Here’s What I Love (And Hate) About The New 2022 Toyota Tundra After Owning It For a Month!
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I bought my Ram 1500 5.7L Crew Cab -Built to Serve Big Horn for $53k sticker and got it for $46k. it’s amazing. The Rebel like seats, good stereo, skid plates, small lift, heated seats, wheel and mirrors, tow package and controller, 4WD auto mode is a great deal. I’ve been getting 19mpg mixed driving and over 20mpg on highway trips. That’s darned good for a 5.7L. We looked at Ford and Nissan and the Ram was the best value. It looks like if I waited on the new Tundra I’d still go for the Ram for sure.
Tommy is absolutely right. For 60k it isn't all that impressive, and 20" wheels on an offroad truck WTF Toyota.
Well. It is a Toyota. Build to last.
And no tow hooks.
Tadasivar except the 2nd Gen Tundra is also a Toyota and it had a strong V8 engine and was very competitive for a long time. Now it is a comfort Instagram truck with a only a 3.4 Turbo engine or hybrid, no tow hooks, barely improved the payload, smaller cabs, etc.
@@munecaeburro I replaced a turbocharger on one today because the dealership was to greedy to only 200 miles and a turbo was leaking oil already. Built to last lol yea right!
@@danielmeador1991 Warranty job?
NAILED IT …. For 57k (without tax)there should be more standard features …. Glad you guys do an honest review
Nissan has so much standard equipment
Man thats how much i paid for my 21 platinum. Toyota really dropped the ball with the new gen
I mean my 2019 Ram Big Horn stickered for 57K over three years ago. Now it does have heated seats, steering wheel, bed lighting, upgraded stereo, full LED lights. It does not have all the safety tech which I wish Ram would put it in all their trims like Toyota.
@@ohioguy4326 I have safety features and all that and it was only 49k and it’s a 2021 lol
@@jshapiro34 but it's a Nissan...
I think a lot of people would like to see an MPG loop video with the Tundra, considering that is a big deal and reason for going to the V6. If you could get your hands on a 21 with the 5.7 and do the mpg loops together, even better
The grill and front end sucks, ALL PLASTIC!!The chrome bumper on the rear is cheap as hell now, it should go all the way around, not painted on the left and right sides below the tail lights. And if you think you're going to get the same type of reliability/durability from a twin Turbo V6, that you'd get from the old 5.7 normally aspirated, Think again... A lot more moving parts and stress on the engine to fail.
That's OK Toyota, I'll save the $55K and buy one of the older proven 5.7 tundras...
Anyone who buys a full size p/u trk thinking they’re getting good mpg needs their head examined
I agree with Austin! Only thing holding me back from upgrading is looking for the tow and mpg ratings on the upcoming hybrid. Still love my 17 platinum 5.7 but the gas kills me.
@@hawkpantera9425 🎯
@@johnfranktullo3463 There's quite a few trucks that are capable of averaging over 20 mpg combined these days. It's going to be a cause for purchase at this point if a truck can get good mpg or not.
3:30 Classic Father son moment. I also work with my father, and I’m going to try and appreciate them more!!!
Of all the trucks tested by TFL in the last year I feel that Andre's F 150 is by far the best value.
Yes
Andre is not stupid.... he knows.
That thing is ugly as hell tho to my eyes. Not the best off roader but for mpg, power, and as a work truck and towing truck it is very good. Also could become more capable with just a few mods but as it stands now i don’t enjoy looking at his truck lol. But like you said for the money it is good for sure. It’s crazy more people don’t go that route and save money and just do a few mods of your choice to make it better and look better and rip off that ugly low hanging chin if you off road.
Man, there are so many QoL features that have been standard for 5-10 years at this point. Considering that’s a mid level truck, you can get a high end ford, Ram, or Chevy for that price. I think Ram has the best interior and feature options for the money, so I’m surprised to still see the hump in the back seat, no power plugs/lights in the bed, and analogue cluster.
Correct! I love Toyota but this is nothing more than a hype product. They caught up with the times but didn’t innovate anything. Reliability is not a selling point to me because all of these new cars and trucks have been terrible at that and Toyota is no different.
64k for a mid trim truck just because its got some off road equipment? How about no
I would disagree with the subscription service not being a big deal. As you pointed out it's an expensive truck, and if I've paid for a feature like remote start I expect it to be a part of the vehicle, not a service. My 2015 Ram 1500 is equipped with remote start and after 6 years it still works and I'm not paying anything to Ram. Hopefully my truck lasts for a good long while because new truck prices have become silly. Aside from the hybrid F150 none of the new trucks are more functional than mine, and the fuel economy hasn't improved enough to warrant the payments I'd have to make.
Over all I think Toyota did a solid job, but they missed some key opportunities so I doubt Ford, GM and Ram will have to worry about their sales anytime soon. Keep up the excellent work.
Too many misses on this truck. No tow hooks, no 4Auto, no on-board power inverter. Toyota BARELY caught the competition, and in some ways, even after 8 years of the 2014 slight refresh, they are still way behind. As Roman said, the only piece of innovation on this truck is the tailgate release button in the taillight, and that's not available on the SR or SR5 trims, where it's likely most needed. The twin turbo V6 has already been done, the massive infotainment screen has been done, the rear 5 link suspension has been done and the composite bed has been done. After being hyped as a "world beater", it's just not good enough, swing and a miss Toyota.
@Sleepybear723 I'm a spec sheet gen-xer...the millennial is correct. Luke warm offering in the most competitive sector of the market.
@Sleepybear723 It's not just spec-sheet analysis, it's being objective.
Well said! Well said. This is definitely a TuRD!
I'm nearly 39 years old and agree with the original post...I have a 2011 Limited Tundra so I bought into the hype that this new 22 Tundra was going to be a game changer...I think it's a nice truck but nothing compelling versus the competition....when we get back to the big 3 offering 10k discounts this new Tundra will offer even less value ....
Agreed I have a 17 Tacoma TRD OR 4x4... was thinking about trading it in this summer for a Tundra, no chance.
After 18 years all they can come up with is a tail light that can lower the tailgate?
