What is Pathological Lying? (Pseudologia Fantastica)
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2018
- This video describes pathological lying. When we talk about the term pathological lying, we're talking about a set of symptoms that appears to be distinct, although there's controversy about that. Currently, it is not a mental disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, but the construct has been studied for a number of years and has a few different names including: compulsive lying, mythomania, morbid lying, and pseudologia fantastica. I'm just going to refer to it as pathological lying. There are three main schools of thought in terms of where pathological lying fits in with mental health. First is that it's a distinct mental disorder and it should be classified as such. With this school of thought, pathological lying is just overlooked. The second school of thought is that it is distinct and it could qualify to be a mental disorder, but it does not impair functioning or it's not treatable. The last theory is that the symptoms may or may not be distinct, but they're really just behaviors that are part of other disorders, specifically Cluster B personality disorders (antisocial, narcissistic, borderline, and histrionic. Pathological lying is a construct for which there is no agreed-upon definition. What are some of the characteristics of pathological lying? We see repeated lying that takes place over the course of years and it becomes a regular habit. The primary motivation does not appear to related to social status, material gain, or be otherwise obvious. The reason for the lying seems to be without purpose. This set of symptoms appears to be chronic and impulsive. A lot of the lies seen with pathological lying are fantastical, but not beyond the realm of what's possible. Pathological lying behaviors can also co-occur with normal lying. Lying that's there to avoid consequences or to be altruistic. We also see that the lying and pathological lying may be a reward in itself. There may be an internal motive for telling the lies. People affected by pathological lying don't always recognize their own behavior. In a sense it can be self-deception as well as an attempt to deceive others. Sometimes it's described in the literature as a daydream or a fantasy that's communicated as true. Instead of an internal daydream or fantasy, individuals who demonstrate pathological lying behaviors communicate these day dreams and fantasies to other people. Eventually they could come to believe in the lies, at least in a sense or they could forget what the truth really is. There's a part of pathological lying that in some instances appears to border on delusional. Other possible motives for pathological lying behavior include to repair an unimpressive narrative. If pathological lying is a distinct mental disorder that simply had been overlooked, there are a number of theories about how these behaviors are different as they manifest in Cluster B personality disorders. For example, if we compare pathological lying to antisocial personality disorder, with antisocial personality disorder, oftentimes the motive would be for some sort of profit. There would be no guilt associated with the lie. With pathological lying, there usually is guilt associated with the lies. In essence, one of the reasons that someone could start to believe the lies would be to reduce feelings of guilt. When we compare pathological lying to narcissistic personality disorder, we see that with NPD there would be a purpose of being grandiose. A number of individuals with NPD believe they are already perfect and that's not really a behavior we see with pathological lying. Comparing pathological lying to borderline personality disorder, a lot of times of with borderline personality disorder the lies have a purpose of avoiding abandonment and sometimes individuals with this disorder falsely accuse other people to avoid rejection or to reject them. There is mood dysregulation tied in with some of the lying behavior in borderline personality that we wouldn't see with pathological lying. Histrionic personality disorder has an attention-seeking component that we don't think is a part of pathological lying.
I am a member of Pathological Liar's Anonymous. In fact, I'm the founder and president of that organization.
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This is interesting. As far as I know, I’ve only ever met one person who I would consider a “pathological liar”. He does not appear to have any cluster B disorder. He lies impulsively, almost like a compulsion. He does it all the time, and he does it for no obvious reason. The lies he tells aren’t always consistent with one another and usually seem to be inspired by whatever is happening in a conversation at the time. All his friends are aware of it. He’s a nice enough guy. Friendly, caring and not manipulative. His friends just sort of accept that whatever he is telling you may or may not be true.
His mother is apparently a severe alcoholic and he has some physical characteristics that might suggest a fetal alcohol spectrum disorder. We have wondered if his impulsive lying might have something to do with that. Perhaps impaired social skills combined with some poor impulse control. But, as far as I know, I’ve never met anyone else with a similar problem so it’s hard to say for sure.
