This style of Ike gauntlet showing the gauges and rpm etc in real time is far superior to the ike product you have been providing the past few years. This is more in line with your original Ike videos from years ago. Excellent work and thankyou
You should do a video on how You set the gain on a trailer that you never towed in the past. So many People just guess and go from seat of the pants feel of aggressiveness. Better to take the minute to do it right.
No surprise you cannot really stop much with a CVT transmission honestly it is a chain and 2 moving wheels. How is that supposed to stop 16 tonnes from rolling down a hill. But the CVT transmission is more efficient for gas, torque and acceleration.
I agree, they are 100 times more common than people towing other pickups. Not those horse trailers they use either, just a standard 24 or so foot 8' wide 10' tall box on wheels with an a/c or two sitting up on the roof.
I have no clue why they don’t use horse trailer or travel trailer These bs flat decks that don’t have any wind drag are shit testing because a truck towing highwalled trailer is true testament to comfort and ride quality
Unless they have access to the same trailer all things would not be equal. Trailer length, weight, flat nose, v nose, aerodynamic cap. Then if their truck didn't outperform the viewer would want it retested. Tho not perfect, I think the car hauler with the same vehicle on it is close enough. Just like when they fuel mileage test, they may have a head wind, tail wind, cross wind or no wind. Unless they could get all vehicles tested in a convoy pulling identical trailers results will vary. The logistics of it would be crazy.
@@jeffmockus5400 it’s not crazy but a trailer with sides and roof use water totes like before Or buy a camper and each person cleans it out after use but that trailer is used for all stuff and do dual Ike’s or something they make money off viewers and then beg for content so more towing
Kase is such a refreshing addition to the team. I know he’s been behind the camera for a while now but he’s so laid back and extremely knowledgeable, he’s a pleasure to have in front of the camera. Andre and Kase make a great duo.
Team TFL, As a long time subscriber from north of the border, I want to thank you for the shout out to our All-Canadian Truck King channel. I will also commend you for the "Paid Promotion" icon in the corner which so many UA-cam channels 'forget' to include . In regard to engine braking, I suspect that is another case where there is simply no replacement for displacement.
We really enjoy the Truck King channel here in the United States as well. As far as break application, it was the same displacement engine. The only difference wasTow haul plus versus “tow haul”.
I don’t get Toyota. My 2015 F150 xl with a 3” instrument cluster screen shows me my trans temp. Why can’t this 2022 high tech tundra provide the driver with this??
Not having a trans temp guage is a huge miss for a modern truck with weights they are rated to tow. I want to be able to monitor it BEFORE it gets too hot instead of being told it is too hot.
Toyota says the upper limit is 300F. I think the idea is that you'll never be able to overheat it with loads under the 12k limit so you don't need the gauge. But I agree that they have a ton of real estate on the screens. There's no reason not to show trans temps so we can feel confident on the hills.
@@repairvehicle Toyota says 302*F is the temp where you're getting too hot for the fluid and need to back off and let it cool down. Flash point for the oil is higher than that. My guess is that damage from parts getting too hot is more concern than the oils.
Or come tow out where I live in the summer - it’s only a climb up 3500ft buts over a longer duration in temperatures in excess of 110 degrees. I forgot to mention there’s a fairly large lake (reservoir) at the bottom that offers boating and other water sports so it’s a likely application to tow in this area.
@@Expressionistix Absolutely. Toyota does incredoble things every 15 years or so. I 100% said this would be a truck that "Kept up" and never innovated....Toyota amd Lexus don't know how to anymore
When they tested the Ecodiesel it was in the cold weather. I guarantee in the summer it would have 'derated' due to temps getting too high. Had one. Could tow a camper near 70mph without temps going up on the flat nonetheless. It did pull well however. Vastly under sized radiator for it.
Question since every vehicle seems to be hitting the 8 Minute mark could you guys do a 50mph to 60mph test whe you do your super ike to benchmark passing performance? Just a thought
Would have been interesting to run it back down the mountain in just tow haul mode to see if it went back to 6 applications. That way you could tell if it was the truck or an environmental difference.
Great video guys, love this style of video. Love the detailed techy conversation only Kase and Andre can have. Great job guys. Andre you should put Kase in more of these.
In towing, this truck is impressive. I am surprised that it added 33% more brake actions downhill than the previous test. But having a normal conversation towing 8100 pounds up a mountain and the RPM's staying between 2500-3300 is pretty amazing. You are tempting me to get rid of my 21 Tacoma and get this.
I'm already planning on getting rid of my 21 Tacoma. The ability and efficiency of the Tundra is very attractive. I'm planning on getting the Tundra Hybrid
@@joreldavis4069 From what little I've heard, will the hybrid be worth the extra cost? I've heard some say it will get 20mpg and the highest I heard was 23mpg. So I wonder about that. I also wonder about the cost. I'm thinking it will start around 58K-60K and go up from there. What are your thoughts on that?
I’ve thought about it as well. Also have a 21 tacoma. I like the truck but it’s a little tight, although I was getting 39mpg in Colorado on one portion of my drive (stop to stop). I was amazed but I always get better mileage in Colorado than I do in my flat state. A tundra would be great but man they are just so darn expensive!
You actually had one more brake application that you didn’t count going down when you were too busy talking the speedo went to 61 MPH! 😂 I’m so not impressed. 😲
9 brake applications from what I saw. U didn't do the last brake when it got to 61. Don't know why u didn't show a digital speedometer when u were climbing to. But it was OK I guess
I was thinking you guys tried using cruise control on some of your Ike tests for the downhill portion. I can't remember which specific videos it took place in but I was wondering if there's a reason you haven't been doing that lately? If I recall correctly, it made a difference in the grade-shifting and I plan to try that method when towing with my new Tundra. Thanks TFL!
Respectfully, as I’m not a grammar/spelling cop, but it’s spelled Kase. I learned the spelling from someone else myself. I am not trying to be rude at all, just trying to respect Kase. You are definitely right about Kase. He is learning very fast and getting much more relaxed in front of the camera. Stay safe out there, Eh!!
I 100% agree 231* on a 40* day would definitely equal close to 300* on a 100* day. Don't know the full facts on this Toyota engine but I bet the turbos would overheat and send the engine into limp mode during the summer as well just like the Ford ecoboost does
It's not an air to oil tranny cooler though, it's an antifreeze to oil cooler (meaning, it's plumed into the radiator cooling system). Those types don't rise as much and pretty much track your coolant temp which is thermostatically controlled, so it won't change much, summer or winter provided toyota adequately sized the oil cooler and radiator.
@@MadManMachines there was a 40* ish delta on coolant to trans temps once things started really rolling. Add in less cooling from air blowing on the trans, hotter coolant temps, heat soak, etc. I’d be concerned.
This really has my attention. Looks like I'll be trading my 16 Titan XD Cummins for this, just not anytime soon. But once it gets up there in mileage ill definitely give this tundra a look. If Toyota would bring their 3.3 turbo diesel and put it in this I'd definitely snatch one up sooner than later.
Keep your XD Cummins and delete and tune it. That truck and engine is so capable, and the Aisin 6 speed is absolutely amazing. That engine is capable of larger engine power numbers. Ours is around 420 HP and 740 torque with 164k miles without any issues.
They won’t be able to tow 11,000 lbs with such a small payload. 1100 lb on the tongue and a driver is all it can handle. The rest of the guys will have to follow the rig in a Camry
So, takeaway for me is regular tow/haul downhill, tow+ uphill. I guess the only remaining question for me is longevity vs the old V8. Apologies if these observations have already been made.
I may have misunderstood them. I was under the impression that their first Ike Gauntlet video/test was regular tow/haul then after discovering the “tow+” they performed a new test all over again.
I'd say more like any small trailer under 4k would be fine in tow haul and any trailer heavier than that should be in plus regardless of flat, down or up hill
Remember no replacement for displacement when it comes to longevity. Why semis don't 6.7 cummins but use 12 liter cummins, because you don't longevity with small engine with pushed to the same horse power as big engines
@@WhoThisGuy515 I can agree with that, just pointing out that they should use the same trailer and similar shape load (if not enclosed). I learned real quick just how much more aerodynamics play than the weight. My Dodge dually got 6-7 mpg with a 13’6” tall (but very light) load and 10-11 mpg with short (but VERY heavy) loads.
