@@morgonaut I have two rigs, a 2005 dual core G5 and a single G5 rig, and they are from that era/. both rigs cpu heat syncs are totally BAKED on, preventing them to even post. If I could find someone local to re paste the heat syncs and clean all components at service spec levels, that would allow me to actually consider the Pcie card Ideas. But well, they are both the same height, maybe I could make them leg supports for a NEW table... example apple admitted to this problem... ahem... ua-cam.com/video/WtQ2c8zOTzc/v-deo.html
I knew with the name Sonnet, it would be pricey, but $299 isn't bad considering you're only taking one slot. Its a game changer for machines that don't have a bunch of expansion available.
@@Messiah38yes, but very few people use old machines like the Commodore 64. For any kind of modern web browsing they won’t work because they lack a gui. The 2007-2010 Mac pros are showing their age when it comes to the professionals who originally bought them. People who rendered or worked in music production have probably already moved on because the slow Xeons and slow ddr3 ram can’t compete with modern systems.
You can run Monterey on it. Wow I love that Mac Pro it was a hassle upgrading regarding to where i live. I had Quadro K5000 with 64gb of rams installed but the main issues were the out dated CPUs and I even tried liquid cooling and it was the most difficult things i had ever done. The fans, cables and manual control over the fans. For bootable M2 SSD back then! They were extremely rare for mac. I was using Kingston Hyperx Predator pcie ssd and that was the only one that work with it and as well as GPU (K5000). Thanks you for this video, it actually bring back a lot of memories.
@useditem_tk - I'm glad my videos bring you nostalgia :) As you can see I have much more old Macs than new ones and I plan to do videos about all of them one by one so make sure you subscribed to my channel and enabled all notifications so you won't miss another portion of nostalgia 😇
@@morgonaut Back then there's not much you can do with it and not a lot of people actually can afford the Trash Can Mac Pro as well as its limitation for upgrading. Now a lot of new tech and your video here that would be a lot of differences. +1000-1300mb read/write was some of the best for Mac Pro 3,1 to 5,1 on pcie 4x. I might go at again lol. I had a lot of funs doing it. What is the best GPU you can get for that Mac Pro?
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I had no idea people were still using the old cheese grater Mac Pro. I feel inspired to do this if I can get my hands on a model that still works. I wish all Macs were upgradeable. I think this whole planned obsolescence is bad for the environment.
@ArtofLovingsoul - for many people the Cheesegrater Mac Pro is still good enough for their needs. And I believe bad for environment are the people itself :)
I loved my Mac Pro 5,1 with upgraded 12 Core CPU, Dual NVME, USB-C and good graphics card. A joy to use and to upgrade. Over all the best Mac I've ever had. The new Apple silicon Mac Pro is a joke in comparison.
@@morgonaut Mainly because it isn't upgradable anymore (except pci), they didn't rethink the case for Apple Silicon (maybe make it smaller?) and there is no performance increase compared to the Mac Studio while beeing much more expensive.
@@quma001 we need to wait for a comparison of Mac Studio M2 Ultra with 60C or 76C GPU and Mac Pro with additional GPU Card. nVidia RTX 4070 Ti or RTX 4090 (for machine learning) or AMD RX 7900 XT.
I just installed the McFiver card in my 2012 Mac Pro " Cheesegrater" . Now I need to figure out how to install Monterey using your " New Way" Bare Metal Hpervisor .
@randyyoung2135 - that's quite easy for me to configure "The New Way", if you want I can do it for you remotely during video call. Links for my help are in video description
FWIW, the slots in a MP5,1 are as follows; slot 1 16x, slot 2 8x, slot 3 & 4 4x. Since the W5500 is just a single slot width you could put it in the 8x slot next to it. I'd be interested to know if the nvme raid0 could do even better in that slot. 😊 Stick a couple of Xeon X5690 six cores in there and you've got a ridiculous machine considering its age. Great video. Wish I could afford that Sonnet card, it's pretty awesome.
@cenewton3221 - that's not so black & white as you think. There are many people who prefer less CPU cores on higher frequency than more cores and lower freq. Same with the slots arrangement. I have here 96GB of RAM upgrade as well as two X5690 but I intentionally didn't upgrade it. I plan some future video about it, but time is my enemy.
I stumbled across this by mistake but I'm so happy to have found your tutorial. I was just wondering... I'm a musician like you and have some sample libraries that need to be read from a hard drive. Do you think that I could use an NVMe in an enclosure that's plugged into the USB slot on my Mid 2012 Cheesegrater? Do you think that the read times would be adequate? Thanks Theresa! :)
@colinaguiar9682 - obviously yes you can but that's something I would never recommend 😇 I provide 1-on-1 support and solutions for music and video studios so best for you would be to meet on a video call and then I can suggest optimal setup for your specific use case. Link is in video description.
Bought you a beer this past weekend after watching this video 😀 (under my real name and not my UA-cam handle). Amazon no longer stocks the McFiver in Canada but I think the product is worth importing from the USA. I’ll use it with my MP7. Appreciate all the effort you put in and the quality of your videos.
@Stu2366593 - I'm not sure how I could identify your donation when you made it under some different name :( But I'm always grateful for grateful people. It's very rare to see it, thank you too
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Thanks Teresa, great info and presentation. In this video are you running Monterey with standard OpenCore Legacy Patcher or with Martin Lo's version? I heard that only Martin Lo's works well with 10Gbit ethernet.
Thanks for the video! Back in 20015 thought I was getting 5,1 but it ended up being 4,1. Couldn’t test when I picked it up, and was confused about the different versions.That thing is now a beautiful giant door stop! 😂😂😂😂😂 Also have an old 3,1 that I had forever. Wish I could do something with them. Ended up purchasing a used Mac Mini 6,1. Put (2) 2T SSDs internal and upgraded to the max 16g. Used OpenCore to patch for Venture. It’s not bad! Since I’m using it for home recording, just for me, thought about getting another i7 and move the i5 to run just VSTs and connect via MIDI. Don’t know if it’s doable or not.
I would never use 5,1 as a door stopper like you! That's a sin! 😇 BTW 5,1 is by my opinion much better for music production than 6,1 - well it's in fact overall much better 😂
The 5,1 Mac Pro gets NEW life. I have a 2009 4,1 Mac Pro that I have been trying to flash to 5,1 but have been unsuccessful in doing. Can you make a video on how to do this ?
can you imagine how much money, time, resources, effort etc. it takes to produce such video just for you? I'm happy to do that but I'm not a millionaire with unlimited resources
@edwardlujan1325 - because I wanted to show to people even with the base CPU the Mac Pro is still great machine in some other planned videos. i have all upgrades ready here for years, just didn't find the time to do it
3000 MB/s means each SSD running at around 1500MB/s which roughly is limitation of PCIe 2.0 (2000MB/s) - sure that's still VERY good, but nowadays single SSDs can go over 7000MB/s, and USB-C meanwhile drops from 1000MB/s to 700MB/s due to overall PCIe 2.0 limitation.... so such card is really just for "older" Intel Macs
Hi Teresa. FIrst and foremost, thanks a lot for such a great informative content. I really helps to sort things out. I have a question though. I see the GPU you use in your Mac Pro 5.1 is rather thin in its form factor. Would you please let me know what GPU this is ?