He is lucky to have friends and someone like you in his life that cares enough to have such insight. I wish I had that
Lying IS a form of manipulation! When you lie to someone there's a motive behind it, sometimes it may be relatively benign like an exaggerated story or entirely fabricated story but there are various reasons for lying. In the end, liars make themselves miserable and anyone that has to deal with them.
I was with a pathological liar, dated him for a brief period. He couldn't keep up with his charade for long, he'd lied about the death of his childhood bestfriend in a tragic accident, when in reality, that friend of his is alive and well. Lied about being in life threatening situations etc. He was convincing af, back then, it was really hard for me to see through the smoke of it all.
When I came to know tho, confronted him long and hard, he tried to gaslight me, made it seem like I was a complete imbecile for calling him out on his lies.
I can't even imagine how much it has impacted how I trust others now,
so yeah, it completely sucked..
I always thought pathological lying was developed in childhood when children living in homes of domestic violence are constantly required to conjure up plausible but untrue reasons for things that could lead to any form of abuse if the truth was found out in any way.
I think I am a pathological lier. I never really realized just how much I lie for no reason. I always seem to lie while I’m talking to other people. I always make up shit to add to the conversation. I never really thought about it until about a week ago. Now I feel guilty every time I do it. I’m trying to stop but it’s hard. Let me know if anyone else does this😕⬇️
Laced Hayes I made up a story about me getting in a fight at work. But all I did was fall and hurt my head. Told my friend he told my boss and it was a shitshow till I told them the truth. Thankfully my manager is very caring and actually inquired about why I did it. All I could tell her was that I really had no reason, like I literally just did it just because. And after that I really thought about it and realized how much I do it just in conversation. Since then I’ve been trying really hard to catch myself and to stop myself. I don’t mean any harm from it I don’t wanna hurt or manipulate anyone, I would just lie to make stuff more interesting.
My NPD brother lies for very many reasons: to make himself look good, to make someone else look bad, for financial gain, as part of a delusional fantasy, but also for his own amusement and entertainment. When he's lying impulsively, for the purpose of self-entertainment, the lies don't usually make much sense, when analysed, and are, therefore, not believable. When he lies in order to scam, the lies are well constructed and believable because, obviously, it is more imperative for them to be believed, when there is a financial gain. He feels no guilt whatsoever. I have no contact with him whatsoever.
I’ve met two people that continually lied but I couldn’t see how these people gained, they were not bragging or impressing. One of the two people told me that their mothers name was Sylvia. but that was a lie ..... it made no different to me what his mothers name was. There were many more lies that were just pointless.
Doctor, I have known at least three people who are as you describe. Thanks for the great lecture, psychology is only my hobby, but if I could go back about 50 years, I would definitely pursue it full time. There are many fantastic machines in the world, but none like the human mind.
My Mother is a Pathological Liar. She thinks she always right but, 99% of the time she's wrong. The worst part is... she doesn't believe me when I tell her the truth. She will go and verify it from someone else and when they agree with me instead of her, she still has a hard time with it. It's hard to be around her.
My brother is a PL, started from a very early age. No one else in my family did this. Many people around him never call him out on it. He went so far as to tell someone he wrestled a lion in the gulf war! I always thought it was to due to low self esteem as many of his lies are self-aggrandising.
I wish there was more research on it as he’s gotten worse the older he gets, has kids and it effects the family more and more and he has become very manipulative also. He also surrounds himself with drama and uses his kids to buffer him from conflict or to get something out of people - maybe he is narcissistic also?
I think I’m a pathological liar. Usually the lies I tell have no means to an end and (seemingly) affect nothing. I don’t believe I’m a narcissist because I think very lowly of myself and it shows. Also, I’m very empathetic. The guilt this causes makes one wish they never existed, or would at least cease to exist. Like watching the clock waiting for school to let out one is just counting the minutes until the great release. I’m not suicidal in that I would NEVER act on this. I have too much love for those around me, and humanity in general. Just wish I could turn the clock back or something. Wow, that was a lot. How much do I owe you Doc?
