Dude I’ve loved your guide for years now and now I found your videos. Your sense of humor, presentation, and editing is amazing you should keep making videos my dude!
greg i respect your honesty at the end of this video, thank you for t getting right to the point subscribing look forward more content and thank you for the knowledge, and spoiler alert if anyone is wondering about this card for a 2006 1,1 even maxed out spec... in my opinion it not worth it, unless its dirt cheap or free/ thanks again Greg
Thank you for the great videos and Upgrade Guide, Greg. I just got an Allegro Pro Type-A USB 3.2 Gen2 PCIe card on my 5,1, and it shows 751 MB/s read and 728 write with a T7 like yours, using the Mac version of AmorphousDiskMark 4.0. I'm doing further checks, and asked Sonnet about it. I'll keep you posted.
@@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur Thank you for the heads up! I forgot about updating this comment. After a longish exchange with (the great) Sonnet Customer Service, they confirmed that their speed rates were done on a tailor-made system, and it could not be reproduced on a cMP. 😞
@@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur if you want more information, you can give a look at my video about transfer rates on the cMP 5,1 at: ua-cam.com/video/fwyJVt70FLY/v-deo.html
@@massimodemajo just watched your video. So if you have a card with multiple controllers and say 4 ssd’s attached. What application can stream that amount of data and usefully work with it?
Thanks for Sharing these tutorials on old Mac Pro's, I see Old Comments on your Tutorials, I hope your still around. I have a Old Mac Pro and just Recently started to Resurrect it, I had it in Moth-Balls, it started to do a Weird Reboot Loop and would never come on, it would go into a weird Analyze thing on the Screen and try to Reboot, this would go on for ever, I decided to just turn it off and not deal with it sense I bought at the time a MacBook Pro, that became my Desktop computer. Well after seeing Tutorials on the Old Mac Pro's and how most of these Video's are saying, don't give up on your Old Mac Pro, these Upgrades well bring your old Mac Pro up to speed and be just as fast as a New MacBook Pro, Awesome. So I fixed the Reboot Problem, found out I used one of my Internal HardDrives with a Newer Operating System, just to see if I could use it, well that didn't work out to well, installed a fresh High Sierra OS on one of the HardDrives and fixed the Problem, started to Reformat the Other HardDrive, erase them, put the lasted Reading Format on them the APFS and got some SSD HardDrives from Other World Computing, every Mac User should now this Company, they are pretty good, except be careful on some of there Software their pushing, one didn't turn out very well. So in my old MacBook Pro, I used allot of there Gadgets, it's Awesome you can put two HardDrive in a old MacBook Pro, where the Super Drive is, there's a Gadget to Replace the SuperDrive and install a Extra HardDrive, Awesome, now I have Two HardDrive's in MacBook Pro. Also put in my main HardDrive a SSD HardDrive from OWD, acts like a Brand New Computer, Apps, instantly come on the Reboot time is nothing. The only Drawback on this Old MacBook Pro is the Ram, wish I can put more Ram in, if I have allot of Tabs on it slow's down, these extra Tabs are not running but waiting for me to look at, I see in the Newer MacBook Pro, it Utilizes the SSD HardDRive as More Ram to use, wish this old MacBook Pro did the same. A Brief History on my Old Mac Pro, Sure hope you haven't Given up, I see in the Video you give a Honest response on making these Video's, sure hope your doing ok. I'll list Cool Gadgets that made my Reformatting Possible when trying to fix my HardDrive's, these are Essential to Reformatting and seeing what's on your HardDrive, www.amazon.com/dp/B00MVRS38G?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1
@@dmug Ok, good to hear. You should do more Mac Pro Video's the one I'm hoping well go with out a hitch is the Bluetooth upgrade install, I was hoping for a higher end model on the Bluetooth, like the 5.2 series the one I found is the 4.2 I see a few videos's on the install, what a little confusing are the antenna placements, I do believe there are three antenna placements. Good to hear your still around, keep those video's coming
You’re doing what I was so desperately looking for when I upgraded. This will help so many people, and point them to the guide. Love the personality and experimentation. So much so, that I’d pledge 5 USD toward the USB C 3.2 Ethernet experiment. 🤘🏻
Good video, thanks again. 👍🏻 I have the green 100+€ Sonnet Allegro USB 3.1 USB-C -card. They did screw up one thing: the USB-ports are installed too low. When the card is installed to a 5.1 cMP I cannot insert the USB-C -cable connector completely, it hits the case metal support on the cMP PCIe-slots. I can see in your video that you could not insert it completely either. In my cMP this causes random USB-device drops with you didn't eject the drive correctly -errors. And I am not the only one, Amazon reviews on this product has few others complaining about the same design error. And Sonnet does not answer questions about this. First time I have to say I don't like Sonnet as a company. Other brand cards do not have this problem. Sonnet designer really dropped the ball while placing the ports and the company never caught this mistake before going to production. And how they handle the problem? They don't. Shame on you Sonnet. BTW. no offense intended but you could play the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyi in a Hollywood movie. I mean - you could be brothers. 😉
Video over usb isn’t exclusively thunderbolt, the hubs I used aren’t Thunderbolt at all, they use the usb displayport multifunction which requires the host to support this. Thunderbolt always has this functionality whereas few usb hosts do. It’s how the (now defunct) MacBook could do video out with only usb or how using a Thunderbolt card in a Mac Pro can output vid. To my knowledge there aren’t Mac compatible host cards. I figured might as well try the HDMI port if I’m plugging stuff in but I probably should have clarified this.
