Guys, I appreciate the comments. There were SOOO MANY takedowns I didn't even think to talk about, especially because the video was already so long. So I'll probably do a part 2 to this. This was my first time trying a tier list. It won't be the last. Improvements will be made for the next video (specifically having a Tier List visual during the video), but what Tier list would you guys like to see next?
Definitely not a trick and is totally viable in bjj. A fireman carry doesn’t need to put you in danger of a crucifix if you do it without the arm and instead use there head you see these kind of fireman’s carry more in freestyle than in collegiate.
These types of videos are so much better with timestamps and/or a written list because viewers have to memorize each tier placement or watch the whole video again. Neither of which are what most people are willing to do.
I came to the Comments with my pitch fork and torch to defend the hip toss. Then I realized I have never been hip tossed ever. Problem is now everything I do now works in blue belt sub only absolutes as a 42 yo wrestler. My good tier was the headlock. Got me two conference and regional Championships but was never able to break into top 4 at state, this list made me realize my wrestling style was just a bunch of party tricks🤣
Tier lists are the best. Good for algorithm lol If you do similar tier list but based on body types (tall folks, short folks, big boys, etc), that’d be awesome too!
This is a great video. I love my underhook system takedowns that you missed. Failed throw by too knee tap and if their hips are far away snapdown to pancake.
This is fun. My list: God - Arm drag inside trip (Marcelo Garcia style🙂) Great - Scissors throw (even though it is banned, it is still effective) Good - Uchi mata or Harai goshi Party trick - Fireman's carry Trash - Tomoe nage (I love this throw, but I can't hit it in competition)
Tomoe nage really only works gi, maybe look into setting up yoko tomoe nage with uchi mata. If throwing right leg dominant you would show uchi, and when they circle away, dive underneath aiming to place the left foot (or even both) on the far hip and bring them over (I believe Maruyama does this combo but lefty lead). If they don't go and stay hunched, you can enter armbars and triangles and look to pendulum sweep. If they posture hard out of the tomoe, entangle with outside guards (k or de la riva) and/or come up on a leg or look to tripod sweep.
Out of the takedowns I commonly attempt, this is my list God: Single leg, snap downs Great: Duck under, double legs (blast and regular) Good: Ankle pick, knee pick, body locks, slide by Party trick: Foot sweeps, inside trips, low single Trash: Shoulder throws, arm throws, firemans carry throws Duck unders are definitely my favorite to hit, but I can usually only get them to work once in a match as afterwards my opponents become wise to it. Single legs and snap downs are safe and very effective, so are doubles just a bit more neck exposure and energy expenditure. I have a soft spot for ankle picks cause they were my best takedown during the wrestling days, but I find them far more difficult hitting them against bjj guys with more upright posture and no shoes. Everything else works for me occasionally, but I find myself failing at them far more than succeeding.
@@brandonreed3x Thanks for this great video, is there any chance you'll do a tier list for MMA grappling? It's a big scope but you are the perfect guy to talk about it. maybe you have to break it up into technique groups. For example BJJ guards are pretty obsolete now but it seems knee shield, octopus guard, some K guard and half guard still works. Shoulder pin/williams guard has been mentioned but I am not convinced. So many wrestling moves are now in MMA(rides,pins etc) , there are just some many things to think about, positions, passes etc.
Jacob Butler got the super ducks on lock Thanks for the vid Brandon!! Please do it again with a visual list up on the screen one day and an in depth takedown selection, we don’t care how long the video is homie💛
i feel like a lot of decent to good takedowns can be great if integrated into a proper system. for ex i really like throw by's, and depending on their reaction it sets up inside/outside trips, uchimatas, and situationally arm throws. individually most of these takedowns are generally pretty weak but i feel like they reach much higher success rates when chain wrestling. do you agree or am i talking out my ass lol
Imo s-tier takedown is the uchi-mata since it can be used as a setup for another takedown, counter against singlelegs, double underhooks and bodylocks and as a solid throw that can easily be setup with footsweeps and insidetrips. Partytrick takedown: any sacrifice throw
I'm from Illinois. We practiced with Vincent Robinson one time with the summer and he wrist snapped my teammate LMAO. He was going like 20% the whole time and dominating us when we were a top 10 team in IL. Levels man
@ it really helps once you focus on the wrist control. I see so many people try the uchi mata in no gi but only have the overhook and neglect strong pulling wrist control
You could do a list of takedown techniques from the chest to chest clinch and side to side clinch (judoesque positions). The side clinch has a lot of techniques and transitions. It also parallels some single leg defenses/offense.