Finally someone who explained it right
I know a lady who i beleive to be a pathological liar. Ive met delusional people due to their mental health and its quite different.
She thinks our priminister was partying with her and that she grew up with him when she was a little girl, shes 20 years older than he is… When i question her and throw facts that contradict what she is saying she becomes slightly defensive but mostly brushes off the questioning. She said to me “you dont beleive me do you?” Which to me shows shes very aware of whats happening, delusional people usually aren’t.
Im impressed by how she can remember her storys as to how many there are..
Its easier to go along with the storys and pretend they are real because questioning and confronting is such a brain work out, it gives me headaches..
Very interesting i struggle with conpulsive lying and have made some great progress.
I just realized I lied to myself and others and that facing truth hurt in the moment but paid off long-term. If you air the actual problem you can change it and solve it.
It is def related to my ADD.
Interesting. I have ADHD, inattentive type (formally known as ADD) but I don't deal with that.
Andreas Leon Landgren .. making up stories is included in your problem?
Does this include lying about life and death situations ? And build up a whole fake life?
I hope that there is more research on this. I have a couple friends who I love dearly but have figured out over the years that they are pathological liars, and it doesn't seem to me that they're trying to hurt anyone, they just seem to be doing it to get attention and look special.
I lie about things that I don't even need to and knowing that I do this, I still keep on doing it. It wrecked my relationship of 5 years because, she didn't trust me anymore. I want to get help for the sake of my future but I don't know how.
Very informative video as usual, Doc. I'd like to add a warning from personal experience. I had come to the conclusion an 'ex-girlfriend' was a pathological liar, and that all of her confabulations were simply an unhealthy reflex based in shame, ie healthy narcissism. The conclusion was false, and dangerous. I eventually discovered there was a VERY GOOD and VERY WELL HIDDEN reason she was lying... it wasn't narcissism it was anti-social (a) she's organized crime where secrecy is rule one (b) she was using me as an alibi that she had gone straight to her parole officer and the dangerous part.. (c) she was setting me up for a long-con by claiming false pregnancy to extract money for a false abortion. Took me years of investigation to learn all that...and much more I'll never talk about! Lesson is don't assume someone is lying for no reason until you've looked under every rock, into every crevice, and between every molecule using your atomic microscope. Those bloody psychopaths are ^$#@*# good at what they do.
I’m 17 and cured my self of this 4 years ago or so and my mom is in her 40s and lies constantly on a daily basis
I still lie probably everyone lies I would be lieing if I said I didn’t you feel good atleast knowing others are thinking well of you that’s the gain a person who is really emotional and cannot be alone
Hi Dr. Grande. Thank you very much for your videos and all of your wonderful information.
Yes I totally agree with a comment below....it needs to be a stand alone condition. Excellent explanation Dr Grande yet again, thanks
this video has been very interesting to hear and learn about the term Pseudologia Fantastica. This was a new term for me in regards to pathological lying. I had not known that there was a debate on if this concept should or should not be considered as a disorder, rather I considered it as a symptom of other disorders.
It takes a mental toll on those who are victims of a liar. So it effects people very well
The number of names used to describe this degree of lying emphasizes the lack of consensus associated with it. Although I understand how it does not seem to fit with the current criteria of the cluster B disorders, I believe that it best understood as another symptom rather than a disorder itself. I can imagine it manifesting from a mere impulse or motivation for attention. I do believe that most behaviors serve a purpose, though not always understood on either end of the communication pattern.
Dr. Grande - could you do a video about the people who are lied to and why, when presented with evidence, they continue to believe the liar? What is the mind thinking when it ignores what is obvious? I am thinking about politics as an example. Thank you.
