Suhr Bridge Comparison Gotoh 510 vs Gotoh Floyd
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2011
- The two most popular bridge choices for Suhr guitars are the Gotoh 510 and Gotoh Double Locking Floyd. Both of these bridges stay in tune and sound great! They also have a different feel and range.
What we wanted to focus on in this video is the tone. Is there a tonal difference between the Gotoh 510 and Floyd? In times past the double locking floyd bridges have frequently been a compromise, trading off tone for increased tuning stability and tremolo range. Is that still the case with the Gotoh bridges that Suhr is using?
Hopefully this video will help you hear what, if any, tonal difference there is between these two bridges.
If you ever have questions regarding Suhr guitars, please feel free to contact me anytime at Haggerty's Musicworks. Just as for Don (605-348-4801), or visit our website at:
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Come on guys, everybody knows blue guitars will sound completely different than red guitars.
And everyone knows white guitars sound best.
But purple guitars sound beyond anything !
And Black Guitars got soul
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I'm a Floyd guy but the 510 sounds so much better imo.
love and hate Floyds there great if set up and left in same tuning. the pita is setting them up.
Really cool video. Thanks for taking the time out to make this!
great video. 510 is fuller sounding
Thank you for this. Very interesting and informative; it's details like this that often don't get looked at.
I absolutely love my Gotoh 510 on my Suhr. It's: Tuning Stability is Phenomenal. oNe LovE from NYC.
NOT A TEST WHITHOUT THE AGRESSIVE WHAMMY TESt!!!
bingo
You guys are incredibly professional. Good job and thank you for the comparison.
id like to see a comparison on what moving the bars feels like and if the 510 has any slack when you pull it
great comparison! could you tell which spacement (50 or 53 mm) the bridge pickup has on the 510-equipped guitar? Tks!
Hi, I hope someone answers. I am in need of help. I am looking to change the tremolo bridge on my guitar and I am looking to change it for a Gotoh 510 with steel block. My question is if this tremolo would fit my American Fender Stratocaster HSS series or if I would have to modify it to make it fit.
Thanks. Now I need both. When I played one, I found the 510 quite similar to the PRS trem system in its responsiveness. But, they ring different harmonics.
I hate that Suhr are non recessed, it's super annoying, I can't do any flutters...
sounds like the floyd is a bit more midrangy and bright...
I noticed this too.
very great review, thanks for the video!
Both the Floyd and the 510 use 53 mm (F-spaced) pickups? Tks!
I have a classic S with the floyd type and I´ve always noticed it had this dampening tone that does kill the sustain a bit, watching this demo I wish I ordered mine with the 510 which I have tried on a Suhr modern and does feel incredible.
HI, i don't know if you can help me with this but I bought a Suhr with the floyd type and I would like to change it for the 510 cuz I think it's brilliant and for some reason the cavity isn't large enough so it just goes down but can't go up... I already have another guitar with a floyd rose so I don't need this one to go up crazy but would be nice to have it go up just a bit so I'm looking for something smaller that will fit the cavity better but I don't know which model is compatible..
i dont understand these test on youtube, this is a PU test now or a bridge? i dont udnerstand somebody pls tell me how is going
Gotoh 510 is warm and the Floyd has more sweeter mids which didn't give the better lead really but had more crunch impact maybe due to the pickup height or just the sound of that wood used. The only way you can compare something is by the swapping of components on the same guitar - although the routing may not allow for this?
In choosing a trem its design does base itself on tuning stability and variety of uses. I got my 510 to dive a perfect 5th and hold tuning by angling the saddles (a secret)
Id be interested in a video comparing the feel and tuning stability of the 2 bridges. Does that exist?
7 years later and nope no vids on this lol
Well DUH. For heaving whammying the Floyd will be superior but for light and medium useage there isn't mich in it.
Well, if you have a floyd equipped guitar and you don't like the tone difference, try to remove clamping blocks from the locking nut. The before/after difference will be just like in the video. I've tried this trick with 3 different guitars with same result. Strange, but it works
plus on the Suhr Gotoh you can do Drop D with the fine tuners (if you have a tremol-no), you can't drop that much on any other Floyd i've used
To throw my .02 in... I agree it's pretty hard to hear a tonal difference in the video, which I think is very cool. I've played a lot of double locking trems that have just killed the tone of the guitar. The cool thing with Suhr, is if you want the Floyd, you aren't going to sacrifice the tone. What this video cannot show you is the tactile response of each bridge, the trems pitch range, and also the different feeling attack. Both are excellent bridges and guitars!
What Suhr is that pink guitar?
I have lost the torque adjustment screw for my GOTOH 510 tremelo. I don't know if it is the 510T or 510S but it is the tiny little screw that adjusts how much tension is on the tremelo arm. Can you please tell me where I can order a replacement?
