Fantano Versus Kanye West Fans: Who's Right?
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- Опубліковано 16 гру 2023
- Fantano Versus Kanye West Fans: Who's Right?
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Dude’s got a higher chance of putting out 5 more Kanye related videos this week than Kanye does of dropping an album.
Facts
Bruh he hasn't even dropped that many. He's only made 1̶ 2̶ 3 videos. Sure two of them were five hours apart....
Was never gonna listen to kanye album but thats to melon dropping kanye videos and giving him attention i am now hyper to hear this album….. if it exists
Kanye is the worst artist to tell someone to listen to while separating his personality from his music. He blends his personality into his music so much more than other artists do
I’m glad people understand that about Ye. I would go as far as to say people are totally missing out on a huge amount of resonance in his discography if they aren’t reading it as a reflection of the person. It’s not all surface level and can be interpreted different ways but it is all very specific to him and it won’t hit the same for people who don’t have interest in Kanye the person.
The first 5 words almost gave me a heart attack
And I’ve always liked that about Kanye’s music and I continue to.I like how it’s always been like he’s actually talking to you when he’s making music. And I think that’s why I don’t flinch when he says lines like what he said on vultures
Honestly, the "separate the art from the artist" is a vaild argument. But holy shit Kanye has that phrase at fucking gunpoint 😭💀
Just because someone thinks Jimmy Page, R.Kelly and Kanye's music is great does not mean they condone their actions as people, music is Art
@@no-vk2qe I understand that. But like the video says. If those actions are becoming your art. Then how are you supposed to separate it?
I still love Annie Hall because nothing about Woody Allen's problematic actions are present in it. When we "separate the art from the artist", what we really mean is that the things we dislike about the artist are never present in the art in the first place. I don't "separate the art from the artist" with (for example) MSI's "Tight" because it's apparent at this point that he's singing about being a pedophile. Adjacent to that, Kanye has enormous reach and cultural influence; it's ignorant of anyone to pretend that continuing to support him and give him attention does not, as a result of his actions outside of his music, result in material harm to real people. Giving the dude any attention at all increases the likelihood of anti-semitic hate crimes. The integrity of artistic criticism is not more important than the lives of those victims.
@no-vk2qe but to hear someone Criticize who kanye is as a person, and then say "but his art is good" is a really stupid thing to do, if you think his art is good why can't people just shut the hell up and listen to it instead of bringing it up every five seconds when someone says he sucks as a person
@@mr.dirtydan3338 that's a great point 🙏
And this is why lyrical analysis in music has always been something that I need to get better at grasping and managing, so thank you for this reminder 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I think it’s weird Fantano says all this shit even though he’s definitely still gonna review it. If he hasn’t drawn a line when hearing people like Jay Electronica (a member of an actual hate group) then I doubt he will for Ye.
When did he say you or him can’t listen to it?
@@peterofworlds8635 I’m saying if someone is saying something so staunchly against your own morals, why would you give their work any form of publicity? Fantano should not review Vultures, but he will anyway.
Genuine question cause idk but what hate group jay is attached to?
@@Akbar-co5bq Nation of Islam; it’s a cult filled with psuedohistory and racism.
@@KrustyJoeyou think Fantano's review will give new publicity to KANYE FUCKING WEST? 😂
counterpoint: how many rappers have you enjoyed that have used rap as a way to brag about murders they’ve committed or rappers in general who have criminal records? let’s not act like this genre is holy and kanye is some exception. “who cares if the music is fire” is pretty much rap fans summarized. they’ll listen to anything with a good beat
There’s artists in every genre that are controversial or genuinely terrible people outside of the music, but still will have many fans and listeners. I wouldn’t single out hiphop
@@armadillosellerit's clearly an example and probably the most accurate example. Of course many genres have horrible people, but hip hop for some reason glorifies their malevolent crimes with no remorse. Like they talk about murders they commit as an equivalent to someone littering as a child. Truly sadistic.
You literally posted videos saying separate the art from the artist 5 years ago melon . You can’t roll your eyes at people who had the same views you had literally not that long ago bud.