@computerenthusiast402 - first of all I built few days ago microPC running macOS with power consumption of just 7W. But in general I would never run macOS for a NAS when there are much better solutions
That's incredible! Had no idea such performance existed from such a simple add-in card. How can it be added to Apple Silicon Mac's, I don't think any of them have pci slots (except the recently announced newest Mac Pro). Would love to hear your thoughts on Apple Silicon and the future of Apple mac computers. Love your videos.
@SinisterSpatula - "How can it be added to Apple Silicon Mac's" - darling in this video I said exactly that I will show you in some next video so make sure you subscribe and enable all notifications so you won't miss it 😇
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Thank you Teresa for an incredibly interesting work. I wanted to ask you if the MacPro 5.1 power supply can handle the video card AND Radeon RX5700XT 8gig ?
The McFiver’s 10 gigabit does not work in Mac Pro 5,1 in Mac OS but it does work in Windows, I reviewed this card many months ago and I am using it but it’s a really not cost effective for the 5,1 due to the 10Gb not working it just crashes the computer as soon as you connect the Ethernet cable, if you know of a fix please let me know.
@@morgonaut interesting, but you don’t show it connected in the video? Sonnett gave me the card for 300 to do a review and I was on support with them several times, they said the 10 gig chip is no longer compatible with the 5,1 because apple changed the driver and uses a different 10GbE chip even though sonnet originally designed the card for the 5,1 and that it works fine in the 7,1. Because of this they no longer market it for the 5,1. I am not the only person who has this issue many on Reddit that bought the card had it as well. 10G does work in Windows 11 running on the same 5,1.
I'm with Sonnet in contact very often. of course Sonnet said it's not compatible because the drivers are in macOS Monterey and macOS Monterey is not officially compatible with Mac Pro 5,1 :)) Sonnet are very honest and clear, so they can't promise any compatibility which is not officially compatible. That's best approach and I value that. But you know very well how to run unsupported Monterey on MP5,1 but that's not officially compatible
@@morgonaut I wish you showed it actually working in the video with iStat to show 10GbE transfer speeds, you just show it in the system profiler which I can do as well. Lots of folks with the card have the same issue I have it’s not just my system. I’m on 12.6.6 So maybe the driver got broken in a later OS update. One of my emails from Sonnett support to me about the Ethernet port. “Regrettably, the McFiver PCIe card is not compatible for use on the Mac Pro 5,1. We have seen that the USB and M.2 items can work, but the Ethernet will not consistently function within a Mac Pro 5,1. For 10GbE capability with your Mac Pro 5,1, we would instead recommend our Solo10G, or our Presto 10GbE PCIe cards here. The Solo10G card are plug-and-play compatible on macOS 10.13.6 and above, and the Presto cards are compatible from macOS 10.8.5 and above with driver installation.” looking back it looks like I first tried the card with 12.6.2 so maybe the drivers got updated with 12.6.2
maybe you should read disclaimer I showed in this video and which is also in the video description. There is always someone like you who will always write comment "I wish you would do XYZ"... You as a content creator must get the same, so please don't be like the others. Read, watch, all the info needed is there. I provided clear informations, I did not hide anything, provided official specs etc. If I would have unlimited time and money I would put into each video 20000000 hours with no problem, but I'm not a millionaire with unlimited time
@Popo Ramos - for your purchase Amazon would send me something around $7.50 at maximum(then I need to pay several fees from it, taxes etc.) so at the end I will get like $3 or so and that's obviously nothing against how much money, time and effort I wasted on bringing you this useful video. But thank you for being smart and grateful, you are one of only 0.015% percent of people doing so. If all people would act like you then it would be almost heaven on Earth
@@morgonaut Reporting back, finally got it installed and its working flawlessly! I’m able to take advantage of everything this card has to offer. I went with a single 4gb drive, with plans on adding another in the near future. Thank you! The only part that I probably need a workaround is that the USB C are in the back, a little bit impractical for daily use.
you can put this card into TB enclosure and place it on your desk right in front of you if you don't like that all PCs have slots on the back of computer 😇
Dear Morgonaut! Thank you so much for your great videos! I am a big fan of your clear explanations 🤩..I have 4x MP 5,1 with Open Core running at my studio and bought McFiver cards for all of them. Then I discovered, that the 10Gbe is not working and found a workaround, installing Big Sur with an additional Solo10G PCIe Cards to the McFivers to have access to my RAID at 10Gbe speed. With the update from Jazzzny it is now possible to run Monterey with all options of the McFiver card, including 10Gbe! Please stay as clear and professional as you are and don't be dragged down by the people who can't manage to read your text inserts in the videos😋All the best wishes from Vienna!
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Sonnet was in the past know for CPU accelerators like the G3 and G4 one, but that's completely different form what I showed in this video, this card is made for PCIe, no PowerPC Mac had PCIe slots :)
at the price of the card, is it really cost efficient to add it to a 5,1? yes the performance is incredible, but that's roughly the price of the entire mac pro! adding this to the 2019 or 2023 Mac Pros would be good, although 10GbE and thunderbolt 3 ports are already built in, but I'm sure nobody would say no to more!
I said same thing... Great card but it costs as much as the whole computer...Are there any simple, cheap, dual nvme cards that just focus on combining the speed of 2 drives into double speed on pcie 2.0 without all the extra s that this card has?
I had a sonnet tempo raid card - failed a month or so out of its 2 year warranty, so I'm put off getting another card, maybe if theyres a 5 year warranty. I get 500Mbps with a owc sata ssd card anyway which is plenty fast. But it's mental the speeds you've got! I'm more tempted to just get a macmini for fcpx
@mulls2go - darling they (Sonnet) provide lifetime support. But if you would still have any problem to RMA or reach the support then contact me and I will contact Sonnet for you directly and help you with it, I have very good relationship with their support
@@morgonaut yeah I contacted them, think it was because I bought it from amazon and not them direct so didn't get longer warranty. It was 3-4 years ago now. Edit, was in 2019 and they offered to repair it but they said I'd have to cover postage costs both ways so sold it on ebay for spares / repair.
@mulls2go - OK, so from what you wrote it's clear they offered to you FREE repair and you just had to pay shipping costs, which sounds to me super great offer from them ven when the unit was not in warranty anymore
@@morgonaut I just looked at my email from 2019 and they mention shipping cost of 60-120usd, I assume this covers both ways, not sure, from uk. I was living away for 6 months during this period, so used the card for a total of 18months. Just one of those things, we all get the odd dud unit. But I'm put off buying another, though their USB 3 card I have is still going strong today. Think he said the return is free within usa.
Teeda tvuj přízvuk je strašlivej :D ale zabíjíš taky mam rád tenhle Mac Pro potřebuju tam dostat pořádnou grafiku máš s tim zkušenost? mam RTX 3060FE a potřebuju aby mi tam běžela :)
Thanks for sharing this news!!! Is it works on Catalina? I was able to run only Catalina on my beloved Mac Pro 5.1...no opencore at now...Too difficult for me to install...
@@morgonaut Install Monterey without OpenCore? That sounds interesting for me. Everyone is now using OpenCore to allow newer macOS in such Cheesegrater MP 5,1 including myself. Anyway I'm impressed with this news. Will buy the card.
I still use my 5,1 Cheese Grater. its may main machine still, I got tons of ram, and the best upgrade is first a PCI SSD card. Like night and day. The main issue with these macs is the weak Video card. I upgraded to a "MSI AMD HD 7950 Twin Frozr III 3GD5/OC PCIe x16 3.0 Video Card". It just recently gave up the ghost and I played hell finding another one. I think maybe the last one available. The next upgrade after the SSD has to be the video card. The one that gave up the ghost had a HDMI slot but this new one does not. What are you gunna do.
