This guy really has that voice most guys who struggle with high notes have. Me too. I just got up to F# finally. Tbh, thanks to this guy! His voice is just a PERFECT example for us “baritone curse” people lol
yep because I WAS one of those guys who was stuck at F4 for years DESPITE taking lessons and doing singing programs. I specialize in helping people with this kind of heavier, deeper voice and getting them to increase their vocal range. Check out my website to learn more PHILMOUfARREGE.COM
@@colincools684 Colin was 16 years old when he learned that different people have different voice types. ;) for example generally speaking tenors have ranges of C3 to C5, baritones A2 to A4, basses E2 to E4.... I'm a basso profondo, my lowest reliable note right now is A#1, my highest is C5 (nasal eeeeeee lol), my vocal break is at just G3, A3. also, even if you didn't 'learn' mixed voice, it doesn't mean you haven't simply intuitively been using it. it's not a different register or anything, it's essentially just an approach of adjusting placement, vowel modification, etc.
Exactly! I've been saying this over 10 years. You have to get used to really going strong, continually challenging yourself, like a bodybuilder. You have to work hard down below, to obtain freedom up top. Like they keep saying, singing is a very athletic activity of body AND mind.
Watched this video for the first time today and I some hours later I found my mix after 6 years GOATED vocal teacher!!!!!!!! You taught the real technique, I'm reallllly grateful!!!!!!!!;
I've been doing exercises INCLUDING mix exercises for YEARS and still have the same issues of breaks and bridging into headvoice. This was the FIRST time out of all the online coaches that have stated that having a weak CHEST voice may be the reason for a weak mix. I had a friend that is a musician once tell me that he felt my head voice was good but to maybe strengthen my chest voice, but I didn't think about it because why would I need to strengthen my chest voice? Especially when that's where I sing from most anyways right? But i'm starting to see that it probably was the case. Thank you for this. I'm going to work on this for a few weeks and update this and tell you the results. Thank you so much.
I was in the same boat as you for years. I'd go to teachers and they'd just tell me to "relax my voice" and "bridge into headvoice" but what eventually got me the vocal range and control I was looking for was learning how to STRENGTHEN the chest voice HIGHER in a stable larynx position. I stress stable larynx position because if the larynx gets out of control it can really create instability and cause the voice to become shaky as you go into your mix in the higher range.
i was coached to sing chest up to C5 , but then later to mix to make it easier. I think I remember going into the 5th octave range and being in head but then thinking about connecting the chest and actually started getting it on the descend, that feeling nothing is flipping and it is connected
This is the exactly what i've been struggling with and i have had false understanding of "mixed voice" you just solved it. You give REALLY PRACTICAL exercises that make sense with your explanation too. You deserve more recognition.
This is the first video that told me to yell my way into mixed voice. I almost discredited it right off the bat as that seemed totally opposite of what all the other videos have been telling me, but I gave it a shot and I can’t believe the rate of progress. I thought I was only capable of mixing very quietly, but now I am yelling up to a G4, where before I could only comfortably sing a D4. That’s after only a couple of trips to work and back of yelling in my truck.
Thanks Timothy I'm glad you kept your mind open to hear me out. The key thing is that there is a PROCESS and ORDER. This is one PART of it, and a part that many are not explaining. Everyone wants to jump to "relax everything" but if there is no strength developed first then there is nothing to "relax from" and the voice falls apart. The voice needs to be strengthened so that it wants to hold together and then once that is adequately developed only then can the voice be further refined to finer degrees where it actually starts sounding musical and less "yelly". For someone who was stuck at D4 such as yourself, I've never seen someone like that ever grow their vocal range with being super soft. Being stuck on D4 is a strength weakness and the voice needs to be developed loudly first for people like that. being able to sing high without going super loud or yelly comes later, it's a more ADVANCED skill and ISN'T developed first. If you want to learn more about the process I have a free singing masterclass video on my website.
So glad I found this video I’ve been having the exact same issue as the guy in the recording. I’ve always thought you had to work from the “thin” voice, but this new way of looking at it makes so much more sense in retrospect.
Glad it made sense to you. I have many step-by-step progressions to building the voice in my program that are very different to the things you've most likely seen from others.
The reason for the need of more compression and force would be also good to explain. The main reason is, that when singing in chest voice more mass is swinging from the vocal folds, e.g. like using a thicker string on the guitar. When you try to play the 14th fret on the low E string, it will need a lot more force to make it ring properly compared to playing the 4th fret on the D string.
Yeah last year I found this channel when I was getting vocal fatigue because of my bad technique, And then I learned about mix voice from this channel and some other channels, and now I can do mix up to 5th scales, without hurting my vocal cord. Thank you
I knew one day I’d finally find a video that can explain head voice to me. This was an excellent explanation with a very intuitive way to think about it. Thank you!
This is awesome. Just on my second day of searching some singing lessons, UA-cam logarithm has brought me in here. This guy sounds absolutely brilliant and genuine. Subscribed straightaway 🙂
Subscribed. I have zero head voice, and I've been hitting that upper wall for years. Worse, following other's advice I went backwards from max G4 to F4, thinking I had to get worse to get better. Very excited to try this instead.
This video is so helpful and confirms exactly what I've recently come to understand. You NEED to master chest voice. You can't skip it. I tried skipping to a high mix for the last two years and wasted so much damn time I've seen many of ur videos since I started learning but finally now I get it
Spot on. And in fact, when the chest voice is properly developed it IS the "high mix". High mix is just a well developed chest voice. Learn more at my website here: PHILMOUFARREGE.COM
I play guitar, adore music and have always wanted to sing. I’m a Basse-contres and an F2 is honestly comfortable for me and after puberty was struck reaching an A4 was painful. Over the past few years I’ve been strengthening my upper range and still trying to get mixed voice. 👍🏼 Man, I’d love to have a hypnotising voice like Chris Cornel or Steve Marriott.
Thanks for writing. Now the question is, are you willing to do what is necessary to get there? And if you cannot do it alone, are you willing to get the needed guidance and mentorship that can take you there?
you are a great teacher phil! i`ve been practicing a lot and i feel like im improving! thank you. Im kind tight of money now but in the future i sure would love to have an online singing check up with you!!
Going the opposite way and singing soft with more control helped me find that mix and transitions. Singing softly with ear plugs is a great way to increase your AWARENESS of where that resonance is coming from. Soft is way better for developing and regulating that compression needed to stay in mix as you move up and down your range.
Working softer and controlling it is definitely what I would consider an advanced skill. I've found that people definitely need to be able to do what I'm showing in this video first before they're able to benefit from coordinating the voice softer, otherwise they can't do it properly.
Hey Phil, great video. I can sing decently up to G#4 on vowels like aa, ah, oh etc, but when I start singing words at F#, G, and G#, it gets a really thin mixed voice and I strain or my voice starts cracking heaps. I have your singers vault, but it's hard to know what I'm practising is correct or if I did it wrong the whole time.
I'm actually facing the same problem you faced before. I can only sing comfortably until an f4, and when I go to g4, I strain a lot. And when I bridge higher, it just sounds so much like a head voice. It's very thin. I wanted to make it fuller and thicker, and maybe this is the reason why. Thanks for the tips, i'll try applying them and see if there are any improvements.
If you're trying to thicken up your higher range above the F4 then this video is only really covering the first step towards that (although it will help a lot). There is more to it than what is covered in this video, I have an entire step-by-step protocol for building this to move beyond the F4 without losing thickness or stability in the voice.
Hey Phil, had a quick question about breath support and cord compression. You said that as we go to sing a note, we should try to expand our waist area and basically resist the belly/waist/back from collapsing and letting go of the breath. I think this is what you meant. Does that mean as we go higher in our vocal range, we need to keep that resistance and expansion even more? To me, this would be against the natural flow of how our body works since sound in our voice/body is created with breath creating vibration as it goes through our vocal cords. Science gives us an equation: subglottal pressure(cord compression) X speed of the airflow= pitch. Expanding our body/belly/waist/back would cause the airflow to slow down since we know when we let out a breath, our waist area collapses. If we try to expand our body, wouldn’t that let the breath stop from going out? And that would result in having to create that much more subglottal pressure(even more squeeze from the vocal cord) just to make a pitch. As someone interested in the science of voice, this just rang a bell in my mind since I’ve seen many vocal coaches teach the expansion and putting more pressure on the belly/waist area rather than collapsing that area which makes more sense to me in terms of how science talks about human bodies.
