main Time line, and i think that everything from THIS TIMELINE is tor most Canon, and he came to this one and just let a replacement in every other one, because he wants to see why God thinks this is the finest one. The other Possiblity is he is Just a Fragment of the true self, like Darksied but not evil. This would exemplaim why he his the easeist Primordial to kill, or if is the first one he just have to more weak rule to die, but even then he coun´t be killed by any other mean, snap from lucifer, god or even amara could not kill him.
The show can seem jumbled up but i am amazed at how you were able to put it into words. The last part of things getting out of control would make more sense for God to start over instead of him getting disappointed and moving on like the show said multiple times. I find that when told in a cohesive way, it is far better writing than the show going on multiple reasons why something happened. It can be quite confusing. Honestly sounds like you could make some awesome fanfiction or flesh out the story well. I would totally be game for that.
what if god and ammara somehow un noticed escaped the empty..long dead beings of a universe or reality we will never have information on..they awake as castiel does but did not bother the empty or maybe the empty was not yet as strong
I always thought it started as the empty (nothing) then there was chuck/amara combined (something) which introduced life and death who then split into light and dark
1:52 Death never made any such claims regarding the Darkness. He states "before there was light, before their was God, and the archangels. Their wasn't nothing. Their was the Darkness. A horribly destructive, amoral force that was beaten back by God and his archangels in a tribble war"
I don't know why, but I agree 100% with this theory. Not a bad theory in reality either, I mean if it all started because there IS an actual natural force of potential creation and destruction, it sounds really natural to me.
I had a theory god won and still have his power god wanted jack to be the new god because he said he knows what would happen before it happened so he knew the brother would not kill him when he was weak and he probably had a decent amount of his power hidden. That why jack didn't since god power and he just wants on writing his new story.
3:16 Amara won't let God create because she is destruction. God cannot destroy (He can only create things that can or alter something into something else), The Darkness can only destroy.
It doesnt make sense that God created the arcangels to imprison the darkness, but also that every single universe have their own arcangels but only one God that created all universes. That would imply one of a few things: 1. every universe has a different Amara, meaning shes definitely not Chucks equal 2. God created possibly an infinite number of alternate universe arcangels that were all required to beat one Amara, in which case every version of the arcangels would be aware of their alternate versions, and that doesnt seem to be the case. 3. God literally orchestrated all of it. He created Amara. She isnt his equal at all, but part of creation. Something created as his companion and sister- allowing her to believe they were equals and that she was the older sibling. He created an Amara for every set of arcangels he also created. Hes omnipotent and omnipresent and Amara isnt. The ending we got in the show where he was "defeated" was all part of the plan to help his children grow and allow Jack to have the responsibility of being the new God. I like the last explanation. It would explain how he could possibly create a "god killing gun" or create things willingly that could ever potentially kill him despite being omnipotent. He didnt. Nothing was ever a threat to him. He was never weakened or challenged. He may have also created the empty which is why he still had dominion over it, which the entity didnt think was possible.
Also maybe god and Amara were created by a higer race of primordial bengs/ forces but said beings never showed themselves to either chuck or Amara so as far as they were concerned they are/where the beginning , just my own personal head cannon
I think you are close but God, Amara and the Empty are all related. God and Amara separated from 'the Potential' leaving the Empty. Think of it like God as the paint, Amara as the turpentine, and the Empty as the Canvas. edit: as for Death. with Amara locked away (a perfect turpentine), death was created which is like an eraser. It can rub out creation but it becomes a blob, not completely erased.
My belief is that they are entities from another universe. See when you use God mode in games through your game avatar you are considered a God in that world. Whether the ai of the world can understand you as God is besides my point
Chuck is true existing being, Amara was created by Chuck, & empty is Chuck true form. Pretty much he created everything, no one matches him / can beat him. So Chuck created everything & in that everything created he made it appear as he's not all powerful. Chuck love pretending that simple.
God is Ego and creation, Amara is consuming and Ego, both of them play by the rules of awareness. That's why god has those problems with souls. He gave them bodies. I pray to the awareness.
Ogdoad attributes. 4 is complete. M ag net ic po ten tial = negative energy mass. Pull instead of push. (Magnetic forces do not work.) Empty is by far most powerful. Water is empty. Sound is dark. Light is sonoluminescence. White bee hexagon or hexamer. Nite = light + darkness.2 cines. 2 dummB ellipSoids.