In the gm trucks you can do that in the cab or on the key fob
My 4 cylinder 2009 Tacoma is paid off and it’s moved tons of crates, furniture, concrete, and marble allover SoCal. Although I like this new truck, I’m not feeling the price or the mpg.
I have a 2005 Tundra that has only 79000 miles on it. I purchased it back in 2009 for $20000. I acknowledge the fact that mine only has airbags. I just can’t pay $40000 and above for a vehicle. It’s a vehicle that is parked for most of its existence and exposed to the elements. Talk about disposal income! I’ll continue to love my 2005.
Love the live, unedited feel here. Keeping it real guys….
As far as the truck goes, for almost 60k for a mid level truck, I want recovery hooks, a way into the bed and not having to pay a monthly subscription for certain screen/truck functions (eg, remote start).
yea get ready for the manufacturers to get us with subscriptions for features that should just work.
Remote start is subscription?!
17mpg??? What the HECK Toyota? I get why they moved to a twin turbo V6 over the previous V8 (fuel economy) but have a 10yr old Suburban sitting in my garage with nearly 200K on it that gets 17mpg all day long. I was seriously considering this truck as a replacement for my Suburban, but now I'm moving on to something else.
I have heard that Toyota’s service dept are filthy and always full of people trying to get their vehicles fixed. And no shuttles either, you are on your own, again
The appeal of the Tundra, especially these days, is how much it gives you standard. A lot of its competitors still charges you to upgrade from halogen bulbs, a wheel well liner, adaptive cruise...etc.
I own a 2018 crew limited, love my truck. Will not even remotely consider the new tundra… many many misses. No tow hooks, no rear entry steps, shorter bed depth, horrible seats (the previous gen are so comfortable). I would love for you guys to do an actual side by side comparisons with the previous gen, not set up by Toyota this time, and actually show the real world differences. Ike them both with the same trailer, mpg loop same time, haul cargo and get in and out of the bed (use them).
front end and interior looks shamefully cheap
The Toyota lover driver looks cramped driving that plastic pos .
Just love the blinking screen my Ram Limited 🐏 kicks this trucks ass hands down went to Florida 22.4 mpg lololo
You left out a few things like more HP and torque, more updated features for luxury, safety and off-roading, fully boxed frame, rear coil springs, rear locker. And most of all several orders of of magnitude better MPG (like 30% more). Over lifetime ownership, that's adds up. I am sorry to hear about the seats being less comfortable though as I am tall and I like my SR5 cloth seats a lot.
@@sly9263 I agree. That is one ugly truck
That interior is decades ahead of my 2020, give me a 10 speed with my 5.7 iforce and that would be ideal. I think you’d see similar fuel economy numbers as this TT V6
Great video review. I love TFL and as a dad I absolutely love the Father and son reviews. It’s wholesome and nice to see in this crazy world we live in. Wish you much success and many more video reviews that we can all enjoy.
“Features” may not be the most important factor but reliability and durability are the features that give me smiley face whenever I drive a Toyota in decades to come and never want to part with my Toyota. My past Toyota vehicles I have always driving for 20 years or longer. My current Toyota is 16 years old and is running flawlessly at 312,325 miles as of this writing. Engine(no oil consumption or leaks), transmission, shock absorbers, struts, control arms, stabilizers, fuel pump, engine mounts, paint, electric windows, iced cold AC, upholstery, carpets all original as they came with the car in 2005. Cannot speak the same for other brands I have owned. We have at least 6 vehicles at any given time because 4 kids in college I cannot afford repair bills.
You must have a good job
There’s not enough innovation in this truck to compete with the Big 3. All this generation did was catch them up with the competition which will soon leave Tundra behind in their dust. The only chance at redemption Toyota had was to price this much lower which they failed at.
Toyota is out-of-touch with the market. Like using 20" wheels for their "Trd Off-Road" package.
You’re literally justifying that my original comment that the tundra is already outclassed is proving true
@@naveenthemachine cant even get into the bed on these tundras. Absolutely pathetic. I'm not sure if they even caught up to Ford or GM with this generation. Still seems like its miles behind. And for a truck that expensive and with the fact toyota never has incentives means this truck is a massive fail in my book. Toyota will remain at the bottom of the list with this.
Ehhh. Theres ome thing they got going for them though. Reliability. Although thats still up in the air though.... and i dont think ice trucks are gonna get much better. Toyota should have used their dynforce technology....
@@JattAnmoli miles behind..thats rich... Our 2007 has had less issues than out neighbors 2019 ford out other friends 2021 Chev..and I'm not even entertaining a dodge. You do realize that our 2007 tundra has a 3/4 frame while your Chev just has a 1/2 ton frame....
I'd run our tundra against any of the american trucks.. If you havent owned both..you have no leg to stand on.
The one thing that always bothers me about having a center console with all the buttons is the proximity to the cup holders. I have had to replace buttons and clean them countless times due to splashed liquids. This is one of the reasons I went without a center console in my 2018 Silverado 2500 and opted for the flip down arm rest. Makes for a good barrier to keep the dogs in the back seat as well so they don't want to jump on the console or go back and forth.
Silicone drink straws help a lot. Also increases LPS, liquid per sip, efficiency.
That's why I keep a small cupholder sized leak proof bottle...I shouldn't have to, but it has saved me from any accidents.
@@fortheloveofnoise just need to figure out a way to convince my wife to keep the top on her drinks lol
Leaving the dogs at home will keep your truck cleaner!!!
@@davehudson4607 true but what good is a bird dog if you don't take them hunting with you?
I appreciate this update so much as it helped me narrow my new truck choices. Now I can take the Tundra off my list. If this were a value play and undercut the competition on price then maybe. Seems like Toyota rested on their past success here.
Their schtick is reliability...not all the fancy bells and whistles that break over time.
I agree, and it's ugly to boot.
@@ryan_bitt the one reason its still a competitor
Haha...because you need buttons over reliability..🤣
You weren't looking for reliability...so that's OK.
I think the new tundra is a nice truck. I just think they missed the mark on some things.
With the giant hump in the back and the under seat storage taking up half the floor, Toyota seems to have no idea how consumers actually use their crew cabs. SMH.
