BEST BUDGET DIRECT DRIVE WHEEL! | Fanatec CSL DD vs Moza R5 vs Cammus C5 Comparison Review
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- Comparison of the Fanatec CSL, Moza R5 and the Cammus C5 to show you which is the best value, performance and what I would recommend.
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00:00 Intro
00:36 Bundles and Prices
01:38 Wheelbases
03:43 Racing wheels
06:58 Pedals
09:01 Software and compatibility
11:25 Performance
15:00 Which One Is Best?
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Thank you for taking the time and effort to produce this video. I am thinking about purchasing a DD wheel, and the information provided by you is appreciated.
Thanks for the comment, its great to hear the video helped.
I was looking for this exact vid! Thanks!
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Best DD. Thank you! Restarting amateur/casual sim racing after many years and the tech and immersion have changed so much. I hope to build a simple compact cockpit at some point. Your video was informative, easy to watch and well produced. I can’t decide which one yet but I may take my chance with the Cammus but the Fanatec is more appealing if the price point is minimal. This is a great review for a newbie racer and it’s cool that you have 300K plus subs and still take the time to reply 👍🏾
Comparison of the 3 5Nm torque level wheelbases out there currently and which I think is the best value in performance and money. Which would you get?
You can get the 8nm meter csldd as the same price as the 5nm with the current sale on 200$ with any wheel and pedals
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Such a thorough and comprehensive comparison! Thankyou 👍🏆
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These wheels are the best for the price on the consumer market. They have really refined each wheel to near perfection. Your research and analysis really helps us make the best decision on which wheel to choose given our application. Well done as always my friend.
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Thanks buddy 😍
I think value wise, in terms of feel & room for growth, the CSL DD is probably the best of the three. You get access to Fanatec's large amount of wheels, and the ability to up the power to 8NM as your skill increases.
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Thats if you order one, they say in stock on the site but the site breaks when you try to add to cart.
I almost agree, the 8nm boost kit is nice. but you can upgrade to a new DD base from moza and keep all the other accessories and youre good to go. I will actually be getting the R5 bundle and if I outgrow the DD ill be upgrading to a R16 or R21 base. Even though fanatecs DD2 base offers more torque, its stupidly more expensive over the R21.
I think you might be right. I was looking at the cammus but with shipping it’s not so different.
@@seebarry4068 Fanatec has they're Black Friday sale going on right now too so you could see the CSL DD get even cheaper, so perhaps to could get a cheap CSL DD 5NM and a CSL Elite V2 pedal set for an amazing price.
Tested the cammus c4 recently and I was absolutely loaing my mind , the force feedback is AWESOME , and for that price? Honestly they did an amazing product cost/performance ratio
'best DD' really good review this one , i like the fanatec , coz of the pathway it offers u to upgrade over time , the amount of ways through its own fanatec eco system & the amount of aftermarket parts u can buy from around the world due to its popularity , u can literately start with this very basic setup & end up with a very high level wheel base , wheel & pedals if u choose to do so , fanatec still offers a very easy way to play on both consoles & pc with very little hassle compared to any other brand .
Thanks!
Really useful review thanks - looking at upgrading wheel for my Xbox with Forza motorsport imminent from my G923 to DD and toying with Fanatec CSL but will wait to see how the Moza R3 rates when launched. Best DD
forza has really trash support for direct drives they have none and the wheel doesn't show in game separate software is needed to get it to work with moza and as far as i know it only works on windows 10 that software not 11 so i wouldn't upgrade to play forza cause it probably wont be till the next game comes out that it will work properly anyway as moza is new to the market forza don't support it forza horizon 5 doesn't anyway as i presume it is the same with every other forza game
Hey, I`ve heared about problems about quality of how the CSL DD made, that theplastic lock are to easy to be broken and the hold of the wheel is not that good, so it may just unstick from the base while playing. Any expirience about that so fat after 7 month?
Nice video, good job
Always support you
Thanks bro
You are welcome@@GeekStreet
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It seems there are way too many varying pros and cons between Moza and Fanatec. Moza's QR seems far superior, however, Fanatecs eco system seems infinitely broader. I've been leaning towards the Fanatec 8nm, however the customer support horror stories I've read have me hesitant, their lack of response on their QR2 a year after announcing it doesn't bode well.
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my hesitations exactly... There's the QR2 now though. Did you decide on anything?
@@eternalreturnal unfortunately I have not, no simple decision considering the prices don't range too wildly between ecosystems.
