One hundred percent. If you can’t control a spazzy wrestler that is a white belt as a black belt? There’s an obvious skill issue and you probably shouldn’t have that black belt.
@@NOGIMXCHAEL There is _alot_ of blackbelts are just hobbyist and dont live to compete who gets f'd up by high level athlete wrestlers on a daily basis
Depends on the wrestler. If it's a high school wrestler who cares. If it's one of those high level college wrestlers that makes a huge difference. Then there are the olympic level contestants where I don't even judge black belts for losing against em' because those guys are insane to a point where some of em' go into high level Jiu Jitsu tournament matches as like white and blue belts against black belts and do well. I'm a brown belt and I've tapped to pressure before. As far as size is concerned since I'm in the Ultra Heavyweight division I have gone up against guys who are 100 lbs heavier than me and a great deal taller so trust me it happens. Lost once to a gigantic Purple Belt who used to be a strongman and play football. Idk what rank you are but we've got high level guys who know this is just something of a fact, some guys just have the technique and skills to put down high ranks due to talent, background, skill, and all of the above, just depends. And if u disagree well then it is what it is.
As a purple belt jiu jitsu practitioner and former high school wrestler, what jiu jitsu guys don't understand about wrestlers, is they train at a completely different intensity than 99% of BJJ schools. If a wrestler comes into your gym and it seems like he's going hard, that's just the normal intensity wrestling rooms train at, it doesn't mean he's trying to show you up or hurt anyone. All wrestlers train for competition, only a minority of jiu jitsu practitioners train for competition. It's a completely different mind set.
i think a big part is that jiujitsu can be dangerous at high intensity because adrenaline or ego can make you reckless and injure your partner or you might have an ego and not tap early enough.
@@kasaiicarus2234The point is, don’t get mad if a wrestler comes in and showcases high intensity. Take a step back, understand why they move with such intensity, and then teach the wrestler how to flow and the importance of flow. Dont immediately rupture someone’s ligaments intentionally because the white belt wrestler is “hard to control”. How the heck is dude ever supposed to know how to flow or what they are doing wrong if you just immediately hurt them as the black belt each and every time without letting them know what they first did wrong? That’s not logical. Part of being a black belt is the ability to exercise 1. Restraint and 2. Leader ship.
Yea I'm a purple belt and I've been humbled by good wrestlers many times, I have huge love and respect for the sport and love the challenge of trying to deal with good wrestlers. But to your point you have to be ready for a tough round
This is true. Any wrestler that has come into my jits class is always turned up at 110%. It's how their mindset is programmed in wrestling. I'm not defending the jits guy's actions, but in my experience, wrestlers all seem to have a 110% intensity that they can't seem to dial back.
Idc if he's a wrestler, he's a bjj whitebelt, you dont heel hook a newbie, moreover break their joint. He couldve just subbed him with a whitebelt/bluebelt friendly submission and NOT injure the guy Edit: i said the exact same thing, why didnt he just put the wrestler to sleep
Shoot the first day I walked in as a former wrestler 18 years off the mat. Purple and brown belts were throwing up wrist locks and leg locks the first day. thank goodness I have been a fan of bjj since the early 90’s so I was tapping early and often before they even finished locking up the legs/ankles😂
@@trevbonez836 bjj guy didn't give the wrestler time to tap, he was out for blood as the video implies. And sometimes submissions don't hurt even tho theyre already locked in, I've been injured before when I was just starting out, my partner put me in americana i think, didn't tap because I literally didn't feel any pain then a split second later I heard a pop/tear. Another example is my coach had me in a kimura, again no pain, so I was trying to escape, I felt an increase in pressure then my coach let it go 'cause I guess he surmised that it would've snapped if he continued. As I got more experienced I realized pain isn't the indicator my joint is about to break, now i can more or less tell when a submission is locked in, even in the absence of pain, I tap to avoid injuries. Sometimes it's not the ego of "I dont want to tap" but rather beginners not knowing that they should tap already
Believe it or not I trained with this guy at the UFC gym in Hawaii briefly. His GF was always watching, he always had an attitude, and his style of grappling was to be a bully and use his strength on people with smother techniques. Sometimes jiu jitsu doesn't humble certain people. It just emboldens them, and they will have to learn eventually as they keep going up
The wrestler is still a kid, this is so dumb his parents should sue this guy. When bjj guys come to mma training we dont smash their face and try to break them even if they hold on to subs that punches could just stop. Just tap and tell them is how we do it.
Exactly. Besides self defense scenarios (someone trying to crank a submission in tournament would also count), intentionally injuring someone is never okay, if they're being aggressive, you can always refuse to train with them.
A lot of bjj gyms have "unwritten rules" that they dont tell anyone about and when you break those rules, they take it as an excuse to do things like this to you.Its ridiculous. I didnt see anything the wrestler did wrong.He was either looking for a reason to hurt the guy or like you said, trying to get viral content.Sad that this is the only way some of these guys can get views.
Big agree, that was such a normal looking round. Ripping a heel hook on somebody who doesn't know what they're doing is inexcusable even if they are "going hard", which often just means being new and not getting cooked.
It’s your responsibility to protect your training partner and coach them up. Taking someone’s knee causing permanent damage is not acceptable. Dude wasn’t even wrestling hard. 😂
Dude in red is a cry baby. It’s a combat sport. If you take training at a high intensity as an offense, maybe communicate that, or just do something else for fun? Because some people are there to really train.
I'm a 40 year old hobbyist and me and my teammates "go harder" than that wrestler was. I was looking close for anything that could be interpreted as disrespect, just didn't see it from the kid.
When asked who threw the best punch he'd every seen , George Foreman said it was Ali, only it was never actually thrown . He was referring to the moment in their now famous fight where Ali had endured massive punishment at the hands of Foreman only to turn the tables and come back . But at the moment he had him helpless and going down , he held back his final punch . It would have been considered a clean , legal blow, but Ali knew it wasn't necessary . When you receive a high rank in ANY system of martial art , you are now considered an ambassador , even inside your own gym. You are teaching people to master THEMSELVES not others . This guy missed that lesson .
Brown belt here. Had a similar situation July of last year which was never properly resolved, and is one of the leading factors for why I left the gym I was training and teaching at. We had a big blue belt that would come in occassionaly to visit. He walked in during a Saturday open mat that I was running, and shortly afterward I rolled with him. I was relaxed and having fun, but this guy only has one speed: kill. I'd rolled with him before, and Ive been training for well over a decade so I'm not wholly bothered by folks wanting to up the pace. He caught me in a footlock and I tapped. I decided to increase my energy, but I was not rolling near as hard as he still. He caught my foot again, and I tried harder to defend it. He wanted the tap and so ripped on my foot in a violent motion. I felt multiple pops and immediate pain, to which I verbally and physically tapped. The dude didn't say anything, and motioned to keep rolling. I was immediately pissed and tore after him. Despite how angry I was, the adrenalin was pumping so I didn't feel any pain at the moment, and I only wanted to tap him. Caught him in a heel hook and he tapped out. Caught him in an armbar, and even with it fully extended he would not tap (which is something he was known for). After holding him there for several seconds I let go and the round ended shortly afterward. I'm not proud of getting upset and rolling. In fact I apologized afterward and asked him to cool it. He didn't like the criticism, and stated I should've told him to chill in the roll not after (because I had so much time to tell him when he was breaking my foot). It became clear then that this had been an issue for him at every gym hed ever trained at, and it followed him everywhere he went: a coach would have a conversation with him, because he was hurting people, not tapping, and treating every roll like Worlds. Where it got worse was when the gym owners got involved. We both brought the situation up to them, and they sided with the visitor. Keep in mind, that I could barely walk for a couple days following this incident, couldn't participate in kickboxing (because kicking pads cause severe pain in my foot), and just recently and finally got an MRI to see what was going on (bone marrow contusion in five spots, likely due to previous ligament and tendon injuries, and possible stress fractures). I felt insulted that they almost kicked me out when I was the one who was injured, and allowed a guy to stay who was known to injure people. I tried to trust and be loyal to them, but it was very hard to ignore after throwing me under the bus like that.
