Arnold Schwarzenegger vs Lee Haney
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- (Bodybuilding Picture Comparison) Here we go with another great comparison between two legends. Arnold Schwarzenegger takes on Lee Haney in this champion vs champion match up. Arnold was of course the 1970's Gladiator round winner, and Lee took the 1980 title, so it is only natural we pit these two together in a comparison.
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Arnold’s arms and chest just can’t be beat!
Haney the last of the golden bodybuilding era.
arnolds arms were still gold into the mid- 80's.
Haney Has Good Genetics And Body Frame But The End Of The Golden Era Was The Late 1970s. In The 1980s The Diet Changed And They Also Got Bigger Then The 1970s Bodybuilders
@@chrisfly9 Yes, correct .
@@roadstar499 Where I Was Going With That Is That This Person's Comment Is Incorrect Led Haney Came After The Golden Era Not During It. People Confuse The 80s Bodybuilders With The Golden Era All The Time.
yes i know and agreed, i am 63, i started in 70's
If Arnold stays in bodybuilding after 75 he wins atleast five more Mr.Olympia's.
Agreed
He never won 72. Sergio was amazing..Even Arnold knows he didn't win that. 4:30
Love Haney BUT Arnold will always represent the ideal physique to me. Yes, he had weaknesses......a lot of them but, to me, he had the best look of all.
Arnold was hugely different between 1974 and 1975 so some pictures of 1975 look a lot smaller and less muscular than his pictures from 1974. Arnold was packing on 18 lbs of lean muscle mass more in 1974 than he was in 1975. It shows in overall fullness, thickness from side and leg size and conditioning superiority of 1974 over the 1975. I think all pictures of Arnold should be from 1974.
more like 6
@@charlesdescoteaux3140 No way bigger difference and it is clear in the pictures. Arnold himself said at the 2019 Arnold Classic Q&A that he weighed 248 lbs at the 1974 Olympia and 230 lbs at the 1975. He did not gain the same muscularity back in 1975 because of the "Stay Hungry" movie when he shed most of his muscles to go down to 200 lbs for the movie.
Yeah it's a shame the 74 arnold was not captured on film. When we think about him we automatically have the footage of pumping iron in mind where he was not at his best.
He was supposed to retire in 74 actually but the pumping iron movie made him compete on more year.
@@lesnuitssanskimwilde883 Yeah exactly. If Pumping Iron had been shot in 1974 ad showed Arnold's 1974 shape on video, minds would have been blown. From what I have heard, he was unreal (and it is clear from pictures). A few years ago, I saw a grainy black and white video of Arnold on stage with Lou Ferrigno from the 1974 context in MSG and he looked huge in that video. That video is no longer there. Not sure why it was taken down.
@@KLRGT500KR but we saw a lil bit of 1974 Arnold at the beigning of Pumping Iron
I love Arnold as much as the next person. But he wasn't touching Haney from the rear!
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Ye bro. That rear double was haneys all day
Haney came from a more advanced decade with chemicals and enhancements the 70s bodybuilders couldn't imagine.
But who cares about the rear :)
_"he wasn't touching Haney from the rear!"_
I'm sure *Kai Greene* would be willing to accommodate...
Arnold wins front double bicep and side chest. That's pretty much it. Your bias toward Arnold is on full display here.
Even these Poses are questionable. Haney had smaller waist, better V Taper, better Shoulders in Proportion to his Chest.
Arnold had better calves too.
ARNOLD superior ARMS,PECS,CALVES
HANEY superior
BACK, SHOULDERS,WAISTLINE.
The crab pose goes to arnold
Arnold wins all the way up to the Yates era on less drugs and inferior nutrition
Disagree
Haney's arms and calves were always underdeveloped compared to the rest of his physique.
Very much Like Dorian in the arms, but not the calves.
@p No, that's quite right.
True but Lee Haney's torso was the greatest of all time
@@collin355 He really was on another level there!
3:19... he doesn't come close to arnold.
Arnold is and always will be the king of bodybuilding....Haney had serious competition where Arnold had bugger all..Haney earned his 8' sandows the hard way.. Arnold was gifted afew of his..