Expanding the sides is a MUSCULAR movement, meaning it can be done WITHOUT the breath. I can make my sides expand WITHOUT any kind of sound or movement in the breath. What I am talking about is the MUSCULAR movement. This needs to be present WITH the sound so that the MUSCLES that are involved in stabilizing the larynx can work and then you get the "connection" of the breath and the body working together. The best way to learn this is by having someone who can do it guide you through making the proper sounds. You don't need to know any theory or science to make these sounds, it will only distract you from actually finding the proper position and getting the results.
5:21 Hi phil, but that yelling feeling slowly gone little by little when I go up (G4 still feels good, sometimes A4 too but at Bb4 the yelling and strong feeling is gone) also can you demonstrate that yelling that you did but in A4? I really wanna see how strong it is. It's good to be back Phil!
There are many more steps than what I’ve shown here, this is the first main priority before exploring the notes above. I’ll consider doing a video on how to maintain thickness and mass into the higher ranges - basically you need to learn how to keep the larynx on the lower side and also strongly keep the vocal cords compressed together. getting this right by the f4 area is super important first though.
@@philmoufarrege I think that not copying others voice and just using your own while going up will keep the larynx low, but still there's no strength at high note so that's gonna be really helpful if u film something bout this. Thanks man!
You can tell by the timbre of this guy’s voice that he’s got a nice tenor voice (probably a lyric tenor or something). This goes to show that having a higher voice type doesn’t automatically mean you can sing high, especially when untrained. It takes work. There are lots of guys out there that think they have the “baritone curse” simply because they can’t sing past E4 or F4. I was one of them. Then, once I got some training, I discovered I had a relatively light tenor voice and had a much higher range than I initially thought. Your voice type does not automatically dictate your range. I’ve heard basso profundos belt up in the tenor range. Anyone who puts in the the time and effort can extend their range quite high.
My highest note is a F5. I am doing 2 hours of training a day with focus on lip trills which greatly improved my voice. I am a Tenor and before learning mix I could go to a B4. I want to get into whistle register eventually but it's really hard to navigate that bridge. I am building a strong chest dominate mix and then going back and building my head/falsetto. And my coach said I was a Barri/Tenor lol. I am probably a Tenor/Soprano. It was always a dream of mind to be able to sing in the female range and now I am doing it! I was even on Apex yesterday and my friend said my voice kinda sounded like MJ and I was like no I did not change my voice range that freaking much. I am always tracking my pitch with an app as well. I don't know but but after 3 months of intense training I felt as if my passaggio has grown for some reason or maybe I am just more aware of it?
Hey I hope you’re having an awesome day, I’d like to ask what is your practice routine ? Congrats by the way damn F5 chest/mix is suuuper awesome. I can go there but it’s like heady thing
Im curious to your routine as well. You progressed immensely and u should be very proud. I’ve been practising two hours a day for all most to months now and my progression is not that good, so I’d love to hear what you’ve done yourself. 😊
What would you say the limit is for that type of mixed voice? Like can you take your chest voice/mixed voice, up to let's say, to an E5 or an F#5? Is that realistic for most males?
thank you so much for this video! my chest range is C2-C4(bass lol) and I have found my mix voice and have gotten to where i can get up to a C5, the problem has been it has had HORRIBLE TONE has been very weak, im hoping that working thru this video regularly will help me accomplish that.
awesome. if you can do the things I show in this video then the next step will be the following video ua-cam.com/video/JWjbdmHma8s/v-deo.html&lc=UgxiqSTfownSyZq6CJt4AaABAg don't worry about the horrible tone it will be there for a while.
The way I think of it now is in term of Tone, just like a guitarist tuning his eq and amplifier. A great example I found is Kid Laroi's song without you when he says "I cant believe that" this is the edgy brassy tone, its very memorable and catches the attention, its 100% breath support, this tone you want to try to get it first then bring it high so your tone is strong there. Also to that person I'd say no voice tone is bad, the weak voice has many uses too.
With how I teach I focus more on the FUNCTION first. So to use your guitar analogy, what I'm focusing on is the BUILD of the guitar. Making sure that guitar WORKS properly. The EQ and AMP is the stylistic COLOUR we put on top of that but if the underlying function of the guitar is wrong then we're merely colouring something that doesn't function properly to begin with. There is a difference between BUILDING the voice and then PERFORMING with the voice you've built.
Hey Phil, I'm glad have come across your channel. Actually I'm new to western music. I've been learning Hindustani vocal, which focuses mainly on chest voice. So it was the first time me, practicing falsetto/head voice (I sounded like a jerk lmao) and could sing upto A5. How's that note for a beginner? And what do the terms baritone, tenor etc mean?
Hey yo same scene here. i was learning hindustani classical for about 1 year it got so frustrated doing those alankaar and sargam because they strained my voice they just say sing from stomach but they don't tell you about the support. I have enrolled in phil course it's been a while and i have learnt so many things in a month than my entire 3 year singing journey. He is right UA-cam will never make you learn singing. It's a puzzle which has to be solved in a sequence and his course does that so seamlessly. PS. This is a genuine Indian writing this comment.
Great!!!!!!!! No more tenor bullshit teaching baritone to bridge into head voice when they do it waaaaayyyyy easier than baritone. And its way easier for a tenor to do a powerful high notes than a baritone. Finally a true baritone teaching a baritone! Back then I thought the concept was just to build the bridge into falsetto smoothly. And it frustrated me because I couldnt do those powerful high notes. Sorry for ranting but I approached it wrongly for years even tho I already got a strong support. And I finally understood what I did wrongly. I can imagine how much people r frustrated out there just like me.
A lot of higher and lighter voices still struggle with these things and the things I'm talking about here are still 100% relevant for those types of voices, but you're right - heavier voices definitely can have a trickier time learning this and building up the strength.
@@philmoufarrege so, its been 3 days since Ive watched this vid. Just wanna tell u that I reached C5 without head voice with no effort at all! Truly a magical tips! U r the real deal! Subbed!
Phil I followed your advice here but find my mixed voice leads me to Belting really f-ing loud. I like to practice late at night so I practice with a “small voice” Is it ok to back off the volume or will that put me back into a weak headvoice? Can I have a good mixed voice without it being super loud.
It is possible to sing smaller in the mixed voice without it going to falsetto and to do it with stability. But the way to build the strength to do that is done by first having to go loud, because it takes a lot of strength to do it smaller and that strength is first built loudly. Then you learn how to use that exact same mechanism but "contain" the sound. So it's not like you're singing "lighter" it's more that you're pressurizing that big sound and squashing it into a smaller box and "containing" it. I don't know what your experience is or whether you are ready for this without hearing you. I also don't know what YOU think "small" means too, it may mean TOO small. There is a certain amount of volume and pressure needed to keep the voice connected and stable and you must learn what that threshold is.
If it’s REALLY loud, you are probably yelling/straining which is going to give you nodes later on. Do not listen to him. You shouldn’t start out loud when first learning mix. Loud comes LATER. With control, usually due to breath compression and resonance control. So it’s actually the opposite; your mix voice gets more powerful the longer you work on it, due to your breath control & support (your diaphragm) physically strengthening from practice.
I've already been doing these exercises since 3 yrs... all you've told on your channel but nothing happened yet... but the mum mum exercise really loosen my chords and efforts to sing high... I am still in confusion what to believe or what to not. However, I still find indian classical vocal practises a better approach. How to get known of what i am doing is correct or wrong? Please suggest me !
What I show on this channel is a very small part of what I actually teach. There are many steps and progressions involved in building the voice and this video covers only ONE of the many steps that I teach for building a voice.
I am a baritone..i can hit G4 but only in a scales..my comfortable note in a song would be something around D4/D#4..can i really extend my chest voice? How long does it usually take to extend chest voice to at least to C5...
yes you can. I've helped many singers who couldn't get past C4 up to C5 and I'm currently working with a legit bass baritone who I helped him get from C4 to C5 in just a few months in a usable way. With the right training I can usually get you this kind of range within 6-12 months. Refining it to the point where you can sing over difficult songs with great ease usually takes another 12 months I would say. With the wrong training you can be spinning your wheels for 10 years and not get anywhere.