I enjoyed your insights and video. I can see how much work you put into it. If the animations took up too much time with key frames etc, it’s just easier to cover with product shots. In this particular video, The information on your script is more important than the visuals. Love the Mac Pro, but I think the limitations are starting to show its age.
Just talking over slides is kinda boring for me to make and viewers to watch. And the era of the cMP is more or less over outside of special use cases. Whenever Apple Silicon gets an update that gives the Mac Mini better specs (more GPU horsepower, ability to drive more than 2 monitors, more RAM and more CPU cores) there won't be a lot of reason to use the old Mac Pros.
The expensive Allegro controller-per-port is the only card that should be considered. I found this out the hard way. Buying one, then the other. The old Mac Pro’s real Achilles heel is the PCIe 2.0 limitation. That said, I am very happy with the speed of my heavily tricked out 5,1. I plan to use it right up to the day I give it to a museum. USBc is not a data transport. It is a connector. So rarely is this mentioned. Thank you for leading with that.
Hi Greg thanks for the video and all your efforts;) I just bought Mac Pro 2010 (2 x 6 core xeon), firmware updated to 144.0.0.0, Mojave on it, and Inateck 4004 which is listed on your great website. However, this card, Inateck seems to be completely unstable. When two ports are already busy, the other two do not work. When the computer goes to sleep, the disks are improperly disconnected. Also, the speed test shows different values depending on the particular system startup or some other factors I don't know. Is it possible to upgrade this card or replace it with another one such as Sonnet Allegro Type A USB 3.2 PCIe 4-Port (4-port, SuperSpeed USB-A 5Gbps [USB 3.2 Gen 1]? Is it better and will solve the mentioned problems? I would appreciate any answer or link to a site where I can find some information on this topic. Thanks a lot in advance!
Thanks, these videos are more time consuming than the Mac Pro Upgrade Guide but also more challenging. This isn't to say writing is harder but just that I have total editorial oversight.
I know you assume the HDMI port won't work, but why? Can a USB to DVI cable work to connect a display to one of these cards? I have a Mac Pro (4,1-5,1) Running Big Sur using Opencore Legacy Patcher, and it has a generic (not sonnet) USBC 3.2 card, which works fine, but doesn't support video and I am wondering why? Thanks for the videos!
Are the Sonnet Allegro USB 3.0 PCIe add-in cards bootable? I'm having a hard time finding a definitive answer on this topic. The majority of articles I've read state that no add-in USB card is bootable but some say they've had success as long as your motherboard already HAS on-board USB 3.0? would like to get a USB 3.0 card for my Mac Pro 5,1 but only if it can boot from the USB ports. thanks!
Greg! As usual, another great, ultra informative video. I don't know if anyone has ever asked, but you started your video with audio equipment. I would like to get into making my own. What equipment would you suggest and how much did you spend on it? Just what you made sounded good. I'm not saying I want to start DJ-ing, but I would like to make beats of my own to play for my students. If you have a second to reply, I would really appreciate it. You've been really helpful in extending the life of my old 2010 Mac Pro. That's very much appreciated! Take care.
In my first video or two, I used my iPhone 12 Pro. I had an Olympus EM-5 MK I, and then it died, so I bought the MK III and started using it for video. The big thing is I already have a $1000 lens for it, so it just made sense to use even if its not the best video camera, as I originally used my EM-5 MK I for photography. I've seen a few people I know through youtube use the iPhone 13, and the video is much better than the 12. The big key with the iPhone is using a good lavaliere mic. As a videographer, I'm not very good, and it shows quite a bit, but I've gotten marginally better. Getting umbrella lights helped (and it was cheap), and I also ended up buying a gimbal which I use now for handle-held shots (you'll see it being used in the M1 Max review quite a bit). If I were to be starting out, I'd just buy inexpensive umbrella lights, an iPhone 13 Pro, and a wireless lavalier mic. The music stuff has been a very long hobby that I'm about 2 decades into. Reason was the first audio app that really had me making my own music. It wasn't good, but it was entirely my own. Reason is still around, and it is excellent for a first audio app. It's interesting as it mimics a hardware rack and even lets you route audio by wiring it up. It's intuitive and honestly is good enough to teach you how analog routing was done, but it's also not cheap. That may or may not be of interest. The best value, hands down, is Logic Pro, as it comes with a heap of professional-grade plugins and fairly solid virtual instruments. With your education discount, you can get Final Cut Pro / Logic / Compressor / Motion / Mainstage for $199. I use Final Cut Pro + Compressor + Motion for every video and have used an instrumental or two made in Logic Pro. I'm not as in love with Logic (I love Cubase personally), and I also own Ableton Live. Each has pros and cons. The biggest thing is just committing to one. Ableton has a cultish following, I like it but do not love it. I appreciate though it gets you to making music quickly even if I find "scenes" not my particular liking.
I love your channel Greg. Im about to buy a trash can Mac to fuck around with. Probably just bare metal linux on it. Linux bare metal runs amazingly on old Macs
Man digging up my early work when I was in my brother’s cidery. Yeah, I’ve set up mint Linux on my black MacBook and Ubuntu on my mini pc. I’ll probably do Linux on the Mac mini.
