i was at boston calling yesterday and it was awkward as hell. they just stayed silent thru all his verses and hardly anyone sung his lyrics. watching some of them literally cry thru bleach was painful. this situation just sucks.
I’ve never heard of them until I went to Blurry Vision festival last year, right before he was kicked out. It’s still crazy that the first time I saw them live was the last time they were all together
Sorta... Reluctantly yah, i sorta agree. Intended on defending group/disagreeing with you in msg but... fuck it. Still a fan, but hard to envision scenario where Ameer's exit is positive, & doesn't detract from quality of music. Sub out: Ameer's fist fight & drug bars / Sub in: More of Kev's ass to mouth excursions... Go team :/
Ya think these dudes just read allegations on Twitter about their friend and then kicked him out? Nah son. They dug and found shit. That's how it works
Thank you very much. I find it really disheartening that people are willing to just toss aside the allegations like they didn't mean anything. I'm not saying he did or didn't, I am not saying that keeping him would have been the wrong decision, but it's not something to take lightly , and it is time that artists are held accountable for their behavior instead of getting a pass.
What you know is that the group was friends with Ameer (many pre-Brockhampton) and then they found some shit out that led them to make a tough choice. Your lack of information shouldn't provide any base for you to assert that it was unnecessary
yeah it was a real downer, I'm glad the still did the performance though they tried their best in a tough situation and they did a good job. Also the circle pit during SISTER was pretty rad.
I heard about it, and I'm not surprised. It's sad because I remember watching them perform in San Antonio back in January, and they brought some of the most amazing energy I've ever seen onstage. I would have broken down as well if I were at Boston.
PinguThePenguin excellent point - but I’m still in shock they decided to discard such a pivotal member of the group; we all know we fucking loved rapping along with Ameer in the car.. I guess it had to be done,?
Sad because if this spells bad news for their future as a group, saturation will be their big punctuation, yet it was supposed to get their name out there and kick off the rest of their success...
I don’t think it marks the end of brockhampton all together. I think it just marks the end of saturation era brockhampton. But I do agree that it might shorten their life expectancy a bit
Yakka Brockhampton will never top the Saturation’s. It’s the Illmatic effect. Once artists become famous and comfortable, an irreplaceable piece of that passion and creativity disappears and never returns. You can see it with practically every hip hop act in history.
I saw them perform yesterday at Boston Calling without Ameer. All the songs they performed still had the open instrumental for Ameer’s verses and everytime Ameer was supposed to be doing his verse everyone on stage would kind of be quiet and just kinda say random things like “how you doing bostooooonnnn” etc. Joba, Dom, and Kevin started crying and hugging each other on stage during Bleach when Ameer should have been rapping but it was just the instrumental playing without his vocals. It was pretty sad :(
Blastmaster KRS-One Yes because losing one of your best friends even though he did some messed up shit is always easy. Let them be themselves man. Why you gotta bring that negative attitude around here? Were you just born angry at the world?
i'm proud of brockhampton. from the start they've built this image of being a pretty progressive rap group, and this is just a reflection of them not standing for this type of shit - even from their own members.
BEEFISBURGERS How do you know this? Are you in Brockhampton? Have you had personal conversation with them about this? Were you there with Ameer every day and know for sure he "didn't even do anything"?
imo their decision to kick him out says enough about the validity of the accusations and the severity of his actions. it's obvious that we, the general public, know only a fraction of the actual situation so why some people are acting like they know better than brockhampton, who undoubtedly know way more than we do at this point, is beyond me.
Griffin exactly. and on kevin’s livestream he mentioned that he felt bad because he “should’ve said something.” which implies that he knew. the victims that spoke out also said that other members knew about it but didn’t do anything.
in the age of sjw snowflakes it says enough only about the loyalty of brockhampton members to each other. He didn't kill anybody or shit like that. Mental abuse can be literally calling chick a "bitch". And from all those evidences(I mean chicks' stupid DMs of course), I understood that he was kinda overprotective and pushy. And about his relations with minor: he was 18 and she was 17; they were having the same english class at school lmao. it wasn't like michael jackson/kevin spacey type of shit
I feel like the "relationship with a minor" thing is misleading. From what I gather he was 17/18, she was 15/16, doesn't justify his other alleged behavior, but many high school teens are dating people 2-3 years older than them. If we find out there are others who are even younger that's when I'd think it'd be appropriate to call him out for it. Get him for the abuse stuff, not for being a highschooler dating another slightly younger highschooler.
When taking into consideration the Romeo and Juliet laws and the age of consent in Texas, there’s nothing wrong with what he did at all aside from the fact that he cheated
She was 17 and he was 19. I agree, I don't think that part is the issue. Its the fact that he's had multiple allegations of emotional abuse and some of physical and sexual abuse. Totally justified that he was kicked.
To be fair, Ameer totally hinted at stuff like this... "And there's a couple women, and they know some things About lies that I done told and shit that I done said..."
The thing is a ton of artists talk about illegal and immoral things. But because its music, theres no way of knowing whats true or not and that type of thing.
People aren't getting that BH made it their mission statement to present masculinity in a non-toxic way. Keeping Ameer in the group, especially with verses like Matt's on JUNKY, would have made that image redundant. I don't think they caved to pressure from fans, it was their decision to make and obviously it was more than just the allegations. No one should be attacking BH or the victims right now - especially the latter. I s2g some BH fanboys are acting exactly like the dudes Matt raps about on JUNKY, ironically.
"We were lied to" feels especially heavy to me. That sounds like new evidence for one of the more serious accusations. In any case, Kevin and Ameer were best friends since 14 so they had to have been really really sure Ameer was guilty.
Yes. People like to claim what happened or what did not happen. But at the end of the day, the group knows it better than us and when they said they were lied to, there's something bigger here that we do not know. We have to respect & trust the team's decision.
I doubt it. Obviously the Ameer scandal really shook them, but I don't think it's enough for the band to fully break up. A hiatus would more likely happen.
"Yeah I polluted my community with drugs to make sure me and my family survive." DAM THIS GO HARD "I cheated on my girlfriend and told her she wasn't special." DAM UR CANCELED BRO WTF
Not trying to say what ur saying doesn’t have a good point, but I think it’s obvious that none of us watching this have the full picture of what’s happening. Brockhampton likely know more about the situation and made a decision based on that. Melon’s video did a good job of laying it out.
