The US is business friendly and doesn't give a crap about consumers. Even when the US demanded Hyundai extend the warranty on the 2.4 the control still was in the hands of Hyundai Co troll g who qualifies for warranty repairs
It’s not the design it’s the manufacturing process, I have videos on explaining this. If you followed Hyundai’s maintenance schedule and any recalls or updates you should be covered. If you ran the car low on oil or neglected it then of course they won’t honor an engine replacement
As someone who worked in Service at Kia, all Kia wants is oil change records to confirm you were using the proper oil/filter, and that you did oil changes in a acceptable amount of time. If you meet those requirements, free engine
With all the reviews and reports of how the failures are happening, I’m hoping Kia has corrected the problem. I have a 2023, and have every intention of reaching 100K if not more, I do a lot of highway miles and time will tell. Anticipating the Best, loving my X-Pro.
You explained well that the issue with these particular engines isn't the fault of the Hyundai/Kia engineers. It's that they were not deburred properly at the factory during manufacturing. Without that issue, they are actually quite a dependable and long-lasting engine. The few people who are lucky to not have this problem can get 200k+ miles out of them with proper care.
Hyundai/Kia engineers never designed these engines, as they were hand-me-down designs, purchased from Toyota. These were production line issues. But these cars are plagued with quality issues and recalls. And not that many people get to 200K miles with these cars without major problems along the way...
I've been lucky, i have that lifetime engine/trans replacement buy my car is still running fine even after 350,000+ miles. It's been taken to a dealership for every oil change and routine maintenance schedule since day one.
@@Motorcarnut I took the engine apart and found shavings in the pan and the crank/rod bearing was history. This vehicle was serviced accordingly. Unfortunately, I had to replace the engine head/block with one from my local junk yard, but it’s good to go now. It wasn’t worth rebuilding it since I could get a junkyard one for 800
my accent 2014 1.6L at 140K #3 rod bearing spun , cap bolt broke , piston hit the head and shattered. i put a used crank and piston used a can lid with JB weld to cover hole in bottom of housing and it is running . i have the old crank and i am going to check that oil passage ,,,,,,,,,
I heard from Kia in 2014 that metal shavings hadn’t been removed before building the engine. So, why did this continue for the rest of the decade? Sounds suspicious.
The problem is if the dealership replaces it they use the old new stock with the same manufacturing problems. I rebuild the old engine with new crankshaft that doesn’t have those problems and then they will last for couple hundred thousand miles
I HAVE A 2020 KIA AND ITS NOT COVERED UNDER THIS CAMPAIGN TO REPLACE ENGINES. iM SECOND OWNER STILL MAKING PAYMERNTS AND HAVE ABOUT 90000 MILES . IM FUCKED
Question good sir. I’m looking at one in Australia, second hand for around 153,000kms, right around when these engines failed. If it does will Kia replace the engine because the car is no longer under the 10 year manufacturer warranty period.
If this is so well known, how come Kia hasn’t fixed it or have they for 2019 & newer engines. My daughter is on her 3rd Kia, only due to prior accidents that were NOT her fault, they all ran & currently run great. He’s on top of her oil changes too. I think she’s at 30K mikes now. I just got a 2023 Sportage. It’s a 2.5L GDI engine. I love my car.
What are you talking about? They had a $3 billion lawsuit against them for manufacture errors. You can be on top of your oil changes and other maintenance all you want. With that lawsuit people are getting reimbursed for engine problems that they fixed with their own money as well as towing. Kia/hyundai are replacing engines as long as they find fault in the claim put in by your local dealerships service department. I am currently getting mine replaced for free as I type this. They also extended warranties to 150k miles/15 years.
Out here we get the Korean built Hyundai and Kia cars, they are more reliable than just about anything else on the road. Never see these kind of poor manufacturing issues with them, must be the one built outside of Korea that have problems.
My brother bought a 2016 Hyundai Santa Fe years ago, and mileage is 150k. The mechanic replaced parts and that but couldn't fix it. He has no clue where the problems are, and the dealer says the engine is gone. The bill was $7,000+. The insurance coverage was $3,000. This is fraud by the manufacturer making money.
