NO MORE GAS Generators? ECOFLOW DELTA PRO Review
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I wish I had the $2,000 I could purchase one for. Don't get me wrong, I figure that's a fair price but Workers' Compensation doesn't pay my paralyzed butt well enough to live in my house with subsidizing my mortgage by renting out a room. But yes, that's a different subject.
can you please include Celsius temperatures because i dont live in the usa and it i don’t understand f temperatures
@@Unknown-sf6cs That's just like we don't understand Celsius temperatures. It's always easier for us to do a little Google or search engine lookup of saying what is this degree in Fahrenheit in Celsius or for you Celsius to Fahrenheit.
@@Unknown-sf6cs meaning, what is 76 degrees Fahrenheit in Celsius?
Convert F to C. Subtract 32 from the Farenheit temperature. Then divide that result by 1.8
75°F -32 = 43
43 ÷ 1.8 = 23.9° C
Just completed the break-in period and so far the unit is operating perfectly ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxOTeIs0vv4_9B5hsmnLsk9r930uDQLu_Y . I was amazed by just how quiet this little guy is. I kept having to walk down the driveway to the generator to make sure it was still running. In fact, the most annoying noise coming from the set-up is a high-pitched chirping coming from the pressure regulator on the propane line. I suppose it's possible my other propane-powered generator's pressure regulator is making the same noise, but the generator itself is so loud I've never noticed it. Build quality so far is excellent. My only nit is the service panel is a little tricky to remove. I feel like I might break off one of the plastic tabs when bending it back. I probably just need to work out the technique, so will not hold it against Champion.Next week I intend to fully load the unit to charge a large battery pack and will update this review if there's any problem (3000W continuous load vs a rated 3100W capacity while using propane). Absent any trouble there, I'm 100% pleased with this purchase.
This is very interesting. I've wanted to get something similar, and with all these feature I could likely easily use it on a large boat I plan to restore at some point as well.
Combine this with a small propane inverter generator to pick up the slack from the solar panels and you can easily be electrically independent for many weeks with a small propane tank stockpile. Impressive.
Watch for my review next week from Ecoflow. They came up with a small booster generator, I think Elon Musk bought, they have more innovations this month than most companies had in 3 years
Any recommendations?
Yes, using propane gen is so much better than gasoline.
I see so many elderly folks in my neighborhood getting Generac gas/propane whole-house backups installed. They want the peace of mind and they have the money. They are paying 8K-11K once the generators are in (they wait for MONTHS!) and then have an annual checkup fee of a couple hundred bucks to check the oil and so forth.
This ECOFLOW level of technology is going to be the NEW way to do whole-house backups for sure.
I feel exactly the same, they have no idea how expensive those get year after year
I chuckle when I see people with those in my neighborhood. We get maybe 2 power outages a year and they never last more than a few hours.
I get the worry about basement flooding but a $250 battery backup sump pump is just as good in that scenario.
@@Japplesnap i agree. people that dont live in hurricane areas or tornado alley as i do,dont put the same value on a generator...the costs of maintaining a conventional generator i consider to be cheap insurance.this unit is ok..and might be a good addition.but not a replacement.
Yeah the cost to use ratio on those Generacs are horrible, for that price I can stay at a hotel for 4 months during a power outage. We don't live in a society where that happens, and if we did, that money would be better spent buying camping equipment then.
@@Japplesnap So you consider 10K to have power in your house for 3 days a good investment? lol.
I really like that you ACTUALLY showed the inputs for the cables that join the additional battery with the Pro. I have seen a lot of these videos for this product , but for some reason most people don’t show the ports up close. Seeing them up close shows me actually how they can be joined. Thanks.
Great information. I saw the EcoFlow on display at HSN or QVC and was impressed with the unit and the price. I have friends that live in the Philippines and that country is always experiencing brownouts, just like our blackouts but more frequent and longer duration. This unit is perfect for the Philippines.
Also for California with a rolling blackouts
Not technically a “generator” per say. But this is the best design I’ve ever seen for a portable or backup power source. Charging from solar, the wall, and ev stations is brilliant. As well as the daisy chaining ability.
its UPS /battery source. good design. not generator as falsely claimed
Unless it's got LiFePO4 batteries it won't last long 500 charges and a regular lion battery degrades to 80% capacity. 3500 for the lifpro4 battert. Lithium ion phosphate.
@@delanos53, He says at 1:03 of the video that it is LiFePO4 (Lithium “Iron” Phosphate).
Does it not generate electricity?
@@justkiddin1980 if you run outta gas with a standard generator you’re effed up atleast this has solar charging to keep the party going
I have a smaller ecoflow and have to say I'm quite happy with it! I'm looking to get one like this now!
I appreciate how your reviews are right to the point and packed with all the info and use cases in 10 minutes.
Thank you. This one was very tough I absolutely love it and could have made the video an hour but figured as questions come up maybe I can do a follow up if there is interest
Arguably the two most important specs of a generator besides wattage & peak wattage - sound levels and run time - I believe weren't mentioned in this video. If they were and I just accidentally missed something, I apologize ahead of time
This is not a review, it's a paid advertisement. He only tells you the upside, no cons or downside. I'd take the info he's presenting more seriously if he did an actual review.
@@joeeggfromleigh agreed, this is TRASH 🗑️
@@SilverCymbal A good honest question is, can you solar power charge, as you are using it?
Keep one or two of these in your EV as fuel cans with solar power charging…Awesome review.
I built these portable solar charged power packs out of pelican boxes and using lead acid marine batteries in 1995.Mine were watertight,and had 120 volt inverters.I even filed for patents on it with the uspto in 1995.These generators are not new,just improved using more modern tech wich was not around in 1995.
sure you did grandpa.