Wong deleted one of my comments on an old video of his where he said bjj is still the most dominant martial for MMA, all I said was “every current UFC champion is either a kick boxer with defensive wrestling or a wrestler with decent striking” he deleted my comment for that.
There are alot of guys in bjj that genuinely dont understand grappling. A guy claimed i punched him when I collar tied him. Good luck to you but wrestlers be careful. Overzealous martial artist are the most dangerous people on earth
I agree with you, nothing done in that clip was worth injuring over, and if that clip is what he is using for cherry-picked justification, i can only imagine the whole 5 minute round makes him look a lot worse.
Trust is essential in training. What he shows is he can’t be trusted. We have a responsibility to keep each other safe on the mats. To deliberately cause a lifelong injury for the sake of content and/or a hurt ego is low. I don’t know the full context but man that’s hard to excuse.
if this was my school, this person would have to find a new school. I think this is a problem with the coaching as well - the coach made the environment that didn't take care of the new student and didn't train that terrible mindset out of the ju jitsu guy (all the way to brown belt? you don't know how to take care of white belts at brown belt???). I think every even remotely skilled athlete knows - if you can't do it fast, you can't do it slow - the wrestler shouldn't be rolling with idiots until they understand what Ju Jitsu is versus wrestling. Also no phones on the mats.
I completely agree with you. As a former wrestler we are usually spazzy, not by choice, but by ignorance. A brown belt has a responsibility on the mat to safety shape a young white belt and teach them how to be safe. Instead, he did this.
It popped. My sound quality was bad. Go to his page and listen to it. It’s gross. Also the wrestler states that it popped multiple times in the comments
As a brown belt, I don't even allow myself to get close to finishing heel hooks on white belts. If I get the position, it's is treated as just that and I disengage and keep going onto something else. I believe it's good to accept spazzy and heavy rolls also. In real life you can't tell someone to slow or calm down so I allow it and turn it around. You gotta not have too much class to be harassed is all I'm saying, and it's definitely key to respect the health of your teammates and possible future teammates. OSS!!!
Hopefully what goes around, comes around. If he wants to take liberties with training partners, maybe someone will come around and do the same. Glad to have guys like you with good takes.
As a wrestler who's picking up bjj & is a white belt after seeing this if the coach or professor of that academy doesn't demote that brown belt I'd be happy with there being some negative reviews. Honestly that brown belt should know better & is a very bad example of his academy as well as the art form
This is so awful, normally I’m defending competitors who get badly attacked online for breaks or harder submissions that go viral ( as competitor myself it’s very frustrating to see people applying training rules to competition, as competition is place where you control your own safely, so you be mature enough to tap or take responsibility for getting injured) … but this is training!! You actually do have responsibility to keep your partner safe. On top this a WB with no understanding of twisting joint locks n rolling ediqutte - ( he didn’t break any rolling taboos anyway) This situation is one of the worst I’ve seen in a few years and this idiot posted it online… .. guys when visiting any new gym be extremely careful. Any roll can turn into a competition roll where the guy will injure you especially if you go very hard from the start . (Note to new wrestlers your normal rolls are hard rolling to many jits guys. That’s why this idiot brown belt got so mad. That n he was struggling on film .. truth is your doing nothing wrong, it’s on him to dig deep n beat you without losing his temper n maiming you (I’m brown belt as well n it’s easy to see what got in his head) but don’t trust strangers to do the right thing.
I have been doing jiu jitsu a long time and got into wrestling where I have been fortunate to train in some amazing rooms. As a jiu jitsu practitioner we as a group need to grow up and get our heads straight. Wrestlers train hard and the hand fighting is intense and awesome. It makes you better and hard hand fighting is how you set up your shots and put together a good defense. So when a wrestler goes for a collar tie it can feel heavy. Do not take it personally. Do not think they are trying to hurt you or bully you. They are not. Politely ask them to ease up and tell them why or use it as an opportunity to feel what it’s like and how you should adjust or better yet how to learn to actually hand fight and wrestle. Jiu Jitsu preaches about “flow roll” but will then rip a submission on someone hurting them because they felt challenged or got frustrated. When the professor or senior person on the mat sees a wrestler coming in they should mentor them and let them know the difference in training. I guarantee if you inform a wrestler that 99% of people in the gym aren’t used to the intensity and to be mindful they will understand. I always gauge the person I am training with and gradually increase the pressure if they are good to go. If they are good I ask if I can pick up the hand fighting a bit. You can absolutely tell immediately if someone knows how to wrestle. Same thing if a jits guy goes into a wrestling room. You tell the jits guy the intensity of the training and what to expect. You would also tell the wrestlers that this guy is new to wrestling and not to maul the new guy. Every time we get a new person in the room we let everyone know and everyone helps the new person and doesn’t just pound them. It’s awesome to see. We need to be understanding of each other’s sports and how we can help one another grow and get better. Take care of one another on the mats everyone. It’s a sacred place where trust is paramount. Let the egos go. Respect, get better and grow.
I haven’t ever trained at a pure jujitsu gym but from what I’ve heard a lot of people say from both at my mma gym and online, wrestling in most styles and mma grappling usually train at a much higher intensity than pure jujitsu
This is why Im glad I had wrestlers to train with coming up in my Jiujitsu journey. It's kinda lame to get mad at someone bringing intensity while you are a brown belt. Especially a white belt wrestler. The most "disrespectful" thing I saw the wrestler do was the "get up" thing.( You could say that was playful banter, but i dunno. The brown belt probably didnt help with the tension.) Other than that, Ive seen jiujitsu grapplers do some of the things the wrestler does. Glad to see someone with merit comment on this, and how this is not right.
Yes, absolutely out of line. I'm an Ultra Heavy Masters Brown Belt now that competes occasionally that has never hurt anyone. My job is to bring the new people along, teach them rules of the gym, have them want to come back, and make the gym stronger. This does not accomplish that.
In training oponent didn't wont to tap. I release submission and go for other. Choke are only one i go hard and dont get my oponent injured for him not tap.
heel hooks are probably the hardest submission for a white belt to know when to tap because they feel like they "aren't" working until your knee explodes, this is why alot of tournaments ban them at white belt. This guy needs to have his ego checked and it's sad that someone gave a person who can't control their ego against a white belt a brown belt.
