I have to admit, that chap Nick Valentine has one of the greatest "before-the-kill" one liners in Fallout 4: Eddie: "Christ, look at you, your not even alive" "Guess im in good company, then" -Nick
I thought that was cool but I have forgotten that the mysterious stranger is another thing Nick is trying to solve which just made this whole thing even better:
The monologue Nick has at the end, when he's talking about the existential nightmare that is every moment of his life, was one of the deepest cutting video game moments I've experienced. The actor is incredible.
In my play-through, Nick one shot winter Since I equipped him a full modified .44 pistol. At the moment, I saw Nick pull out his pistol and then Winter's head got blew away just in a second. It's so cinematic and so cool, almost like a western movie.
@Grim reaper i mean they are the same voice actor, Bethesda didnt have enough to pay the wage for each npc so fallout voice actors were used. Nicks voice was used on so many npc's its crazy. But oh well skyrim is godly
Raiders aren't killed in cold blood, they are killed in self defense. They are a danger to the Sole Surviver and to innocent Commonwealth settlements. Eddie Winter, on the other hand, isn't currently a danger to anybody. Nick's theory that Eddie plans to come out of his shelter and take over again is just that, a theory. There's no way to know for sure what Eddie plans to do. Raiders, though, are a clear and present danger.
I find it hilarious that the Sole Survivor lectures Nick about basically using her as an accomplice to murder Eddie Winter for something that happened 200 years ago, when she herself used NICK as an accomplice to murder Kellogg for something that happened 60 years ago. Sole Survivor, please look yourself in the mirror.
ScarletImp2113 Thing is though, Eddie hasn't committed a crime for over 200 years, he has also been pardoned for ratting out other criminals. Meanwhile, Kellog is still commiting crimes, and has not been pardoned for his former crimes. Basically, Eddie has redeemed himself, Kellog hasn't.
@Zach Antes -- You make a valid point. Still, Eddie's redemption and not-killing-anyone-ever-again for the next 200 years didn't stop Nick from wanting to kill him.
ScarletImp2113 Yes, but Nick is a detective, he is supposed to follow due process. If Eddie Winter has been granted immunity then he is no longer considered a criminal. Unless he commits another crime, he is still considered a free man, he is not guilty of any crimes in the eyes of the law. Meanwhile, if Nick kills Eddie, Nick then becomes a criminal.
To add to your point, @Zach Antes -- the Sole Survivor ISN'T a detective, so he/she doesn't really have to follow due process. That burden is lifted slightly. Another thing I just realized was that I had no idea Eddie was actually ratting out his own crew in the holotapes. I'm so dense. xD
Have you ever explored the relationship between Eddies last holotape, the one in the bunker, to fan theories about who/how the bombs got dropped? "His informant" told him they were coming, but clearly Eddie was working with/for the Federal Government, sums arms dealers, Russians etc, so who told him? How did they know? Does that play into the hurried pace of the Sanctuary Vault rep and his seeming to anticipate the bombs? Why is Vault 76 full when the bombs go off?
This might be a leap in logic but it might be he saw this in a dream or a trip I live in Albuquerque New Mexico and I’ve heard of people dreaming mount Taylor erupting
Vault 76 was full at the drop of the bombs because it has no experiment, but it was not exactly a control vault. It contained the best and brightest West Virginians for the purpose of releasing them 25 years later and reclaiming the Appalachian Wasteland using the C.A.M.P. technology. ...unless that mention of Vault 76 was a typo.
This was the first quest I did after completing the main story, it was all because 'ol Nicky wouldn't shut up about it. "How we doing on the hunt for Eddie's tapes?" "How we doing on the hunt for Eddie's tapes?" "How we doing on the hunt for Eddie's tapes?" "How we doing on the hunt for Eddie's tapes?" "How we doing on the hunt for Eddie's tapes?" "How we doing on the hunt for Eddie's tapes?" "How we doing on the hunt for Eddie's tapes?" "There's a settlement in need, I'll mark it on your map." I'LL FIND HIS TAPES OKAY? *Edit:* I didn't know this would get so popular, wow.
Moon Kid I hated that I started the quest too early in the game I went straight to diamond city after I joined the mm so every time I see Nick he's still asking me ...one day I'll look for them 😂😏
Long version, Eddie made a deal for immunity from prosecution in exchange for providing evidence against his criminal associates. Such bargains require that to be immune, one must confess those crimes which one would otherwise be held accountable for. Now, due to the minor matter of the end of civilisation as we know it in 2077, none of Eddie's associates was ever brought to trial, let alone to justice, the deal with the authorities is rendered null and void. That being the case, the fact that Eddie has confessed to crimes up to and including 1st degree murder (on which there is no statute of limitations) makes him a fugitive from justice and it is a citizen's _duty_ to aid in his apprehention, so when he pulls a gun he is killed resisting arrest. All legal and above board. Moral quandries, none.
Man, this would've been a great dialogue option for a high-intelligence Nora. Considering she graduated from law school, she would've had enough knowledge of the pre-war legal system to come to that conclusion.
There's no government or law system there anyway. Who cares if his deal with some long-gone government was valid or not; that's entirely moot. Fallout is a world of kill or be killed, not of kill and go to prison. Killing Eddie is not legal nor illegal. The morality of it, however, would only be loosely linked to the legality even if legality was a concept that existed in post-war Fallout.
Nick is the best companion Oh and can I just say that when you have codsworth as your equipped as your companion and transfer over to nick, codsworth says that he is the only one he trusts with his master (if your female he calls you mum, if your male the n he calls you sir).
Nick: "This rifle of mine glows with an awesome power! Its burning grip tells me to defeat you! Take this! My love, my anger, and all of my sorrow! SHINING LASER!"
I've played the whole game with them on, and yeah, there are a number of inaccuracies. She says Molly while the text reads Shamus is one of the more glaring ones, to be sure.