@@morgonaut I will tell you. Hear me out. Back in ancient times, Adobe started buying up all it's competitors. That included Macromedia whos products were and still are light years better than the best Adobe apps. I knew then Adobe was going to kill off all the great apps and I read adobe was going to force everyone to Start RENTING their products so then you could not OWN any of their products. I am sorry I am NOT GONG to RENT SOFTWARE. So I bought the huge CS6 master suite. Had everything including After effects for like $2,600. I use after effects almost every day. CS6 After effects will not Run on any OS above 10.5, which is what I run becasue of that fact. BUT it will not run the cards you mentioned. My OS on that machine is so outdated the browes dont even work..... But Iam not paying rent for my programs that still do magical work. I have researched 100s of hours on a better card. The only ones I can find that will run under OS10.5 that I know. If you know of another GPU that will run under 10.5 I am all ears. Its not the machine I have issues with per say for a newer GPU its the OS I still have to run. There are a handful of apps I use such as Photoshop, Illustrator, after effect and blah blah blah. Renting them each month is higher than my car payment I have other machines that are up to date but all my heavy lifting is on this old 5,1 running OS 10.5
@rich6081 - I remember those days very well, I started on QUadra 650 about 30 years ago and I also bought pre-Creative Suite Adobe stuff, I have still here even installation of Photoshop 2.0 on 3.5" diskettes and many other software. And I also bought CS1, CS2, CS4, CS6. But these days it's simply bad idea to use Adobe because it's overpriced UNOPTIMIZED crap. So makes no sense to me wasting so much performance on table just because someone want to use Adobe.
I have a quick question...which I'm sure you can answer...I have a mid 2012 mac pro....is it possible to upgrade the processor to to one that has the AVX technology in it?
@803MUSICGROUP - honestly from my head I can't remember all CPU specs from past 12 years :) But in general I would not bother with upgrading CPU in 12 years old system and rather get any newer Apple Silicon Mac which is extremely cheap these days compared to old systems like you have in terms of price/performance
Great video!, very informative.Can I ask question regarding the raid0? I have mac pro 5,1 and I have 3 samsung evo ssd all of them are 250 gb then I made them into raid0 and the OS is included in the raid0, my question is, when i delete the raid0 back to the normal ssd because I cannot upgrade to mojave when I use the raid0 will the system will crash? Thanks in advance.
@marcialarmenta2049 - obviously if you have the system installed on the RAID and you will destroy that RAID then it's clear you will loose also the system
Thanks for the video! I can't get to boot manager with Option key pressed after installing the card on MarPro 5,1. I have old programs that require Mojave OS. Is there a workaround for this?
Good morning, Teresa, Could you direct me to the specs on your 32-core Hackintosh? I'd be interested in putting something like that together here in the states. Thanks, Sean...
@Sean McDermott - you are commenting on wrong youtube channel - this is my MACINTOSH related YT channel, if you want hackintosh stuff then you should watch my HACKINTOSH channel -> www.youtube.com/@morgonauthackintosh
Is it possible to setup the 2012 cMP with a RX480 GPU with Proxmox and then virtualize newer than Mojave MacOS on it? If so I will schedule a VIP session with you. Thanks
Thanks for your video, what kind of magic was that getting 3000MB/s on a PCIe2.0?? even at 16x it is only 8Gbps?? do you have some info on this?? thanks!
She’s using raid 0 which doubles the throughput of a single drive. But it’s at the cost of halving the reliability. Not sure what I would do with 16TB of raid0 except use it for scratch space
Fun video. Thanks for the info. I have a MacPro 1,1 upgraded to 2,1 It's still my main video editing work horse. Unfortunately it is stuck at MAC OS 10.11.6 And all the subsequent browsers are extremely out of date. So while I have Macked (Pun intended) it out with max Ram and Processors and upgraded video card, it still is extremely out of date. Any thoughts
Eeek! Your upgrade there comes to $2,000 on Amazon! MacFiver plus two 8TB blades. UFF! I love my Cheesegrater....but with its age...not sure I can make that investment. Even down at 2x2TB, it is at $600.
Ok looks like my old mac pro 5.1 still have bright days ahead, thanks for the video ! I'm wondering what would be the best between a thunderbolt device like owc express 4m2 connected to a m1 mac vs a sonnet card in a slave mac pro connected to my m1 mac via ethernet. I'm using that mainly for music production with a master/slave setup using Vienna Ensemble Pro 7, don't know if you're familiar with it :)
@@morgonaut so what would you think would work best between a master/slave setup with a mac pro equiped with this pcie card, or a thunderbolt solution directly plugged to the m1 mac (with no master/slave setup) ?
What GPU are you finding that can maximize or balance best performance for the video in conjunction with the drive speed? I think we've got PCIe 2.0x16 for both the bottom and second up slots, but squeezing a GPU and a Sonnet card in this is pretty difficult and it's going to be rough to cool properly. Sure would be interesting if there were an option to externalize both of these or the entire PCIe bus for that matter and perhaps even provide more slots... any thoughts?
Super cool but so damn expensive... 300.00 for just a card is way over the top for an upgrade on such an old computer....if these were 100.00 or less, heck yeah!
Hi Morgonaut. Will my Apple Magic Mouse or any wireless mouse still work with the McFiver installed? I have had issues in the past with an older Sonnet Allegro card where my Magic Mouse ceased to work! Would I need to upgrade Bluetooth somehow? Thanks for your help!!!
Hello!! Mac Pro 5,1 - 2010 *2 x Intel Xeon 3,06 GHz 6-Cores *40GB RAM DDR3 1333 Mhz * Video AMD RX570 ITX 4GB 256biti *NVMe Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB instaled on adapter Aqua Computer kryoM.2 evo PCIe 3.0 x4 Adapter for M.2 * Plus backup: SSD 240Gb Kingston Dual Gigabit LAN Price 300 dollars It's okay for office and some games.??? Or Mac Pro (Mid 2010) *2 x 3,46 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon RAM 32 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 GRAPHICS : AMD Radeon Pro W5500 8 GB Storage : 1 - SSD 240 GB - OS 1 - HDD 1 TB - Scratch Disk 1 - RAID HDD 2 TB - Storage Price 500 dollars What to choose from the price and for the best configuration . Tanks
@florentinadrian - I believe best way for you would be to have a Zoom video call with me where we could discuss all your needs, expectations, workflow etc. so then based on that I could suggest to you the best possible setup for your specific use case. Link where you can book video meeting and remote session you can find in each of my video descriptions. Simply www.patreon.com/morgonaut or www.morgonaut.cloud/get-help
Hi, have you tried with a macpro 5.1 does the network card work? I just need a more powerful network card on my 5.1. is this the only solution to get it? thanks Tiziano I am writing to you from Milan
@tizianosantambrogio413 - this whole video is clearly about the card in Mac Pro 5,1 so why you ask about it? You didn't watch it?? In comments there are info about people who have the 10G working and I prepare follow up video about it and plan give people the correct EFI where the 10G will be working
@@morgonaut I’ve been dual x5690,128GB ram,4TB nvme ssd and RX 6900xt liquid cooler,Gigabyte’s TBT3 card ,in front usb 3.1 Type A&C,also the new wifi ,but no 10Gb Eport 🥲 because no pcie solt anymore.