Thanks guys for all the videos. I have had 3 different tundras. I like my 12 rock warrior crew max best. I have a 17 pro crew max now. I have a 1794 with a 6.5 box ordered. I have 1 big issue with the new tundra and that's the lack of front tow hooks. WTF! I use mine allot to work on the farm or job. Did Mike the head engineer from toyota say they would be an accessory? At least they could have offered them on the off road packages and the pro. Very disappointing. Please express our disappointment to toyota. I will have to turn to the aftermarket I think.
TFL is just slobbering over this Tundra, almost to the point of being totally ridiculous. It just feels like the Tundra doesn't perform as well as TFL/Toyota wants it to so they're just gonna keep doing it until they get the results they want. Enough already. smh
I'm a Toyota guy from way back. I still have a 98 Taco I purchased new. My complaint of Toyota really is about the ones made here in the USA for the past 20 years. They really have fell behind on technology and innovation with the truck line. I've got a 17 F150 platinum 3.5 ecoboost and this truck has virtually everything the new tundra has but 5 years ago. And before the fan boys jump on me, I still have 2 Toyotas and 2 Hondas in my household. The Ford isn't perfect but way ahead of the competition.
That’s never been the debate, the Tundra has such a strong fan base because of its reliability, durability and longevity. That’s why people buy Tundras, not for the tech.
@@smrtguy77777 So if you buy a Toyota it’s necessary for you to sacrifice advancements in technology for reliability? Why can’t Toyota do both? I’ve had both Toyota and Ford products and didn’t have issues with either apart from wishing the Toyota had kept up with the competition.
My family drives fords and Chevys and Dodge , I'm the only one that drives Toyota Tacoma I think it's a preference more than anything , I was all for the new tundra , but I need a V8 and since they don't offer that I'm looking at Ford or Chevy
Absolutely 100% true. Ford TTV6 in a truck 2010 Toyota 2022 HAAA. However..... Toyota does do something right every 15 or 20 years. I have a 2012 ISF and will admit while not obviously built as well as the early to mid 90's Japanese cars.....this thing will absolutely take everything you throw at it. Over engineered and takes a licking and keeps on ticking. Like the LS motors. AND not many people realize the FORD COYOTE motor is a copy cat of the 2URGSE. Won't find that on Google. But in the defense of all manufacturers....nobody wan'ts to build a trouble free vehicle anymore. It's just bad business. Just like the cure for cancer. If you had one it would be bad business
@Helicopter Dad! F series is the leader due to heavy fleet sales. Toyota like Nissan depend on car sales to make the company money. With Toyota trucks are not the priority
That's what boost does for you. The smaller engine DOES limit you for engine braking which is a bummer but you just drive it like Andre is and you'll be safe. I've taken my PowerBoost F150 over Ike, myself and it did just fine.
@@hunterdan2002 I agree 100%... I think it's laughable they have a cluster like that in this mid grade model... if it was the base model that'd be different. The lack of transmission temp is also an issue.
I would like to see what happens if you set the cruise control going down the Ike. My 2021 frieghtliner with automatic transmission will will do everything it can to not go more than 5mph over cruise setting. It works great going downhill on dry roads.
I’m very happy with this result. Very quiet, low rpms, lots of power when needed, never went below the speed limit and was smooth and planted on the test. These are all things I look for in a towing rig. I think they did a great job, giving Toyota owners and other truck buyers a truck that will do what they ask of it on a regular basis.
The fuel economy going uphill I think was the most impressive aspect on this and the previous 22 run. Wonder if Toyota's undersquare engine design played a part, versus the Ford Ecoboost's oversquare design which does seem to be more prevalent in sports cars and things that need to rev higher.
@@88yellowjacket agreed. Before I learned more about it i was a little apprehensive since they also put it in the Cadillac sedans, but looking into it more I think it'll turn out to be a good mill for most 1/2 ton users for sure.
Why dont you guys ever lower gear? I have driven that road in a 3500 ram dually Cummins with a 4 car hauler and two vans up and down the Ike and you dont need brakes nearly as often if you downshift.
Maybe tow plus is more about preserving the engine/transmission when towing heavy. Thus less engine braking on the downhill and better fuel economy (less turbo boost?) when going uphill. Interesting.
This test just proves exactly how un-scientific this testing really is. Good entertainment for sure. Just don't expect it to be used as some form of benchmarking. You can repeat this 10 times on the same vehicle (any vehicle), and it will still produce 10 different results.
Most "scientific" tests that are repeated will produce different results. That's why those results are then added together and divided to give you an approximate average of expected results. Getting different results from the test doesn't necessarily mean the test itself is flawed.
@@channelnamehere4065 All this “tech” is just marketing to fool people like you into thinking you are getting some kind of super machine, capable of everything. Pure marketing.
@@mikek5298 I'm not sure what tech you're referring to, but Toyota buyers usually don't buy them because they have the coolest and latest tech. This Tundra is just in bad need of a new UI/UX so Toyota created an in-house department specifically just for US market UX/UI (they discovered that US buyers like techy flashy screens). IF anything, the video shows just how confident and capable the Tundra tows. Having nice tech is just icing on the cake.
Ok, where's all the toyota fanboys that said it would do better in tow/haul+? I told all of you it would do the same or worst on the down hill. Probably because it was slightly more aggressive on the trailer brake controller slowing it down faster. And trans temps... 230 degrees is pretty warm. So... toyota boys happy now? Got what you wanted or did they do something wrong again...
Transmission temps are harder to gauge these days, same with oil and coolant. Because manufacturers design them to run hotter to be more efficient. So what was ok 20 years ago is exceeded today and higher temps are ok now. This is partly due to the EPA's requirements for efficiency. Fluids are designed to run hotter and cooling systems overall are much better.
@@repairvehicle This isn't entirely accurate. Yes, heat still is the main cause for problems. But parts are designed better, modern synthetic fluids are way better at handling higher temps without breaking down compared to old conventional fluids. I haven't had a car overheat in years. When I grew up, I think all of our cars my family owned over heated at one point or another. I changed the thermostat out on my f250 so the coolant and oil both run around 180 degrees and only gets to about 200 when towing, which before it was easily in the 220-240 range. Hopefully this, combined with the better fluids today, will help it last a long time.
@@GlennPearsonDIY, clutch material and rubber seal still cannot tolerate heat past 220f without becoming hard and brittle. Why transmission fluid cannot last past 40k miles without being burned and wornout? It's because people believe nonsense. I have done fluid analysis and have not seen factory atf being good within factory specifications after 40k miles.
@@repairvehicle with my ecodiesel I did I sent all my fluids in for analysis. After 45k miles, many of which were heavy towing, my transmission fluid still had plenty of life in it according to the test. The clutch and rubber compounds wear out because the fluid can't provide proper lubricant. I'd also love to see your sources for the temps they break down at. As I know many of the materials used are much better at handling heat than they used to be. Which is the entire argument here.
Great videos. A few questions/comments… Did Toyota change the integrated brake controller (IBC) from the previous Gen Tundra? I replaced the IBC with my old Tekonsha in my 2016 TRD DC because it did not function safely. I tow a 9000 lb travel trailer and always downshift manually when going down long descents. I believe this is what most of us do so I don’t think the automatic engine braking is super critical. A pet peeve with my 2016 is the display for remaining distance. It is not calculated based on the current (average) fuel consumption. In other words, the value does not get recalculated when you reset the average fuel consumption. Because of this, unless you tow all the time, you can’t rely on the gauge to estimate how far you can travel based on remaining fuel.
Yep nail on the head with towing in the desert! I tow through the northern hills of AZ in the summer time. Lots of long steep grades, 100°+ temps, 45mph curves, traffic. Will bring many trucks to their knees.
@@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849 F150 with the 3.5 eco boost. Hands down best half ton towing platform. That's what Toyota is trying to compete with it. I actually would recommend a heavy duty truck but if your gonna go half ton. That's the one I'd buy.
1,400 # payload is mediocre in the full size truck segment. Those that tow and add common options to their truck like a bed camper top, realize that payload is king.
Have you guys ever tried using cruise control for towing tests? My 2020 1500 duramax will down shift and hold itself back better going down hill ONLY in cruise control. It’s wired but the truck performs better in cruise. I live near a hill in Az you use once a long time ago. Rye hill by Payson. Might want to play with it and see if you find the same thing as I’ve found
I would almost guarantee that. My 19 Tacoma shifts down aggressively if it goes 2-3 mph over the cruise control setting. RPMs jump to 4500. It’s almost annoying but I understand it’s preventing excessive braking.