Y’know that’s actually something that stunps me. I never tried booting off of USB 3.1c on my classic Mac Pro but I did off a sonnet usb card on my 2019 for boot camp. My guess is the sonnet cards would be the same. I’d suggest asking in Facebook, reddit or macrumors forums to be extra safe
Hi Greg, thnx a lot for the video. It all makes things a little bit more clear. But still i have one question unanswered. I have the Sonnet Allegro USB-A 3.0 installed in my Mac Pro 5.1 and i want to use this port as a video output for a 4K/60Hz monitor. Is this possible?
Greg, to simplify the question, do you have any problems with Sonnet Allegro cards when your Mac Pro goes to sleep? Did they disconnect hard or flash drives?
Yep, all USB devices are disconnected, its a design fault of the classic Mac Pros. The 7,1s (and I think 6,1s) actually properly eject on sleep. There's always Fix-usb-sleep, but unsure if it works in Catalina and above. github.com/syscl/Fix-usb-sleep
@@dmug Thank you very much for the answer sir! I'll stick with Mojave for a while so Catalina and above would not be a problem. I guess you already tested that patch for usb sleep?
thanks very very good and appreciated. what reasonable priced graphic card for my 2010 6 core mac pro that can handle vr...you have probably answered it somewhere but i have not found it -all the best for 2022
This video I made covers the best, as far as reasonable priced? There aren't any. Low as I'd go is an RX 580 but would really shoot for a Vega 56. GPU episode: ua-cam.com/video/W2CI-98adFE/v-deo.html Also you can check out the vid on the Quest and my experience with the Mac Pro. It's not perfect but it works. ua-cam.com/video/8RnAPiC3uNs/v-deo.html
I am having this issue at the moment. I already installed Titan ridge Thunderbolt, can I used USB c with this or which would be the best SD card reader?
Hey, I have been looking through your videos but can't find where you talk about the RAM you installed, could you please let me know which RAM you are using on your 2009 MacPro ? Thank you
@@dmug Thank you for your response, I see you used Rams with heat sinks but I can't find any on Amazon etc. do you think its better to have heat sinks or are the same as the A-Tech for example ? Thanks again!
@@cryptocurrent8106 Oh, you specifically wanted to know what RAM I was using, it's just Samsung RDIMMs. Back when I bought it, was $.25 more per DIMM to get the shield variety of Aliexpress so I was like "sure, why not". Based on the photos, the shielded variety was Samsung and the unshielded was Hynix. It's not necessary, especially with the 4,1/5,1 design with the fan chamber as the Mac can detect the temperature. There's little benefit, it might dissipate heat a little better. If you have MacsFanControl installed, you can monitor the RAM temps. I didn't notice any meaningful change between having RAM without heat sinks vs having it. The vendor I used stopped selling it.
@@dmug Great, thanks, I bought the OWC 48GB (3X 16GB) Matched Pair 1333MHz 240-Pin SDRAM DIMM DDR3 (PC10600) Memory Upgrade Kit for PC Desktops, Mac Pro 'Nehalem' & 'Westmere', I will check your guide for resetting the NVRam, I am sure its in there, correct? Thanks for your help!!
Can we plug in the AMD Radeon Pro W5700 8GB GDDR6 into an Mojave Mac Pro 4.1/5.1? I am looking for a graphics card that is as modern as possible, with PCI Express 3.0 or better, which runs under Mojave also in my 5.1, but also later in my 7.1!
MacBook Air M1 256/16GB Ram, I run my Parallels VMs off the SSD. I get… SATA SSD performance, but it depends largely on the OS. Win10 is slow, Win11 is slower, Ubuntu 22.04 is fast as balls, but CentOS Stream 9 is super fast
Probably not? I can't recall off the top of head as I've never used one what the performance is over USBc and if it has issues with hot swapping USBc. If you're able to get 1000 MB/s with an external SSD then you're golden.
Not sure what you mean by build, pretty much any m1 “build” is just a care mod, ripping a Mac mini out of its case and sticking itself something else. Almost certainly someone with the right machining abilities could make a Mac mini look like 2013 but it wouldn’t be any functionally different than the Mac mini
Is USB-C worth it on a Mac Pro? That depends on what you need it for. But, if the upgrade doesn't cost much to get and isn't difficult to do, then why not?
DosDude1 though means non-native thus no updates via the software update, Boot picker screen, DRM decoding + Hardware acceleration for encode/decode meaning you're not capped on services like Netflix to 720p. It is a pain but if you're looking to get the most out of the cMP, its OpenCore.
Yep, USBc is the connector hence why I spent like 4 minutes talking about it but most people think of the later generations of USB as "USBc" hence the title.