@@morgonaut Sorry that I was to clear. What I would like to know is, if the NVME strips are not raided it will show up with 2 volumes and one of them will be bootable if is not raided, right? Even if there is a Partition? Can you make a partition from a RAID? I would like to have a RAID 1 with a bootable partition???
hello @morgonaut i baught this card recently and installed 1x2 tb wd nvme Black SN850x mounted in raid 0 card was installed on slot 1 , when testing it gives 1500 max speed and crash and eject the nvme i moved to slot 2 and test again , it gives the same speed , and sometimes it crash im running sonoma 14.3 opcl on 5.1 mid 2012 mac pro 5.1 i would love to have a solution for this thank you in advance
@rabihtannous3919 - you can book a Zoom video meeting with me and remote session to your computer so I can help you the best way - check link in video description or simply book it on my website www.morgonaut.com
@Fabrice Manzi - darling don't try to school me, don't teach eagle to fly. I already used that McFiver so there was no sticker on it for months! Maybe you didn't notice but I'm not an idiot! 😇
@D. Harris - "that part" is clearly written in this video and is also written in video description!!! Why so many people can't watch carefully and don't bother to read????? 👿 Why you waste my time??
Thanks for the video, great information as always for Cheesegraters, Theresa.
Glad you enjoyed it! 😇
@kefalospera2879 - best for you would be to book a video meeting with to discuss all of it personally = links in video description
@@morgonaut I have two rigs, a 2005 dual core G5 and a single G5 rig, and they are from that era/. both rigs cpu heat syncs are totally BAKED on, preventing them to even post. If I could find someone local to re paste the heat syncs and clean all components at service spec levels, that would allow me to actually consider the Pcie card Ideas. But well, they are both the same height, maybe I could make them leg supports for a NEW table... example apple admitted to this problem... ahem... ua-cam.com/video/WtQ2c8zOTzc/v-deo.html
I have tested the mcfiver installed in a Mac Pro 5,1. The 10GbE port does work properly with Monterey 12.2.1 using Martin Lo's latest OpenCore config.
use the new 0.9.4 and it will works
this machine just wont die! sonnet are legends too
@brafya - yes, I agree - Sonnet, Cheesegrater and me are legends 😂
@@morgonaut your knowledge and helpful attitude will ALWAYS make you legend!
@brafya - hihi my attitude is attractive only to smart people 😂
I knew with the name Sonnet, it would be pricey, but $299 isn't bad considering you're only taking one slot. Its a game changer for machines that don't have a bunch of expansion available.
@bangdollarsign - I always repeat for what it offers it's cheap and can bring new life to otherwise dead machines
Mac Pro will never be a dead machine. A computer is what you make of it, people still using Commodore Amiga and C64 to connect to internet
@@Messiah38yes, but very few people use old machines like the Commodore 64. For any kind of modern web browsing they won’t work because they lack a gui. The 2007-2010 Mac pros are showing their age when it comes to the professionals who originally bought them. People who rendered or worked in music production have probably already moved on because the slow Xeons and slow ddr3 ram can’t compete with modern systems.
You can run Monterey on it. Wow I love that Mac Pro it was a hassle upgrading regarding to where i live. I had Quadro K5000 with 64gb of rams installed but the main issues were the out dated CPUs and I even tried liquid cooling and it was the most difficult things i had ever done. The fans, cables and manual control over the fans. For bootable M2 SSD back then! They were extremely rare for mac. I was using Kingston Hyperx Predator pcie ssd and that was the only one that work with it and as well as GPU (K5000). Thanks you for this video, it actually bring back a lot of memories.
@useditem_tk - I'm glad my videos bring you nostalgia :) As you can see I have much more old Macs than new ones and I plan to do videos about all of them one by one so make sure you subscribed to my channel and enabled all notifications so you won't miss another portion of nostalgia 😇
@@morgonaut Back then there's not much you can do with it and not a lot of people actually can afford the Trash Can Mac Pro as well as its limitation for upgrading. Now a lot of new tech and your video here that would be a lot of differences. +1000-1300mb read/write was some of the best for Mac Pro 3,1 to 5,1 on pcie 4x. I might go at again lol. I had a lot of funs doing it. What is the best GPU you can get for that Mac Pro?
So great for my beloved Mac Pro 5,1. I m an owner of an m1 MacBook but I still love my old MacPro.
Mac Pro 5,1 is still absolutely amazing machine
great energy! you kept me entertained despite little interest in the outcome of this video! you have got some serious talent in presentation!
@alexroot6615 - I'm glad you like my style, share my videos on forums/socials so it can help to more people and that will in return help to me to produce for you more quality content and still for free.
I had no idea people were still using the old cheese grater Mac Pro. I feel inspired to do this if I can get my hands on a model that still works. I wish all Macs were upgradeable. I think this whole planned obsolescence is bad for the environment.
@ArtofLovingsoul - for many people the Cheesegrater Mac Pro is still good enough for their needs. And I believe bad for environment are the people itself :)
So great to see you, Teresa! I'm looking forward to more of your great content. Respect!🙏
Hi Bruce, nice to see you too here again :) Thanks for kind comment... 💜
I loved my Mac Pro 5,1 with upgraded 12 Core CPU, Dual NVME, USB-C and good graphics card. A joy to use and to upgrade. Over all the best Mac I've ever had. The new Apple silicon Mac Pro is a joke in comparison.
why do you think "it's a joke"?
@@morgonaut Mainly because it isn't upgradable anymore (except pci), they didn't rethink the case for Apple Silicon (maybe make it smaller?) and there is no performance increase compared to the Mac Studio while beeing much more expensive.
@@quma001 we need to wait for a comparison of Mac Studio M2 Ultra with 60C or 76C GPU and Mac Pro with additional GPU Card. nVidia RTX 4070 Ti or RTX 4090 (for machine learning) or AMD RX 7900 XT.
In order to get the Aquantia 107 or 110 drivers to work under OCLP you need to modify the patch. I have 10Gbe network running on my 5,1.
Can you Shared how to modify the patch or a link? I been trying with OCLP 0.6.8 I’m dying to used the 10Gbps Ethernet Port
I just installed the McFiver card in my 2012 Mac Pro " Cheesegrater" . Now I need to figure out how to install Monterey using your " New Way" Bare Metal Hpervisor .
@randyyoung2135 - that's quite easy for me to configure "The New Way", if you want I can do it for you remotely during video call. Links for my help are in video description
Morgonaut is the best! 👍🏻
@tekis0 - hihi, sometimes 😇
FWIW, the slots in a MP5,1 are as follows; slot 1 16x, slot 2 8x, slot 3 & 4 4x. Since the W5500 is just a single slot width you could put it in the 8x slot next to it. I'd be interested to know if the nvme raid0 could do even better in that slot. 😊 Stick a couple of Xeon X5690 six cores in there and you've got a ridiculous machine considering its age. Great video. Wish I could afford that Sonnet card, it's pretty awesome.
@cenewton3221 - that's not so black & white as you think. There are many people who prefer less CPU cores on higher frequency than more cores and lower freq. Same with the slots arrangement. I have here 96GB of RAM upgrade as well as two X5690 but I intentionally didn't upgrade it. I plan some future video about it, but time is my enemy.
nice review good thing you didn't say Moose and Squirrel I would have lost it hehehe
I stumbled across this by mistake but I'm so happy to have found your tutorial. I was just wondering... I'm a musician like you and have some sample libraries that need to be read from a hard drive. Do you think that I could use an NVMe in an enclosure that's plugged into the USB slot on my Mid 2012 Cheesegrater? Do you think that the read times would be adequate? Thanks Theresa! :)
@colinaguiar9682 - obviously yes you can but that's something I would never recommend 😇 I provide 1-on-1 support and solutions for music and video studios so best for you would be to meet on a video call and then I can suggest optimal setup for your specific use case. Link is in video description.