I get about 15 combined with my 5.7 and got 18 overall driving from Denver to Steamboat Springs so not really impressed with the gas mileage they are talking about
Depending on my driving aggressiveness I get anywhere from 15.5 to 17.3mpg with my 2015 5.7ltr. …plus it’s paid and has only 86k….This truck is the same trim I only paid $38k for. These “chip shortage” prices are such a farce.
what I get 10-11 mpg💀💀💀
That hump in rear middle is really lazy. Cmon Toyota. Agreed with Tommy on lack of tie downs/ bed light. Really the hybrid is only thing left to test/flog. Overall nice truck . Good improvements but not best at anything.
I agree with Tommy on fuel mileage it's 17 mpg why would I get that V6 when my V8 sounds good and fuel is close to the same
I think this platform is ideally being used for the iforce hybrid system. For most people, daily use with the base engine is fine. I can’t remember exactly what the numbers were when they Ike’d it but I’d rather have the mass of a V8 if I were trailering anything greater than 5000lbs. Toyota makes very good vehicles but I think a lot of “truck guys” will stay away due to styling and lack of an extra 2 cylinders.
I'll take a slight hit in mpg to gain the peace of mind of rock solid durability reliability and longevity!
Real world driving differs from EPA ratings. Driving up the mountain hiway i only got 12mpg, it "suppose" to get 17 on the "hiway." ...... key word, mountain hiway, that's uphill, that's real world. TFL is in Colorado, i don't think that's very flat ground unless they most drive on the east side of the mountains.....
@@FuJiNF Point very well made my friend 👍🏼
@@FuJiNF that’s why he is getting 14mpg 😂
4:14 Ford also kept the V8 as an option... Big miss for Toyota
They may kept the v8 but you’ll never they are paying high taxes. They are rushing up their agenda of electrification by slowly make emissions stricter
@@ra_redesignautomobiles What?
I agree. Should have more options. V8 one of them.
The Toyota V8 is garbage
They should have kept the V8 and added 10 speed transmission
Your right, They should have just upgrade the V8 engine's for more economy and upgrade the transmission's !!!!
"World Beater" probably not...bottom line is bottom line. They will sell more of these than the previous gen but for how long? The other manufacturers are already bringing more to the table within the next year that will surpass this truck and the coming Hybrid. For $60k+ I really expected so much more.
I don’t think they will sell more then previous gen. They really stretched out the reveal of the 2022 Tundra and expectations were sky high. These trucks are VERY expensive and too long to fit in the average garage and not offering a V8 is a big mistake.
You’re too generous. Not only is this Tundra not a World beater, but it will be 4th in sales behind Ford, Ram, & GM … heck, even 5th if we separate Chevy & GMC. Power Nation has a great perspective on the Tundra: once people realize that the quality (reliability) gap has closed; Toyota’s golden goose will be cooked.
@@krasnaludek298 I agree...I have a Toyota Yaris and a Toyota Tundra.... Toyota makes great cars after all that's what they built their reputation on....meh... not impressed... I'm at 100k and it's not been trouble free several major work....45k new in 2011.maybe that's how all trucks are but I'll be going a different route when it's time to replace it
The front end sticks out too much beyond the tires and the grill going to bumper looks like a handlebar mustache
From what I have seen with the new Tundra, I’m very happy I bought my 2021 Tundra TRD Off Road.
I would love to see a good old fashioned TFL MPG loop now that you have some miles on it.
Time to see some proof for the 18 or 19 mpg Tommy’s dad was talking about!
@@ItsAlive111 It was displayed on the dash the best mileage the truck got was 17.1 miles per gallon the average mileage on the truck was 14.2 miles per gallon. That truck has never seen a 19 miles per gallon. My 21 tundra gets 19 miles to gallon on the highway regularly. And I also have a 2017 1794 tundra that has a way nicer interior than that truck. I will keep my V-8 tundra’s I know they will last forever. The new tundra even has a smaller interior with terrible seats who wants that. The list of drawbacks of the new truck goes on and on I can’t imagine wanting to get the new one.
@@stevenlefebvre2991 thanks, TFL should know by know that car/truck computer mpgs are optimistic. That being said, I bet the new 10 speed transmission helps compared to the old 6 speed
@@stevenlefebvre2991 lol sounds like you're trying to justify buying the year before a total model remake. I get maybe 19 mpg on a all highway trip at 60mph, I get 13 when I drive anything close to city driving and 14 combined when commuting an hour on highway while driving city the rest of the day. The difference between a 2019 and a 2022 mpg driving 30,000miles/yr at their EPA published GPM is $150/mo at today's gas prices.
@@berkit1959 in all due respect the problem is the truck is not getting the mileage the factory said it was going to get.
You know the son was thinking to himself “told ya so dad” when it showed the previous best MPG was 17.2
Anyone who bought the 5.7L V8 knew what they were getting into with fuel economy, myself included. That was not even a downside to the truck, in my opinion. This new look and engine are so much less attractive than the previous years. They look cheaply built in comparison and used V8s will be in high demand for their reliability and quality. Sorry, but I’m critical on this one.
Neal Schertz You're absolutely right, technology is all good but that doesn't replace for what people want, and that's under the hood as well, which is a very good V8 engine, and good transmission as well, And since, we're talking about technology They could have just upgraded the V8 engine technology and upgrade the transmission for more efficient problem solved !!!
@@erictate8986 ah yeah so easy to just magically “upgrade” v8 engine technology. Thanks for your enlightening input. I’m sure you’re a world class engineer.
@@areallytallguy they could have implemented cylinder deactivation and a 10 Speed Transmission to improve the fuel economy of the 5.7.
@@itninja9503 cylinder deactivation is incredibly unreliable (just ask GM) for not that great of fuel savings overall. Going to a 10 speed also isn’t going to magically improve fuel economy that much either, and you have further reliability issues. Turbos can also have reliability issues, but the trade off on emissions and fuel economy can actually be worth it, unlike your suggestions.
They should have kept the V8 and have the V6 optional.
The lack of front tow hooks is very disappointing. I'm surprised you didn't mention it.
I think they are in bed with Toyota a lil bit, so they need to watch what they say.
@@Boobtube. TO be faaaaiiiirrrrr, they have bitched about the lack of tow hooks in almost every other video they've posted aboot this truck.
@@Ken_Koonz To be fair, bitching about them or not, they are still a tad biased in favor of Toyota.