Is there a way to prevent or diagnose this before it happens? Something like looking at the engine for possible damage, or the oil pan for debris. I have 2016 Forte 2.0 MPI with 100,000 Km, it has been smooth and without oil consumption, there's only like a "knocking" sound that happens sometimes for ~1s when turning on the engine, but only when it has been warmed up and turned off for a few minutes. If it is cold the sound is never there! Strange, but I'm kind of worried.
If I were you, I’d make sure you follow Kia’s updates and after that bring the car in because it’s happening already with your car and they should replace the engine. When the car is cold engine oil is thicker that’s why you don’t hear it when cold.
I'd first - install an oil catch can. There's a great install video on YT. Easy. $30 +/- $5. - Run Ats 505 CRO (oil system cleaner) and ats 505 cfo (fuel system cleaner). Order from their website. At least every other oil change. READ DIRECTIONS. It's simple to do. The fuel cleaner you just pour into your gas tank. This will ensure proper injection of fuel . The other one, you pour into your engine and rev during idle for a period of time. $60 for both - expensive for a cleaner, but I'd pay $200 for what it does.. Other maintenance items: - Use Premium gasoline every so often. - Check your PCV valve every so often to make sure it's not clogged up from the ATS cleaning you did. Essentially what you are doing here is cleaning the gunk out the oil valves that is shown in this video and anywhere else inside the crankcase. Pressure is also an enemy here. You want to: keep the oil level normal as much as possible, keep it clean as much as possible, reduce pressure in the crankcase by removing excess gunk taking up square footage (square inches) - less space = more pressure. This will ensure, or help to ensure, no oil leaks from gaskets. When I did the ATS cleaning myself, with the CRO, I noticed metallic coloration in the oil. This is the metal burs from the faulty de-burring process. They are being removed. It was darker as well. Car runs better now than it did when I bought it in '19 with 30k. RPMs rock steady at 720 at idle, gets up and goes! ,5 years and 28,000 miles later, it runs smooth as butter after all the maintenance items. It's a little bit of a pain if you hate working on cars, but for me, I sort of enjoy doing these things. Anyways, update me on how it goes or shoot me a question. These are great cars besides this flaw, incredibly important to be proactive. Good luck!
Also, remember to empty the oil catch can every so often. Start off every other day, then once/week and then from there every other week. Then, maybe once a month tops depending on your catch can. You don't want this stuff overflowing back into your engine 😬 I used to have to top off the oil about half a quart in a month (for me, about 500 miles). Now, it doesn't burn a drop.
My wife has a 2019 Tucson. Catalytic converter is starting to go. Maybe a sign of oil burning too.. I’ve always wondered how these engines failed. Thank you for simplifying it.
It’s not always by this the ones that fail and don’t have this problem is from lack of oil. These motors are gdi they will carbon up your motor and lock up the piston rings /dirty intake valves to a point where you start burning oil from the rings being compromised probably why your 2019 catylic is about to go. Oil catch can is what a gdi motor needs. We have 2020 Tucson 61k miles burns zero oil, oil catch can installed since new and oil changed every 4K miles diy that way I am keep an eye on things, not 5k or beyond a lot times it needs changed way before 5K especially because of fuel dilution and the gdi motor is rough on oil with elevated compression. Florida is also hot so 5k is going to cut it with traffic as well and idle times people forgot about all these things are uneducated about a gdi motor. Hyundai also should have added crucial services like gdi cleanings in their service book but let’s be honest no one will listen. Blame the epa also.
@@secondsystems3479 well see the thing is the oil catch can has to be installed before any oil burning issues arise so the earlier it’s installed on the better because it drastically slows and prevents any serious carbon buildup. Once you have oil burning issues and the piston rings are compromised their no going back. They have engine oil flushes but they really don’t work it may slow the oil burning but won’t fix it. So in your case the problem is most likely far gone if it’s compromised the catylic as well.
When i cold start my tuscan i can feel feeback vibrations for about 10 second then it stops. Is this a normal gdi thing or should i be worried. 2018 tuscon 1.6 gdi
Yes, yours is in the recall as well. You have to maintain the oil intervals and Hyundai will send you notices about what they want you to do as far as recalls etc. you can call them up so this way if it does happen to your vehicle you would of done what they told you and will be covered for engine replacement.