Im upset about it, but to me, by no means does this mean the end of Brockhampton. Yes he may have had great verses on the biggest songs but the production and ideas will likely still be there. I doubt they will top the saturation trilogy but they certainly still have the talent to.
I'm extremely sad because ameer was one of my favorite members, but just because i liked and support him as a artist doesn't mean i should like his actions. I don't want to discredit the victims or jumps to conclusions about if he was wrong or now, however it looks like brockhampton did some research and figured it out that maybe they aren't just accusations. with that being said, i really hope that ameer gets the help he needs, and the victims too, if they need it. ameer is a person, and we shouldn't bash him, but we also shouldn't victim blame. and for all the jerks on twitter saying "see what you guys fucking did" bc he's now out of the band, please stop, like i said, there has to be some merit to the accusations. they wouldn't kick him out just because twitter stans were calling for it. they would need some truth in order to do it. please don't give up on our boys. let them grow.
This doesn’t make sense. Why even criticize a member for previous emotional abuse if you aren’t going to support their transformation into a better citizen? Obviously he was remorseful and clearly confessed to all his wrongs in his lyrics, what’s the point of only making his life worse when it won’t even help change him? It’s just ruining a career without sufficient evidence, but more importantly, discouraging any change that he attempted to make.
Missing In Action the emotional abuse could've been towards brockhampton as well, but they are saying this is because of his actions, as if they're referring to the things he was accused for.
Tyler rapped about bad shit but he's never been accused of seriously doing anything like that. Saying this is acting like the only evidence against Ameer is that he rapped bad shit
I want to live in a world where treating women poorly has consequences. I'm proud of the group. Listening to Matt Champion's verse on Junky would feel pretty weak if I knew that the group would look the other way when one of their own mistreated women. Inclusion, respect and acceptance has always been a big theme for Brockhampton, so I'm happy to see it wasn't just empty words.
It does have consequences. You don't have to kill someone's livelihood and project for there to be any consequences. It sounds like he is in therapy and he's suffered a lot of negative publicity and attacks. Those are consequences, and they're already more than commensurate with being a shitty boyfriend. Granted we don't know the full story, so let's see if that holds.
I don't think Brockhampton wanted to kick Ameer out. Their hand was probably forced by RCA (which they just signed to) and the current Outrage Culture that's all over social media.
What the fuck even is "emotional abuse"? I'm sure there are a lot of artists out there who have "emotionally abused" people and acted like pricks but we still appreciate their work.
I personally don't want to count the minor allegations as how Ameer used to live in texas where the age of consent is 17. He states in his tweet when apologizing "Throughout the past 3 years I've been working hard to reflect on myself and seek out help." And hes 21 now (soon to be 22) Which means he was 18/19. Which to me was a time for him to START maturing, he only started reaching that age. As for the Emotional and Sexual Abuse, he has talked about how he has done wrong in songs, as a bh fan, its not news that he was deceiving as a boyfriend.
What I hate about the Stans are how they just assumed the allegations to be true. All she did was tweet out a story about this and that. Everyone believed it and the pressure came onto BH. I know Ameer has talked about dealing with emotionally abusing his ex in songs before and even seeking help. But no one will obviously give Ameer a chance to prove that he has changed.
It would help if there was actual proof or evidence to ameer even treating her wrong, in my opinion. It would be alot more believable if there was photos or something. But it's just really hard to believe that there isnt even a court case being filed against him. Instead the girl took it to twitter because she knows the BH stans are just going to attack because they like to grab on to any information (wrong or right) because they got nothing better to do.
Just remember folks, this is the move that they're making to save their careers. Especially when they just got signed to RCA. RCA probably had much more to do with making the decision than the actual members did. So we're getting Brockhampton without Ameer or no Brockhampton at all. It is what it is man, hopefully they can still make more hits in the future!
HomeBoy Advance I think it’s the opposite I find it super disloyal and think it’s gonna hurt then just as bad if not worse than keeping him in the group
I’m so sad... Ameer was one of my favorite members, i was shocked when i heard the allegations, so disappointed. Nevertheless i think their decision was the best one they could’ve made.
Wait, you're telling the guy who raps about robbing people, selling drugs and having a troubled past has character flaws? Shocker. Brockhampton is soft af for doing this...
you do realize there's probaly a lot we don't know about the subject lmao I'm guessing the "he lied" to us thing and whatever he lied about is more of a turning point to this decision
Lmao true selling drugs in my country could get you a death sentence. People got no problem with those cuz they have been desensitized by the media. People tend to cherrypicks. Their moral just following trends
Benn Leyland What abuse? From what I've read so far he hasn't sexually assaulted or physically abused anyone. He was just a manipulative asshole and that's not really abuse if you ask me, but there's still so much we don't know about this situation.
ess fuck you dude you don’t know what he has been thought or what he is doing to try to get help. I know that what he did is bad but look at what you are saying
If you got a problem with me, try some other guy I let you know I'm a dog, I ate the cat alive But really though, I'm alone cause I don't stick around And yes, I know it's my fault, so put your finger down - [Verse 4: Ameer Vann]
Im calling it. The members knew and didn't want to kick him out, especially considering the lyrics Ameer put on his songs, but RCA, the label that represents CHRIS BROWN AND R. KELLY, forced them to let him go. Ameer has been getting help, even going to Bible study for over a year, apologized to the victims, and consistently talked about his poor treatment of loved ones. I hope the victims are doing ok, but these actions allegedly happened 3 years ago, when Ameer was still a teen. Also, why are they ok with coming out about this abuse now, when Brockhampton is doing the best they ever have, but not when they were complete nobodies with no fanbase 3 years ago?
ok that there is less variety is fair. that is fair. But there might be a new member. they might branch out. they might adapt. well see. But they had to kick him. They said that new stuff came out. it has to be bad, like worse than what has come out. (and some of that is pretty bad). Its a shame, i like his verse on teeth but hey what can you do. the group is consistent
It's a difficult situation because so much of society is 0 or 100. Brockhampton's only possible move was to ignore the allegations or kick Ameer out. In this current age, we lack nuance or grey area, so there wasn't a way the group could really "punish" him besides kicking him out which I find unfortunate.