TFL is extremely Toyota biased. Toyota is either a huge sponsor or they have some dirt on Roman. I've been calling them out on it in most of their Toyota videos. They can't even deny it at this point. I no longer take their reviews seriously on any vehicle even though they seem at least more honest if it's not a Toyota. It was only a matter of time before they went from a small UA-cam channel to corporate sell outs.
@@danthechevymanc6b475 They can't win can they. They get accused of biased or being under the payroll for multiple different companies, just because they might have a opinion that others don't agree with, so that must mean they can't be right. It's THIER opinions that they are sharing, sure they might not be right all the time, but it is their opinion or point of view, I enjoy watching their videos, listen to what they have to say, I am just a normal guy, I think they know more about cars and trucks than me.
Sorry, but the list of dislikes for this update is quite long for me. Several on the list are deal breakers. If the old model had a different engine option for better mpg and some new tech options, it would be ideal. This thing is an abomination and very expensive for what you get.
@Sleepybear723 A lot of people agree with me Sleepy
Haha the only innovation on the whole damn truck is a redundant side button to open the tailgate. Neat Toyota, real neat. I think this truck is an embarrassment when you stack it up against the competition. Always 15 years behind. Maybe in 2032 they’ll release a truck with a built in step to get in the bed…..
If you could buy a 4X4 Camary I'd imagine it would be set up just like this, huge Camary grill, street 20 inch tires, no tow hooks, integrated bumpers, but the Camary would probably have auto 4X4 and it would most certainly get better fuel economy. Huge fail for Toyota. It's a pass for my money.
The Camry debuted in 1983. You’ve had 38 years to learn how to spell it.
@@grisa12345 Not that I care but the correct camary spelling
Is T U N D R A.
Toileta TuRD?
@@grisa12345 🤣
They have went nowhere on mpg through the years. My dad's old 78 GMC Jimmy ( today's yukon) had a 350 v8,4 speed manual and got 16 mpg. And it was only $8,000. My 01 GMC Sierra z71 ext cab gets 18mpg and was $32000 new. With all the technology and $$$ in a new truck it it a disappointment.
The emphasis with trucks is the power/performance for hauling and towing rather than fuel economy.
@@palebeachbum
I agree they have came a long way on performance and towing capacity. But with all the technology and advancements on everything else,mpg has went no where. And if mpg doesn't matter,why do they always mention it? I just don't think mpgs in the lower 20s in a v8 running on all cylinders all the time is too much to ask considering where they were at 40 years ago.
Weight is weight. The energy need To move said weight never changes. People always think that smaller engines will magical do the same work and use less energy to move the same weight.
I have owned several trucks of that vintage, I've only had 1 (1981 2wd c10) that managed the mpg's your Jimmy did. It only did that on long 55-60mph highway trips. Most of mine, especially the 4wd's, hang around the very low teens for mpg's.
By comparison, most 4cyl engines today produce more hp/tq than the v8's of that era. Properly configured, many current "1/2 tons" have nearly the same towing capacity as the c/k30 (1 ton) of the 70's and 80's. A closer category equal for 1/2 tons of the 70's & 80's would probably be the current midsize trucks (colorado, canyon, ranger).
@@JetSkiSuper7
Stock size tires,lock out hubs and a 4 speed manual tranny. Yes,16mpg. A 350 auto tranny without lockout hubs would be substantially less.
Thanks Guys for your honest opinions. Monday of this week I
ordered a 22 sr5, trd off-road w/the off-road premium pkg. it includes, heated seats and steering wheel,jbl sound, 120 volt outlets ,14” display w/ mtm , bed step and running boards for 55k, before state taxes. They are giving me 21k for my 2013 sr5 trd off-road. 4.6L w/ 74k miles. They called me and set an appointment for a test drive even though the truck was sold. No market adjustment. They said my truck should be ready by February-beginning of March. Thanks again guys for everything you do, Lauren from Ma.
If your 2013 is 4wd, you are taking a bath, to the tune of about $4k-$6k. V8 Tundras from 2007-2021 with less than the 100k miles are a hot commodity right now. I just saw a 2013 SR5 4wd Crewmax with the 5.7L V8 and 53k miles listed for $34,000.
Better double check your trade in value, that seems low
Agree 100% that for nearly 60 grand or is severely lacking in features. I wanted to trade my 17 rebel for one but I think it still may have better features with the exception of Android auto or car play. Gas mileage is about the same too
your Rebel also looks better
agree
17 rebels look like 💩💩💩
Keep the Rebel
@@dhdh8314 ya I plan to. It's been a great truck for me and is more economical to just upgrade things I want as I go compared to buying another crazy overpriced truck.
There's no chance in Hell this V6 will do 1 million miles routinely.
Do you need it to?
What is a chance/probability the truck will get involved in an accident before it hit 1mil miles?...very high
Of course Toyota remained number 1 for reliability for many years and big reason for their loyal fan base. Why can’t Ford and GM make more reliable trucks we wonder?
Because they get flogged to within an inch of their life with limited maintenance...
A couple of huge gafs by Toyota will keep me from buying the new Tundra (and I've owned 2 of the previous gen).
No bed entry assist. Bumper has no steps, tail gate has nothing either. (big deal when you load stuff in your bed on a regular basis)
No front tow hooks. No 4WD Auto. Terrible MPG. Waaaaaaay too expensive.
SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE TO REMOTE START!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amen and ya summed it up well…👏👏
No issue with me about 4WD auto because I dont do 4WD anyway, 4x2 works for my usage. And maybe I am just old fashioned but can someone explain what the big fascination is with remote start?? Never had it before and to me its just another toy. I dont live in a climate that requires me to slosh thru snow to get to my truck . And for the record, about 3 weeks ago we purchased a 2022 Tundra SR5 DC 4x2 in Magnetic Gray Metallic. Only options were the SR5 Convenience Pkg(BSM, Front & Rear parking assist, Lane departure), Adventure Tire/Wheel combo(20 inch Faulken A/T tires on black 20 inch TRD wheels), integrated brake controller, & black running boards because its tall and we arent...$47K with T&L out the door. Bought to tow my 22ft travel trailer, am happy with its so far....