"Amara can revive the dead, but she can't create anything completly new. God has the opposite limit: He can destroy, but not completly erase." This I think is such a good and important answer that explains the synergy of the two very well.
Chuck literally erased every universe and beings expect for 1 universe
Heizenberg you hit the reality man
@@zakkosu727he starts to kill, not destroy
@@TradePrinceNodnarbhe quite literally kills multiple earth's with meteors lol
@@ngocosmic4400 destroy in this context, I believe, is cease to exist - like annihilation
My best theory is Chuck and Amara’s split is what set things in motion by creating life and Death came as a consequence to maintain balance. Amara didn’t know Death because she wouldn’t allow creation so Death wasn’t a thing but I’m sure he was watching in the background.
One problem with Amara "not knowing Death", was when she was being attacked and stated to Chuck, all the time she was imprisoned, she wished for "Death".
If she did not know Death, then she should not know the concept, nor the entity.
It would have been easier if she knew Death's real name, instead of the writers ignoring that glaring hole in their story.
@@alanguagessupernatural is the most plothole ridden piece of media there is. Lucifer's time in the cage changes depending on the episode, either he was there since the dawn of time or he was ruler of hell for a time. Show has no consistency
@@disturbed157 yup.
@@alanguages I actually believe that she knew the concept of Death but not the entity
Remember what the angel Joshua says to Sam and Dean " you drive yourself crazy asking questions like that"
I like the idea of the SPN god as a metaphor for the SPN writers. When someone dies, is born or reborn in SPN, it is actually the writers who are pulling the strings, not Chuck or Amara.
If you caught feelings for a character, it is the actor and the script and the team behind the scenes that you are feeling for. Like the shadows in Plato's cave, like our parents reading us bedtime stories... the writers pretend to be the bad guys by killing the characters we love - but those characters would never have existed without them. Damn, even Chuck is a writer.
It’s how Marvel has their universe set. The One Above All is the writer/creator.
I'm pretty sure that's literally just canon.
I mean, Eric even casted an actor that vaguely looked like him to play God.
It's not even remotely subtle or allegorical.
There's one big problem with the idea of God and Amara being equals. Each alternate universe has relatively the same backstory as the main Supernatural universe, which is that God and the Archangels imprisoned Amara, Lucifer took the Mark, eventually gave it to Cain, and that Sam and Dean are descendants of Cain and Abel to be the perfect vessels for Michael and Lucifer to have their apocalyptic battle. We see AU Michael and AU Lucifer, which means one of two things:
1) Amara has been imprisoned thousands of times, which proves she is weaker than Chuck or somehow unable to escape her fate in every universe.
2) Amara is a new entity in every universe, created by Chuck to believe she is his equal.
Chuck lies. Chuck creates lies. Two of the archangels (Lucifer and Gabriel) are notorious liars. Michael ain't much better. It is easily possible that he felt it was more compelling a story if Amara were on par, if not stronger than him, and so he wrote her to think that and acted weaker than he is in order to have it happen.
Each universe has its own heaven and hell. We know this because otherwise the archangels would have known their alternate selves.
We also know that Death is unique in each AU. "In my universe, we locked death away and enslaved the reapers." Death thinks he's as old as God, Amara thinks she's as old as God. Maybe both were created under the same illusion.
In fact, this could be what happened to the Shadow. Why he was confused when Chuck was able to pull beings out of The Empty. Because he too is limited to the scope of this universe, where Chuck transcends.
It is my firm belief that in the Supernatural lore, based on Season 15, Chuck is infinitely more powerful than any other entity. Until Jack. Maybe. It's entirely possible that he let the brothers win this one, and this was all part of his story. Actors are just liars that we know are lying. Chuck is a liar. Chuck plays roles. Chuck might have considered this his grand finale. Or moved on to another universe. Or truly been defeated. It's hard to say.
Or simply: The backstory of every universe is the same. Chuck just rewrote the following chapters (aka: Timelines branched after imprisoning Amara). That's why their backstory in the universes are all the same, but by the time we meet alternate Michael for instance, the timeline had diverged. And Amara was only released into the universe that mark was broken.
But in reality, SPN just rewrote and retconned so god damn much over the years.
