The Full Story of Lake Quannapowitt - Fallout 4 Lore
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My dad is a consultant for things like this. He makes sure that an area isn't contaminated before people build things or move in and whatnot. He's had to deal with nasty cases where other consultants have lied to their clients to get out doing the work.
There was an old woman who moved into a country house that had toxic waste in the land, specifically around the well. She eventually had to move out when it came to light. It was a good thing the problem was found early, otherwise she could have gotten horribly sick from drinking the water. Unlike in Fallout, you'll be happy to hear that the idiot who halfassed his job got sued and lost. Sadly the house had to be condemned and demolished.
Just goes to show that things like this can happen in real life, albeit to a lesser extent. If you want a good example of a severe case of careless contaminations, look up the Walkerton E. coli outbreak. Farms were dumping literal shit into local wellsprings.
That reminds me of a story that happened in Germany, where abandaned
parts of an ironworks were to be demolished and turned into a park to
serve as a buffer between the remaining parts of the factory and the
neibourhood on the other side of the street. It was clear there would be
toxic waste in the ground and that they would need to decontaminate it,
it's been heavy industry after all. Yet, when it turned out that they'd
have to dig deeper than initially expected, the ironworks revoked their
consent to collaborate. Hell knows what they've buried there that they don't
want unearthed. They still built the buffer park however - after
tearing down one half of the neighbopurhood to make room for it.
Mikosch2, yeah, sadly all the scummy companies are not confined to the Fallout universe.
You only need to look at a list of superfund sites to see that the behavior highlighted in this video does actually happen in the real world. Real world companies tended to be smarter about it though, and dumped/buried waste far from cities, for the most part. Still, there were plenty of "Love Canal" events in populated areas over the past century.
Thankfully your dad is honest
LocksAndChains Where was that House?
Comes face to face with a Behemoth.
*Approximately 5 shots*
Behemoth Faceplants
Well....
ScottishBeverage62 I’ve done the same with a fully kitted-out Wastelander’s Friend. Then again, I had more than a few stealth-related Perks equipped.
@@thisiswhatilike54 stealth build with stacking bleed damage is absolutely insane.
Mood
7 shots to be exact
36 shots in the magazine intitionaly then afterward there were 29 shots left
36-29=7
I am not trying to be annoying or anything just exact
Lake Quannapowit is a real place in Wakefield MA right where I live. Never knew it was in the game
Ryan O'Neill same. Previous Wakefield boy now residing in Lynnfield. Honestly though, the game lore is not too far off to what has happened to the lake over the years.
fuck u balf
Evan McMaster Why the hostility? You half-assed wayward cow.
I think his profile picture is Lake Quinn
hey same here i live there as well
As a Truck driver i have seen many boats without flat bottoms moved on flatbed trls
Marc P. Yep, boats of all shapes and sizes are transported on trucks regularly.
Marc P. but mostly they are supported by a special frame made for the boat to fit on but it's possible that it was tied down with those yellow cable things that you have to krik up
They could have rotted away
Marc P. could be if it was made from wood
Its_Me_Romano _ So what your saying is steel can't rust away or are you being super technical on terminology of material deterioration
(2:40) This boat was obviously being transported on the flatbed trailer when the bombs fell. Presumably supports that kept it on the trailer rotted away or were taken by scavengers.
yeah i seen stuff like this after hurricane katrina, there was a huge ass boat just laying by the woods.
i sometimes feel the pre war stories are more interesting than the actual story
Omega idk. I remember playing fallout 4 and learning the story. I was so enthralled with it.
The side stories were easy to miss.
Part of me wonders if that was the idea. There's a lot more going on in the past of F4 than there was in F3.
same
Considering the Sole survivors pre war life I can see why there's more attention paid to pre war stories.
Often the finds you make about pre war companies are revealing secret and terrible business practices, government corruption, military acrions so unethical it makes you wonder how the commanders managed to sleep at night. Things that the pre war player character likely didn't know about and perhaps part of the intended role playing was this revaluation of the world they knew being much more grim than they perhaps realised.
It's always been an element of the games, but this time it was more of a personal revelation.
Omega makes the themes of rebuilding the world feel a lot more...how we say...unwanted... after all with raiders about who don't need to do what they need to, and people in actual societies still acting the way we do today, it seems the world going to hell wasnt a lesson taught, but the beginning of another much bloodier chapter of history.