@@just_another_guy_with_opinions Its fine that the Tundra works for your use case but thats clearly not the case for many including me. As for remote start requiring a subscription service its pretty damn shady because you are already paying extra for them to add that to the truck (whether you use it or not) and NO OTHER MANUFACTURERS charge a subscription fee. 20 inch wheels are not ideal for towing or off roading so (most people) think its a negative to pay extra for them when an 18 inch wheel will do the job better and cheaper. My 2021 Trail Boss only cost me $38k OTD (well $40k after I added custom leather seats and a bed liner) and has useful bed entry features, good 18' proper A/T Goodyear tires, and a 2 inch lift to help with offroad ground clearance. Also I dont pay a subscription for my remote start and have 4WD Auto which has already been extremely useful in snow and rain.
Plus one on the struggle to climb up the rear to load stuff. Pain in the a$$ every day for me.
Whatever you filmed this video on looks amazing. Super high quality.
HUGE miss with no 4Auto. Decreased usability without it. It is an essential feature in my F150 living in the midwest. Com'on Toyota! I am rooting for Toyota and have owned several but Toyota is dropping the ball
You want an AWD truck?
@@FuJiNF 4A is not technically awd. 4A allows the wheels to spin at different rates thus preventing binding as with 4Hi. My F150 has both 4A and 4Hi/low. That is the most effective mix. Easy to use both on road in inclement weather as well as off road or in deep snow
@@---rg1gb it functions just like what's found on many AWD systems. It's has a transfer clutch in the transfer case. The solenoid runs a duty cycle amount to allow some slip to reduce binding when turning. It'll run more duty cycle to allow more clutch engagement for that 50:50 lockup.
It is very likely the same Borg Warner transfer case that's found on other 4WD auto trucks. Borg Warner makes 2 versions, 4WD-auto with transfer clutch, and traditional locking hub slider dog engagement.
4 Auto is so so so nice. Had 4x4 all my life. Need 4 auto man. At least in my snowy, icy cold climate.
@@ramrider1453 i just engage 4WD and go. It's more stable because it makes the vehicle track straight. No need to wait for any tires to lose traction for the transfer clutch to engage.
I've driven Subarus at the start of drivers license. I wished their AWD was better in ways i can use. A little modification and diff swap to aftermarket LSDs makes a difference. I've had my fair share of 4WD/AWD experience so i can educate people about their AWD systems and how manufactures use gimmicks for marketing.
This truck is an epic failure. The best MPG I've seen or heard about for this 2022 Tundra in 4WD configuration is 18.5 MPG on the highway. I know many that are getting 16-17 MPG with the 2021 Tundra 4WD with a V8 on the highway. No way in hell I would take the questionable reliability of twin turbos over a tried and true V8 Tundra for what equates to about 1-2 real world MPG gain.
Not exactly apples to apples but my 2020 Ram 1500 Classic extended cab with 2wd can do 25 mpg highway with the 5.7 V8 Hemi. In town I can manage 18 mpg, go figure.
Test drove the new tundra... I have time with the old v8.... you're gonning to hate this but that twin turbo v6 is way more alive than the old v8.... 2 miles per Gallon more and bigger balls, I'm sold!
I hear they made it longer as well where it won’t fit in a standard garage anymore
I have zero fear about reliability with this TT engine - Lexus has been running a version of this engine in the LS with zero issues. But the fuel mileage improvements we expected when trading the V8 just isn’t there at all. So what was the point? Maybe the hybrid will do better. As for features, it really seems that Toyota missed the point on so many of the features. Really feels like an evolution of their existing 11 year old truck feature wise. No auto 4WD? Living in the snow belt that is a must for me for highway driving. I guess I will keep driving my Land Cruiser as long as I can.
I average 16.4 with my 5.7..couple the 5.7 with the 10 speed transmission and it will get just as good gas mileage as this highly complex twin turbo..and why has Toyota has to stage towing dementrations if the v6 is so much better then the 5.7..I watched a video with the 22 hooked to a gutted out airstream and the 5.7 was pulling an 8500 lb boat anchor of a camper..Toyota as stated that the average person only tows 3000lbs and this is what this truck is built for..I feel bad for the people that buy one expecting it to do what the 5.7 as done..the Tundra went from a beast of a truck to a barbie truck..
As a family hauler, the lack of 4auto is a major consideration that might lead to me pass for another brand.
I find it funny that people noted the chrome accent on the grill, looks like Howard's mustache from Truck King, lol.
TFL Guys , Sorry I have to disagree with you on this one, the old Toyota Trundra pick up truck with the 5.7L V8 engine i feel was just so much stronger of a truck then this new one, and especially because the older one you could get it with a V8 engine which means alot !!!
I test drove the Tundra last night. I can do without the 20" wheels, but the ride is incredibly comfortable and quiet. As far as the engine goes, I don't think it's bomb-proof like the V8 was, but that twin turbo V6 has got a sh!t ton of power. The 10 speed transmission is silky smooth too. Whatever we get will be my wife's so she's the one making the call here.
$60K for an SR5 is crazy
Giant Hump in the back seat is crazy
20” wheels for a TRD off road rim crazy
No tow hooks crazy
Possibly class worst navigation
But for some people, all those misses still may be trumped by Toyota reliability.
If Toyota fixed those crazy things for me I could switch from my F150.
This must be some Good Cop, Bad Cop role Playing on the 2022 Toyota Tundra! Its Pay's to be Toyota Mouth Piece.. Company Man Roma will never say anything Bad about an Automaker until something Breaks or if TFL missing OUT ON A PERK! Independent Car Reviews My ASS!
I'd like to see it tested in very cold climate with heavy snow conditions
I'll keep my 2020 sx crewmax with the 5.7 V8!!
I purchased a 2021 SX double cab in August after reading about this one and seeing the pictures. The engine might be good but I KNOW the 5.7L is good. Too many toys and things to potentially go wrong on this one.
Toyota needs to offer an optional heritage grill asap like you can get on the last gen
I take for granted my corner bumper steps on my Silverado. They are a back saver when jumping into the bed. Crazy how no other truck has that feature. Ive had my truck for 7 years now and I don't know what I'd do without them. 2014 Silverado 5.3, 2wd, 166,000 miles. Replaced a couple major AC components but other than that I probably haven't spent more than $1,000 in repairs on it. In 7 years and 166,000 miles that not bad.