Haney wins..(except for the biceps)
I am a Arnold fan. His arms, chest, and calves are timeless. However, Lee Haney's back, delts, legs, and overall shape are superior to Arnold's, in my opinion!
arnold beats most of them with symmetry.
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Arnold’s physique just flows super well and is perfectly symmetrical. I honestly put him at the top of my list. His 1974 physique is the greatest of all time, especially since he was pushing 250 on stage. Timeless physique.
Arnold ( 1974 ) vs Lee ( 1991 ) : Chest : 1 - 1, Back : 0 - 1, Shoulders : 0 - 1 Triceps : 1-1 Bicebs : 1 - 0 Foreams : 0 - 1 Legs : 1-1 Calves : 1 : 0 Waist 0 : 1 Scoring : 5 - 7 for Lee We must remember that if Lee took insulin in 1991 this comparison is unfair.
We only need to go back and listen to what Lee said himself: "If Arnold competed today (1988) he would still reign supreme"...
Iron Warrior he also said “ next to Lee Haney”
@@soulsergeant He had to say that but we know what he actually meant
I’m sorry but it’s clear that Arnold would still beat them because what he achieved on way less drugs is unreal. He beats Haney in a lot of poses and the incredible part about that is that Haney was a full time totally dedicated bodybuilder until he retired. Arnold has a really nasty knee injury in 72 and what he achieved for 73 is ridiculous for the tune frame. After 74 he lost all his gains to do a movie and only came back at the request of Pumping Iron filmmakers but partied throughout the whole time. Had Arnold continued to build on the 74 physique and pushed on up to 79/80 he would have been unreal. Haney peaked in his thirties whereas Arnold retired at 28. That’s a huge difference.
@@Jason-me1bs if u think he achieved that on lesser drugs then idk what to tell u
He actually said that at the '91 Olympia, not '88.
Arnold all day even king Ronnie gave it Arnold
He had to say that, he was just being humble.
He said that out of respect
The christmas tree on Arnold’s back is out of this world.
are you drunk? have you seen ronnie coleman
@@johntiles thats like comparing wagyu to a Belgian blue
I used to talk to an old bodybuilder at a gym I used to go to years ago. He claimed he was at the 74 Olympia and seen Arnold. His quote was something like “I’ve been to a lot of shows over 40 years and never seen someone look that good at 27.”
I am 66 years old and grew up in Bethlehem, Pa. I worked out at a gym where we would go to NYC to watch all the major shows. I was at the 73 and 74 Mr Olympia, and Arnold was bigger in 73 but more in shape in 74. I saw Lee Haney at the 84 Olympia, and I thought and still do that either the 73 or 74 Arnold would have won the show.
@@olegariomartinez6807 That’s awesome you seen him at his park with your own eyes. Crazy to think l he could still have been winning in the 80’s with a physique he built 10 years earlier.
Arnold was always ahead. I mean, if pictures do justice to proportions, Haney must look smaller in every way.
Absolutely s
Very close. Thing is if Arnold kept competing, he would have built on the 74 physique and evolved with the sport and Lee wouldn't touch him.
Lee in this matchup he is too dominant from the back and in the lat spreads
Haney's front lat spread dominates!
Haney said "Arnold had weak body parts". Now both were great, but Arnold had a beauty that Haney didn't. Haney had that wow factor but was not as perfectly balanced.
Haney's balance was way better than Arnold's
Worst coward judging ive ever seen. Always in favor of the biggest name.
Eventhough im Arnold boy, this comparison was a tie at best for arnold.
Lee was better in the thighs size ( weak calves tho)
Bigger back, bigger delts.
But the fact that a 70s Arnold can theoretically TIE a 80s to 90s champion says a lot!
@@arminass1681 You can't compare Lee to Arnold in the most of the poses. 20 years difference and Arnold is still destroying him.