I saw the QR2 review Boosted Media did, not sold on Fanatec if anything I'm writing them off.
It's seemingly a shitty tactic to illicit more money out of their established customer base, rather than actually addressing the issue, and they all sold out as soon as they went up, practically breaking the site.
Fanatec have had 3 years since announcing the QR2 and IMO what they came up with doesn't hold a candle to the NRG style of QR that Moza uses, the majority of supporters are those who simply are too far into, or too heavilty invested in, the Fanatec ecosystem to swap out.
I would have already gone with either the Moza R5 bundle, or R9 if only Moza had better game and console support.
I'm thinking the all around champ of versatility and customer support probably has to go to the Logitech Pro, but the asking price is just absurd ($1700 wheel+load cell pedal set combined CAD), the only other qualm I have with it is, it's mostly plastic, and the foot print and form factor are huge lol, however if I never have to worry about breaking or replacing a drive shaft, overheating issues, or support, the cost of entry may be worth it in the long run.
first time buyer. can attest to horrible customer service
@@rzt430 what happened? thinking of purchasing fanatec as a first time buyer, but no one has explained what exactly the issue is with customer service
I just bought the Moza R5 bundle, with the brake spring. I'm super excited! A few years ago, I had the Fanatec CSL Elite bundle and, while it was very good, their software at the time was quite lacking. I'm sure that has changed over time though. Moza is SO MUCH more affordable than Fanatec and with Fanatec's current controversies/issues, I'm very glad I found Moza.
I went with the moza R5 bundle from a Logitech g29 and got the clutch uograde the cs wheel hgp shifter and handbrake and it's freaking awesome so so much better than my g29
Oh, very nice!
Best DD, thanks for this heplful video, Im pretty set on the Fanatec, but I wanted to see how it compared to the Cammus.
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did you say for moza you have to launch your games via moza?
best dd.
how does the r5 pedals feel after the performance upgrade when compared to fanatec pedals.
I'm currently looking at the Moza, only because I can get the bundle at my local Micro Center. I definitely like having an actual place to go to if i have to return it if something goes wrong. Just waiting for black Friday.
Same. Going to micro center tomorrow to get a r9. Unfortunately they don’t have the bundle so I’ll have to pay a little extra to get the base and wheel separate
By any chance are you guys in SoCal I was going to micro center to to get the r9 and some pedals I noticed they have one more wheel base left of the r9 and also no steering wheels tho wonder if they have something else that will work
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I think the Fanatec just makes the most sense...options for emhancing the base and pedals in a way the other 2 cant match means this kit will scale better than any other based on that alone. Add more feedback when you like or increase brake pedal load etc
Consider then the rest of the ecosystem and they software it becomes the clear winner in my mind. I had been leaning moza but this video has me now doing a while new set of homework
Thanks!
Tried to order the R5 Bundle directly from the Moza website, EU delivery. 165 EUR Shipping, plus the 550 Euro bundle doesn't include taxes. So the final price would be around 850 Euros, so the advertising at 550 Euros isn't so much true. So I stuck with DD CSL, CSL LC pedals and Mclaren Steering wheel V2. Around 650 euros with all taxes and shipping fees included. Much better value from Fanatec.
Did you receive your shipment yet?
Every country has different shipping laws thats why you have to go from local retailers
Another side note for you guys upgrades for the moza are considerably cheaper than fanatec like the cs wheel from moza to get a wheel like it from fanatec is $100 more the club sport rs
but you can't upgrade the power.
@@L3nny666who knows in the future can also just upgrade wheelbase without switching pedals
Hello , i have a thrustmaster t150..
I just bought forza for the first time (forza motorsport)
It worked very well at the beginning , it was pretty close to perfect.. but after few career races i would try online , but my wheels in game where going left right left right etc…
I delete the game and instal again but now my steering wheel is not detactable anymore ..
Ive tried some things from youtube but it didnt work..
Somebody had also this problems ??
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You make great videos
Thank you so much
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Best DD. Found your vid looking for advice as a dude transitioning from controller to a wheel. Your right about Cammus's postage. Highway robbery!
Cammus have a network of warehouses now, So no need to ship from China.
if the price of the moza r9 is 600 for
the bundle i will
pickup moza, but right fanatec offer better option, you can upgrade to 8nm for cheap
For PC players, would you recommend the Moza over the Fanatec?