Very interesting video. Thanks, Dr. Grande, for your continuing work in crafting your high-quality educational pieces. In my opinion, to lie "well" to others over a more-or-less extended period of time one has to actually lie to oneself. But this latter, self-directed, lying is a particularly pernicious thing, isn't it? While seemingly "helping" you to either bamboozle or defend against real other people, it actually ends up building a kind of fictional character within you, and that fictional "guy" is not your friend... My close acquaintance with a pathological narcissist has given me plenty of evidence that when that inner character does show his dark side, then the first person to be terrified of him is the narcissist himself. But his lying is not pathological; it is, just like anything else in his character: an instrument to support his shaky self-esteem. As for pathological lying, maybe it is a kind of misguided attempt to protect oneself from harsh realities of the world? Any kind of lying is misguided temporary comfort at best through, because that little fictional character inside catches up with the lair, and so new lies are invented to cover-up the older lies to silence those nasty clamoring characters within. Of course, one truth-vs-lie conundrum that neither psychology nor philosophy has ever been able to crack is "Does this dress make me look fat?" :)
Thanks for your comment. As you indicated, lying sometimes starts as protective, however, , works out poorly in the long run. It can become a vicious cycle that keeps adding strain. Once a multitude of lies has been established, it becomes more difficult for someone to extricate themselves from the deceitful narrative, so in a sense, they often choose to behave in a manner consistent with the falsehoods they created.
Hopefully more research can be done to find out if it’s necessary for classification.
Thank you for your channel, I just found it and watched a lot of interesting videos. The way you use scientific information is great to have in youtube. I was thinking if you could do a video about pathological lying vs. gaslighting? It's sometimes hard to know if there is an intention behind a lie, because they can seem so irrelevant even when there is really some intention (like gaslighting), and on the other hand, purposeless lies can feel like gaslighting, when there's no explanation or reason to them.
I will look into this topic. Thank you for the idea!
great channel... actually based on empirical evidence, unlike other non-qualified people on youtube...
Thank you so much!
Thank you VERY CLEAR!!!
Excellent channel
We hired a new employee that tell amazing stories and is very easy to catch him in those lies. But we just let him go without confronting him about them. It is getting to the point where we get tired of the lies. The one big lie is that he has blood Cancer and we are the only ones that know about it. He is 22yo and said his parents don't know about it? Really? He never goes to the doctor but claims he is on Cemo therapy. He is overweight and seems fine. He is on his parents healthcare so i really think they would know about it.
I think pathological lying should be a part of the DSM. I have a friend that is a compulsive liar I believe. She lies for absolutely no reason over big and little situations. She lies so much that she begins to believe her lies. Why is that?
Thank you when you say, "It should be a mental disorder"
Very informative.
You are the most down to earth therapist.
I have a neighbor that lies so much that I thought I’d go on the internet and do some searches for key phrases like “compulsive lying syndrome” and “psychological lying w/ schizophrenia features” and this is the first video about lying im watching.
You have a lot of fascinating info in description box. Is it possible, if the person is self deceiving for another person to get through to them underneath their lies or come between them and their lies? Can it be a self hypnosis or some coping mechanism that has gone haywire or grown out of control?
What would you call it when someone creates a fictionalized version of their childhood, and then earnestly believes it or mostly believes it?
Dr. - I just realized that by telling the truth it would deflate a narcissists grandiosity. Going to a therapist like yourself might deflate them in a manner they still have personal esteem in progress. Maybe that is why your work is important. This way we have fewer John Gacy’s or Charles Manson.
Good video! I was surprised that Pathological Lying can also be referred to as compulsive lying, mythomania, morbid lying, and pseudologia fantastica
A French video on UA-cam demonstrates the behavioral differences between children loved in their homes and those neglected or given up by their parents. they set up cubes before these children. those that came from a loving home immediately took to the blocks and those who were neglected were barely interested in the blocks and were keenly aware of their surroundings and those observing them. They described those children as "anorexic" (not to be confused with anorexia nervosa). I'm wondering if there is a correlation between NPD and being neglected at a very young age, i.e., no parents around so the child has a need to be noticed and seeks attention the only way they know how, by making up stories. Also, would these withdrawn children be hesitant to socialize thereby exhibiting a "stutter" from a very young age?