@@philmoufarrege nope and the reason is it's hard to find a vocal teacher here in where um at but Ik for a fact that my voice starting acting like this when I first discovered my head voice 2 months ago and since then I have been trying to use it but as I keept on doing that my voice became worse and worse 😭
Because vocal fry is pure chest voice, I have been spending a lot of time on that, and it made my voice very strong. Vocal fry is mostly TA, so that makes sense. Tenors need more of that than falsetto, as they already have small folds to begin with. Baritones probably benefit from falsetto more than tenors do. It hasn't really done anything for me.
From what I’ve experienced it’s actually heavier and deeper voiced people that tend to need the most chest voice work and tend to struggle with it the most, because it takes more muscle strength for those people to compress their vocal cords together and get their voices moving. Another reason is that heavier voiced people tend to have to under-use their voice in social settings otherwise they’ll be “too loud” so they get used to speaking and using essentially a fraction of what their voice is meant to be. This makes the voice weak and makes them very unfamiliar with just how to REALLY properly engage their voice fully
@@philmoufarrege This is a beautiful and insightful assessment and I wish more people were more aware of this. Having a low (bass) voice, there are so many social factors involved, you really get used to speaking with higher pitch than what is efficient and sustainable for you because everyone around you has a naturally higher voice and it's weird speaking lower than everyone else, but also because speaking at a comfortable pitch is LOUD. It's naturally loud, and it causes sympathetic vibrations in like... furniture and walls and all kinds of objects nearby, so it stands out to begin with and then things are rattling nearby which makes it feel even louder, and if you're a fairly shy or anxious person... it's overwhelming. Having a bass voice is overwhelming and sometimes people respond to it negatively, they get intimidated, which... isn't fun. So you get used to speaking higher and thinner to take the edge off of the experience, but... then there is constant vocal strain issues, there's bad habits that form, and when you go to sing and encounter issues no one believes you have a low voice because it sounds like you could sing higher (from being so accustomed to speaking in that upper mid-voice area) and when you do sing lower pitches it doesn't necessarily have the booming quality people associate with a bass voice because you're habitually weak in that area, strained from unhealthy speech habits, and untrained. It's a brutally invalidating experience, with a lot of frustration, and it does horrible things to your confidence as a vocalist. A good experienced vocal teacher can recognize this fairly quickly, but many are not used to working with bass voices and so they usually impose the range and tonal expectations of a baritone, which leads to confusion and fatigue from constantly trying to produce a sound that your voice cannot efficiently create. To teach the same techniques to a bass that you would teach to a baritone and have them build the muscles in the same way, you have to change your expectations not only for pitch range, but also for tonality throughout the full pitch range. I find people often treat bass voices as if they are a baritone that can just sing lower, instead of recognizing the social and physiological factors unique to such a low voice and understanding how that changes the natural resonances and harmonics present as the vocalist ascends in pitch. People are not used to hearing lower pitches in that gradually thinned out mid-voice coordination that allows someone to sing higher and louder without breaking. If they do it correctly, a bass singing very thin and relatively high will start to sound almost similar to the lower part of a tenor's range. But if you compare them side by side at the same pitch, the difference is obvious because the tenor has a much wider and more relaxed sound with more natural variation at that pitch. Tenors don't need to approach those pitches nearly so thin because they aren't at risk of breaking yet, and the harmonic profile they have is very different because the acoustics are so different. In their upper registers, bass voices still have so much harmonic complexity that they can almost sound like a tenor's thinned out mid-voice, but... no one really trains bass vocalists to make use of that because we have tenors, and even the strongest bass upper register is still never going to be as full as the same pitch produced using a modal coordination.
what is your opinion on straw phonation?? can it give me the mix that is used by a lot of singers like Bruno mars or no ?? and how much it costs to take a face-to-face lesson with you ??
I'm not a fan of the straw stuff. Essentially the straw and water are creating so much pressure FOR YOU that when you start to sing without it, the strength difference is so great that it doesn't usually carry over very well. it's like wanting to benchpress 315lbs by practicing with an empty barbell over and over again. It's also not teaching you how to control the vowels which is the absolute key to high range singing. I've never found it beneficial or necessary for either myself or singers I've worked with over the years. I prefer to teach singers directly what they need without any use of straws or lip trills.
It's kinda the opposite for me lol. I was trained in two school choirs growing up and have been singing for 27 years.. My chest voice does belt and project because it's how I was taught to sing. Problem is I'd try to do the same thing with head voice but hit a brick wall. I learned that I don't have to belt every song that I sing, that I can just sing in an even register. I do this by singing into my studio mic whilst wearing headphones. Since I've started doing that - I transition into head voice more smoothly and can sing much higher. I will say that, as I sing higher, with power, I do find my jaw opening more but maybe that's my training kicking in I dunno lol.
Being able to sing in a more even and less loud coordination is because of all the years you spent singing big. It's the next progression to learn, which you've instinctively discovered. This is really a big part of what I'm getting at in this video, that there is a progression to develop the voice. A lot of people are trying to get to that "even" coordination without any kind of strength to begin with, not realizing that that "even coordination" actually takes a lot of strength first that then needs to be coordinated and refined.
Before worrying about that you first need to make sure you can sing the song with good control and consistency first. Once you have reached that point then you can experiment with how soft or loud you want to sing. "head dominant mix" is just "less loud", however the song dictates how much you can get away with. If you back off your chest voice too much you lose the "anchor" or "stability" on the notes. So priority one is learn to sing with good stability, control and consistency before worrying about those things.
I've been using some of your's and Marnell"s older videos for just a few days but WOW what improvements!!! I like your octave arpeggios 135888531 and Marnell's How to sing clearly and his How to sing High notes in chest. Years ago I suffered from a high larynx and couldn't sing an AW in the A3-C4 range. Got my Larynx under control, now these exercises greatly assist in lightening the voice (the larynx lowering work was a lot of neutral and back vowels which over-weighted my voice) upper range now getting easier. Dude - you look great, glad No COVID Fat!!! - Glad you're back, and looking forward to more videos. Joey
I would need to hear you do it to offer corrections. Sign up for my email list on my website and send over an email with a recording and I can see what’s going on. Remember these videos are tips, I’m summarizing a lot of information quickly that in THE PRO SINGER’S VAULT I break down into even more steps and greater detail
Definitely raised on all the vowels, but it raises as a BYPRODUCT of getting the breath pressure and then the vocal cord compression on top of it - so soft palate is not something I recommend MANUALLY trying to control.
@@philmoufarrege oh I see. For the past few months I thought it needed to be lower so you have more nasal resonance based on other vocal coaches on yt. Like Chris liepe or christopher d Mitchel. Maybe I misunderstood them
@@wowawewah I definitely don’t recommend trying to lower the soft palate and singing nasal, it won’t build you to anything. If you want to do it for an artistic thing in a song that’s fine but recognize there’s a difference between doing sounds to BUILD your voice vs just doing things for an artistic performance. Getting that ringing clear bright resonance comes automatically from the strong compression of the vocal cords combined with the proper breath support. Trying to sing nasal weakens the voice, your high notes will become thinner and unstable.
that's not enough information for me to give you an answer. Just hitting a note doesn't mean it's supported or out of range. If you need help or guidance with your voice I offer lessons online and a singing program. learn more at my website philmoufarrege.com
Add to this the fact that most people try to sing outside of their vocal range (lower or higher) without any training or technique and it just turns out bad. I know from personal experience!
Yes head voice (falsetto) needs to be developed and coordinated with the chest voice and I have many exercises for doing this in my program THE PRO SINGER'S VAULT. However this I would say constitutes about 30% of how to get there. Most of what will get you there is the chest voice, and if the chest voice is not developed right then no amount of headvoice training will do anything. I would say 9/10 people have issues mostly with the chest voice holding them back and are spending way too much time training their head voice.
Well explained phil...so informative...I am too struggling for my voice beyond G#...it gets thinner and had to use headvoice which changes the texture and pitching...how to improve
I'm living in an apartment, I know I can sing on the fifth octave whenever I can make my chest loud like this, but I too scare to shout ~~, im so desperate to sing high right now
Hmmm... This appears to be working right quickly, giving much more volume to the rest of my voice. I tend to speak from somewhere "inside" my throat, which makes my throat hurt whenever I talk. But speaking with this more "pressurized" abdominal style seems to be doing the trick big time. As others have expressed, this really does appear to be the missing tool in my vocal repertoire!
