Pokemon and Moves With The WORST Synergy
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- The Pokemon series features countless different species and moves. Most of the time, a Pokemon's moveset will make a lot of sense, but not always. So today Matt and Elias are gonna take a look at moves that Pokemon can learn, even though they don't synergize well. Which Pokemon can deal one damage then immediately knock themselves out? What happens when Delibird tries to use Counter? How many cookies did Elias eat during this recording? Why is he paying Matt a dollar a month? All that and more today on MEPlaysGames.
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They should give Chansey and Blissey Explosion
*does negative damage*
Camerupt should use Explosion as well.
Camels have the same death strategy as whales in real life.
Give them final gambit
@@ILikeSponges4 😨
@@ILikeSponges4 actually terrifying
Me pulling up my Shedinja with Double Edge, Harden, Sandstorm, Final Gambit and a Life Orb to the function:
jail
No jail, straight to the death penalty, no trial
@@Deadlygamer2k19 And yet Phoenix Wright would still be able to successfully defend them.
Bred for max HP/DEF/SP.DEF, stats with max EVs in both defense stats.
Welcome just try to last one turn
"If a friendship lasts longer than 7 years, you are no longer friends. You are gay."
One of my all-time favorite quotes.
Actually, back when it was introduced in gen 5, volcarona was actually seen on some rain teams due to its access to hurricane among other moves like giga drain to keep itself going during rain, using bug STAB for major damage.
I've seen Moltres used in rain teams for similar reasons. Shrugs off grass type attacks, and has 100% accurate stab Hurricane
@@chosone2 If you are gonna do that though, Zapdos is strictly better, as 100% accurate Thunder and Hurricane makes sense (also let's Zapdos be a really good sweeper in rain)
I was gonna say the same thing. Volcarona makes a great surprise check for Grass Pokemon on a rain team. It also has an insane boosting move in Quiver Dance and isn't weak to Electric moves like many similar Pokemon that might be used for a Grass resist.
@@ryanpeters3812 Don't shoot the messenger, this strat saw genuine tournament play. In addition to Hurricane, there are some good options like Burn Up, Tailwind, Roar, Weather Ball and Roost. Now that I think about it, Burn Up and Roost is a funny combo because it basically makes Moltres typeless
@chosone2 Ah, see, burn up changes things. It was to bait out waters, not just counter them. Typically you would send a water to defeat Moltres, since it's boosted and type positive, but burn out losing that weakness...
10:00 Shoutout to that one Ludicolo in VGC that had Swift Swim and Sunny Day JUST TO deny the enemy rain lmao
To be fair, as a VGC player, these strats aren't crazy. Meta is "meta" for those who can't think out of the box.
That's super smart and super funny
Here’s a fun one. The Lake Trio can learn the move Expanding Force, a move that gets stronger when the user is in Psychic Terrain.
The problem is that the Terrains only affect grounded Pokemon and the only ability each member of the Lake Trio gets is Levitate, meaning that they can never get the bonus effects of Expanding Force.
Just deactivate their ability; easy lol.
Unless Gravity 🤣
@@djdrizzy9139Why go through all of that if you can just,use a grounded psychic type,like Alakazam.
@@ironredsword1618 Sarcasm
I am thoroughly convinced that Speed is based on combat speed, and not movement speed. This would be why purrugly, a cat which irl can slap a snake out of the air mid-strike, has such high speed, meanwhile Escavalier, a clunky, awkwardly shaped metal covered pokemon, has low speed despite being able to fly from place to place a high speeds. Being the fastest runner requires completely unrelated muscle groups compared to those the fastest puncher needs.
Shout out to machamp who can throw 1000 throws a second but still have a bad speed stat
@@Piggglesthis immediate flawless debunk of the theory is incredible
@@edsbegaming507 who said that speed stat being based on movement speed makes sense either?
It's REACTION speed. Machamp can throw all the punches it wants but I'm still getting the jump on it.
This doesn't explain why slaking is so fast and honestly even blastoise is pretty fast for a turtle with 2 cannons on its back
Cryogonal with attract but cant learn good water type moves: 😎
What does that have to do with attract?
@@Heppiesmile cryogonal is genderless :)
@@000dabomb i know but what do water type moves have to do with it
@@Heppiesmile im pretty sure they mention moves pokemon should have, and since cryogonal is a frozen water particle, it should have water moves other than water pulse
@@Heppiesmile The point is Cryogonal's move pool sucks. It can learn a move it literally cannot use, and doesn't have any type coverage for its most common weakness.