Personally i had preffered if they actually had stuck to the reasoning Chuck had back in season 11, when he told Dean that for his "children" to grow up, he needed to walk away and him essentially setting up all the events in hopes that his children would grow beyond and defeat him, with a new "god" to still oversee them. I actually expected him to stop and smile and say to himself "good job, boys" when the brothers and Jack just left him and drove away.
I was just thinking that Chuck is the only person or thing that doesn't seem to have an alternate in any universe, since he created them all, with the possible exception of the Empty since we never really hear about a different version of it.
@@MukationAnd that because Amara is imprisoned, Chuck has the opportunity to create these different universes. The word on the grapevine, known by each universe: Amara is locked away. This is not unique to each universe, she is outside of each universe, just like Chuck.
You should make a vid around A fan theory how chuck may not be God but actually "the light". There's a lot of hints that chuck is tricking everyone into thinking that he's God even Amara but not death. The idea that the real God of that universe never reappeared yet and that chuck was just pretending makes the ending way more interesting. I also like the idea that death never died but faked it ad went some where on vacation, maybe to where ever real God as been.
But why would the Light give Sam and Dean what equates to immortality?
I genuinely like the idea, and I've said that i dont think Chuck was God, but god, if that makes sense. But i do think he is the christian god in a sense but i dont think hes the Big G.
Why else would there be ways to beat God? Even Death reaps God? I dont see that as the real God tbh. An angel is able to absorb his GOD power and become God in and of Himself? Its a bigggg reach. They've had angels attempt to play God, and it hasnt worked one time. Why is he any different? Because he's half human? Does that imply we are some form of Godly entities in the SPN lore?
I think the real God created Chuck and Amarra as opposites, so they can create and destroy while he observed or went elsewhere.
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Sounds like you agree with me but you dont think your agreeing?
@lemurtheory9350 No i definitely agree with you! Im just speculating and thinking about it? Kind of adding to what you said ?
I did question WHY the light, in your theory, would give sam and dean what seems like immortality, because i am curious about that. But otherwise i agree with everything and was just kind of voicing my thoughts off of what you said.
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Ooohh i see i see.
@lemurtheory9350 Yes! It was quite the theory and got me thinking, sorry for the confusion lol
Gotta say, the quality of the content and topics you touch really are what I needed! Thanks for these videos
For me, the Shadow appeared as a part of the Empty or vice versa. It seems like an extremely passive force. Not like Amara or Chuck. Chuck creates, Amara destroys, the Shadow just exists. According to Billie, It's not as strong as the twins, but when Jack exploded, which was meant to kill the twins, it only pissed off the Shadow.
As for the intervention of the others in the Empty. At least I interpreted this way: Empty is the end of everything in the multiverse, although from creation Chuck can fish things out of it, but he does not enter it and does it quickly and immediately, which does not disturb the Shadow. Jack, on the other hand, was unconsciously doing half-work. He brought Castiel back to consciousness, but he couldn't bring him back to existence and it woke up/disturbed the Shadow. Which then intervened a little more actively in the events to prevent it from being disturbed again. It tried to get Jack's soul after he died so that what happened to Castiel would never happen again. He then teamed up with Billie to get rid of Chuck.
I may be wrong, but I believe that it was the Empty first, because it has no desires or goals other than not to be disturbed by teh existence, and perhaps it would have remained passive if Jack had not disturbed him with Castiel.
This was just my opinion, with which I tried to fix the many contradictions in the story in the past but I still love this series. It was a great video!
Makes sense that the Empty was both beginning and end since it was just there even before and after there is creation
the Empty is a bit nonsensical in nature. It's a place of death but not really death. It should represent is name but the place is not empty and the one ruling it is a being.
The only thing that make sense is : chuck, amara, the empty and death are all parts of an absolute being.
I can tell you one thing chuck was not God. God can see the future. He saw this millions of years before happened. So for him to get outsmarted by Sam and Dean and Jack made no sense whatsoever. I think chuck was an impostor playing as God.
Excellent video!! thank you so much for taking the time to make this
Im a big fan of your content! I just watched your Leviathan video the quality of your content is amazing
I could listen to this all day
My headcanon is that "Chuck" isn't actually God, he's the Demiurge from Gnosticism.
Except Chuck could create souls and manipulate spiritual forces. The Demiurge can’t directly.