@@fiz0746 only the 1973 mr. O of Arnold is timeless. ( say untill 1991)
Agreed. Love Haney but The Oak is King 🤴
I was actually surprised to see how well Arnold stacked up to Lee. Its certainly close. Its so easy to forget how great Arnold was in his prime. I thinks its more or less a tie as both have good points and some minor weak points. It would have been awesome to see Arnold in 74 battle Lee at his best. It would have been a war for sure.
Arnold Quads wasn’t sympathize with his physique.. his quads was almost as the size of his calves..his aesthetics was overrated in my opinion..
Thats ACTUALLY a factor that makes someone look aesthetic...golden era focused on perfect preportions/symetry....arms/calves/ forearms all the same size...overdeveloped outer quads with no hamstring development....etc.....theres a reason Zane looks "aesthetic"
Yeah big stubby legs are unappealing to me...
Tom Platz, Jay Cutler, Paul Demayo, Big Ramy, etc...
Just not a fan of giant quads on humans...
Throws the aesthetics off to me 🤷🏻♂️
@@carlosg3799 then how do you feel about flex's aesthetics? He had pretty proportionally large legs, certainly larger than Arnold, who was very top heavy
Arnold is such a master at posing. You can see he spent hundreds/thousands hours perfecting his presentation. Look for ex at the pray mantis pose, the way he leans back. He knows how to magnify himself and project a magnificient image. Haney does not possess that ability. He's hitting the poses but there's no magic.
Yes it's all about posing the presentation #1 knowledge of what makes you look better is a major key
Spot on
He can't touch the OAK. Arnold is one in a million! That why he's at where's he's at.
Exactly, most famous bodybuilding champion and idol, one of the most famous movie stars and became an American governor when not even from America. God is mysterious
Arnold have arms and chest,but Haney is more complete calves, sholders,traps
I am a true Arnold fan but I believe Lee edged him out I believe Arnie got gifted this victory I think Arnold was a true mastermind and just knew how to pose and display his body parts so much better than anyone else
Almost none of these pictures are from Arnold’s best year 74. He would look a lot better
Arnold Schwarzenegger in 1974 was in every way better than Lee Haney.
Marx Max Muscle, what a match! Look at that first pose! So similar structurally and asthetically.
Edit: I agree on your analysis. Great job!
The question is if Arnold 74 went up against Haney 91 who would have won?
Haney, but was close
I don't think I've ever seen a more obviously biased comparison than this 😂
Lol, front lat spread is Haney all the way.
No
His waist seal the deal
Ye like wtf??? Can't he see the details on lee ???
Also back double wtff???????
That's clearly lee's win the fook is this fuckery
Easily. Arnold beating Haney in the front lat spread is laughable.
No one can beat Arnold
If you think about it Arnold was 6' 2" and anywhere from 220-250 contest. Haney was 5' 11" and anywhere from 220-250 and many of these are Haney at 240-250 so Lee had quite a bit more mass on him for his height. If Arnold got up to 260-270+ then they would be more evenly massed and Arnold would be really mind-blowing, so Arnold has quite the size disadvantage here. As badass as Haney is I'm just a big Arnold fan, he's got a certain flow and lines that are hard to beat. If he had an extra 30-40 lbs on him I think he would take Ronnie
SIMPLE: DIFFERENT ROIDS ERA... ARNOLD IS THE BEST!!! HANEY HAD USED BEST ROIDS AND HE WAS IN THE BEGIN OF DIURETICS. ARNOLD ALL THE WAY!!!
BUT HANEY IS THE BEST LAST CHAMPION OF THE GOLDEN ERA AND THIS NO HAVE QUESTION!!
Holy crap, look how identical the angle is between the two photos at the start of the video. You could overlap those photos over each other and the outlines would align.