6:40 I mean, still platonic couple goals
So the ship isn’t ruined
@@greenking9124 the ship is sailing
Pimpnite taught me that Final Gambit on Shedinja actually has a niche but surprisingly good use specifically in SwSh: when Dynamaxing, FG turns into a very powerful physical Max Knuckle. Meaning if you play your cards right, you can get up to three attack boosts on Shedinja while also dealing damage.
Hmmmm, sounds fun, BRB gonna restart shield and try thus out
Body Press from Jigglypuff or Wailord is like a giant fluffy pillow trying to crush you to death
Let's Snuggle Forever~❤
You aren't ready for my Choice Specs Synchronoise Umbreon...
Better: Trick + Ring Target + Synchronoise
Wait, can Umbreon even learn Trick/Switcheroo?
EDIT: It can't.
Me pulling out the synchronoise Umbreon...
For Chansey and Blissey, I believe their physical moves were before the physical special split in gen 4, where the type determines if it is physical or special. So the punches from gen 1-3 were all technically special as were other moves they had.
But even in gen 2 and 3, they had access to fighting and normal type moves as well as shadow ball
Why does Cosmoem learn cosmic power if the only other thing it can do is teleport, switching it out?
It leaves room for moves later as Solgaleo/Lunala
Stall
Cosmog, its pre-evolution, learns like two moves
7:20
Ultra beast rights are Pokemon rights
Fun Fact: Top players actually used Volcarona on Gen 5 OU Rain Teams. Just regular Quiver Dance with Hurricane and a Rain Boosted HP Water for Heatran and Sand Abusers was actually pretty good.
What the heck were they smoking when they came up with Gyro Ball? Giving it to Electrode is one thing (after all, it is LITERALLY a ball), but why does the move described as SPINNING AT HIGH SPEEDS only work well with _slow_ Pokemon? It genuinely feels like Gyro Ball was supposed to be just like Electro Ball, but they goofed and reversed its effect or something. XD
But here's the thing, Gyro Ball is move from a type that r typically slow & bulky. Its fastest Steel user is currently Iron Treads, second to Mega Metagross. While its best speediest non-Steel users are between Minior & Scolipede who're able to compliment their Speed & Atk boosts through Shell Smash & Speed Boost + Swords Dance respectively. & it's applicable users only go down from there IF it was a variant of Electro Ball instead of being the total opposite. In comparison, the slow users are way plentiful than the speeder ones, examples of which include Ferrothorn, Steelix, Shuckle (for Power Trick gimmick), Guzzlord.
Sorry for the whole ass analytical paragraph if that's not what you wanted as a reply tho. 😅
@@lipika2841 Fair point
I know everyone one knows it at this point, and is more a victim of circumstance because it’s pre-evo is the one who learns it and it’s split-evos can use it effectively, but Umbreon being able to know Synchronoise. It’s actually just like Shedinja since Ninjask can get some use out of final gambit and the other Eeveelutions can at least use Synchronoise at all, unlike Shedinja and Umbreon.
Apparently in Gen3 OU Tyranitar would sometimes run Rain Dance, as counter-intuitive as this may sound it has it's uses. Remember that weather setup by abilities prior to gen 6 didn't run out, so if your team wasn't the biggest fan of sand but needed a Tyranitar (because it was kind of the king of Gen3 not unlike Snorlax in the previous gen, but not as generation-warping), clearing up your own Sandstorm can be useful. It's definitely niche, but there is some value in it.
Also Volcarona in particular gets Hurricane, which becomes perfectly accurate in the rain, it's actually seen legitimate use on Rain teams as a counter to Grass types that REALLY don't want to take hits from it, a perfectly accurate Hurricane after a Quiver Dance. That and it counters sun because you can turn your opponent's weather against them. So it getting Rain Dance in particular isn't exactly terrible, I mean it doesn't make it's CRIPPLING weakness to Stealth Rocks/the Rock Type any worse. Probably wouldn't run it itself and rather rely on a partner.
Already predicting Synchronoise Umbreon
Absolutely in the spirit of this video you’re right, but I decided not to include it for a couple reasons. For one, I didn’t want to do too many examples that have been featured in previous shorts, and the script was getting pretty long, so we’re saving that one for a part 2
@@MEPlaysGamesdidn’t you do a short about flapple with heavy slam before this?