@@imoldgreggboosh3467 You will submit to Allah!
This is the perfect video I’ve been looking for!!! Thank you!!! 🙏🏻
Glad it was helpful!
I built a system roughly 10 years ago using a bank of those big lead acid batteries - about 8 of them - they're huge and sit in their own container and are hooked into a Trace inverter - if the inverter senses the utility power dropping off it will automatically switch to the batteries (and it keeps the batteries charged when their is grid power). This system works great and will even keep desktop computers from rebooting when it switches to batteries). But even though only crucial house circuits are backed by this, it will only run things for a matter of hours - out central heating system has an electric blower fan). Naturally most of our power outages are in the winter on occasions with heavy snow fall - branches start breaking off of trees and bring down power lines. The outages can be so wide spread that it can take days for the utility company to repair all the disruptions. We will typically have live on backup power for several days - maybe up to 5 to 7 days. Needless to say, even with this really slick battery backed system, we still have a gasoline-powered generator. If can only afford one backup system - get a gas or propane (or natural gas) backup generator - you don't want to gamble that power will be down for just hours vs days.
It wouldn't be cheap, but if you swapped out the lead acid for LiFePO4 batteries, it would have a lot more power.
you have to differenciate between a generator or a UPS
i put a big car battery on my ups for much longer up time !
@@GrzegorzDurda i dont know but i have plenty time to log off properly and finish end of film or game , 15 minutes ? then i suspect it might overheat . It auto shut down on low battery . thats about 300w , maybe briefly 100w more if gaming heavily . I notice i cannot switch it on if i already got a power cut..it needs the power on , register a power cut then it uses battery ..i do not know why, i guess some relay or something . It keeps the big battery charged up without any apparent issues even with over 15 times the capacity of the little battery it had .
I know you know this, but it would be great if we could just call these “power packs.” Generators don’t take hours to refuel.
Also, they can’t run powertools at a jobsite. Chop saw, miter saw, compressor, chargers, fan, all at the same time
@@Unknown-un6nt why can't they?
@@Unknown-un6nt YES THEY CAN
Why are you so butthurt? No they can’t. Just because you use capitals doesn’t make you right. My power tools use too many amps, and too much wattage. My gas generator can power all my tools simultaneously. I can be cutting maple crown on my chop saw, while my helper is ripping 96” hardwood strips, all while having multiple battery chargers charging, a shop fan blowing, a compressor running, and a worklight on if it gets too late. ALL DAY LONG. For twelve hours or longer, if need be. Do your research. These solar generators are nowhere near being able to power a construction jobsite all day. Don’t be ignorant.
It has no generator facility it is just a battery
Goes well with the current move to solar power. Perfect for minimalist lifestyle vehicles. Many do not want to use gas powered devices. It's more than a generator.
As many sales as I've been seeing on the old Delta I was hoping they had something like this up their sleeves. Lots of good new features in this unit and I love the 30 amp RV connector, this could be a legitimate replacement for my 2KW gas generator for my camper (already has solar on it as well) as well as a useful home backup supply.
Wow, A gas generator with solar capabilities?? What brand and model is it??
@@Bizzare77777 nah, the camper has solar already. With the price of the new units I went ahead with the regular Delta and it's working out well.
@Timothy TwoTwoThree if it's solar charged, it's a generator with UPS capabilities
So very cool. The safety of the LiFe batteries is a huge plus. Now I’m curious if I could feed one of these from my Jeep 4xe or Bolt EV for a super extended runtime.
Probably. As an example during super storm Sandy one homeowner connected his Prius battery to a 1000 watt inverter and ran his home ( most of it) by keeping the Prius engine running (which would only come on when the hybrid battery went below 20%). He ran it for 3 days that way on 3 gallons of gas used, not the 4-5 gallons per DAY of most gas generators
93% efficiency! That's impressive electronics, from AC to DC to battery to inverter AC output! Also smiled when you pulled out the oscilloscope. Too many brochure experts rewieving battery generators on UA-cam.
I have two of the Kickstarter units and I am seeing 88% and 90% efficiency using the AC output.
It was charging at ~2,600 watts on the EV charge station instead of 3,000 watts because public chargers operate on single phrase commercial lines instead of split phase. At home, if your use your EVSE on Split Phase, you are getting 240 volts at 12.5 amps. When you go to a commercial single phase, it’s at 208 volts at the same 12.5 amps. So that will give you a little less power since the voltage is lower.
I AM SO EXCITED TO GET THIS IN! Cannot wait!
I also get excited when I buy $5K giant batteries. Said nobody ever.
Looks useful, but it's not a generator. It's a battery and an inverter.
True, and it's also an advertisement.
Well, a generator converts chemical energy stored in gasoline into electricity. This thing converts chemical energy stored in a battery into electricity. That makes it an electricity generator in my book. The only thing is: you need electricity to fill it back up, you can't refill it with chemical energy directly, like a gasoline powered generator. And yes, it's an ad.
@@jean-paulvanewijk1810 You need to study physics and do some research. A battery's chemical cells do not 'generate' electricity, they store it. That is why batteries and this Ecoflow have to be recharged. Your car battery does not generate electricity, it gets it from the rotor in the generator run by the belt coming off the engine shaft.
@@RobNMelbourne A gas generator doesn't generate energy either. It converts existing chemical energy to electricity.
This is very intriguing thanks for bringing this to my attention, I'm giving this serious consideration. Big plus as you mentioned is being able to operate in stealth mode, but it's not cheap for this particular system.
Does the Uninterrupted Power Supply (UPS) feature work a single EcoFlow Delta PRO Unit independently? Or does it also require the use of the separate Smart Home Panel?