Is not the issue with the 5,1 mac pro that the PCI slots are PCI 2.0 which is 5Gb/s on a 4x slot and 8Gb/s on a 16x slot See. the "History and revisions" section: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express
Good question. USB 3.1c Gen 2 is limited to 1250 MB/s (10 Gbit). It should be totally obtainable in the 4x PCIe 2.0 slot as it's theoretical limit is 2000 MB/s but in real world application is limited roughly 1500 MB/s. You can observe the limits of PCIe 2.0's 4x port when sticking an NVMe drive into one of the slots as it'll be capped to 1500~ MB/s. The card itself is only a 4x card (you can see it by the pinouts) so it can't take advantage of any more bandwidth offered by the 16x slots.
ok got it thanks. it a function of the number of lanes and bandwidth per lane. All I wanted to do was make a puchase decision and not have to learn about the history and implementation of PCI. I'm a consumer, Jim, not an engineer! :)
@@plextoob Understandable. USB hasn't made life easier. I did make a nice human readable charts and explanation of PCIe in the Definitive Mac Pro Upgrade Guide. The link will take you to that section. blog.greggant.com/posts/2018/05/07/definitive-mac-pro-upgrade-guide.html#pcie
Hi, I watch your videos, because they are very interesting. My problem is that I don't speak English, so sometimes I don't understand well and so I would like to ask you a question: I have a Mac Pro 5.1 Mid 2010 with 24GB of ram and I have mounted an AMD Radeon R9 280X 3GB video card that supports Metal and as a system I have Mojave and everything works fine. I would like to know if this sonnet allegro card is also compatible to be able to connect the latest generation of professional sound cards, because I would like to upgrade my Pro Tools 10 that at this moment I use with a second HD with Mountain Lion, because it doesn't work any more, but the sound card in my possession is not compatible with Mojave. I think I have given you enough info to be able to get an answer. Thank you
Probably but with a lot of asterisks. You'd need to use macOS 10.11.x as it has the USB 3.1 Gen 2 support, and you'd need allocate the PCIe properly so that the you're using a 4x Port with a 4x card, and you'd probably be capped to 750 MB/s a sec since its PCIe 1.0. A USB 3.0 (or USB 3.2 Gen 1 card) wouldn't be all that much slower.
Hey Greg... like you... I'm still running Mojave on my 5,1. The promise of upgrading to an unsupported OS like Big Sur on the 5,1 appears to be evolving by the minute. Most recently I discovered this video that suggests the 5,1 will run even the latest version of Big Sur well: ua-cam.com/video/znlhI6f7x1Q/v-deo.html I'd love to try Big Sur but haven't because I'm fearful doing so will break something I'll lack the skills to recover from. What's your perspective on trying Big Sur on your 5,1?
I’ve tried correcting Mr Macintosh a few times on FB (not knowing he’s a known UA-camr), he’s knowledgeable but without watching the video in its entirety I can tell from the post date he may not be giving the best advice. macOS 11.3 introduced a bug for the classic Mac Pros. As of Sunday, a big breakthrough happened where a huge glitch with the boot sequence was fixed. It’s called SurPlus, and now part of the OpenCore which means you can run macOS 11.3 and above safely.
@@dmug Thanks for your reply, Greg. Given your Mac experience and with the added benefits of SurPlus, would you be comfortable running the latest version of Big Sur on the 5,1? Do you feel the 5,1 would run reliably on it?
@@inspiration151 I’d say yes, the Latebloom fix was originally effective enough that people have been running Big Sur 11.3+ for months now, which was a band aid fix that stopped a cryptography function from having a recursive loop. SurPlus just makes that condition never come up in the first place. The macrumors forum has a lot of success stories. I don’t have my 5,1s anymore but I’ll be putting it on my 3,1. I was stuck at Mojave because of piece of audio hardware but I bought a MacBook Air 2015 just for it and my MacBook Air M1 and 2019 Mac Pro can’t run Mojave even if I wanted.
Dude, slow down and annunciate. "Exactly" is not the same as "about." About mean approximately while exactly means, exactly. You have a lot of good information but the presentation could be much better.
Greg, your DMPUG is the first link I send to anyone asking cMP upgrade questions. Glad to see all the information in one place.
Thanks a bunch, a lot of time and energy went into it.
Dude I’ve loved your guide for years now and now I found your videos. Your sense of humor, presentation, and editing is amazing you should keep making videos my dude!
Hey Greg, your webpage is invaluable, glad to see you here on UA-cam, your videos are great quality, looking forward to more. Subscribed.
Absolutely.
Love your videos and your blog... such a great resource. Thanks so much Greg!
greg i respect your honesty at the end of this video, thank you for t getting right to the point subscribing look forward more content and thank you for the knowledge, and spoiler alert if anyone is wondering about this card for a 2006 1,1 even maxed out spec... in my opinion it not worth it, unless its dirt cheap or free/ thanks again Greg
Thank you for the great videos and Upgrade Guide, Greg. I just got an Allegro Pro Type-A USB 3.2 Gen2 PCIe card on my 5,1, and it shows 751 MB/s read and 728 write with a T7 like yours, using the Mac version of AmorphousDiskMark 4.0. I'm doing further checks, and asked Sonnet about it. I'll keep you posted.
Could you update us? It has been 6 months since you commented here.
@@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur Thank you for the heads up! I forgot about updating this comment. After a longish exchange with (the great) Sonnet Customer Service, they confirmed that their speed rates were done on a tailor-made system, and it could not be reproduced on a cMP. 😞
@@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur if you want more information, you can give a look at my video about transfer rates on the cMP 5,1 at:
ua-cam.com/video/fwyJVt70FLY/v-deo.html
@@massimodemajo thank you. I will.
@@massimodemajo just watched your video. So if you have a card with multiple controllers and say 4 ssd’s attached. What application can stream that amount of data and usefully work with it?
Keep making these videos! Enjoyed this, also thanks for going through the trouble!