I’m interested as well. Most cars/trucks I’ve driven just uncouple the engine/torque converter if you coast down a hill. On cruise they’ll downshift to maintain.
Nathans weight was an advantage in rolling resistance. (Sorry Nathan) These tests are good but they really only show us which design works better in the mountains right. On the flat lands or normal towing with occasional hills these newer trucks work great when compared to the trucks of even a few years ago. My 5.7 tundra while it will not do aswell as these up the mountain. It tows great. I own 4 trailers a heavy duty machine trailer for a small skid steer, a 28 foot travel trailer , a 7x16 enclosed car trailer, and a small utility trailer . I have owned and towed all 4 with 2010 Tundra 2017 Ran 2500 cummins 2018 F150 Ecoboost 2018 F250 Powerstroke 2014 Tundra In my personal experience i perfer ny 2014 tundra to tow all of them. While the diesels were wayyyyyyh more effortless they were large and rode poorly snd i dislikes driving them daily The ecoboost had more low end and 10 speed was nice to find right gear instead of changing gears all the time but the suspension was wonky and truck felt too light when i had my travel trailer hooked to it. Also i always felt like under that load 7600lbs that the engine was under a ton of pressure and it actually blew a piston skirt at 14000 miles The 2014 tundra s tow haul down shifts and grade shifts wel for my are- NH we have mountains but not like out west It can maintain 70 while towing travel tfailer fairy easy downshifts on grades where dieslel just locked and spun turbos But if feels like it will last forever and its turning radius when having to turn with a trailer is by far then best of my fleet i can make a u turn with my 16 foot trailer almost anywhere. And unloaded its fun to drive for a truck Mpg is bad to badish Ram inaveraged 16 F 150 i averaged 15.5 Supersudy 15.5 Tundra 14.6
Hey Kevin Kelly, What are the odds Toyota pressured them to admit that they screwed up, then to redoo the test for a better outcome? Duh! The original TFL started out hungry and would've Never compromised their integrity by such an obvious move. They're no longer fair and equal, they're "bought and paid for" by the car industry. You actually supplied me with much better, honest and (useful) info than they did- Thank you.
Oil pressure on the cluster while videoing would make me nervous.... it looks like it's reading sorta low on the gauge (@3000 rpm?)... shouldn't it be reading somewhere in the middle?
@@callofdutyguy9 I agree, but they need to have the needle in the middle then as that would be considered "Normal" zone (to me).... Especially a new truck and new engine... I want to see oil pressure
Great review! And I agree with the many other comments related to Kase being a nice addition to the TFL Team! He’s been doing an excellent job! Very knowledgeable, comfortable in front of the camera, and a great communicator of those things that your listeners are most interested in, like the rest of the team 👍
Do these have the Aisin transmissions in them, if so, everyone calm down, those are bulletproof, best transmissions hands down. So good, dodge had to switch to them in their turbo diesel. Also, the trans cooler is not an old school air to fluid cooler, it's plumbed into the cooling system, so it pretty much tracks the cooling system temp, so you won't see much of a difference, summer or winter, provided toyota adequately sized the cooling system.
Dodge had to switch to the Aisin because they don't know how to make a transmission that doesn't blow up after a little bit of work. The Aisin transmissions are good, but there are plenty of other good transmissions that could handle their diesel.
@@prestondeters5093 haha your right … but even guys with the Aisin aren’t happy they blow them too … maybe they should talk to ford or Chevy and pay for the patent to their 10 speeds … it’s funny because everyone knows the Cummins is the most reliable and cheapest to fix of the three if they just got their shit together and bought a good tranny they would have the best combo around
@Eric Frank I agree the Cummins is top dog in the diesel world. Can't beat a big inline 6. I just wish they had more gears. It would benefit that engine greatly since it can't rev very high at all.
If it's like every gauge (besides fuel) in virtually every car in the last 20 years, it's an "idiot gauge." It always points to the exact same spot as long as the pressure is in the normal range.
Forwards in tech, backwards as a truck. RIP Tundra, with your smaller sibling the 2nd Gen Tacoma. Maybe even smaller engines and four turbos is the answer? LOL
Me too...I don't recall using tow/haul in the other test. Andre just stepped on it. Use that Tow/Haul on the old one and tow again. And I have a 2021 Tundra. Do it right TFL !! Christ !!
All this talk about trans temps being high are from those that haven't been paying attention to modern ATF fluid Dynamics. 240 is not a concern, ambient temps that are 50f higher will not translate into fluid temps rising the same.
Since I'm always scanning my gages when I'm towing especially, the thing I noticed most in the video is the where the oil pressure gauge is running when under load at 3000 rpms. I know the gage is not really representative of actual oil pressure but if I looked down and the gage was at the quarter mark it would make me concerned. In was higher going down hill.
I wish you guys wouldn't do super ike on such cold days. For us in high temp conditions, it doesn't test it hard enough for us. I'd like to see these tests in 90+ weather. But I get that timing and availability of the trucks doesn't always allow for that.
Hey TFL - can you guys please re-verify your fuel tank size on your Tundra? On another video, you claimed that it was 26.2 gallons (or thereabouts), but on the Toyota website, the specs for the 2022 4x4 Limited 5.5’ Crew Max Tundra shows 32.2 gallons (under the weights and capacities section). This is a Big Deal for me, so thanks in advance for checking!
From what I’ve heard and read is that they reduced it from 38 to 32 from previous generation to current generation. I’ve not heard of anything in the 20s.
@@vitaly6312 Andre said it in this video ua-cam.com/video/Bf98QZKI4Ws/v-deo.html “Here’s What It’s Like To Road Trip The Brand New Toyota Tundra!” at about the 31:35 mark.
Am I seeing a Panoramic roof in that truck? 0:42 Did I miss an episode where they had it installed because it wasn't there when Andre/company bought it. What am I missing?
Ok TFL saying that 2400-3000rpm isn't working hard is fundamentally misunderstanding the engine you are talking about. You are going to be at maximum boost pressure, your cylinders pressures will higher at this RPM then they would be at 4-5000rpm. At those higher RPMs cylinder pressure drops off with valve overlap. The RPMs you are turning in this video are ideal for Detonation, if you looked at your fuel trim on a scan tool you would see it dumping fuel in to avoid knock. This is called Low Speed Pre-ignition. It's one reason why Toyota and Ford have been switching to dual direct and port fuel injection systems. So no, you are not getting good fuel economy, and your engine is working as hard as it ever will under load.
Toyota invented dual injection in 2005 and had been running it in their V-8's since. Not sure what you're referring to, saying one reason they switched to it is due to low speed pre-ignition...
They've been out for a while, engines last based on how well people take care of them, the turbos are no different. There are multiple video's out there of Ford's 3.5 TT with well over 200k miles on them a friend of mine has a 2013 with over 250k and he loves it so much he says if it ever goes out he'll happily replace the engine.
"Taking care of" is complicated by the fact that they are utility vehicles. Towing heavy puts more stress on it then using it as a daily driver, period.
@@mmguhhuh I think many modern turbo cars do continue to circulate oil through the turbos after you stop so that hot spots don’t develop. In the past turbo timers were common, but I think now everyone employs something similar based on temp.
@@ALMX5DP personally I'm going to do it just out of habit, I've owned a few turbine cars already. I think you mean coolant, I know a lot of German cars have electric waterpumps that continue to run after you shut them off
Toyota will change many things after customer/UA-cam testers show it’s deficiencies. If you have a choice.....Never buy 1st year new models.....These car companies should heed TFL's results.....great work TFL
@@TheTopGun920 They tend to measure twice, build once (that's why it took so long). I'm sure little things will come up when this new powertrain is put to service in the coming years but expect all very little issues... That'll be the best time to get a new one is next refresh. You'll probably still get same powertrain LOL
Your concern regarding towing in hot environments is very valid. I saw 225/228 towing bit more weight in my 07 5.7 up the cajon pass to the 138, doing 60-65 also, except in 115F temps. So seeing 230 with HALF the ambient temp, is very concerning. Id be curious to see if that plate cooler can keep up in hotter weather. Fun fact; from around 150-228F (actual value) the trans gauge on my 07 didn't move! Thanks for the unbiased information! I look forward to warm weather testing.