These wheels are all amazing but I have a question regarding a wheel not mentioned here. Could you tell me which one of these wheels is the best deal? A G923 (used) with pedals and the shifter for £110, waiting longer and getting a Cammus C5 with pedals for £360 (new) or waiting even longer and getting a Fanatec CSL DD with the pedals for £400-£500?
Wait and get the csl or c5 for sure
fanatec cammus is junk
@@danielsimpson3238some pro racers say its very good
If you are really low on budget, and want to start it out, go for the g923 used, 110 spent. The wheel is good enough for beginners. then you can upgrade for the load cell pedals later down the road if you are still low on budget for a full direct drive setup. If you want a competitive setup from the moment you start, go for the fanatec csl dd with pedals. You will have to wait longer but you have an amazing setup to start sim racing
I'd advise getting whatever you can afford right now to get yourself started. I only got into sim racing last year having bought the G920 second hand myself. Now I'm looking to upgrade to the fanatec csl but i've already got a year of experience and tremendous fun under my belt sim racing thanks to that cheaper entry option. I never felt like the wheel was holding me back or anything, i'm just looking for a more immersive feel now.
The fanitec one, can it be table/desk mounted? As you didn’t mention that for that wheel
Yes that can be table mounted
Csl dd hands down. It’s a great price, can be upgraded to 8nm when ready, fanatec ecosystem, and console support. Can’t ask for more imo
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Just got the fanatec, upgraded from a t300, i wanted to ask i notice the wheel spins infinitely and in game although theres some resistance it can still turn with enough pressure is that normal?? I remember with the t300 it would lock up at 1080
thats compleatly normal most of the direct drive wheels allow for unlimited steering angle
@@dawidkossowski4714 ah i see thanks
never had a wheel before and for my first i ordered the cammus c5... can't wait to have a good time with it as a beginner.
but why? 100€/$ more and you could get the csl dd with the option to put sooo many different rims on and to upgrade it to 8nm. plus the cammus looks so weird.
@L3nny666 yeah.. i strongly considered that but had a strict budget cap as I had to buy others.
@@bigsam9987 hm ok. then have fun. direct drive is just great.
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@@L3nny666 Rims are expensive all well and good having an upgrade path but you need the deep pockets as well plus it all depends how much you want to invest into sim racing, If it's just a single very good starter DD wheel the Cammus at 5NM constant but has been likened to a 7NM peak wheel is a no brainer at it's price point of under $300 that's historically Logitech or Thrustmaster gear drive wheel money and this is why the Cammus C5 is gaining traction.
I'm waiting for Black Friday to pull the plug on some goodies
Which one would you go for?
My only issue with fanatic is they don’t sell a clutch pedal to add onto the pedals. Moza not only has an addable clutch pedal but also extra springs to put on pedals to make them more realistic. Only issue is id be loosing 3nm of torque and a smaller wheel
Actually they do, under the "accessories" category is a clutch pedal for 39.99€ or you can buy the load cell brake pedal and use your old brake pedal as clutch
I'm probably going with the Moza R3 if I buy new, or a Moza R5/Fanatec CSL DD if I find one used at a good price. The Cammus C5's upgradability already put me off, but out of curiosity I checked the shipping price and it did bring it to a price on par with that of the R3 - I'm located in the US. I'd avoid the C5 due to both that and the upgradability, the other two brands give you plenty of options to upgrade while Cammus gives none. There's a reason no other DD wheels are built with the motor attached to the wheel itself.
hi thanks for the video ....... can i use Fanatic CSL DD for gt7 if i buy the wheel ?
Unfortunately not as the wheel base is not PlayStation Compatible.
how did you manage to use cammus c5 with logitech pedals?? I want to buy a fanatech dd pro for my PS 4 , but i don't have all the money . Can you mismatch them??
Yes I used this adapter ua-cam.com/video/bcOJ_iGkwKU/v-deo.html
@@GeekStreet thank you
The C5 isn't leather, but PU leather, I've received my pre-order with the wheel / button's and LED's being dead on arrival, 2 weeks in after numerous requests for replacement and quite a few hours 'troubleshooting' the fact it's dead then finally agreed to replace, though that's another month away on top of the 2 weeks + 2 months wait, so all in all 14 weeks, looks / feels great though, but currently a pretty and expensive paperweight.
Reason for purchase was the small form factor over the competition.
Will update once received a working unit that's expected mid November.
That sucks, update please?
