Why You STILL Don't Sound Good: How to Improve Your TONE (Part Two)
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- 00:00 Intro
01:32 Get your priorities straight
03:59 Why your voice doesn’t need to feel the way you want
05:17 What vocal technique REALLY is
06:19 What does “sounding good” mean? Is it objective or subjective?
08:56 Sounding good for your voice
10:11 Record yourself & calibrate
12:25 Are you stuck with “your voice”?
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Agree. Singing technique is the tool to bring our voice to the AUDIENCE, not the goal of singing.
Ui so true
I'm my.own audience
I love it that you don't come out of the blue and talk about things that you don't know. The way you talk about singing shows that you've made research and also laboured to experiment and experience it on your own. Thanks bro
I think it’s good advice to find singers with similar voices who make music you actually like. I have an awful habit of picking female artists to mimic - and as a male it’s not the best at improving my tone. But it’s been awesome at finding really unique placements that actually work for me.
Same , I usually end up Mimicking a female artist🤦, can't find a male artist that can actually sing and have warm and full tone like, for example: Morissette amon.
@@MineCraft-nz9pg Here's the thing, the way she sings is aesthetically appealing because she's a girl, because she has a high voice already, what I think you want is a male pop singer who is good with ballads and high notes, if your tone is good as a male, you will also sound good singing a female song, of course, there are some changes you have to make, specially lowering the song's pitch to fit your voice, I dont sing Morissete songs usually, but I sing Beyoncé songs, some female kpop groups, and to sing them and sound good you need to carry that good male tone.
omg same
What I love so much about your vids is the fact that everything you say hits home. Everything you say is so relative and the way you go against the grain with regard to most things that we've heard from vocal coaches is so real and accurate in assistance. I've experienced that you're advice bears much fruit! Thanks bro!
YOU ARE SUCH A GENIUS!
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THESE!!
May You Be Blessed Many Times Over!!!
I totally concur! Thanks for this, Greg!
Excellent advice. Very insightful. Your videos are getting better and better! Thanks Greg.
Great video as always greg, thank you for this helpful tips 💖💖
This is some seriously fantastic advice. Great video Greg.
this is the number one idea i'm trying to explain to people. you are very smart.
Thanks a lot for your video. With your help my singing has improved a lot 🔥
Bro you videos are amazing, I was Stagnant, but now making progress quickly, thanks slot keep it up 👍🏽
This advice hits home for me. I fell into the trap of making sounds that felt good & started sounding good only to me, because I was excited about starting to be able to reach chesty high notes. I think the process from reaching a note to being able to sing it & sound good is much longer than the process from not reaching the note to being able to reach it 😅
wise words 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻 thx for sharing!!
thank you!
Man you are going to go viral soon
Yes Greg! 🙌 Love that you’ve gone into what things FEEL like vs what they actually SOUND like. This was a realisation I had a few years ago.
Separating how things feel vs how they actually sound in the room is important. That’s why recording yourself, even just on voice notes can be so helpful.
I fucking love this. Thank you.
I had to pause this video because I couldn't bear to wait for a second more to say this: love your Appa cap
@@StudioWestLessons Thanks you for the content you've been putting out tho, not just the Appa cap ;)
Jeez your channel is so good that I'm almost jealous that other people can also benefit from it ahahah
Hey Greg, could you do a vid detailling relatively precisely your vocal range (like from here to here I feel most of my resonnance there, here I start to connect with my falsetto mix, etc...). I think it would be really helpful for all of us to see what a well develloped voice look and sounds like (and how parts articulate between each other).
@@StudioWestLessons Oh ok I see
Best advice 👌
Oh damn G I didn’t expect it to hit hard lol
Good advice
I usually don't like getting lectured, But I needed it. Great content.
I was just getting it today, I can sing high notes in "mixed voice" pretty high, but when a song makes me sing in the lower part of the 5th octave a lot of times, I sound terrible, so I had to lower that song for good, like 4 semitones for me to sound good, it ended up sounding worse because I have a "high" voice, so I searched for someone singing that song on youtube who have a high voice and he should be singing lower, it worked a lot better.
Singing a high male song lower, made me sing heavy lower as well, while my voice is very breathy.
I have a request, sir. I humbly ask that you deep dive analyze the vocal technique of my man Hozier… specifically the ubiquitous “Take Me to Church”
He has crazy support… he belts in it, he uses mix, he brings in rasp, he uses falsetto… the smoothness of the runs on the first “amen”s and the power and accuracy of the attack on the final “amen’s” he’s amazing.