Most vehicles with automatic transmission have a "trans cooler" and in most cases it's an ATF circuit that goes through the radiator. When people ask if the new Tundra has a transmission cooler, they are referring to the previous external cooler, which is better for towing. A few years ago Toyota went back to the cheaper cooling circuit in the radiator
The new Tundra does not have an old school ATF circuit that pumps the atf fluid up through the radiator. What it has is a liquid cooled heat exchanger that is fed coolant from the cooling circuit. No ATF flows through a cooler embedded in the radiator like many old school designs used to.
@@jasonw8124 If you've ever taken apart the kind that flow through the radiator, it's essentially a finned tube inside the radiator, way less cooling capacity then a dedicated stand along heat exchanger they are using now. This actually isn't the first toyota they've used them on so it isn't an experiment for Toyota. The last thing we'll be hearing about is failed Aisin transmissions on Toyota trucks, and if i'm wrong, come back in a few years and give me a hard time.
@@MadManMachines Aisin transmissions do many things. Failing isn't usually one of them. Though Toyota should quit stating the fluid is 'lifetime'. It needs to be changed at regular intervals just like every other fluid.
@@jblyon2 Well remember that their "lifetime" according to engineers is about 100k miles. So they would really like you to buy a new trans from them every 100k as that's the life of the trans, not the vehicle it's self.
Thank you for sharing the 35-60 time and the transmission temperature. Due to Kase being in the episode, I kept cringing - expecting a Manscaping commercial to start.
TFL is the best for a reason. Look at these camera angles! Look at these real world tests! Look at the awesome guys spending their time to bring this to us!!
Toyota smokes GM and Ford products. Reliability and durability second to none. Tires, brakes, oil changes, you are guaranteed 350-400k miles. Friend of mine had his high pressure oil lines on his F150 turbo needing replacement at 60k. I have heard this is a common problem.
I am curious of how the engine temperature did throughout testing? context: I recall a video of a Ford twin turbo ecoboost owner who reported that his engine got really, really hot from the twin turbos working hard under the hood. Curious how the Tundra setup is mitigating heat build up? ie. all my Toyota's have had temp gauges that once they reach operating temperature, the needle really doe not move wether it is 20 degrees or 100 degrees outside, or whether I am in stop and go traffic or climbing a mountain pass. Wondering if the new Tundra still functions in this manner?
Toyota solved that with the masssssivvve grill 😂 A lot more airflow to keep that engine bay cool. I suspect the grill shutters open and close depending on coolant temps
@@repairvehicle The viscous fan is generating constant air flow throughout the engine bay, so you're right, that certainly helps mitigate heat soak. I believe the Turbo's cooling circuit is a much improved system over the EcoBoost as well.
Those who question the Tundra have never owned one. My 2011 Toyota tundra has 383,000 miles on it and never had anything wrong with it. I will never buy anything but Toyota.
This style of Ike gauntlet showing the gauges and rpm etc in real time is far superior to the ike product you have been providing the past few years. This is more in line with your original Ike videos from years ago. Excellent work and thankyou
Agreed! Love the throwback to the original Ike vids!
You should do a video on how You set the gain on a trailer that you never towed in the past.
So many People just guess and go from seat of the pants feel of aggressiveness.
Better to take the minute to do it right.
I can't wait until you do 3.5 Ecoboost vs Tundra. mano a mano!
Oh I’m definitely waiting for that.
@@chrisblanton1087 I don't understand why they have not done this yet?
Thanks TFL for re-conducting the test to make sure the new Tundra was given a fair chance to use the Tow/Haul + feature.
Any goodwill gained in retest got lost due to title given same results. Newfound love only for truck further soured my view.
@@ttww1590 title doesn’t say it was the same. It says you won’t believe the results
No surprise you cannot really stop much with a CVT transmission honestly it is a chain and 2 moving wheels. How is that supposed to stop 16 tonnes from rolling down a hill.
But the CVT transmission is more efficient for gas, torque and acceleration.
@@flaviusfake271 sounds like its a poor match for towing.
I would like to see some towing tests with Travel Trailers, as they present a much different profile and towing characteristics.
I agree, they are 100 times more common than people towing other pickups. Not those horse trailers they use either, just a standard 24 or so foot 8' wide 10' tall box on wheels with an a/c or two sitting up on the roof.
I have no clue why they don’t use horse trailer or travel trailer
These bs flat decks that don’t have any wind drag are shit testing because a truck towing highwalled trailer is true testament to comfort and ride quality
Unless they have access to the same trailer all things would not be equal. Trailer length, weight, flat nose, v nose, aerodynamic cap. Then if their truck didn't outperform the viewer would want it retested. Tho not perfect, I think the car hauler with the same vehicle on it is close enough. Just like when they fuel mileage test, they may have a head wind, tail wind, cross wind or no wind. Unless they could get all vehicles tested in a convoy pulling identical trailers results will vary. The logistics of it would be crazy.
@@jeffmockus5400 it’s not crazy but a trailer with sides and roof use water totes like before
Or buy a camper and each person cleans it out after use but that trailer is used for all stuff and do dual Ike’s or something they make money off viewers and then beg for content so more towing
@@jeffmockus5400 Just buy an old beat trailer and keep it around for repeated tests....
Kase is such a refreshing addition to the team. I know he’s been behind the camera for a while now but he’s so laid back and extremely knowledgeable, he’s a pleasure to have in front of the camera. Andre and Kase make a great duo.
Was thinking the same thing man, I personally think this duo is a great especially for a video like this where it’s not really fast paced or anything.
The opinion and knowledge coming from that young man is like from a grey haired man !! I amazed how could he make such an incredible input!!
Kasey reminds me of the gopher from Winnie the pooh................. all that whistle lol
Kase kept on talking right through (and over) the acceleration segment and engine sound, which really annoyed me.
not to mention really cute D: !
Team TFL, As a long time subscriber from north of the border, I want to thank you for the shout out to our All-Canadian Truck King channel. I will also commend you for the "Paid Promotion" icon in the corner which so many UA-cam channels 'forget' to include . In regard to engine braking, I suspect that is another case where there is simply no replacement for displacement.
We really enjoy the Truck King channel here in the United States as well. As far as break application, it was the same displacement engine. The only difference wasTow haul plus versus “tow haul”.
@@COMMANDER-ONE Yes, I was comparing the displacement of the new 3.4 Turbo to the old 5.7 V8.
Truck King (Steven) used to be on this channel.
I don’t get Toyota. My 2015 F150 xl with a 3” instrument cluster screen shows me my trans temp. Why can’t this 2022 high tech tundra provide the driver with this??
Toyota engineers-“ok, we got a brand new truck, what should we do?” - I know! Let’s design a gauge cluster from 1994
I mean no worse than the other analog gauges available in other trucks. There is the fully digital version in some trims.
If a dated gauge cluster is all I have to deal with then sign me up.
I call that a feature.
They have nicer gauge cluster. Pay more get more the American way.
What's broken?
Not having a trans temp guage is a huge miss for a modern truck with weights they are rated to tow. I want to be able to monitor it BEFORE it gets too hot instead of being told it is too hot.
204 is the real proof, no external cooler
Toyota says the upper limit is 300F. I think the idea is that you'll never be able to overheat it with loads under the 12k limit so you don't need the gauge. But I agree that they have a ton of real estate on the screens. There's no reason not to show trans temps so we can feel confident on the hills.
@@MrJcjet , do you have proof what you saying, 300F upper limit?
@@repairvehicle Toyota says 302*F is the temp where you're getting too hot for the fluid and need to back off and let it cool down. Flash point for the oil is higher than that. My guess is that damage from parts getting too hot is more concern than the oils.
@@MrJcjet where does Toyota says this? Look like you are spreading misinformation here. Toyota service manual doesn't even say this.
Have Case on here permanently!!! He is very knowledgeable, calm, and unbiased!!!!
"Kase" ;)
This young kid is very knowledgeable and calm. Great job both of you
Agreed. Tommy is terrible and such a dork. Case is way better.
@Rick lol
@@cliffordmontana4562 and always trying to justify his keep purchase 🤣😂
Kase is moving up at TFL and it's easy to see why. The kid knows his stuff. Y'all keep up the great work!
He has good on camera presents ,,,knows his stuff . Like to see more of him .
Knows his camera Yes for-sure, but a car enthusiast? I don’t see it. Anyone can read a brochure.
I'd like to see a summer tow test when the temps are higher there when people actually tow there boats side by sides and atv's out there.
Or come tow out where I live in the summer - it’s only a climb up 3500ft buts over a longer duration in temperatures in excess of 110 degrees. I forgot to mention there’s a fairly large lake (reservoir) at the bottom that offers boating and other water sports so it’s a likely application to tow in this area.