Which video
People can change their opinion. Being a hypocrite is when your current words or actions contradict something you are claiming you care about in the present. That said I'm not sure anything could change my view on separating the art from the artist.
Maybe actually listen to what he said in the vid
@@praisethefirstborn6226 he literally is mad at people for separating the art from the artist when he had that same position not long ago .
@@luker.6967 so he totally changed his position within a 4 year period lol? This isn’t 10 year ago 20 years ago it’s 4 dude 4 .
Thanks for helping me understand 👍🏾
i honestly think kanye makes his art to remind people of and to try explain/normalize/justify his controversies and beliefs. like,, i rlly get the impression he makes art to spread a message, and in this case the message includes anti-semitic conspiracy theorising. like,,, i rlly think kanye WANTS his audience to not seperate the art from the artist.
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Lego fortnite indeed
100%. Kayne writes personality driven rap (particularly post 808s Kanye) so it’s easier to want to “cancel” than music about universal themes.
Some people assume that separating the art from the artist means ignoring bad actions from the art. When it literally means when it means. Just pay attention to the phrase.
Exactly. I see Melons point but.. I think there’s more too it. The way he says this about ye, I could apply the same thing to Death Grips. There’s plenty of examples in their music for this convo but, I’ll just name a couple off the top of my head..
“I am the beast I worship”
“To pray is to accept defeat”
Now look, ion care what anyone else believes. I know why I believe in. & that is God. There are people that believe in God just like I do, & would hear something like that being said.. & completely turn away and view it as blasphemous.
I in no way identify with a lot of the subject matter that MC Ride /Death Grips as a whole provide in their music. But.. to say I can’t still see the talent & intellect coming from them, would be a lie. Although not of God, they’re still souls trynna represent and share a message with the world. & it just happens they know how/want to do that through loud & obnoxious musical badassery.
I’ll never believe or share the morals in which they possess.. but in knowing that we don’t know anything.. & we just a speck in the universe.. it’d be wrong to ignore their expression because they don’t align with the morals that were passed down to me.. especially w/ those morals being passed down MANY generations before, to even get to me.
It’s 1000% possible to separate the artist from the music.
Well said.
You can clearly tell that the reviewer has a personal vendetta against Kanye.
Be a *neutral and unbiased MUSIC reviewer* & stop letting your personal beliefs influence what you say about someone’s music.
He's not wrong if his message is in the art it's hard to separate the art from the artist like he said plus he's stated this many times all his videos its all his opnions so he can tell his personal opinions and place it against the art
hun music is subjective ofc a review is going to be his opinion, as stated in the description of all of his reviews
You shouldnt separate Kanyes politics from Kanyes music because his music is about himself. But you should separate Kanyes politics from evaluating the technical quality of the music like the production, rapping, story etf. Fantano was able to do that when Kanye was just pro-trump and anti-democrat, like in his album Ye. I'm curious if he'll still be able to do that with Vultures
you gave kids see ghosts a 10/10 when he was in peak maga
Rap is a different case, but there are definitely artists where I can shut out the lyrics to appreciate a sick guitar riff, etc.
so true
If I stopped listening to everyone I disagree with (politically or whatever), I would have no artist left to listen to.
It would just be like AJR or something
You Die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a Villain Timeline we are Witnessing. The Fall off to Insanity is Insane. Can't Wait for Kid Cudi's Insano.
i can
I will never understand the idea of kanye being a "hero" dude makes awesome music at one point, don't know why that makes him a "hero"
"Man Drake really fell off. Can't wait to listen to the new Eminem album"
@@mr.dirtydan3338its a metaphor , kanye during his early years rapping really seemed like a funny regular dude who just happened to enjoy making music , he didnt follow trends and didnt try to act like he's some kind of a street gangster , instead he made an all time classic rapping about the educational system , he was open about his life and in his own words , self-conscious . But since his his mom died his life and mental health spiraled down slowly till where it is today
@@korontos9038 He also married into a clout chasing family who I'd barely describe as human
Thats an incredible point
Bro he made graduation
i tend to type too much and people will think this is total d riding but i think there’s almost a 50/50 possibility Ye is doing performance art.