Man Oxhorn, every single one of these videos your put out surprises me to no end.
The details you find and how you're able to link all these stories together is incredble.
It gives me a whole new appreciation of Bethesda's work.
Also, having a new video every day is just the cherry on top.
Agreed. I must admit he is a prolific worker. i used to spend 3-4 hours just playing a game for a few hours, tops, and almost every gf i've had has dumped me "because you're more in love with that bloody computer than me"
More importantly, he is actually quite accurate.. he does make some silly , what i'd call 'rush mistakes', as i do that when i try to get work done too quickly and if i don't go over it a few times i find at least 10-20 mistakes that are quite silly because i was rushing. And editing is the master of the cinematic/videogrammatic art. ANY movie that has been made with a bad editor suffers badly. A GREAT editor can MAKE an awful normal length movie into a great short movie.
"We come face to face with a Behemoth!" *behemoth immediately dies*
More likely the government officials tasked with monitoring the lake knew damn well how toxic the water was, warned their superiors, and were duly ignored. A big theme of the Fallout was how all those in a position of power in the US were past the point of mere sociopathy and were actively cartoon villains even as ordinary people working under them still maintained normal levels of (im)morality.
76 actully portrays this pretty well at a point where with any mine supervisor that brings up problems they get replaced.
*Government Official*
Let's study this lake
*Sticks hand in water first*
Hmm....
*Arm dissolves in cartoonish way*
Still not sure, need to research with several machines
I mean in fairness it is useful to know exactly *what* is causing their arms to melt. You can’t determine that from such a simple test, just that whatever it is in the lake is very deadly. But yes I agree the government was very corrupt back then and likely didn’t care too much. Also, the machines were already there sampling the water and had been that way for 15 months at least, and as the machines were already saying the water was dangerous to touch no one would want to put their hand in to see what would happen.
Here is a bit of science information for you. Uranium, Plutonium, and most of the radioactive materials that FO lore discusses are all classified as Heavy Metals. These heavy Metal contaminates will create radioactive contamination as they actively decay. Given the number of barrels at the bottom of the lake, it is no small surprise to see contamination exceed Sensor measurement ability.
Now, fecal contamination, The city water board may have moved a sewage pipe into the lake unknown to the public to handle the load that the water processing plant couldn't handle. If you look around more, you find plenty of Bloodleaf, Mutated Fern, and During my high level play through a Mirelurk Queen was hanging around the area, though i was level 98 at the time i saw her there.
Likely speaking, GA, Saugus, and MF were all dumping illegally as GA powered its robots with nuclear power (which is why they go nuclear and self destruct when you blow their arms off), Saugus likely dumped rubbish and left over slag (all the rubbish piles at the bottom of the lake. Try turning off your water effects and you can see PILES of it everywhere under the water), and of course, Mass Fusion was dumping drum loads of the stuff there at night when no one was around to see them. It was likely just because they were burning through so much of the stuff they couldnt dispose of it properly and keep up with the load.
Now if you look at the nearby GA Gallary, that was a public attraction and before it was closed due to incidents it had public restrooms. Meaning that it probably just piped the waste right into the lake rather than tie into the sewer system.
So we covered the majority of the pollution in the lake right there. But that level of pollution, you can see. You can see it easily (and smell it) thats why none of the scientists testing the water ever put their hands inside the water. They KNEW it was severely contaminated.
Michelle Alina Teague _ I used to live in Wakefield Ma, now I’m one town over in Lynnfield. The lore in Fallout is not too far off, there were corporations that used the lake in real life to illegally dispose of toxic materials. Even today people are advised to avoid swimming or even boating in the lake. Bethesda based the lore off of real life tragedy’s.
Ox, please never change you introductions. Your direct lead in with your easy going voice is much like the wonderful words hear when one was a child, "Once upon a time...!" Thanks for excellent videos that roll so smooth that one often forgets the the time and diligence needed to make them that way!
we should suggest bethasda to make a "Oxhorn " Character for Fallout 4 / 5 because of his thrilling and awsome fallout 4 videos but only with this cool voice ;) :D
Just have this old dude with the long ass beard chilling the corner of a bar, drinking a scotch and puffing on a Cigar, rambling on about various different places/buildings haha.