Just use a 1.5 mm hex wrench. That should do the trick
@@at112396 Thank you.
No problem!
Pro Series S6. Thanks for watching!
I have both bridges - the 510 is astonishing in both tone and playability. With decent headphones, the Floyd sounds better in this video...not sure why.
One thing that drives me nuts with any floyd style guitar is that the bar gets loose within the arm socket it's in and rattles after you use it heavily a few times. With the gotoh floyd rose did you notice that happening?
absolutely not man!. The gotoh Floyd has a small allen wrench that tightens the the arm down with you can adjust it however you want it and it stays put. really really nice!! you hjave to try 1. they flutter sup nice! you have no idea
Thank you!!!!! I have to get my hands on one. I have wanted to for a long time and even the Original Floyd Rose has let me down in terms of the bar not staying where I put it. Any advice on where to pick one up? Or if it will fit a Peavey Wolfgang? haha
You can add plumbers tape to eliminate this
Nate Hudson Blaahahahahahahahahaha
There are a few dealers. Philadelphia Luthiers Supplies is where I got mine. The bar can definitely stay put when adjusted to do so and does flutter really nicely.
@bmwm3cs
I've heard so much rumors about certain products that prove to be just rumors in a blind A/B Test.
Titanium tremolo blocks, handwired pickups, all Koa guitars etc. Its all personal preference.
If you like a certain piece of gear, you feel better about it and that makes you believe you hear a difference.
Not mentioning the true temperament fretboard though ;) I really think that this is an old, but still heavily underrated concept to improve tone, sustain, and intonation. Test that!
The nut material will affect the tone, bone nut vs steel nut
That 510 sounds so much better than the Floyd that it isn't even funny.
Makes me sad because I love Floyds. Why can't someone from Floyd Rose make a new trem that doesn't sound cold and thin????? You know they could do it if they really wanted to............... Of course, that would mean new tooling.....
+daneguitar Tone is a very subjective thing. You might say cold and thin whilst someone else might say darker with a high that might cut through the mix better. However there is something you can do with all these tremolos which drastically effects their sonic properties and that is swapping out the sustain block and/or saddles for ones made out of brass, steel, graphite, titanium etc. Floyd upgrades as a website has built a great business just on this premise
+daneguitar You can't tell shit from a YT video. Floyd rose type trems are of the best sounding bridges b'cause of their mass and ability to reflect energy back into the string. Coincidently Gibson style tune-o-matic are the worst and have the shortest sustain in tests.
Sadly floyd roses can't be labelled in the literal sense "the best sounding bridges beacuse of their mass and ability to reflect energy back into the string".
A typical floyd doesn't actually have much mass which is why websites like floydupgrades exists and is so popular. The springs dissipate energy and the zinc sustain blocks are pretty crummy.
The richest sounding bridges to my ears are ones from kahler and PRS which come with brass parts (the former is far from perfect despite their quality of sound).
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My floyd is brass with a brass block which are slightly bolder in tone and slightly less bright than steel types. 90% of what the average guitar player believes constitutes tone is bull crap. Floyds sustain as well as prs types and kahler types and around 4 seconds longer than Tune-o-matic and some hardtails. The Quality of the bridge is what matters regardless of the type so my Gibson M-III has a Brass German made Schaller floyd and my Ibanez has an Original Edge and both sound as good as it gets. I used to have a westone with a piece of shit china copy floyd with a skinny base plate and crap saddles which sounded hopeless really even with X2n PU in it. Btw the Brass blocks I have used change the tone but not for the better per se...but give a different sound that I preferred.
+daneguitar Mate donate your ears to science as they are bionic.Talk about an audio placebo effect.The sound difference between the two is minimal.I bet you would find the same amount of difference between two different guitars of the same model with identical tremolos.The only difference to consider is the comfort of your palm against the unit and the actual feel of the unit in action.That's it!Any perceived audio difference is all in your mind.
I thought the floyd had more beef too, they sound very close though
Who knew the bridge could affect the tone so much. Gotoh floyd sounded much better to my ears.
sounds like floyd rose has more high frequencies and fender style bridge sounds a little warmer
wooow cool
Don rocks
Floyd has the slight edge for me sound-wise. Very helpful video!
He seems to have a lighter gauge of string on the red guitar, which probably accounts for the fact that the blue one sounds warmer and fuller. I really don't think there'd be much of a tone difference otherwise
The Gotoh Floyd with its brass block changes the tone quite a bit. I didn’t expect that when I bought mine and I’m actually not a fan of the brass block. Great trem though.
Floyd was the clear winner in my opinion.