God - single leg, arm drag, snap down, uchi mata Good - double leg, duck under, throw by, cow catcher, lateral drop, supplex, half hip throw, sumi gaeshi Party tricks - foot sweeps, tai otoshi, inside trip, osoto gari Trash - full hip throw, head and arm throw, arm throw, fire mans All the throws from the trash tier i feel like they can work but are risky and leave your back expose most of the time. Also i put uchi mata in god (because i have long legs) and the half hip throw the one that you spiral the guy with a pinch head lock ou underhook and tricep grip. I feel that this is a legit throw way better than the normal hip throw and when it fails you normaly get a front head lock or ankle pick
i know you said hip toss is trash but every time i have an under hook i get launched. I'm probably pressuring forward too much. Could you do a video giving tips on the body positioning battles to win in the overhook vs underhook? maybe from both sides even.
Only one I disagree with is the Inside Trip; I don't think it's that difficult to land and it's extremely high percentage. Hard to counter and very little downsides to attempting it other than alot of times it will land you in closed guard.
I’m lost. I can’t find the tier list only the timestamps. Good idea for video but needs better execution. I was really trying to find it too. At least on mobile it’s not showing up
Where would you put the snap down? I feel like it would be great, even god tier. I am not a wrestler nor have I ever wrestled. I've only ever did some "wrestling" through jiu jitsu.
I don’t think the hip toss is trash, jts just a move you can’t plan to hit … like if your chain wrestling and you happen to catch your opponent in the correct position moving the correct way just send it
Personal* God snap down Godblast double Great knee pick Great throw by Great whip over Good, overhook stuff, Footsweeps aren’t party tricks to me they’re relatively safe underhook hiptoss is pretty terrible, arm spins and throws are terrible
Well the thing about jiu jitsu is that there's the guillioutine obviously, the triangle after the takedown, kani basami from the single leg, and now the kimura trap vs head inside and outside singles and double legs.
Go behind to back take is the top of adcc wrestling victories too ( whether rnc finish or not).. defensive wrestling is insanely important I will say i rate things like single leg variations extremely high despite the numerous counters because it’s a low barrier to entry, available everywhere n does finish a truck load of dudes.. like reshot blast doubles are much harder to get going
Guys, I appreciate the comments. There were SOOO MANY takedowns I didn't even think to talk about, especially because the video was already so long. So I'll probably do a part 2 to this.
This was my first time trying a tier list. It won't be the last. Improvements will be made for the next video (specifically having a Tier List visual during the video), but what Tier list would you guys like to see next?
This is probably the best takedown tier list if not the best tier list on youtube because your criteria for ranking was super clear. Great job.
Thank you!
WHAT ABOUT THE FIREMAN'S CARRY? Where would you rank it lol
your putting yourself in a crucifix but it looks clean imma say c+
I’d give it party trick, especially in BJJ with the crucifix
Definitely not a trick and is totally viable in bjj. A fireman carry doesn’t need to put you in danger of a crucifix if you do it without the arm and instead use there head you see these kind of fireman’s carry more in freestyle than in collegiate.
These types of videos are so much better with timestamps and/or a written list because viewers have to memorize each tier placement or watch the whole video again. Neither of which are what most people are willing to do.
The full tier list is in the description and time stamps
@@brandonreed3x For some reason they didn't show for me before. Maybe I watched the video too early lol. Good stuff though as always.
I came to the Comments with my pitch fork and torch to defend the hip toss. Then I realized I have never been hip tossed ever. Problem is now everything I do now works in blue belt sub only absolutes as a 42 yo wrestler. My good tier was the headlock. Got me two conference and regional Championships but was never able to break into top 4 at state, this list made me realize my wrestling style was just a bunch of party tricks🤣
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You kind of covered it but the snap down is king, not only as a take down but a setup for other chain wrestling takedowns
Yea. In general go-behind is snap down
Thanks Brandon! Its been great to follow your progress so far
Thank you!
Tier lists are the best. Good for algorithm lol
If you do similar tier list but based on body types (tall folks, short folks, big boys, etc), that’d be awesome too!
Oooh I like this
As a short stocky little goblin man, I look forward to my heart being broken.
This is a great video.
I love my underhook system takedowns that you missed.
Failed throw by too knee tap and if their hips are far away snapdown to pancake.
Definitely will do a part 2 specifically on “systems”
This is fun. My list:
God - Arm drag inside trip (Marcelo Garcia style🙂)
Great - Scissors throw (even though it is banned, it is still effective)
Good - Uchi mata or Harai goshi
Party trick - Fireman's carry
Trash - Tomoe nage (I love this throw, but I can't hit it in competition)
great list!
Tomoe nage really only works gi, maybe look into setting up yoko tomoe nage with uchi mata.