Thanks for Sharing these tutorials on old Mac Pro's, I see Old Comments on your Tutorials, I hope your still around. I have a Old Mac Pro and just Recently started to Resurrect it, I had it in Moth-Balls, it started to do a Weird Reboot Loop and would never come on, it would go into a weird Analyze thing on the Screen and try to Reboot, this would go on for ever, I decided to just turn it off and not deal with it sense I bought at the time a MacBook Pro, that became my Desktop computer. Well after seeing Tutorials on the Old Mac Pro's and how most of these Video's are saying, don't give up on your Old Mac Pro, these Upgrades well bring your old Mac Pro up to speed and be just as fast as a New MacBook Pro, Awesome. So I fixed the Reboot Problem, found out I used one of my Internal HardDrives with a Newer Operating System, just to see if I could use it, well that didn't work out to well, installed a fresh High Sierra OS on one of the HardDrives and fixed the Problem, started to Reformat the Other HardDrive, erase them, put the lasted Reading Format on them the APFS and got some SSD HardDrives from Other World Computing, every Mac User should now this Company, they are pretty good, except be careful on some of there Software their pushing, one didn't turn out very well. So in my old MacBook Pro, I used allot of there Gadgets, it's Awesome you can put two HardDrive in a old MacBook Pro, where the Super Drive is, there's a Gadget to Replace the SuperDrive and install a Extra HardDrive, Awesome, now I have Two HardDrive's in MacBook Pro. Also put in my main HardDrive a SSD HardDrive from OWD, acts like a Brand New Computer, Apps, instantly come on the Reboot time is nothing. The only Drawback on this Old MacBook Pro is the Ram, wish I can put more Ram in, if I have allot of Tabs on it slow's down, these extra Tabs are not running but waiting for me to look at, I see in the Newer MacBook Pro, it Utilizes the SSD HardDRive as More Ram to use, wish this old MacBook Pro did the same. A Brief History on my Old Mac Pro, Sure hope you haven't Given up, I see in the Video you give a Honest response on making these Video's, sure hope your doing ok. I'll list Cool Gadgets that made my Reformatting Possible when trying to fix my HardDrive's, these are Essential to Reformatting and seeing what's on your HardDrive, www.amazon.com/dp/B00MVRS38G?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1
Yep, I’m around. Just been busy is all.
@@dmug Ok, good to hear. You should do more Mac Pro Video's the one I'm hoping well go with out a hitch is the Bluetooth upgrade install, I was hoping for a higher end model on the Bluetooth, like the 5.2 series the one I found is the 4.2 I see a few videos's on the install, what a little confusing are the antenna placements, I do believe there are three antenna placements. Good to hear your still around, keep those video's coming
Great video!
I think you should dive into the world of OpenCore and upgrade your CMP to Catalina or Big Sur.
Bruh, you and your channel are so wholesome 🙌
You’re doing what I was so desperately looking for when I upgraded. This will help so many people, and point them to the guide. Love the personality and experimentation. So much so, that I’d pledge 5 USD toward the USB C 3.2 Ethernet experiment. 🤘🏻
I really appreciate that, eventually I need to explore funding for the more edge cases. For now, I have some other video subjects that I can do.
Good video, thanks again. 👍🏻 I have the green 100+€ Sonnet Allegro USB 3.1 USB-C -card. They did screw up one thing: the USB-ports are installed too low. When the card is installed to a 5.1 cMP I cannot insert the USB-C -cable connector completely, it hits the case metal support on the cMP PCIe-slots. I can see in your video that you could not insert it completely either.
In my cMP this causes random USB-device drops with you didn't eject the drive correctly -errors. And I am not the only one, Amazon reviews on this product has few others complaining about the same design error. And Sonnet does not answer questions about this. First time I have to say I don't like Sonnet as a company. Other brand cards do not have this problem. Sonnet designer really dropped the ball while placing the ports and the company never caught this mistake before going to production. And how they handle the problem? They don't. Shame on you Sonnet.
BTW. no offense intended but you could play the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyi in a Hollywood movie. I mean - you could be brothers. 😉
Let’s not overlook the fact that you effortlessly created a boom bap beat and it’s not trash bro
Bro, amazing channel. Me and my 5,1 thank you immensely 🍎 🔥
Very nice and useful video ! Congratulations!
The HDMI port will only work when plugged into a thunderbolt enabled port. Great video by the way.
Video over usb isn’t exclusively thunderbolt, the hubs I used aren’t Thunderbolt at all, they use the usb displayport multifunction which requires the host to support this. Thunderbolt always has this functionality whereas few usb hosts do.
It’s how the (now defunct) MacBook could do video out with only usb or how using a Thunderbolt card in a Mac Pro can output vid. To my knowledge there aren’t Mac compatible host cards. I figured might as well try the HDMI port if I’m plugging stuff in but I probably should have clarified this.
I enjoyed your insights and video. I can see how much work you put into it. If the animations took up too much time with key frames etc, it’s just easier to cover with product shots. In this particular video, The information on your script is more important than the visuals. Love the Mac Pro, but I think the limitations are starting to show its age.
Just talking over slides is kinda boring for me to make and viewers to watch.
And the era of the cMP is more or less over outside of special use cases. Whenever Apple Silicon gets an update that gives the Mac Mini better specs (more GPU horsepower, ability to drive more than 2 monitors, more RAM and more CPU cores) there won't be a lot of reason to use the old Mac Pros.
Great job on the video Greg.
Thanks this was helpful as i do have old pci e 3.0 card now that huge jump
What an introduction my friend , 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
I take it’s the musical part and not my mug, I’m still awkward AF in the camera
The expensive Allegro controller-per-port is the only card that should be considered. I found this out the hard way. Buying one, then the other.