I personally agree with the choice to murder Eddie Winter. Based on the lore of this the guy had it coming. If someone had killed someone I cred about I would want revenge, even if it took 200 years to avenge the person.
It would be awesome if you could find the real Nick Valentine as a ghoul. Like, the original Nick Valentine became a ghoul and met the synth Nick two-hundred years later.
East Muppet of the Weast it actually be a cool concept but because of lore, and how nick obtain nick's memories, that would require a death from the human nick. so sadly i don't think it would happen, unless bethesda calls some loop hole
East Muppet of the Weast Like, you find him somewhere near or in the Boston Common and he asks our Nick to just end his life because he feels he's about to go feral. It's a heartfelt talk between the two and a gunshot is heard. I would love to see that!
Personally I think synth nick avenged real nick and his fiancé in this quest, nick's story makes me hate the institute more for having him (the robot) go through hell pretty much and I'm glad eddy finally got what's comming, much like the whole Cabot family will in my gameplay, in the end this is just giving me more a reason to shoot father on sight, Shawn or not Shawn
so cit recorded nicks personality. nick then helped the ss find the institute and eventually destroy it. so the institute basically signed there own death warrant a hundred years before it existed. That's crazy
I'll be honest here: 1) This was justice, long overdue. There is an old saying that applies here. All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. It's pretty clear Winter was going to get back to business, and his crimes certainly had no statute of limitations in a legal sense. It was time to bring down the hammer. 2) This is what the Commonwealth has become. The only justice can be found at the muzzle of a gun for certain egregious crimes. Winter got his just desserts. 3) Sometimes closing a chapter is therapeutic. Valentine needed this to move one. He wasn't going to get it 200 years before; the bureaucracy of a federal government had stopped that one its tracks. Sometimes I think trying to get a bunch of gangsters leaves the door open for abuses, and one must be careful how to proceed. This was a case of when that can go wrong. Immunity when you proceed to commit the same crimes? There needs to be a point where you say 'no'.
Sean Carroll I like your views on this subject and it got me thinking even if it wasn’t “his” memories, is easy to see how he views it, partly as avenging this woman in the past, and partly letting his mind rest. During your time with him he talks about being scared he’s going to lose memories as he ages , or a part of him because his mind is too full. The human brain is made to finish things, and if you don’t finish it the mind never lets it go, so all of Valentines unfinished cases, wearing away at his mind. Finishing the longest and most emotionally charged one he remembers, it has got to be a relief.
I like the references to actual boston crime figures and situations. Howie Winter, Johnny Martorano, North vs south relations, etc. I think that's cool they took the time to do it.
You do realize that computers in that universe r just basically big holotapes, right? They aren’t connected to WiFi or big networks because those don’t exist there.
I honestly don't understand how you can keep up with your release schedule.. Daily 30+ minute videos with good research, good script, fitting background footage and editing, you must work your ass out for your channel. I was a big fan of yours from the early days of wow machinima but this is somehow even more impressive.
I wonder... did Winter ever come out of that bunker in the last 200 years? If not, then that sad sack just spent 2 centuries in a well furnished cell. A long wait for his Green Mile.
Jesus when you put it like that, did eddy already serve his time then? A well furnished cell is still a cell after all and onto of that it was solitary confinement basicly, I absolutely think nick needed to kill eddy and eddy was just siting in purgatory anyways and if he left he wouldn't be a good to the commonwealth anyways so 🤷♀️ but the man did basicly serve 2 life sentences by the time he gets killed
@@darcismith7295Technically never did. He was let go for the information on other criminals related to his activities, which pissed off Nick Valentine to no end.
I mean in the context it works. It can mean to identify as responsible for wrongdoing or a crime, especially to the police: fingered the sales clerk as the thief. b. To identify or designate as being responsible So the usage checks out
You really should have given Nick the Justice the Combat Shotgun for this quest As for was it murder for Nick to kill Winter.. Id like to paraphrase the words of Mr Frank Castle.. "In certain extreme situations, the law is inadequate. In order to shame its inadequacy, it is necessary to act outside the law. To pursue... natural justice. This is not vengeance. Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No, not vengeance. Punishment. "
39:54 Something I also immediately remembered that you didn't mention, a real small detail, but worth noting nonetheless, is that he mentioned the guy had a theory. This is likely the same guy Curie talks about in one of her random throwaway lines triggered by encountering ghouls or feral ghouls.
Hey Ox, could you make a video of essential lore for a roleplaying character who lived before the war? All the brands, all the news, etc... For Fallout 4 , and possibly the others!
please do a video on what the military did right after the bombs fell. there are several places where the military tried to keep control but failed like the hospitals and checkpoints
First Eddie Winter related tape I got: "We Are Done" inside BADTFL regional office. This tape says Nick Valentine was forced by his boss to go to the brain scan place and get his mind mapped or whatever (leading to the Valentine we know and love in a synth body). That tape got me curious so I did the whole questline with Nick. WORTH IT.
1:42 I don't know if anyone noticed, but, when nick is talking about the "one upon a time" stuff, we get to zoom in, and, I think it's cool! Not just because he is my favourite companion or anything..... n-not at all............. DON'T JUDGE ME!
Yeah, clam up with the mirelurk jokes! They're getting old--much like an old abandoned bunker which, by the way, would be the perfect place for a mirelurk den.
klesh lol, yeah i live in sc, but lived in ma most of my life. I was really surprised Oxhorn never mentioned the connection in the video. He's usually pretty good with that kinda stuff.
I was really hoping you would speak of how Eddie Winter was based off the former Irish mob boss Whitey Bulgar and how almost all of what happens within this Quest is fairly close to what actually happened. Of course, Whitey didn't turn into a ghoul or go into hiding in a sub shop, but he did get away with the shit he did in Southie for many years because of the fact that he became in FBI informant. Also Eddie's name is clearly a play on words of Whitey (since they sound very similar) and Winter was most likely derived from Whiteys gangs name which was "The Winter Hill Gang". I'm not sure if anyone outside of Boston would really get the reference as hes really only infamous within Boston (seriously no one outside of the city knows who the fuck I'm talking about when I bring this up), but I still think this is such a cool detail to an equal great quest.