The Lone Courier hell ya, and during quests you can go ask him whats up and he can give backstory on it. that would b awesome!
I would definitely second that
Lorenz Albrecht Kickstarter..?
If there r any mod authors, get in touch woth Oxhorn please! All the vids hes done could b used for voice acting, we just need someone who could pull this off
FWIW, I always thought the machine next to the dead mechanic was an automated water-analysis machine. (which would help to explain why noone had stuck their hand in the water)
I’ve been watching your binge watching your Fallout 4 content as I replay it on my PS5. I absolutely love the way you tell the story while playing at a nice pace. You’re so thorough in you lore explanations. Great work.
I would have just used the Power Armour to explore the lake's depths, good radiation protection and a decent air supply, if not then just wear the diving suit inside the armour. You also get a good solid headlamp for exploring.
4:55 "This was many months before the bombs dropped. What was it still doing here?"
My question is: what was it still doing there after 200 YEARS?!
this sums up most of my bethesda world building experiences. i assume weather and nitrogen fixing bacteria ceased to exist for the 200 years we were frozen
or somebody at bethesda needs to learn how time works. essentially none of those buildings should still exist without serious maintenance. and it's pretty apparent everything was lowest bid contract built.
It is a video game lol
@@MrOsmodeus Well I am glad they keep the buildings and junk, it keeps the atmosphere right. It would be boring without it, plus it gives you reference points to real world locations.
@@MrOsmodeus I've seen a rather well constructed argument that that is the case. That due to the nuclear fallout, sensitive bacteria ecosystems were decimated and that led to a world that didnt decay normally. While I personally dont expect that to be the reason for all these things still being in the world after 200 years, but I can suspend my disbelief.
What's even stranger is how that Bass Tournament flyer stayed intact after 200 years.
I spawn a workbench so I can clean up the wasteland like a dirty hippie
3:05 Wow. That behemoth died pretty easily
You know at this point, that Mass Fusion boss may as well be Mr. Burns.
what about the oceanological society they were not anywhere near as corrupt as the other corporations. they wanted to help save the oceans and lakes for future generations to enjoy.
I really wish that there was more with that story line. Would have loved to help an old pre war mr. Handy collect mirelurk samples or to go swim the ocean to find old forgotten sensor equipment. Maybe find interesting ship wrecks and underwater caves.
I grew up along this lake. having spent 25 years of my life next to it, the lake had a period of time about 20 years ago where it was actually very very dirty and unsafe to swim in. There was a large lengthy cleanup and the lake itself has improved greatly, but it made me laugh when even the in-game lore had it already pretty nasty before the war with trash leftover months after an event because that was spot-on for awhile. Now, the park and the lake are beautiful and I recommend seeing it if you’re ever in the area. It’s also the head of the Saugus river
To be fair, the corporation's CEO's descendants all died on the Enclave oil rig.
Hey Oxhorn, so I just found out that my best friend watched your WoW videos as a kid and showed me one of them. We find it kind of funny actually. That the youtuber of her childhood has become the highlight of my day. 10 AM I'm looking out for your videos (time difference). Thanks for making such awesome videos. Your skills in story telling is incredible!
Is it weird to say that I feel angry and sad for this dumping in a fictional world?
5 years later and you get a reply. Anyway, I'd say no it isn't weird, there are times where I felt the same way. I think it's good storytelling, even if just environmental storytelling, when you feel angry, sad, awkward/embarrassed when listening to, reading, and/or viewing a story.
what about a video on green tech lore
like if you want this
Andy Dixon yes!
3:46 , We just saw the robot crash into a tree before Ox opened the map.
Heavy metal contamination wouldn't implicate the Ironworks or the Assembly Plant. Most of the nuclear material used to actually power reactors is made of...you guessed it...toxic heavy metals. Fission rods in particular are generally still highly radioactive when they're disposed (though they're also hotter than all hell, which seems like it would be a dead giveaway of illegal dumping when the actual temperature of the lake started slowly climbing).
Now, there are other problems with heavy metal contamination and the various polluters implicated here - specifically, none of those things use any sort of tremendous amount of heavy metal (most nuclear waste consists of the tools and gear used in working with stuff - not old fuel rods), so it's hard to figure how any of them would put so much of it into the water of a lake that big that it blew out a sensor - but so far as sourcing goes, the likeliest one is still the nuclear energy facility and not either of those other places.