The old Mac Pro’s real Achilles heel is the PCIe 2.0 limitation. That said, I am very happy with the speed of my heavily tricked out 5,1. I plan to use it right up to the day I give it to a museum.
USBc is not a data transport. It is a connector. So rarely is this mentioned. Thank you for leading with that.
Thanks Greg! Great stuff
Glad people still are enjoying this video. I felt like this was the first of my vids that wasn't terrible :)
Hi Greg thanks for the video and all your efforts;) I just bought Mac Pro 2010 (2 x 6 core xeon), firmware updated to 144.0.0.0, Mojave on it, and Inateck 4004 which is listed on your great website. However, this card, Inateck seems to be completely unstable. When two ports are already busy, the other two do not work. When the computer goes to sleep, the disks are improperly disconnected. Also, the speed test shows different values depending on the particular system startup or some other factors I don't know. Is it possible to upgrade this card or replace it with another one such as Sonnet Allegro Type A USB 3.2 PCIe 4-Port (4-port, SuperSpeed USB-A 5Gbps [USB 3.2 Gen 1]? Is it better and will solve the mentioned problems? I would appreciate any answer or link to a site where I can find some information on this topic. Thanks a lot in advance!
Same here!
Really enjoyed your video.
Thanks, these videos are more time consuming than the Mac Pro Upgrade Guide but also more challenging. This isn't to say writing is harder but just that I have total editorial oversight.
Greg - You ROCK! - Great videos.
Glad people are still watching this one, I felt like this was the first vid I made that wasn't terrible :)
I know you assume the HDMI port won't work, but why? Can a USB to DVI cable work to connect a display to one of these cards? I have a Mac Pro (4,1-5,1) Running Big Sur using Opencore Legacy Patcher, and it has a generic (not sonnet) USBC 3.2 card, which works fine, but doesn't support video and I am wondering why? Thanks for the videos!
Are the Sonnet Allegro USB 3.0 PCIe add-in cards bootable? I'm having a hard time finding a definitive answer on this topic. The majority of articles I've read state that no add-in USB card is bootable but some say they've had success as long as your motherboard already HAS on-board USB 3.0? would like to get a USB 3.0 card for my Mac Pro 5,1 but only if it can boot from the USB ports. thanks!
Greg! As usual, another great, ultra informative video. I don't know if anyone has ever asked, but you started your video with audio equipment. I would like to get into making my own. What equipment would you suggest and how much did you spend on it? Just what you made sounded good. I'm not saying I want to start DJ-ing, but I would like to make beats of my own to play for my students. If you have a second to reply, I would really appreciate it. You've been really helpful in extending the life of my old 2010 Mac Pro. That's very much appreciated! Take care.
In my first video or two, I used my iPhone 12 Pro. I had an Olympus EM-5 MK I, and then it died, so I bought the MK III and started using it for video. The big thing is I already have a $1000 lens for it, so it just made sense to use even if its not the best video camera, as I originally used my EM-5 MK I for photography. I've seen a few people I know through youtube use the iPhone 13, and the video is much better than the 12. The big key with the iPhone is using a good lavaliere mic. As a videographer, I'm not very good, and it shows quite a bit, but I've gotten marginally better. Getting umbrella lights helped (and it was cheap), and I also ended up buying a gimbal which I use now for handle-held shots (you'll see it being used in the M1 Max review quite a bit). If I were to be starting out, I'd just buy inexpensive umbrella lights, an iPhone 13 Pro, and a wireless lavalier mic.
The music stuff has been a very long hobby that I'm about 2 decades into. Reason was the first audio app that really had me making my own music. It wasn't good, but it was entirely my own. Reason is still around, and it is excellent for a first audio app. It's interesting as it mimics a hardware rack and even lets you route audio by wiring it up. It's intuitive and honestly is good enough to teach you how analog routing was done, but it's also not cheap. That may or may not be of interest.
The best value, hands down, is Logic Pro, as it comes with a heap of professional-grade plugins and fairly solid virtual instruments. With your education discount, you can get Final Cut Pro / Logic / Compressor / Motion / Mainstage for $199. I use Final Cut Pro + Compressor + Motion for every video and have used an instrumental or two made in Logic Pro. I'm not as in love with Logic (I love Cubase personally), and I also own Ableton Live. Each has pros and cons. The biggest thing is just committing to one. Ableton has a cultish following, I like it but do not love it. I appreciate though it gets you to making music quickly even if I find "scenes" not my particular liking.
I love your channel Greg. Im about to buy a trash can Mac to fuck around with. Probably just bare metal linux on it. Linux bare metal runs amazingly on old Macs
Man digging up my early work when I was in my brother’s cidery. Yeah, I’ve set up mint Linux on my black MacBook and Ubuntu on my mini pc. I’ll probably do Linux on the Mac mini.
@@dmug dope! Enjoy. I have 6-7 distros each on their own old mac. All run great
Garuda Linux which is Arch based is a new one im really liking. I am a Debian guy but.
Kali and Straight Debian 12 Bookworm are my two favorites
Another great video! Are there any USB3 PCIe options that allow boot?