lying is escaping your own role in a mess which is created but when you do it repeatedly its chaos,its better to actually get rid of that person no matter how much feelings or emotions or respect you have for that person because its a never ending mess which another person have to clean up according to them and there are two types of lies one is to save someone else which is hardly done in today's times and the other is to always save themselves always save themselves and make the other person the villain
Not that this isn’t crystal clear, but I need to watch this many more times. People lie to me out of their own boredom. Can you tell us about how teams of liars work so well greased together? I’m thinking this would help anyone who does anything the first time without their parents. Even people who pretend to observe religious dogma to the absolute- lie like rugs about their true reasons. Also, Dr can you tell us why people who have been successfully lied to often feel such deep guilt after they find the truth? So many hugs in my gratitude (maybe I don’t know the difference in disappointment of others and guilt. Maybe, I’ve been forced to confuse them?)
Thank you for this Video !
Dr. A question, am I seeing more people lying on a regular basis because of so much false information and fear or has it always been as such? Thanks
I am still trying to find a video where they touch the argument of people who totally “make up stories” ...also stories that can put them under a very bad light.
People like this exist?
Can pathological layers tell stories that disgust the person they talk with ? (If the made up stories get believed)
I know someone who has Borderline who lies a lot and is manipulative and financially exploitive. I have known her since her birth and, contrary to the historical narrative she has created about her upbringing, she was well cared for. This is the first video I have found that describes a possible connection between pathological lying and BPD. It has taken a many sessions of therapy to detach from the BPD person and the impulse to rescue. It’s easier to do, now that I understand most of the purported crises were exaggerated or non-existent.
Pamela Royce No, don’t make that assumption. I was insanely well cared for and have BPD. That doesn’t eradicate the very real possibility that someone can be emotionally neglected, with their emotions not properly acknowledged or validated as a child. In my experience, that trauma is very likely the primary causal issue.
Emotional neglect isn’t very visible to others, unless you know what to look for and are actively looking. Most of the time it’s not even visible to the victim unless they’re in treatment, for instance, and have learned better awareness.
Your friend or family member is likely unaware if she is lying about her upbringing. They lie about realities they don’t want to face, in particular, which explains why others can’t figure out why they’d lie about such mundane topics. It’s not mundane to them, it’s painful on a deeper, subconscious level, which is evidence as to why it’s so impulsive.
So what you are saying is that pathalogical lying could appear separate from one of the personality disorders. I had a friend who admitted to this. She was dependant on me because I was generous with her especially a place to sleep or hang out in the city. I did not know she was lying. She revealed that to me after several years. I guess she was so good at it that I could not detect it and she had a good reason to keep the behavoir from affecting me negatively. My other friends didn't like her.
Then I met someone more recently and noticed inconsistencies except it was lies that appeared to have no protective purpose, or if they did, it was a small convenience to lie. "I wasnt home so I couldnt call" instead of saying "I forgot to call" or "opps... got busy"
What was weird about it was the consequence of lying didnt appear to phase this person. There was no guilt. He would defend his lies. It was as if he beleived the lies and forgot what was true... so many lies he could keep it straight what he told me.
How does a clinician treat this? How does any one help a person understand that lying isnt helping their relationships with people.
Just saying they are lying doesnt work... because they get busy with long complicated stories ... further developing a web of lies and then they need to cut out when they cant keep up the facade any more or keep the relationships superficial.
I'd love to see a video or an enactment of a session that elicits a desire to change this behavour... especially technique that would work in interpersonal relationships.
I find it sad these people are so broken inside that they feel a need to produce a web of lies to relate to the world. They cant see that being honest would mean that they might not get what they want all the time but in the end honesty really does produce the best interpersonal relationships.
Do they do this because of a sense of entitlement... like they deserve what they want so it doesnt matter if they lie?
Love your videos. So much disinformation out there... I like observing your balanced, protective but nonjudgmental approach that is typically not seen outside of therapeutic settings. We need more of that in the world. I strive to be like that with people... to be clear and honest in a way that feels like that they are still ok. We all have characters that have a range of traits and its great how you demonstrate, with the right approach and healthy boundries, all people are ok.