Yeah, I figured that including a few from our shorts would be fine, because not everybody watches both of our video formats
Elias has diabetes now
Synchronoise Umbreon
7:49 My favorite pokémon 😍🥰🥰🥰
(I love happiny, I have it on my case on my phone)
I always had the theory that Vikabolt was supposed to be WAY faster, but devs forgot to heavily update his speed from charjabug state
Fun fact I used a counter Delibird to defeat a very difficult fight in pokemon rejuvenation... it did it's trick perfectly.
Volcarona knowing rain dance isn’t as bad once you realize that it also gets hurricane
Also walls Grass types with its typing and Bug Buzz
Shout outs to Togedemaru in base Sun and Moon, where the only Steel STAB it got was Gyro Ball. On a 96 base speed Pokémon. At least it got Iron Head later in USUM.
Also, lighter example since they moves would be good in doubles and even as set up for single battles, I’m sure, but Mud Sport and Water Sport mostly being moves learned by Ground and Water types, who already are immune to or resist Electric and Fire types.
Nice to see you acknowledged the overpowering Rain Dance Gallade
It’s gonna make waves one day just you wait
"Your tactics confuse and frighten me, sire."
I think it’s because of the anime Cocoon Pokémon in the anime are often depicted as being unable to attack or anything that’s probably what made Elias think that.
I think it’s more likely the fact that Kakuna and Metapod only learn Harden by level up, so that’s the only move they can have in the wild
@@MEPlaysGames yeah that too.
It doesn't help that you only have one of those Pokemon for only a few levels before they evolve, anyways, so you won't be using them for long if you do decide to raise one. Personally, I blame the Metapod harden meme war from episode 4 of the original series
Elias saying 'We have a pretty big lake for you to [drown me] in' with a mouth full of cookie is peak
Pretty sure some of Chansey & Blissey's physical moves such as the elemental punches are leftovers from gens 1-3 when physical or special was based on move type rather than each individual move. Same reason why Ampharos also has the punches.
Ampharos learns both physical and special moves like most Pokemon and Chansey could learn several moves from physical types in gen 2 and 3, including normal type stab moves
The key is to experiment and find what works best for you.
You know what until you showed that comment I just saw you as 2 best friends now I can totally see the Dynamic of a relationship between you 2 who knows what the future holds?
On a semi-related note, Metagross gets Light Metal as its hidden ability. On some mons, halving your weight has the fringe use case of lowering the damage you take from things like Low Kick. However, Metagross is so heavy that it still takes max damage from those moves after its weight is halved. Very poor synergy
Me when I give my Light Metal Metagross a Float Stone to reduce the damage from 120BP to 100BP:
@@Bruh_idk69lul watch it make a guaranteed K.O into a range
Are we sure they’re not dating?
Well Elias and I are pretty certain we’re not at least
@@MEPlaysGamesYou guys should go on a date
@@MEPlaysGames Atleast you sound like head over heels over Elias
Click it and ship it 😍
Actually being 1% sugar is extremely normal, it's probably the most normal percentage for sugar composition.
Here’s one for ya, and it’s another for Shedinja. Shedinja can learn Rest and Substitute, just like almost any other Pokémon. However, in order for Shedinja to use Rest, it needs to have less than 1 HP, and in order for it to use Substitute, it needs to have HP that it can sacrifice to set up the Substitute. Because of this, both moves will always fail, and unlike Final Gambit and Sandstorm, it’s completely impossible to make any use of these moves, whereas with Final Gambit, it can at least be used to break a Focus Sash or Sturdy, and Sandstorm could set up sand for the rest of your party and switch you out on the same turn.
Fun fact, most pokemon go players know that blissey gets wild charge because for some reason thats the move it got on its community day
Volcarona learns Hurricane tho
There is a Volcorona set that is, rarely but sometimes, used on Rain Teams. It's usually sloted in for a niche reason and the most common of those is for Fighting Coverage, of all things. The bug gets access to Hurricane. More than that, you can opt not to set the rain with it, if you're running a Fire Attack over Bug Buzz. You could run both, but you're usually giving up one, typically the Fire attack, for Quiver Dance options.