Hey, can you please answer? When i do "carry" my chest voice higher, i go into this nasally tinny quality. My chest voice stops at D4, but when i "carry" my chest voice higher into a "mix," I can do a C5. Doesnt sound good, but i can. However, its super inconsistent, and sometimes my chest voice kind of "breaks" into the "carry chest mix" and then the "carry chest mix" breaks into falsetto/head voice, just like chest voice breaks to head voice, albeit less dramatically. I have to be in a very loud volume and it cracks a LOT. I also need to be in a "tight" sort of feeling in my throat. Not tense, but tight. Kind of like im constricting air. Im so confused and frustrated. Isnt this "mix" supposed to help me smooth my vocal break? Instead this "mix" voice gets another break. It sounds like chest though, and it feels like its in the nose, or face. Ive been miserable these past few days because despite everything i cant leave this plateau.
Hey phil, i've been struggling getting over c#4 (i start getting some tension and strain around b3 ). I haven't reached the f4 break yet so a lot of your video seem too advanced for me, what do you recommend i do? I've tried shouting but i can't do it
I think that I squeeze my false vocal folds when I do this exercise. Am I doing it wrong? I am able to do the exercise quite high without raising my larynx, and the sound is clear and loud (not distorted). But it feels a bit like lifting something heavy / holding the breath.
it's pretty normal to squeeze the false folds initially. Then we refine all that stuff a bit later once you have the coordination down and begin to loosen and relax everything gradually without losing the underlying coordination.
I'm still not sure if I'm getting it. So you're supposed to avoid bringing into head voice after your vocal break and essentially keep pulling chest? I thought there wasn't a healthy way to pull chest so you bridge it with head?
I think this video of mine will clear up the confusion for you: ua-cam.com/video/dcsxU2RolyY/v-deo.html and this one too might help: ua-cam.com/video/sr-xu0J8jWI/v-deo.html I have an entire step-by-step protocol that anyone can use to build this ability up from scratch, even if you aren't born with talent or a naturally high voice. I was stuck with my voice for years and figured this stuff out through years of trial and error and have taught it successfully over and over and over again. If you need any help don't hesitate to reach out
My chest voice also used to be stuck at F4, now I can take it beyond C5 and have helped many others to be able to do the same thing. If you're willing to work with me I can get you doing the same.
Hard to say because I had many ups and downs in my journey. I'd think I had it figured out and then get stuck somewhere and then have to go back and retrain things. For example, I'd get the range but then it was unstable and unusable in songs or I'd get power but lose the ability to back off volume, or vice versa, or I'd get power and then couldn't go high anymore. It took me many years to figure out how to get the versatility, the stability, the freedom, the dynamic and volume control I needed to sing my songs the way I wanted with confidence and freedom...AND be able to take all that knowledge and structure it in a way that I could take someone from scratch and develop it into their voice.
@@philmoufarrege it would be nice, but i just finished a CVT training and it solved my problems. Now I can sing in chest up to E5 when it’s a short note and up to c5 when it’s a long sustained one . I am not bridging in head voice anymore. But CVT has very specific names for the kind of chest voice you are singing in: overdrive, edge and curbing, and I hear you doing a lot of overdrive 🙂. That’s why I thought you were CVT trained.
It depends what YOU mean by "mixing it with headvoice". Check out my latest video because I demonstrate a thinner mixed voice unstable sound vs what I consider a more stable solid sound. Perhaps you're referring to that.
@@philmoufarrege the solid one... Yeah I just watched it. I have a baritone voice type, it's robust and I like it, but I wanna be able to reach at least a solid F#4 😅. Will practise this. Thanks a lot, Phil!
Don’t. You will do permanent damage to your vocal cords. If a note doesn’t feel natural in your body’s chest voice, which is just a musical version of your speaking voice, it’s not meant to be hit in full chest and needs to be hit in mix instead. Everyone’s body is different, so everyone’s range is different. How high of notes you can hit in your chest depend on the physical thickness and length of your vocal folds. Changing that could only be achieved with surgery. And if you think you’re changing it, you’re not, you’re just straining it and maybe adding callouses (otherwise known as nodes. These f up your voice)
This guy really has that voice most guys who struggle with high notes have. Me too. I just got up to F# finally. Tbh, thanks to this guy! His voice is just a PERFECT example for us “baritone curse” people lol
yep because I WAS one of those guys who was stuck at F4 for years DESPITE taking lessons and doing singing programs. I specialize in helping people with this kind of heavier, deeper voice and getting them to increase their vocal range. Check out my website to learn more PHILMOUfARREGE.COM
@@colincools684 Colin was 16 years old when he learned that different people have different voice types. ;) for example generally speaking tenors have ranges of C3 to C5, baritones A2 to A4, basses E2 to E4.... I'm a basso profondo, my lowest reliable note right now is A#1, my highest is C5 (nasal eeeeeee lol), my vocal break is at just G3, A3. also, even if you didn't 'learn' mixed voice, it doesn't mean you haven't simply intuitively been using it. it's not a different register or anything, it's essentially just an approach of adjusting placement, vowel modification, etc.
@@colincools684 you probablt mix
Any advice on how to bring up the limit on your chest voice? Any good exercises?
@@colincools684 its hilarious that i thought this was me until i realized that i was an octave higher haha. talking about me specifically
Absolute beast mode instruction! This is like the holy grail of mixed voice and baritone salvation all in one!
Exactly! I've been saying this over 10 years. You have to get used to really going strong, continually challenging yourself, like a bodybuilder. You have to work hard down below, to obtain freedom up top. Like they keep saying, singing is a very athletic activity of body AND mind.
Watched this video for the first time today and I some hours later I found my mix after 6 years
GOATED vocal teacher!!!!!!!!
You taught the real technique, I'm reallllly grateful!!!!!!!!;
I've been doing exercises INCLUDING mix exercises for YEARS and still have the same issues of breaks and bridging into headvoice. This was the FIRST time out of all the online coaches that have stated that having a weak CHEST voice may be the reason for a weak mix. I had a friend that is a musician once tell me that he felt my head voice was good but to maybe strengthen my chest voice, but I didn't think about it because why would I need to strengthen my chest voice? Especially when that's where I sing from most anyways right? But i'm starting to see that it probably was the case.
Thank you for this. I'm going to work on this for a few weeks and update this and tell you the results. Thank you so much.
I was in the same boat as you for years. I'd go to teachers and they'd just tell me to "relax my voice" and "bridge into headvoice" but what eventually got me the vocal range and control I was looking for was learning how to STRENGTHEN the chest voice HIGHER in a stable larynx position. I stress stable larynx position because if the larynx gets out of control it can really create instability and cause the voice to become shaky as you go into your mix in the higher range.
i was coached to sing chest up to C5 , but then later to mix to make it easier.
I think I remember going into the 5th octave range and being in head but then thinking about connecting the chest and actually started getting it on the descend, that feeling nothing is flipping and it is connected
This is the exactly what i've been struggling with and i have had false understanding of "mixed voice" you just solved it. You give REALLY PRACTICAL exercises that make sense with your explanation too. You deserve more recognition.
thanks, if you want to learn more check out my free singing masterclass just go to my website and you can watch it.
I just came back to this video to say the very same thing after yelling in my truck for a couple days.
Actually yelling helps, I've been doing it for sometime.
This is the first video that told me to yell my way into mixed voice. I almost discredited it right off the bat as that seemed totally opposite of what all the other videos have been telling me, but I gave it a shot and I can’t believe the rate of progress. I thought I was only capable of mixing very quietly, but now I am yelling up to a G4, where before I could only comfortably sing a D4. That’s after only a couple of trips to work and back of yelling in my truck.
Thanks Timothy I'm glad you kept your mind open to hear me out. The key thing is that there is a PROCESS and ORDER. This is one PART of it, and a part that many are not explaining. Everyone wants to jump to "relax everything" but if there is no strength developed first then there is nothing to "relax from" and the voice falls apart. The voice needs to be strengthened so that it wants to hold together and then once that is adequately developed only then can the voice be further refined to finer degrees where it actually starts sounding musical and less "yelly".