So Chuck is like a Demiurge but with spiritual powers as well as physical ones.
@@90CJk Is not it correct that Demiurge can manipulate souls because souls are cages for spirit as intermediate entity that bounds spirit to matter?
As for false creator concept itself it is from some perspective similar to the concept of deva of Sansara hierarchy - a given Brahma of even very high world of form area (rupaloka) comes to conclusion that it is he/she who creates but it is rather creation that just does happen. The Brahma's will is the illusion and his/her mind is just synchronized with creation.
subbed yesterday and one day later this banger topic drops! Keep up the good work
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Here is something I've always been curious about with Chuck, there could have been at least 2 different versions of him in the show at the same time. The normal version where we see him in the entire series, then in like what season 4, season 5? The episode where Zachariah sends Dean to the future and Chuck is talking about hoarding toilet paper. Sure it's possible he could have just jumped to that future, but does he really do that though? It kind of seems like there was 2 different versions of him.
Don’t forget that was Chuck in actor mode. I think in S 12 when him and metaron are in the bar he mentioned he liked to be apart of the story so when he showed up in the earlier episodes he was acting as a prophet
I've always been convinced that was nothing more than an illusion. Neither Zachariah or Michael knew who Chuck was so they wrote him 8nto their script.
Future Dean was early in S5 so the idea of Chuck as God was probably already floating around by then. So there were two versions of Chuck because one was a fake while the real one wad obfuscating their identity over the long-term.
No, chuck is omnipresent. He exists in all timeslines at once. This was kinda confirmed at the end when he started destroying every universe. We know there were alternate versions of everything else, like the arcangels and death (and by extension possibly alternate Amaras too since they're all under the impression it required 4 arcangels and God to imprison her in every timeline).
Every iteration of Chuck was the same guy simply acting. Remember they didn't have any idea at that point chuck was god
Your videos are amazing! Can you do the pagan deities next? They did get a small explanation as to where they came from but I feel like there's still more to talk and speculate on.
The world needs to be reminded of yhis. ty❤
Ok this is from what I have seen and read the cosmology of Supernatural.
The Empty/shadow has always been there as it’s emptiness as even it said, “Before God and Amara. Creation Destruction Heaven and Hell your precious little earth. What was there?” Castiel, “Nothing”. Empty, “Yes nothing, nothing but empty.” Now as to it’s power. Billie said the empty’s power isn’t as great as Amara’s or God’s. But instead it’s vast and still stronger than at least a replacement Death like her. As the original Death was shown to be close to God’s power.
At some point Amara and God appeared marking the Beginning of Time. As but God and Amara said they were there at the Beginning. And Amara said the original Death only told Dean and Sam what they needed to hear to keep them from releasing her. Amara said God and her are twins. And yes they were one force but also had their own sentience. But likely Amara appeared first and God immediately after. Now their power. They are equals but in different way. They can do universe scale things. But God can create and destroy. But he can’t destroy like Amara. As he said some world take a snap some need more work to undo. So God’s true power is universal creation while Amara’s is universal destruction.
Death likely appeared as a direct result of Amara and God.
God created the Archangels.
If anything was a direct result for the Amara, God, and Death is the Natural Order. The rules for everything. It could have been the ideas that lead to Amara and God appearing.
And it is also why God could die. When he made the world he had to write himself as a being within it. So it could function if he left. So by writing himself into reality he allowed the Natural Order to create ways for his possible demise. As Billie said the Books of Death write themselves. And yes God was immortal but the Books tell the life and circumstances of how someone will die.
I actually think chuck created literally all of it, including the empty and Amara. The empty wasn't sure exactly how God was able to resurrect things from the empty- something he shouldn't have been able to do. We also know there were alternate versions of the arcangels all with the same backstory. They, along with God, teamed up to imprison the darkness. So either every version of every arcangel was required to beat a single Amara (in which case they would all be aware of their alternate versions- and they aren't), OR there are alternate versions of Amara, meaning she isn't omnipresent like God and he orchestrated every single story and every single version of Amara as well. He allowed Amara to *believe* they were equals, and that she was the older sibling. We know there are alternate versions of death as well (he specifically says at one point "in my universe"). Lastly, it seems apparent there's only one chuck. He has the ability to travel to any universe and says he created all of them and plans to destroy all of them. Why would he create a bunch of things that could eventually defeat him? Why would he write in his own weaknesses if he can see past, present and future?