@@morgonaut Thank you so much Teresa! I just sent you an email. Looking forward to chatting.
Thanks, good to know but pricey upgrade in Canada $691 + tax.
@macattack1481 - but absolutely worth it to bring new life to your old Mac Pro and not just Mac Pro, can be used on any modern computer too
Bought you a beer this past weekend after watching this video 😀 (under my real name and not my UA-cam handle). Amazon no longer stocks the McFiver in Canada but I think the product is worth importing from the USA. I’ll use it with my MP7. Appreciate all the effort you put in and the quality of your videos.
@Stu2366593 - I'm not sure how I could identify your donation when you made it under some different name :( But I'm always grateful for grateful people. It's very rare to see it, thank you too
Hey Theresa - great channel thank you. I have seen on Mac Solutions channel that the 10GB won't work on the Mac 5,1.
if you would read comments here you would know it's not true and I plan to test and prove it in some next video
I like your presentation style, very unique. Great content.
@flickwtchr - I'm glad you like my style, share my videos on forums/socials so it can help to more people and that will in return help to me to produce for you more quality content and still for free.
Great video. Any possibility to use that on a 3,1?
Funky track at the intro. Who's the artist?
Thanks Teresa, great info and presentation. In this video are you running Monterey with standard OpenCore Legacy Patcher or with Martin Lo's version? I heard that only Martin Lo's works well with 10Gbit ethernet.
Thanks for the video! Back in 20015 thought I was getting 5,1 but it ended up being 4,1. Couldn’t test when I picked it up, and was confused about the different versions.That thing is now a beautiful giant door stop! 😂😂😂😂😂 Also have an old 3,1 that I had forever. Wish I could do something with them.
Ended up purchasing a used Mac Mini 6,1. Put (2) 2T SSDs internal and upgraded to the max 16g. Used OpenCore to patch for Venture. It’s not bad! Since I’m using it for home recording, just for me, thought about getting another i7 and move the i5 to run just VSTs and connect via MIDI. Don’t know if it’s doable or not.
I would never use 5,1 as a door stopper like you! That's a sin! 😇 BTW 5,1 is by my opinion much better for music production than 6,1 - well it's in fact overall much better 😂
4,1 can be successfully, painlessly upgraded to a 5,1.
@JonTrott - sure, almost everybody do that. But congrats you made it too :) Enjoy your old Cheesegrater as I do all mu old Macs
The 5,1 Mac Pro gets NEW life. I have a 2009 4,1 Mac Pro that I have been trying to flash to 5,1 but have been unsuccessful in doing. Can you make a video on how to do this ?
can you imagine how much money, time, resources, effort etc. it takes to produce such video just for you? I'm happy to do that but I'm not a millionaire with unlimited resources
Why haven't you upgrade your cpus to either xeon 5280 or 5290 and your ddr3 to 1333mhz maybe in the another video for content ?
@edwardlujan1325 - because I wanted to show to people even with the base CPU the Mac Pro is still great machine in some other planned videos. i have all upgrades ready here for years, just didn't find the time to do it
@morgonaut very cool looking forward to it mac pro are awesome machines
I sold my 2010 5,1 a few years ago lasted me under 10 yrs before I bought my 2019
I will never sell my collection of old Macs 😇 it's part of my life, part of me
Great video thanks, looks like a really nice card but it’s SO expensive. Makes no sense on something like a 5.1 (IMO).
@rare6499 - can't agree. For what it offer it's "SO" cheap and will bring new life and possibilities to old MP5,1
3000 MB/s means each SSD running at around 1500MB/s which roughly is limitation of PCIe 2.0 (2000MB/s) - sure that's still VERY good, but nowadays single SSDs can go over 7000MB/s, and USB-C meanwhile drops from 1000MB/s to 700MB/s due to overall PCIe 2.0 limitation.... so such card is really just for "older" Intel Macs
"so such card is really just for "older" Intel Macs" - what are you talking about? That's BS. I can get from that card 14 GB/s in newer Mac!
@@morgonaut and Sonnet now has PCIe NVME card which gives 30GB/s in new M2 MacPro :)
I already achieved 28 GB/s in 2019 Mac Pro - watch my videos
Always excellent and informative
@NikCan66 - thank you for nice comment
thats an incredible card. thanks for doing a video on the 5,1 Mac Pro, please do MORE! I love my 12 core 5,1 mac pro
More to come don't worry, I'm Mac lover for almost 4 decades :)
Hi Teresa. FIrst and foremost, thanks a lot for such a great informative content. I really helps to sort things out. I have a question though. I see the GPU you use in your Mac Pro 5.1 is rather thin in its form factor. Would you please let me know what GPU this is ?
Hi, just wondering what editing program do you use since I love how you edited this video.
@DdsUA-cam - if you would read any of my video descriptions you would know I use DR. But thanks, I do all my effects myself
@@morgonaut Okay thank you!
Good work. How you put system above Mojave on Mac 5.1 ?
I use my Mac Pro 4,1 as a Home server and Apple Silicon Mac as Workstation.
@computerenthusiast402 - that's common but biggest problem with that I see the huge power consumption of such "server" :)
@@morgonaut Can you build a low power Mac OS NAS with 60tb ?
@computerenthusiast402 - first of all I built few days ago microPC running macOS with power consumption of just 7W. But in general I would never run macOS for a NAS when there are much better solutions
That's incredible! Had no idea such performance existed from such a simple add-in card. How can it be added to Apple Silicon Mac's, I don't think any of them have pci slots (except the recently announced newest Mac Pro). Would love to hear your thoughts on Apple Silicon and the future of Apple mac computers. Love your videos.
@SinisterSpatula - "How can it be added to Apple Silicon Mac's" - darling in this video I said exactly that I will show you in some next video so make sure you subscribe and enable all notifications so you won't miss it 😇
PCIe Expansion Cases
That you get from sonnet also
What Video Card ia in this machine? I have a RX 589 in mine.Thank you for all your work in this!
@claudehill2 - :( I answered this same question countless times already in comments here - why don't you read comments first? :( 5500 geni.us/rG0c
Tunterpolt....... i love your emphasis... btw great video and regards from Austria
thank you Heimo, greetings to Austria 🇦🇹
Morgonaut this is insane!!!
😇
Sonnet je parádní firmička :)
I love your work!
@josephcadwell6773 - thanks for your kind comment, best thanks to me would be if you click on the THANKS button under my video or "buy me a beer" here donate.stripe.com/14k29O62BbHG2QM288
Thank you Teresa for an incredibly interesting work. I wanted to ask you if the MacPro 5.1 power supply can handle the video card AND Radeon RX5700XT 8gig ?
@olesbadio1496 - yes it can :)
The McFiver’s 10 gigabit does not work in Mac Pro 5,1 in Mac OS but it does work in Windows, I reviewed this card many months ago and I am using it but it’s a really not cost effective for the 5,1 due to the 10Gb not working it just crashes the computer as soon as you connect the Ethernet cable, if you know of a fix please let me know.
it's not crashing my MP5,1 at all, so your crashes was related to your specific setup and not in general
@@morgonaut interesting, but you don’t show it connected in the video? Sonnett gave me the card for 300 to do a review and I was on support with them several times, they said the 10 gig chip is no longer compatible with the 5,1 because apple changed the driver and uses a different 10GbE chip even though sonnet originally designed the card for the 5,1 and that it works fine in the 7,1. Because of this they no longer market it for the 5,1. I am not the only person who has this issue many on Reddit that bought the card had it as well. 10G does work in Windows 11 running on the same 5,1.