I am starting to think a lot of BJJ people are getting tired of attitudes where wrestlers walk in like they own the academy. But there is no excuse for hurting someone. I saw another video the other day of an instructor teaching a student a “lesson” by wrecking his knees as well. Hardest thing to do in BJJ is letting go of ego.
I think this whole “wrestlers walk in like they own a place” thing is more of a projection of most BJJ guy’s insecurities than anything. This is coming from me, a guy who only does BJJ now and has for the past 4 years. Just because someone has a confident demeanor does not mean they’re cocky.
@@brandonreed3x exactly. They're not walking in like they own the mat. They're walking in like they're about to wrestle. Most of them are fresh out of hs and they haven't adapted to casual training yet. Just correct them and in a few classes they'll start to relax and take things a bit slower. If they've got an ego then they'll probably not come back, but in my experience they usually do. And they're great people to train with.
@@JEFFMAN90 nice generalization. There are over a 100,000 wrestlers in the US. How many have you had an indepth conversation with about their respect for BJJ?
This is why alot of us at my old boxing/mma gym hated bjj guys, lot's of them are roided up and think they're superior due to renting their masculinity from a vial and syringe and think their art is superior but can't even take a double jab to the face. Bjj looks cool and is effective but majority of practitioners in my experience are all the same type, ego driven.
The disintegration that we are seeing in broader society will continue and we shouldn’t be surprised to see this even on the mats. There are socios everywhere. And no, this wrestler wasn’t even going hard from what I saw especially for a “brown belt”
completely unacceptable, should of subbed him 10 times, not broken his knee. the bjj guy should be shamed and outed as a gutless coward. the wrestler wasnt doing anything out of the rules, just had intensity. the bjj guy should of matched the intensity with alot of subs. or accept he isnt all that good.
Yeah, if you’re a brown belt and you have to post yourself heel hooking and breaking a white belt wrestler because he offended you and then you claim it was because he had an ego problem, the bigger ego problem is the brown belt. Posting it on Instagram like it’s a flex is wild. And in my opinion, upper belts should be able to deal safely with spazzy tough new white belts or wrestlers who are new to Jiu Jitsu and if that’s a problem, maybe you need to improve your grappling to better deal with those wrestling skill sets. 🤷♂️
This was so wrong! I hope that guys leg heals fully. That wrestler was going hard but didn't do anything wrong. This is a combat sport sorry if you don't like that it can get rough sometimes. Wake up and smell reality. The brown belt knows how damaging that lock is and also that the wrestler wouldn't know what to do or when to tap. It's ok for a lower belt to beat you ! As long as ALL the lower belts don't beat you lol. A former competitive wrestler is not really a white belt. They are likely a white belt in submissions but a black belt already in standing position and at pinning etc. Have some respect for what is in front of you and you might end up with the best training partner of your life. I fully believe that BJJ without wrestling is incomplete.
Nah. Wrestlers are Blue Belts right? I’ve been told that wrestlers can come in and beat black belt BJJ practitioners while they have zero Jiu Jitsu experience. A blue belt would atleast recognize how to somewhat deal with a Heel-Hook.
that break was controlled and wasn't cranked. he let go immediately after the tap. wrestler had size advantage and was taunting him. people would never do this to renzo gracie or gordon ryan coz they'd get broken quickly. wrestlers don't understand that they still damage people with their intensity. an explosive takedown, framing on people's necks or faces, hard collar ties to the back of the head/neck. so when they go hard, why cant the bjj guy do the same? a wrestler is competent in takedowns, while a bjj guy is a competent in submissions.
@@brandonreed3x he continued the sub coz opponent didn't tap. if he let go, its likely wrestler passes and starts to smash him. when you take a guy down hard, the bjj guy can't retaliate? heck, wrestler had a huge size advantage. watch some striking vids, anytime one guy increases intensity, the other guy almost always retaliates. and the wrestler is not a white belt, he's considered a blue belt in most comps. also if a bjj guy goes into a wrestling room and scraps hard with people, you think the other wrestlers are gonna let that slide? your ad hominem attack doesn't bother me. i know wrestlers are better athletes (in most cases). im just a hobbyist and most athletic guys (most are bigger than me) don't know how to control their intensity. i get beaten up regularly. you fail to look at the bjj guy's perspective because of your bias in wrestling.
Ok, yeah the wrestler guy might have done a couple dumb things. Like the taunting to stand up, and the neck framing from standing. But being mad about a spazy white belt? Comeon man that's par for the course. You're in control of the match. Stop it at any time and tell the guy what he's done wrong. I've had white belt wrestlers pull me over my ankles into back takes, crank the hell out of my neck, and even once slam me out of triangle. Now the slam did piss me off, but I didn't take it out on the guy. I just corrected them. If they don't like it then tough shit. We train for longevity in my gym. Open mat isn't an open invitation to destroy people. To that brown belt. Do better. To the wrestler I'm sorry, we're not all like that. Edit: honestly the neck framing didn't look like it had that much weight on it, but I wasn't on the receiving end of it so who knows.
I'm a bjj purple belt from Spain and I think that's some normal problem in nowadays bjj. Like belts with some experience use to have some obssesion with submiting white belts at least 2 or 3 times in a match. But let's be realistic there's people who is much stronger than you and I sometimes have white belts and I can not submit them. I think this is like chess. Chess grandmasters are grandmasters not because they win a lot but becuase they are really difficult to defeat. So maybe I'm having problems to submit a white or even a purple belt (I nevere have the goal of submiting people in my trainings too) but it's not posible to a white belt to submit me or take advantage of a position, his only option is survive.
The onus is on the expert. He should have tapped for the guy instead of heel hooking a visiting white belt. Ridiculous. Only a matter of time before people realize that despite signing a waiver you can still sue for shit like this . Looks like neglect to me.
You can usually feel the ego people and with me I just go into pure defensive mode and wait for the timer. I don't entertain the going hard like it's a comp
so glad I don't train with ppl like that. guarantee he treats other people that way to "teach them a lesson" too. Vid didn't show the wrestler do anything wrong besides sparring with a higher % intensity than the brown belt initially, but the brown belt willingly matched the energy after the first 2 seconds so he can't complain, if he wanted the wrestler to go lighter he should have said "tap tap, wait can we go a little lighter" or something, or catch him in the submission to teach him a lesson but don't put it on if they don't understand it or know that they're in danger. like when you have a complete beginner in an armbar during their first session and they aren't tapping, let them know "hey watch out this could injure your arm you should tap" before you start making their elbow click. . Imagine being a brown belt and still being that immature and petty and easily angered.
Yea this clip makes me kinda sick man. Like i have an idea, how about teach the kid how to properly roll and teach him why we roll the way we do. instead of that his big ego would rather risk tearing the kids muscle from his knee
We don’t allow anything lower than purple belt come to our open mats and in some cases four striped blue belt to come to open mat but that’s rare. Heck, we don’t even practice with them anymore. But we are a heavy competition gym so they are big on protecting the competitors.