I wonder if General Atomics is supposed to be related to the real world defense company?
I was thinking they were related maybe to General Motors?
BetaPlain that’s a motor company, General Atomics is a appliance and robot manufacturing.
Oxhorn, i just wanna tell you thanks man. Your the reason why I got into fall out. I always bought the games but never really like them that much, but because of your in depth analysis of the lore, i find them really interesting and actually fun now. Thanks bud
This reminds me of Love Canal so darn much. I really hope both of those stories are never told in a different form again..
I'm so glad I stumbled upon your channel. Even if I am 7 years late. Your voice is relaxing and I learn so much that I would have missed or didn't understand while playing. Thanks, sir.
Oxhorn should make a settlement thats like all Deathclaws. Who remembers the Deathclaw Sanctuary? :D
Oh fuck, I have nightmares about that godforsaken place. Lost Fawkes in there.
Christopher Louis I remember Vault 13 which had deathclaws
To explain the boat, here's how Bethesda world designers thinks:
"We have three kinds of boats modelled... let's put this one here, this one here... aannnnd this one there... forget the details"
And it works perfectly well, so who cares lol
Cool video. This lake is a real site from my home town Wakefield Mass. Keep up the great work! Your videos are still informative even after playing Fallout4 many times.
I get to work, find out it's a half-day, then I come home and there's a new Oxhorn video. This is the best day I've had all month.
again underwater stuff creeps me right out , so thank you for exploring down there nothing was getting me to dive in
The funny thing about the bass fishing tournament note is that every year on the 4th of July there actually is a fishing tournament on lake Quannapowitt. The lake is located in the town of Wakefield, MA and that tournament is part of the 4th of July celebration the town does. The cash prizes isn’t true but they used to give trophies for the first, second, and third place winner.
Can you do a fallout lore video on the Hubologists from Nuka-World?
Ashton Hyllengren He did
Lake Quannapowitt is where my grandma used to go for boating and swimming when she was a kid
New Zealandball can’t anymore. The lores right. No one dumped nuclear materials in the lake, but companies used to dispose of other kinds of toxic materials in the lake in the past.
Paladin Danse makes a comment about the prewar companies and their atrocities in the Arcjet Systems quest For the Brotherhood.
The heavy metals may have leached out of the barrels (ie: lead shielding).
Loved this game, had so many hidden stories and unknown locations, I wish it got better reviews, its gameplay worthy of Skyrim's fame, all it needed was a more radioactive capital wasteland like atmosphere and I hope people noticed it in nuka world
6:30
That's not hazardous, that just builds your immune system.
Haha. I live next to this lake which is in Wakefield, a town just north of Boston.
Oh wow, I didn't realize this was the lake right at Wakefield Center. I've walked around this a bunch of times. Mostly soccer moms, not so many mirelurks. High five from Danvers.
afterstars -What’s up from Lynnfield. I used to live on Pleasant st. just a minute or so from the lake itself.
IRL Lake Quannapowitt is right next to the town of Wakefield, which unfortunately isn't in the game. Wakefield was incorporated in 1812, so it's strange that it's not there. Its odd to walk around this lake, which is so closely tied to the town, and have no town be there.
The boat on the trailer WAS for the fishing tournament, only reason it fell off was from either weight or the straps snapped off the trailer.
The pump was to feed it into the water tower to test the sensor for sampling.
I'm surprised the tower and the pump didn't immediately corrode itself from how polluted that water was.
A lake like this actually existed in real life and it's called Karachay. Quote from wikipedia: Some parts of the lake are extremely radioactive (600 röntgens/hour) and one could receive a lethal dose of radiation in 30 minutes (300 röntgens). The sediment of the lake bed is estimated to be composed almost entirely of high level radioactive waste deposits to a depth of roughly 11 feet (3.4 m)
One thing that bugs me though.
If that lake was THAT radioactive, it would probably be as yellow as that disposal site from one of the previous videos. And if the material was just deposited (like the barrels we see), the water would actually act as a shield and the story of people getting sick just by touching the water is a little bit far-fetched. Wouldn't people notice the discoloration of the water from all the contaminants?
Overall, it's a great and chilling story of the corporate greed, but there are some plot holes in it that break the immersion for me :/
Wasnt that were russia disposed of nuclear material from an overloaded reactor??