Ecoflow and Bluetti are the new leaders for solar generators in my opinion, time for Jackery and Goal Zero to catch up. :)
i agree. Ive got a couple 'jackery units and for a while i was looking to get the larger 1500 or wait til next years restocking of the 2000 but I think by then bluetti and reflow will have taken over. goal zero is dead. they had it but never kept up with competition . even jackery is loosing the race
I agree Goal Zero needs to catch up, although I have a few of their batteries and their customers service is great.
Bluetti AC300 looks like the current champ.
Good review! I just ordered my pro and extra battery. If anyone wants to learn how to figure out what you can run on any portable power station and for how long you can run it, I made a video series for you.
Very cool. I think you will really be amazed by this setup. I have worked with dozens of gas and battery unit and this is over the top and it actually worked! Many companies promise stuff that they can't deliver, this was just the opposite, I had 0 problems.
I wash my loundry manually, almost never turn on my tv, only used my laptop for heavy works, never mind sleep with all light off (inside house) Imagine how long this will last with me in single charge, but i have 2 refrigerator and one rice cooker for my restaurant ,is two of these enough? If power runs out? Can i run my house/my small business with this and how long?
@@fajardiniarikamil2712 Thats why I made the following vid series.. ua-cam.com/video/yoPLzOlUez0/v-deo.html
Won, Groovy, Socko .... My RV gas generator quite working so Now I can get one of these and be able to run my RV Air Conditioner all night and probably all week. So Cool!
Got admit you're reviews are very professional and if I had the money this is one I would buy just because you did such a great review.
Thank you, that is very nice of you to say
I bought one of the early EFDETLA’s (Cell Type 18650 Lithium Ion). Cons: Life Span = only 60% after 800 charge cycles. Reading right from the manual it claims 1800W (Surge 3300W); however I connected a 1500W ceramic heater and the EFDELTA would trip (using it for this heater was one of the reasons I purchased it). Pros: it does charge quickly from solar panels (another big reason I bought it); I tested this with (4) 120W foldable solar panels I bought for it. Compared to a generator it is very quiet. And other pros mentioned in the video. So I was disappointed it did not meet all the specs they claimed, I kept it because of the charge time and being able to charge and run devices at the same time (note: it will trip on over temperature if load is too much; which is a good thing, so strongly recommend keeping out of sun for best performance). I would also ask if batteries are replaceable. Mine is not, but maybe they’ve made this improvement.
No, they aren’t replaceable, but this is LiFePO and has 6500 until 60%.
My July 2021 Delta now has 80% after 800 charge cycles in their new manuals. I use it as a continuous back up for my 10+ year old freezer and I standard side by side home fridge. Have not tried large wattage heater, but even if it runs, the battery would be depleted in about 1 hour (probably much longer with a PRO model). For heat and longer cooking, I would probably have a propane /butane camp stove and a propane camping heater like “Mr Heater” with an automatic cut off oxygen sensor for indoor use. High wattage heat producing appliances eat up solar battery power VERY quickly. Good to have an alternative source and leave the solar for freezers/fridges/electronic charging/ medical equipment (test that first)/ and maybe some lights, although you can get multiple self charging solar lights and not use precious central home battery power
The dryer demo was very impressive. Did you try your air conditioner by any chance? If so, any idea as to how long the 2 units could power it in 90 F degree heat?
Use a clothes line! It uses solar and wind power!
@@geod3589 And if you hang them out before it rains, you'll have the rinse cycle covered too.😄
wow this is pretty impressive. I run a home business that would greatly benefit from a industrial mixer like a Hobart. I wonder if this can power it.
Hadn't seen this product before your video. Looks like a must have . Awesome presentation as well !
problem as ever, a gallon of gas has a crazy amount of watt hours vs this.
But requires fuel (hard to get in a natural disaster situation or power loss), is noisy, toxic fumes. Still though this is a much higher cost so it’s definitely a trade off.
Yeah, it was looking surprisingly good for my expectations of a battery unit...until he mentioned the 2.7 hour charge time on a 110v outlet lol. It's only 3.6KWh so yeah you get twice the power output of a generator and can link them up, but you burn through that juice quick and then... you need to plug in again.
Now sure if you're not using powerhog utilities you can use that for a weekend of camping or something, but as a backup for your house? Ford's upcoming F-150 EV is a much more practical backup battery pack for your house at well over 30x that size.
On the topic of this battery vs a "generator" you can however, provided you currently have sun, charge it via the solar panels which is certainly more free than acquiring extra gas during an emergency, but won't be fast and may not be practical in some circumstances. I can certainly see this being viable for a lot of applications if it was a bit larger but I wouldn't bet on it in a disaster situation unless you can scale a lot of them with a lot of solar panels and that isn't the most realistic bet let alone cost efficiency.
@Dindunuffin' ooo You can get solar panels to charge it no problem. Did you not watch the whole video?
How many?
@Cr****92 A generator converts mechanical energy into electrical power. That thing is just a container with a battery.
I have the Eccoflow River pro and I am very impressed with it, but it has one big drawback I didn't realize when I bought it. If you are using it while charging from AC (think generator charging it while it is powering something) it won't output a pure sine wave, it just passes through whatever it is getting. I was hoping to use it to clean-up power from a generator. Have you tested this scenario?
Thank you for this, that is a big deal to some.
Pass-through when connected is a much more natural engineering solution - it removes the battery power output limitation when connected to grid. As an engineer, that's how I would have implemented it as well.
You need an old 12/24 volt battery charger for a car, now put it in your gas generator and the other end into the ecoflow solar charger input, now you charge and the inveter also supply power.