@@Expressionistix Absolutely. Toyota does incredoble things every 15 years or so. I 100% said this would be a truck that "Kept up" and never innovated....Toyota amd Lexus don't know how to anymore
Bryan don't worry this is Toyota
@@stanislawgal5438 What's that mean?
When they tested the Ecodiesel it was in the cold weather. I guarantee in the summer it would have 'derated' due to temps getting too high. Had one. Could tow a camper near 70mph without temps going up on the flat nonetheless. It did pull well however. Vastly under sized radiator for it.
Question since every vehicle seems to be hitting the 8 Minute mark could you guys do a 50mph to 60mph test whe you do your super ike to benchmark passing performance? Just a thought
Would have been interesting to run it back down the mountain in just tow haul mode to see if it went back to 6 applications. That way you could tell if it was the truck or an environmental difference.
Or keep running it until you get the results you really wanted but didn't 😉
If the wind is blowing down the hill you will always have more applications.
Great video guys, love this style of video.
Love the detailed techy conversation only Kase and Andre can have.
Great job guys.
Andre you should put Kase in more of these.
In towing, this truck is impressive. I am surprised that it added 33% more brake actions downhill than the previous test. But having a normal conversation towing 8100 pounds up a mountain and the RPM's staying between 2500-3300 is pretty amazing. You are tempting me to get rid of my 21 Tacoma and get this.
I'm already planning on getting rid of my 21 Tacoma. The ability and efficiency of the Tundra is very attractive. I'm planning on getting the Tundra Hybrid
@@joreldavis4069 From what little I've heard, will the hybrid be worth the extra cost? I've heard some say it will get 20mpg and the highest I heard was 23mpg. So I wonder about that. I also wonder about the cost. I'm thinking it will start around 58K-60K and go up from there. What are your thoughts on that?
@@DannyFyffe Likely see a $70K truck after all said and done. Can't wait to see how well the hybrid does next year!
@@channelnamehere4065 I could see it topped out at 68k Max but that would be too rich for my pocket if that's the case. We will see in around 3 months
I’ve thought about it as well. Also have a 21 tacoma. I like the truck but it’s a little tight, although I was getting 39mpg in Colorado on one portion of my drive (stop to stop). I was amazed but I always get better mileage in Colorado than I do in my flat state.
A tundra would be great but man they are just so darn expensive!
You actually had one more brake application that you didn’t count going down when you were too busy talking the speedo went to 61 MPH! 😂 I’m so not impressed. 😲
9 brake applications from what I saw. U didn't do the last brake when it got to 61. Don't know why u didn't show a digital speedometer when u were climbing to. But it was OK I guess
This is exactly why TFL is the best on UA-cam. Going through all the effort to give the viewers what they want and re-run the ike.
Went from highlighting a few flaws in the last vid to good comments only. Did Toyota pressure them into a more positive spin?
I’m gonna guess the difference in downhill brake applications has more to do with winds. Headwind vs a tailwind etc.
Good call out!
I was thinking you guys tried using cruise control on some of your Ike tests for the downhill portion. I can't remember which specific videos it took place in but I was wondering if there's a reason you haven't been doing that lately? If I recall correctly, it made a difference in the grade-shifting and I plan to try that method when towing with my new Tundra. Thanks TFL!
I like this Kase kid. He does a great job. Part of TFL's future, or whatever he wants to do.
Respectfully, as I’m not a grammar/spelling cop, but it’s spelled Kase. I learned the spelling from someone else myself. I am not trying to be rude at all, just trying to respect Kase.
You are definitely right about Kase. He is learning very fast and getting much more relaxed in front of the camera.
Stay safe out there, Eh!!
@@shitloveaduck fixed
I gotta say I was a little concerned Kase was going to start "manscaping" with the items that he hawks on the channel.
@@percivalgooglyeyes6178 that's exactly what I was thinking 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
231* trans temps on a 40-something degree day doesn’t bode well for Southwestern towing…
Semi truck with 80k on deck in July runs 200*.
Transmissions are built with higher temps in mind. Not high for design.
I 100% agree 231* on a 40* day would definitely equal close to 300* on a 100* day. Don't know the full facts on this Toyota engine but I bet the turbos would overheat and send the engine into limp mode during the summer as well just like the Ford ecoboost does
It's not an air to oil tranny cooler though, it's an antifreeze to oil cooler (meaning, it's plumed into the radiator cooling system). Those types don't rise as much and pretty much track your coolant temp which is thermostatically controlled, so it won't change much, summer or winter provided toyota adequately sized the oil cooler and radiator.
@@MadManMachines there was a 40* ish delta on coolant to trans temps once things started really rolling. Add in less cooling from air blowing on the trans, hotter coolant temps, heat soak, etc. I’d be concerned.
You need to have your camera guy on more often. Cool dude!
This really has my attention. Looks like I'll be trading my 16 Titan XD Cummins for this, just not anytime soon. But once it gets up there in mileage ill definitely give this tundra a look. If Toyota would bring their 3.3 turbo diesel and put it in this I'd definitely snatch one up sooner than later.
Keep your XD Cummins and delete and tune it. That truck and engine is so capable, and the Aisin 6 speed is absolutely amazing. That engine is capable of larger engine power numbers. Ours is around 420 HP and 740 torque with 164k miles without any issues.
@MrNismopro I still have it. Its been fully tooned and d3l3ted since 2019. I still love it.
Can we see how well this Tundra can tow its max (11,000 lbs.) up the Ike, since it seemed to do this weight pretty easily
They won’t be able to tow 11,000 lbs with such a small payload.
1100 lb on the tongue and a driver is all it can handle. The rest of the guys will have to follow the rig in a Camry
@@paulhunter9613 2300-1100 is 1200.. so unless they're all over 300 lbs , it'll be within rated load
So, takeaway for me is regular tow/haul downhill, tow+ uphill. I guess the only remaining question for me is longevity vs the old V8. Apologies if these observations have already been made.
I may have misunderstood them. I was under the impression that their first Ike Gauntlet video/test was regular tow/haul then after discovering the “tow+” they performed a new test all over again.
I'd say more like any small trailer under 4k would be fine in tow haul and any trailer heavier than that should be in plus regardless of flat, down or up hill
Remember no replacement for displacement when it comes to longevity. Why semis don't 6.7 cummins but use 12 liter cummins, because you don't longevity with small engine with pushed to the same horse power as big engines
@@WhoThisGuy515 I can agree with that, just pointing out that they should use the same trailer and similar shape load (if not enclosed). I learned real quick just how much more aerodynamics play than the weight. My Dodge dually got 6-7 mpg with a 13’6” tall (but very light) load and 10-11 mpg with short (but VERY heavy) loads.
Thanks guys for all the videos. I have had 3 different tundras. I like my 12 rock warrior crew max best. I have a 17 pro crew max now. I have a 1794 with a 6.5 box ordered. I have 1 big issue with the new tundra and that's the lack of front tow hooks. WTF! I use mine allot to work on the farm or job. Did Mike the head engineer from toyota say they would be an accessory? At least they could have offered them on the off road packages and the pro. Very disappointing. Please express our disappointment to toyota. I will have to turn to the aftermarket I think.
It hit 61 right before the road flattened out again so it could (should) have been another brake application.
I saw that too
@@WHavriloRT Andre didn't want to count it. He's enamored with that Toyauto. 😉
TFL is just slobbering over this Tundra, almost to the point of being totally ridiculous. It just feels like the Tundra doesn't perform as well as TFL/Toyota wants it to so they're just gonna keep doing it until they get the results they want. Enough already. smh
Probably dragged those brakes around 60-61 to get one less brake before that too. Very biased towards the tundra.
I'm a Toyota guy from way back. I still have a 98 Taco I purchased new. My complaint of Toyota really is about the ones made here in the USA for the past 20 years. They really have fell behind on technology and innovation with the truck line. I've got a 17 F150 platinum 3.5 ecoboost and this truck has virtually everything the new tundra has but 5 years ago. And before the fan boys jump on me, I still have 2 Toyotas and 2 Hondas in my household. The Ford isn't perfect but way ahead of the competition.
That’s never been the debate, the Tundra has such a strong fan base because of its reliability, durability and longevity. That’s why people buy Tundras, not for the tech.
@@smrtguy77777 So if you buy a Toyota it’s necessary for you to sacrifice advancements in technology for reliability? Why can’t Toyota do both? I’ve had both Toyota and Ford products and didn’t have issues with either apart from wishing the Toyota had kept up with the competition.