I know this was several years ago, but this story of Nick Valentine is a sad and beautiful one all at the same time. thank you for your insight , time and patience doing this. I completed the game a couple of years ago but missed this quest. thank you for sharing
16:00 -16:40 reminds me of the story in the game SOMA since, the the main plot is around copying a mind and putting it into a robot 100 years later. (Just a weird thought)
I had my reservations about milling Eddie. I generally oppose going after decades old crimes, let alone centuries old ones. People change, grow. I believe in forgiveness. But then I met him, and he was every bit the slimebucket he was 200 years ago. No remorse, no change. Clipping him is a public service.
Stephen Russell voices my 2 favourite companions in the game, Nick and Codsworth - and he puts so much emotion into both robos that they're more human than most of the people . Whatever they paid him it wasn't enough.
I just started playing this game and came across this channel looking up tips on what to do in the wasteland. I'm at level 41 now and the more of these videos I watch the more I realize I haven't even scraped the surface of the content this game has to offer.
I really like Nick, and when I finished the quest with him, I was trying my best to make him feel better. Justice doesn't have hands, but that's what Nick and the ss are for, even if it is murder, we'd be preventing Eddie from emerging and causing problems, much like how we treat raiders.
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To be fair, the sole survivor is one of the few survivors from Eddie's time. Nobody else from that time is around to arrest him, try him, or sentence him. If he was caught in the 21st century he would have faced the death penalty or at the very least life in prison. I feel no guilt acting for the no longer surviving legal system.
Aah ... Dead Money! Eddie wanted to “Begin Again” but Nick didn’t “Let Go!” And if we thought what was done to Christine (forcibly given someone else’s voice) was bad, Nick being given an entire new mechanical body and waking up in a chaotic wasteland is worse!
Imagine someone making a movie out of this. It's an interesting story in itself, as well as giving an example as to why gamers get so attached to video game stories
It took me the longest time to figure out why they got rid of the karma system, but I realize this: In fallout 4 nothing is so black and white, but rather everything is in shades of grey, the factions for instance, they each believe they are doing the right thing for the Commonwealth, yet there is no right answer. I could just by typing this because I'm drunk, but I believe getting rid of the karma system ironically actually makes people think about what is the right or wrong thing to do.
I actually never liked the karma system, for the simple fact that everyone’s morals are different, its hard to say whats “moral” and whats not, its all how the player views it.
I just have to say I have watched dozens of Oxhorn's videos because they are just so amazing. But I always grin a bit when he pauses picking up items while there is dialog occurring and actually times the break in dialog to pick up items so it doesn't disturb the flow :) (see right around 38:49) These little attentions to detail are all over these but this one makes me smile! 👍
Königstiger After the death of his fiance, the original Nick Valentine was referred to a place for grief counseling. My best guess is that it likely turned out to be a place for harvesting people's brains for study. Maybe they just scanned his brain and let him go on his merry way. But this is Fallout we're talking about, so I'm not optimistic about that.
OMG yes he should be like a annoying know it all but as you get to know him he stops and let you kinda go into control. Oooooohh and he could have a family that he leaves to protect
Eddie Winter was a serious piece of work. Involved with all manner of crimes, responsible for dozens if not hundreds of deaths directly or indirectly. Turned on the other mobsters, even his own family to stay out of jail. Used his girlfriend and implicated her in those holotapes. The man had no heart, no compassion, no remorse and was both literally and figuratively drenched in blood. And worse was he got away with it. I suppose you could argue that 210 years in a bunker would be punishment for a crime.. but is it really a punishment when you set it up yourself and could leave at any time? No, the man had what was coming to him many times over. He wasn't repentant, he would and planned to do it all over again if he had the chance. Letting Nick gun down Eddie may have been vengance, but it was also justice, more than 200 years overdue.
Eddie Winter was inspired by Whitey Bulger, the former organized crime boss of the Winter Hill Gang of Boston. There's a great movie about him called "Black Mass".
If you’re reading this, you’re, to me, the best Fallout 4 UA-camr I’ve literally ever watched, I love to see your new uploads, I love to hear the ding noise and reading that you uploaded a new video, I love your voice, and thank you for being supportive of is
I kinda wish this questline involved using the memory den to go back and interact with the original Nick Valentine. Imagine plugging into his brain again to help him look for clues that he can't recall.
Troll Man In order to get Raul as a companion, high levels of lockpick, repair and science is a must. Repair makes settling things with Tabatha waaaaay easier and you get a better ending, too.
Actually, you don't need jack shit to get Raul, you can use the other terminal to get the password from the last entry (123456789). Sure, you get a better ending if you fix Rhonda, but Raul is totally worth a worse ending.
yeah it is vengeance plain and simple there, nick's emotions were playing judge jury and executioner but that doesn't mean Winter's death is a bad thing. I mean it's not justice when I slaughter paradise falls but it is sure as hell a just action.
Throughout our lives, we make decisions and choices that have consequences. We get what’s coming to us. In this case, I like to say that Nick Valentine the Synth was what Eddie Winter had coming to *him*.
I have to admit, that chap Nick Valentine has one of the greatest "before-the-kill" one liners in Fallout 4:
Eddie: "Christ, look at you, your not even alive"
"Guess im in good company, then"
-Nick
smokin
Hot.
Catofey bbq
"I'm here to pick up an extra-large pepperoni and a calzone. Name is... fuck you?"
Absolutely SAVAGE
When I confronted Eddie the first time with Nick, I, Nick and the Mysterious Stranger shot him at the same time.
His own personal case was closed with the help of another case, cool.
I thought that was cool but I have forgotten that the mysterious stranger is another thing Nick is trying to solve which just made this whole thing even better:
*sexy guitar rifts*
"Eddie! It's me! Your old pal Shamus McFuckyourself!"