There are still legal actions to be taken... But allegations will remain allegations, if the group found something and decided to kick him instead of legal actions thats their choice too
SpaceAgeDavey Lol this isn't the end of Brockhampton cuz Ameer got kicked out. And he didn't get kicked out for petty bullshit. He was an abuser to girls he dated in the past. Ameer was a very big pert of the group, but he wasn't the group itself. Kevin is still the leader of the group, and we still have artists in that group who are extremely talented. Not to mention Brockhamptom could find someone to replace Ameer if they really reallh wanted go.
He was my favorite member and the one who kept my interest in Saturation 1. Unless there is something we don’t know yet then I don’t see why he can’t be forgiven. He seems to have put the past behind him and was at least going in the right direction. By how a lot of fans have reacted to this whole ordeal scares me. It’s like your past will always define you no matter if you’ve been reformed. Obviously he deserves scrutiny for what he did but not having his career ruined. Things aren’t always black and white.
That's 2018 bro. Court of public opinion, especially on Twitter, is out of control and they don't give a fuck because they will never be held responsible for ruining someone. And if you actually stand up for someone and suggest we maybe figure everything out and deal with it in an appropriate and measured way, you now support the stupid shit they were doing.
LewieBot couldn’t have said it any better myself. I really hope society starts to shift away from this witch hunting, especially if the person is trying to improve themselves. All this does is discourage people from admitting to their wrong doings and trying to learn from them and become better people.
marissa Yeah tbh, just like anything else... Similar to murder, if ALL murders were exactly the same then why don't all murderers get 25 to life? Yeah what they did was bad, but there's a reason for everything, and some things should be forgiven under certain circumstances. So yes, there should be a grey area, but that definitely doesn't mean that abuse is okay, just that it CAN be forgiven.
to everyone saying that ameer was weak anyway and that he used the same flow that got stale after a while, i think y'all are just hating at this point. I agree that his bars were starting to get pretty damn old after a bit but he was the only one in the group that had the gritty hip hop vibe to him. Having that sort of presence amongst everyone else's quirky styles was such a great mixture because it brought a sense of familiarity in the music while blending it with newer/different styles. I also think that Ameer had the highest ceiling of everyone, being that once he started to become more sophisticated in his rhyming it would be a wrap. He already has the voice and the attitude just needed to bring his rhymes to that next level and he would have easily been the best member of the group. He was definitely one of the most entertaining/one of the best already..sad to see this happen but he brought it on himself. And if the group is saying that they were lied to by him then there must be glaring evidence for them to have to kick him out so i don't blame them for the decision. However, I definitely think that BH will never be on the same level now since they have lost such a vital part to their group, time will tell though.
everyone is talking about ameer being disgusting or being innocent, the man literally said in an unreleased verse he was gonna kill himself. can you imagine what this is doing to him? i fully expect him to be gone by next week if not sooner. i don't want it to happen but what else is left for him? he's seen as a monster now no matter the legitimacy of the allegations. edit: i don't stand behind abusive characters, but i stand behind humanity. ameer very obviously regrets his decisions and apparently has been getting help for over a year. if that isn't a sign of someone who cares i don't know what is.
Dude for real. He fucking MADE the group, and you could tell how therapeutic getting his demons out thru rap was for him. I don't know the full extent of his wrongdoings, but goddamnit, this seems like such a hasty decision. And being an asshole boyfriend in the past (judging by what's been presented so far by all parties) isn't grounds for expulsion from the group. I'm genuinely bummed out man
I would say it's morally justified to keep Ameer's verses on the new record (if Ameer allows it--that's another question). I hope Brockhampton doesn't go overboard with the situation by cutting his contributions. Purchasing the new record would not support Ameer after all.
It’s such bullshit how his career is ending over this. There’s so many celebrities that have done much worse and got away with it. The only thing he’s guilty of is being an asshole, which he’s always addressed in his lyrics. He deserves a chance to redeem himself and I can’t believe his friends didn’t have his back on this. Brockhampton will never be the same again.
I'm honestly worried about how this will affect Puppy as an album and how they will perform hit songs from the Saturation trilogy that have Ameer's verses on them in their live performances. With that being said I do think that this was the right choice but an unfortunate situation altogether.
Of all the members, it's the one whose face is all over 3 of their albums, Oof
Dolan Dark delete all 3 albums then
oh ouch
Big oof
Colossaliscrazy is the new member
duck i prefer chicken
Captain Obvious You know these album means something to fans and brockhampton themself, think before you write stupid shit
Wow I was really triggered
Damn, that only leaves BROCKHAMPTON with 44 members 😢
John Fee Yeah I thought this group was all about diversity and then they kick the only abusive member out im done with brockhampton smh 😤
John Fee the crowd is thinning
Yeet my son, please lmao
omg
Kek
With him gone, the Saturation II album cover might as well be just a mere van...
Shut
Robin Could why does this only have 8 likes
Robin Could should be the next member of Brockhampton
Just gave the most reluctant upvote of my life
this is the best pun in the existence of puns
Melon can finally be in Brockhampton.
Melon's been in Brockhampton all along
There's a starman waiting in the sky yes starman
Cal should
I prefer Cal
Thank you for making me laugh
Shithony hit the fantano
^most underrated comment on this video rfknlol
The question is if shithony hit the fantano is u still a fantano?
Daoud Salman lmao nice
arnav datta I'm crying!
Daoud Salman ayyyy kdot
i was at boston calling yesterday and it was awkward as hell. they just stayed silent thru all his verses and hardly anyone sung his lyrics. watching some of them literally cry thru bleach was painful. this situation just sucks.
kanyeblessed i saw a video of joba crying during bleach:/ that’s rough
I’ve never heard of them until I went to Blurry Vision festival last year, right before he was kicked out. It’s still crazy that the first time I saw them live was the last time they were all together
@@bennyamogo4999 one day you'll grow up
@@FELCommentary I'm 42 years old nigga I ain't even married no bitch can tie me down fr fr SLATT
Kid Lucci choke on your bullshit dumbass
Homeboy really did feel "just like Zayn"
too soon
Secret Abuser Cody Banks
W
Zach Laita LMAOOO TOO SOON MAN
Holy shit
HES LITERALLY ON THE COVER OF EVERYONE OF THEIR DAMN ALBUMS
Zach Haynberg lmfao FeelsBadMan
wow didnt even think of that lmao
They will soon resell them differently. I feel like its common sense
On the cover he IS the cover lmao
Zach Haynberg big L’s all-around
He’s got a record but he’s NOT clean as they come.