Hey Oxhorn, you made a mistake in this video, at the start you said 'the radiation had been increased by 15%' but in the oceanological society video we found out that it was 15x, I thought I would just let you know.
Thanks for all the lore on these games, and thank you for all your free entertainment. :)
I was looking for a small Oxhorn video and Lo, you upload.
Thanks Oxhorn.
Oxhorn, living in a fishing community for all of my life I can tell you the big boat on the road fell off the truck, they probably reused the truck model which is why it's not the type of trailer used to haul boats.
It seems every day your videos enhance my experience playing this game, I built a pc to buy this game again and play at higher resolutions and use mods, but now the lore breaking mods are starting to detract from the game, seriously thank you oxhorn! Can't wait for this game to be released on VR and purchase it a third time! Stay awesome!
whenever Oxhorn says toxicity i cant get the song out of my head
Your voice sounds so official on these videos what hasn't Bethesda hired you good vid 👍
8:45 "Did no one think to stick their hand in the water to test".
I mean, I wouldn't. lol
Yes! Was here the other day and was dying for you to make a video on it!
I honestly love everything north. I feel like it is so underrated in the game. Love the coverage on the lore in this video. 😊
Weather after Bombs drop:
*moves huge ships all over the place*
Also the same crazy weather:
*leaves bass fishing competition flier on a picnic table for convenience*
Quest started with:
[ " Call to Arms " ]...
On a roof I found
a corpse with a note
on it. It gave me
the quest: " Recover
the Pipe Revolver
from
Lake Quannapowitt "
Lake Quannapowitt is actually in Wakefield,MA...I play Ingress/Pokemon Go there daily
This makes Possum Lake from the Red Green Show seem clean by comparison, and Possum Lake congealed in the winter.
That pump at 9:10 is a water testing pump. The resevoir at the top holds samples.
These situations are what proves the BoS right over the past being extremely irrisponsible with tech, but humanity changes. Post war society has it easier to not repeat these mistakes given you find them in too many places to ignore.
personally the fishing man seems like a reference to the third Mummy movie where the main character gets bored fishing so just shoots the fish instead
My great grandad did stuff like that. TNT fishing too. The dude was really cool. I wish I could have met the guy.
This is my lake where I run almost every week for 10 years now. Most beautiful running lake. Wakefield Mass
This is hilarious because that lakes in my town and we would always joke as kids that it was toxic and we’d grow a 3rd eye or limb
Hi oxhorn this video's making me feel much better thank you
This was my first encounter with mirelurks. It went something like this, "what the fuck is that! I'm shooting it but I'm not doing any damage! RUN AWAY!!!!".
I'd hope for a meta video tying together all the little bits about the Commonwealth in the aftermath of the bombs. The Mayoral Shelter, West Everett Estates and Milton General Hospital all talk about that time. They suggest that society didn't collapse immediately given there were soldiers and a hospital. That would be wonderous.
Ox the boat was probably held by those cables wich are used for most freights that are being transported on a flatbed
Oxhorn the sentry bot spawn area is a random enemy spawn, when i got there when exploring i found a deathclaw nest and some supermutants fighting the deathclaw
This video started out with Oxhorn and ended up as a Graenolf video
Dude you're like the david attenborough of Fallout.
oxhorn but... that also happens in real life there are extremely contaminated places in the world were people live. you might think fallout is making every company look like bad but reality is that almost no company has consideration over contamination , money moves the pieces life is just the table
That's "democracy"
(Constitutional republic)
@@betaplain297 what the fuck even was the video about i was 13 when i made this comment, huh im proud of myself tho where did i even come up w "money moves the pieces life is just the table"
@@damnroger2739 The video was about companies dumping things into a lake (happens in real life too), and he explored the story of the video.
@@betaplain297 yeah well democracy babey gotta love it.
12:03 12:09 dose moves though
I love your content Oxhorn. Hearing you talk about Fallout lore has made me love that game even more. Keep up the good work!
As a prewar character, it would have been cool if the character would have made comments when making these discoveries. After all, this was the characters home. Their friends, neighbors and family was effected. Like the drug dealer in the neighbourhood. It would have made them come to life.