As a person who struggled with that impulse to lie I can verify that after doing some serious soul searching, it started when I was young and in 3rd grade and a couple of class mates made up a lie about me, told the teacher I called one of them the "n" word, one boy being white and the other black. I remember their names, besides that I was confronted in the hallway outside of class room by the teacher, was accused and had a stern finger pointed at me, i started crying in disbelief because I had absolutely no idea what she was talking about. I had to write an apology to the student and my parents for saying a word I had never said because of a LIE and the teacher favored those 2 "preppy" students. I was ostrisized by the whole class for about a month until short memories prevailed, accept mine. I guess a need to lie to feel accepted kind of fell right into place. Also struggled with parents who didnt pay much attention, parents were divorced, father remarried, step mother hated my mother and she always talked negatively about her, my mother did the same. I got pretty screwed up but I'm managing. Lie free for 7 months maybe...lol
Forgot to mention im 33 now.
I guess what I gathered from my own experiences is the truth betrayed me when it should have mattered.
@@johnwirk how did you stop lying? Thank you for your story
Dr.Grande,does a mind gaming belong to a pathological lying?That someone reapeatingly doing a bad things at your back while infront of the others she is showing to be so kind and caring for you..does it also entitled?
I like your videos !!
Dr. Grande, would you see this with avoidant personality disorder, as a way to deal with the feelings of inadequacy? For example, someone who tells interesting stories about themselves out of a desperate desire to be liked, or conversely, tells stories to push people away and reduce/eliminate the ability to be rejected.
Yes, I have seen this with Avoidant PD, often in an effort to become more exciting or interesting. With Narcissistic PD, the lies are more to project superiority.
So would one of these pts, Dr Grande, routinely lie to a therapist, and the therapist would eventually figure out they are lying, or would they be honest in trying to get help?
After watching this video over and over, I was going to comment how impossible it was that this is not a stand alone mental condition. Begging someone, crying, pleading over and over to please tell the truth and they don’t. It can’t be that they are of sound mind!!!!! However, I changed my mind ... whether it is or isn’t a stand-alone condition people treat them the same. Lay people throw out the word crazy when speaking of liars. And a diagnostic manual is not needed in every day life to know that you want to avoid a person and they are crazy.
Having someone in your life, like a parent who lies constantly is extremely challenging. It isn’t until now that I thought it might be a neuro disorder. But I wonder if the lying can cause the disorder? I search for the reasons in something that holds no logic. And it is still difficult to not feel hurt by the lies, even tho I know it has nothing to do with any one else but the person who lies.
Definitely sounds like one of my coworkers who seems to live in their own really.
How much lying (frequency) would be considered pathological lying? Or is it not about the frequency?
They would be lying at every possible moment
5:15 really is me.. with my relationships I'll for no reason, lie to them abt why i haven't been able to talk to them, when all i was doing was outside or when i tell them, or my friends what i did throughout my day, ill put in little details to make it sound a bit more interesting cause i think of them not knowing exactly what i did so i have free will to what i tell them n expect them to believe it i guess. i jus don't like how i am and i wouldn't say i make them terrible to the point i get lost and forget what I've lied abt but it definitely bothers me cause ik what i lied abt and sometimes with my relationships, and friendships, give mixed signals abt certain things that i have no real feelings for. im jus tired of making things up and wanna be real w my emotions.
How is the studies in this done ? is it mostly based on case studies ?
So the fundamental difference between pathological lying and personality disorders is "intent"? ( a reason vs. No reason ?). Thank you for the content Dr.Grande.
You're welcome!
You have given good food for thought. Should pathological lying be classified as a mental disorder?
it's mental if they don't know what it does to others
Hmm to be interesting. So people take notice, that's what my son said to me why he tells lies, but they turned into dangerous lies to later on. In order for him to achieve, somthing, without being bothered about the scandal he created. He is now 17 and still sticks to his story
If not,then,where does these things belong to?Thank you for the answer,Godbless.🙏
Good dr :)
Can they be cured?