Reference points being
2015 interview with Clique on UA-cam
2018 interview with Jimmy Kimmel on UA-cam
2021 interviews with a performance artist named Tino Seghal for a magazine which you could google.
This combined with the fact that after Kanye was hospitalized in 2016 he was gone for the entire year in 2017 and returned to twitter in 2018 and was tweeting a lot about performance art and also said things like people should forgive whoever did them the most harm in their lives.
He was planning to release an album called Love Everyone , which also was titled Hitler at one point.
On the album cover he wanted to put a picture of the Doctor who was said to be responsible for his moms death and the content of the album was said to be material so offensive that it would get Kanye cancelled..
But Kanye scrapped that album and instead made the album Ye(I hate being bipolar it’s awesome)
Most beautiful thoughts are always beside the darkest.. Today i thought about killing you, and i think about killing myself and I love myself way more than I love you”
The name Kanye means “only one” the word Ye in the Bible means You or everyone .. Ye explains that was his intent for the title in an interview with Big Boi in 2018 pre Ye album listening party.
If a person reads/watches those interviews and knows what Kanye was saying on twitter in 2018 , they may not believe the performance art theory but they should at least understand why that is a possibility and we’re not dealing with someone too dumb to be doing that..
His association with people society considers “the bad guy” is very apparent, Trump, Hitler, Marilyn Manson, Chris Brown , Cancelled people, gangster rappers ,his interest in freeing Larry Hoover and prison reform.
I wish I was internet savvy so I could post all the receipts so people wouldn’t think I’m talking out my bunz but there are a lot of breadcrumbs even besides what i mentioned. One of Kanye’s favorite movies is The Holy Mountain( the director said Kanye tried to meet him) and if you’ve watched that movie and know what it’s about , it also supports my theory .
(Btw performance art doesn’t always mean acting , I don’t think Ye is Daniel Day Lewis .. also I acknowledge it could just be him totally losing touch with reality and totally believing everything and there’s no nuance to this at all ,
Or like most things it’s a mixture of everything.)
Also I am self aware enough to know I’m a fan and this could be cognitive dissonance to cope.
Yeetler
I'm pretty sure these people are referring to his older music that already existed way before his recent BS, not Vultures necessarily
i miss the old kanye
I hate this new Kanye
This saying edgy anti Semitic stuff Kanye
The I like Hitler Kanye
The not taking his divorce well Kanye
The psychological struggling Kanye
The trying to sabotage his career Kanye
The not setting a better example of your kids Kanye
Well said
I can still separate the art from the artist. If it sounds great it sounds great
I agree with you! What I don't understand is why every pseudo-intellectual media outlet continues regurgitating this man's name 24x7... why profit off him when he's clearly problematic? I don't go around policing what people should consume but this is some annoying ass virtue signalling - pandering to your broader audience as you make three more videos for them to watch
Aye if the beat fire...😂😂😂
Melon is obviously right
Melon also rated sexy redd album an 8 which is higher than utopia or any other albums, while I personally enjoy utopia a lot more as fantano sheep i have to agree with fantano that sexy redd is an 8 and superior album
Who listens to Kanye West rap and doesn't instantly think of him or what he represents anyway?
Me
Me
His whole appeal was to be that uplifting, kid that made it big with his fresh feeling samples, and elaborate producing, and was proud of himself so throughout his lyrics he'd share that emotion,, motivational music that to this day still resounds with many.
Nowadays said guy turned to be an actual antisemitic douchebag, that is hella full of himself, and is never gonna say otherwise, nor get help nor grow up as a person, thus badly infuencing thru his new music all the listeners that already resonated with his motivational older tracks.
Also even if u say its false and that it's impossible for someone to fully agree on anything the dude is saying publicly (like, out of his music messages) the fandoms, stans and basically every obsessive fan guy willing to follow the every move from his favourite artist(his "leader" at this point xd) will always be there and ignorantly repeat whatever he says or is representing.