My family drives fords and Chevys and Dodge , I'm the only one that drives Toyota Tacoma I think it's a preference more than anything , I was all for the new tundra , but I need a V8 and since they don't offer that I'm looking at Ford or Chevy
Absolutely 100% true. Ford TTV6 in a truck 2010 Toyota 2022 HAAA. However..... Toyota does do something right every 15 or 20 years. I have a 2012 ISF and will admit while not obviously built as well as the early to mid 90's Japanese cars.....this thing will absolutely take everything you throw at it. Over engineered and takes a licking and keeps on ticking. Like the LS motors. AND not many people realize the FORD COYOTE motor is a copy cat of the 2URGSE. Won't find that on Google. But in the defense of all manufacturers....nobody wan'ts to build a trouble free vehicle anymore. It's just bad business. Just like the cure for cancer. If you had one it would be bad business
@Helicopter Dad! F series is the leader due to heavy fleet sales. Toyota like Nissan depend on car sales to make the company money. With Toyota trucks are not the priority
Crazy seeing that much weight being pulled at 2k to 2.5k rpm.
That's what boost does for you. The smaller engine DOES limit you for engine braking which is a bummer but you just drive it like Andre is and you'll be safe. I've taken my PowerBoost F150 over Ike, myself and it did just fine.
And little oil pressure. Look at that gauge
@@jacobstrutner8232 Oof, yeah! Damn that's concerning.
Yea those turbos will be history in a short time
Also that gauge cluster is awful. Looks like something from 2006
Yeah it looks the same as the previous models.
If you want the fancier one you've got to pay some $$$
@@Perick76 $60k truck should come with a top the line instrument cluster...
@@hunterdan2002 I agree 100%... I think it's laughable they have a cluster like that in this mid grade model... if it was the base model that'd be different. The lack of transmission temp is also an issue.
I would like to see what happens if you set the cruise control going down the Ike. My 2021 frieghtliner with automatic transmission will will do everything it can to not go more than 5mph over cruise setting. It works great going downhill on dry roads.
I’m very happy with this result. Very quiet, low rpms, lots of power when needed, never went below the speed limit and was smooth and planted on the test. These are all things I look for in a towing rig. I think they did a great job, giving Toyota owners and other truck buyers a truck that will do what they ask of it on a regular basis.
Look at that low oil pressure
Testing should be done at max tow rating. If everyone is doing 65/70, tow at that speed to make truck work harder.
I think because the milage is so low on that tundra that you have gained efficiency by breaking in the engine more since the last test.
We love kase we wanna see more of him.
Having Kase in the video will be a good case!
The fuel economy going uphill I think was the most impressive aspect on this and the previous 22 run. Wonder if Toyota's undersquare engine design played a part, versus the Ford Ecoboost's oversquare design which does seem to be more prevalent in sports cars and things that need to rev higher.
The reason the GM 2.7l turbo makes sense. Undersquare long stroke torque engine.
@@88yellowjacket agreed. Before I learned more about it i was a little apprehensive since they also put it in the Cadillac sedans, but looking into it more I think it'll turn out to be a good mill for most 1/2 ton users for sure.
You can keep your v6 turbo garbage, I don’t care what brand, I’ll take a big 8 any day. Sewing machine motors don’t belong in pickups.
Damn u Toyota all the old tundras needed was better mpg instead u make this abomination
Should look good in front of malls though
Why dont you guys ever lower gear? I have driven that road in a 3500 ram dually Cummins with a 4 car hauler and two vans up and down the Ike and you dont need brakes nearly as often if you downshift.
Maybe tow plus is more about preserving the engine/transmission when towing heavy. Thus less engine braking on the downhill and better fuel economy (less turbo boost?) when going uphill. Interesting.
I'd still choose the Ram over the Tundra.
This test just proves exactly how un-scientific this testing really is. Good entertainment for sure. Just don't expect it to be used as some form of benchmarking. You can repeat this 10 times on the same vehicle (any vehicle), and it will still produce 10 different results.
Very true. So many varying parameters.
Most "scientific" tests that are repeated will produce different results. That's why those results are then added together and divided to give you an approximate average of expected results. Getting different results from the test doesn't necessarily mean the test itself is flawed.
@@darkdodger137 So are you saying they should do the same test 10 times and get an average? Good idea! Let's go!
@@channelnamehere4065 All this “tech” is just marketing to fool people like you into thinking you are getting some kind of super machine, capable of everything. Pure marketing.
@@mikek5298 I'm not sure what tech you're referring to, but Toyota buyers usually don't buy them because they have the coolest and latest tech. This Tundra is just in bad need of a new UI/UX so Toyota created an in-house department specifically just for US market UX/UI (they discovered that US buyers like techy flashy screens). IF anything, the video shows just how confident and capable the Tundra tows. Having nice tech is just icing on the cake.
gauges from the 1980s for 60K
And pneumatic tires from 1845!
Thanks guys, this is the kind of test I've been waiting for ever since they announced the new tundra. Nothing really matters until the towing test!
I think you're hitting the brake too early.. let it try and stop on it's own from increasing in speed. the system let's it drift a bit for efficiency
Should've also put the Titan against it for this second pass 👍
The Titan is history. Nissan dropped it like a hot rock.
I read that too, it said the Titan is on the chopping block.
It’s a shame if that rumor was true. Titan is a damn good 1/2 ton truck.
@@ALMX5DP yes it is, very under rated.
Hahah no que 12 hundre lbs ..., y llevas 8100 lbs,,, yonle meto 10000 lbs ala mia ... hahaha
Ok, where's all the toyota fanboys that said it would do better in tow/haul+? I told all of you it would do the same or worst on the down hill. Probably because it was slightly more aggressive on the trailer brake controller slowing it down faster.
And trans temps... 230 degrees is pretty warm. So... toyota boys happy now? Got what you wanted or did they do something wrong again...
Toyota fan boys are a whiney as pherd fan boys
@@Welcometofacsistube here’s the overweight dodge boy bashing others to feel like the tough kid in the comments!
I am here
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
V8 TUNDRA SUPERIOR, ttv6 INFERIOR
Should have had a v8..😉
Transmission temps are harder to gauge these days, same with oil and coolant. Because manufacturers design them to run hotter to be more efficient. So what was ok 20 years ago is exceeded today and higher temps are ok now. This is partly due to the EPA's requirements for efficiency. Fluids are designed to run hotter and cooling systems overall are much better.
That still kinda throws me off. If my coolant temp got above 200° in my 99 Accord something wasn't right, but my 19 Fusion is happy at 220°
High temperatures shorten life of equipment back then same thing today. Heat does not good, destroys fluid in less than 40k miles.
@@repairvehicle This isn't entirely accurate. Yes, heat still is the main cause for problems. But parts are designed better, modern synthetic fluids are way better at handling higher temps without breaking down compared to old conventional fluids. I haven't had a car overheat in years. When I grew up, I think all of our cars my family owned over heated at one point or another.
I changed the thermostat out on my f250 so the coolant and oil both run around 180 degrees and only gets to about 200 when towing, which before it was easily in the 220-240 range. Hopefully this, combined with the better fluids today, will help it last a long time.
@@GlennPearsonDIY, clutch material and rubber seal still cannot tolerate heat past 220f without becoming hard and brittle. Why transmission fluid cannot last past 40k miles without being burned and wornout? It's because people believe nonsense. I have done fluid analysis and have not seen factory atf being good within factory specifications after 40k miles.
@@repairvehicle with my ecodiesel I did I sent all my fluids in for analysis. After 45k miles, many of which were heavy towing, my transmission fluid still had plenty of life in it according to the test.
The clutch and rubber compounds wear out because the fluid can't provide proper lubricant. I'd also love to see your sources for the temps they break down at. As I know many of the materials used are much better at handling heat than they used to be. Which is the entire argument here.
Andre, you missed brake application #9. The speedo hit 61 mph but you didn’t use the brakes.
Great videos. A few questions/comments… Did Toyota change the integrated brake controller (IBC) from the previous Gen Tundra? I replaced the IBC with my old Tekonsha in my 2016 TRD DC because it did not function safely.
I tow a 9000 lb travel trailer and always downshift manually when going down long descents. I believe this is what most of us do so I don’t think the automatic engine braking is super critical.