I bought brand new a 2014 Hyundai veloster reflex. The engine "grenaded" (catastrophically exploded) around 80k miles. I had the car maintained religiously at the dealership. After 3 weeks Hyundai decided they would foot the bill and pay for the replacement. Im guessing they went over the vehicle with a magnifying glass to check for any non dealership applied parts or mods. My car sat for almost 4 months at the dealership before they got the new engine installed. They did give me a loaner to drive so I wasn't without a vehicle. I feel fortunate hearing what others have dealt with trying to get engines replaced. 😮
If that was the case they wouldn't last. 70000 miles. I think there is something definitely wrong with the rod bearings or crank. But not sure if it is just that.
Great explanation sir! Do you know if the problem can be repaired? I have a Hyundai Tucson 2016, that’s consuming way too much oil (no leakage) and I’m wondering if I need to buy newer engine. Your thoughts are greatly appreciated!
These engines are under a massive recall and you may be able to get the engine replaced for free. However Hyundai wants you to follow all updates before making a claim.
Are these the naturally aspirated engines. Are these a particular year? And will a frequent oil change help keep it clean enough to make it last longer?
Both turbos too. There is a list of models and years on Hyundais recall website where you can input your vin number to see if yours is on the list. If yours is, then no, no matter what you do it will fail. I have a video on Free Hyundai engine, you should check it out
My 2017 Kia Sorento just had the 2.4L engine fail at 66k miles with my very OCD service history and it seemed to have failed earlier than ones that don't have the greatest oil change history. So @Motorcarnut is right, it doesn't matter what you do, they are all ticking timebombs.
For all of you guys who think that this is the main problem, let me tell you that maybe could be BUT the real problem is the type of oil all of you are using. All of you are probably using the 0w20 or 5w20 because the "the cap says" or "the manufacturer says" and is not wrong but only if you live in a cold weather place ( 32F or less to 68F). All of the people getting blown engines are living in places with temperatures like Florida and prove me wrong if that the case. If you're living in hot temperatures you CAN'T USE THOSE VISCOSITIES!!! You must use at lease a 0w30 and forward.
Update: I did my resources and found that: 1. This person live in Tennessee. 2. Temperatures in Tennessee are 32F to 91F throughout the year, confirming what I'm saying. (If the owner of the video is reading me please confirm oil type, and since when that engine was knocking it self. Ty)
If hyundai buy these parts from another manufacturer then its really not there fault they should then look for a more legit and reliable company that don’t do these mistakes and have a better quality control on the parts made
our 2014 kia Sorento engine locked up around 120,000 miles no knock no warning just got back from dealer complete new engine no chatge exactly what caused ours to lock up
I believe its a bad design, fail to clean out the motor during manufacturing sound crazy. From 2011 - present, nobody had the sense to clean out thr debris.
I’ll never buy a KIA after both my daughters GDI engines failing. They might be cheaper vehicles, but as my friend likes to say, pay now or pay later. Spend the extra money and buy a Toyota
Well, I don't know about other "mechanics" but I can fix any vehicle, and teach people how to fix their own or at least know whats going on with their's so they are informed.
I have a 2013 hyundai sonata and my oil pressure is low due to my bearings being worn out. Do you think its worth to rebuild the engine doing it yourself ( taking the engine out rebuild it and put it back in)
@@Motorcarnut The car has around 200000km (124000miles) and i think the previous owner didnt take care of this car very good. Bought it when it had 170000km and just recently this oil problem started happening
@bashaarathrabbi8631 You may qualify for a free engine. I have many videos on those engines and their failures. m.ua-cam.com/video/RALT5SCuTCk/v-deo.html
@mhamed92adham yes, but you have to be persistent and make sure whatever Kia or Hyundai sent you in the mail to fix on your vehicle, if any you completed
People don’t realize that besides the battery that can be more than a gas engine these cars have electric motors sometimes up to four that when they fail they can be the biggest money pits ever to hit the road. If it were up to me I’d fix electric vehicles because they are more simple but way more expensive than gas vehicles
It's certain engines in certain years. You would have to look that up, I don't want to say a number and it's not accurate because the ones I fix are the bad ones but do get more good than bad if that helps.
@@Motorcarnut I guess it's the quality of manufacturing and quality of testing that make a quality car. I just stay away from Korean cars to be in the safe side. I just got a hairline crack of a 2018 Mazda cx5 at 53k miles just out of power train paid out of pocket.