I know theres mature enough people that will listen to his older/newer music separating the artist and his racist, harmful political opinions; and actually just vibe to the non nazi referencing tracks,, but youre just as ignorant and foolish if you just cover your ears to the fact that his toxic obsessive fanbase doesnt exist, even more so if it's such a big artist name like kanye's....
His 60 million monthly listeners
@@yrnkevinsmithC-137 bro xD are u even serious rn
that’s true and fair. at least with ye, jesus is king, and donda you didn’t get that much politics
This is why I stay away from bands like Peste Noire and Absurd. I can separate art from artists but it's kind of hard to jam out to something enthusiastically when you know the actual message of the song is something so stupid or ignorant.
you're not real kanye fans if you separating art from artist
Will he review Vultures when it comes out or no because of Kanye
I could honestly not give a singular fuck about what Kanye does or says outside of music. He could have committed mass murder and if he puts out a dope song I would still listen to it. This also applies to all other singers or entertainers.
I don't have perfect English, so I guess that I can just listen music fully, not just lyrics or instrumentals, that's why I'm so in love with Travis, Kanye and Weeknd. And that's why I don't like most of songs like 21 savage has, or fvcking lil durk.
And yeah, I can hear and recognize some parts with words and phrases, but sometimes I just hear what I want to hear, and only after, I can read lyrics and understand, that it wasn't exact phrase, that I always heared)))
this is true but it only applies to kanye's new music
you can still enjoy his old songs even if he is trash now
Plenty of people just listen to music because yk it sounds good? Like how people listen to music talking about drugs and killing people and don't agree with doing drugs and killing people?
I feel like imma do it with specific tracks. If he says some shit like he did with the single vultures, I’m probably not gonna be able to. If he makes heat that isn’t related to politics or his bs I’ll like it. It all depends on the specific tracks for me
If a can justify listening to playboy carti i can justify listening to kanye
Wow Melon throwing shade at ambient music fans
On my cell, in my cell tonight, dont have to see you to touch you, this is what braille look like, its on sight
Can't see em coming down my eyes so I gotta make this SONG CRY 😢💔😭😿🌇🎢🥋🎯🎯🎯
22 Two's muthra frkstRRRR 2️⃣2️⃣🆒️🍓
To be honest, i feel that sometimes he says the truth while other times he just acts weirdly, I personally think that's not kanye fr
This MF gives an 8 to Sexy Red album over MBDTF
Im soooo close anthony
It’s hypocritical to time and time again, give praise to albums with racist messaging, then claim this is somehow different. I'm not going to listen to Kanye's stupid rhetoric and I heavily disagree with it, but there is 100% a leniency you give to other artists who share similar ideas, only you’re blind to it because you implicitly see certain people as oppressed and worthy of sharing those ideas.
The seperate the art from the artist argument gets really tedious especially with people who actually care about the music. It's a seize mentality that's what it is. I've really lost interest in his music anyway(even his 00s stuff I don't find the need to listen to them over other music) but if I cared about his music I'd say this
If I was at his concert and he raps out some problematic shit, worse, even hear some crowds yell that back at him, I'll reexamine my priorities
Bro... I just want New Body to be cannon. That makes me part of a bad fandom?
I wont listen to Art Kelly or Kanye.
Fantano gonna bash a song by him for one bad line in it when vultures drops, wait on it
The line of the separating art and artist defence gets drawn at explicit self professed nazism.
I agree with almost everything you say in this video. But how about you listen to ghost town and runaway and come back to me then.