If throwing right leg dominant you would show uchi, and when they circle away, dive underneath aiming to place the left foot (or even both) on the far hip and bring them over (I believe Maruyama does this combo but lefty lead).
If they don't go and stay hunched, you can enter armbars and triangles and look to pendulum sweep. If they posture hard out of the tomoe, entangle with outside guards (k or de la riva) and/or come up on a leg or look to tripod sweep.
Out of the takedowns I commonly attempt, this is my list
God: Single leg, snap downs
Great: Duck under, double legs (blast and regular)
Good: Ankle pick, knee pick, body locks, slide by
Party trick: Foot sweeps, inside trips, low single
Trash: Shoulder throws, arm throws, firemans carry throws
Duck unders are definitely my favorite to hit, but I can usually only get them to work once in a match as afterwards my opponents become wise to it. Single legs and snap downs are safe and very effective, so are doubles just a bit more neck exposure and energy expenditure. I have a soft spot for ankle picks cause they were my best takedown during the wrestling days, but I find them far more difficult hitting them against bjj guys with more upright posture and no shoes. Everything else works for me occasionally, but I find myself failing at them far more than succeeding.
Ankle picks are so hard to hit in bjj
Love this, we want to start building our game for standup, passing, bottom. There are just too many moves.
There’s so much!
@@brandonreed3x Thanks for this great video, is there any chance you'll do a tier list for MMA grappling? It's a big scope but you are the perfect guy to talk about it. maybe you have to break it up into technique groups. For example BJJ guards are pretty obsolete now but it seems knee shield, octopus guard, some K guard and half guard still works. Shoulder pin/williams guard has been mentioned but I am not convinced. So many wrestling moves are now in MMA(rides,pins etc) , there are just some many things to think about, positions, passes etc.
Fire video. Anyone who has ever wrestled consistently on various levels would agree with this
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Jacob Butler got the super ducks on lock
Thanks for the vid Brandon!!
Please do it again with a visual list up on the screen one day and an in depth takedown selection, we don’t care how long the video is homie💛
Forsure! I’ll do better next time!
Awesome video. What do you reccomend for mma specifically accounting for knees to the face and also having to set up takedowns with punches?
I’ll make a video for this. I don’t do MMA, so I’ll survey some friends who do
One of my fav grapplers much love bro
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i feel like a lot of decent to good takedowns can be great if integrated into a proper system. for ex i really like throw by's, and depending on their reaction it sets up inside/outside trips, uchimatas, and situationally arm throws. individually most of these takedowns are generally pretty weak but i feel like they reach much higher success rates when chain wrestling. do you agree or am i talking out my ass lol
Agree
Imo s-tier takedown is the uchi-mata since it can be used as a setup for another takedown, counter against singlelegs, double underhooks and bodylocks and as a solid throw that can easily be setup with footsweeps and insidetrips.
Partytrick takedown: any sacrifice throw
Yea, I forgot about it. Lots of takedowns to list
I'm from Illinois. We practiced with Vincent Robinson one time with the summer and he wrist snapped my teammate LMAO. He was going like 20% the whole time and dominating us when we were a top 10 team in IL. Levels man
He’s so good! I hope he gets on that podium this year. I’m such a big fan!
What would you rank the uchi mata?
I’m not very good at it personally. So I’d rank it pretty low. But it is clearly very effective. So maybe “Good Tier”
@ it really helps once you focus on the wrist control. I see so many people try the uchi mata in no gi but only have the overhook and neglect strong pulling wrist control
Can you put up a tier list for setups now? 😂
Haha that’s tough
what about arm throw, supplex and fireman carry
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You could do a list of takedown techniques from the chest to chest clinch and side to side clinch (judoesque positions). The side clinch has a lot of techniques and transitions. It also parallels some single leg defenses/offense.
Forsure
God - single leg, arm drag, snap down, uchi mata
Good - double leg, duck under, throw by, cow catcher, lateral drop, supplex, half hip throw, sumi gaeshi
Party tricks - foot sweeps, tai otoshi, inside trip, osoto gari
Trash - full hip throw, head and arm throw, arm throw, fire mans
All the throws from the trash tier i feel like they can work but are risky and leave your back expose most of the time. Also i put uchi mata in god (because i have long legs) and the half hip throw the one that you spiral the guy with a pinch head lock ou underhook and tricep grip. I feel that this is a legit throw way better than the normal hip throw and when it fails you normaly get a front head lock or ankle pick
Love it! I wish I was better at the Uchi Mata
i know you said hip toss is trash but every time i have an under hook i get launched. I'm probably pressuring forward too much.
Could you do a video giving tips on the body positioning battles to win in the overhook vs underhook? maybe from both sides even.