Got fed up waiting and bought Fanatec setup which is superb and better eco-system, had to pay £60 to get the replacement from vendor shipped, but by the time it turned up, was up and running with Fanatec and sold the C5 on eBay
@@paulware2745 So Cammus did not refund / honor warranty? Did you buy from Cammus warehouse?
I'm still deciding to buy
@@david_91P no finally rocked up / replaced after having to fork out an extra £60 for shipping (even though I purchased from UK / warehouse) and the whole process was painfully lengthy to say the least, had written it off (C5)TBH with the lack of response from vendor, hence bought Fanatec setup.
I'd stick with Fanatec TBH, far more mature eco-system with support that actually respond and the software / driver with the Fanatec is far superior, the Camus software was somewhat lack lustre.
@@paulware2745 Many thanks for sharing your experience, it is very helpful. I was hesitating not knowing if they fixed the post-service and logistics with the europe Warehouses. I'll go with some reputable local retailer of Moza (or Cammus but at retail they're much more expensive, not worth it over Moza/Fanatec).
Hey man MOZA R3 launched a steering wheel for Xbox could you review this with xbox and test this in forza horizon
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@@GeekStreet Okhh thanks man
I hate EVERYTHING with the Cammus wheel
Don't hold back 😂
I hate it to
Why be mad when its the same experience, for over 100 dollars cheaper. I admit the looks are a weak point and the back pedals are small, but besides that its just as good as anything else here.
Thank you! 😊
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would any of these options work on a PS4/PS5?
They can with drivehub or raslution
Best DD. Great video! Helped me with my choice!!
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What did you get? Mind you I don't think any of them would be a fine choice. I've had a Fanatec setup for a year or so, replaced the shaft clamp (poor design, the wheel disconnects or can when using it, FFB gets noisy prior to the disconnect) and am very happy with it. Requires a rock solid mount to get the most from it (any wheelbase) Happy racing!
@@oktc68 I went with the Fanatec CSL DD.
which do you recommend for the American Truck Simulator?
All of those are overkill for ETS2/ATS.
If it's the only game you're playing just get something cheaper.
Bro buyed it 5000 wheel for the sim bro, i wanto you did good videos thanks luv ideo bro
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the QR2 would make Fanatec the better option but currently, moza is definitely more robust than fanatec
They need to release that QR2 soon
I just went with Moza R5 cause found it on Amazon. So hoping for the best
Nice are you enjoying it?
@GeekStreet I am. Holy crap its perfect. I know everyone says go with R9 but the R5 does everything I need it to. I love it
@@businessrecreationjack8184 awesome great to hear, enjoy!
Can you use Logitech pedals and shifter with Cammus C5?
Yes check this out for more details on that
ua-cam.com/video/bcOJ_iGkwKU/v-deo.html
@@GeekStreet thanks
Ive got thrustmaster tmx force feedback but want logitech g923. Sadly i may buy g923 when thrustmaster doesnt work anymore
thrustmaster is a way better brand then logitechs. there wheels are better quality and cheaper
Anyone got thoughts on the new R3? I’d still be on pc but it’s cheaper.
I'll be releasing my review soon stay tuned
its 3.8Nm too so it's not thaat much lower than 5Nm for significantly cheaper, it still brings a decent amount of feedback especially compared to logitech and TM, however 10Nm is considered the sweetspot to many and it is a fair bit off that
Ok. But, what about warranty issues?.
The boosted R5 only has 1NM more peak torque than the 7NM peak from the C5, I think the cammus is the better product
Ive got the cammsu c5 and its amazing
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Cammus look great but wtf no clutch on pedal?
Every set of pedals shown was without a clutch...
You do not need to launch the games via moza pit house, I haven't done it and every game I played so far works great
I'm still frustrated that Fanatec doesn't deliver products in my country and the only local retailer which sells CSL DD Bundle is way overpriced, more expensive than Moza R5. The CSL DD Bundle would be the best because its force feedback can be boosted without the need to buy another wheelbase.
BEST DD. If I'll ever be able to buy one, I think MOZA is the better wheelbase, then I'll just have to upgrade on that
I decided to pick up the moza r5 because of availability
Nice, you won't be disappointed
How are you liking it?
@coldblooded3 honestly, I love it so far. Coming from a g920. The bundle was on Amazon. The only thing I missed is xbox Compatibility.
How much difference is there between entry level DD and a top one
the difference between being able to pay your rent and not.
does the fanatec come with a table clamp?
It doesn't.