Godzilla when they see me they run
Not sure that's the meaning of clean that he intended.
He should have listened to Matt's verse on junky
Sharif AlSaad HAHAHAHAAH
he's godzilla, when underage girls see him they run
Rip black tom hanks
quarter pound of the dank
On the scale and it stank
Throwin' mama in a range
Huss Moosawi I just bought a new rafe
-beats women-
*BROKEN HAMPTON* 😢
Sorta... Reluctantly yah, i sorta agree. Intended on defending group/disagreeing with you in msg but... fuck it. Still a fan, but hard to envision scenario where Ameer's exit is positive, & doesn't detract from quality of music.
Sub out: Ameer's fist fight & drug bars / Sub in: More of Kev's ass to mouth excursions... Go team :/
And if you have a problem with Kevin rapping about being gay, have you listened to his part on JUNKY?
Yeah, who the fuck are Dom McLennon and Merlyn Wood amirite
Ya think these dudes just read allegations on Twitter about their friend and then kicked him out? Nah son. They dug and found shit. That's how it works
Thank you very much. I find it really disheartening that people are willing to just toss aside the allegations like they didn't mean anything. I'm not saying he did or didn't, I am not saying that keeping him would have been the wrong decision, but it's not something to take lightly , and it is time that artists are held accountable for their behavior instead of getting a pass.
its been less than a day dude, it might come out eventually or it might not, we dont have any rights to see it
eartianwerewolf agreed very much
Vince Costello in this case going by what you know is called coming to an uninformed conclusion.
What you know is that the group was friends with Ameer (many pre-Brockhampton) and then they found some shit out that led them to make a tough choice. Your lack of information shouldn't provide any base for you to assert that it was unnecessary
i can see the pain in your eyes, melon
Melon looks beat down and defeated. RIP his favorite boy band.
i was at boston calling yesterday, it was super sad to see them cry and not be able to perform their songs well
yeah it was a real downer, I'm glad the still did the performance though they tried their best in a tough situation and they did a good job. Also the circle pit during SISTER was pretty rad.
Sam Hg you can find a lot of it on reddit.com/r/brockhampton
I heard about it, and I'm not surprised. It's sad because I remember watching them perform in San Antonio back in January, and they brought some of the most amazing energy I've ever seen onstage. I would have broken down as well if I were at Boston.
Tommy Davis same I was there as well it really sucks for them
So a fanbase that considers them particularly "progressive" is not taking sexual abuse seriously? This just shows how biases come into play
i honestly didn't expect that
Santi Barrios bit of a piss take but that’s what you get if you do them things
BH just started takin off on a multimillion deal. They're not letting one member slow every one down
PinguThePenguin they were friends too, even before the group which is just mesmerizing
PinguThePenguin excellent point - but I’m still in shock they decided to discard such a pivotal member of the group; we all know we fucking loved rapping along with Ameer in the car.. I guess it had to be done,?
The first 20 seconds of "Milk" are SO potent now :O
Im pretty sure Ameer just woke up in Chris Browns body
Zach Laita omfg😂😂
LMFAO
Freaky Friday
Lmfao
my soul was just launched out of my body
Sad because if this spells bad news for their future as a group, saturation will be their big punctuation, yet it was supposed to get their name out there and kick off the rest of their success...
Not to mention Ameer being on the cover for all three. Talk about irony.
I don’t think it marks the end of brockhampton all together. I think it just marks the end of saturation era brockhampton. But I do agree that it might shorten their life expectancy a bit
Swear there's just a curse on breakout hip hop groups/collectives in general
genshoisdripped the curse of a record deal
Yakka Brockhampton will never top the Saturation’s. It’s the Illmatic effect. Once artists become famous and comfortable, an irreplaceable piece of that passion and creativity disappears and never returns. You can see it with practically every hip hop act in history.
I saw them perform yesterday at Boston Calling without Ameer. All the songs they performed still had the open instrumental for Ameer’s verses and everytime Ameer was supposed to be doing his verse everyone on stage would kind of be quiet and just kinda say random things like “how you doing bostooooonnnn” etc. Joba, Dom, and Kevin started crying and hugging each other on stage during Bleach when Ameer should have been rapping but it was just the instrumental playing without his vocals. It was pretty sad :(
Lol thats hilarious
GLO BOY How is emotion corny. Stfu man
i was there too, it really was soo sad. I feel so bad for them it must be so hard
Blastmaster KRS-One Yes because losing one of your best friends even though he did some messed up shit is always easy. Let them be themselves man. Why you gotta bring that negative attitude around here? Were you just born angry at the world?
Brett Monarch yup
“Ameeriad of things”
1:21
i'm proud of brockhampton.
from the start they've built this image of being a pretty progressive rap group, and this is just a reflection of them not standing for this type of shit - even from their own members.
FG do you think Ameer would ever come back tho
Shit whaddup FG??
FG this is very heavy and sad but it increases my respect for the group and I’m proud of them for doing the right thing
Except Ameer didn’t even do anything
BEEFISBURGERS How do you know this? Are you in Brockhampton? Have you had personal conversation with them about this? Were you there with Ameer every day and know for sure he "didn't even do anything"?
SOLUTION: Bring Don Cheadle into the group and grow out his moustache and rap about saving the environment.
LMAOOO
WeirdElf I feel an addition of Marky Mark would help grow them more
WeirdElf 😂
“I FEEL JUST LIKE ZAYN” HE PREDICTED THIS
noah v bro
imo their decision to kick him out says enough about the validity of the accusations and the severity of his actions. it's obvious that we, the general public, know only a fraction of the actual situation so why some people are acting like they know better than brockhampton, who undoubtedly know way more than we do at this point, is beyond me.
Exactly.
Griffin !!!
Agreed!!
Griffin exactly. and on kevin’s livestream he mentioned that he felt bad because he “should’ve said something.” which implies that he knew. the victims that spoke out also said that other members knew about it but didn’t do anything.
in the age of sjw snowflakes it says enough only about the loyalty of brockhampton members to each other. He didn't kill anybody or shit like that. Mental abuse can be literally calling chick a "bitch". And from all those evidences(I mean chicks' stupid DMs of course), I understood that he was kinda overprotective and pushy. And about his relations with minor: he was 18 and she was 17; they were having the same english class at school lmao. it wasn't like michael jackson/kevin spacey type of shit
Insert Matt Champion's verse on JUNKY here.