Ya I listen to killers, grapists, racists and cannibals. An anti semetic rapper isn’t new or uncommon. I don’t condone being any of those things and my endorsement of a piece of art is not an endorsement of the content as a reflection of personal morals. Lolita is art and not ok and beautiful and about something disgusting and something everyone should read all at the same time. And if some of the greatest music came from serial killers or dictators then so be it. Kanye is moving with hate which is terrible and I don’t condone even spending money on anything he creates tbh. But will I listen to his album over and over if it’s good? Yes I will
A musicians sole is reflected in their art. So, when it comes to music, it is near impossible to separate the art from the artist as they are so entwined.
not really like look at utopia & Travis Scott with the whole Astrofest incident
Great point but like most of the things in life: It dependes. Dependes of which artist you're talking about, some artist are crazy but their music isn't and vice versa
Why do u care so much…
We listen to people talk about robbing and killing all the time which is much worse than what Ye is doing btw. what’s the difference between that and not listening to Ye mention yewsh people. Some rappers are literal criminals and get better treatment lol. Yall need to get over yourselves.
Honestly...this shit sounds just like when people defend listening to NSBM...and that should tell you everything
Then don't review his upcoming music ,it just staight answer. Why are u making videos about him then .
Kanye about to drop such an awful album 😭😭😭😭 he is ruining his older music as well
Idk Melon I think you’re being too political minded right now.
im somewhat exited for his production and the features. Not kanye unfortunately 😭😭😭😭
Coming from a guy that gave sexy reds record an 8 this year better than Travis I don’t care what his view is on Kanye at all
fair enough
my take is kanye's wallet is getting smaller and the ones liable to go out and support him are mostly racists.
the ones saying he is speaking the truth sound like cult followers.
So I’m a racist just cause I like Graduation :(
You really think most of his 60 million+ monthly listeners are racists?
Best Fantano take just dropped
I just don't take him too serious honestly, like a lot of celebrities are kinda a-holes or full on a-holes, but I'm never gonna meet them in person nor they affect me in any way. Specially Kanye, this man is like the least human someone should take seriously without knowing him in person. And people have their own reasons and tastes anyways, even if you disagree that's not gonna change their opinion.
kanye is out of touch & pocket but why does politics have to consume everything we do.. does a album sound or score different based on how liberal they are?? lol that’s the last thing on my mind when listening to music
He's a Nazi?
Yes because ratings are subjective and depend on the person who's doing the rating.
Wtf does liberalism have anything to do with kanye constantly and literally parroting nazi talking points
Click bait. See ya at the review 😂
Fantano rates Palestine a 0
I do feel that even if for some reason you want to take the apolitical route (which is insane at this point), boycotting Kanyes music is something his fans should do if what they themselves claim is true. If kanye is having manic episodes, should you as a fanbase continue to consume his music, when you know that the power he gains from it worsens his manic episodes? Do you not care about your favourite artist? Or am i asking for too much when i want Kanye Fans to have a consiousness
Se tenía que decir, y se dijo. Bravo.
Lmao these videos are just going to keep coming 🤣 “why can’t we keep politics out of the reviews of music”
since when has politics not been a part of music?
@@persuasivebarrier2419 no I’m joking saying, that Kanye fans are going to keep pushing the goalpost and fantano is going to keep making videos about it.
@@persuasivebarrier2419 it sucks when you have to explain jokes 🤣🤣
@@Loki_Leftist i got you. misinterpreted.
@@persuasivebarrier2419No problem 💯
Well… the music isn’t good. It hasn’t been since 2018.
Donda had bloat but it was still a great album with many highlights
Hurricane? God Is? Off the Grid? Back to Me? COME TO LIFE?!??!
@@beastofbeefNo.
@@buckleygeneration are you a Kanye hater or what? Cuz yeah he hasn’t been as good as before but he hasn’t been THAT bad.
Come to life and jesus lord are better than 99 percent of any new stuff since 2018, so yeah go on.
We have to take into consideration that kanye is mentally ill and I know it's not an excuse for all the unhinged shit he's been saying but I think it plays a big role in what's happening to him.