Killing Eddie with the Power of ~*Friendship*~
The monologue Nick has at the end, when he's talking about the existential nightmare that is every moment of his life, was one of the deepest cutting video game moments I've experienced. The actor is incredible.
Nick is pretty much the best thing in Fallout 4.
Fallout 4 hits you with all the emotional low blows
@@Rainbow_Dash_of_Cloudsdale agreed, followed closely by Hancock, who I feel wasn't explored enough. A truly fun and complex character.
When he said all that I almost cried
You haven’t played rdr2
"I didn't want to walk the whole way so I fast traveled"
Haha, yeah
*cries in survival*
Riley Sandpaper How have you got this far in survival mode without the lone wanderer perk?
@Zesty Zucc it doesn’t I have no idea what I meant by the comment haha
In my play-through, Nick one shot winter Since I equipped him a full modified .44 pistol. At the moment, I saw Nick pull out his pistol and then Winter's head got blew away just in a second. It's so cinematic and so cool, almost like a western movie.
I myself gave him a super sledge.... Eddie's body turned into red jello under 1 seconds
Nick's voice acting is so great.
@Grim reaper i mean they are the same voice actor, Bethesda didnt have enough to pay the wage for each npc so fallout voice actors were used. Nicks voice was used on so many npc's its crazy. But oh well skyrim is godly
Only Morgan Freeman's voice could be better
My favorite line in the game: "Ashes go home. ERIN MISSES YOU"
It's Humphrey Bogart.
YOUR IN FOR IT NOW
Says killing a 200 year old crime boss is murder.
Slaughters hundreds of raiders without a thought.
Martiellmo dues vult
Martiellmo Raiders ain't humans
Raiders aren't killed in cold blood, they are killed in self defense. They are a danger to the Sole Surviver and to innocent Commonwealth settlements. Eddie Winter, on the other hand, isn't currently a danger to anybody. Nick's theory that Eddie plans to come out of his shelter and take over again is just that, a theory. There's no way to know for sure what Eddie plans to do. Raiders, though, are a clear and present danger.
lol eddie said he wanted to get out to rule boston.
not sure why he didnt come out yet
Martiellmo raiders attack first even if you ignore them
"After spending some time with our favorite synthetic detective, Nick Valentine"
YES! I knew you loved me!
Nick Valentine who doesn't
Nick Valentine in my game you just jumped to death
Everyone does
Love you nick
You're just a machine pretending to be human. I guess they made you the man you wanted to be.
"Get over yourself, it aint always about YOU." Damn. Nick broke the 4th wall a little bit there.
"You're carrying too much and can't run!" Even Fallout 4 knows that you can't run from problems
Based
@@legohexman2858 I love your pfp
This is a gem.
I find it hilarious that the Sole Survivor lectures Nick about basically using her as an accomplice to murder Eddie Winter for something that happened 200 years ago, when she herself used NICK as an accomplice to murder Kellogg for something that happened 60 years ago. Sole Survivor, please look yourself in the mirror.
ScarletImp2113 Thing is though, Eddie hasn't committed a crime for over 200 years, he has also been pardoned for ratting out other criminals. Meanwhile, Kellog is still commiting crimes, and has not been pardoned for his former crimes. Basically, Eddie has redeemed himself, Kellog hasn't.
@Zach Antes -- You make a valid point. Still, Eddie's redemption and not-killing-anyone-ever-again for the next 200 years didn't stop Nick from wanting to kill him.
ScarletImp2113 Yes, but Nick is a detective, he is supposed to follow due process. If Eddie Winter has been granted immunity then he is no longer considered a criminal. Unless he commits another crime, he is still considered a free man, he is not guilty of any crimes in the eyes of the law. Meanwhile, if Nick kills Eddie, Nick then becomes a criminal.
To add to your point, @Zach Antes -- the Sole Survivor ISN'T a detective, so he/she doesn't really have to follow due process. That burden is lifted slightly. Another thing I just realized was that I had no idea Eddie was actually ratting out his own crew in the holotapes. I'm so dense. xD
Lone survivor looks in the mirror.
"War, war never changes".
I guess you could say Nick has some... _Old World Blues_.
Moonlit Ghost that was my fav. The biolgical unit and the juke box had sexy voices. Dose the juke box have a blues modules or im just being an idiot.
Moonlit Ghost time to go back to the Big MT
MOBIOUS
I love you can I be your friend
There were Old World Blues, and New World Hope. And hope ruled the day in the Wastes.
i love how if your sarcastic with Nick he's sarcastic with you
Logan Reed ine does not simply be sarcastic with someone from Chicago
Logan Reed if i had a cap everytime he said the ass in a reply to my sarcastic comments i could probably buy a well upgraded 10mm pistol
thats why he is best companion ^_^
Not only that, but he fucking owns you. Nick's a fucking savage
they shouldve renamed the sarcastic dialogue to bully the synth
10:30 They missed the perfect opportunity to call it "Operation Winterfall"
Have you ever explored the relationship between Eddies last holotape, the one in the bunker, to fan theories about who/how the bombs got dropped? "His informant" told him they were coming, but clearly Eddie was working with/for the Federal Government, sums arms dealers, Russians etc, so who told him? How did they know? Does that play into the hurried pace of the Sanctuary Vault rep and his seeming to anticipate the bombs?
Why is Vault 76 full when the bombs go off?
Or maybe it was his gut feeling
This might be a leap in logic but it might be he saw this in a dream or a trip I live in Albuquerque New Mexico and I’ve heard of people dreaming mount Taylor erupting
Vault 76 was full at the drop of the bombs because it has no experiment, but it was not exactly a control vault. It contained the best and brightest West Virginians for the purpose of releasing them 25 years later and reclaiming the Appalachian Wasteland using the C.A.M.P. technology.
...unless that mention of Vault 76 was a typo.