This was an Arnold fanboy video. First of all, this is 2 completely different era's. Arnold himself said he had wide hips that's why he always did a ton of twisting poses. Haney didn't have to twist to the side even though he did in some poses but it wasn't to hide weak points because he didn't have any. All those who say Haney had under-developed arms and legs, but it sure is funny how balanced and proportionate Haney was from every angle. Haney had the symmetrical qualities of the smaller guys like DeMey and Labrada, but still out-massed and outclassed the rest of the fields he competed against. Arnold's back was average, Franco's back was much better. His delts were also kinda weak, especially his rear delt. Another weakness Arnold has that no one points out was his triceps, and his legs were shit, and he had a wide waist from the front again that's why he always twisted to the side. Find a pic of Arnold doing a front double from a STRAIGHT ON ANGLE. Lee Haney was 250 pounds with a short, compact torso with a 27 inch waist, not mention small hips and tiny joints with Phil Heath roundness and muscle bellies are you f*cking kidding me? How can you compare Arnold to a man that was 3 inches shorter than Arnold but competed 10 pounds heavier and in better condition? Do we even have to bring up the rigged Olympia victories courtesy of the Weider boys? Did Lee Haney have to cheat like Arnold to win? Did he lose one contest during his reign? I ain't even a big Haney fan (Actually I'm a Heat fan) but I recognize greatness and he was the best.. Even Ronnie said it.
Personally I would have to go with Haney. I know Arnold was a bit taller but I think if you put them next to each other on stage Haney's back, legs, seperation and overall conditioning would easily give him the win.
Lee Haney was Dorian's height so he never was 5'11". He was more around 5'10" and Arnold standing beside Lee had around 4 inches on him back in the younger days when Arnold had not shrunk at the 1997 reunion of all Olympians. Arnold had a much bigger frame and his chest, arms, calves, overall lines and shape were simply unbeatable. Lee was competing in a much more modern era when a lot more emphasis was on legs so Arnold in the same era would have had been a lot better. Like Ronnie said, if Arnold competed in the same era, no one would have touched him.
If Arnold had taken the same kind of steroid plus GH like Haney and others should be invincible ....
Arnie's MM pose looks like someone sat a head on top of a mountain
Arnold of 1974 was his last hurrah as he was not going to look past that. He would not allow himself to be defeated, so he came in at his most thick and sculpted. Only the Pumping Iron documentary brought him back to the stage. The film needed Arnold to train for one last shot. And Big Lou was to be his nemesis.
The picture selection was in favor of Arnold but he could never touch Lee Haney, if it wasn’t the Weider’s bias well you all know the rest.
Lee was more of a complete package than Arnold was in my opinion.
The sarcasm was on point as always. Also yes, I notice that you put Haney's pictures a bit lower, just to know that he was shorter. Absolutely loved the comparison! 👍
Arnold is Numero Uno, AGAIN.
I would have given the front lat spread to Lee.
Agreed 👍🏾! Arnold has the thicker chest, but Lee with those cobra-shaped lats combined with the tiny waist takes it.
@@albertseanchen7929 I'd also add the muscle separation in the arms.
Easily. That was pure wankery on Max's part.
I think Lee Haney outweighed Schwarzenegger by a good 25 pounds. on a shorter frame so he was much thicker than Schwarzenegger.
Tough match and very interesting.Very difficult decision...….
Arnold at his best was the BEST!!!
BS ...wonder why you PROUD BOYS think that🤔🤔
No one can deny Arnold's chest and arms though. That overshadows a lot. Arnold was expert in emphasizing his strong features too.
Imagine taking 74 Arnold and giving him a modern trainer, nutritionist, as well as the latest supplements, equipment and technology etc. Arnold would have looked absolutely INSANE. He also didn't have the luxury of looking back on decades of Mr Olympia's and learning from them. People like to harp on Arnold's leg size but back then people probably didn't know legs could even get to the size which they did later on. I am sure if Arnold could have seen what Ronnie Coleman-calibre legs looked like he would have built his a lot bigger. It simply was not needed to be Mr Olympia in the 70's, although his legs in 74 were pretty impressive.
Both great champions. Very hard to judge since the picture quality is lacking. I would LOVE to see some high resolution, color shots of them both in all of these poses. Arnold's pure size, body structure & muscle shape are hard to beat. Haney's beautiful taper from wide shoulders & monster lats down to his tiny waist equally hard to beat. Haney's V-shape is truly amazing, very much like The Myth, Sergio Oliva. Hard to say which is superior. Both were the best during their respective careers.
No one can beat arnolds chest size till this day.arnie legend always
Arnold - better arms and chest.