I think that maybe Chevy has a patent on the bumper step. Otherwise Toyota would have copied that also
They should’ve put the the 5.7L in this chassis and changed the transmission to a 10 speed
Or at least give the 5.7 as an option
With a heavy half tow/payload package!
Regarding the seat bottom I get it... but shorter folks that are 5' 2" or so, it can be a huge issue causing massive knee pains in just a short period of time. Also it can cause the leg to not be able to point down quite as much which makes it hard to reach pedals and may cause other issues. Seat bottom length either needs to be setup for average folks or be adjustable because it will never fit us all perfectly.
I gotta say, I've been driving in the northern midwest my entire life, snow/ice hills all that, and even i prefer a 4wd auto setting, its just nice, and thats a huge disappointment for me with the new tundra.
Just leave it in 4h, I personally prefer controlling if I’m in 4hi or 2wd. Don’t want a computer to kick in the 4wd after I’m already sliding around. Also in parking situation with snow. Nope I wish a manual 4wd shifter like in the 4Runner off-road and TRD pro models.
I agree.
@@zerokool316 I 've had both. Too much binding on 4Hi. 4auto allows for a wider range of use with no binding
Agreed. I live in Alaska with extreme weather swings in winter, spring and fall. It sucks to always have to worry about binding because you can be on dry pavement, then to icy snowy roads several times throughout the day. I’ve never driven a 4-auto vehicle, but it sounds convenient in theory. Probably will be a key feature I look for in my next truck.
The reality of any 4wd auto/AWD setting is that the transfer case requires an additional clutch mechanism and is thereby significantly less durable, not dissimilar to an actual AWD setup. Anything with a clutch can overheat, and introduces media into the t case fluid. If used often, which most people just set it and forget it, it should realistically be maintained as often as the differentials, which is ~ 30k miles. No one will remember to do that unfortunately.
The Tundra IMHO has a face only a mother would love BUT it would be fun to see a video of the Micas going into town (with a few trucks including the Tundra but not the TRX) and asking maybe 10 non-truck people to score the trucks only on exterior appearance. Just anecdotal evidence, would they all score the Tundra at the bottom or does it look much better in person....
Agreed. The refresh styling of the last gen Toyota vehicles I found very ascetically appealing (Tacoma, Tundra, Landcruiser, ect.). This new Tundra is just ugly inside and out. Same with the new Landcruiser.
Fuel Economy: "Using it as a work truck, so don't take that as what it is". 🤔 Some people use it for that.
Which proves that Toyota made a glorified grocery getter. Interesting fact: The 2022 Tundra Trd Pro will have almost 5 degrees less approach angle than the 2021 Tundra Trd Pro.
@@user-pt6io2cq9n well, I guess most trucks are getting groceries. 😂🤣😭
If you use it as a work truck then you can’t expect high numbers
@@jakeodell1224 I know that, sarcasm doesn't pick up well through text.
@@Wezi427 oh😂 sorry I’m a bit slow
When the only innovation they can point to is a basic button that opens the bed says everything you need to know. This truck is barely on the lots and it's already out of date and compares to 2020 model trucks...Toyota should be embarrassed and you'd have to be foolish to buy one of these
TFL generally emphasizes the high price of the Tundra by including taxes which does not seem to be true with other vehicles on the channel. Be consistent. It’s easy to make any vehicle seem more or less expensive by quoting sticker vs price plus taxes and fees.
I don't care what price they give trucks are through the roof either way 1-3k doesn't make a difference
They started off with the msrp price before taxes. It’s a good thing they’re adding the real cost as well now. They don’t do that it for all the vehicles, but they don’t purchase every vehicle themselves.
Agreed but taxes do vary a bit by state. My point is that the TRX is referred to as a $77k truck while the Tundra is referred to as a $64k truck. One is sticker and one is plus taxes. Apples to apples would be $56k and $77k or $64k and something like $85k. Not a huge difference, but potentially misleading.
I’d be curious wha the 5.7 would do if mated with the 10 speed transmission
Probably the same or better than this abomination. If this is the best Toyota can do after 8 years of nothing, they might as well start waving the white flag to the Big 3, make like Nissan and start the process of discontinuing their full size trucks.
There's a whole bunch of other things they did to supposedly improve MPG on the new Tundra that they could've also done for the 5.7L.
The problem the 5.7 has is a relatively low compression ratio. It's only 10.2 where the Chevy 5.3 is 11 and the Ford 5.0 is 12. There are many inherent benefits to a lower compression ratio, but good mpg isn't one of them.
My 2018 limited crewmax averages 16.2 so im guessing it would do better than this f150 wannabe.
Test drive the twin Turbo V6 and you will see why toyota doesnt bother.
I feel the New Tundra is overpriced for what you get. Limited should come default with a full digital dash. Seats are to short, as you talked about. I feel that once all the glitz and glamour over this NEW Tundra dies off, people will remove their rose colored glasses and see the Tundra for what it really is. Which really, is not all that. TFL, even Toyota laughed at you all the way to the bank.... they charged you $1695.00 for delivery charges, but you picked it up right next to where it was made, on your own dime. And paid all that gas $$ to drive it back, along with hotel costs. Total profit for Toyota.
They charge the same delivery fee for every vehicle they make regardless of where it’s made. So does every other car manufacturer.
@@chrishaddad5362 u missed the point. i know its the same price everywhere.. it is a avg. number of what it costs to ship trucks out. What I meant was TFL paid 1695.00 and basically, Toyota spent zero of that amount to get them their truck. Total profit for Toyota. Toyota did not have to ship it to Colorado.
Geez. I still remember the days when a top trim, fully loaded full-size truck cost about the same as a top trim, fully loaded 2022 Ford Maverick.
The best part of the old Tundra was the motor, the exhaust sound, and reliability. The new Tundra has none of that.
The gas mileage on the old is dogshit though
Never shoot in shutter priority mode in video. It will help with flicker issues. Always do the cinema standard twice your frame rate. 30 fps should be 1/60 24fps 1/48. This will get rid of flicker. You always change your aputure for "live" videos. Thanks for all the coverage boys!