I'm with Sonnet in contact very often. of course Sonnet said it's not compatible because the drivers are in macOS Monterey and macOS Monterey is not officially compatible with Mac Pro 5,1 :)) Sonnet are very honest and clear, so they can't promise any compatibility which is not officially compatible. That's best approach and I value that. But you know very well how to run unsupported Monterey on MP5,1 but that's not officially compatible
@@morgonaut I wish you showed it actually working in the video with iStat to show 10GbE transfer speeds, you just show it in the system profiler which I can do as well. Lots of folks with the card have the same issue I have it’s not just my system. I’m on 12.6.6 So maybe the driver got broken in a later OS update.
One of my emails from Sonnett support to me about the Ethernet port.
“Regrettably, the McFiver PCIe card is not compatible for use on the Mac Pro 5,1.
We have seen that the USB and M.2 items can work, but the Ethernet will not consistently function within a Mac Pro 5,1. For 10GbE capability with your Mac Pro 5,1, we would instead recommend our Solo10G, or our Presto 10GbE PCIe cards here.
The Solo10G card are plug-and-play compatible on macOS 10.13.6 and above, and the Presto cards are compatible from macOS 10.8.5 and above with driver installation.” looking back it looks like I first tried the card with 12.6.2 so maybe the drivers got updated with 12.6.2
maybe you should read disclaimer I showed in this video and which is also in the video description. There is always someone like you who will always write comment "I wish you would do XYZ"... You as a content creator must get the same, so please don't be like the others. Read, watch, all the info needed is there. I provided clear informations, I did not hide anything, provided official specs etc. If I would have unlimited time and money I would put into each video 20000000 hours with no problem, but I'm not a millionaire with unlimited time
The 1st pci above the graphics is faster, I think...
A great way to breathe new life into an old rig with modern conveniences. This will be perfect for my old i7 3rd gen build
yes, that's exactly as you said 😀
@@morgonautenjoy your affiliate kick back! You deserve it! Just used the link to purchase it
@Popo Ramos - for your purchase Amazon would send me something around $7.50 at maximum(then I need to pay several fees from it, taxes etc.) so at the end I will get like $3 or so and that's obviously nothing against how much money, time and effort I wasted on bringing you this useful video. But thank you for being smart and grateful, you are one of only 0.015% percent of people doing so. If all people would act like you then it would be almost heaven on Earth
@@morgonaut Reporting back, finally got it installed and its working flawlessly! I’m able to take advantage of everything this card has to offer. I went with a single 4gb drive, with plans on adding another in the near future. Thank you! The only part that I probably need a workaround is that the USB C are in the back, a little bit impractical for daily use.
you can put this card into TB enclosure and place it on your desk right in front of you if you don't like that all PCs have slots on the back of computer 😇
Great job 💜
@JayTheLane - thank you 🙏
M1 Mac Mini will be in the recycling bin before these 5,1's will. Especially with only 8gigs of ram.
M1 Mac Mini still has and will have it's use case for people which know what to expect. Same applies to 5,1
Dear Morgonaut! Thank you so much for your great videos! I am a big fan of your clear explanations 🤩..I have 4x MP 5,1 with Open Core running at my studio and bought McFiver cards for all of them. Then I discovered, that the 10Gbe is not working and found a workaround, installing Big Sur with an additional Solo10G PCIe Cards to the McFivers to have access to my RAID at 10Gbe speed. With the update from Jazzzny it is now possible to run Monterey with all options of the McFiver card, including 10Gbe! Please stay as clear and professional as you are and don't be dragged down by the people who can't manage to read your text inserts in the videos😋All the best wishes from Vienna!
@clemensfischer - I'm glad you like my production. Best thanks would be if you share my videos on forums/socials so it can help to more people and that will in return help to me to produce for you more quality content and still for free.
BTW can you reach my on email in ABOUT this channel? I'd like to discuss the MP with you personally.
@clemensfischer - I see you wrote me email and I already answered to you, I hope you will find it interesting.
I used sonnet on my G4's I 'm surprised you found one for this mac but thx for the info
Sonnet was in the past know for CPU accelerators like the G3 and G4 one, but that's completely different form what I showed in this video, this card is made for PCIe, no PowerPC Mac had PCIe slots :)
at the price of the card, is it really cost efficient to add it to a 5,1? yes the performance is incredible, but that's roughly the price of the entire mac pro! adding this to the 2019 or 2023 Mac Pros would be good, although 10GbE and thunderbolt 3 ports are already built in, but I'm sure nobody would say no to more!
performance results in 2019 Mac Pro and with Apple silicon coming soon 😇
I said same thing... Great card but it costs as much as the whole computer...Are there any simple, cheap, dual nvme cards that just focus on combining the speed of 2 drives into double speed on pcie 2.0 without all the extra s that this card has?
I had a sonnet tempo raid card - failed a month or so out of its 2 year warranty, so I'm put off getting another card, maybe if theyres a 5 year warranty.
I get 500Mbps with a owc sata ssd card anyway which is plenty fast.
But it's mental the speeds you've got! I'm more tempted to just get a macmini for fcpx
@mulls2go - darling they (Sonnet) provide lifetime support. But if you would still have any problem to RMA or reach the support then contact me and I will contact Sonnet for you directly and help you with it, I have very good relationship with their support
@@morgonaut yeah I contacted them, think it was because I bought it from amazon and not them direct so didn't get longer warranty. It was 3-4 years ago now. Edit, was in 2019 and they offered to repair it but they said I'd have to cover postage costs both ways so sold it on ebay for spares / repair.
@mulls2go - OK, so from what you wrote it's clear they offered to you FREE repair and you just had to pay shipping costs, which sounds to me super great offer from them ven when the unit was not in warranty anymore
@@morgonaut I just looked at my email from 2019 and they mention shipping cost of 60-120usd, I assume this covers both ways, not sure, from uk.
I was living away for 6 months during this period, so used the card for a total of 18months. Just one of those things, we all get the odd dud unit. But I'm put off buying another, though their USB 3 card I have is still going strong today.
Think he said the return is free within usa.
This is a nice card thanks for the review!
You're welcome, thanks for watching
Thanks!
Welcome
Teeda tvuj přízvuk je strašlivej :D ale zabíjíš taky mam rád tenhle Mac Pro potřebuju tam dostat pořádnou grafiku máš s tim zkušenost?
mam RTX 3060FE a potřebuju aby mi tam běžela :)
That's very cool!!! Thanks for posting!
Glad you liked it Bob 😇
Great!!! I see you use Radeon graphic card..is it supporting métal? Of yes What is the référence ? I use a gtx 680 but it is too big … Thanks
of course my GPU supports Metal :) It's a Navi GPU. You know I like 1 slot GPUs
nice video morgonaut why did you choose that particular brand 8TB nvme is it more reliable than others!