He mentioned a Cloak and Dagger friend. What if that friend was Desmond from point lookout.
I mean technically Winter is Nicks "Kellogg"
Goes good with milk
@@holdenwalker7045 A part of a nutritious breakfast
Eddie winter voice is gangster
Kellogg’s Frosted Flakes
jimmyellison 0011
Best served cold.
This was the first quest I did after completing the main story, it was all because 'ol Nicky wouldn't shut up about it.
"How we doing on the hunt for Eddie's tapes?"
"How we doing on the hunt for Eddie's tapes?"
"How we doing on the hunt for Eddie's tapes?"
"How we doing on the hunt for Eddie's tapes?"
"How we doing on the hunt for Eddie's tapes?"
"How we doing on the hunt for Eddie's tapes?"
"How we doing on the hunt for Eddie's tapes?"
"There's a settlement in need, I'll mark it on your map."
I'LL FIND HIS TAPES OKAY?
*Edit:* I didn't know this would get so popular, wow.
Moon Kid e:he was doing the same thing to me I was like fine I'll find those damn tapes
Moon Kid wow that also happened to me
Moon Kid I hated that I started the quest too early in the game I went straight to diamond city after I joined the mm so every time I see Nick he's still asking me ...one day I'll look for them 😂😏
Probably in this place that is the perfect place for a mirelurk den. *Pushes Nick and X6-88 into the quarry*
Samuel Reyna you mean the KELLER family.
Long version, Eddie made a deal for immunity from prosecution in exchange for providing evidence against his criminal associates. Such bargains require that to be immune, one must confess those crimes which one would otherwise be held accountable for. Now, due to the minor matter of the end of civilisation as we know it in 2077, none of Eddie's associates was ever brought to trial, let alone to justice, the deal with the authorities is rendered null and void. That being the case, the fact that Eddie has confessed to crimes up to and including 1st degree murder (on which there is no statute of limitations) makes him a fugitive from justice and it is a citizen's _duty_ to aid in his apprehention, so when he pulls a gun he is killed resisting arrest. All legal and above board. Moral quandries, none.
Short version. Killing Eddie isn't murder, it's garbage disposal.
Man, this would've been a great dialogue option for a high-intelligence Nora. Considering she graduated from law school, she would've had enough knowledge of the pre-war legal system to come to that conclusion.
There's no government or law system there anyway. Who cares if his deal with some long-gone government was valid or not; that's entirely moot. Fallout is a world of kill or be killed, not of kill and go to prison.
Killing Eddie is not legal nor illegal. The morality of it, however, would only be loosely linked to the legality even if legality was a concept that existed in post-war Fallout.
Are you a lawyer?
Best comment on thread damn it
Nick is the best companion
Oh and can I just say that when you have codsworth as your equipped as your companion and transfer over to nick, codsworth says that he is the only one he trusts with his master (if your female he calls you mum, if your male the n he calls you sir).
Nick: "This rifle of mine glows with an awesome power! Its burning grip tells me to defeat you! Take this! My love, my anger, and all of my sorrow! SHINING LASER!"
G Gundam! Cool!
Jesus the in-game subtitles need a serious proofreading
I've played the whole game with them on, and yeah, there are a number of inaccuracies. She says Molly while the text reads Shamus is one of the more glaring ones, to be sure.
25:25 Charter =/= Prince Street 😂
cloak and dagger friend =/= army intelligence agent
Maybe Piper will.
mike Haley like one of the people from project cobalt
"Frozen banana" Nick Valentine - 2270s
Mitko Kondev. acctually it's the late 2280s
Don't forget about the Pastrami Golem! Its quite scrumptiously dangerous!
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*Sole Survivor hated that*
2287
*PERFECT SPOT FOR AN EDDIE DEN*
perfect spot for winter's end
S3kc13 Well ur getting on my nerves now please shut up and find a new way to get likes. I'm happy ur not on top now...
S3kc13 pefect spot for a perfect spot comment
lol... Frozen banana?
"There's always money IN the banana stand!"
THERE WAS 400 THOUSAND LINING THE WALLS!
I personally agree with the choice to murder Eddie Winter. Based on the lore of this the guy had it coming. If someone had killed someone I cred about I would want revenge, even if it took 200 years to avenge the person.
Eddie Wintuh. Soignin oaff.
B O S T O N accents yeeeeah
@@CaptainAwesome-mz6mt BONK
bahstin
Sit in yuh cah', oan thah counah'
This is a clear reference the the real life whitey burger from south Boston
It would be awesome if you could find the real Nick Valentine as a ghoul. Like, the original Nick Valentine became a ghoul and met the synth Nick two-hundred years later.
East Muppet of the Weast it actually be a cool concept but because of lore, and how nick obtain nick's memories, that would require a death from the human nick. so sadly i don't think it would happen, unless bethesda calls some loop hole
East Muppet of the Weast Like, you find him somewhere near or in the Boston Common and he asks our Nick to just end his life because he feels he's about to go feral. It's a heartfelt talk between the two and a gunshot is heard. I would love to see that!
Only activates after the whole Eddie conundrum.
East Muppet of the Weast perfect
Synth Nick would have so much emotional trauma to go over.
Eddie's bunker looks like *A PERFECT SPOT FOR A MIRELURK DEN*
Oh no mirelurks!
Bamboozled Again mirelurk den for a perfect spot
Bamboozled Again The root cellar is A PERFECT SPOT FOR A MIRELURK DEN
Juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugg
No, Eddie's bunker looks like *A PERFECT PLACE TO KILL SOMEONE*
2:08 This is why Nick is my favorite. He's got a sharp wit and always goes toe to toe with the character's sass and sarcasm
Personally I think synth nick avenged real nick and his fiancé in this quest, nick's story makes me hate the institute more for having him (the robot) go through hell pretty much and I'm glad eddy finally got what's comming, much like the whole Cabot family will in my gameplay, in the end this is just giving me more a reason to shoot father on sight, Shawn or not Shawn
Wait until you destroy the Institute.
so cit recorded nicks personality. nick then helped the ss find the institute and eventually destroy it. so the institute basically signed there own death warrant a hundred years before it existed. That's crazy
MQ what? No no you join the Institute and recycle Nick into something more useful, like a waste bin.