@@Motorcarnut so I heard, but quality assurance plays important role. My Japanese QA team of my previous company always found more bugs than our US QA team.
They had the class action lawsuit. Is it because of this? My moms car broke down (2013 Hyundia Tucson 2.0) and it’s not covered under the class action lawsuit. Isn’t it the same engine?!?!?
Yes it is. You have to be very diligent with them and there are some requirements you should have on the record with the dealership such as having the updated knock sensors installed etc. when they sent you information in the mail.
@@Motorcarnutunfortunately this car is not in the list of affected cars even though you’re saying it’s the same engine. Class action is only for 2014+ with the 2.0
@erik0588 Here is the list. I cannot believe your vehicle is not included because of one year even though I fixed many 2013’s with the Exact same problem. 2010-2012 Hyundai Santa Fe vehicles with a Theta II 2.4-liter MPI engine; 2011-2015 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid vehicles with a Theta II 2.4-liter MPI Hybrid engine; 2016-2019 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid/Plug-In vehicles with a Nu 2.0 GDI Hybrid engine; 2010-2013 Hyundai Tucson vehicles with a Theta II 2.4-liter MPI engine; 2014-2021 Hyundai Tucson vehicles with a Nu 2.0 GDI engine; 2014 Hyundai Elantra Coupe vehicles with a Nu 2.0 GDI engine; 2014-2016 Hyundai Elantra vehicles with a Nu 2.0 GDI engine; 2014-2020 Hyundai Elantra GT vehicles with a Nu 2.0 GDI engine; 2012-2017 Hyundai Veloster vehicles with a Gamma 1.6-liter GDI engine; 2010-2013 Kia Forte vehicles with a Theta II 2.4-liter MPI engine; 2010-2013 Kia Forte Koup vehicles with a Theta II 2.4-liter MPI engine; 2014-2018 Kia Forte vehicles with a Nu 2.0 GDI engine; 2011-2016 Kia Optima Hybrid vehicles with a Theta II 2.4-liter MPI Hybrid engine; 2017-2020 Kia Optima Hybrid/Plug-In vehicles with a Nu 2.0 GDI Hybrid engine; 2011-2013 Kia Sorento vehicles with a Theta II 2.4-liter MPI engine; 2012-2016 Kia Soul vehicles with a Gamma 1.6-liter GDI engine; 2014-2019 Kia Soul vehicles with a Nu 2.0 GDI engine; and 2011-2013 Kia Sportage vehicles with a Theta II 2.4-liter MPI engine.
Yes and no. Keeping up on all your oil changes and any recalls Hyundai sends you is best but unfortunately there was a manufacturing issue on select engines that will fail but if like I just said, if you did your part they will replace the engine for free.
@@Motorcarnut thank you, need to see what my friends 2018 Kia engine is now....on her Sportage she bought used. It has 57k miles maybe,.and she does change oil each 5k with fully synthetic oil🙏. Do you think it's best to use Kias own coolant brand btw? Subed👍
I have a 2017 Tucson 2.0L GDI. It’s an NU engine made in Korea and I still got the notice from Hyundai Corp that my car is on “the list”. Thought I was safe, but guess not. Less than 30,000 miles 😢, but ain’t gotta tell me twice! I’m not about to get a seized engine in the middle of the freeway. So hoping to trade it in very soon!
@@x0xCRUSHERx0x call Hyundai/kia and make sure you have the knock sensor software update done. They can deny you a new engine if you do not have the software update. Once you have the software update done if it applies to your car, just make sure you change your oil on time and check your oil level. If it fails and you're low on oil they can also deny you're claim.
Just avoid any Kia/Hyundai tbh. They claimed to fix the issue but some of the 2020+ cars with the 2.0 such as the soul, seltos, konas, venue and others are still failing. They tried hiding their issues until an engineer told NHTSA that they were aware of the issues for years. Pretty shady stuff from them.
@@Motorcarnut I have a 2021 forte with the 2.0 multiport fuel injection, no gdi, no turbo, manual transmission. It's been flawless. Thank you for your reply!