Oblivious Reviews bruh ik that verse has a whole new meaning now
Ameer should’ve hang out with Matt more.
Imagine ameer’s face when Matt was recording the verse bahahah
Ebbtide42 All of Ameer’s lyrics also got a whole new meaning
GewoonRood “if she suckin on the barrell, you cant hear her scream”
Who done called the cops on my Vann
That's the first one to go 😣
The first shot I blow 😭
I feel like the "relationship with a minor" thing is misleading. From what I gather he was 17/18, she was 15/16, doesn't justify his other alleged behavior, but many high school teens are dating people 2-3 years older than them. If we find out there are others who are even younger that's when I'd think it'd be appropriate to call him out for it. Get him for the abuse stuff, not for being a highschooler dating another slightly younger highschooler.
When taking into consideration the Romeo and Juliet laws and the age of consent in Texas, there’s nothing wrong with what he did at all aside from the fact that he cheated
She was 17 and he was 19. I agree, I don't think that part is the issue. Its the fact that he's had multiple allegations of emotional abuse and some of physical and sexual abuse. Totally justified that he was kicked.
exactly! he's 21, and the "Relationship with a minor" was in 2015, so he would've been 17/18
So if he was 18 and she was 15... that's pretty bad no? But idk the deets
I can re-call about 50 girls in my year alone who slept with guys aged 18 when they were around 15,
The day I was going to see them in concert...
J Roes Soundset, I’m still going tho can’t miss Tyler
Same man😔
Add me on snap we should kick it at Soundset @finninabin
TheQuiltedNorthern ay bet
oof
RIP Drug references
Hypr, the Official Therapist WHAT DRUG REFERENCE HUH?
To be fair, Ameer totally hinted at stuff like this...
"And there's a couple women, and they know some things
About lies that I done told and shit that I done said..."
Damn
The thing is a ton of artists talk about illegal and immoral things. But because its music, theres no way of knowing whats true or not and that type of thing.
But she never want to listen
Beat the pussy to submission
-Ameer Vann
‘Women know I have told lies’ is not equal to ‘I abused women’ lmao
Lol from milk
They finally cleared room for a Melon
"I've got a record but I'm clean as they come" 😬
oooooooof
Uh oh
Big 00fs
This juice hurt my bones
Lmao why you do black Tom Hanks like that 😤
People aren't getting that BH made it their mission statement to present masculinity in a non-toxic way. Keeping Ameer in the group, especially with verses like Matt's on JUNKY, would have made that image redundant.
I don't think they caved to pressure from fans, it was their decision to make and obviously it was more than just the allegations. No one should be attacking BH or the victims right now - especially the latter. I s2g some BH fanboys are acting exactly like the dudes Matt raps about on JUNKY, ironically.
Matthew Forbes Top comment, my faith in this community is slightly restored.
GLO BOY Thank you
Croshawable ❤❤❤
I don't think redundant is the word you were looking for
maybe not redundant but more of hypocritical, keeping him on the team is him going against BHs beliefs so theres that
I'm crying in the club rn
Sketchy Pencil artsy
I like your Mark Foster profile picture
Vincent M lmfaooo
Hereby Hereby edgy.
Vincent M do I? I subscribe to everyone I watch even if I don't like them
I feel just like Zayn
I saw them yesterday at Boston Calling and Ameer wasn't there. It was super awkward, they just stood around when his verses played
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
This is running on empty, abuse review.
Ameer might be out, but Cal is in!!
SpaceAgeDavey cal?
SpaceAgeDavey nvm
I just imagined heat's first verse but with cal
Nothing Really 🎼I gOt PiPe DrEaMs AnD cRaCk RoCkS aNd StRiPpEr PoLeS🎼
Who's cal
The bigger problem here is that you're not using night mode
Protecc the eyes
Am I the only one who hates night mode
@@Brandon-me2qr yes
"We were lied to" feels especially heavy to me. That sounds like new evidence for one of the more serious accusations. In any case, Kevin and Ameer were best friends since 14 so they had to have been really really sure Ameer was guilty.
Yes. People like to claim what happened or what did not happen. But at the end of the day, the group knows it better than us and when they said they were lied to, there's something bigger here that we do not know. We have to respect & trust the team's decision.
Or he just didn’t tell them straight up about his past
I guess Sat 3 was their last studio album...
Ellis Collingborn oh shit they predicted their own future
SPOOKY
Ellis Collingborn LOL
I doubt it. Obviously the Ameer scandal really shook them, but I don't think it's enough for the band to fully break up. A hiatus would more likely happen.
Peter Cahill I doubt even a hiatus... a hiatus is an indefinite breakup so I doubt even that
"a myriad of things" "a myriad" ameer-iad. KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS
I'm so glad I'm not the only one to think that
Melon dying inside
"Yeah I polluted my community with drugs to make sure me and my family survive."
DAM THIS GO HARD
"I cheated on my girlfriend and told her she wasn't special."
DAM UR CANCELED BRO WTF
The Young Library Trapper lmao this is perfect, isn’t it such a weird hyper sensitive time we’re living in?
twitter hoes are wild
Not trying to say what ur saying doesn’t have a good point, but I think it’s obvious that none of us watching this have the full picture of what’s happening. Brockhampton likely know more about the situation and made a decision based on that. Melon’s video did a good job of laying it out.
He's also accused of having relations with underage girls
Dr Funkenstein wtf how is that underage?
Who’s here after listening to Dearly Departed 👀👀👀
Denzel Wilksch hahahahahaha
Fuck you
Alex fuck you
@@abenflores7667 fuck you
Alex fuck you
NOW AMEER WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO REPEAT THE SAME THINGS
RIP 2015 - 2018
brockhampton "I never write a verse and repeat the same thangs" - Ameer Vann
Ameer "I learned that I was different" Vann
"Then i turned into an asshole" - vann
"I sexually identify as a dolphin" ameer vann
Ameer "I'm a black man" Vann
Ameerthany Vantano
danny johanssen too soon
Ameerthany Gonetano
Does anyone remember when Ameer Vaan use to be in Brockhampton?