This trim is essentially an XLT 302a F150 or LT Silverado with all the option packages. I love that both of you mentioned the lack of auto 4wd. GM includes it basically as standard, Ford on Lariat and above, RAM on Laramie and above. It's inexcusable that you can't get it on a Tundra at any price, any trim. For winter weather, you really don't want to just have just 4H/2H
Because it has the leather standard I think of it more as the entry-level Lariat
I have an F-150 Lariat and agree that the lack of 4 auto would make me less likely to consider the Tundra. It's an awesome feature.
GM has offered Auto 4wd since 1999....Toyota is 23 years late to the party..
No power plug in the bed. No storage compartments in the composite bed. ?
🤷🏻♂️
I will keep my 2018 Tacoma Limited.
It has two compartments in the bed for dirt bike tie down storage etc. and a power plug.
Bought it brand new for 38,500 at Riverview Toyota in AZ
Unacceptable a new Tundra doesn’t have a power source in the bed.
And no storage compartments
It would be nice if Toyota would have told you what the subscription based services covered. It's no where in the owners manual or in the display. I'm disappointed in the mpg. I know yours was used in towing so it's low because of that but other reviews have showed the bad mpgs too.
Here in Canada the fone app is good for ONE year. Now I pay every month to continue
@@mikefoehr235 My phone app on my F150 is free for 5 years but the key remote start is free forever. Toyota controls the key remote start also.
@@82mattlopez Remote start with key is free. Only the fone app is a monthly fee.
@@mikefoehr235 not sure if we will be affected in Canada but in USA the remote start from key fob is only 2 years with free subscription then only available with subscription, apparently it will be like this for all 2018 and newer starting in 2022.
@@mikefoehr235 .. not true, the 2022 remote start on the FOB is controlled by Toyota and will shut off once the subscription ends unless you pay the monthly. This has been confirmed by an engineer who said that Toyota can and will disable features if you don't subscribe.
I’m being waiting for this truck, and I’m ready to buy it. I think I’m going to wait a little longer see if Toyota figure out how to bring back the town hook !
Town hooks are a must have
Every truck should have town hooks
As usual Toyota did the least possible to their truck lineup leaving many loyal fans and truck enthusiasts disappointed. And that screen, it looks like an afer thought. THE 4X4 switch placement also looks like an afterthought.
Thank you for this honest review. I waited for the Tundra refresh so long and they did not even come close to my expectations. I went with the new Chevy Trail Boss LT.
Awesome objective review. Thanks…..the value question? How long with the tundra last and feel tight compared to ALL the other brands? That’s where you’ll see value.
These are not disposable products. Tundra and all Toyota products are built to last and behave beautifully even with 10-15yrs of use.
We all have stories, but I know so many truck owners that have bought and replaced multiple trucks while the Toyota truck owners I know continue to drive the same unit.
2008 tundra 5.7 250,000miles……1 truck
1 owner: 4 rams
1 owner: 3 f150’s
1 owner: 5 chev/gmc’s
All things being equal, maintenance, care and upkeep, there no comparison.
Time will only tell if this Toyota truck will last as long.
@@nm-qt2hb Why wouldn't it? The powerplant is the same used by Land Cruiser and Lexus. I doubt those brands prefer disposable engines.
That's what Toyota owners come to expect from their Toyotas, and appreciate that Toyota continues to build trucks in US. Most Toyota buyers like to buy and keep, they don't have the luxury of a perpetual car payment or repairs...Disposable $65K trucks are a hard pill to swallow for some.
@@nm-qt2hb yep, you’re 100% right….but if I was betting, I wouldn’t bet against a Toyota. They’ve been pretty consistent with build quality and longevity. We are electrical contractors, we have owned every brand of pick up and cargo van…..we switched in 2008 to Toyota. We are never going back. 5 service trucks, multiple drivers, completely reliable. Let’s hope this new unit is the same.
@@channelnamehere4065 ya, no one assumes they’re buying something that’s going to continually have faults and issues. Most drive well when new…..however that’s not the test is it, how “fast” is it, etc….how does it behave when being worked EVERYDAY, does the truck make you want to maintain it…..is there a return on investment with your maintenance? With some, it doesn’t matter what you do, reg maintenance etc, there are continuous issues. Frustrating.
I don’t know what people are talking about. I have had this 1794 version and it’s absolutely the best truck I have ever had. The power is unreal. The same engine is in the Toyota Land Cruiser. Land cruisers are built the last at least 21 years for a good reason. I think there is a good chance that this engine will outlast everything out there. Maintain it well and change the oil every 5000 miles. I have researched it very in detail before I bought it. The engine was tested for 5 million miles and it’s dead without any issues. They pass these engines extensively before they put it into their cars especially the Land Cruiser. Not only that but the drivetrain is also that of the Land Cruiser and all the off-road capabilities that off the Land Cruiser. Overall this truck is 10 times better than the previous model. Forget the V-8 doesn’t make any difference you will see that this will outlast it. Inside it’s unbelievably comfortable and the ride is unreal. The design inside is beautiful. And the higher end model there is no issues whatsoever with any of the interior or exterior. No I have already 10,000 miles on the truck and it has not skipped a beat. The transmission is unbelievable. Off-road it’s on Metro boat. A small lift and better tires and you have a unstoppable truck.
Seats are so important in a vehicle because you have to endure them every time you’re in the vehicle.
Every time I hear someone say "we did everything we could with it" or "we tested its limits", I always think back to whistlin' diesel and that poor Toyota Hilux. Then a shake my head 😅
If it's gonna be a family hauler I'm fine with the engine/powertrain choice, but since I tow and haul alot I still haven't found a TT-V6 that lasts like a V8. Should have made it possible to get the new trans and the V8 for those who option it. I am fairly certain the MPG would have been good. Great vidjéo as usual boys🤙
Many ecoboost f150s with well over 200k miles, but you gotta maintain the crap out of the turbo engines or they become grenades.