For someone who was stuck at D4 such as yourself, I've never seen someone like that ever grow their vocal range with being super soft. Being stuck on D4 is a strength weakness and the voice needs to be developed loudly first for people like that. being able to sing high without going super loud or yelly comes later, it's a more ADVANCED skill and ISN'T developed first. If you want to learn more about the process I have a free singing masterclass video on my website.
Once you figure it out, you'll wonder how you couldn't do it before. After many years of trying, it's simple and obvious :)
very well said
That’s all things in life… Cannot imagine how I didn’t know how to play the guitar!
This video is literally the answer I was searching for my whole life.
Thank you so so much for the video🙏 may God gives shower of blessing upon you.
So glad I found this video I’ve been having the exact same issue as the guy in the recording. I’ve always thought you had to work from the “thin” voice, but this new way of looking at it makes so much more sense in retrospect.
Glad it made sense to you. I have many step-by-step progressions to building the voice in my program that are very different to the things you've most likely seen from others.
The reason for the need of more compression and force would be also good to explain. The main reason is, that when singing in chest voice more mass is swinging from the vocal folds, e.g. like using a thicker string on the guitar. When you try to play the 14th fret on the low E string, it will need a lot more force to make it ring properly compared to playing the 4th fret on the D string.
This is literally what I needed. Thank you ! I don’t find many videos like this. It was short, clear and useful
you are very welcome. check out my website to learn more: philmoufarrege.com
Yeah last year I found this channel when I was getting vocal fatigue because of my bad technique,
And then I learned about mix voice from this channel and some other channels, and now I can do mix up to 5th scales, without hurting my vocal cord.
Thank you
that is great to hear, good work
Baekhyun?
I knew one day I’d finally find a video that can explain head voice to me. This was an excellent explanation with a very intuitive way to think about it. Thank you!
You are very welcome. If you're interested in learning further and possibly working with me you should check out my website PHILMOUFARREGE.COM
welcome back most truthful and honest youtube vocal coach :)
You completely changed the way i sing years ago with a video about mixed voice. This is great too. Thank you!
Thank you for letting me know!
This was the best video which directly guided me to what's wrong with me. I'm really thankful. I'll soon join your class whenever I can ❤️
great to hear
Thanks Phill, your way of teaching make sense to me. Keep on the good work😊
Glad you found it helpful Fred let me know if you need any help
Mate ! this was such an insightful video.The way you explain the mechanisms is really great.We all appreciate you my man,much love ❤️
you are most welcome.
Gonna give this a shot, I’m excited from reading the comments !
Great to have you back, Phil! It's been a while.
Thank you for the welcome back 😀
Thank you, Phil. Your approach to this technique is simplified quite practically. It's very easy to follow through on this.
Glad it was helpful!
So glad to have you back
thanks
this is THE best explanation of compression EVER
This video is really helpful. I got information, which I ve never got from any where else. Loved it😀😀😀
Glad you found it helpful, for more go to my website PHILMOUFARREGE.COM
This is awesome. Just on my second day of searching some singing lessons, UA-cam logarithm has brought me in here. This guy sounds absolutely brilliant and genuine. Subscribed straightaway 🙂
glad you found it helpful. thank you
Just what I need thank you!
awesome!
This is just great! It makes me happy! It helps me tremendously!
awesome!
Good stuff mate thanks for the video lesson that helped heaps
Great video, Mr. Phil. I can understand a lot more about mixed voice from this video. Thank You. Terima kasih.
Excellent, thank you for letting me know
Love it👍
Love this video phil
Thank you!
I think you’re doing a great job explaining the breath support and where to breath - I e - into your side and keep the belly basically flat
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Subscribed. I have zero head voice, and I've been hitting that upper wall for years. Worse, following other's advice I went backwards from max G4 to F4, thinking I had to get worse to get better. Very excited to try this instead.
THANK YOU SO MUCH 🥰
you are most welcome
Thank you so much
You are most welcome
Kindly make a video on low notes as well. How to break barrier and reach down to those notes !!
We wish to know your take on this subject.
This was really good thanks phil
you are most welcome
This video is so helpful and confirms exactly what I've recently come to understand. You NEED to master chest voice. You can't skip it.
I tried skipping to a high mix for the last two years and wasted so much damn time
I've seen many of ur videos since I started learning but finally now I get it
Spot on. And in fact, when the chest voice is properly developed it IS the "high mix". High mix is just a well developed chest voice. Learn more at my website here: PHILMOUFARREGE.COM
I play guitar, adore music and have always wanted to sing. I’m a Basse-contres and an F2 is honestly comfortable for me and after puberty was struck reaching an A4 was painful. Over the past few years I’ve been strengthening my upper range and still trying to get mixed voice. 👍🏼
Man, I’d love to have a hypnotising voice like Chris Cornel or Steve Marriott.
Thanks for writing. Now the question is, are you willing to do what is necessary to get there? And if you cannot do it alone, are you willing to get the needed guidance and mentorship that can take you there?
you are a great teacher phil! i`ve been practicing a lot and i feel like im improving! thank you. Im kind tight of money now but in the future i sure would love to have an online singing check up with you!!
great to hear of your improvements Matheus, thank you
this is 100% how i developed my mix. Perfect vid!
you're switched on brother!
Going the opposite way and singing soft with more control helped me find that mix and transitions. Singing softly with ear plugs is a great way to increase your AWARENESS of where that resonance is coming from. Soft is way better for developing and regulating that compression needed to stay in mix as you move up and down your range.
Working softer and controlling it is definitely what I would consider an advanced skill. I've found that people definitely need to be able to do what I'm showing in this video first before they're able to benefit from coordinating the voice softer, otherwise they can't do it properly.
Hey Phil, great video. I can sing decently up to G#4 on vowels like aa, ah, oh etc, but when I start singing words at F#, G, and G#, it gets a really thin mixed voice and I strain or my voice starts cracking heaps. I have your singers vault, but it's hard to know what I'm practising is correct or if I did it wrong the whole time.
I am so happy to see your beautiful face back on UA-cam!!!
I believe I have spotted an imposter
lol
I'm actually facing the same problem you faced before. I can only sing comfortably until an f4, and when I go to g4, I strain a lot. And when I bridge higher, it just sounds so much like a head voice. It's very thin. I wanted to make it fuller and thicker, and maybe this is the reason why. Thanks for the tips, i'll try applying them and see if there are any improvements.
If you're trying to thicken up your higher range above the F4 then this video is only really covering the first step towards that (although it will help a lot). There is more to it than what is covered in this video, I have an entire step-by-step protocol for building this to move beyond the F4 without losing thickness or stability in the voice.
Hey Phil, had a quick question about breath support and cord compression. You said that as we go to sing a note, we should try to expand our waist area and basically resist the belly/waist/back from collapsing and letting go of the breath. I think this is what you meant.
Does that mean as we go higher in our vocal range, we need to keep that resistance and expansion even more? To me, this would be against the natural flow of how our body works since sound in our voice/body is created with breath creating vibration as it goes through our vocal cords. Science gives us an equation: subglottal pressure(cord compression) X speed of the airflow= pitch.
Expanding our body/belly/waist/back would cause the airflow to slow down since we know when we let out a breath, our waist area collapses. If we try to expand our body, wouldn’t that let the breath stop from going out? And that would result in having to create that much more subglottal pressure(even more squeeze from the vocal cord) just to make a pitch.
As someone interested in the science of voice, this just rang a bell in my mind since I’ve seen many vocal coaches teach the expansion and putting more pressure on the belly/waist area rather than collapsing that area which makes more sense to me in terms of how science talks about human bodies.
Expanding the sides is a MUSCULAR movement, meaning it can be done WITHOUT the breath.
I can make my sides expand WITHOUT any kind of sound or movement in the breath.
What I am talking about is the MUSCULAR movement. This needs to be present WITH the sound so that the MUSCLES that are involved in stabilizing the larynx can work and then you get the "connection" of the breath and the body working together.
The best way to learn this is by having someone who can do it guide you through making the proper sounds. You don't need to know any theory or science to make these sounds, it will only distract you from actually finding the proper position and getting the results.
@@philmoufarrege thanks for the explanation!