@@jacobhn2 excellent idea
Thanks for the review. Do you know if you can hardwire for 100amp 12V out of this? I noticed the 12V connection on the side is limited to 30amp.
Wow this is pretty awesome, looking for something for in the bed of my truck for power I’ll be checking it out appreciate you sharing
We need more technology like this that’s efficient. Nice video!
Would be nice if this was efficient but minerals used to create batteries require great environmental destruction and recycling them is costly as well.
So the 240v only works if you have 2 units? That really sucks. Someone must have a lot of spare cash to buy two units when you can buy a gas generator for one tenth the price and it run indefinitely with some fuel.
It would be great if all of these cost less but you have some advantages you don't with gas. With gas you always have to put the 240v outlet outside, that gets expensive for install. You really need the runtime of two units for bigger 240v stuff. With it inside the house the outlet can be placed next to the panel. there is no maintenance, no noise, no one knows you have a generator in a crisis. Not saying it's cheap but it has some benefits.
@@SilverCymbal It's still just a ups.
Without a generator, solar or somerhimg to back it up, its a paperweight in a matter of hours.
@@Zomby_Woof So a gas generator doesn't become a paperweight? Both need something else to provide elecricity but the difference with this one is it doesnt waste a watt idling like gas does
@@SilverCymbal No, a gas generator dors not become a paperweight because you can easily refuel it.
A 400w panel is not going to produce anything close to 400w reliably - maybe 200w if you have good exposure
Arr you going to limit your consumption to 200w?
You'd have to if you want to use it for an extended outage.
For the cost of this ups I could get a generator installed and plumbed to lng.
The cost/capacity equation makes no sense at all.
Yes I agree. This seems like a good battery backup for a generator. It is not a generator as it does not produce its own power. A neat idea but no use during anything longer then a couple hour down time
We ordered a Ecoflow Delta Pro off Kick starter. It arrived and had a
battery fault. Sent it back, next one arrived and works Yay!
You sold us! (well, you and several UA-camrs) We ordered the Ecoflow Delta PRO as our home battery backup. Ordered the secondary battery for the unit, too! Hit the October sale for the units!
0:20 That set-up right there is what really appeals to me about this power pack. That option is game changing. My first extended power outage situation I faced we had a generator with extension cords. It helped get us by. Then for my second extended power outage we had a generator hooked up to the whole house via a 220 plug. Now that was doing a power outage in style. But the thought of powering the whole house with a pair of Delta Pros (or Pro with additional battery) is truly game changing, and would make me feel like I won the lotto. Then again, I would almost have to win the lotto to afford it. It sure ain't cheap. But in a extended power outage, it would pay for itself in convenience. What is the actual name of the accessory that connects the 2 units, and allows 220 ability? Does anybody know if it automatically comes if you order a Pro with extra battery?
you are going to power your house for about 30min with this thing
You'd be better off with a generac generator.
@@richardshultz6834 That's the keyword that's what I'm wondering my generator runs 12 hours to run our house completely I'm curious to know how long these things will last if they? will they last at least that long Before it dies.
@@nagazinafireworks7594 It depends on how many watts your house is drawing. But it is easy to calculate the approximate run time. The main unit has 3600 Watt hour (Wh) capacity so if your house is drawing 3600 watts you can run it for 1 hour. In the Video when he ran the dryer he said it can pull over 5000 Watts. Then he shows the display and one is outputting 3700 watts and the other about 2800, so in total he was drawing about 6500 watts. With both units (3600 Wh x 2 = 7200 Wh) he can run that load for about 1.1 hours (7200Wh/6500W = 1.1h). Not a long time, however, in an actual power outage, you would flip over to the backup (Battery or Generator) and likely turn off a lot of your other breakers so you are only powering the things that are essential. I have a Sense energy monitory in my home panel so I know that my house averages 1893 watts under normal use. This means that the 7200Wh could run my house for less than 4 hours. But if I'm in a power outage situation I'm not going to be running all the things. I'll pick and choose. I'm sure that when you are running your house on generator for 12 hours, you are likely doing loads of laundry.
@@ronrandquist7762 Yes, Sir. Very smart and practical reply. There is a difference between running your house normally, vs running your house in an emergency situation. In an emergency situation I would use the generator to charge the Delta Pros during the day, which shouldn't take more than 3 hours. While using the Delta Pros for power, I would conserve where possible, and pick and choose what I actually needed. I would use a small fraction of the gas necessary to provide power for an extended 7 to 10 day power outage. Plus I would have completely silent nights. At night I think 2 Delta Pros would power my fridge, small box freezer, and a small 5,000 btu AC for one of the small bedrooms all through the night. And if not, I could expand with extra batteries until it meets my needs.
For those interested, right now the single unit base version at 2016Wh with 2,400 running watts and 5,000 surge watts will cost $1700.
Yes good deals on them still at the official site here: bit.ly/3kmBslK
When it’s 1500w @ $1000, it’s mine
What are the benifits though. At the moment I can only afford...eaither ONE ecoflow with an extra battery; or Two Ecoflow Delta Pro. Which one do I choose? Im aware that Running Dual Delta Pro, will allow me to run 240v more reliably...but is that the only benifit? Aside from double the ports.
The ecoflow delta already saved my family once. We were going to go camping with our travel trailer but our truck broke down outside palm springs in 100+ temps. I was able to hook our portable AC unit to the delta and run it for an hour as we waited for the tow truck to arrive.
P.S. For the guy who commented doubting why I carry one with me on trips then deleted your comment. I carry one because my family member uses a CPAP and having an Ecoflow Delta allows them to still use it if the RV park we are at looses power as they have in the past. It also allows us to boondock without having to run a loud generator.