Jordan Barfield only 90's kids remember Ameer
Who is that?
im dead omg
Cam Knopp Anthony Fantano's African-American cousin
i remember
I know this is serious, but is Melon still in the band?
austinegy kicked out cause of melon abuse
PID he abused melons
Inner City Dispute i know this is hard for us, but it is the truth that he is a melon abuser
So are they gonna perform old songs anymore? Most of them have Ameer on them...
they performed a show recently, ameer wasn't there, they skipped his verses, joba and dom cried, it was pretty sad all round
ameer is even on the cover of all three saturations, right? damn that's wack
Harvey Jones joba and kevin*
Harvey Jones damm, that's depression
BP Steve Jobs was fired from Apple
Yiu can tell Anthony was crying before he recorded this video
“I feel just like Zayn”
Sir Charles Barkley We should probably look into Zayn for abuse.
The first 20 seconds of "Milk" are SO potent now :O
Im upset about it, but to me, by no means does this mean the end of Brockhampton. Yes he may have had great verses on the biggest songs but the production and ideas will likely still be there. I doubt they will top the saturation trilogy but they certainly still have the talent to.
tom smith brockhampton certainly won’t end, it just won’t feel the same
I'm extremely sad because ameer was one of my favorite members, but just because i liked and support him as a artist doesn't mean i should like his actions. I don't want to discredit the victims or jumps to conclusions about if he was wrong or now, however it looks like brockhampton did some research and figured it out that maybe they aren't just accusations. with that being said, i really hope that ameer gets the help he needs, and the victims too, if they need it. ameer is a person, and we shouldn't bash him, but we also shouldn't victim blame. and for all the jerks on twitter saying "see what you guys fucking did" bc he's now out of the band, please stop, like i said, there has to be some merit to the accusations. they wouldn't kick him out just because twitter stans were calling for it. they would need some truth in order to do it.
please don't give up on our boys. let them grow.
Lauren MacWhinney hopefully this flop “rap” group becomes irrelevant thanks to Ameer 😂🖕🏽
preach
@@tomieloot7585 go fuck yourself
@@tomieloot7585 did your parents not love you enough ?
Shawn Mendes for the replacement
i wouldn't mine tbh. that boy lushhh.
i don't fuck with no white boys
tbh I would sub in Ansel Elgort
Faith he doesn't need to rap, not everyone in Brockhampton raps
I’m deeply saddened by this news
Marcus Moody headass
+D MfC
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I thought you were Tay K for a sec
Brockhampton isn’t over because one person is gone everyone needs to chill
tanner ricky that’s what they said about one direction lol
Maybe not but he was their best member, easily.
well they all have something to bring to the table so : /
Yeah their newest album suck ass don’t believe me? Watch fantano review
From i year in the future after hearing ginger and Emmanuel I can say it does matter
Shit man I had tickets for June 8th... But I understand
Juan Luna do you get a refund?
I almost bought tickets for June 4th. Even almost had a buddy fly to Richmond to see them with me. Now I'm glad we didn't go thru with it.
Brianna Garcia The venue hasn't emailed me yet but I hope they do. I'm in college, $40 is a lot for me lol
I was almost gonna get tickets to lollapalooza just for them(and a few other artists) good thing i didnt
I was supposed to see them August 1st. Really dissapointed but I understand their reasoning.
WHO IS GUNNA B THE BLACK TOM HANKS ANYMORE
Laith Zalatimo watch Tom Hanks get accused of sexual misconduct later lmao
Now he's the black Chris Brown.
Laith Zalatimo Tom hanks in black face will be the black Tom hanks. TROPIC THUNDER: the brockhampton story coming to theaters this fall
Joba
before signing
Happy
Gay
Ameer
3 albums in 1 yr
Rca. signing
Sad
no album
Lesbian
no ameer
This doesn’t make sense. Why even criticize a member for previous emotional abuse if you aren’t going to support their transformation into a better citizen? Obviously he was remorseful and clearly confessed to all his wrongs in his lyrics, what’s the point of only making his life worse when it won’t even help change him? It’s just ruining a career without sufficient evidence, but more importantly, discouraging any change that he attempted to make.
My thoughts exactly.
Missing In Action the emotional abuse could've been towards brockhampton as well, but they are saying this is because of his actions, as if they're referring to the things he was accused for.
There is something we don't know, I think. That part about 'he lied to us' is especially suspect.
Idk maybe because sexual assault is wrong an Like BH said them selves they have no tolerance for it
PR23FLY G it was sexual abuse not assault, they sound similar but much different
end of an era
Sarah Crowley a fucking awesome one
Listen to his first verse on MILK. "There's a couple women and they know some things." :(
*Odd Future kicks out Tyler The Creator
Chuck Cannon BH minus Ameer is basically OF without Tyler or Earl
Chuck Cannon boi Tyler kicked out Odd Future
Tyler rapped about bad shit but he's never been accused of seriously doing anything like that. Saying this is acting like the only evidence against Ameer is that he rapped bad shit
Chuck Cannon nah more like kicking out earl
nah that would be kevin
rip
JedDraws fucking good lol
Edgar L rude
RIP CODY BANKs
I want to live in a world where treating women poorly has consequences. I'm proud of the group. Listening to Matt Champion's verse on Junky would feel pretty weak if I knew that the group would look the other way when one of their own mistreated women. Inclusion, respect and acceptance has always been a big theme for Brockhampton, so I'm happy to see it wasn't just empty words.
It does have consequences. You don't have to kill someone's livelihood and project for there to be any consequences.
It sounds like he is in therapy and he's suffered a lot of negative publicity and attacks. Those are consequences, and they're already more than commensurate with being a shitty boyfriend. Granted we don't know the full story, so let's see if that holds.
Women have agency too and there are laws for that.
I don't think Brockhampton wanted to kick Ameer out. Their hand was probably forced by RCA (which they just signed to) and the current Outrage Culture that's all over social media.
Do you also want to live in a world where treating men poorly has consequences too? Please keep it consistent.
No Fre Uhhhhh, RCA have R Kelly and Chris Brown signed. They do not care about abuse allegations.
The year is 2030, everyone is now cancelled due to emotional abuse allegations
What the fuck even is "emotional abuse"? I'm sure there are a lot of artists out there who have "emotionally abused" people and acted like pricks but we still appreciate their work.
I personally don't want to count the minor allegations as how Ameer used to live in texas where the age of consent is 17. He states in his tweet when apologizing "Throughout the past 3 years I've been working hard to reflect on myself and seek out help." And hes 21 now (soon to be 22) Which means he was 18/19. Which to me was a time for him to START maturing, he only started reaching that age. As for the Emotional and Sexual Abuse, he has talked about how he has done wrong in songs, as a bh fan, its not news that he was deceiving as a boyfriend.