I have plenty on my page addressing this issue
Only one I disagree with is the Inside Trip; I don't think it's that difficult to land and it's extremely high percentage. Hard to counter and very little downsides to attempting it other than alot of times it will land you in closed guard.
Great discussion!
I’m lost. I can’t find the tier list only the timestamps. Good idea for video but needs better execution. I was really trying to find it too. At least on mobile it’s not showing up
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@ you should remake it with editing and it would be good👍
When you say blast double, do you mean the head to the stomach blast double?
Yes
What about arm throws? Are they trash like hip tosses? I see them used even at the highest levels
Great for wrestling
Ankle pick is true except for cael sanderson😂
None of us are Cael
Where would you put the snap down? I feel like it would be great, even god tier.
I am not a wrestler nor have I ever wrestled. I've only ever did some "wrestling" through jiu jitsu.
The go behind is the snap down. That’s god tier
I don’t think the hip toss is trash, jts just a move you can’t plan to hit … like if your chain wrestling and you happen to catch your opponent in the correct position moving the correct way just send it
Interesting
God tier Double leg
Great tier single leg
Good tier fireman's carry
party tier suplex
trash tier cement mixer
Love it
Brandon, you forgot the osoto gari! Where about the tiers does the arm throw / seoi-nage, fireman's throw, and lat drop rank?
I don’t know japanese
@@brandonreed3x The outside trip / knee reap. 😅
More video examples less talking and face time no offense
Don’t watch
You missed pull guard
Haha
Been hip tossing for years, but good list.
On who
Personal*
God snap down
Godblast double
Great knee pick
Great throw by
Great whip over
Good,
overhook stuff,
Footsweeps aren’t party tricks to me they’re relatively safe
underhook hiptoss is pretty terrible, arm spins and throws are terrible
Love it
Great video...thanks so much
Glad you liked it!
Great video. I wish you put up the tier list so we could follow the comparison
Great suggestion!
The full tier list is in the description
Go behinds are a sure bet. Risk free, efficient and puts you in prime position. Drill it every day.
Love it
Well the thing about jiu jitsu is that there's the guillioutine obviously, the triangle after the takedown, kani basami from the single leg, and now the kimura trap vs head inside and outside singles and double legs.
Much harder to do these things on skilled grapplers than you think
Snatch single is good for short people? 👀👀
Reza Yazdani
Go behind to back take is the top of adcc wrestling victories too ( whether rnc finish or not).. defensive wrestling is insanely important
I will say i rate things like single leg variations extremely high despite the numerous counters because it’s a low barrier to entry, available everywhere n does finish a truck load of dudes.. like reshot blast doubles are much harder to get going
great points!
I need to get better at single legs. I just suck at them. My go to is a double leg, uchi mats or a body lock throw
Your go-to’s are great! Single Leg is definitely an important tool.
Arm drag whereabouts would tou put that, lots of applications and pretty safe🤷
There were a few takedowns I forgot. I’d say Good tier for the “arm drag takedown” but god tier as a set up
I was bummed you didn't cover fireman's throw
Yea I missed a ton of takedowns: arm drags, FIREMANS carry, overhook attacks. Etc
I guess the fireman’s carry could be lumped into the high crotch . Not the same but they are close
Definitely ankle pick
Love the pick
Party trick almost trash tier is lat drop. God tier honestly is to be a good mat return.
I vote low single though is trash tier for jiu-jitsu
Low singles really do suck for bjj
Fireman’s Carry?
I’m so bad at it that I forgot it
@ now that you remember, where would you rank it?
No Osotto Gari?
I don’t even know what that is. I’m an American wrestler. Stop us in Japanese with me and expecting me to know it.
@@brandonreed3x Where you step outside and hook their leg with yours, throwing them backwards
No throws?
Out of interest, what category would you put the throws at the end 😉ua-cam.com/video/oMUqeQzj1o0/v-deo.html
That’s a headlock - so trash
TakeOdown?
Ooops! Thanks for the catch
I gatta wrestle more
Me too
God Tier
Lat Throw 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Ass Tier
Kani Basami 🤢
Haha Lat throw in god tier is wild!! But I love the creativity
Great Tier
Uchi Mata
Trash
Firemans carry
Uchi Mata is great!
Arm throw? I’ve only hit it on people that don’t wrestle 😂.
Haha that’s a crazy one
Where does the arm drag place in here?
Arm drag is a setup to a takedown, not a takedown itself.
I forgot arm drags. Sorry!
FIRST
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Arm drag great tier
Kolat outside sweep single good tier
Lat drop party trick
Fireman’s carry trash tier
No clue about god tier
Arm drag isn't a takedown, it's a setup to a takedown. Also fireman's is a great takedown, especially off of an overhook.
I forgot about arm drags!