Wow thats awesome. I use the Delta all the time for lights and tools and it has held up super well over the past year +
I’d like to use one of these in parallel with a gas generator. The gas generator should start up automatically and run at the most efficient RPM and recharge the battery unit when it’s low, and I should be able to program what times the generator is allowed to run so it won’t start up in the middle of the night.
Evoflow is coming out with a top up gas generator that can be set for auto on (say when the batteries have dropped to 20%) and the auto off (say when batteries are 50-80% charged : your choice by software) and their generator can be used as a regular generator if you chose, but it only runs for a few hours. However that model is still in Kickstarter mode at the moment as they are rolling out the Delta Pro and putting the standard Delta on sale, so you can’t buy it outright now. Another downside of the generator is that to charge the Pro, it will take up one of the extra battery plugs in the back, so you could only get 1 external extender battery connected at any given time. Also reviewers are clamoring for a propane dual fuel version of the generator, since propane stores much longer than gas and you don’t have to keep adding stabilizer like you do with stored gasoline. Hope Ecoflow is listening!
Another excellent review
Cool technology, especially the 400 watt solar panels! Thanks for sharing this
Awesome review. Who needs ads when you have such good reviews.
To put it simply, this is NOT a generator. This is a well designed power pack .
It doesn’t generate power, it stores power.
Yes, but you can charge from the sun. Whenever your out of gas with the gas generators, unless you have access to more gas, your SOL. Not only that, you cant put gas generators into your home. This thing is a game changer, hands down.
@@aserabus its more batteries....electric crap is getting out of hand
I see you’re a man of fine taste. Do a review on your land cruiser next!
He will when they sell them on a website he can get a kickback from.
Someone understand the game he's running
Can't wait for mine to show up. Good review!
Awesome product ! Great video. Thank-you
Thank you so much
I really like this unit as a potential way to power my fishing cabin and potentially being able to power the window air conditioner and the mini refrigerator ..... along with a few lights. Not sure if solar panels would keep the batteries topped off though, especially in winter. The portable panels are good for mobility but I would prefer fixed panels that can live outdoors for home use. Either that or have one of these and a small gas generator that could charge the Batteries and then shut down to conserve fuel. In extended power outages, fuel can be difficult to find .... after a major storm for example. I feel like a decent size propane tank and propane generator and solar and the Ecoflow Pro might be able to keep essential things working for a long time. Is it possible to expand the battery storage with a couple external Lithium phosphate batteries similar to Battle Born for example? Inergy has the expansion option but not the phosphate chemistry that offers several thousand charge cycles. I would prefer a drop in storage area so that batteries could be replaced and also expanded. It’s difficult to know if a built in unit is worth the price .... or if the portable units are reliable and robust enough to keep food from spoiling and keep the air conditioner running...... this one looks like it might work if there was a fuel based mini generator also on hand to bump the charge back up to approximately 80 pct in the night.
I will be ordering two 3600 KWh units with batteries for my 40' diesel pusher RV. I have been waiting for this and October's rollout is not that long to wait.
I fully understand the capabilities of this system along with the installation in any application you could possibly think of. If you didn't know, the batteries in question look somewhat like the Delta Pro units except they have no inverter built into them. You can hook up 2 Delta Pro Smart Batteries to each Delta Pro unit, I was on the fence about purchasing 4 of these batteries, but in my application, I only need 2 of them for the 14.4kWh 240v system I desire. What makes the Ecoflow system so unique is the fact that it's so versatile and expandable. I will be purchasing 2 Delta Pro 3600kWh units & 2 Delta Pro 3600kWh Smart batteries, a dual output cable, needed for my 240v RV installation, and the optional remote control. I will be using the existing solar panels on my RV with a combined output of 1600W, negating any need to plug into an external charging source to keep the system charged. I hope this answers any questions you might have, any further explanation will result in a consulting fee. lol
@@bluejayjimmy I’m in 32’ travel trailer. I am not mechanically inclined at all. I will be living off grid on property I bought, until I can build. Will this system be sufficient or do you recommend a different set up?
Finally a review that helps people understand a system that is expandable and will work!
On my wishlist. Great review video.
Forget the generator where do you get the slidey thing on your circuit board?
Granted this is bleeding edge but $4k for 240v and 7200W I would still stick with known gas generators
Those are interlocks, and you need to get the right one for your circuit panel here is one amzn.to/3eotXqF
Thank you
The electricians put that in place when I had the inlet box installed to the house. Pretty cool.
@@SilverCymbal I knew it was an interlock (couldn't remember the name though (thanks)) , but that specific one I was curious about
For 4k I can buy a 10,000 watt diesel generator and have enough money left over to run it for a year.
Great Review! Thank you! I think this is a great Stealth option for backup power. I am disappointed it does not have any water resistance or splash protection. For the price they should include a cover that allows it to operate outside with some measure of breathability and protection from the elements. Also, solar may not be a viable option to help recharge it in areas like the Northeast during the winter Grey skies.
Really well-presented review. May get one!
So, could 2 units power a refrigerator, a chest freezer, heat/ac handler? How many battery/inverter units would be required?
Great video! This unit is amazing.
This "Game Changer" would leave me CHANGELESS! 😳
I have one already. Everything said here is 100% accurate. I use mine every day as a power source for my van.