@@brandonreed3x Roberto Jimenez dad is the one who enforced the rules that’s our coach most of the people we train with are either in the UFC BJJ world, champions or NCAA champions from wrestling these rules help to keep us safe.
So you can hurt anyone who goes hard with you? Nah bro - bad take. If they’re going too hard communicate with them. If it continues, be mature. Stop the round. Walk away.
@@brandonreed3x my takes comes from a pretty strict gym we have rules in place that prevents these actions but I have seen people get stretched out coming from other gyms trying to hurt one of our competitors
Mmm I don't think anybody should be injuring anybody. I will say this though, both those guys have issues and need some anger management. Brown Belt is angry due to the aggression, White Belt did not wanna tap, tho ima give the White Belt the benefit of the doubt on not knowing about the Heel Hook and how it can break ur leg without u feeling pain that lets you know to tap.
I think this is a lesson to everyone rolling with someone you don't know. Especially visitors or visiting other gym. Go easy coz you don't know the person. That wrestler knows he was in a leg submission and still tryna fight of of it. It his fault. Now he is crying that he is only a white belt. Yea right
@brandonreed3x so is okay to visit other gym and go hard on someone you don't know? I'm also wrong, if you get injured because you didn't tap, is someone else fault?
He forgot that a wrestler can smash his head just like to what happen to Walid Ismael on concrete after he try to provoke a Judoka and they fough outside. Ended up in Emergency Room for a few days.
Guy with a wrestling background is stronger and more explosive than the guys at the bjj gym, and is used to go harder. Big surprise, whoop-de-do. So here are a couple of things he could have done instead of injuring the wrestler's knee. Talk with his words. Tell the guy that "Here on the bjj mat we like to go a bit slower, to get more time to think, to work on our techniques. When you go this hard it just becomes a wrestling match and you won't learn any bjj. So turn it down a notch. At least until you're prepping for a competition." Or he could have taken the opportunity to practice his bjj game against a spazzy whitebelt with strength, explosivity and bottomless gas tank. Wrestlers have great standup and scramble compared to someone who's only done bjj. That's an opportunity, not a problem. Or it should be. And rolling safely with somebody who doesn't know how to do that yet, is also a skill. Or he could have put the guy to sleep. If you want to teach the lesson "you're not all that" to someone you think has a little too big head on his shoulders, then choking him a couple of times could have done the job. This knee thing... that's not going to make anybody want to come back for more. That's my opinion. Cheers
Its more complex than you all realize. Ive been both sides of the equation so i understand both povs. At the end of the day, winning is not worth the hassle of a lawsuit. Let newb win even at the expense of your ego. No need to injure in training. The white belt will feel an ego rush let him have it
It's not complex. He ripped a heel hook, causing 3 pops, on the Knee of a White Belt who has trained BJJ less than a week. He's a young Brown Belt who competes often too.
Completely disgusting move but there’s similar from bigger gyms. One of Nicky Rod’s teammates horribly enough did something similar recently, told a guy they’d promote him if he tapped the higher belt and the higher belt broke his ankle.
@ Ethan was the guys name. Reading online it mightn’t be as bad as it first appeared, but he heel hooks this guy in his gym, fooling around roll, and the ankle seems to break because his team mate wouldn’t tap. Reading it may have been a pop but it sounded awful.
Bad take. The brown belt has the responsibility to prevent injuries and speak to the white belt. Not understanding when to tap does not mean you have a right to injure someone
No man. You ever get a guy in heel hook and he doesn't tap then you just let go and tell him that he needs to tap when he feels that pressure. Chances are he's waiting to feel pain before tapping and doesn't know that pain in a heel hook means you've likely injured your knee. That wrestler guy is lucky, and that brown belt went too far.
What’s the issue? IMO The guy has dramatised the whole thing, didn’t look like popped it and the kid tapped, I think the bjj guy was just being a bit of a diva 👩🎤 the wrestler was just training like 100% of my white belts train 😂😂
Joint locks aren't a part of wrestling. Literally all you have to do is say hey man slow down. I wrestle a whole lot slower now because that's just the safer thing to do for everyone involved. You can't learn to not be spazzy if no one tells you you're being spazzy.
Restraint is the calling card of true mastery. If a white belt wrestler has you in your feelings, then you’re not as skilled as you think you are.
One hundred percent. If you can’t control a spazzy wrestler that is a white belt as a black belt? There’s an obvious skill issue and you probably shouldn’t have that black belt.
@@NOGIMXCHAEL There is _alot_ of blackbelts are just hobbyist and dont live to compete who gets f'd up by high level athlete wrestlers on a daily basis
Nope thats the fanfiction culture that cuddle club BBJ Karen's are desperate to be real.
How are you a brown belt if you can't counter heavy top pressure from wrestlers that are around your size lol
a lot of places give out belts way to easily these days thats why. its always the west that ruins everything.
Depends on the wrestler. If it's a high school wrestler who cares. If it's one of those high level college wrestlers that makes a huge difference. Then there are the olympic level contestants where I don't even judge black belts for losing against em' because those guys are insane to a point where some of em' go into high level Jiu Jitsu tournament matches as like white and blue belts against black belts and do well. I'm a brown belt and I've tapped to pressure before. As far as size is concerned since I'm in the Ultra Heavyweight division I have gone up against guys who are 100 lbs heavier than me and a great deal taller so trust me it happens. Lost once to a gigantic Purple Belt who used to be a strongman and play football. Idk what rank you are but we've got high level guys who know this is just something of a fact, some guys just have the technique and skills to put down high ranks due to talent, background, skill, and all of the above, just depends. And if u disagree well then it is what it is.
@@teena-tz7lrweird. The west has the best grapplers in the word lol
As a purple belt jiu jitsu practitioner and former high school wrestler, what jiu jitsu guys don't understand about wrestlers, is they train at a completely different intensity than 99% of BJJ schools. If a wrestler comes into your gym and it seems like he's going hard, that's just the normal intensity wrestling rooms train at, it doesn't mean he's trying to show you up or hurt anyone. All wrestlers train for competition, only a minority of jiu jitsu practitioners train for competition. It's a completely different mind set.
i think a big part is that jiujitsu can be dangerous at high intensity because adrenaline or ego can make you reckless and injure your partner or you might have an ego and not tap early enough.
@@kasaiicarus2234The point is, don’t get mad if a wrestler comes in and showcases high intensity. Take a step back, understand why they move with such intensity, and then teach the wrestler how to flow and the importance of flow. Dont immediately rupture someone’s ligaments intentionally because the white belt wrestler is “hard to control”. How the heck is dude ever supposed to know how to flow or what they are doing wrong if you just immediately hurt them as the black belt each and every time without letting them know what they first did wrong? That’s not logical. Part of being a black belt is the ability to exercise 1. Restraint and 2. Leader ship.
Yea I'm a purple belt and I've been humbled by good wrestlers many times, I have huge love and respect for the sport and love the challenge of trying to deal with good wrestlers. But to your point you have to be ready for a tough round
This is true. Any wrestler that has come into my jits class is always turned up at 110%. It's how their mindset is programmed in wrestling. I'm not defending the jits guy's actions, but in my experience, wrestlers all seem to have a 110% intensity that they can't seem to dial back.
the dude wasn't actually going hard tho, the bjj guy was going way harder as evidenced by driving him off the mats and blowing his knee.