Scorched Quantam Mental abuse can be walked away from. The white knights and stans on twitter are just jumping on the bandwagon
What I hate about the Stans are how they just assumed the allegations to be true. All she did was tweet out a story about this and that. Everyone believed it and the pressure came onto BH. I know Ameer has talked about dealing with emotionally abusing his ex in songs before and even seeking help. But no one will obviously give Ameer a chance to prove that he has changed.
I think there is something more to it we aren't aware of.
It would help if there was actual proof or evidence to ameer even treating her wrong, in my opinion. It would be alot more believable if there was photos or something. But it's just really hard to believe that there isnt even a court case being filed against him. Instead the girl took it to twitter because she knows the BH stans are just going to attack because they like to grab on to any information (wrong or right) because they got nothing better to do.
Scorched Quantam Or perhaps there is evidence, and the band doesn't see it prudent to release it to us. It's really none of our business.
Just remember folks, this is the move that they're making to save their careers. Especially when they just got signed to RCA. RCA probably had much more to do with making the decision than the actual members did. So we're getting Brockhampton without Ameer or no Brockhampton at all. It is what it is man, hopefully they can still make more hits in the future!
HomeBoy Advance I think it’s the opposite I find it super disloyal and think it’s gonna hurt then just as bad if not worse than keeping him in the group
HomeBoy Advance Rca: has Chris Brown and R Kelly signed Hmmmmm?
Why does shit have to hit the fan?
when the shit hits the fan is you still a fan?
Madvillainy91
Is you still a fan?
Bryan Frosting fuck, you beat me by two minutes 😒😞🙄
Bryan Frosting I just made that same exact comment on another video
Bryan Frosting true
I’m so sad... Ameer was one of my favorite members, i was shocked when i heard the allegations, so disappointed. Nevertheless i think their decision was the best one they could’ve made.
Victor Campuzano not give him a chance to change? Are we now going to kick everyone out, fire them, cast them out into the open? Welcome to 2018
Marco Avalos they didn’t all abuse women
nigga did you even hear his lyrics
Victor Campuzano no it wasn’t. He didn’t even do anythign
Nicky Lick I know that, I’m talking about people in general. I would understand if it was a rapist or a molester.
I don’t want to be dramatic but I’m really heart broken.
f quint facts
How are they going to perform now?? Will I not be able to ever hear HEAT live again??
Dan Hermanson oh shit your right
Damni forgot about Heat. Wont sound the same now tbh
at least you got to hear heat live😭😭 i was going to see them this summer but i guess..
Oh fuck me dude that’s gonna suck
Dan Hermanson *FRICK* man
BRO IT WILL LITERALLY NEVER BE THE SAME.😞
Wait, you're telling the guy who raps about robbing people, selling drugs and having a troubled past has character flaws? Shocker. Brockhampton is soft af for doing this...
you do realize there's probaly a lot we don't know about the subject lmao
I'm guessing the "he lied" to us thing and whatever he lied about is more of a turning point to this decision
Character flaws is having a quick temper or trust issues, not abuse and sexual assault.
Steven Gill right?? haha. It is actually scary how these Ameer fans are trivialising abuse.
Lmao true selling drugs in my country could get you a death sentence.
People got no problem with those cuz they have been desensitized by the media.
People tend to cherrypicks. Their moral just following trends
Benn Leyland What abuse? From what I've read so far he hasn't sexually assaulted or physically abused anyone. He was just a manipulative asshole and that's not really abuse if you ask me, but there's still so much we don't know about this situation.
of course, the dude with the creepy mustache
hey cmon melon already shaved, he's still creepy but you don't need to say it
Look at his creepy ugly face haha xd
I knew I couldn’t trust Cal Cuchesta
ess the kiddie tickler
ess fuck you dude you don’t know what he has been thought or what he is doing to try to get help. I know that what he did is bad but look at what you are saying
If you got a problem with me, try some other guy
I let you know I'm a dog, I ate the cat alive
But really though, I'm alone cause I don't stick around
And yes, I know it's my fault, so put your finger down
- [Verse 4: Ameer Vann]
Robin Holm which track?
Peanut Butter Pikachu JOHNNY
Right on... dehumanizing the culprit is unethical in itself.
so many songs with so many lines spilling out the details. guess the "fans" never paid attention.
Fuck
Im calling it. The members knew and didn't want to kick him out, especially considering the lyrics Ameer put on his songs, but RCA, the label that represents CHRIS BROWN AND R. KELLY, forced them to let him go. Ameer has been getting help, even going to Bible study for over a year, apologized to the victims, and consistently talked about his poor treatment of loved ones. I hope the victims are doing ok, but these actions allegedly happened 3 years ago, when Ameer was still a teen. Also, why are they ok with coming out about this abuse now, when Brockhampton is doing the best they ever have, but not when they were complete nobodies with no fanbase 3 years ago?
DAMN. He had some of the best bars on the albums.
Edit: Still doesn't excuse the seriousness of these accusations.
I wish I had more info though
7 out of ten
You could have tried a little bit harder to hide your homophobia. like just a bit
I mean i dont know if they are into you, but respect if they are. Hope you find a wonderful gay dude to fuck with.
ok that there is less variety is fair. that is fair. But there might be a new member. they might branch out. they might adapt. well see. But they had to kick him. They said that new stuff came out. it has to be bad, like worse than what has come out. (and some of that is pretty bad). Its a shame, i like his verse on teeth but hey what can you do. the group is consistent
Breaking News: Jaden Smith joins BH
Tyler Wynne that would actually be a brilliant move on their part
If only
Holy shit that would be a good idea.
I would love that honestly.
Ew
It's a difficult situation because so much of society is 0 or 100. Brockhampton's only possible move was to ignore the allegations or kick Ameer out. In this current age, we lack nuance or grey area, so there wasn't a way the group could really "punish" him besides kicking him out which I find unfortunate.
sjshoker I agree 100%
There are still legal actions to be taken... But allegations will remain allegations, if the group found something and decided to kick him instead of legal actions thats their choice too
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Brockhampton was fun while it lasted.