My suhr with gotoh 510 feels pretty stiff and at the upper frets, its annoyingly bright. Metallic. And the arm feel is stiff and the pitch drop is very little and weird, well stiff and unresponsive. The arm is weirdly shorter and at a different higher angle than the gotoh floyd one. This makes the handling very uncomfortable in regular flush position, i had to adjust the spring and raise the trem a bit to make the arm closer to the body. Sure it has more bass than the floyd, like in this clip, but better is subjective. I think next I'll try to change the block to brass... And the tuning is all over the place to be honest. Im so hyped up to try suhr with a 510 but its rather disappointing. My hipshot is better (changed from a licensed 510 trem).
Wow, wasnt expecting such a difference. That floyd sounded much stronger
I know both of those Guitars sound better than this video indicates.
The clean tones from that Boogie sounded more like a Bandit.
I hear a huge difference...
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Pull the damn whammy bar
Gotoh 510 !!!
All my life i thought Gotoh was pronounced Go-Tawh.. LOL. Oh well, have to update my brain.
Well you are weird....
The Gotoh Floyd is not up to quality par on my RB Koa Suhr. The locking nut wears out incredibly fast, I finally put a hardened Floyd original on there to combat the issue. Love the guitar hate the Gotoh trem system. I would not recommend non-original Floyd Rose systems to anyone (the originals Floyds are great) and Suhr should not even offer the Gotoh as an option.
Suhr stopped using the original Floyd because of quality control issues.
@@bradovard8657 I can vouch for the issues - For me its is just the hardness of the metal itself. Very soft causing the blades (in particular) and other areas to fail quickly.
@@71guitarsmith Fair enough. I probably just don't use the term as often as I used to and haven't noticed any issues. I love the profile of the Gotoh Floyd but for me the biggest issue is the brass block. I just don't like the sound as much. My original Floyd on my Stratocaster is either a steel or zinc block and I much prefer the sound of it over the Gotoh.
timstamps for me gotoh 2:00 floyd 2:26
what's missing in the floyd's tone is FAR less than what the gotoh is lacking. the latter's cleans sound dull, hardly what i'd call "warm;" i'd be curious as to whether it has the gotoh block, or the stainless steel one. it lacks definition & sustain with dirt. my main complaint with the floyd is that it sounds a bit too clacky, & it's cleans lack a little body. but with the floyd, you can always roll back the tone pot; with the gotoh, you're stuck. the floyd also has more volume & sustain...
Floyd sounds like piss in a frying pan clean. Dirty they sound so similar I would never choose based on the sound. So in conclusion I would say the Floyd works for what it's intended crazy distorted whammy bar music, and the 510 sound beautiful for that classic sound. I would have chosen both them based on what I was going to use the guitar for anyways lol.
The nuts...
510 SOUNDS WAY MORE FULL AND NATURAL, THE FLOYD SOUNDS PRETTY PEAKY ...TOO MUCH ATTACK AND NOT BODY AND TAIL
I'm team Gotoh 510
The mesa boogie is not a great amp for spotting differences in tone between guitars.
In CLEAN TONES the 510 is WAY BETTER, the Floyd sounds Phasey, Hollow and nasty.thin. ....sounds like different pickups
I think the Floyd'd guitar sounds better in these vids...fuller sounding.
Agree... more bass and clarity.
lol used quality phones or studio monitors and the Floyd is thinner and more trebly!
Hahaha, cool guy
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1:05 G510 chord clean 1:26 F chord clean 1:46 G510 run clean 2:09 F run clean 3:13 G510 dirty run 3:38 F dirty run (click on the timestamps to go back and forth A-Bing)
For me the cleans are more telling. The 510 is warmer and fuller. The Floyd is thinner and brighter. Based on this If I wanted a Floyd licensed system I would buy an Ibanez Edge original they have a warm fat tone.
what you did is completely crazy ! lol a video to compare 2 tremolos : you did no dive bombing, nothing lol ! no sustain comparison nothing ! how can we decide if a 510 is better than a floyd rose? we can't : 30 seconds wasted
People want to see the whammy bar shit smh
Why would you purposely not tell us whether they hold tune well or not? I don't care what the tone is like if they aren't gonna be in tune in the first place. Come on guys, this channel has so much potential if you would just cover your bases. Common sense. Best of luck in the future.
Gotoh 510..I want six kilos
what the F*&k kind of tremolo test is this , am I the only one going fucking crazy these days , FUCKKKKKKKKK!
Floyd rose way better- I have a Jackson with a Floyd and a Suhr with a Gotoh. The Gotoh sucks as you cannot do as good pull up or dive bombs as the Floyd.
floyd looks cooler.
floyd wins big time