@@RealQ35
Go to kickstarter
Considering this system for my home backup battery. I would want to have multiple battery units and the automatic transfer switch that they’re offering. My solar array is AC coupled and without batteries it gets shut down by my utility company’s islanding requirements. I haven’t seen how much their smart transfer switch is yet but with only 10 circuits it will only be of limited use. I already have an interlock like yours and an inlet (not an outlet as you stated) for my portable generator. I’m hoping that this can be integrated not as a portable system but as a permanently installed battery system that will work with everything I already have. Ecoflow hasn’t been very helpful with my questions yet. I’m hoping they start offering more answers before all of the good pricing is gone on the kickstarter.
The smart home transfer sub panel they are offering is $800
This is one of the best reviews I've ever seen about anything. Great job!
Glad you liked it!
Over all, this was a pretty good review of these products, but!, other than showing the length of run times with the various loads, you did NOT spend much time discussing the RUN TIMES with the various loads, true it was shown on the displays, but you could have improved the review greatly if you would have pointed out the run times, some of which were not very long at all.
Showing this battery running a dryer, is ridiculous, even a gas dryer will kill this battery quickly. This device could be useful, but you'd have to be delusional to count on it for emergency situations. Spend the money on a gas generator and a gas can.
I have a test unit and extra battery and I do laundry all day long with a gas dryer. I do have 1000W of solar connected though. Good luck lining up at a gas station after a hurricane.
You are so right Mr. Newkirk ....along with how long does it take to charge full ....and if the electric is still out now what ? ....pull out the gas generator and charge your new purchase each day ......?????
It would be good for lights and coffee maker for a long weekend camping maybe a small portable refrig for your beer .......will not disturb anyone that wants peace and quite
Would rather buy a Tesla battery for your house ....last longer
@@n2rj The point is to go off grid. You are still depending on natural gas or propane.
These things likely won't run your average refrigerator overnight. No one is talking about average run times for the most commonly used appliances.
I have a Generac Generator which runs on natural gas. Last power outage it powered my central air conditioning unit and my pool filter and my entire house with 3 refrigerators for about 3 days with no issues. I did raise the thermostat up to about 72 degrees while the generator was running so it would not get overtaxed.
A generac will also run my natural gas furnace if we have a power outage when it’s cold. We also have sump pumps that depends on having power during rain storms. The generac also works during a blizzard or a hurricane.
Great Video..
Quick, informative and High quality.. Thanks
Can you do a comparation between the ecoflow delta Pro and the Bluetty ep500?!?
Like the fact that you can connect multiple units together so you don't have to spend a lot of money at once
I agree, and some companies do that and outdate the units so fast they don't give you a chance. l appreciate Ecoflow has been a stand up company, still selling their original line years later, I fully expect they will do the same with their new Pro line, so you truly can buy batteries 2 years from now
What I would like to know is when you had this unit on full draw, how long would it last? For instance how long can you run a dryer before the battery runs out without any added charging to the unit?
It will run 3600 watts for one hour. Extra batteries offer that capacity as well so you can have 3600 watts x 3 hours. Obviously thats a lot of power per hour most will use 200-400 watts per hours.
Love your videos, good info! Pure sine output, battery capacy, max output, surge, solar (how long to charge 80% from solar)?
While I love technology, especially regarding home backup generator situations, solar panels, solar hot water systems, micro hydro generation, etc etc my first thoughts on this is the price. BOTH of the unit and the cost of the electricity it's putting out. I'm sure someone will put together a graph that shows and compares TOTAL COSTS of this unit versus a more conventional diesel or propane/natural gas powered generation and carry those figures right out to a final cost. BUT right now conventional diesel or propane/nat gas would have the price advantage in a home backup generation situation. Plus I want to know how long these things will last...how many cycles can one expect out of using the power and then recharging the unit IF I'M SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY!! That diesel generator if it's taken care of and (with a little luck) will last for decades. So those costs are well known today, where the true costs of this brand new technology are "guesstimated" and aren't yet known. Though it IS cool...
Lithium Ion battery cycles given a certain chemistry have well known quantities of discharge cycles at this point. None of this information is new. That generally runs around 4000 cycles before the battery becomes somewhat degraded.
Yes you're paying more than a typical gas generator, but you're also gaining capabilities. Battery Inverter generators efficiently store all generated power, gas generators end up wasting most of the power produced. Gas generators only work if fuel is available, battery inverter chargers with connected solar work anytime the sun is available. Battery Inverter chargers provide clean, usable power for electronics. Most gas generators do not and will eventually ruin electrical motors.
My ideal scenario as a Floridian is having both on hand. I have all the benefits of each with very few disadvantages.
They must have a hydrogen generator by now?
Extremely skeptical of these. No where does it mention run time on their website, and I also didn't hear run time stats mentioned in this video
@@koreyb You are also losing a lot of capabilities compared to an actual generator. If you need to run this unit at full capacity you get less than one hour of runtime. A Honda generator with a full tank of gas costs about the same as these units but will run at full capacity for many hours.
@@derek723 yea basically to replace a gallon of gas you'd have to spend car money on a stack of these. energy density of fossil fuels is just that extreme vs battery.
Thing about a generator is that it generates power. I can nearly throw together an 800w @ 12v battery bank for the same cost as one of these.
That’s a small fraction of the output of one of these though?
@@jjoncm1 9600 watts for mine vs 3600 watts for there’s. It requires 2 Deltas for 7200 watts which would bring my setup to more than 18000 watts.
@@jjoncm1 - 800w @ 12v = 800x12 = 9600 watts x 2 = 19200 watts.
@@White000Crow okay you said 800w at 12v, think you got some of the units mixed up so was confused.
@@jjoncm1
Fact of the matter is, is that you are Wrong & always have been your entire life, & he is Right.
Informative, thanks…
I have a question about the 240 setup with Ecoflow.
Using the Ecoflow smart home panel, how would you configure a 3.5 ton (42000 btu) centralized air conditioning with 40 amp in the house breaker box panel to the smart home panel.