@clivesaunders5576 - I explained why in my videos, mostly because of the huge TBW
I still love my 5,1 but for the price of those two 8tb sticks alone you can damn near get a Mac Studio M2 lol
@streetlife20 - nobody is forcing you to buy two top of the line NVMe disks, you can buy any cheap crap you want
@@morgonaut is that right….. well you don’t say 😳
Thanks for sharing this news!!! Is it works on Catalina? I was able to run only Catalina on my beloved Mac Pro 5.1...no opencore at now...Too difficult for me to install...
in video description I gave you link to full official specs
if you want I can help you to install Monterey on your MP5,1 - link to my help is in video description
@@morgonaut Install Monterey without OpenCore? That sounds interesting for me. Everyone is now using OpenCore to allow newer macOS in such Cheesegrater MP 5,1 including myself. Anyway I'm impressed with this news. Will buy the card.
I never said without opencore!
I still use my 5,1 Cheese Grater. its may main machine still, I got tons of ram, and the best upgrade is first a PCI SSD card. Like night and day. The main issue with these macs is the weak Video card. I upgraded to a "MSI AMD HD 7950 Twin Frozr III 3GD5/OC PCIe x16 3.0 Video Card". It just recently gave up the ghost and I played hell finding another one. I think maybe the last one available. The next upgrade after the SSD has to be the video card. The one that gave up the ghost had a HDMI slot but this new one does not. What are you gunna do.
@rich6081 - why would you want to upgrade to ancient 7950 when you can have recent RX 5000 or 6000 series??? Makes no sense to me
@@morgonaut I will tell you. Hear me out. Back in ancient times, Adobe started buying up all it's competitors. That included Macromedia whos products were and still are light years better than the best Adobe apps. I knew then Adobe was going to kill off all the great apps and I read adobe was going to force everyone to Start RENTING their products so then you could not OWN any of their products. I am sorry I am NOT GONG to RENT SOFTWARE. So I bought the huge CS6 master suite. Had everything including After effects for like $2,600. I use after effects almost every day. CS6 After effects will not Run on any OS above 10.5, which is what I run becasue of that fact. BUT it will not run the cards you mentioned. My OS on that machine is so outdated the browes dont even work..... But Iam not paying rent for my programs that still do magical work. I have researched 100s of hours on a better card. The only ones I can find that will run under OS10.5 that I know. If you know of another GPU that will run under 10.5 I am all ears. Its not the machine I have issues with per say for a newer GPU its the OS I still have to run.
There are a handful of apps I use such as Photoshop, Illustrator, after effect and blah blah blah. Renting them each month is higher than my car payment
I have other machines that are up to date but all my heavy lifting is on this old 5,1 running OS 10.5
@rich6081 - I remember those days very well, I started on QUadra 650 about 30 years ago and I also bought pre-Creative Suite Adobe stuff, I have still here even installation of Photoshop 2.0 on 3.5" diskettes and many other software. And I also bought CS1, CS2, CS4, CS6. But these days it's simply bad idea to use Adobe because it's overpriced UNOPTIMIZED crap. So makes no sense to me wasting so much performance on table just because someone want to use Adobe.
I have a quick question...which I'm sure you can answer...I have a mid 2012 mac pro....is it possible to upgrade the processor to to one that has the AVX technology in it?
@803MUSICGROUP - honestly from my head I can't remember all CPU specs from past 12 years :) But in general I would not bother with upgrading CPU in 12 years old system and rather get any newer Apple Silicon Mac which is extremely cheap these days compared to old systems like you have in terms of price/performance
Can i use this card with the Mac Pro 3.1?
if you will run Monterey or higher then probably yes
I didn't test it in the 3,1 you would need to test it yourself
Great video!, very informative.Can I ask question regarding the raid0? I have mac pro 5,1 and I have 3 samsung evo ssd all of them are 250 gb then I made them into raid0 and the OS is included in the raid0, my question is, when i delete the raid0 back to the normal ssd because I cannot upgrade to mojave when I use the raid0 will the system will crash? Thanks in advance.
@marcialarmenta2049 - obviously if you have the system installed on the RAID and you will destroy that RAID then it's clear you will loose also the system
hi is that speed the same with one 8tb card using it on 5.1 Mac Pro with protools is it worth moving to this format
Great & Lovely Support
Kamlesh
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@kamlesh8818 - thank you very much. Take care...
I have Mac Pro mid 2012,
Can l use macfiver card
Please guide
Best Regards
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@kamlesh8818 - not sure why you ask when exactly in this video I showed it working in same Mac Pro 2012??!!
Thanks for the video! I can't get to boot manager with Option key pressed after installing the card on MarPro 5,1. I have old programs that require Mojave OS. Is there a workaround for this?
Good morning, Teresa, Could you direct me to the specs on your 32-core Hackintosh? I'd be interested in putting something like that together here in the states. Thanks, Sean...
@Sean McDermott - you are commenting on wrong youtube channel - this is my MACINTOSH related YT channel, if you want hackintosh stuff then you should watch my HACKINTOSH channel -> www.youtube.com/@morgonauthackintosh
@@morgonaut Aye, my mistake! Thanks for the correction.
no problem Sean 😇
Would you do some videos on installing Proxmox on a cMP and setting up VMs? Also that card is sick. I may have to order one.
@emarcellus99 - yes 😇
Is it possible to setup the 2012 cMP with a RX480 GPU with Proxmox and then virtualize newer than Mojave MacOS on it? If so I will schedule a VIP session with you. Thanks
yes it is possible 😇
Thanks. Talk to you soon and thank you for all the great videos. 😊
you're welcome 😇
Damn, this card is more expensive than my entire 5,1 with x5690 and 128GB ram.
@vesszbali - that's quite expected when you put modern card into almost 15 year old computer right?
Thanks for your video, what kind of magic was that getting 3000MB/s on a PCIe2.0?? even at 16x it is only 8Gbps?? do you have some info on this?? thanks!
that's Morgonaut's magic 😇 I'm kidding. Nothing special, good hardware and configuration and testing methodology
She’s using raid 0 which doubles the throughput of a single drive. But it’s at the cost of halving the reliability. Not sure what I would do with 16TB of raid0 except use it for scratch space
Will it work on 4.1 machine
How are you running monterey OS on this mac 5.1? Im stuck on highSierra still :(, great content by the way!
@rise_rise - I simply installed it 😇 If enough people will show interest I will do video tutorial how to do that.
@@morgonaut amazing! Thank you
absolutely you can run monterey, ventura and even sonoma , ...they all work using open core legacy patcher... just do some research
Young lady do you need 16TB to get those insane numbers?
@altonpaige2388 - life should not be only about doing what you need. I love to do things I want
@@morgonautGot it i'm ordering MF today!
Fun video. Thanks for the info.
I have a MacPro 1,1 upgraded to 2,1
It's still my main video editing work horse. Unfortunately it is stuck at MAC OS 10.11.6
And all the subsequent browsers are extremely out of date.
So while I have Macked (Pun intended) it out with max Ram and Processors and upgraded video card, it still is extremely out of date.
Any thoughts
overall to use MP1,1 for video editing is crazy idea from the ground 😂 so what do you expect my advice would be?? 😂
Eeek! Your upgrade there comes to $2,000 on Amazon! MacFiver plus two 8TB blades. UFF! I love my Cheesegrater....but with its age...not sure I can make that investment. Even down at 2x2TB, it is at $600.
@tomdfrog - nobody is forcing you to bring new life to your Cheesgrater Mac Pro, do what you want
So what OS do you have to have to do this? can you be on High sierra? Or does it have to be monetary?
why don't you click on the link I gave you in video description pointing to exact specifications from Sonnet on the official product web page??
Ok looks like my old mac pro 5.1 still have bright days ahead, thanks for the video !