A pet peeve with my 2016 is the display for remaining distance. It is not calculated based on the current (average) fuel consumption. In other words, the value does not get recalculated when you reset the average fuel consumption. Because of this, unless you tow all the time, you can’t rely on the gauge to estimate how far you can travel based on remaining fuel.
Decible tester sits on the floor guess we will never know the decibles.....cmon guys
There should have been 9 brake applications. Andre just didn't catch that last one. 😂
Wow that tow plus mode is terrible on rpms. I'd rather use a trailer brake controller.
Yep nail on the head with towing in the desert! I tow through the northern hills of AZ in the summer time. Lots of long steep grades, 100°+ temps, 45mph curves, traffic. Will bring many trucks to their knees.
So which 1500 would you get?
@@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849 F150 with the 3.5 eco boost. Hands down best half ton towing platform. That's what Toyota is trying to compete with it. I actually would recommend a heavy duty truck but if your gonna go half ton. That's the one I'd buy.
Does kase have a twitter ? iG? Only fans😅 asking for a friend 👀🥵
1,400 # payload is mediocre in the full size truck segment. Those that tow and add common options to their truck like a bed camper top, realize that payload is king.
True, but it’s a half ton truck…
Toyota needs a HD truck.
That would be nice.
🤣 Nathan is so hilarious in that add
Have you guys ever tried using cruise control for towing tests? My 2020 1500 duramax will down shift and hold itself back better going down hill ONLY in cruise control. It’s wired but the truck performs better in cruise. I live near a hill in Az you use once a long time ago. Rye hill by Payson.
Might want to play with it and see if you find the same thing as I’ve found
Would the engine braking kick in more if the truck was in cruise control mode?
I would almost guarantee that. My 19 Tacoma shifts down aggressively if it goes 2-3 mph over the cruise control setting. RPMs jump to 4500. It’s almost annoying but I understand it’s preventing excessive braking.
@@boomstickpd79 That’s what I was thinking 🤔. Put it in cruise control and let the engine do its job.
I’m interested as well. Most cars/trucks I’ve driven just uncouple the engine/torque converter if you coast down a hill. On cruise they’ll downshift to maintain.
ignored a break application and switched to the view of tow plus lol
Nathans weight was an advantage in rolling resistance. (Sorry Nathan)
These tests are good but they really only show us which design works better in the mountains right. On the flat lands or normal towing with occasional hills these newer trucks work great when compared to the trucks of even a few years ago.
My 5.7 tundra while it will not do aswell as these up the mountain. It tows great. I own 4 trailers a heavy duty machine trailer for a small skid steer, a 28 foot travel trailer , a 7x16 enclosed car trailer, and a small utility trailer .
I have owned and towed all 4 with
2010 Tundra
2017 Ran 2500 cummins
2018 F150 Ecoboost
2018 F250 Powerstroke
2014 Tundra
In my personal experience i perfer ny 2014 tundra to tow all of them. While the diesels were wayyyyyyh more effortless they were large and rode poorly snd i dislikes driving them daily
The ecoboost had more low end and 10 speed was nice to find right gear instead of changing gears all the time but the suspension was wonky and truck felt too light when i had my travel trailer hooked to it. Also i always felt like under that load 7600lbs that the engine was under a ton of pressure and it actually blew a piston skirt at 14000 miles
The 2014 tundra s tow haul down shifts and grade shifts wel for my are- NH we have mountains but not like out west
It can maintain 70 while towing travel tfailer fairy easy downshifts on grades where dieslel just locked and spun turbos
But if feels like it will last forever and its turning radius when having to turn with a trailer is by far then best of my fleet i can make a u turn with my 16 foot trailer almost anywhere.
And unloaded its fun to drive for a truck
Mpg is bad to badish
Ram inaveraged 16
F 150 i averaged 15.5
Supersudy 15.5
Tundra 14.6
Good info!
Hey Kevin Kelly, What are the odds Toyota pressured them to admit that they screwed up, then to redoo the test for a better outcome? Duh! The original TFL started out hungry and would've Never compromised their integrity by such an obvious move. They're no longer fair and equal, they're "bought and paid for" by the car industry. You actually supplied me with much better, honest and (useful) info than they did- Thank you.
@@rich7310 i dont know they re did test and it did worse than first time i think they just proved that tow haul 2 doesnt work well in mountains.
Is this Andre's truck? Doesn't seem like anyone else can touch it other than him. Lol!
Oil pressure on the cluster while videoing would make me nervous.... it looks like it's reading sorta low on the gauge (@3000 rpm?)... shouldn't it be reading somewhere in the middle?
I think this engine has one of those fancy oil pumps. Can vary oil pressure for better fuel economy (sigh)
@@callofdutyguy9 I agree, but they need to have the needle in the middle then as that would be considered "Normal" zone (to me).... Especially a new truck and new engine... I want to see oil pressure
Ok now do a run off … f150 vs the Toy towing an 11k trailer
Great review! And I agree with the many other comments related to Kase being a nice addition to the TFL Team! He’s been doing an excellent job! Very knowledgeable, comfortable in front of the camera, and a great communicator of those things that your listeners are most interested in, like the rest of the team 👍
Kase is awsome, this review was horrible. Same score, but talking up the truck more, then slapping we were wrong title. Feels slimy.
MPG Tow loop next. I would love to see what it gets towing normally
Only watch TFL when that Roman dude isn’t there.
Do these have the Aisin transmissions in them, if so, everyone calm down, those are bulletproof, best transmissions hands down. So good, dodge had to switch to them in their turbo diesel. Also, the trans cooler is not an old school air to fluid cooler, it's plumbed into the cooling system, so it pretty much tracks the cooling system temp, so you won't see much of a difference, summer or winter, provided toyota adequately sized the cooling system.
Exactly. Why do people make big fuss about things that don't matter?
Dodge had to switch to the Aisin because they don't know how to make a transmission that doesn't blow up after a little bit of work. The Aisin transmissions are good, but there are plenty of other good transmissions that could handle their diesel.
@@prestondeters5093 haha your right … but even guys with the Aisin aren’t happy they blow them too … maybe they should talk to ford or Chevy and pay for the patent to their 10 speeds … it’s funny because everyone knows the Cummins is the most reliable and cheapest to fix of the three if they just got their shit together and bought a good tranny they would have the best combo around
@@ericfrank814 The Aisin failures are rare. Even an anvil breaks once in a blue moon!
@Eric Frank I agree the Cummins is top dog in the diesel world. Can't beat a big inline 6. I just wish they had more gears. It would benefit that engine greatly since it can't rev very high at all.
That Tundra is so ugly. The front end is hideous.
It looked like the oil pressure was really on the low side. May have just been the angle the camera had on the gauge.
If it's like every gauge (besides fuel) in virtually every car in the last 20 years, it's an "idiot gauge." It always points to the exact same spot as long as the pressure is in the normal range.
Just were the gauge reads in the tundra. They all do it. It looks low but that’s the normal range.
Forwards in tech, backwards as a truck. RIP Tundra, with your smaller sibling the 2nd Gen Tacoma. Maybe even smaller engines and four turbos is the answer? LOL
HaHa. Peps have been saying that for 20 years and it’s still here.
I’m not that impressed I’ll keep my old tundra
Definitely
Me too...I don't recall using tow/haul in the other test. Andre just stepped on it. Use that Tow/Haul on the old one and tow again. And I have a 2021 Tundra. Do it right TFL !! Christ !!
@@token4874 They are trying very hard at making this 2022 Tundra a winner and it's just not cutting the mustard.
YOU GUYS RETESTED THE TUNDRA CUZ TOYOTA WAS NOT HAPPY WITH THE RESULT THE FIRST TIME? LOL
Wait, not apples to apples, you have 150 lbs LESS in the truck this run 😉
That was very discrete not to mention Nathan by name. Oops....
I see what you did there, poor Nathan!!!!
All this talk about trans temps being high are from those that haven't been paying attention to modern ATF fluid Dynamics.
240 is not a concern, ambient temps that are 50f higher will not translate into fluid temps rising the same.
The oil pressure gauge was concerning as it was near the low mark. Wonder what effect that will have in the long term
Yup very low and they don't give you real numbers on the guage to call them out for it.
Andre, your MPG got better because you had Kase as your travel companion this time. :)
Since I'm always scanning my gages when I'm towing especially, the thing I noticed most in the video is the where the oil pressure gauge is running when under load at 3000 rpms. I know the gage is not really representative of actual oil pressure but if I looked down and the gage was at the quarter mark it would make me concerned. In was higher going down hill.