That's actually fucking badass
Floople,
You do that when you side with the -nazis- bos.
Floople Doop this needs to be a mod with full on German accents and ss uniforms it would be amazing
*there're
I'll be honest here:
1) This was justice, long overdue. There is an old saying that applies here. All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. It's pretty clear Winter was going to get back to business, and his crimes certainly had no statute of limitations in a legal sense. It was time to bring down the hammer.
2) This is what the Commonwealth has become. The only justice can be found at the muzzle of a gun for certain egregious crimes. Winter got his just desserts.
3) Sometimes closing a chapter is therapeutic. Valentine needed this to move one. He wasn't going to get it 200 years before; the bureaucracy of a federal government had stopped that one its tracks. Sometimes I think trying to get a bunch of gangsters leaves the door open for abuses, and one must be careful how to proceed. This was a case of when that can go wrong. Immunity when you proceed to commit the same crimes? There needs to be a point where you say 'no'.
Amen.
Mdr g pa lu
Sean Carroll I like your views on this subject and it got me thinking even if it wasn’t “his” memories, is easy to see how he views it, partly as avenging this woman in the past, and partly letting his mind rest. During your time with him he talks about being scared he’s going to lose memories as he ages , or a part of him because his mind is too full. The human brain is made to finish things, and if you don’t finish it the mind never lets it go, so all of Valentines unfinished cases, wearing away at his mind. Finishing the longest and most emotionally charged one he remembers, it has got to be a relief.
Nicks brain is a perfect spot for a miurlerk den
*wakes up inside the cryo chamber*
The man outside: THIS POD IS PERFECT FOR A MIRELURK DEN.
I think it was a cool story. I love how Nick is a good person and he did justice in my opinion. Eddie had it coming. Eddie deserved it.
I like the references to actual boston crime figures and situations. Howie Winter, Johnny Martorano, North vs south relations, etc. I think that's cool they took the time to do it.
Eddie Winters was also based on Whitey Bulger who was on the run for a long time before being caught
@@rayray6490he’s named after Howie Winter tho
26:11 huh, you can run Chrome and Firefox on computers 200 years after the apocalypse.
legit
I was wondering about that...
If the servers are still up then you can do it.
You do realize that computers in that universe r just basically big holotapes, right? They aren’t connected to WiFi or big networks because those don’t exist there.
Mister OMoney
Same as our computers were prior to the internet. Fallout terminals even use the same CL interface that DOS and Linux Bash use too
I honestly don't understand how you can keep up with your release schedule.. Daily 30+ minute videos with good research, good script, fitting background footage and editing, you must work your ass out for your channel. I was a big fan of yours from the early days of wow machinima but this is somehow even more impressive.
CPUzer0 sometimes double that
I wonder... did Winter ever come out of that bunker in the last 200 years? If not, then that sad sack just spent 2 centuries in a well furnished cell. A long wait for his Green Mile.
Some criminals wait decades on death row. Eddie got 200 years before he met his firing squad
Jesus when you put it like that, did eddy already serve his time then? A well furnished cell is still a cell after all and onto of that it was solitary confinement basicly, I absolutely think nick needed to kill eddy and eddy was just siting in purgatory anyways and if he left he wouldn't be a good to the commonwealth anyways so 🤷♀️ but the man did basicly serve 2 life sentences by the time he gets killed
@@darcismith7295Technically never did. He was let go for the information on other criminals related to his activities, which pissed off Nick Valentine to no end.
@@ntrunnrracl yeah it's why the death penalty isn't economically viable
"Get over yourself, it's not always about you."
This is Fallout 4, Nick. It kind of is all about us.
You use the word “fingered” to loosely
I was thinking the same thing
And you misused the word "to", so I guess we all have faults.
I mean in the context it works. It can mean to identify as responsible for wrongdoing or a crime, especially to the police: fingered the sales clerk as the thief.
b. To identify or designate as being responsible
So the usage checks out
thank gawd i am not the only one who got hung up on that
"Fingered" hasn't always meant what it does now. It also means to accuse someone of doing something or ratting someone out.
You really should have given Nick the Justice the Combat Shotgun for this quest
As for was it murder for Nick to kill Winter.. Id like to paraphrase the words of Mr Frank Castle..
"In certain extreme situations, the law is inadequate. In order to shame its inadequacy, it
is necessary to act outside the law. To pursue... natural justice. This is not vengeance. Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No, not vengeance. Punishment. "
I went into this mission exclusively with Kellogg’s pistol, and then gave nick Eddie’s piece. Both of use with the weapons of our enemies
??????
25:27
"...on 4 Charter Street."
Sorry Eddie, but the subtitles don't agree.
Mags Vecchio the journalist? LOL. Vecchio is the Italian word for old. Mags Vecchio = Old Magazines. Very clever there, Bethesda.
"What is it out there? A world of robot overlords?"
*Post Automatron*
Me: *Well...*
39:54 Something I also immediately remembered that you didn't mention, a real small detail, but worth noting nonetheless, is that he mentioned the guy had a theory. This is likely the same guy Curie talks about in one of her random throwaway lines triggered by encountering ghouls or feral ghouls.
Anyone else feel the irony of an institute character berating someone else about the morality of murder?
Simon Golding what are you talking? They only killed people they had to!
Synths and People who live on the surface don't count.
the power armor was repping the institute with the paint job.