He clearly needs help and no one can confront him with that
it's really sad and I just hope he's going to be fine because he's still my favorite artist
This dude is just talkin head on YT lmfao
And even if we could seperate the art from the artist i think we should definitely care about them promoting harmful ideas
Listen melon, I hear you, I hear you, I really do, that natzi stuff, bad, holocaust, booooooo, buuuuut, he made graduation.
if the only way you can enjoy art is to separate it from its artist, then the art is inferior. “separate the art from the artist” is a tool for analyzing some art (not all). it’s not possible to do with every piece of art since some artists make themselves or what they believe to be a core part of their art. it’s not a pair of rosy glasses you can put on at any point to help you activate some sort of cognitive dissonance/mental gymnastics to be the only possible way for you to enjoy a piece of art.
you kinda have to fake dementia and enjoy the sounds being played
Music is art in and of itself. It has been and will always be a sonic form of art and entertainment. I'll digest what I can, but I don't go out of my way to read the lyrics word for word. Paying attention to something other than the work itself inherently takes away from the experience.
As a Kanye fan, this is EXACTLY how he wants y’all to react. If you hate him and his fans so much, just don’t give them attention, that’s it. He’s created shock value that you guys fall hook line and sinker for every time. Obviously I disagree with a ton of things he says, and for me, I can separate the art from the artist easier than others can, and I’m fine that others can’t. But if you keep reacting like this, it’s gonna be the same pattern over and over again cuz ik that his fans are always relentless.
@@TheBardPlays I was fine with him addressing it initially but now he keeps addressing it cuz of his fans going after him. What I’m saying is that no matter how many videos he makes, Kanye fans are still gonna do the same thing, and I don’t want him to keep making these videos because it’s not gonna do anything.
Separate the artist from the art only works when the art is non problematic vultures clearly is problematic
Your right Fantano, I dont seperate the art, I listen to kanye for him and the song.
Dude if ur gonna act like you don't care then just stop talking about it
I can separate Kanye's views from his art in the same way I can separate Anthony's horrendous views from his videos. They're really not so different after all
Exactly. Fantano saying the political right has never positively contributed to society is incredibly cruel even if ur on the left
@@PSYCHO_THUG LMAOAOAO "Incredibly cruel" you people are so sensitive
@@PSYCHO_THUGThe political right is mostly bigotry hidden under a thin veil, so he’s right.
@@PSYCHO_THUGThen name what they contributed
@@christinabutterfield1801 if a politically right person works to help at like a homeless shelter is he contributing to society or is he not just cause u disagree with them politically?
This isn’t a good point simply because there is a multitude of artists music that we filter out major concepts and lyrics from. The glorification of murder and drugs? Any Eminem song narrative of the 2000s? Shit artists talking about dark magic blatantly. This isn’t a new thing, but I also don’t support Kanye.
It isn't a new thing nor was it ever a good thing, and honestly it proves his point even more.
I'm someone who never listened to music for the lyrical meaning, I treat the voice like simply another instrument. If you think that's crazy or don't believe me, that's fine. There's a reason my favourite type of music (extreme metal) can have incomprehensible vocals though. I am not gonna abstain from listening to vultures even though Kanye is insane now, but I do not expect to enjoy it anyways. I think it will be bad.
Im just not offended. If it slaps it slaps.
How many videos is mr divorced lonely man gonna make about Kanye 😂 He sure talks about him alot when e says he doesnt like him
Nah this like a twitter thread at this point 😭 fantano stop
What about Kanye that upsets fantano so much? Seems personal but I’m new to the channel
There is a lot of kanye song 1:33 that has no hate against Jews. Mellon gotta stop milking this story
L take
Oh he has songs that aren't antisemitic so that means the antisemitism is ok let it go?? Tf are you on about
Yeah okay its still hard ill just ignore that shit its not that deep bro
In this situation You can’t separate the art from the artist . Because Kanye is his art. Always has been. And it’s up to you how that makes you feel
Ye did nothing wrong
Kanye's insane bigoted politics don't affect society significantly. People don't really stop listening to artists because of their politics, especially if it doesn't show up in most of the discography. For better or for worse, I doubt it'll be different for his new album if he refrains from infecting the lyrics with explicit n@zi content
What it's wrong about what Kanye said?
I can't with this guy
yeah i cant with kanye either he sucks
Im jewish and idgaf, the music is hard