I think it would make a great video but I know you are a busy guy and aren’t making content specifically for me haha (even though with how much you’ve helped me it kind of feels that way)
Dude, I love your Videos. You should have 1m Followers. 🔥💯
a tutorial on how to sing the vowels correctly (for those who speak Spanish and want to sing English)
I am from Argentina, you are a remarkable vocal teacher: D
that run on eye of the tiger cracked me up.
You're speaking like you're my relative, it's my first time but, yeah...
Subscribed.
Keep your eye on the prize!!!
can you make a video on what is the best way to learn singing in neutral with stability and control?
are to talking to me? this speaks to my soul
Comparing myself with Withney Houston?
R.I.P to myself 😎😂😂😂😂😂
Just kidding. Nice videos!
That "Acceptable to you" concept is ridiculously interesting.
If you feel good you sound good and if you dont sound good yet then your not feeling as good yet as you will when your singing technique is optimal. Because if the singing technique is optimal you sound great and feel great, I believe.
I think that’s what’s good about country music. There’s a mix of blues, r&b, rock vocals for everyone to enjoy in it. I’m not a big fan of country but I gotta give credit where it’s due when it comes to the twang of it it sounds good for a reason.
Will u do a Q&A ?
Awesome Appa hat!
Hoping you have a video talking about whistle register
Oh!! Just because i saw your video about 3 years singing transformation and at the end of that video you did some whistle note. So i think that you've had a whole times and experiences about building and training it :D
When I remember back which artist fits the voice I'm looking for is Post Malone and Ryan Tedder
Imagine being able to record ur sensations and ur vocals at the same time.
I guess we need some sort of file format for this shit
I have to comment, I feel its my responsibility to help, lol
Nice video 👍🏻
numero uno
What if people around me tells me that my voice sound good, but I don't like it?
I think "tolerable" would be a better word lol. And opera is a balancing act of sounding good and it being tolerable and being able to maintain the sound long term.
Aheemm *subscribed* ahem jahahaha
You drive want to destroy your voice so that you can't sing anymore even if you don't mind pain! Definitely better to find safer ways to scream and add distortion if that's what you're after. I particularly loved your rant about why some vocal coaches don't sound good!
Yeah recording really helps. Like being on a kareoke app. I'd recommend Smule because it has better audio recording. Wesing is good for trying out different keys for a song but it has bad audio in my opinion even with a decent mic.
Hey Greg, I got a little question). Why is it difficult to pronounce words when singing higher? I know how to use so called "mixed voice" and I can vocalize up to C5 with a solid chesty sound, but the problem is that I kinda struggle to actually pronounce anything up there. It starts at E4-F4 and it feels like my throat opens up more and more the higher I go, and when I try to sing the next syllable, my throat sort of immediately closes and I crack. What could be wrong?
Why is he so handsome? 😅😅😅😅
I Love this Man 😍😍😍
Good vídeo 😚😎😎😎
Eyyyy early🎉🎉🎉
what are good recording programs you use for pc?
Tone. I’ve noted how often that comment has been made this season (2021) on The Voice.
I don’t know why we had to pause at 3:28 🤷🏼♀️
You're very informative and helpful. I'm sure lot of people would love if you upload a video that improves breathing. Pleaseee please please
Sometimes i sound good sometimes i sound bad i dont know how to sound consistently sometimes i do sometimes i dont
@@StudioWestLessons well yea the people i sing is usually chris brown, neyo I usually sing good untill the chorus comes its hard i may sound too flat dats really it
Man, for the life of me I cannot seem to find vocalists that sound like me, who are doing the kinds of things I want to do, that I can learn from more intuitively. The closest I've found is like... Axl Rose. That's the closest I've got, and the dude can sing wildly excellent stuff, but it's a tough bracket to learn from, and he's still placed a couple notes or so higher than I am. I find it kind of sets me up for damage, because I'm really capable and not easily deterred. I usually can still do what he's doing, it just takes a disproportionate amount of effort and represents a bit more risk because I'm that little bit further outside of my comfort zone than he is when doing the same stuff. So I just end up pushing the limits of what is healthy and sustainable for me all the time, which doesn't actually lead to better tone or singing ability. It often leads to a worn out voice and bad habits learned by compensating for fatigue. I'd love to find more music I can learn from intuitively, especially when I want to sing with moderate intensity, like when warming up, or singing in public spaces. I write my own stuff, and it's always placed better for my voice, but it also tends to be even more challenging than anything else I've heard and it kind of lacks the benefits of learning from someone more experienced.
Do you have any examples of actual bass vocalists who also use their upper register with real strength? I break at a C4 at best, provided I'm not belting over it, lower if I don't employ any party tricks to hoist my break.