Y’know that’s actually something that stunps me. I never tried booting off of USB 3.1c on my classic Mac Pro but I did off a sonnet usb card on my 2019 for boot camp. My guess is the sonnet cards would be the same. I’d suggest asking in Facebook, reddit or macrumors forums to be extra safe
Hi Greg, thnx a lot for the video. It all makes things a little bit more clear. But still i have one question unanswered. I have the Sonnet Allegro USB-A 3.0 installed in my Mac Pro 5.1 and i want to use this port as a video output for a 4K/60Hz monitor. Is this possible?
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Thanks for your efforts
Great video dude! Thanks
Keep making these awesome videos, very entertaining! It was hard enough to loose my Apple ][e!😂 I can’t give up on my 5,1!
Greg, to simplify the question, do you have any problems with Sonnet Allegro cards when your Mac Pro goes to sleep? Did they disconnect hard or flash drives?
Yep, all USB devices are disconnected, its a design fault of the classic Mac Pros. The 7,1s (and I think 6,1s) actually properly eject on sleep.
There's always Fix-usb-sleep, but unsure if it works in Catalina and above.
github.com/syscl/Fix-usb-sleep
@@dmug Thank you very much for the answer sir! I'll stick with Mojave for a while so Catalina and above would not be a problem. I guess you already tested that patch for usb sleep?
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thanks very very good and appreciated. what reasonable priced graphic card for my 2010 6 core mac pro that can handle vr...you have probably answered it somewhere but i have not found it -all the best for 2022
This video I made covers the best, as far as reasonable priced? There aren't any. Low as I'd go is an RX 580 but would really shoot for a Vega 56.
GPU episode:
ua-cam.com/video/W2CI-98adFE/v-deo.html
Also you can check out the vid on the Quest and my experience with the Mac Pro. It's not perfect but it works.
ua-cam.com/video/8RnAPiC3uNs/v-deo.html
I am having this issue at the moment. I already installed Titan ridge Thunderbolt, can I used USB c with this or which would be the best SD card reader?
Hey, I have been looking through your videos but can't find where you talk about the RAM you installed, could you please let me know which RAM you are using on your 2009 MacPro ? Thank you
This will get you primed:
blog.greggant.com/posts/2018/05/07/definitive-mac-pro-upgrade-guide.html#ramupgrades
@@dmug Thank you for your response, I see you used Rams with heat sinks but I can't find any on Amazon etc. do you think its better to have heat sinks or are the same as the A-Tech for example ? Thanks again!
I do see that you are saying there is little benefit but I wondered why you use them
@@cryptocurrent8106 Oh, you specifically wanted to know what RAM I was using, it's just Samsung RDIMMs. Back when I bought it, was $.25 more per DIMM to get the shield variety of Aliexpress so I was like "sure, why not". Based on the photos, the shielded variety was Samsung and the unshielded was Hynix.
It's not necessary, especially with the 4,1/5,1 design with the fan chamber as the Mac can detect the temperature. There's little benefit, it might dissipate heat a little better. If you have MacsFanControl installed, you can monitor the RAM temps. I didn't notice any meaningful change between having RAM without heat sinks vs having it.
The vendor I used stopped selling it.
@@dmug Great, thanks, I bought the OWC 48GB (3X 16GB) Matched Pair 1333MHz 240-Pin SDRAM DIMM DDR3 (PC10600) Memory Upgrade Kit for PC Desktops, Mac Pro 'Nehalem' & 'Westmere', I will check your guide for resetting the NVRam, I am sure its in there, correct? Thanks for your help!!
Can we plug in the AMD Radeon Pro W5700 8GB GDDR6 into an Mojave Mac Pro 4.1/5.1?
I am looking for a graphics card that is as modern as possible, with PCI Express 3.0 or better, which runs under Mojave also in my 5.1, but also later in my 7.1!
MacBook Air M1 256/16GB Ram, I run my Parallels VMs off the SSD. I get… SATA SSD performance, but it depends largely on the OS. Win10 is slow, Win11 is slower, Ubuntu 22.04 is fast as balls, but CentOS Stream 9 is super fast
I imagine that has to do with the levels of optimization, overhead, and drivers that Parallels has for each OS as virtualized hardware never is a 1:1.
@@dmug being ARM OS’s, and Parallels 18, wouldn’t it is emulated?
Do I need this if I have a titan ridge card with thunderbolt / usb-c ?
Probably not? I can't recall off the top of head as I've never used one what the performance is over USBc and if it has issues with hot swapping USBc. If you're able to get 1000 MB/s with an external SSD then you're golden.
@@dmug thx Greg!
did you have to install drivers in order for it to work?
Nope
Hi , excellent video as usual, possible to build a trashcan with an M1 silicon chip?
Not sure what you mean by build, pretty much any m1 “build” is just a care mod, ripping a Mac mini out of its case and sticking itself something else. Almost certainly someone with the right machining abilities could make a Mac mini look like 2013 but it wouldn’t be any functionally different than the Mac mini
Is USB-C worth it on a Mac Pro?
That depends on what you need it for. But, if the upgrade doesn't cost much to get and isn't difficult to do, then why not?
Of course after I recorded this video and bought the Sonnet I found out there's now the FebSmart and LTERIVER cards which are like $50
@@dmug Hey Greg thanks for your vids - Do the FebSmart and LTTERIVER have controllers per port as you suggested performed way better ?
@@carlotantari4584 highly doubt it. They’d advertise it.