The smart home panel consists of 4 - 30 amp max and 6 - 20 amp max. I would like to set up a home emergency backup system that includes the downstairs centralized AC system.
you can’t, 30 amp max
You have to pick the 10 circuits that you need the most in a black out system. That whole house A/C takes too much amperage. You should pick circuits where you could plug in 1or two 5000 BTU room A/C to keep some areas cool. These systems are MAINLY designed as portable back up systems and for remote off grid SMALL residences and travel options, you look like you are looking for a stationary whole house system.
Can this be used for a continuous use application. I have a grow room with multiple lights, fans, 1 a/c. Not apart of my home. Instead of installing an entire permanent system like on a home, it seems I could use this and power this one grow room. Maybe get 7200 watt setup, get the flexible solar panels of 400 watts. What do you think?
Very impressive but expensive as well
Retail is much more expensive. Glad I ordered mine on Kickstarter.
cheaper with a gas generator
I think it's best just to get solar generator, panel and battery install to home. You get government incentives and low electricity bill to no bill. Plus the fact that it will raise home value up.
All of these generator are getting up there in prices. Just get a portable one for camping and outdoor activity (500 watts to 1500 watts).
Yeah really. 4k is way too much. Forget this thing.
@@NESDwayne Jesus 4k? I can buy an awesome gas generator for that.
Can you do a test running your house air conditioning? I’m interested how long it would run that for since it’s half the capacity just for the AC outside plus the blower fan in the furnace.
The run time meter is very handy. But home central AC units really burn up power. Is 40 minute run time or less enough to make you happy running your central AC? Probably not. With any real world experience with these things, you develop an understanding of how much utility power you take for granted.
@@kimmer6 that’s what I was afraid of
@@kimmer6 your last sentence - 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Ecoflow offers a smart generator also that works in conjunction with this unit. It comes on automatic when the levels drop down to a level you choose. It also has push button start or pull start. There is also a wind turbine in the works.
Great video. Answered most of my questions. Thanks.
I never thought this day would come
Soooooooo you have to charge these correct? Wouldn’t that make them storage devices? The cost? Until they cost much less than a true generator (a device with a rotating armature) they aren’t going to really catch on. A 3500 watt device will only support about half that before requiring a recharge and that power for recharging has to come from somewhere.
Don't you add gas to a traditional generator, it's not self powering. This one can be with solar panels, run forever and never leave the house
@@SilverCymbal The analogy is not right, what are adding to the Ecoflow to Recharge it. The power is coming from some kind of Generator right. Gas is the power, Solar is the power. The Ecoflow is Big battery with inverter(120VAC, 240 Volts AC. The only way this product becomes a portable device is by using Photovoltaic Panels or Gas Generator like the Honda Generator. I hope you understand that.
Your concern is valid, without a way of recharging the product its a paperweight. it will not recharge itself. Comparing this power station( , battery pack with inverter) to actual Electric generator is kind of ridiculous. its only portable with solar(PV) and gas generator.
While it probably has enough, in term of wattage to last long time before recharge(depends on what is being attached to it), The Honda generator using gasoline which is very dense in power, compared to battery storage, will go a lot longer then the ECO, because you can keep refilling the gas tank. YOu can look up a list on line that gives power density of gas compared lithium or what ever this is variant is.
The comparison should be between Gasoline and batteries(any battery, because they are both power storage units.
Is the solar panel plug in special or universal? Does the unit control the wattage coming in if your panels put out more than 400 watts peak. Would be nice to plug into home solar panels for charging.
MP 4 connectors but my regular Delta (not Pro) model (July of 2021) came with older adapters too. There is an internal controller that will keep the max input @ 400 watts (1200 for the Pro model) and not overload the system per the customer services rep on website’s CHAT option
Running my 240v well pump is my main concern. Its 100 yards from the house and wired to its own separate circuit. But I need TWO of these for that?
You do need the two of them, but a well pump is perfect for these since they run for so little time but are critical I would thin for an average house you could probably get a week time off this setup for well backup alone
The term "generator" is loosely applied here.
Battery power is expensive. These run $3600 each. For 240v, you'll neet two. The biggest advantage of these is they are portable, quiet and almost maintenance free. A disadvantage is limited run time with extended power outages unless you have expensive solar panels ($400 per 160watts). A fixed base 24kw standby gas generator can be had for about $6000 but requires regular maintenance. It's anyone's call. If I were going to power my home, I'd go with a gas generator. If I had to evacuate, battery powered sources might be an advantage.
Yeah it’s only realistically a generator in the situation of grabbing a few extension cords and camping out in one room, and no heating or cooling. Bluetti AC300 is getting pretty close to an actual backup generator with the ability to solar charge at 2400 watts, and about 12,000Wh of battery minus efficiency.
@@joebuck4496 It's not a generator at all. It has to be recharged by an external source so is really just a battery bank.
@@RobNMelbourne I always just assume it to also include panels. Although I usually use them just as power stations I did buy a lot of portable panels just in case.
@ 6:34 Silver Cymbal just rolls three of these right into camera shot....now that's a bit a money!
True, but it's great that even if you just buy one you still get the app, features and you can add to it later. They have proven to keep a product around for a while. Other companies can't get it right and keep changing platforms over and over leaving customers behind.
@@SilverCymbal Looks like EcoFlow really put some thought into these batteries. With features like a house integration panel and a smart sun-tracking solar panel mount their thinking long term. Let us know if you get those add ons in the future to test. I hope this competition from ECO Flow brings other companies to this level! (especially Jackery....being left in the dust).
Does this thing support instant power switching from main to battery to use like a UPS?