I'm wondering what would be the best between a thunderbolt device like owc express 4m2 connected to a m1 mac vs a sonnet card in a slave mac pro connected to my m1 mac via ethernet.
I'm using that mainly for music production with a master/slave setup using Vienna Ensemble Pro 7, don't know if you're familiar with it :)
yes I know such setup, I equipped lot of music studio with computers and set that up
@@morgonaut so what would you think would work best between a master/slave setup with a mac pro equiped with this pcie card, or a thunderbolt solution directly plugged to the m1 mac (with no master/slave setup) ?
it's for longer discussion, setup which is best for one musician may not be best for another one, it's highly individual
Is adding thunderbolt to 5,1 possible? Need it for existing TB3 monitor?
For that you need a Gigabyte GC-Titan Ridge card, flashed for the Mac Pro.
What GPU are you finding that can maximize or balance best performance for the video in conjunction with the drive speed? I think we've got PCIe 2.0x16 for both the bottom and second up slots, but squeezing a GPU and a Sonnet card in this is pretty difficult and it's going to be rough to cool properly. Sure would be interesting if there were an option to externalize both of these or the entire PCIe bus for that matter and perhaps even provide more slots... any thoughts?
What’s the Best supported OS to put on the 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 or 5,1 ?
@computerenthusiast402 - honestly I like Monterey despite many people want always the latest, I don't agree with that
Hi, will this card work WITH OCLP and os montery on the mac pro 5.1. Very curious. Best regards PJ from the Netherlands, Edam :-)
@tgbedam2 - why you ask when in this video I showed exactly that, running on MP5,1 and OCLP!!!!
PLEASE PART 2
what exactly you want to see in "PART 2"? 😇
YES
@@morgonaut
"YES"?? You want to see "YES"???? 😕
@@morgonautjust ignore it
Super cool but so damn expensive... 300.00 for just a card is way over the top for an upgrade on such an old computer....if these were 100.00 or less, heck yeah!
@skip741x3 - it is not "just a card", it is very well feature rich card which can bring new life to old Mac Pro as well as new Macs and PCs
Hi Morgonaut. Will my Apple Magic Mouse or any wireless mouse still work with the McFiver installed? I have had issues in the past with an older Sonnet Allegro card where my Magic Mouse ceased to work! Would I need to upgrade Bluetooth somehow? Thanks for your help!!!
@chrismuzik6959 - I see no reason why your mouse should not work, of course it will work. McFiver has nothing to do with your mouse
sorry I am referring to Ethernet
@morgonaut is it possible to game with this set up? if not which graphics card should I get?
@xCDHx - of course you game with this computer. Get any GPU you want/can afford. I used the W5500 -> geni.us/ZkhVGd2
You are running OpenCore? I have a 2009 5,1 mac pro still running High Sierra, would Macfiver card still work?
yes I run opencore on my MP5,1 - specifications of the McFiver you have in video description
Hello!!
Mac Pro 5,1 - 2010
*2 x Intel Xeon 3,06 GHz 6-Cores
*40GB RAM DDR3 1333 Mhz
* Video AMD RX570 ITX 4GB 256biti
*NVMe Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB instaled on adapter Aqua Computer kryoM.2 evo PCIe 3.0 x4 Adapter for M.2
* Plus backup: SSD 240Gb Kingston
Dual Gigabit LAN
Price 300 dollars
It's okay for office and some games.???
Or
Mac Pro (Mid 2010)
*2 x 3,46 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon
RAM 32 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
GRAPHICS : AMD Radeon Pro W5500 8 GB
Storage :
1 - SSD 240 GB - OS
1 - HDD 1 TB - Scratch Disk
1 - RAID HDD 2 TB - Storage
Price 500 dollars
What to choose from the price and for the best configuration . Tanks
@florentinadrian - I believe best way for you would be to have a Zoom video call with me where we could discuss all your needs, expectations, workflow etc. so then based on that I could suggest to you the best possible setup for your specific use case. Link where you can book video meeting and remote session you can find in each of my video descriptions. Simply www.patreon.com/morgonaut or www.morgonaut.cloud/get-help
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Hi! Can i upgrade this mac pro A1289 with some newer AMD cards like rx560, 570, 580?
@Arikashirukashi - yes you can. What do you think I showed in this video? 5.1 running W5500 GPU
Hi, have you tried with a macpro 5.1 does the network card work? I just need a more powerful network card on my 5.1. is this the only solution to get it? thanks Tiziano I am writing to you from Milan
@tizianosantambrogio413 - this whole video is clearly about the card in Mac Pro 5,1 so why you ask about it? You didn't watch it?? In comments there are info about people who have the 10G working and I prepare follow up video about it and plan give people the correct EFI where the 10G will be working
i have the one of the best Mac Pro 5.1，but without this😢
so it's not the best one yet :) Then you should get the McFiver
@@morgonaut it cant be bought in China😤
@@morgonaut it cant be bought in China😤
I thought everything is possible in China as a country with unlimited options 😂
@@morgonaut I’ve been dual x5690,128GB ram,4TB nvme ssd and RX 6900xt liquid cooler,Gigabyte’s TBT3 card ,in front usb 3.1 Type A&C,also the new wifi ,but no 10Gb Eport 🥲 because no pcie solt anymore.
Thanks girl 😘
@nedafarshid1997 - you're welcome girl 😇
Hello , my Mac Pro 5.1 work on Opencore Sonoma 14.1 new update 1.20 off only on montery Mac OS?
@Pritty-boy - your question makes no sense, try to say it better
@@morgonaut Does the Sonnet mcfiver work with Macos Sonoma on Mac pro 5.1?
Not so especific regarding the bootable NVMe
Any more information
@izidrew - ??? what's your comment about?
@@morgonaut Sorry that I was to clear. What I would like to know is, if the NVME strips are not raided it will show up with 2 volumes and one of them will be bootable if is not raided, right? Even if there is a Partition? Can you make a partition from a RAID? I would like to have a RAID 1 with a bootable partition???
@izidrew - I said that in this video clearly and I also linked the official specs in video description so what you need more??
hello @morgonaut
i baught this card recently and installed 1x2 tb wd nvme Black SN850x mounted in raid 0
card was installed on slot 1 , when testing it gives 1500 max speed and crash and eject the nvme
i moved to slot 2 and test again , it gives the same speed , and sometimes it crash
im running sonoma 14.3 opcl on 5.1 mid 2012 mac pro 5.1
i would love to have a solution for this
thank you in advance
@rabihtannous3919 - you can book a Zoom video meeting with me and remote session to your computer so I can help you the best way - check link in video description or simply book it on my website www.morgonaut.com
only wish you could boot from RAID....
@denisstrok9898 - then you're happy guy when you miss only single thing, I would wish so many things to be different 😂
@@morgonaut 😁🙏
Wait, did she just put the heatsink without removing the blue plastic cover?
@Fabrice Manzi - darling don't try to school me, don't teach eagle to fly. I already used that McFiver so there was no sticker on it for months! Maybe you didn't notice but I'm not an idiot! 😇
So how well does the 10gbe port work? That part wasn’t mentioned in the video
@D. Harris - "that part" is clearly written in this video and is also written in video description!!! Why so many people can't watch carefully and don't bother to read????? 👿 Why you waste my time??
That's works in a midi 2009 mac pro?
@rafaelxavier8161 - ??? right in this video I showed it in 2009 Mac Pro!
@@morgonaut understood, i’m going to try this an a apple server, do you think that it’s the best option?