It has been even better in Gen 9 though, as with Water Tera and Tera Blast, it makes it's Fire typing moot. Again, though, this is still a niche pick, even with Tera. It's really only an option when Fighting is heavier in a meta and you lose the Resist after using Tera, unless you opt for a Flying variant. In that case, you can drop Tera Blast and a Fire Attack or Bug Buzz, but you're also back to having no direct damage boost from Rain with that set up as well.
Oh no, acrobatics can't be used on mega sets, a form you need a certain item, it's not like you're putting a mega on your team, you're putting a pokemon that CAN mega evolve, if you put acrobatics on a pokemon set you plan on mega evolving you're an idiot, or you know, don't use a mega stone.
That's like saying taunt is a bad move because you put on an assault vest.
It's not that they are saying that acrobatics itself is a bad move, just that it's not a good option for a Pokemon that can't get rid of it's held item, especially given as the move only has a base power of 55 if the user is holding an item. Again, it's not a bad move, just not a good choice for those Pokemon specifically
Electric type Pokemon with levitate: Im invisible
Mold Breaker Excadrill: Earthquake goes brrrrr
@@edgargaebolg9307 when Im and my friend play Pokemon sun and moon WiFi battle he said I have elektross and You can't do nothing to me so I destroy he team with dragon dance mold breaker haxorus
@@edgargaebolg9307 Magnet Rise go BURRRRR
Egg Bomb is abysmal, too, on Chansey and Blissey. Like it's one of their and Exeggcutor's signature moves but it's worthless because the move sucks and two of the three main users have no attack to speak of.
Back in gen 8, I realized heatmor can learn rain dance and made him the lead for my rain team. No one ever expected it and it was hilarious to see people reactions when playing on showdown
9:41 funny you say Talonflame as it is possibly one of the few fire types that could potentially somewhat effectively use the rain offensively with gale wings hurricanes. It was kind of a meme iirc.
Volcarona gets Hurricane, so Rain Dance isn’t completely useless to it
I mean Volcarona learns Hurricane which can’t miss in rain and also rain dance but still.
This is a heavily underrated channel. Keep the good work!
0:44 GYRO!? STEEL!!?? BALL?!!!!! 🏇🥎🇺🇸🌀 *IT'S ALL A REFERENCE!!!!!*
commenting for the algorithm gods
love you, matt and elias
A water type learning sunny day means you're screwed if there is a grass type that knows solar beam.
It will always baffle me how many moves in this series depend on the *difference* between opposing stats, like, why isn't gyro ball dependent on how slow your pokemon is in a vacuum, not in comparison?
“Pokemon with Rock Head can learn recoil moves”
Explain Aerodactyl
can i just say that slaking with hyper beam in gen 3 was so relaxing since normal was physical in gen 3. completely off topic but yea
Vikavolt is based on a railgun, which notirously takes a while to get to full power, which is why i think its base speed is so low. It doesnt attack very quickly but it can move quickly.
Fun fact: Blissey’s community day move in Pokémon Go is Wild Charge which has absolutely no synergy with it at all in the game
Per the thumbnail, Volcorona actually was used on some rain teams in Generation 5 competitive. It uses Hurricane and Hidden Power Water with Quiver Dance
Speaking of Sunny Day, Toxicroak can learn it. One of its abilities is Dry Skin. Which causes them to lose HP in Sun.
Watching this while myself eating a foot-long Subway cookie.
Worth noting that sometimes specifically Fire/Flying types with Hurricane have been used on rain teams. Most notably Moltres which has had success on rain in VGC, and in some unconventional singles formats such as MonoColor.
Volcarona is actually decent on Rain teams as a counter to Grass types
also Machamp can learn a few special moves and Alakazam can learn a few Physicla moves
Machamp learns Fire Blast while Alakazam learns Dig. Gotta use those spoons for something :P
Machamp also learns Flame thrower and Mudslap
Alakazam can learn all the elemental punches (which makes sense because they used to be Special attacks) and Iron Tail
Have Matt and Elias explored eachother's bodies?
no, thanks for asking
@MEPlaysGames will they consider explore each other in the future?
These couple of friends over 10 years are now my new OTP. Couple goals ✨️
Sandstorm Shedinja with safety goggles:
I think that chansey and blissey learning those physical moves made sense when they didnt have the special defense and special attack split
The elemental punches were all special and so was their special stat so they could do some damage
The Special stat splitting in two happened in Gen 2. It added special attack and special defense based on the Pokémon's previous special stat.
The physical/special split happened in Gen 4. Before it moves were fixed into physical or special depending on the type of the move. All Ice Fire and Electric type moves were special and so their elemental punches were also special.