Noticed that. Damn near 0 under full load is not good even if that gauge goes to 200 psi.
I wish you guys wouldn't do super ike on such cold days. For us in high temp conditions, it doesn't test it hard enough for us. I'd like to see these tests in 90+ weather. But I get that timing and availability of the trucks doesn't always allow for that.
Hey TFL - can you guys please re-verify your fuel tank size on your Tundra? On another video, you claimed that it was 26.2 gallons (or thereabouts), but on the Toyota website, the specs for the 2022 4x4 Limited 5.5’ Crew Max Tundra shows 32.2 gallons (under the weights and capacities section). This is a Big Deal for me, so thanks in advance for checking!
From what I’ve heard and read is that they reduced it from 38 to 32 from previous generation to current generation. I’ve not heard of anything in the 20s.
@@vitaly6312 Andre said it in this video ua-cam.com/video/Bf98QZKI4Ws/v-deo.html “Here’s What It’s Like To Road Trip The Brand New Toyota Tundra!” at about the 31:35 mark.
Am I seeing a Panoramic roof in that truck? 0:42 Did I miss an episode where they had it installed because it wasn't there when Andre/company bought it. What am I missing?
They also have a tester from Toyota in almost the exact configuration as the one they bought.
@@petevincent74 Thank You
Ok TFL saying that 2400-3000rpm isn't working hard is fundamentally misunderstanding the engine you are talking about. You are going to be at maximum boost pressure, your cylinders pressures will higher at this RPM then they would be at 4-5000rpm. At those higher RPMs cylinder pressure drops off with valve overlap. The RPMs you are turning in this video are ideal for Detonation, if you looked at your fuel trim on a scan tool you would see it dumping fuel in to avoid knock. This is called Low Speed Pre-ignition. It's one reason why Toyota and Ford have been switching to dual direct and port fuel injection systems.
So no, you are not getting good fuel economy, and your engine is working as hard as it ever will under load.
It's not always about rpm, but how much heat it generates.
Toyota invented dual injection in 2005 and had been running it in their V-8's since. Not sure what you're referring to, saying one reason they switched to it is due to low speed pre-ignition...
@@channelnamehere4065, which Toyota model had dual injection in 2005?
@@repairvehicle They patented it back then. They probably didn't productionize it until the 2007 GX, if I recall...
Nevermind - according to wikipedia, it was LS460 in 2006 that came with it in the 1UR-FSE variant.
Would love to know the lifespan of these turbos because they have to spool up pretty hard to get the power needed.
They've been out for a while, engines last based on how well people take care of them, the turbos are no different. There are multiple video's out there of Ford's 3.5 TT with well over 200k miles on them a friend of mine has a 2013 with over 250k and he loves it so much he says if it ever goes out he'll happily replace the engine.
"Taking care of" is complicated by the fact that they are utility vehicles. Towing heavy puts more stress on it then using it as a daily driver, period.
One of the biggest things is letting the turbos cool down for a few minutes before you turn the truck off, especially after towing and highway driving
@@mmguhhuh I think many modern turbo cars do continue to circulate oil through the turbos after you stop so that hot spots don’t develop. In the past turbo timers were common, but I think now everyone employs something similar based on temp.
@@ALMX5DP personally I'm going to do it just out of habit, I've owned a few turbine cars already.
I think you mean coolant, I know a lot of German cars have electric waterpumps that continue to run after you shut them off
Toyota will change many things after customer/UA-cam testers show it’s deficiencies. If you have a choice.....Never buy 1st year new models.....These car companies should heed TFL's results.....great work TFL
The last Tundra was unchanged for nearly 20 years lol
@@TheTopGun920 They tend to measure twice, build once (that's why it took so long). I'm sure little things will come up when this new powertrain is put to service in the coming years but expect all very little issues... That'll be the best time to get a new one is next refresh. You'll probably still get same powertrain LOL
Your concern regarding towing in hot environments is very valid. I saw 225/228 towing bit more weight in my 07 5.7 up the cajon pass to the 138, doing 60-65 also, except in 115F temps. So seeing 230 with HALF the ambient temp, is very concerning. Id be curious to see if that plate cooler can keep up in hotter weather. Fun fact; from around 150-228F (actual value) the trans gauge on my 07 didn't move! Thanks for the unbiased information! I look forward to warm weather testing.
I love it when they test turbocharged engines on the Ike. Naturally aspirated engines just can't keep up. TURBOS RULE!
Turbos and superchargers will always outperform NA at high altitude.
Good review guys👍I can't get over how many hoops you have to jump through to change any settings on the truck🤔
Every time you push a button Toyota gets notified and you have to pay subscription fee
Odd they didn't knock it for that. This re-do seemed a lot more like paid advertising than the original.
@@wileecoyote5749 laugh but Toyota has a keyless subscription for the tundra.
Most vehicles with automatic transmission have a "trans cooler" and in most cases it's an ATF circuit that goes through the radiator.
When people ask if the new Tundra has a transmission cooler, they are referring to the previous external cooler, which is better for towing. A few years ago Toyota went back to the cheaper cooling circuit in the radiator
The new Tundra does not have an old school ATF circuit that pumps the atf fluid up through the radiator. What it has is a liquid cooled heat exchanger that is fed coolant from the cooling circuit. No ATF flows through a cooler embedded in the radiator like many old school designs used to.
@@MadManMachines seems about the same. Liquid to liquid exchanger either way.
@@jasonw8124 If you've ever taken apart the kind that flow through the radiator, it's essentially a finned tube inside the radiator, way less cooling capacity then a dedicated stand along heat exchanger they are using now. This actually isn't the first toyota they've used them on so it isn't an experiment for Toyota. The last thing we'll be hearing about is failed Aisin transmissions on Toyota trucks, and if i'm wrong, come back in a few years and give me a hard time.
@@MadManMachines Aisin transmissions do many things. Failing isn't usually one of them. Though Toyota should quit stating the fluid is 'lifetime'. It needs to be changed at regular intervals just like every other fluid.
@@jblyon2 Well remember that their "lifetime" according to engineers is about 100k miles. So they would really like you to buy a new trans from them every 100k as that's the life of the trans, not the vehicle it's self.
Thank you for sharing the 35-60 time and the transmission temperature. Due to Kase being in the episode, I kept cringing - expecting a Manscaping commercial to start.
TFL is the best for a reason. Look at these camera angles! Look at these real world tests! Look at the awesome guys spending their time to bring this to us!!
Spending their time to get paid you mean.
BUY AMERICAN ...BUY SUPERIOR AS WELL..... GM LS ENGINES...FORD 5.0.... ALL BULLET PROOF...AND NOT BETRAYING OUR COUNTRY !
@@barrya.6212 Everything Ford & GM offer just looks better now. Toyota and Nissan instantly look cheap.
Toyota smokes GM and Ford products. Reliability and durability second to none. Tires, brakes, oil changes, you are guaranteed 350-400k miles. Friend of mine had his high pressure oil lines on his F150 turbo needing replacement at 60k. I have heard this is a common problem.
@@johnkozr1579 Tires better too. You sound brain washed bubba. Maybe you work there. Hilarious.
Kase needs to spend more time presenting.
I am curious of how the engine temperature did throughout testing? context: I recall a video of a Ford twin turbo ecoboost owner who reported that his engine got really, really hot from the twin turbos working hard under the hood. Curious how the Tundra setup is mitigating heat build up? ie. all my Toyota's have had temp gauges that once they reach operating temperature, the needle really doe not move wether it is 20 degrees or 100 degrees outside, or whether I am in stop and go traffic or climbing a mountain pass. Wondering if the new Tundra still functions in this manner?
Toyota solved that with the masssssivvve grill 😂
A lot more airflow to keep that engine bay cool. I suspect the grill shutters open and close depending on coolant temps
Ford uses useless electric fans, Tundra uses real mechanical belt driven fan.
@@repairvehicle The viscous fan is generating constant air flow throughout the engine bay, so you're right, that certainly helps mitigate heat soak. I believe the Turbo's cooling circuit is a much improved system over the EcoBoost as well.
Belt driven fans break belts. And robs power from the engine also. Looks like they did use some of that old antiquated designs after all
@@paulhunter9613, Robs power or overheating like f150 ecoboost
Those who question the Tundra have never owned one. My 2011 Toyota tundra has 383,000 miles on it and never had anything wrong with it. I will never buy anything but Toyota.