Idc if he's a wrestler, he's a bjj whitebelt, you dont heel hook a newbie, moreover break their joint. He couldve just subbed him with a whitebelt/bluebelt friendly submission and NOT injure the guy
Edit: i said the exact same thing, why didnt he just put the wrestler to sleep
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Shoot the first day I walked in as a former wrestler 18 years off the mat. Purple and brown belts were throwing up wrist locks and leg locks the first day. thank goodness I have been a fan of bjj since the early 90’s so I was tapping early and often before they even finished locking up the legs/ankles😂
why didnt he just tap?
@@trevbonez836 young and dumb lot of the joint locks don’t hurt until the damage is done.
@@trevbonez836 bjj guy didn't give the wrestler time to tap, he was out for blood as the video implies.
And sometimes submissions don't hurt even tho theyre already locked in, I've been injured before when I was just starting out, my partner put me in americana i think, didn't tap because I literally didn't feel any pain then a split second later I heard a pop/tear. Another example is my coach had me in a kimura, again no pain, so I was trying to escape, I felt an increase in pressure then my coach let it go 'cause I guess he surmised that it would've snapped if he continued.
As I got more experienced I realized pain isn't the indicator my joint is about to break, now i can more or less tell when a submission is locked in, even in the absence of pain, I tap to avoid injuries.
Sometimes it's not the ego of "I dont want to tap" but rather beginners not knowing that they should tap already
Believe it or not I trained with this guy at the UFC gym in Hawaii briefly. His GF was always watching, he always had an attitude, and his style of grappling was to be a bully and use his strength on people with smother techniques. Sometimes jiu jitsu doesn't humble certain people. It just emboldens them, and they will have to learn eventually as they keep going up
The wrestler is still a kid, this is so dumb his parents should sue this guy. When bjj guys come to mma training we dont smash their face and try to break them even if they hold on to subs that punches could just stop. Just tap and tell them is how we do it.
Exactly!
Good ass training partner
I thought this was disgusting and not worth it without even knowing the back story.
That’s fair!
Exactly. Besides self defense scenarios (someone trying to crank a submission in tournament would also count), intentionally injuring someone is never okay, if they're being aggressive, you can always refuse to train with them.
A lot of bjj gyms have "unwritten rules" that they dont tell anyone about and when you break those rules, they take it as an excuse to do things like this to you.Its ridiculous. I didnt see anything the wrestler did wrong.He was either looking for a reason to hurt the guy or like you said, trying to get viral content.Sad that this is the only way some of these guys can get views.
Big agree, that was such a normal looking round. Ripping a heel hook on somebody who doesn't know what they're doing is inexcusable even if they are "going hard", which often just means being new and not getting cooked.
It’s your responsibility to protect your training partner and coach them up. Taking someone’s knee causing permanent damage is not acceptable.
Dude wasn’t even wrestling hard. 😂
Bro barely did anything in the video that was bad. Imagine if a real spazz goes with him.
Dude in red is a cry baby. It’s a combat sport. If you take training at a high intensity as an offense, maybe communicate that, or just do something else for fun? Because some people are there to really train.
That was just wrong. It wasn’t even a remotely rough spar. The brown belt is a bully.
Even if someone is being a bad partner, it’s a bad reflection on yourself if you are willing to injure someone in the training room intentionally
The injury didn't look too bad but it was still very wrong of him to go really hard with that heel hook,the whole ego nonsense has to stop.
I'm a 40 year old hobbyist and me and my teammates "go harder" than that wrestler was. I was looking close for anything that could be interpreted as disrespect, just didn't see it from the kid.
Yea. I’m with you. Besides the taunting to Stand up (but he’s a young kid who’s immature). Doesn’t warrant ripping a heel hook
When asked who threw the best punch he'd every seen , George Foreman said it was Ali, only it was never actually thrown . He was referring to the moment in their now famous fight where Ali had endured massive punishment at the hands of Foreman only to turn the tables and come back . But at the moment he had him helpless and going down , he held back his final punch . It would have been considered a clean , legal blow, but Ali knew it wasn't necessary . When you receive a high rank in ANY system of martial art , you are now considered an ambassador , even inside your own gym. You are teaching people to master THEMSELVES not others . This guy missed that lesson .
Couldn’t have said it better 🤝🤝
Brown belt here. Had a similar situation July of last year which was never properly resolved, and is one of the leading factors for why I left the gym I was training and teaching at.
We had a big blue belt that would come in occassionaly to visit. He walked in during a Saturday open mat that I was running, and shortly afterward I rolled with him. I was relaxed and having fun, but this guy only has one speed: kill. I'd rolled with him before, and Ive been training for well over a decade so I'm not wholly bothered by folks wanting to up the pace. He caught me in a footlock and I tapped. I decided to increase my energy, but I was not rolling near as hard as he still. He caught my foot again, and I tried harder to defend it. He wanted the tap and so ripped on my foot in a violent motion. I felt multiple pops and immediate pain, to which I verbally and physically tapped. The dude didn't say anything, and motioned to keep rolling.
I was immediately pissed and tore after him. Despite how angry I was, the adrenalin was pumping so I didn't feel any pain at the moment, and I only wanted to tap him. Caught him in a heel hook and he tapped out. Caught him in an armbar, and even with it fully extended he would not tap (which is something he was known for). After holding him there for several seconds I let go and the round ended shortly afterward.
I'm not proud of getting upset and rolling. In fact I apologized afterward and asked him to cool it. He didn't like the criticism, and stated I should've told him to chill in the roll not after (because I had so much time to tell him when he was breaking my foot). It became clear then that this had been an issue for him at every gym hed ever trained at, and it followed him everywhere he went: a coach would have a conversation with him, because he was hurting people, not tapping, and treating every roll like Worlds.
Where it got worse was when the gym owners got involved. We both brought the situation up to them, and they sided with the visitor. Keep in mind, that I could barely walk for a couple days following this incident, couldn't participate in kickboxing (because kicking pads cause severe pain in my foot), and just recently and finally got an MRI to see what was going on (bone marrow contusion in five spots, likely due to previous ligament and tendon injuries, and possible stress fractures). I felt insulted that they almost kicked me out when I was the one who was injured, and allowed a guy to stay who was known to injure people. I tried to trust and be loyal to them, but it was very hard to ignore after throwing me under the bus like that.
That sucks man, I'm sorry to hear that.
Sounds like dude wont learn till he gets maimed or worse plenty of videos of big guys getting introduced to lead or iron in the street
Wong deleted one of my comments on an old video of his where he said bjj is still the most dominant martial for MMA, all I said was “every current UFC champion is either a kick boxer with defensive wrestling or a wrestler with decent striking” he deleted my comment for that.
This guy deletes any comment that disagrees with him. 🤣
Every "humbled by jiujitsu" video is never the jiujitsu guy trying something else
ripping that inside heelhook was absolutely unnecessary!
the new guy did not deserve that
There are alot of guys in bjj that genuinely dont understand grappling. A guy claimed i punched him when I collar tied him. Good luck to you but wrestlers be careful. Overzealous martial artist are the most dangerous people on earth
Yea. It’s wild.