@Objective 704 thanks! I appreciate it. I figured that out and we have the 2.0 MPI. We just bought another kia forte yesterday with 5,000 miles. So now we have 2 2021 kia forte with the manual transmission and 2.0 MPI engines. They are butter smooth! we flew out to elgin Illinois to pick it up. Saved 4k doing that. we like them alot. We just use them back and forth to work and have other vehicles for play.
Amazing how every mechanic knows about this but our representatives won’t fight for us 😅😅
What representatives might that be?
The US is business friendly and doesn't give a crap about consumers. Even when the US demanded Hyundai extend the warranty on the 2.4 the control still was in the hands of Hyundai Co troll g who qualifies for warranty repairs
That's clearly an Error it Had from the First day. Customers should be able to Claim warranty.
I agree!
They're replacing engines with this issue under warranty.
They do, is a lifetime warranty as long as you got all the recalls done to it before it blows up and it gotta be clean title😅
Nope, its 12
Years, or 120k. @@edstacks5254
They deny you if you don’t have all the maintenance records
Both of my daughters KiA GDI engines failed and KiA will not fix them. Such a bad design
It’s not the design it’s the manufacturing process, I have videos on explaining this. If you followed Hyundai’s maintenance schedule and any recalls or updates you should be covered. If you ran the car low on oil or neglected it then of course they won’t honor an engine replacement
But yet it’s the customers fault when they take the car for service.
They want you to follow certain procedures and if you did they will replace the engine for free. Not a bad deal.
As someone who worked in Service at Kia, all Kia wants is oil change records to confirm you were using the proper oil/filter, and that you did oil changes in a acceptable amount of time.
If you meet those requirements, free engine
@@Motorcarnut false information. Plenty of people who did follow it and still didn’t get it replaced.
Usually cylinder 3 is the culprit
Actually, for us it’s mostly number one cylinder.
Thanks bro, i got a new Hyundai engine
Awesome! Thanks for the feedback!
With all the reviews and reports of how the failures are happening, I’m hoping Kia has corrected the problem. I have a 2023, and have every intention of reaching 100K if not more, I do a lot of highway miles and time will tell. Anticipating the Best, loving my X-Pro.
They should have, but only time will tell.
You explained well that the issue with these particular engines isn't the fault of the Hyundai/Kia engineers. It's that they were not deburred properly at the factory during manufacturing. Without that issue, they are actually quite a dependable and long-lasting engine. The few people who are lucky to not have this problem can get 200k+ miles out of them with proper care.
I agree. They can be just as reliable as the Japanese competitors
Mines just failed this morning. 6k to fix
@@CWTGD It should be covered under the warranty.
Yes that is correct!
Hyundai/Kia engineers never designed these engines, as they were hand-me-down designs, purchased from Toyota.
These were production line issues.
But these cars are plagued with quality issues and recalls.
And not that many people get to 200K miles with these cars without major problems along the way...
Friends don't let friends purchase Kia and Hyundai
I don't favor any vehicles, they all break or have bad apples. Hyundai makes a good vehicle just like any others.
@@MotorcarnutI won't mess with any Korean car I'm driving a 91 Ford with 340,000 miles that burns no oil 300 inline 6 I do take care of it
@gdmofo that’s the key, taking care of it!
Thank you for this video. I have a 15 Santa Fe and it has a failing engine. Glad to know what’s failing. Keep up the good content. New subscriber 🤚
Thanks for watching and subscribing! Much appreciated!
I've been lucky, i have that lifetime engine/trans replacement buy my car is still running fine even after 350,000+ miles. It's been taken to a dealership for every oil change and routine maintenance schedule since day one.
You got a good one and know how the take care of it! Not all of them fail.
You shoul have said that in your video, it does imply that they all will fail...@Motorcarnut
You have to use some common sense as well. How can they all fail?
Best explanation ever I just experienced this on a 2014 Hyundai Accent w 100k mi
Sorry you had to experience that. Thank you for the feedback though!
Have a 14 sportage that I fear something like this happened. About to tear it apart
@@Motorcarnut I took the engine apart and found shavings in the pan and the crank/rod bearing was history. This vehicle was serviced accordingly. Unfortunately, I had to replace the engine head/block with one from my local junk yard, but it’s good to go now. It wasn’t worth rebuilding it since I could get a junkyard one for 800
For $800? Yes that’s the way to go. BMW sets the oil clearances too tight ( .001) and they blow the cranks.