It so easy with dosdude patcher. However open core looks like some pain
DosDude1 though means non-native thus no updates via the software update, Boot picker screen, DRM decoding + Hardware acceleration for encode/decode meaning you're not capped on services like Netflix to 720p. It is a pain but if you're looking to get the most out of the cMP, its OpenCore.
Open core has improved a lot, now up to version 1.3.
Asking the wrong question… USB C is just a connector name, the protocol is what matters…. ie Thunderbolt 3, USB 3/3.1/3.2/4
Yep, USBc is the connector hence why I spent like 4 minutes talking about it but most people think of the later generations of USB as "USBc" hence the title.
Is not the issue with the 5,1 mac pro that the PCI slots are PCI 2.0 which is 5Gb/s on a 4x slot and 8Gb/s on a 16x slot See. the "History and revisions" section: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express
Good question.
USB 3.1c Gen 2 is limited to 1250 MB/s (10 Gbit). It should be totally obtainable in the 4x PCIe 2.0 slot as it's theoretical limit is 2000 MB/s but in real world application is limited roughly 1500 MB/s. You can observe the limits of PCIe 2.0's 4x port when sticking an NVMe drive into one of the slots as it'll be capped to 1500~ MB/s.
The card itself is only a 4x card (you can see it by the pinouts) so it can't take advantage of any more bandwidth offered by the 16x slots.
ok got it thanks. it a function of the number of lanes and bandwidth per lane. All I wanted to do was make a puchase decision and not have to learn about the history and implementation of PCI. I'm a consumer, Jim, not an engineer! :)
@@plextoob Understandable. USB hasn't made life easier.
I did make a nice human readable charts and explanation of PCIe in the Definitive Mac Pro Upgrade Guide. The link will take you to that section.
blog.greggant.com/posts/2018/05/07/definitive-mac-pro-upgrade-guide.html#pcie
Anybody know if I can install a TB2 card in Mac Pro 5.1?
You can but there's a lot of asterisks. blog.greggant.com/posts/2018/05/07/definitive-mac-pro-upgrade-guide.html#thunderbolt
Hi, I watch your videos, because they are very interesting. My problem is that I don't speak English, so sometimes I don't understand well and so I would like to ask you a question:
I have a Mac Pro 5.1 Mid 2010 with 24GB of ram and I have mounted an AMD Radeon R9 280X 3GB video card that supports Metal and as a system I have Mojave and everything works fine.
I would like to know if this sonnet allegro card is also compatible to be able to connect the latest generation of professional sound cards, because I would like to upgrade my Pro Tools 10
that at this moment I use with a second HD with Mountain Lion, because it doesn't work any more, but the sound card in my possession is not compatible with Mojave.
I think I have given you enough info to be able to get an answer.
Thank you
To na mesma aqui! Rodo as coisas mais novas no MacPro M1
Hey Greg thanks for explaining the USB-C confuckery!!! 👍
I didn’t even get into the cables since thunderbolt cables often do not support USBc at full data rates. It’s such a god damn mess.
Will it work on a 1,1
Probably but with a lot of asterisks. You'd need to use macOS 10.11.x as it has the USB 3.1 Gen 2 support, and you'd need allocate the PCIe properly so that the you're using a 4x Port with a 4x card, and you'd probably be capped to 750 MB/s a sec since its PCIe 1.0. A USB 3.0 (or USB 3.2 Gen 1 card) wouldn't be all that much slower.
You Need to try the Flexx lx 400 nvme ssd ok, Its custom made for the 5.1 mac pro...Read speeds 1500....No Shit...
If anyone trys the Flexx LX 400 Nvme ssd, Please post Speeds...
Hey Greg... like you... I'm still running Mojave on my 5,1. The promise of upgrading to an unsupported OS like Big Sur on the 5,1 appears to be evolving by the minute. Most recently I discovered this video that suggests the 5,1 will run even the latest version of Big Sur well: ua-cam.com/video/znlhI6f7x1Q/v-deo.html I'd love to try Big Sur but haven't because I'm fearful doing so will break something I'll lack the skills to recover from. What's your perspective on trying Big Sur on your 5,1?
I’ve tried correcting Mr Macintosh a few times on FB (not knowing he’s a known UA-camr), he’s knowledgeable but without watching the video in its entirety I can tell from the post date he may not be giving the best advice. macOS 11.3 introduced a bug for the classic Mac Pros.
As of Sunday, a big breakthrough happened where a huge glitch with the boot sequence was fixed. It’s called SurPlus, and now part of the OpenCore which means you can run macOS 11.3 and above safely.
@@dmug Thanks for your reply, Greg. Given your Mac experience and with the added benefits of SurPlus, would you be comfortable running the latest version of Big Sur on the 5,1? Do you feel the 5,1 would run reliably on it?
@@inspiration151 I’d say yes, the Latebloom fix was originally effective enough that people have been running Big Sur 11.3+ for months now, which was a band aid fix that stopped a cryptography function from having a recursive loop.
SurPlus just makes that condition never come up in the first place. The macrumors forum has a lot of success stories. I don’t have my 5,1s anymore but I’ll be putting it on my 3,1. I was stuck at Mojave because of piece of audio hardware but I bought a MacBook Air 2015 just for it and my MacBook Air M1 and 2019 Mac Pro can’t run Mojave even if I wanted.
Megabits
Dude, slow down and annunciate. "Exactly" is not the same as "about." About mean approximately while exactly means, exactly. You have a lot of good information but the presentation could be much better.