@Gregory Smith he was given the mind of the real Nick Valentine. Of course he chose the same job
Hey Ox, could you make a video of essential lore for a roleplaying character who lived before the war? All the brands, all the news, etc... For Fallout 4 , and possibly the others!
please do a video on what the military did right after the bombs fell. there are several places where the military tried to keep control but failed like the hospitals and checkpoints
First Eddie Winter related tape I got: "We Are Done" inside BADTFL regional office. This tape says Nick Valentine was forced by his boss to go to the brain scan place and get his mind mapped or whatever (leading to the Valentine we know and love in a synth body). That tape got me curious so I did the whole questline with Nick. WORTH IT.
1:42
I don't know if anyone noticed, but, when nick is talking about the "one upon a time" stuff, we get to zoom in, and, I think it's cool!
Not just because he is my favourite companion or anything..... n-not at all.............
DON'T JUDGE ME!
I sense a character profile of Nicky coming up
Eddie's bunker looks like a perfect spot for a mirelurk den
SHUT UP ABOUT THE DAMN MIRELURK JOKES!!!!!
Yeah, clam up with the mirelurk jokes! They're getting old--much like an old abandoned bunker which, by the way, would be the perfect place for a mirelurk den.
Eddie winter= the real life Whitey Bulger. They got winter's name because Bulgers group was called the Winter Hill Gang.
RavageX-9 I was hoping someone would post this in the comments. Its one of the many tie-ins to real-life Boston in the game.
klesh lol, yeah i live in sc, but lived in ma most of my life. I was really surprised Oxhorn never mentioned the connection in the video. He's usually pretty good with that kinda stuff.
"Pastrami golem." Love it!
I was really hoping you would speak of how Eddie Winter was based off the former Irish mob boss Whitey Bulgar and how almost all of what happens within this Quest is fairly close to what actually happened. Of course, Whitey didn't turn into a ghoul or go into hiding in a sub shop, but he did get away with the shit he did in Southie for many years because of the fact that he became in FBI informant.
Also Eddie's name is clearly a play on words of Whitey (since they sound very similar) and Winter was most likely derived from Whiteys gangs name which was "The Winter Hill Gang".
I'm not sure if anyone outside of Boston would really get the reference as hes really only infamous within Boston (seriously no one outside of the city knows who the fuck I'm talking about when I bring this up), but I still think this is such a cool detail to an equal great quest.
35:08 your reaction when you watch terminator for 200 years
I know this was several years ago, but this story of Nick Valentine is a sad and beautiful one all at the same time.
thank you for your insight , time and patience doing this. I completed the game a couple of years ago but missed this quest.
thank you for sharing
Dude, Im sorry for the 12 year old dirty mind but your choice of words for incriminating was absolutely hilarious.
16:00 -16:40 reminds me of the story in the game SOMA since, the the main plot is around copying a mind and putting it into a robot 100 years later.
(Just a weird thought)
Soma. Soma D
I had my reservations about milling Eddie. I generally oppose going after decades old crimes, let alone centuries old ones. People change, grow. I believe in forgiveness.
But then I met him, and he was every bit the slimebucket he was 200 years ago. No remorse, no change. Clipping him is a public service.
it's two hundred year's late. But it's sweet justice!
Nick Valentine's story...This is true character development. His voice actor made this even better! Nuff said!
I wish there was more to Nick-(Suddenly remembers Far Harbor) I wish I could hug Nick!
Stephen Russell voices my 2 favourite companions in the game, Nick and Codsworth - and he puts so much emotion into both robos that they're more human than most of the people . Whatever they paid him it wasn't enough.
I just started playing this game and came across this channel looking up tips on what to do in the wasteland. I'm at level 41 now and the more of these videos I watch the more I realize I haven't even scraped the surface of the content this game has to offer.
Hey ox could you please do a video on the sight? You know mama Murphy's whole "drugs = mystic powers" thing
Where I want in fallout games
1: San Francisco
2: Dallas
3: Mexico city
4: London
5: Tokyo
6: Chicago
7: San Diego
8: New york
9:Ancorage
10: Paris
Ottawa, Quebec, Atlantis, North Korea
Name Password If Fallout ever took place in Texas, Houston, San Antonio or El Paso would be more interesting with better lore.
Do we know anything about what's going on in Europe? If Germany is (still) divided in the Fallout Universe, Berlin would be an interesting choice.
The moon
New Orleans. Mutated gators. 'Nuff said.
Nick Valentine sees this video
*instantly clicks the video*
Wo weird deja vu
This is why I watch these videos of yours, even despite multiple playthroughs I missed things that you didn't miss- Good work!
I really like Nick, and when I finished the quest with him, I was trying my best to make him feel better. Justice doesn't have hands, but that's what Nick and the ss are for, even if it is murder, we'd be preventing Eddie from emerging and causing problems, much like how we treat raiders.
I like watching Oxhorn because it helps me prevent from making bad choices in the game.
Preston Garvey like telling people about settlements
Talking about settlements
There's a settlement that needs your help I'll mark it on your map
There’s another settlement that needs your help There’s another settlement that needs your help There’s another settlement that needs your help There’s another settlement that needs your help There’s another settlement that needs your help
Oxhorn the OG when it comes to uploads.💪
TheOfficialPickles English please
S.Ahmad what
OG Original Gangster
Anyone else cringe when he says "he wanted to finger [insert name]"
Kyle The Celt I really didn't like that he kept saying Eddie was fingering people😂
Hey now, nothing wrong with a little friendly fingering. I'd be disappointed if he didn't finger his friends and family.
i know.
every time he said finger I imagined little ghoul eddie shoving his finger.................. uh, nevermind.
Actually I cringe when people unironically use the word "cringe."
Jorisuavz115 just running around Boston fingering people
I know what you mean when you say "to finger " but lmao
In the world of Fallout,locked doors can not blow up. Always need code, key, terminal or bobby pin to open them.
It's not murder it's called an extrajudicial killing so its okay.
It's not waterboarding, It's tactical baptism!
To be fair, the sole survivor is one of the few survivors from Eddie's time. Nobody else from that time is around to arrest him, try him, or sentence him. If he was caught in the 21st century he would have faced the death penalty or at the very least life in prison. I feel no guilt acting for the no longer surviving legal system.