Agree 100%. Used to follow the guy. Unfollowed and made sure he won’t show up in my feed again. Not rewarding that kind of content with more views.
I agree with you, nothing done in that clip was worth injuring over, and if that clip is what he is using for cherry-picked justification, i can only imagine the whole 5 minute round makes him look a lot worse.
Trust is essential in training. What he shows is he can’t be trusted. We have a responsibility to keep each other safe on the mats. To deliberately cause a lifelong injury for the sake of content and/or a hurt ego is low. I don’t know the full context but man that’s hard to excuse.
if this was my school, this person would have to find a new school.
I think this is a problem with the coaching as well - the coach made the environment that didn't take care of the new student and didn't train that terrible mindset out of the ju jitsu guy (all the way to brown belt? you don't know how to take care of white belts at brown belt???).
I think every even remotely skilled athlete knows - if you can't do it fast, you can't do it slow - the wrestler shouldn't be rolling with idiots until they understand what Ju Jitsu is versus wrestling.
Also no phones on the mats.
I completely agree with you. As a former wrestler we are usually spazzy, not by choice, but by ignorance.
A brown belt has a responsibility on the mat to safety shape a young white belt and teach them how to be safe.
Instead, he did this.
Good thoughts on this one. Unfortunately, this is a great example of the draw of sensationalism.
Forsure!
Did his knee really pop, or did the guy just type "pop, pop, pop". The kid looks like he got up after?
It popped. My sound quality was bad. Go to his page and listen to it. It’s gross. Also the wrestler states that it popped multiple times in the comments
As a brown belt, I don't even allow myself to get close to finishing heel hooks on white belts. If I get the position, it's is treated as just that and I disengage and keep going onto something else. I believe it's good to accept spazzy and heavy rolls also. In real life you can't tell someone to slow or calm down so I allow it and turn it around. You gotta not have too much class to be harassed is all I'm saying, and it's definitely key to respect the health of your teammates and possible future teammates. OSS!!!
This is not what martial arts is about. Sick of the egos.
I agree with you. I appreciate how calm and reflective you are. If you are in Knoxville please come for a seminar.
Thanks! Would love to.
Its wild when people take collar ties personally, soft
he barely put it on him too 😂
Honestly I really dislike Instagram jiu jitsu, so much of it is built on trying to embarrass someone else for social media following
Hopefully what goes around, comes around. If he wants to take liberties with training partners, maybe someone will come around and do the same. Glad to have guys like you with good takes.
As a wrestler who's picking up bjj & is a white belt after seeing this if the coach or professor of that academy doesn't demote that brown belt I'd be happy with there being some negative reviews. Honestly that brown belt should know better & is a very bad example of his academy as well as the art form
all for it
I agree with you.
Has anyone ever seen someone get demoted in the USA though? Usually they just get kicked out of the gym.
Agree with everything you said. Saw the post and I was like that's kind of bad look
This is so awful, normally I’m defending competitors who get badly attacked online for breaks or harder submissions that go viral
( as competitor myself it’s very frustrating to see people applying training rules to competition, as competition is place where you control your own safely, so you be mature enough to tap or take responsibility for getting injured) …
but this is training!! You actually do have responsibility to keep your partner safe. On top this a WB with no understanding of twisting joint locks n rolling ediqutte - ( he didn’t break any rolling taboos anyway)
This situation is one of the worst I’ve seen in a few years and this idiot posted it online…
.. guys when visiting any new gym be extremely careful. Any roll can turn into a competition roll where the guy will injure you especially if you go very hard from the start
. (Note to new wrestlers your normal rolls are hard rolling to many jits guys. That’s why this idiot brown belt got so mad. That n he was struggling on film ..
truth is your doing nothing wrong, it’s on him to dig deep n beat you without losing his temper n
maiming you (I’m brown belt as well n it’s easy to see what got in his head) but don’t trust strangers to do the right thing.
I have been doing jiu jitsu a long time and got into wrestling where I have been fortunate to train in some amazing rooms. As a jiu jitsu practitioner we as a group need to grow up and get our heads straight. Wrestlers train hard and the hand fighting is intense and awesome. It makes you better and hard hand fighting is how you set up your shots and put together a good defense. So when a wrestler goes for a collar tie it can feel heavy. Do not take it personally. Do not think they are trying to hurt you or bully you. They are not. Politely ask them to ease up and tell them why or use it as an opportunity to feel what it’s like and how you should adjust or better yet how to learn to actually hand fight and wrestle.
Jiu Jitsu preaches about “flow roll” but will then rip a submission on someone hurting them because they felt challenged or got frustrated. When the professor or senior person on the mat sees a wrestler coming in they should mentor them and let them know the difference in training. I guarantee if you inform a wrestler that 99% of people in the gym aren’t used to the intensity and to be mindful they will understand. I always gauge the person I am training with and gradually increase the pressure if they are good to go. If they are good I ask if I can pick up the hand fighting a bit. You can absolutely tell immediately if someone knows how to wrestle. Same thing if a jits guy goes into a wrestling room. You tell the jits guy the intensity of the training and what to expect. You would also tell the wrestlers that this guy is new to wrestling and not to maul the new guy. Every time we get a new person in the room we let everyone know and everyone helps the new person and doesn’t just pound them. It’s awesome to see.
We need to be understanding of each other’s sports and how we can help one another grow and get better. Take care of one another on the mats everyone. It’s a sacred place where trust is paramount. Let the egos go. Respect, get better and grow.
I haven’t ever trained at a pure jujitsu gym but from what I’ve heard a lot of people say from both at my mma gym and online, wrestling in most styles and mma grappling usually train at a much higher intensity than pure jujitsu
I think every gym needs a rule board that specifies the etiquettes of rolling ie dont go super hard with a stranger and dont heel hook white belts
I agree
This is why Im glad I had wrestlers to train with coming up in my Jiujitsu journey. It's kinda lame to get mad at someone bringing intensity while you are a brown belt. Especially a white belt wrestler. The most "disrespectful" thing I saw the wrestler do was the "get up" thing.( You could say that was playful banter, but i dunno. The brown belt probably didnt help with the tension.) Other than that, Ive seen jiujitsu grapplers do some of the things the wrestler does. Glad to see someone with merit comment on this, and how this is not right.
Yes, absolutely out of line. I'm an Ultra Heavy Masters Brown Belt now that competes occasionally that has never hurt anyone. My job is to bring the new people along, teach them rules of the gym, have them want to come back, and make the gym stronger.
This does not accomplish that.
In training oponent didn't wont to tap. I release submission and go for other. Choke are only one i go hard and dont get my oponent injured for him not tap.
heel hooks are probably the hardest submission for a white belt to know when to tap because they feel like they "aren't" working until your knee explodes, this is why alot of tournaments ban them at white belt. This guy needs to have his ego checked and it's sad that someone gave a person who can't control their ego against a white belt a brown belt.
I am starting to think a lot of BJJ people are getting tired of attitudes where wrestlers walk in like they own the academy. But there is no excuse for hurting someone. I saw another video the other day of an instructor teaching a student a “lesson” by wrecking his knees as well. Hardest thing to do in BJJ is letting go of ego.