5:21 Hi phil, but that yelling feeling slowly gone little by little when I go up (G4 still feels good, sometimes A4 too but at Bb4 the yelling and strong feeling is gone) also can you demonstrate that yelling that you did but in A4? I really wanna see how strong it is.
It's good to be back Phil!
There are many more steps than what I’ve shown here, this is the first main priority before exploring the notes above. I’ll consider doing a video on how to maintain thickness and mass into the higher ranges - basically you need to learn how to keep the larynx on the lower side and also strongly keep the vocal cords compressed together. getting this right by the f4 area is super important first though.
@@philmoufarrege I think that not copying others voice and just using your own while going up will keep the larynx low, but still there's no strength at high note so that's gonna be really helpful if u film something bout this. Thanks man!
You can tell by the timbre of this guy’s voice that he’s got a nice tenor voice (probably a lyric tenor or something). This goes to show that having a higher voice type doesn’t automatically mean you can sing high, especially when untrained. It takes work. There are lots of guys out there that think they have the “baritone curse” simply because they can’t sing past E4 or F4. I was one of them. Then, once I got some training, I discovered I had a relatively light tenor voice and had a much higher range than I initially thought.
Your voice type does not automatically dictate your range. I’ve heard basso profundos belt up in the tenor range. Anyone who puts in the the time and effort can extend their range quite high.
good points dude. check out this video of mine where I go into this a bit more:
ua-cam.com/users/shorts-h5PNwFVFKQ
Oh my god, the beginning is exactly what I sound when I try to use mix voice lol
These are very common issues lots of singers go through!
same omg :sob:
How to Develop Your Chest Voice (Break Through Perceived Limits) Dynamics, Versatility, Blending
He's baaaack! yes!!!!!!!
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I'm going to do this and hopefully i can progress to a B4🤞🤞, thank you so much
You got this!
My highest note is a F5. I am doing 2 hours of training a day with focus on lip trills which greatly improved my voice. I am a Tenor and before learning mix I could go to a B4. I want to get into whistle register eventually but it's really hard to navigate that bridge. I am building a strong chest dominate mix and then going back and building my head/falsetto. And my coach said I was a Barri/Tenor lol. I am probably a Tenor/Soprano. It was always a dream of mind to be able to sing in the female range and now I am doing it! I was even on Apex yesterday and my friend said my voice kinda sounded like MJ and I was like no I did not change my voice range that freaking much. I am always tracking my pitch with an app as well. I don't know but but after 3 months of intense training I felt as if my passaggio has grown for some reason or maybe I am just more aware of it?
Hey I hope you’re having an awesome day, I’d like to ask what is your practice routine ?
Congrats by the way damn F5 chest/mix is suuuper awesome. I can go there but it’s like heady thing
Im curious to your routine as well. You progressed immensely and u should be very proud. I’ve been practising two hours a day for all most to months now and my progression is not that good, so I’d love to hear what you’ve done yourself. 😊
What would you say the limit is for that type of mixed voice? Like can you take your chest voice/mixed voice, up to let's say, to an E5 or an F#5? Is that realistic for most males?
Yes it's possible.
thank you so much for this video! my chest range is C2-C4(bass lol) and I have found my mix voice and have gotten to where i can get up to a C5, the problem has been it has had HORRIBLE TONE has been very weak, im hoping that working thru this video regularly will help me accomplish that.
awesome. if you can do the things I show in this video then the next step will be the following video
ua-cam.com/video/JWjbdmHma8s/v-deo.html&lc=UgxiqSTfownSyZq6CJt4AaABAg
don't worry about the horrible tone it will be there for a while.
The way I think of it now is in term of Tone, just like a guitarist tuning his eq and amplifier.
A great example I found is Kid Laroi's song without you when he says "I cant believe that" this is the edgy brassy tone, its very memorable and catches the attention, its 100% breath support, this tone you want to try to get it first then bring it high so your tone is strong there. Also to that person I'd say no voice tone is bad, the weak voice has many uses too.
With how I teach I focus more on the FUNCTION first. So to use your guitar analogy, what I'm focusing on is the BUILD of the guitar. Making sure that guitar WORKS properly. The EQ and AMP is the stylistic COLOUR we put on top of that but if the underlying function of the guitar is wrong then we're merely colouring something that doesn't function properly to begin with. There is a difference between BUILDING the voice and then PERFORMING with the voice you've built.
AH! There's that bass player again. Damn! Nice to see u'r ok, man!
great to hear from you Bryan!!! I got another song with him coming soon hah
Hey Phil, I'm glad have come across your channel. Actually I'm new to western music. I've been learning Hindustani vocal, which focuses mainly on chest voice. So it was the first time me, practicing falsetto/head voice (I sounded like a jerk lmao) and could sing upto A5. How's that note for a beginner? And what do the terms baritone, tenor etc mean?
Hey yo same scene here. i was learning hindustani classical for about 1 year it got so frustrated doing those alankaar and sargam because they strained my voice they just say sing from stomach but they don't tell you about the support. I have enrolled in phil course it's been a while and i have learnt so many things in a month than my entire 3 year singing journey. He is right UA-cam will never make you learn singing. It's a puzzle which has to be solved in a sequence and his course does that so seamlessly. PS. This is a genuine Indian writing this comment.
Great!!!!!!!!
No more tenor bullshit teaching baritone to bridge into head voice when they do it waaaaayyyyy easier than baritone. And its way easier for a tenor to do a powerful high notes than a baritone. Finally a true baritone teaching a baritone! Back then I thought the concept was just to build the bridge into falsetto smoothly. And it frustrated me because I couldnt do those powerful high notes.
Sorry for ranting but I approached it wrongly for years even tho I already got a strong support. And I finally understood what I did wrongly. I can imagine how much people r frustrated out there just like me.
A lot of higher and lighter voices still struggle with these things and the things I'm talking about here are still 100% relevant for those types of voices, but you're right - heavier voices definitely can have a trickier time learning this and building up the strength.
@@philmoufarrege so, its been 3 days since Ive watched this vid. Just wanna tell u that I reached C5 without head voice with no effort at all!
Truly a magical tips! U r the real deal! Subbed!
That is excellent to hear. Great work
Phil I followed your advice here but find my mixed voice leads me to Belting really f-ing loud. I like to practice late at night so I practice with a “small voice” Is it ok to back off the volume or will that put me back into a weak headvoice? Can I have a good mixed voice without it being super loud.
It is possible to sing smaller in the mixed voice without it going to falsetto and to do it with stability. But the way to build the strength to do that is done by first having to go loud, because it takes a lot of strength to do it smaller and that strength is first built loudly. Then you learn how to use that exact same mechanism but "contain" the sound. So it's not like you're singing "lighter" it's more that you're pressurizing that big sound and squashing it into a smaller box and "containing" it.
I don't know what your experience is or whether you are ready for this without hearing you. I also don't know what YOU think "small" means too, it may mean TOO small. There is a certain amount of volume and pressure needed to keep the voice connected and stable and you must learn what that threshold is.
If it’s REALLY loud, you are probably yelling/straining which is going to give you nodes later on. Do not listen to him. You shouldn’t start out loud when first learning mix. Loud comes LATER. With control, usually due to breath compression and resonance control. So it’s actually the opposite; your mix voice gets more powerful the longer you work on it, due to your breath control & support (your diaphragm) physically strengthening from practice.
I've already been doing these exercises since 3 yrs... all you've told on your channel but nothing happened yet... but the mum mum exercise really loosen my chords and efforts to sing high... I am still in confusion what to believe or what to not. However, I still find indian classical vocal practises a better approach. How to get known of what i am doing is correct or wrong? Please suggest me !
What I show on this channel is a very small part of what I actually teach. There are many steps and progressions involved in building the voice and this video covers only ONE of the many steps that I teach for building a voice.
I am a baritone..i can hit G4 but only in a scales..my comfortable note in a song would be something around D4/D#4..can i really extend my chest voice? How long does it usually take to extend chest voice to at least to C5...
yes you can. I've helped many singers who couldn't get past C4 up to C5 and I'm currently working with a legit bass baritone who I helped him get from C4 to C5 in just a few months in a usable way. With the right training I can usually get you this kind of range within 6-12 months. Refining it to the point where you can sing over difficult songs with great ease usually takes another 12 months I would say. With the wrong training you can be spinning your wheels for 10 years and not get anywhere.