The answer is he didnt. He allowed everyone to think he did. It was all a test, and it was to help his creations grow and learn. Jack is the new god- but god wasn't defeated. It was all part of his story
It makes Sence, he wanted to leave a new god in carge to retire maybe that was His plan from the bigening
Amazing video.
I can't wait for part 2
I think when Light and Dark split, forming God and Amara, Life and Death came into being immediately. Hence, Death’s persona doesn’t know which is really older because it was simultaneous. Destruction can’t exist without Life, and Creation can’t exist without Death. Yin and Yang. This is also why God can’t completely erase his creations, and Amara can’t create at all but can erase.
Also the video creator is not aware of what the empty is, the empty is not a death realm. In the video the creator says multiple times that only Amara can erase things, using metators defeat as a example.
The problem is that when you are erased you are turn to nothing and therefore you goto the empty.
The empty is literally the result of you being erased, you become apart of it in it's realm.
I genuinely believe that chuck allowed them to win. He wrote it himself. He wanted to pass on the torch and be in touch with his most beloved creations. He knew that jack out of all his creations was best suited to fit the role
What if chuck is not god but the demiurge, it explains both his character and his faliures as a creator
Given the God/Chuck is responsible for all of creation and has been proven to be a liar... there's a very real possibility that little of anything anyone says about the beginning is either a repeated lie or even a possibly false memory implanted. Chuck and Amara could have been the same being, or he could have created her as an antagonist for his part in the story. With an unreliable narrator literally anything is possible.
"It'll make a little bit of sense later " 😂 idk where this is going but I appreciated that
Well done
Amazing video. I accept this as fact.
Don’t forget when death ( 2nd) tells the Boys that in order for Chuck to keep the universe ticking and create the multiverse he put himself in the plans ( more less losses immortality) I believe. Thus why he has a book that foretells his death
2:55 The Empty is the trash bin for things that have nowhere to go when they die. The Shadow became when the Empty was woken up.
I always thought Garth would end up being god, I was disappointed when it turned out to be Chuck.
I like your explaination of yin/yan very much
are we going to get the part 2 to this anytime soon maybe ?
Going by the analogy that God and the Darkness are yin and yang, the Shadow is Wuji. Like what Kyurem is
i didnt expect this to get so metaphysical
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Having a little bit of light and a little bit of darkness ensures that neither can destroy the other.
I've been asking that!!!
I really want a theory on how multiple archangels exist if there was only one set created to fight the archangels cause I’m unsure or were the archangels split across the multiverse like how god and amara were one but split
I’m actually working on a script like that right now!
Well I’m now a prophet of the lord
My theory is that just like he had to trap his sister and create the first curse to get to creation. When he got tired of his first creation he then made multiverse and just like the first curse and creation, the arch Angel's were divided to make the multiverse. It's wrong for sure but that's what came round right away
Well it’s never established why. But likely each world is a mirror reflection of the original world. So after God created the world as he puts it. He had a template and could make new versions. And remember God’s power was truly cosmic and he had very few limitations. He didn’t even have an energy limitation that like the Angel’s had rechargeable Grace he just appeared to have endless amount of God power like Amara.
Another thing about archangels more specifically Gabriel when god says about reforming Raphael and Gabriel he must of known about Gabriel still being alive with asmodeus right if so why didn’t he magic Gabriel to him to help beat amara
You gotta do a video about if God created death, since there are other deaths in other universes and if there is one empty or multiple empties
All i know is that out of the 4 of them AND also the 4 horseman of apocalypse Death was definitely the best casted actor
although Amara is bae lol
The way I see the big primordial figures is the same way that Marvel has it laid out. You have Death, Infinity(almara), Oblivion(the empty) and Eternity(God).
I think Death only came into being when Chuck put himself in his own story. Before God started creating things, there was noting that could die.