A lot of times you have to assume the lakes or whatever are actually bigger than what you see, there just wasn’t enough room for it. First of all, that couldn’t even be a lake, it would be a pond. It’s not deep enough to have an aphotic zone. Second, no way that’s big enough to have a public bass fishing tournament for Boston. You just gotta use your imagination sometimes.
you have gotten me back into fallout 4 today. thank you so much
Always, ALWAYS go fishing with a gun. You never know what you might hook that you cant get the hook out but would be cruel to throw back. Gar are like that. Nasty sharp teeth, really hard scales. Same with a snapping turtle. Best to plug it and continue.
True that. My grandad was hand fishing for catfish and got chewed up by a beaver. One of his pals had a pistol on him and had to shoot it three or four times before it let go. Grandad lost two fingers.
Something tells me that when they were testing the waters and said that it should be closed, it was not bad enough to cause burns from touching the water. But on Jul 4, cause nothing was done to stop all the dumping that had been happening and maybe a exceptionally strong batch of stuff was dumped the night before, it caused people to have serious burns. I would think that at least something would of happened to have a government official touch the water at least once before the fishing event accidently or not so I have a feeling it has to be the fact that the dumping just kept on going that made it so much worse.
That SentryBot is just a Random encounter, I stumbled upon one in other places, could also be an active that try to kill you on sight.
I used to live about a block away from lake quannapowitt when I was younger. Eventually I left Wakefield and moved to the next town over, Lynnfield Ma. Still only about a 5 minute drive away from the lake. As someone who has jogged its perimeter I must say it’s depiction in game is not so far off. Major industrial sites in the town use to dump toxic materials into the lake before modern environmental regulations were implemented by the state, local and federal governments. None the less, many individuals and business’ still used the lake as their own private trash bin. Even to this day it is a dirty shithole, and people joke that a swim in the lake will leave you with one extra limb. Honestly I would not be surprised if barrels of toxic waste were sitting in the bottom of the lake.
You should do an audiobook man
The boat on the road was being transported via flatbed pretty common on the east coast at least
CanadianBad@$$ 👿
My theory for why the flyer for the 4th fishing competition is on the table is because the man in the boat corpses is recent. It takes about 5+ years to bleach, and the flyer looks like it was weighted down. What if the man commited suicide because he couldn't take it anyone, and remembered the fishing days (as we is a non-feral ghoul), and the flyer was the only thing from the past.
00:30 If I remember correctly, the terminal stated that the toxicity of that lake had increased 15 TIMES compared to the last maesuring, not just 15%.
Once you finish Fallout 4's lore, I'd love to see you cover New Vegas'!
3:05 wooden support struts. Eaten away after the years
I found a Bar with a Bartender where Oxhorn found the Sentrybot!!
Might be a Random Encounter hotspot!
The only problem I have with this, and it is very minor, was your explanation at the skeletons in the boat that was sunk. If the fatalities happened on the 4th of July, they would have had plenty of time to recover the bodies to be buried. Even in hazardous water such as that, I dont think they would have just left them there. Then again, this is pre war fallout so maybe so. I always figured the bodies were wastelanders that tried fishing in the lake after the bombs fell but sank and were dissolved away by the highly corrosive effects of the water.
man i can listen to this guy talk all day.
It brings to mind what Dupont did during 60s to the 70s.
I always thought that "pump" was in fact the sensor unit. Explains why it was being repaired (or upgraded) if it was overloaded.
Hey Ox, great stuff as always. You need to do more Far Harbor lore!!!
Real life version of Quannapowitt: part of the Duwamish River in Seattle. Gnarly stuff under the mud and silt.
Nate Patterson - I live by the real life version of Quannapowitt. Lake Quannapowitt Ma. :)
I live in the same town as lake quannapowwit and the funny thing is, in fallout the notes say the lake was very contaminated before the war. In real life that lake is so polluted its illegal to swim in it due to the pollution level. If you went under water in real life there, you would probably come out with a 3rd arm and your hair burned off.
Matt Roberto It wasn’t nuclear waste dumped into the real life lake. It was arsenic. It was an attempt around 50 years ago to kill the massive amounts of underwater vegetation taking over the lake. Run off storm drains and streets also contributed. It’s simply more poisonous in real life and not radioactive.
Oxhorn, Will you ever do Fallout 3 Lores?
oxhorn recently i have been doing research and found out the free fall legs were going to be part of a quest but the content was cut