I think this whole “wrestlers walk in like they own a place” thing is more of a projection of most BJJ guy’s insecurities than anything. This is coming from me, a guy who only does BJJ now and has for the past 4 years. Just because someone has a confident demeanor does not mean they’re cocky.
@@brandonreed3x True.
@@brandonreed3x exactly. They're not walking in like they own the mat. They're walking in like they're about to wrestle. Most of them are fresh out of hs and they haven't adapted to casual training yet. Just correct them and in a few classes they'll start to relax and take things a bit slower. If they've got an ego then they'll probably not come back, but in my experience they usually do. And they're great people to train with.
A lot of wrestlers do have bad attitudes in BJJ and do not respect the art.
@@JEFFMAN90 nice generalization. There are over a 100,000 wrestlers in the US. How many have you had an indepth conversation with about their respect for BJJ?
Has anyone gone over the whole “ please tap instantly, and you wont get a popped?”
This is why alot of us at my old boxing/mma gym hated bjj guys, lot's of them are roided up and think they're superior due to renting their masculinity from a vial and syringe and think their art is superior but can't even take a double jab to the face. Bjj looks cool and is effective but majority of practitioners in my experience are all the same type, ego driven.
The sad truth.
The disintegration that we are seeing in broader society will continue and we shouldn’t be surprised to see this even on the mats. There are socios everywhere.
And no, this wrestler wasn’t even going hard from what I saw especially for a “brown belt”
Yea, I agree with your entire comment.
This guy couldn’t even submit a white belt with a legit submission so had to resort to a heel hook on a guy who has no idea what a heel hook is
completely unacceptable, should of subbed him 10 times, not broken his knee. the bjj guy should be shamed and outed as a gutless coward. the wrestler wasnt doing anything out of the rules, just had intensity. the bjj guy should of matched the intensity with alot of subs. or accept he isnt all that good.
Hate that there’s a lot of cuts in the video
Unspoken injuries always go to far but this time it’s caught on video. I understand the Gracies now!
Yeah, if you’re a brown belt and you have to post yourself heel hooking and breaking a white belt wrestler because he offended you and then you claim it was because he had an ego problem, the bigger ego problem is the brown belt. Posting it on Instagram like it’s a flex is wild.
And in my opinion, upper belts should be able to deal safely with spazzy tough new white belts or wrestlers who are new to Jiu Jitsu and if that’s a problem, maybe you need to improve your grappling to better deal with those wrestling skill sets. 🤷♂️
The IG FLEX is crazy buisness
I didn’t even think it was ok to use leg stuff on white belt. A heel hook against a newb is just absurd.
Someone posted on Reddit the other day about canceling this dude.
🤢🤢🥴 damn that knee noise I know you said you had bad quality but I can hear the crunch
This was so wrong! I hope that guys leg heals fully.
That wrestler was going hard but didn't do anything wrong. This is a combat sport sorry if you don't like that it can get rough sometimes. Wake up and smell reality.
The brown belt knows how damaging that lock is and also that the wrestler wouldn't know what to do or when to tap. It's ok for a lower belt to beat you ! As long as ALL the lower belts don't beat you lol. A former competitive wrestler is not really a white belt. They are likely a white belt in submissions but a black belt already in standing position and at pinning etc. Have some respect for what is in front of you and you might end up with the best training partner of your life.
I fully believe that BJJ without wrestling is incomplete.
Why does this guy sound like Nicky rod
I get this a lot
Nah. Wrestlers are Blue Belts right? I’ve been told that wrestlers can come in and beat black belt BJJ practitioners while they have zero Jiu Jitsu experience. A blue belt would atleast recognize how to somewhat deal with a Heel-Hook.
The whole “wrestlers are blue belt thing” is wild. Makes no sense. Wrestling is not BJJ.
that break was controlled and wasn't cranked. he let go immediately after the tap. wrestler had size advantage and was taunting him. people would never do this to renzo gracie or gordon ryan coz they'd get broken quickly. wrestlers don't understand that they still damage people with their intensity. an explosive takedown, framing on people's necks or faces, hard collar ties to the back of the head/neck. so when they go hard, why cant the bjj guy do the same? a wrestler is competent in takedowns, while a bjj guy is a competent in submissions.
He popped the guys knee 3 times. Taunting does not merit pops. Sounding like another insecure BJJ guy who has an inferiority complex with wrestlers
@@brandonreed3x he continued the sub coz opponent didn't tap. if he let go, its likely wrestler passes and starts to smash him. when you take a guy down hard, the bjj guy can't retaliate? heck, wrestler had a huge size advantage. watch some striking vids, anytime one guy increases intensity, the other guy almost always retaliates. and the wrestler is not a white belt, he's considered a blue belt in most comps. also if a bjj guy goes into a wrestling room and scraps hard with people, you think the other wrestlers are gonna let that slide? your ad hominem attack doesn't bother me. i know wrestlers are better athletes (in most cases). im just a hobbyist and most athletic guys (most are bigger than me) don't know how to control their intensity. i get beaten up regularly. you fail to look at the bjj guy's perspective because of your bias in wrestling.
Ok, yeah the wrestler guy might have done a couple dumb things. Like the taunting to stand up, and the neck framing from standing. But being mad about a spazy white belt? Comeon man that's par for the course. You're in control of the match. Stop it at any time and tell the guy what he's done wrong. I've had white belt wrestlers pull me over my ankles into back takes, crank the hell out of my neck, and even once slam me out of triangle. Now the slam did piss me off, but I didn't take it out on the guy. I just corrected them. If they don't like it then tough shit. We train for longevity in my gym. Open mat isn't an open invitation to destroy people.
To that brown belt. Do better. To the wrestler I'm sorry, we're not all like that.
Edit: honestly the neck framing didn't look like it had that much weight on it, but I wasn't on the receiving end of it so who knows.
I'm a bjj purple belt from Spain and I think that's some normal problem in nowadays bjj. Like belts with some experience use to have some obssesion with submiting white belts at least 2 or 3 times in a match.
But let's be realistic there's people who is much stronger than you and I sometimes have white belts and I can not submit them.
I think this is like chess. Chess grandmasters are grandmasters not because they win a lot but becuase they are really difficult to defeat. So maybe I'm having problems to submit a white or even a purple belt (I nevere have the goal of submiting people in my trainings too) but it's not posible to a white belt to submit me or take advantage of a position, his only option is survive.
taking a joint is not something you do when someone's just out of line
The onus is on the expert. He should have tapped for the guy instead of heel hooking a visiting white belt. Ridiculous. Only a matter of time before people realize that despite signing a waiver you can still sue for shit like this . Looks like neglect to me.
Wrestler probably turned it up because homeboy was recording too
Too much ego in BJJ Gyms. I’m a purple belt and I had to take a break recently because of it.
That's fair. I hope you find a good environment for yourself soon!
You can usually feel the ego people and with me I just go into pure defensive mode and wait for the timer. I don't entertain the going hard like it's a comp
Not a bad strategy
y is it a bjj vs wrestlers war going on its like the mma fighters vs body builders just do both both compliment each other very well
Well said!