All praise Chuck
Do you think it would be possible to do an Episode of The Empty at some point? I think it would be a most fascinating video
I forgot to note, but i wondered at this: Amara said in the beginning that it was just her and God. But perhaps their memories were blocked up to a certain point, so they are led to believe this so as for Their Creator to remain unknown as Their Creator desired... I mean, think of this: What came first? The question itself is required for several aspects, because if God and Amara did come first, then that means even The Empty and Death would have been created by God. I point this out, because if God did not create The Empty and/or Death himself, then that means whatever created God and Amara also created other aspects of the Universe, such as The Empty, Death, but perhaps even other things, like the other so-called Deities, Heaven, even the concept of Time/Space/Matter? The Empty, a place where even Angels are sent to. So, did God create the Empty, or is The Empty from something other than God and Amara, which could perhaps lend credence to the concept of creating God and Amara, the two halves to the concept of Creation and Destruction, Life and Death
Perhaps God and Amara are merely the embodiments of Creation and Destruction, so what if they are merely the Materialization of The Concept, and such other beings-such as Death and Emptiness- are also Concepts that Materialized for the betterment of its' own Conceptual Existence.
Love these videos, I'd enjoy bringing this kind of complexity to my novel...if you feel like helping.
7:53 sounds like me playing minecraft and i get bored
as far as Chuck and the Darkness needing to exist at the same time that does make Sam Winchester of the main Universe the worst person in all the Multiverse he was willing to destroy creation just because he was upside over Jack being k!l1ed if The Equalizer had worked everything would have been destroyed
Death was one of my most favorite characters
I never liked making Chuck the enemy. The shadow or lucifer powered by the Shadow is what I thought would happen. I thought it would have been better if Chuck wasn't God. Just a prophet, but if you watch carefully in the background you would see a person over and over. And that would have been the real God watching over things.
See one thing I think would actually be really cool lore to add is if the darkness did create something and that being the shedim and you could say them reason she did was as a response to Gods Archangels and because they were literally created by the darkness that why God created Hell and not allow them into light because of terrible they were and it would also explain why even Lucifer feared them and didn’t want them out.
The latest episode of "The Boys" may have dropped a clue as to what Chuck was up to before creating, well, Creation. When you're all alone with able to multiply yourself...
For future reference, it's episode 4 of The Boys season 4. Talk about "luscious rear" oyyy
1:42 i think that the FIRST death is one of two things is a Multiversal Death, the reason why i think this is because he is in the Main Time line, and i think that everything from THIS TIMELINE is tor most Canon, and he came to this one and just let a replacement in every other one, because he wants to see why God thinks this is the finest one. The other Possiblity is he is Just a Fragment of the true self, like Darksied but not evil. This would exemplaim why he his the easeist Primordial to kill, or if is the first one he just have to more weak rule to die, but even then he coun´t be killed by any other mean, snap from lucifer, god or even amara could not kill him.
After rewatching this for the 3rd time I can't for you to talk about death
It's pretty easy to see this concept is because the writers forgot & started retconning to fit amara & The empty in.
The show can seem jumbled up but i am amazed at how you were able to put it into words. The last part of things getting out of control would make more sense for God to start over instead of him getting disappointed and moving on like the show said multiple times. I find that when told in a cohesive way, it is far better writing than the show going on multiple reasons why something happened. It can be quite confusing. Honestly sounds like you could make some awesome fanfiction or flesh out the story well. I would totally be game for that.
Hmmm that makes perfect sense explains so much why god acts the way he does like with amara lol
what if god and ammara somehow un noticed escaped the empty..long dead beings of a universe or reality we will never have information on..they awake as castiel does but did not bother the empty or maybe the empty was not yet as strong
I wonder how jack was able to take away chucks godly power though
Wait did the show supernatural pull a kami and piccolo from dbz type of situation with both chuck and Amara
They might've been born from the Empty, also called Khaos, the Void, etc.
I always thought it started as the empty (nothing) then there was chuck/amara combined (something) which introduced life and death who then split into light and dark
The “Twins” ❤❤❤
Doesn’t Jack essentially become what Chuck and Amara were before they split?
1:52 Death never made any such claims regarding the Darkness. He states "before there was light, before their was God, and the archangels. Their wasn't nothing. Their was the Darkness. A horribly destructive, amoral force that was beaten back by God and his archangels in a tribble war"
Part 2 ??? Oo.
I didnt understand the end of chuck, jack killed him but them show him write something then disappear 😮
Void predates all
I don't know why, but I agree 100% with this theory. Not a bad theory in reality either, I mean if it all started because there IS an actual natural force of potential creation and destruction, it sounds really natural to me.