SpaceAgeDavey I think they'll still continue
Wasn't fun in a first place, edgy white teenagers music
SpaceAgeDavey Lol this isn't the end of Brockhampton cuz Ameer got kicked out. And he didn't get kicked out for petty bullshit. He was an abuser to girls he dated in the past. Ameer was a very big pert of the group, but he wasn't the group itself. Kevin is still the leader of the group, and we still have artists in that group who are extremely talented. Not to mention Brockhamptom could find someone to replace Ameer if they really reallh wanted go.
I think they’re fan base is gonna drop a good bit tbh he one of if not the best musician in Brockhampton. Shame it had to come to this.
D Ravines How is Brockhampton edgy? Lol.
He was my favorite member and the one who kept my interest in Saturation 1. Unless there is something we don’t know yet then I don’t see why he can’t be forgiven. He seems to have put the past behind him and was at least going in the right direction.
By how a lot of fans have reacted to this whole ordeal scares me. It’s like your past will always define you no matter if you’ve been reformed. Obviously he deserves scrutiny for what he did but not having his career ruined. Things aren’t always black and white.
Yeah scary times man
That's 2018 bro. Court of public opinion, especially on Twitter, is out of control and they don't give a fuck because they will never be held responsible for ruining someone. And if you actually stand up for someone and suggest we maybe figure everything out and deal with it in an appropriate and measured way, you now support the stupid shit they were doing.
LewieBot couldn’t have said it any better myself. I really hope society starts to shift away from this witch hunting, especially if the person is trying to improve themselves. All this does is discourage people from admitting to their wrong doings and trying to learn from them and become better people.
what makes it not black or white? is there supposed to be some grey area where abuse is ok?
marissa Yeah tbh, just like anything else... Similar to murder, if ALL murders were exactly the same then why don't all murderers get 25 to life? Yeah what they did was bad, but there's a reason for everything, and some things should be forgiven under certain circumstances. So yes, there should be a grey area, but that definitely doesn't mean that abuse is okay, just that it CAN be forgiven.
A sad morning
But hey if he’s a piece of shit then it’s the best decision
im heated about the tour smh
Aidan Connolly I am too, but then again it’s understandable
to everyone saying that ameer was weak anyway and that he used the same flow that got stale after a while, i think y'all are just hating at this point. I agree that his bars were starting to get pretty damn old after a bit but he was the only one in the group that had the gritty hip hop vibe to him. Having that sort of presence amongst everyone else's quirky styles was such a great mixture because it brought a sense of familiarity in the music while blending it with newer/different styles.
I also think that Ameer had the highest ceiling of everyone, being that once he started to become more sophisticated in his rhyming it would be a wrap. He already has the voice and the attitude just needed to bring his rhymes to that next level and he would have easily been the best member of the group. He was definitely one of the most entertaining/one of the best already..sad to see this happen but he brought it on himself. And if the group is saying that they were lied to by him then there must be glaring evidence for them to have to kick him out so i don't blame them for the decision. However, I definitely think that BH will never be on the same level now since they have lost such a vital part to their group, time will tell though.
RadicalTadpoles1000 I'm all in for Ameer's solo career officially taking off now
@@dechefmane3526 oops!
Anthony takes a bath in tar.
He joins BROCKHAMPTON as Ameer 2.
Life is good again.
Lmao
They say "Do you make mistakes or do you make a change?"
everyone is talking about ameer being disgusting or being innocent, the man literally said in an unreleased verse he was gonna kill himself. can you imagine what this is doing to him? i fully expect him to be gone by next week if not sooner. i don't want it to happen but what else is left for him? he's seen as a monster now no matter the legitimacy of the allegations.
edit: i don't stand behind abusive characters, but i stand behind humanity. ameer very obviously regrets his decisions and apparently has been getting help for over a year. if that isn't a sign of someone who cares i don't know what is.
JPEG hi
JPEG well said m8
Dude for real. He fucking MADE the group, and you could tell how therapeutic getting his demons out thru rap was for him. I don't know the full extent of his wrongdoings, but goddamnit, this seems like such a hasty decision. And being an asshole boyfriend in the past (judging by what's been presented so far by all parties) isn't grounds for expulsion from the group. I'm genuinely bummed out man
Being apologetic or even caring does not excuse your actions.
He should drop a cathartic freestyle fr
thank you
Tabby no, thank you tabby
You've disappointed me on this one, bro...
Torben no one cares
@@torben7424 what would you expect? Tabby's thankfully got his head on his shoulders
Cute
Ameer constantly had standout verse on every album....damn
Juan Cannon lol wtf who could even hold this opinion
Elkin Cardenas shut up bitch
Juan Cannon he literally sounded the same on all albums bro.
idk about that but he definitely was a solid rock of consistency throughout all three albums
His verse on PUPPY from Kevin's Insta live is fucking 🔥🔥🔥
I would say it's morally justified to keep Ameer's verses on the new record (if Ameer allows it--that's another question). I hope Brockhampton doesn't go overboard with the situation by cutting his contributions. Purchasing the new record would not support Ameer after all.
One year later and this still hitting me
Whaaaaat noooo, damn puppy just got worse
Hard Days puppy *ha* more like duppy
they finna delete all his verses
Jamie Ho i sure hope not, he really brought something special, i wouldn't like it if they removed his stuff from puppy.
I'm sure they'll keep his verses on PUPPY. It's not like he got kicked out of the group or anything.
Bandstand Tru, what are your thoughts man? Been there since the atrocity exhibition samples too
How has this only come to light now if they have been good friends for years
It’s such bullshit how his career is ending over this. There’s so many celebrities that have done much worse and got away with it. The only thing he’s guilty of is being an asshole, which he’s always addressed in his lyrics. He deserves a chance to redeem himself and I can’t believe his friends didn’t have his back on this. Brockhampton will never be the same again.
Why are you defending an abuser just because you like his music?
i hope its BIG BIG prank for ameers ex
I'm honestly worried about how this will affect Puppy as an album and how they will perform hit songs from the Saturation trilogy that have Ameer's verses on them in their live performances. With that being said I do think that this was the right choice but an unfortunate situation altogether.
Kicking out the face of the group, idk about that one.
Yeah the group is dead now
The Giver Of L's Kevin has always been the face of the group... Yeah, Ameer was literally the cover of 3 albums, but Kevin in way more iconic
L
by todays standards, every hair band in the 80's would've disbanded immediately lol
Good
This is gonna make a great movie in 10 years. Puppy is either gonna be the best BH album or the worst (if it even comes out that is)
Harry Beaven F A C T S