Volcarona actually had some placement on rain teams in the permarain of BW OU because of Hurricane getting 100% accuracy in rain.
A lot of those water types that learn Sunny Day also learn fire type attacks.
yeah Gyarados can learn a lot of fire type moves for some reason. even though the only flying-type physical move it can learn is Bounce.
No guard Golurk is good but iron fist Golurk with gravity (1.67x accuracy boost) is a fun set. 85% accuracy (90 after wide lens) 120bp dynamic punch is pure fun, and pairs well with stomping tantrum. The last move I’ll usually use drain punch for heals or an elemental punch for coverage. It’s a fun set try it out sometime
If your Shedinja is holding Safety Goggles it won't be damaged by Sandstorm, or hail
Literally the only time any Water type would want Sunny Day would be Walking Wake with Protosynthesis and Hydro Steam
Absolutely The best strategy ever
Me pulling up with a magnet rise, air balloon rotom fan
Groudon, kyogre and rayqyaza controlling the weather
Corsola, Furret and golduck controlling the weather...
I remember hearing somewhere I while ago that Voltorb and Electrode deal the same damage with Gyro Ball
Wasn’t able to watch this early good video though!
Volcarona was actually a pretty good Pokemon for Rain teams back in Gen 5. Hurricane becomes 100% accurate in Rain, so it and Bug Buzz were its main attacking moves. And despite being nerfed by the rain, Fire Blast was still being run on it. A SE Fire Blast was still 180 base power in the Rain thanks to STAB, and it completely destroyed Ferrothorn.
Ferrothorn was a big problem for Rain Teams otherwise, since it resists Water and is neutral to Ice. Toxicroaks Fighting moves would hit it SE, but it still couldn't exactly switch into a Gyro Ball.
magnet rise would also cancel mold breaker type abilities but wasting a move slot on that unless the meta had a mold breaker pokemon would be foolish
Why are all of my favorite poketubers posting all in one day?
Tbh, Sunny Day on Water-Types work with the move Solar Beam.
You did give off couple vibes lmao, this is a good thing.
Also, how about sunny day on parasect with dry skin?
Umbreon can learn Synchronoise. That's the most anti-synergistic move I can think of.
Do you have any leftover cookies? Can I have one?
Hi Matt's evil twin mike
hey
Y'all are definitely a couple yalls synergy is insane 😂😂😂😂😂
I like to think of the speed stat as combat speed, not actual movement speed like running and flying etc.
Sunny Day powers up many grass types, so it's still dangerous for waters to use.
Sure, but Sunny Day helping fire types is more universal since it powers up their STABs. Grass types need specific tools like Chlorophyll, Solar Power, or Solar Beam/Blade to take advantage of the sun. If your opponent has a grass type and their team isn’t built around sun, chances are they don’t have those resources handy. Sunny Day is still a terrible move to use on a water type, but it could be worse
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Genderless Pokemon with Attract do absolutely nothing when using it, since there's no "opposite" of genderless.
How about protect Garbodor. First it can’t even protect itself from any hate. And two I’m still mad because different animals keep knocking my trash down
For real for real, first time watch and I also thought might be a couple
Technician Roserade after Hidden Power got Dexit’d
Volcarona can learn Hurricane and Fire moves hit it normal effective. Rain Dance is actually a viable option.
I actually have a shedija with final gambit because i thought it was based on the percentage of hp. Like i thought final gambit would do 100% hp to the opponent every time if shedija used it.
hack shedinja to give it 999hp with a cheating device and 999hp damage final gambit
Remember that volcarona can learn hurricane.
Could be surprisingly good in rain teams because of Hurricane. Not to mention its 4x resistance to grass
surprised there were no Pokémon with damp that learn explosion on this list
I trolled with Focus punch alakazam once😂
But then I used memento on gardevoir
And then cosmic power/stored power/charge beam with shadow tag gothitelle.
Umbreon learning Synchronoise
this guy has clearly never seen the absurdity that is hurricane volcarona on rain in gen 5 ou
Shedinja in a double battle wth Magearna would work well with Sandstorm, boosting Magearnas Sp.def by weather and raising Sp.Attack with its Ability.
My favorite set for trolling has to be Screens Sandy Shocks with Aurora Veil Ninetales. Yes, Sandy Shocks learns Light Screen and Reflect.