Don't worry, the law enforcement suffered a bit in the last 210 years, the closest thing to a cop around here is a dude wearing sports equipment.
Ey, Its ya pall, shameus mcfuckyourself!
Winter- great, firstone to get throu My dorr is a wise ass
BEST DIALOG IN FO4 EVER!!!
Nick Valentine lol
This really set valentine apart as my clear favorite companion in the game.
You gotta love the winter hill gang references for people from Boston some of this shit is mad funny.
The whole eddie "winters" things is a whitey boulger ref literally the same story minus the lasers lmao
Still pretty funny to see that he doesn’t go straight to fighting after threatening him but amazed at someone cracking his holotapes after 200 years
I can't wait until you do the Sierra Madre.
Masterful job as always Oxhorn, keep up the good work!
Aah ... Dead Money! Eddie wanted to “Begin Again” but Nick didn’t “Let Go!” And if we thought what was done to Christine (forcibly given someone else’s voice) was bad, Nick being given an entire new mechanical body and waking up in a chaotic wasteland is worse!
This one broke my heart for old Valentine. Wow.
Imagine someone making a movie out of this. It's an interesting story in itself, as well as giving an example as to why gamers get so attached to video game stories
2:52 Nick became a synth who thought he was human before it was fashionable!
"Eddie, it's me your old friend, Shamus McFUCKYOURSELF!" I just love that line in the entire game
It took me the longest time to figure out why they got rid of the karma system, but I realize this:
In fallout 4 nothing is so black and white, but rather everything is in shades of grey, the factions for instance, they each believe they are doing the right thing for the Commonwealth, yet there is no right answer.
I could just by typing this because I'm drunk, but I believe getting rid of the karma system ironically actually makes people think about what is the right or wrong thing to do.
Nah, you're a smart cookie. Don't doubt yourself.
Finally, someone that realizes that karma was stupid.
I actually never liked the karma system, for the simple fact that everyone’s morals are different, its hard to say whats “moral” and whats not, its all how the player views it.
When I did this quest my game glitched and sent me to a loading screen then when I came back Eddie winter was dead I was so confused
How we doing on the hunt for Eddie's tapes?
200 years passed, these tapes no longer be playable anyway.
Oops, my mistake.
Kaaz are you Norwegian?
Epicskeleton
Indeed
Kaaz hvordan gjetta jeg det?
profilbilda?
The winter hill gang Jonny murderanto. Whitey Bolger. I see where they got the idea for this from.
I just have to say I have watched dozens of Oxhorn's videos because they are just so amazing. But I always grin a bit when he pauses picking up items while there is dialog occurring and actually times the break in dialog to pick up items so it doesn't disturb the flow :) (see right around 38:49) These little attentions to detail are all over these but this one makes me smile! 👍
how did the pre war Valentine die??
Königstiger in a freak fidget spinner incident
thats gotta kill man
Königstiger After the death of his fiance, the original Nick Valentine was referred to a place for grief counseling. My best guess is that it likely turned out to be a place for harvesting people's brains for study. Maybe they just scanned his brain and let him go on his merry way. But this is Fallout we're talking about, so I'm not optimistic about that.
ingasparrow and Lora Elstad have good points, but let's not forget the possibility that he was probably another victim of the Great War
Anal
oxhorn you should be in fallout 5 as a merc for hire.
someone should make a companion mod with Oxhorn
they should
John-Stanley McGovern I think there is one, if I find it again I'll link it
there's a mod for that
OMG yes he should be like a annoying know it all but as you get to know him he stops and let you kinda go into control. Oooooohh and he could have a family that he leaves to protect
Eddie Winter was a serious piece of work. Involved with all manner of crimes, responsible for dozens if not hundreds of deaths directly or indirectly. Turned on the other mobsters, even his own family to stay out of jail. Used his girlfriend and implicated her in those holotapes. The man had no heart, no compassion, no remorse and was both literally and figuratively drenched in blood. And worse was he got away with it. I suppose you could argue that 210 years in a bunker would be punishment for a crime.. but is it really a punishment when you set it up yourself and could leave at any time?
No, the man had what was coming to him many times over. He wasn't repentant, he would and planned to do it all over again if he had the chance. Letting Nick gun down Eddie may have been vengance, but it was also justice, more than 200 years overdue.
Eddie Winter was inspired by Whitey Bulger, the former organized crime boss of the Winter Hill Gang of Boston. There's a great movie about him called "Black Mass".
If you’re reading this, you’re, to me, the best Fallout 4 UA-camr I’ve literally ever watched, I love to see your new uploads, I love to hear the ding noise and reading that you uploaded a new video, I love your voice, and thank you for being supportive of is
I kinda wish this questline involved using the memory den to go back and interact with the original Nick Valentine. Imagine plugging into his brain again to help him look for clues that he can't recall.
Can you level up your character in Fallout New Vegas so next time you upload a New Vegas lore video you can pick more dialogue options
Troll Man In order to get Raul as a companion, high levels of lockpick, repair and science is a must. Repair makes settling things with Tabatha waaaaay easier and you get a better ending, too.
Actually, you don't need jack shit to get Raul, you can use the other terminal to get the password from the last entry (123456789).
Sure, you get a better ending if you fix Rhonda, but Raul is totally worth a worse ending.
Mr. Trox I was referring to a better ending for Tabatha.
yeah it is vengeance plain and simple there, nick's emotions were playing judge jury and executioner but that doesn't mean Winter's death is a bad thing.
I mean it's not justice when I slaughter paradise falls but it is sure as hell a just action.
Everytime the Sole Surviver talks, I remember the days when Bethesda had decent writers.
Throughout our lives, we make decisions and choices that have consequences. We get what’s coming to us.
In this case, I like to say that Nick Valentine the Synth was what Eddie Winter had coming to *him*.
The fact that nick went through all that just man Jesus it really changes your perspective on him