I know of a pathological liar. This person lies constantly, occasionally it may be to cover something, or to manipulate, but it's usually just basic nonsense "stories" I think it's an attempt to make their life sound more interesting, or to sound impressive. The strange thing is that during even a brief conversation many lies will be told, about many subjects, often they can be lies about others as well. This person is rarely authentic about anything. The strangest things about it are, that this person is aware that people are aware of this lying problem, but it doesn't curb the behavior, in fact it seems to encourage the desire to somehow convince others of these falsehoods. Often these lies are so ridiculous, that no reasonable person would ever believe them. I would love to hear more about this because I want to try to understand why this is occurring, and what I should do when it's going on. I do suspect this person does have a P.D. but I am unsure of which one.
My ex shows signs of covert narcissism and ghosted me after lying about life and death scenarios to keep me stuck
Imma be honest o don't know if I'm a pathological liar but honestly i just lie a lot because im bored and it's entertaining
Why so many lies, and the way they lie is like is a normal thing specially to protect the bad person.
Helene Deutsch topic. 'on Pathological Lying' see ref p290 in Psychoanalytic Pioneers. and ref re 'The Impostor' p293
I'm a drug addict with low self-esteem and insecure to my self... That's why I have tattoo all over my body and use drugs
I just wanted to listen to foster the people
My husband has become a pathological liar. His family also helps him keep up his lies and double life. Instead of telling the truth he would rather live a life of lies.
I knew a couple brothers who both did this, one more fantastical than the other, the other more for practical reasons it seemed, they were talented and somewhat popular, I looked up to them at a young age, somewhat surprisingly to me know, I picked up on the trait for a very short time after my father passed, when I was 14. Realized what I was doing , and put a stop to it, I am a pisces, imagination already flows well, so my mental wheels were already greased for such a thing. It seems, I wonder what Dr. Grande's take is on astrology, seems like something not solid enough to be takin seriously by the psychology department.
Seems to me that some folks do this to manipulate others. Also for nothing but attention.
I don't feel Pathological Lying is a diagnosis within itself. I feel there must be underlying factors which cause this type of behavior. Perhaps they are not as obvious as other diagnosis, but none the less, I do not feel this is something in and of itself.
I am a pathological truth teller, but I have known a number of people who believe their own lies.
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During my researches I could not find someone who have had experiences with a person who totally invent stories from the bottom. Anyone of you know a person like that?
I once knew someone like that.
I actually just got back from a family reunion. I haven't seen my family in almost ten years. I discovered that my younger step-brother is a pathological liar who invents stories and lies about the smallest things that he doesn't have to lie about. The last time I seen him was when he was a teenager and I lived with him. He would make up lies even if I caught him in the act and there was no convincing him otherwise. He's almost 30 now. At the recent gathering, he and I would tell stories about our adventurous childhood. He started pulling out all these tales that were funny, but I had no memory of it. I have a good memory of things I went through and the stories he told were totally false and made up. All the people in his stories couldn't even remember being with him like he stated. I confronted him about it and he defended it. He would also exaggerate existing stories. I guess it's something that's developed during childhood and carried on through adulthood.
My dad is a compulsive liar he will read the paper and come up with story's about his neighbors everything he says I don't believe I've lost respect for him and my mum is a alcoholic and mentally abusive they caused me to become so depressed and I'm on antidepressants because of them both but now they expect me to care about them and make sure there ok now there older when they didn't care about me constant lies and mental abuse by both parents
My sister is a pathological lier. I have noticed that she can be put in a place of peaceful people and after a few days the cops will be called by her, she will intentionally try to ruine people's lives and more. Also, I have noticed that pathological liers don't understand the difference between truth or lies. They are literally both the same thing. Just to note, even a dream can be reality to them. My sister is on a scale of 100 out of a 100
I may be a pathological liar as I lie a lot. Not to my wife, in fact hardly ever. I lie to people I dislike, and I do not care if they believe me. When they talk to someone else, the lie becomes apparent as the story is different. I like to keep to myself and hang out with my dog. I think it is our society I dislike, but as it collapses, I find myself flourishing
Joker as an example
Some notes pathological liars personality disorder
If they are lying they got all kinds of diagnoses
My exwife lies and stills she jumps my fence and stills and moves things around. Example she jump my fence came in stole money I had hide pulse she moved my reading glasses I found my reading glasses where I had hide my money.