@@StudioWestLessons You're probably right, I probably need to keep working the upper register stuff to get it stronger and the rest will come when the comfort does. You're right that vocalists usually get called high baritones or tenors when they get proficient with higher notes, but there's a definite difference in the sound between those and a bass vocalist singing the same pitches. I'm not totally sure why that is, but it's pretty distinctive. For myself, I notice when I run this stuff through spectrograms that there's almost no overlap between my upper and lower registers, and that sudden loss of low frequencies makes for a really jarring register flip. Axl Rose seems to get around it by introducing subharmonics into most of his upper register stuff, by a few different means. It's tricky though, for sure, and I've noticed that some of the techniques he used when he was younger don't seem to be viable for him anymore.
@@StudioWestLessons If you're curious, I do have a folder of spectrograms and audio clips I've been using to try and understand it better. No pressure, but it's here if you want it.
drive.google.com/drive/folders/1YbbqR1eXM5DO3uItBVir1c1Oqw5HFseE
Hey bro. Ty for sharing some technique hiw to improve in singing. One more, does fangs like vampire is real????.
How to sing with gravel ? Any videos for that? Yk that low gravelly tone on high notes
ua-cam.com/video/ELu_xjaEiTU/v-deo.html
Noble man with blackstain singing numb. Hear the chorus
@@StudioWestLessons thanks man. Love you
I’ve literally NEVER heard anyone have this opinion about singing, or at least outwardly express it in this way. I come from the world of metal and hardcore vocals, in which vocal techniques are largely new, and not fully understood, and still being explored and experimented with all the time. Most vocalists want to be able to make cool sounds and make them reliably and repeatedly over the course of tours and albums. But some people genuinely don’t care about how healthy the technique is, especially in-studio (where they only have to do a technique a couple times for a take) , and are willing to do unsustainable techniques for the sake of the best and most honest music possible. One of my fav examples is Oli Sykes of Bring Me The Horizon. His vocal technique early on was not refined or sustainable, and ended up damaging his voice later on, causing him to change his vocal style. But on the records where he’s using the vocal style, it fits *perfectly*, it captures the emotion perfectly, and contributed to some of the most iconic albums of the genre. I’m not sure if he regrets having “poor” technique, but I’m sure he had people at the time telling him it wasn’t sustainable, and I’m sure he chose to keep doing it anyway.
And on the flip side, i’ve seen plenty of youtube instructors teach how to do harsh vocals/scream in a way that they guarantee is “safe”, but the sounds they produce in the “correct” way kind of sound like shit. Like “here’s what X artist is doing for this vocal” and then it sounds nothing like them, beyond them simply having a different voice. It really gives you the feeling that it’s impossible to do it with good technique AND have it sound good, which is super discouraging. Not enough emphasis on experimenting with your voice and finding out what sounds good and feels acceptable (with the exception of deathcore: deathcore vocals are kind of all about screwing around and experimenting with making the weirdest, nastiest, most evil noises you possibly can. It’s a good time).
Also, assuming I understood your point correctly, you’re “applying pop vocals to rock is bad technique” example is maybe half-right in very specific instances. If you’re covering established rock songs that fit firmly within the “rock” genre, then yeah, sing it like a rock song. But the genres and vocal styles are descriptive, not prescriptive. It’s ridiculous to say that you can’t sing a rock song-especially your own original song-with whatever style and influences you think the song should have. Sleep Token is a rock project (you could describe it with genres all day, but fits rock best), and that guy sings with a mix of a pop and R&B vocal style, with some rock and metal elements peppered in to make it more interesting. And Periphery, another favorite, frequently mix poppy flourishes in with heavy rock and metal vocals. Idk what it’s like in pop and r&b and jazz world, but 95% of bands in the rock scene (or at least anything more alternative than like, Nickelback) are pulling in influences from all over the place. You’ll hear pop, rap, metal, hardcore, EDM, absolutely everything in modern rock releases. Doesn’t make any sense to confine it to singing everything like it’s a Creed song.
I have accomplished access to the whistle register, do you have advice for how i can improve?
No, sorry! Check out my friend Toni Linke's channel though.
-Gregory
So where can I get the appa cap?
i sound crap but love singing, where do i fit in 🤣
Ok dude, you’re like 12 and I’m 36 but I’m signing up for a lesson
please how to improve pitch? i think i already try all that i watched on youtube just improved a bit but i still sounding amateur
"Self-gratifying-vocal-masturbation" AGAIN!!!! Why did my coach never explain this to me!!!!