Now days I can't even sing high notes without having a crack or a weird sound on them 😭 and thank you for this um def trying it
what are you doing to fix this? are you seeing a teacher or using a singing program? if not, why not?
@@philmoufarrege nope and the reason is it's hard to find a vocal teacher here in where um at but Ik for a fact that my voice starting acting like this when I first discovered my head voice 2 months ago and since then I have been trying to use it but as I keept on doing that my voice became worse and worse 😭
Wow phil great to have u back
I appreciate the kind welcome Richard thanks!
Do you have any videos on how to belt ee and oo in the A4 and up range?
check my latest video it talks about the 2nd bridge (A4 area)
Really good video, Phil♥️ Where can I find that whole song you used as an example in this video?
"Under Fire" - Found it. Damn that song is lit
thanks!
Because vocal fry is pure chest voice, I have been spending a lot of time on that, and it made my voice very strong. Vocal fry is mostly TA, so that makes sense. Tenors need more of that than falsetto, as they already have small folds to begin with. Baritones probably benefit from falsetto more than tenors do. It hasn't really done anything for me.
From what I’ve experienced it’s actually heavier and deeper voiced people that tend to need the most chest voice work and tend to struggle with it the most, because it takes more muscle strength for those people to compress their vocal cords together and get their voices moving. Another reason is that heavier voiced people tend to have to under-use their voice in social settings otherwise they’ll be “too loud” so they get used to speaking and using essentially a fraction of what their voice is meant to be. This makes the voice weak and makes them very unfamiliar with just how to REALLY properly engage their voice fully
@@philmoufarrege This is a beautiful and insightful assessment and I wish more people were more aware of this. Having a low (bass) voice, there are so many social factors involved, you really get used to speaking with higher pitch than what is efficient and sustainable for you because everyone around you has a naturally higher voice and it's weird speaking lower than everyone else, but also because speaking at a comfortable pitch is LOUD. It's naturally loud, and it causes sympathetic vibrations in like... furniture and walls and all kinds of objects nearby, so it stands out to begin with and then things are rattling nearby which makes it feel even louder, and if you're a fairly shy or anxious person... it's overwhelming. Having a bass voice is overwhelming and sometimes people respond to it negatively, they get intimidated, which... isn't fun. So you get used to speaking higher and thinner to take the edge off of the experience, but... then there is constant vocal strain issues, there's bad habits that form, and when you go to sing and encounter issues no one believes you have a low voice because it sounds like you could sing higher (from being so accustomed to speaking in that upper mid-voice area) and when you do sing lower pitches it doesn't necessarily have the booming quality people associate with a bass voice because you're habitually weak in that area, strained from unhealthy speech habits, and untrained. It's a brutally invalidating experience, with a lot of frustration, and it does horrible things to your confidence as a vocalist. A good experienced vocal teacher can recognize this fairly quickly, but many are not used to working with bass voices and so they usually impose the range and tonal expectations of a baritone, which leads to confusion and fatigue from constantly trying to produce a sound that your voice cannot efficiently create. To teach the same techniques to a bass that you would teach to a baritone and have them build the muscles in the same way, you have to change your expectations not only for pitch range, but also for tonality throughout the full pitch range. I find people often treat bass voices as if they are a baritone that can just sing lower, instead of recognizing the social and physiological factors unique to such a low voice and understanding how that changes the natural resonances and harmonics present as the vocalist ascends in pitch. People are not used to hearing lower pitches in that gradually thinned out mid-voice coordination that allows someone to sing higher and louder without breaking. If they do it correctly, a bass singing very thin and relatively high will start to sound almost similar to the lower part of a tenor's range. But if you compare them side by side at the same pitch, the difference is obvious because the tenor has a much wider and more relaxed sound with more natural variation at that pitch. Tenors don't need to approach those pitches nearly so thin because they aren't at risk of breaking yet, and the harmonic profile they have is very different because the acoustics are so different. In their upper registers, bass voices still have so much harmonic complexity that they can almost sound like a tenor's thinned out mid-voice, but... no one really trains bass vocalists to make use of that because we have tenors, and even the strongest bass upper register is still never going to be as full as the same pitch produced using a modal coordination.
Needed these comments, too!!
what is your opinion on straw phonation?? can it give me the mix that is used by a lot of singers like Bruno mars or no ?? and how much it costs to take a face-to-face lesson with you ??
I'm not a fan of the straw stuff. Essentially the straw and water are creating so much pressure FOR YOU that when you start to sing without it, the strength difference is so great that it doesn't usually carry over very well. it's like wanting to benchpress 315lbs by practicing with an empty barbell over and over again. It's also not teaching you how to control the vowels which is the absolute key to high range singing.
I've never found it beneficial or necessary for either myself or singers I've worked with over the years. I prefer to teach singers directly what they need without any use of straws or lip trills.
It's kinda the opposite for me lol. I was trained in two school choirs growing up and have been singing for 27 years.. My chest voice does belt and project because it's how I was taught to sing. Problem is I'd try to do the same thing with head voice but hit a brick wall. I learned that I don't have to belt every song that I sing, that I can just sing in an even register. I do this by singing into my studio mic whilst wearing headphones. Since I've started doing that - I transition into head voice more smoothly and can sing much higher. I will say that, as I sing higher, with power, I do find my jaw opening more but maybe that's my training kicking in I dunno lol.
Being able to sing in a more even and less loud coordination is because of all the years you spent singing big. It's the next progression to learn, which you've instinctively discovered. This is really a big part of what I'm getting at in this video, that there is a progression to develop the voice. A lot of people are trying to get to that "even" coordination without any kind of strength to begin with, not realizing that that "even coordination" actually takes a lot of strength first that then needs to be coordinated and refined.
Needed these comments. Thank you.
Can you make more videos about breath support
What would you like to know in particular? The more detail the more I can tailor the video specific to you
Do you do private lessons on FaceTime or zoom? This is the exact thing I’m trying to work on. I can’t get past Eb4
Yes I do. philmoufarrege.com
Hello sir Phil, how can i sing with a head dominant mix whilst keeping the chest quality like zayn malik?
Before worrying about that you first need to make sure you can sing the song with good control and consistency first. Once you have reached that point then you can experiment with how soft or loud you want to sing. "head dominant mix" is just "less loud", however the song dictates how much you can get away with. If you back off your chest voice too much you lose the "anchor" or "stability" on the notes. So priority one is learn to sing with good stability, control and consistency before worrying about those things.
I've been using some of your's and Marnell"s older videos for just a few days but WOW what improvements!!! I like your octave arpeggios 135888531 and Marnell's How to sing clearly and his How to sing High notes in chest. Years ago I suffered from a high larynx and couldn't sing an AW in the A3-C4 range. Got my Larynx under control, now these exercises greatly assist in lightening the voice (the larynx lowering work was a lot of neutral and back vowels which over-weighted my voice) upper range now getting easier.
Dude - you look great, glad No COVID Fat!!! - Glad you're back, and looking forward to more videos.
Joey
that is excellent to hear.
8:40 What if you do this and it still feels tight in your throat and jaw?
I would need to hear you do it to offer corrections. Sign up for my email list on my website and send over an email with a recording and I can see what’s going on. Remember these videos are tips, I’m summarizing a lot of information quickly that in THE PRO SINGER’S VAULT I break down into even more steps and greater detail
Welcome back! Do you give voice lessons still?
Absolutely. Never stopped!
Is your soft palate raised or low for the AH.
Definitely raised on all the vowels, but it raises as a BYPRODUCT of getting the breath pressure and then the vocal cord compression on top of it - so soft palate is not something I recommend MANUALLY trying to control.
@@philmoufarrege oh I see. For the past few months I thought it needed to be lower so you have more nasal resonance based on other vocal coaches on yt. Like Chris liepe or christopher d Mitchel. Maybe I misunderstood them
@@wowawewah I definitely don’t recommend trying to lower the soft palate and singing nasal, it won’t build you to anything. If you want to do it for an artistic thing in a song that’s fine but recognize there’s a difference between doing sounds to BUILD your voice vs just doing things for an artistic performance.
Getting that ringing clear bright resonance comes automatically from the strong compression of the vocal cords combined with the proper breath support. Trying to sing nasal weakens the voice, your high notes will become thinner and unstable.