Best dd also great comparison
in cammus's defense. they have multiple warehouses to combat shipping rates
not really....shipping from china is 105 and shipping from the usa warehouse is till $75, which is insane!
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loved the video
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What about the r3?
Reviewing this soon
What do you think with g29
All of the these are better than the G29
My Logitech died for absolutely no reason. And to be honest it was really notchy and not particularly nice to use. Definitely go for direct drive if you can afford it
@@ridingwithsam the difference is massive
compare c5 to c12 pls
With the cammus c5 you can just skrew the t bone into the cockpit without the thingy
Don't think so
You can where you’re supposed to screw it into the mount you can use those holes to screw it in directly you just don’t get any height adjustment.
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@@GeekStreet The hole spacing on the rods of the Cammus are Fanatec standard mounting spacings and should slot straight in to most rigs, adjusting the angle and distance of the wheel would be the only adjustment required.
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Simcube?
Are you going to do a review on the new Moza products when they release? In my opinion Moza creates the 'BEST DD's.
Also are there any giveaways coming soon 😉 Haha just joking, but thanks again for the G923
Yes working on the Moza R3 in the background, may have some giveaways in the future fingers crossed 🤞
why does bro start off sounding like uncle Rodger and ends sounding like some geazer from a pub in Birmingham
what's fox leather?
Imitation Leather, not real.
The end of Foxs as we know them! 🦊🦊🦊
That CSL Power supply boost kit thing is a scam. They sell you an 8nm motor and purposely limit the power to 5nm with an under powered power supply. And if you want the full power out of it you have to pay extra!
the r5 doesn't actually qualify as under $499 as that 1 dollar is just a gimmick and taxes and shipping will put it at almost 560usd
Maybe you should specify for PC, because if your got PS5 your SOL.
After 8 months, Moza es steering wheel, pedal shifter, left pedal broke. The place that holds the pedal shaft is plastic, so it breaks. My research is in this direction. Different people on reddit have experienced the same problem. I am a victim of this situation. Even if I contact Moza in China, my cargo and steering set will be damaged. It will not be good for me if I cannot play the game. Think twice when buying an ES steering wheel. I have used Logitech DFGT for 10 years and have never had any problems. Moza broke down in 8 months. I do not recommend it to anyone.
Take a break knowing that these will happen.
the brake dampeners are performance killers. Sim racers go into their pedals to take them out lol dont recommenced buying it
For me the shipping cost on the cammus is 10 dollars
Where are you based?
Texas, ,USA@@GeekStreet
Best DD sadly fanatec doesnt ship to india
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@@GeekStreet buying soon got a friend in Canada idk how much shipping charge it gonna be 😎😀
MOZA the best by far
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i love buget wheels
all of these are 1000 euro+ where i live 😭
Bro used Logitech pedals with the Cammus 💀💀
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If you can wait 3 Months-1 Year for deliver buy Fanatec...
moza r5 shipping costs me £150
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5.5 NM tourqe
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Love my C5. So glad i missed the Fanatic collapse.
The pedals are trash however.
"mozza" "fanatic" at least you got cammus right
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I am so... ready for forza
Which wheel do you have?
@GeekStreet something basic lol I have a logitech 923 and a playseat challenge, I had to get the playseat to save space.
@@brandonjoshua2012 still good, enjoy!
Right around the corner! Completely unrelated is govee making another sync box? I wanted to get it but it isn't a good match for my S95B.
They don't have any plans at the moment, but this could change.
Faux is pronounced ‘Foe’.
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R3 tho hehehe
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Fanatec CSL DD bundle doesn't include the table clamp. You also get the worst QR in the industry.
The QR1 Lite is pukka mate, designed for the CSL DD, can handle the 8Nm and is more stable than the worst QR in the industry 😂 It also has the benefit of being lighter, which paired with one of their lighter wheels makes for the best FFB. With a rock solid mount the CSL DD is surprisingly good, I would say that the shaft clamp as supplied lets down the unit, but it's easily replaced with a better design. With such a clamp fitted it's a solid product. Just don't attempt to buy until their volume of sales has normalised and if you can stretch to it the CSL Elite V2's are a far better set of pedals.
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What a useless review! You spend almost all of the video just listing the features, specs and product options. I can read their website description myself and get the same info. What I need from a reviewer is to tell me about the stuff that you don't know until you try it yourself, like how detailed the force feedback feels, how smooth the wheel feels to turn, if it maintains performance in a long session while heating up, etc.