I lost it at “self gratifying singing masturbation”. 😂 3:21
I disagree about allowing our voices to hurt. I can tolerate a lot of pain (haha) but pain while singing is dangerous for our voices. Pain is a great natural warning to change what we’re doing so we don’t have vocal injuries ☺️ I’m enjoying bingeing through some of your content, btw!
Yea I agree with that. You don’t wanna damage your vocal cords, which I think he’s agree with. Maybe he was seeing hyperbolic and a bit cheeky? But he does also say later if your voice is hurting later and your horse and you are doing it wrong and your technique is bad.
It hurt for me to sing in head voice, and I had to force myself to be SUPER loud in my high chest voice, which was slightly painful, but now I can sing in head voice pain-free. It was never unbearable though.
Nothing wrong with singing with dangerous technique. Lots of punk singers do it and they sound awesome, but vocal care is secondary to them.
@@digitaltrip3311 believe it or not, there’s a way to sing that type of music in a healthy way.
@@JeanetteCMusic obviously. But it never sounds the exact same. Take “pushed distortion” for example, it’s dangerous. You can get close by adding more twang and closure, but it’ll never express the same kinda of roughness and distress as compared to the more pushed version.
Try and sing Nirvana songs with perfect technique, it won’t sound the exact same. Nor will it express the same level of distress and sadness or pain. You can do it if you value healthier technique, but in the end it depends on what you want. You shouldn’t just say “never use bad technique” as that is ultimately up the artists/musicians decision just like it’s your decision to use “safer” technique”
These are great points! I think the difference between strain and pain, and being tired after singing is a fickle one. Like I shouldn’t feel tired in my voice after hours of singing, why not that’s like saying you shouldn’t feel tired after running 10 miles, it’s relative to the ability of the athlete/singer isn’t it? So some tiredness and fatigue is acceptable but not a direct pain I’d say.
I can sing like Ariana grande yuh yuh 💅💅
I liked but im afraid i cant subscribe twice, i would if i could
define "good"
Glad you took my advice on these video’s.
Really good stuff my dude.
Well I guess pop rock music is out of the question then :P
@@StudioWestLessons I'm just being silly. You emphasized pop couldn't go with rock and vice versa. I knew what you meant, I am just teasing it :P
I can hit the she's gpne chorus when i'm 10 years old,,,,but now i cant do that,,,,can i hit that chorus again?and what to do
@@StudioWestLessons thank you...i will try
@@StudioWestLessons can you make video for this? For me and for others😊thank you
This! Aloooot of the youtube coaches don't have a artist quality TONE. They have good range and control, byt they haven't learned to get that sweet sounding tone, even when singing in talking range.. they focuse too much on singing High.. but not making me High by sounding good😂 i love chris liepe for instance, but his voice when singing doesn't sound super good. He has removed alot or the bad sounding artifacts that we new singers have, and have alot of tood technique, but he still does not sound like an artist when singing. My voice is just like his. I can sing on pitch, and people say i sound good, but not at all like an actuall artist..
What am I supposed to do since I like female singers!? 😕
@@StudioWestLessons hard to do, I honestly get frustrated because of it
@@xX_N_E_O_Xx I can name a very famous one for you it's Sam Smith. Almost all Sam's vocal inspirations are females. Sam's biggest influences being Adele and Amy Winehouse. Sam has also said stated to listening to Chaka Khan and Mary J. Bridge during childhood. Many male singers have been inspired by female vocalists you just gotta do the research Sam Smith is case of mostly female singers where as someone like Michael Jackson was inspired by Diana Ross and many other legendary male vocalists.
How old re you man ?
well this is kinda bs aswell because good sound and resonance develops over time, but before that you have to master the correct vocal technique, otherwise you just cant peak with your voice.
First off what is correct vocal technique in the first place?? What vocal system are we basing corect vocal technique on Bel Canto,SLS,Estill,CVT and the countless other systems. They all have differences for example classical like Bel Canto would immediately shun distortion or the use of breathy falsetto. And in women they shun women singing in chest in favor for head voice so chesty belts for women are off the table. Meanwhile a breathy falsetto is arguably the most used vocal effect in all contemporary genres. Almost all rock songs have some amount of distortion. Belting is common in contemporary genres
But that sounded good tho? 8:05
BUT I DON’T WANT TO RECORD MYSELFFFFF
Great video! This pop singing style you demonstrated is objectively bad and ugly regardless the genre imo. The reason it is in mainstream is a social phenomenon not related to vocal techniques.
Sorry, but saying that okay to hurt yourself to sing in order to sound good to an audience is okay is wack. Get good by not hurting yourself, and then sing in front of an audience. Your HEALTH is the first priority, not sounding good for other people. And if you can't sound good for others without pain then you aren't ready to be a professional singer yet.