@@philmoufarrege That makes sense. Thank you!
Can i ask ? If sometimes i could hit G4 with my chest and sometimes not
Is it supported? Or out of range
that's not enough information for me to give you an answer. Just hitting a note doesn't mean it's supported or out of range. If you need help or guidance with your voice I offer lessons online and a singing program. learn more at my website philmoufarrege.com
Add to this the fact that most people try to sing outside of their vocal range (lower or higher) without any training or technique and it just turns out bad. I know from personal experience!
I am absolutely fixated on the fact that he is partially see through in the first clip and you can see the lights through his shirt
that's what happens when you get to the advanced levels of vocal technique, you start becoming see through!!
@@philmoufarrege a likely story Phil, you’re so transparent 😄
But in order for our mix to develop, shouldn't we also develop our head voice? And not rely on chest all the e time?
Yes head voice (falsetto) needs to be developed and coordinated with the chest voice and I have many exercises for doing this in my program THE PRO SINGER'S VAULT. However this I would say constitutes about 30% of how to get there. Most of what will get you there is the chest voice, and if the chest voice is not developed right then no amount of headvoice training will do anything. I would say 9/10 people have issues mostly with the chest voice holding them back and are spending way too much time training their head voice.
Well explained phil...so informative...I am too struggling for my voice beyond G#...it gets thinner and had to use headvoice which changes the texture and pitching...how to improve
I'm living in an apartment, I know I can sing on the fifth octave whenever I can make my chest loud like this, but I too scare to shout ~~, im so desperate to sing high right now
you need to find somewhere to practice where you can be as loud as you want
Hmmm... This appears to be working right quickly, giving much more volume to the rest of my voice. I tend to speak from somewhere "inside" my throat, which makes my throat hurt whenever I talk. But speaking with this more "pressurized" abdominal style seems to be doing the trick big time. As others have expressed, this really does appear to be the missing tool in my vocal repertoire!
great to hear, there are other "missing links" check out my other vids.
Hey, can you please answer?
When i do "carry" my chest voice higher, i go into this nasally tinny quality. My chest voice stops at D4, but when i "carry" my chest voice higher into a "mix," I can do a C5. Doesnt sound good, but i can. However, its super inconsistent, and sometimes my chest voice kind of "breaks" into the "carry chest mix" and then the "carry chest mix" breaks into falsetto/head voice, just like chest voice breaks to head voice, albeit less dramatically. I have to be in a very loud volume and it cracks a LOT. I also need to be in a "tight" sort of feeling in my throat. Not tense, but tight. Kind of like im constricting air.
Im so confused and frustrated. Isnt this "mix" supposed to help me smooth my vocal break? Instead this "mix" voice gets another break. It sounds like chest though, and it feels like its in the nose, or face. Ive been miserable these past few days because despite everything i cant leave this plateau.
would need to hear what you're doing to offer any kind of meaningful feedback.
@@philmoufarrege aw man. Well I might figure it out eventually.
Hey phil, i've been struggling getting over c#4 (i start getting some tension and strain around b3 ). I haven't reached the f4 break yet so a lot of your video seem too advanced for me, what do you recommend i do? I've tried shouting but i can't do it
work with me directly dude. I get people who are stuck at C4 up to C5 in a usable full voice in just months.
@@philmoufarrege sadly i cant do that. thanks anyway though, you're amazing!!! if i ever get a vocal coach you'd be the first pick
Does it take more than years to increase range from F4 to c5?
I have been belting for a year and my highest note is F#4
I can usually get people there within 3-12 months depending on your pre-existing level.
I think that I squeeze my false vocal folds when I do this exercise. Am I doing it wrong? I am able to do the exercise quite high without raising my larynx, and the sound is clear and loud (not distorted). But it feels a bit like lifting something heavy / holding the breath.
it's pretty normal to squeeze the false folds initially. Then we refine all that stuff a bit later once you have the coordination down and begin to loosen and relax everything gradually without losing the underlying coordination.
@@philmoufarrege Okay, thank you very much.
I'm still not sure if I'm getting it. So you're supposed to avoid bringing into head voice after your vocal break and essentially keep pulling chest? I thought there wasn't a healthy way to pull chest so you bridge it with head?
I think this video of mine will clear up the confusion for you: ua-cam.com/video/dcsxU2RolyY/v-deo.html
and this one too might help:
ua-cam.com/video/sr-xu0J8jWI/v-deo.html
I have an entire step-by-step protocol that anyone can use to build this ability up from scratch, even if you aren't born with talent or a naturally high voice. I was stuck with my voice for years and figured this stuff out through years of trial and error and have taught it successfully over and over and over again.
If you need any help don't hesitate to reach out
I have low chest voice vocal break at f4 , head is g5 a5 I don't know how to have good connection falsetto is miserable too
My chest voice also used to be stuck at F4, now I can take it beyond C5 and have helped many others to be able to do the same thing. If you're willing to work with me I can get you doing the same.
@@philmoufarrege I will try your exercise
How long did it take you to learn mix??
Hard to say because I had many ups and downs in my journey. I'd think I had it figured out and then get stuck somewhere and then have to go back and retrain things. For example, I'd get the range but then it was unstable and unusable in songs or I'd get power but lose the ability to back off volume, or vice versa, or I'd get power and then couldn't go high anymore. It took me many years to figure out how to get the versatility, the stability, the freedom, the dynamic and volume control I needed to sing my songs the way I wanted with confidence and freedom...AND be able to take all that knowledge and structure it in a way that I could take someone from scratch and develop it into their voice.
Hi! Are you a CVT (complète vocal technique) teacher?
No, I teach my own method.
@@philmoufarrege ok, many things in common 😊
You would need to work with me in order to know what I teach and how I teach it.
@@philmoufarrege it would be nice, but i just finished a CVT training and it solved my problems. Now I can sing in chest up to E5 when it’s a short note and up to c5 when it’s a long sustained one . I am not bridging in head voice anymore. But CVT has very specific names for the kind of chest voice you are singing in: overdrive, edge and curbing, and I hear you doing a lot of overdrive 🙂. That’s why I thought you were CVT trained.
I able to sing mid to high but suffer to sing lower when i try to sing lower i got caught pulling chest to sing high 🥲🥲
Is it possible to extend the chest voice range (without mixing it with head voice)?
It depends what YOU mean by "mixing it with headvoice". Check out my latest video because I demonstrate a thinner mixed voice unstable sound vs what I consider a more stable solid sound. Perhaps you're referring to that.
@@philmoufarrege the solid one... Yeah I just watched it. I have a baritone voice type, it's robust and I like it, but I wanna be able to reach at least a solid F#4 😅. Will practise this. Thanks a lot, Phil!
Then the answer is yes, you can extend it way beyond F#4 even as a baritone. Listen to Tom Jones, he can take the sound way up to the high C.
@@philmoufarrege Actually Tom Jones is the reason why I'm here watching your videos... You caught me 😆😆 😆
Don’t. You will do permanent damage to your vocal cords. If a note doesn’t feel natural in your body’s chest voice, which is just a musical version of your speaking voice, it’s not meant to be hit in full chest and needs to be hit in mix instead. Everyone’s body is different, so everyone’s range is different. How high of notes you can hit in your chest depend on the physical thickness and length of your vocal folds. Changing that could only be achieved with surgery. And if you think you’re changing it, you’re not, you’re just straining it and maybe adding callouses (otherwise known as nodes. These f up your voice)
Eek, I don't know if I can sing loudly. Too many ears out there to hear! >_
I am showing this video to everyone i know that sings
I appreciate that Daman!
I just get up to C4# max. But it is not working notes. My real bridge is on B3.
this is a very common problem and I have helped singers who were stuck on C4's get to C5's in full voice and have it be usable.
My mixed voice has been found already but it sounds weird though
This is a pretty common problem that a lot of people face when they first find their mix voice. Is it kind of like wobbly and shaky?
12:17 what song is this
James Ingram - Just Once. One of my favorite songs!
@@philmoufarrege Thank you SO muchhhh! I can see why!
Hi Phil, I love your videos, please could you put subtitles in spanish?? Saludos desde Perú, un abrazo
I don't speak Spanish so I wouldn't know where to start lol
oh my gosh he sounds like brendon urie
haha I dunno about that!