Lee - better legs, back and shoulder.
There's something special and unique about Arnold's physique. Haney is good, but he doesn't have the magic that Arnold does.
Arnold has always been my favourite bodybuilder, as I started following the sport in 1980 when he won his last Mr O.
However, Lee does compare very favourably with Arnold. And may be the only Mr O who does?
Lee has a small waist and small hips, and really doesn't have any weaknesses?
Sure, some might say his biceps are a bit small - but that's only compared to Arnold.
If you look at Haney's front double bi at 3:20 his arms look pretty good, and same goes for the most muscular at 10:00 or the lat spread at 4:20.
Haney's front double bi is really impressive! His shape and those lats - WOW!!
I prefer Arnie to Lee, but I'd take Lee over Dorian, Ronnie or Phil anyday.
I think his abs look a little off bc of the gap and asymmetry. The abs are probably the body part most left up to genetics as far as looking good... You can't really do anything to alter the type you have- some people are super lucky to have super-uniform abs such as Dexter and Lee Priest. Whereas Ronnie, Cedric and Lee have the abs look like a giant finger and thumb pinching something
@@TheEnderBand Yeah, like any body part it's luck of the genetic draw. The only bodybuilder to have every muscle full and long was perhaps Sergio Oliva? Phil Heath too, but his skeletal structure is so bad - narrow shoulders - that his overall impressiveness - especially in relaxed poses, is greatly diminished! Sergio and Arnold looked like Gods standing relaxed, and Phil - frankly - looks like shit!! When he poses it's a different story..............
Arnold would have won 10 Mr olympias 1970 - 1980 if he did not pursue other things. Yes Haney and Coleman won 8 but where are they today ? Where is Arnold, I rest my case.
Front Lat Spread?
It's Haney all the way
Arnold had the biceps, Lee the triceps.
Arnold had better calves, Lee slightly better thighs
Arnold had a better lower back , Lee had better lats.
Both had unbelievable chests.
Tough call...Both WINNERS IMO
Those two, Schwarzenegger and Haney, are 1 and 2 all time!
Arnold 1974 vs Dorian Yates 1995 🙌
Surprised how well these guys compare
honestly... i would still go for Arnold...all the way... his overall physique as of a Greek statue for the eye to behold... an immortal physique
There was picture that used to hang in the (long gone) San Gabriel(Ca.) Astro Gym of Arnold hitting a Front Lat spread taken at sort of a side angle, it looked beyond human. This was long before "Photoshopp",& retouching was pretty obvious. The picture looked legitimate supposedly from the 73 Olympia. 73-4 were supposed to be his best where he showed up in the high 240's and diced. I had a buddy who was an Olympic Lifter, his Dad was an old time lifter and former Olympic teammate of John Grimek who brought him up around the strength athletics. They attended the 73 Oly, & John always swore that picture was authentic, that Arnold was his most insane that year.
Show us the Arnold front lat spread at side angle!
Recently went through my 1991 magazines, showing some 1980's fotos. Already were surprised about the average leg size of that era (much more aesthetic than today) - and now am truely surprised, that Arnold's 74 legs def could have competed until 1991... I think Haney's heaviest was around 112 kg at 180cm - like Arnold's in 1974 (185cm). However - The one and only .... Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Armold= biceps, pecs, calves.
Lee= everything.
I still prefer Arnies body, but Lee is better.
Kurt Vonfricken bc he’s white
neil tuyomajesty
No, that has nothing to do with it. Why would you think that?
Actually I think Robby Robinson is better than both of them. So stick your racism where the sun doesn't shine.
I choose Arnold’s physique too Because he has a short torso and long legs very ideal for bodybuilding
@@neiltuyomajesty4070 No it's because Arnold has fantastic lines, which makes his physique look very pleasing even with the flaws in his overall proportions.
Lee never had to cheat to win.
Lee was much better put together.
Lee wasn't so favored and promoted by the OWNER OF THE OLYMPIA that the old queen just couldn't LET anyone else win because he had so much money tied up into him.
Lee faced SO MUCH tougher competition.