Are pathological liars created by bad parenting?
thought experimenting?
Would agreeing to lie about already having completed a degree you are studying in order so you can help a friend protect their small child from further harm with high probbility to happen again be understandable if you were not getting paid to do so? Seems to me that a midwife lying about having done what they were told to do by a tyrant ahead of time which if they had done so would have been a terrible thing to do and so that would be a reasonable thing to do.
My brother is a narcissistic pathological liar, he has been repeating same bullshit stories for the last 20 yrs. I can't stand hearing him for more than a minute.
My dad is this its iritating the scary part is those who dont know him and belive what he say he is an idiot he never gave me respect so i never give him respect
I am a pathalogical liar, and I hate that I am. 🙁 That is why I do not like to be around people.
I know a guy like this, he's a very nice person, but he can't hold back from recounting some absurd events that only he witnessed, it seems pretty ridiculous btw. You can recognize when he's losing it and he's starting telling bs because it's always about him in the past knowing some very famous people, or witnessing some crazy events... you can believe him maybe the first time, but with time you get used to that and it doesn't bother you anymore
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Short but Sweet Dr. Grande 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🌈. 7 pathological liars
Great, what to do when someone, who works in a firm that manages the buildind i live in. So that's hoe we met. I first thought he was gay (a safe man to show stress after toxic relationship, and its aftermath) cause the way he was super nice and still is despite everything. But then soon suspected and found out he is not,after observing his moves etc asked straight is he attracted to me, got an straight yes and we engaged something physical. I made my boundaries and wishes clear. (simply :respect, honesty, intimacy, friendship but no real romantic goal oriented relationship. Ugly to say, but since he has kids and also is somewhat religious, I'm not attracted enough to him purely for those reasons. which he understood, did not want same either) He sure took a risk when doing anything sexual purely during work hours, also. Naturally, my concern is that I live is such building and he also delegates supervises things. Informing to me is of course his duty too. Now it has come obvious he used me, lied and still lies so badly that i get enbarrassed for him. Avoiding me of course all together at the same time, but it alone would be bygones. but not when he knows i sudpected my ex stalks including feeling that there is something installed in my home. My electricity is off again from the bathroom and finally an electrician this liar ordered to help, did his job and opened the control box and informed that the wires are tampered. He couldn't even have enough time at first time. And now, even before, but especially the building manager "friend" won't inform me, actually i think he tricked also to get my new number by not answering. He is still lying and being nice, even and i have confronted him less nicely pointing out facts etc Never mind if you dont see your lies and taking advantage of me, but why the hell he does not do his job. Im in the dark, what really is wrong with electric wiring, and he shoukd automatically inform me, find out where the bills etc comes from, contact electric company without asking. But he does nothing but avoid. I am beginning to think he is a flying monkey, cause he knows he is lying, i know it. and more so he knows he is also not doing his job and has no ethics for his occupation either. And that is a real problem, like seriously.
I tell u these celebrities imposter love scammers target my gf and feed her bullshit they are pathological
Do all doctors have no hairline?
Is this a form of attention seeking
Any opinions on Donald Trump?
He's not a pathological liar because he lies with a purpose, like all politicians do. There is a trick to know when politicians lie. Their lips move.
I hate to inject politics. Just wondering if the current president might be suffering from this disorder.
Mico Castle all megalomaniacs can be diagnosed with pseudologia phantastica
Maybe not all, but mostly of fascist thinking.
Did you really just begin to realize that politicians lie with Trump? They lie with a purpose not for it's own sake.
US politicians are all Zionist puppets. This is the single biggest corrupting force and it is regardless of party line.
Israel is the only foreign nation that is allowed to lobby US politicians without registering as a foreign agent.
The Zionist lobby is also the only lobby that people are not allowed to criticize.
To know who really rules you, look to who you are not allowed to criticize.