My (2021) STANDARD Delta has my freezer and my home side by side fridge plugged in continuously and the Delta is plugged into A/C power. If A/C is interrupted they automatically switch to battery after a few microseconds. However if you are running sensitive large computer servers or medical equipment, that few seconds might be enough for fine electronics to switch off and not come back on automatically (you would have to check each device). To solve that problem I have an inexpensive APC brand continuous power module plugged into the Delta, and the desktop server plugged into the APC….the APC would bridge the microsecond gap for the Delta back up to switch on…not to mention extend my server time for another 2 hours itself
The unite is fine a bit expense.I wish they had some other options in order to generate power not just Solar panels.For example: If is wind during the night or if u r camping next river...
I'm a big fan of solar generators. Been using them for years. Interesting how this is suddenly a "new thing", or at least implied to be. It's pretty impressive none-the-less.
Fear mongering in this crazy world these days. Same with all the long term foods. I looked at Patriot foods and solar gens. They both are garbage but play on fear.
Not new - just the best to date! Mine arrives shortly. I'm getting it for backup + take with me on trip use. Unfortunately my 2 solar arrays will not be plugging into this (one has microinverters, one is on my garage and way too high voltage) and also cannot be used with the grid down but this is my interim solution and has more value as well than my future plan of hybrid inverter, automatic transfer switch, server rack battery setup.
Great video and great tech from EcoFlow, but YIKES even the discounted prices make this cost-prohibitive for most folk. Home backup for > $4,000-$5,000 compared to a gas generator at < $1,000... This tech is amazing, but I hope the prices come down fast.
I feel like most shtf scenarios means no gas. This is way out of my budget, but dang it I want one!
@@jonruprecht4099 If you're into disaster prep and already have the elbow room for a gas generator, it's not difficult to keep 5-10 gallons of stabilized fuel on hand at all times. You should be able to keep the fuel reasonably fresh through routine generator operation (running the thing monthly under load is generally recommended) or just consume it in a vehicle.
This is where having a dual fuel generator is good to have. Propane lasts a long time
@@nullinterface2077 yeah I hear ya. I always think of shtf where you may need to run the thing for 6 months or something.
No this tech is NOT amazing. Its a fancy battery that when it runs out its done for until you have the grid or a huge solar array and hopefully sunny days to recharge it. Nothing in any of our modern technology can hold a candle stick to an actual petrol powered generator that can run and run and run and run as long as it has a fuel supply and generate gargantuan amounts more power than these batteries that are far overpriced can ever supply. These are not generators, they are not generating anything. They are storage batteries that discharge quickly without a backend support to keep solar or grid energy feeding all the time. Your assessment of a home fuel powered generator, a true generator, is realistic and they are functionally dependable unlike these one shot run battery banks. Remember that when storm systems are strong enough to take your grid power, they usually darken the skies, making solar useless, sometimes for days on end. Better learn to really, and I mean really trickle drain that thing with minimal crap hooked to it if you want days of power. Good luck! I'll stick to my little 300wh solar bank for camping and my real generator for grid down stuff. I guess the only thing that is viable option to a gas generator is a whole house solar array, like a Tesla system with 2 or 3 powerwalls, and enough panels to collect even overcast, rain or shine light.
thanks great product/vid........big fan of the channel, but i wish at the beginning he state if he was on the 'take' w/the co./distributer or getting on for free? the transparency really helps me decide......... fyi
Got a great deal on one, at Costco for $2899.00, with free shipping. We already have a Predator 9000/7250 watts, Tri-fuel generator, that runs off our homes NG. We bought this as a backup to our generator. We have two manual transfer switches, to backup our entire house. I installed two additional inlets, in the house, so the Delta Pro can stay connected to them, to be ready to use, at the press of a button. I installed two changeover switches, so we can switch between generator and battery power. (Works great)
Now my wife, and I, can restore power to our house in a few minutes. This allows me the time to set up our generator later. If, the power goes out at night, I don't have to get out of my PJ's to restore power. Also, saves on fuel. Well worth the money in my book.
So after a hurricane and your power is out for 2 weeks, what exactly will these "Generators" generate? Once the batteries run out, which will be fast, the only thing you will be generating will be moldy food in your fridge.
just as like gas may run out, at least these can be recharged by solar
Average household energy use is 28kw per day. This "generator" only outputs 3kw and even with 3 of these it's still not enough for a day out of power. Not worth it
The vast majority of that power is from dryer, hot water tank and heating. In an emergency, do away with the dryer / hot water tank, and heating from wood stove.
Maybe it makes people feel cool to have an electric battery,
Impressive! For a battery bank. However the versatile-ness of these devices is amazing though!
Hmmm, I wonder how it handles the Locked Rotor Amperage of an A/C
It doesn't do worry
Although a great review I wish he would have given more information on the length of time the battery will last for on certain loads. Yes it ran two pressure washers. But for how long? How long for a fridge or freezer or his well pump?
Be careful when people do. There are such vriances in appliances and most appliances like fridges and ac's cycle on an off but some examples with this one. You can run a fridge for about 40-60 hours or an 5000btu AC for about 24 hours. Hope this is helpful. More specs and examples here: bit.ly/3kmBslK
@@SilverCymbal It would have been good to know how long this works in real-world scenarios. I’m glad you could start your dryer, but could you finish the entire load/drying cycle? How much power was left?
When connected to your house for an “emergency”, how long were you able to run the fridge, lights, tv, internet, computers, etc. before the unit was fully depleted?
For the 240v option, can 1 Delta Pro along with the extra battery do the job or is 2 Delta Pros needed?
I have to say I’m pretty impressed 👍