@@freedomisntfree_44 my point exactly, you can dog the maintenance when out in the field with an LS or the old IForce. I traded my '17 Eco-or-Boost at 80,000 because I was paying a fortune more than I was before. I "downdraded" to a nice old man owned 2008 Tundra and have been better off in almost every way...except for alternator replacement😪, I would likely pay someone else to do it in the future bahahaha
@@coryernewein I’d go with the coyote 5.0 in the ford personally
@@freedomisntfree_44 that was my goal but couldn't find one in the appropriate time frame. I like the 5.0, seems like a good engine from the couple times I've got to use one and likely a bit easier to wrench on than the "engineers dream" that is Toyota. It's on my short list for when (or if) prices level out again for sure!
@@coryernewein man I hope prices do get better!
New Tundra is nice but one big minus
WHY THERE ARE NO FRONT TOW HOOKS!?i drive 2017 F150 V8 best truck ever…
The Rivian and Maverick have really spoiled me for what I expect out of a truck interior now. For 60K this is looking real pedestrian.
I can't see myself driving a V6 twin-turbo engine on a truck and much less buying a V8 with the markups you have right now I have to resort to buying a 07 Nissan Titan and I love it
I'm trying to like the looks but damn still ugly in all different views, but more so the front end and really don't like the long over hang in front as well
The 3.5L ford eco boost had a lot of issues in the beginning. I had one, had issues all the time and ended up trading it in. The power was awesome though. I think/hope the Toyota has more reliability. Time will tell.
Same here on my 2011 3.5 EB. Big improvement on my 2022 over the 2011.
3.5 eb still has those issues
Toyota has written “Return profit to shareholders “ all over this Gen3 Tundra.
The previous generation is more appealing to me. I don't care if it's long in the tooth. The new face is atrociously ugly (Toyota's obsession with MORE GRILL). I dislike that you're forced to buy a 4-door. I want a regular cab. I'd also prefer the proven V8 over this twin-turbo V6. I'd also prefer a more basic work truck for a lower price. I don't need the power rear window and all that fluff.
Sleepybear723 I like Toyota trucks, but to be honest for the same price as the Tundra in this video, he could get a higher trim F-150, better value tbh.
This truck continues to disappoint me and I was super excited for it.
Im now looking at a RAM Rebel of F150 Tremor instead. Kinda interested in the upcoming new Tacoma, but it'll likely have the same issues as this new tundra - over expensive and lacking features.
You literally just said what I’ve been saying all along before anyones even driven it. Thr tundra was already outclassed before and after anyones even driven it 🤦♂️
Looks are always polarizing. And as someone who HATED the new Chevy HD body style and now has grown to LOVE it. Just give it some time and I’m sure everyone will love it
A lot of hype for nothing
I can just hear Toyota engineers design process. The last truck was known to have horrible fuel mileage of 14-15. How can we improve fuel economy? More lightweight plastic and less iron should be the trick. That’s it , we need a huge plastic grill, no bumper, and no tow hooks! After they built the truck fuel economy barely improved. Hmmn, we used plastic everywhere we could, did we account for that thing that’s important for wind, what’s it called, arrow dynamics? Hmmn, maybe we should have sharpened the headlights edges more…
A quick thought on price... . yes they absolutly missed a few standard features for this price range... but you also didnt order your truck with some options that are not too exp either. Lets compare to GM.. a basic trail boss is 56K... and an AT4 starts at 60k... 68k with the needed options.. in my opinion.. so price.. not sure everyone has realisticly priced a modern truck these days that isnt a work truck.
Toyota just launched a city truck ! I own a 2019 5.7 SR5 TRD offroad which was a great replacement for a ford F150 7700, AKA a big truck in a 1/2 ton body, which is why it has been a great work truck and popular with tradesmen. Not sold on this truck at all, and will probably look at other options when our lease ends in May or just keep my current truck. Toyota just lost a unique market gap between 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks that they had done a great job of filling.
I had held off buying a new truck waiting for this because I have had so many issues with my Ford and gm truck, but man is this thing disappointing. Barely catching up to the competition, still a dated interior and then they charge way too much for what you get.
What issues you have with your Ford?
@@jeffweston9743 electronics problems first. Shut down while driving, had to have it towed, the dealer couldn't get it to start for almost a month had to have a high level engineer come out. After that I had transmission problems and finally went through the lemon law process. It was in the shop for almost 64 days consecutively in the first year I owned it.
That’s too bad, my ‘18 f150 hasn’t seen the service dept except for oil changes
Roman is wrong for once. The subscription service proposal is a huge deal! I think remote start is a ridiculous feature and would never use it even if my vehicle was equipped with it. But if I was looking to buy a new vehicle and my car salesman told me that if I wanted the remote start to work I would have to get a subscription for $80/year, I would immediately reject purchase of the vehicle on principle. If we had been paying $80/year for unnecessary remote start on our Toyotas, then so far our 94 Land Cruiser would have cost us $2160 and our 97 T100 would have cost us $1920. The whole principle that I have to get yearly permission from the manufacturer to use parts of MY vehicle is obscene and a deal killer!
Sounds like a big miss on value v. Features. Disappointing.
I think Tundra's interior is better than F150s, except for certain trims, but I do not think that it is better than the 2022 GMC and RAM's interior, which is kind of sad considering it is the newest truck, well sort of. My wife likes the infotainment system, and I like the composite bed and the various choices for the suspension, which will give you the kind of ride you like. And here you go - that is all we like about the 2022 model.
The fuel economy appears to be also disappointing, especially if you are towing. But again, these trucks are new and I expect the economy to improve a bit when you put couple thousand miles. My wife has a heavy foot, so I am not betting on that if we had the truck. I also agree with the front visibility, which is also a big issue for us since we have small kids and we live in a neighborhood full of children that play around.
Well, the exterior is one of the most disappointing aspects of the truck along with the pricing. If things ever get normal, but it will (be positive), supply issues will be resolved and there will be no pandemic, I wonder how Toyota will compete with the Big 3, which are not shy to offer 15k to 20k discounts from MSRP. The biggest discount I was offered on a Tundra, for example, couple years ago was about 7k, but the dealership had insane dealer fees, which in reality made the discount about 5k. Yeah, Toyota - I think you guys shot yourselves in the foot with the pricing.
The last thing I want to say is that I do not know if these new trucks will be reliable as the current gen is. So if it is not - how will it compete with the others, which offer more options, better fuel economy, in some cases a better ride, and most importantly to me - they look better.