Bullshit on Arnold beating Lee.
Best comment 😂👏👏👏
Battle of the greats!
C'mon! I'm as big of an Arnold fan as anyone else but Lee wins the front lat spread!
Both had good poins amd dominant in certain areas but arnold had a more pleasing overall shape
And those biceps couldn't be touched
This guy's commentary crack's me up...
The Haney ❤️
I don't think Arnold could win any pose than Lee haney
No way Haney loses to Arnold in the back. Haney has a better physique to me. That v taper and conditioning was top notch. Haney won this clearly IMO.
It’s clear that Arnold was skipping legs days a lot and had only 4packs among them in that era
Haney had a weird split in his abs that I’m surprised didn’t cost him wins.
Thank you for not showing a bunch of 1980 pictures of the Oak, he looked better when he was a 19 year old ( mass wise anyway). Both champions are awesome and represented the sport with class.
It never ceases to amaze me how I can find better pics on Google than you 😅🤣😂😄 the out one to these matchups are clearly predetermined.
Lee Haney is absolutely annihilating Arnold!
Arnold for sure 😎
Arnold could have won the Olympia 20 times if he wanted to!
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1974 Arnold was insane and how he destroys any version of Lee Haney just shows this 💪He shouldn’t have comeback in 1980 and tarnished his reputation with that controversial win …
Arnold wins the FDB and SC. Lee wins everything else
Great match up battle of the legends
a very good decision bro but it was damn close
Arnold's body flow is mind blowing....his body looks so so beautiful....in fact looks like he is natural although he used some ..
Arnold is Classic, Golden, the face of the Olympia. Lee Haney was the last great progenitor if that classic legacy of mass with class. Lee Haney was the last perfect evolution of small waist, symmetry and great lines.
Can you make the ultimate bodybuilder the way you changed the biceps.?
They should make pumping iron on 74.
Arnold's biceps and chest and massive 245 lb size in 1974 takes the win for sure. Legs were very good in 1974 for the Austrian oak
I had thought previously Haney would edge out Arnold but no, I see Arnold was slightly better.
That rear double arm pose Arnold's arms look a different level of Amazing.
Arnold's photos are trimmed, some of Haney's too. Haney was not so bad.
If you see Arnold in normal clothes compare them with Ronnie Coleman, Markus Rühl or Greg Kovacs.
Its clear you are a Arnold fan....
ARNOLD WIN ALWAYS EVERYBODY ,,HE WAS BORN TO BE A CHAMPION BODYBUILDER IN ANY ERA
Arnold doesn’t win the front double bicep.All the muscles are looked at in every pose and Lee is shredded in that front double and his chest is still looking full.Most bodybuilders chest looks flat in that pose but his chest still looks full and that vacuum abs is insane
Oak calves, biceps chest etc ,
Haney is hood but the air got me into. Bodybuilding 38 years ago
Who ha
Arnold's photos are often not hit to spec and they are always angled to hide his weaknesses. The Black and white photos make his conditioning look better than it was.
03:14 Just look at the double bicep, Arnold's body is not front facing like Haney, he is tilting to the side to hide his waistline and make his legs look bigger.
05:35 Camera man lying on the floor making Arnold look gigantic, Haney's camera angle is awful.
Lee Haney won hands down. I don't know what you see.
hmmmmmmm I wonder what you're seeing....Demetreus.
100%, in almost every pose.
73/74 Arnold is almost impossible to beat from an aesthetics standpoint.
This is going to be tough, because these are two much and long beloved bbs! I LOVE them as well!
In all videos with Arnold's physique being compared to whomever, Arnold is almost always shown in B&W photos vs. color photos of the other athlete. These comparisons clearly are not on the same starting playing field, therefore are ROUGH AT BEST. Color vs. color, B&W vs. B&W is the absolute minimal fair starting point for such subjective comparisons to be made.
I don't agree with you. The best Lee would win VS the best Arnold, due to superior back and far better legs. Overall, Lee would win. We still don't have the "Chest and biceps" Olympia. We still have a normal Mr Olympia, and Lee is more complete.