I had a theory god won and still have his power god wanted jack to be the new god because he said he knows what would happen before it happened so he knew the brother would not kill him when he was weak and he probably had a decent amount of his power hidden.
That why jack didn't since god power and he just wants on writing his new story.
2:55 God has no power in the Empty. When he pulls things out, he is not IN the empty.
The novie explain we are in the void in this moment
3:16 Amara won't let God create because she is destruction. God cannot destroy (He can only create things that can or alter something into something else), The Darkness can only destroy.
It doesnt make sense that God created the arcangels to imprison the darkness, but also that every single universe have their own arcangels but only one God that created all universes. That would imply one of a few things:
1. every universe has a different Amara, meaning shes definitely not Chucks equal
2. God created possibly an infinite number of alternate universe arcangels that were all required to beat one Amara, in which case every version of the arcangels would be aware of their alternate versions, and that doesnt seem to be the case.
3. God literally orchestrated all of it. He created Amara. She isnt his equal at all, but part of creation. Something created as his companion and sister- allowing her to believe they were equals and that she was the older sibling. He created an Amara for every set of arcangels he also created. Hes omnipotent and omnipresent and Amara isnt. The ending we got in the show where he was "defeated" was all part of the plan to help his children grow and allow Jack to have the responsibility of being the new God.
I like the last explanation. It would explain how he could possibly create a "god killing gun" or create things willingly that could ever potentially kill him despite being omnipotent. He didnt. Nothing was ever a threat to him. He was never weakened or challenged. He may have also created the empty which is why he still had dominion over it, which the entity didnt think was possible.
Also maybe god and Amara were created by a higer race of primordial bengs/ forces but said beings never showed themselves to either chuck or Amara so as far as they were concerned they are/where the beginning , just my own personal head cannon
Also chuck was lieing about the amara dieing thing because he wanted to keep her alive due to his care for her.
hey if you decide to give up on UA-cam maybe a professor of philosophy could work out for you very entertaining video man
I think you are close but God, Amara and the Empty are all related. God and Amara separated from 'the Potential' leaving the Empty. Think of it like God as the paint, Amara as the turpentine, and the Empty as the Canvas.
edit: as for Death. with Amara locked away (a perfect turpentine), death was created which is like an eraser. It can rub out creation but it becomes a blob, not completely erased.
They came from the great primordial shark, and in the act of leaping over the shark the Darkness came into being. 😂
Chuck actually looks like Jesus! 😄
God has always been. God created time. Therefore, he always has been. We think in the volume of time. God thinks outside and inside that volume...
I always thought Chuck/God was full of shit 😂🤷🏾
My belief is that they are entities from another universe. See when you use God mode in games through your game avatar you are considered a God in that world. Whether the ai of the world can understand you as God is besides my point
Think this is difficult to understand try The Endless from the Sandman series
god is chaos. amara is order. the place where they interact is creation. Creation requires Death.
From Yaldabath Gnostic
Chuck is true existing being, Amara was created by Chuck, & empty is Chuck true form. Pretty much he created everything, no one matches him / can beat him. So Chuck created everything & in that everything created he made it appear as he's not all powerful. Chuck love pretending that simple.
When I die I wish to go to the empty an enternal sleep infinite silence no new, no old, just empty
or maybe because we have no idea what God even is then whatever came before is something beyond our comprehension.
What you just explained is Advait principle from Hinduism.
In all creations. all came from primordial chaos. That is the common factor in all mythology.
God is Ego and creation, Amara is consuming and Ego, both of them play by the rules of awareness. That's why god has those problems with souls. He gave them bodies. I pray to the awareness.
24 Elders In Revelation
Basically it was the Tao. Yin and yang.
Chuck ..missis Magda enthusiast
Soooo basically Kami and Piccolo? 🤔 🐉 🏀 💤
Ogdoad attributes. 4 is complete.
M ag net ic po ten tial = negative energy mass. Pull instead of push.
(Magnetic forces do not work.)
Empty is by far most powerful. Water is empty. Sound is dark. Light is sonoluminescence. White bee hexagon or hexamer.
Nite = light + darkness.2 cines. 2 dummB ellipSoids.
It's never stated
The empty and amara are basically the same since theyre both nothingness. If anything empty should be subservient to amara