Dude is absolutely in the wrong for that, wrestler was flowing at best.
so glad I don't train with ppl like that. guarantee he treats other people that way to "teach them a lesson" too. Vid didn't show the wrestler do anything wrong besides sparring with a higher % intensity than the brown belt initially, but the brown belt willingly matched the energy after the first 2 seconds so he can't complain, if he wanted the wrestler to go lighter he should have said "tap tap, wait can we go a little lighter" or something, or catch him in the submission to teach him a lesson but don't put it on if they don't understand it or know that they're in danger. like when you have a complete beginner in an armbar during their first session and they aren't tapping, let them know "hey watch out this could injure your arm you should tap" before you start making their elbow click. . Imagine being a brown belt and still being that immature and petty and easily angered.
Yea this clip makes me kinda sick man.
Like i have an idea, how about teach the kid how to properly roll and teach him why we roll the way we do. instead of that his big ego would rather risk tearing the kids muscle from his knee
If you didn't like rolling with the guy, just stop rolling with him.
The right answer
Well said brandon
We don’t allow anything lower than purple belt come to our open mats and in some cases four striped blue belt to come to open mat but that’s rare. Heck, we don’t even practice with them anymore. But we are a heavy competition gym so they are big on protecting the competitors.
I like this rule.
@@brandonreed3x Roberto Jimenez dad is the one who enforced the rules that’s our coach most of the people we train with are either in the UFC BJJ world, champions or NCAA champions from wrestling these rules help to keep us safe.
Yeah, that was uncalled for the dude was definitely a spaz but that's not an excuse to hurt him as an upper belt. You should know better
As a Muay Thai guy, this kind of scares me to doing BJJ
Should never heel hook a white belt. Guy in red has a big ego that got hurt.
lol to be fair people do show up to open mat going super Saiyan
So you can hurt anyone who goes hard with you? Nah bro - bad take. If they’re going too hard communicate with them. If it continues, be mature. Stop the round. Walk away.
@@brandonreed3x my takes comes from a pretty strict gym we have rules in place that prevents these actions but I have seen people get stretched out coming from other gyms trying to hurt one of our competitors
Mmm I don't think anybody should be injuring anybody. I will say this though, both those guys have issues and need some anger management. Brown Belt is angry due to the aggression, White Belt did not wanna tap, tho ima give the White Belt the benefit of the doubt on not knowing about the Heel Hook and how it can break ur leg without u feeling pain that lets you know to tap.
I think this is a lesson to everyone rolling with someone you don't know. Especially visitors or visiting other gym. Go easy coz you don't know the person. That wrestler knows he was in a leg submission and still tryna fight of of it. It his fault. Now he is crying that he is only a white belt. Yea right
You’re wrong in a lot of ways. Clearly do not train at any meaningful level with this perspective
@brandonreed3x so is okay to visit other gym and go hard on someone you don't know? I'm also wrong, if you get injured because you didn't tap, is someone else fault?
He forgot that a wrestler can smash his head just like to what happen to Walid Ismael on concrete after he try to provoke a Judoka and they fough outside. Ended up in Emergency Room for a few days.
That was a BJJer not a Judoka
Guy with a wrestling background is stronger and more explosive than the guys at the bjj gym, and is used to go harder. Big surprise, whoop-de-do.
So here are a couple of things he could have done instead of injuring the wrestler's knee.
Talk with his words. Tell the guy that "Here on the bjj mat we like to go a bit slower, to get more time to think, to work on our techniques. When you go this hard it just becomes a wrestling match and you won't learn any bjj. So turn it down a notch. At least until you're prepping for a competition."
Or he could have taken the opportunity to practice his bjj game against a spazzy whitebelt with strength, explosivity and bottomless gas tank. Wrestlers have great standup and scramble compared to someone who's only done bjj. That's an opportunity, not a problem. Or it should be. And rolling safely with somebody who doesn't know how to do that yet, is also a skill.
Or he could have put the guy to sleep. If you want to teach the lesson "you're not all that" to someone you think has a little too big head on his shoulders, then choking him a couple of times could have done the job. This knee thing... that's not going to make anybody want to come back for more.
That's my opinion. Cheers
What he is doing is Palhares style since he dont want to compete with someone who have good knowledge in the future
Didn’t like the wrestler was holding his own imo.
Too many or these “tough guys” get so upset over a club and a collar tie lol
What did he gain from doing that why would want to hurt a possible future client not cool at all
Hopefully, he has good insurance
"brown belt" that gets offeneded by top pressure and some framing smh. WEAK
Its more complex than you all realize. Ive been both sides of the equation so i understand both povs. At the end of the day, winning is not worth the hassle of a lawsuit. Let newb win even at the expense of your ego. No need to injure in training. The white belt will feel an ego rush let him have it
It's not complex. He ripped a heel hook, causing 3 pops, on the Knee of a White Belt who has trained BJJ less than a week. He's a young Brown Belt who competes often too.
More like Wrong jiu jitsu! That was unnecessary. Nobody should be heel hooking new white belts like that!
That's not even rough. Obviously wasn't there in the old days when only outliers came to bjj.
I hate this sport so much but I'm not good at anything else
Ya.. guys a goof. No respect
Completely disgusting move but there’s similar from bigger gyms. One of Nicky Rod’s teammates horribly enough did something similar recently, told a guy they’d promote him if he tapped the higher belt and the higher belt broke his ankle.
dang
@ Ethan was the guys name. Reading online it mightn’t be as bad as it first appeared, but he heel hooks this guy in his gym, fooling around roll, and the ankle seems to break because his team mate wouldn’t tap. Reading it may have been a pop but it sounded awful.
in his defense, most lower belts and new white belts don't respect leg locks. they refuse to tap to anyone.
Bad take. The brown belt has the responsibility to prevent injuries and speak to the white belt. Not understanding when to tap does not mean you have a right to injure someone
Don't be silly...the wrestler may not have even known he was in a heel hook
No man. You ever get a guy in heel hook and he doesn't tap then you just let go and tell him that he needs to tap when he feels that pressure. Chances are he's waiting to feel pain before tapping and doesn't know that pain in a heel hook means you've likely injured your knee. That wrestler guy is lucky, and that brown belt went too far.
Law suit would say doesnt matter
What’s the issue? IMO The guy has dramatised the whole thing, didn’t look like popped it and the kid tapped, I think the bjj guy was just being a bit of a diva 👩🎤 the wrestler was just training like 100% of my white belts train 😂😂
Some jiu jitsu guys get mad about the forearm in the neck from in the guard. Not excusing him though.
The forearm in the neck was lame. Not deserving of injury.
He could’ve told the wrestler to calm down.
literally
An experienced wrestler is not the same as a brand new white belt.
Yes they are. We don’t do leg locks. What a stupid comment
Joint locks aren't a part of wrestling. Literally all you have to do is say hey man slow down. I wrestle a whole lot slower now because that's just the safer thing to do for everyone involved. You can't learn to not be spazzy if no one tells you you're being spazzy.
Exactly
@@pikaprik6607hows bro gonna learn he was spazzing when he didnt get a warning and the guy just blows his knee apart