@gofigure84 unfortunately it can be
my accent 2014 1.6L at 140K #3 rod bearing spun , cap bolt broke , piston hit the head and shattered. i put a used crank and piston used a can lid with JB weld to cover hole in bottom of housing and it is running . i have the old crank and i am going to check that oil passage
,,,,,,,,,
That engine wasn’t effected in the recall but could of blown because of oil starvation
I heard from Kia in 2014 that metal shavings hadn’t been removed before building the engine. So, why did this continue for the rest of the decade? Sounds suspicious.
Good question
Why in the world is this car company getting away with not covering these problems. I would never by any of there products.
They do cover the engine replacement
Government and lawyers
Had two motors replaced on my 2012 POS sonata
The problem is if the dealership replaces it they use the old new stock with the same manufacturing problems. I rebuild the old engine with new crankshaft that doesn’t have those problems and then they will last for couple hundred thousand miles
Did they pay for both replacements? I also have a 2012. I got a replacement at around 100k miles. Currently have 220k roughly.
IIRC it was the Theta II GDI engines that gave the most issues! The later ones are actually reliable wif proper maintenance?
True the bulk were Theta but still see others popping up
How about 2021 Sernto
What a joke so many automakers designing engines to break
I know, it’s all about making more money for them at any cost
I HAVE A 2020 KIA AND ITS NOT COVERED UNDER THIS CAMPAIGN TO REPLACE ENGINES. iM SECOND OWNER STILL MAKING PAYMERNTS AND HAVE ABOUT 90000 MILES . IM FUCKED
This is so bad, I'm sorry to hear that. Even 4 years old? Did you try calling corporate Hyundai? Not the dealership.
Question good sir. I’m looking at one in Australia, second hand for around 153,000kms, right around when these engines failed. If it does will Kia replace the engine because the car is no longer under the 10 year manufacturer warranty period.
They should but find out first because they hate replacing them and it could be a fight.
my 2009 hyundai got its oil and coolant mixed around 153000 kms too
If this is so well known, how come Kia hasn’t fixed it or have they for 2019 & newer engines. My daughter is on her 3rd Kia, only due to prior accidents that were NOT her fault, they all ran & currently run great. He’s on top of her oil changes too. I think she’s at 30K mikes now. I just got a 2023 Sportage. It’s a 2.5L GDI engine. I love my car.
Ask Kia
What are you talking about? They had a $3 billion lawsuit against them for manufacture errors. You can be on top of your oil changes and other maintenance all you want. With that lawsuit people are getting reimbursed for engine problems that they fixed with their own money as well as towing. Kia/hyundai are replacing engines as long as they find fault in the claim put in by your local dealerships service department. I am currently getting mine replaced for free as I type this. They also extended warranties to 150k miles/15 years.
@Pnellyvlogs I made a video not a short about this problem and how to get a free engine.
@@Motorcarnut I was responding to the commenter
@Pnellyvlogs my bad
What about the v6 version 2018 ?
They are pretty reliable.
Out here we get the Korean built Hyundai and Kia cars, they are more reliable than just about anything else on the road. Never see these kind of poor manufacturing issues with them, must be the one built outside of Korea that have problems.
That is very interesting, it's probably just the US manufacturing plants that messed up.
Yeah, probably the Alabama plant where most of the kias come from
😂
In wich state are you living my friend?
My brother bought a 2016 Hyundai Santa Fe years ago, and mileage is 150k. The mechanic replaced parts and that but couldn't fix it. He has no clue where the problems are, and the dealer says the engine is gone. The bill was $7,000+. The insurance coverage was $3,000. This is fraud by the manufacturer making money.
There was too many hands on this vehicle to give you a clear answer
Is there a way to prevent or diagnose this before it happens? Something like looking at the engine for possible damage, or the oil pan for debris. I have 2016 Forte 2.0 MPI with 100,000 Km, it has been smooth and without oil consumption, there's only like a "knocking" sound that happens sometimes for ~1s when turning on the engine, but only when it has been warmed up and turned off for a few minutes. If it is cold the sound is never there! Strange, but I'm kind of worried.
If I were you, I’d make sure you follow Kia’s updates and after that bring the car in because it’s happening already with your car and they should replace the engine. When the car is cold engine oil is thicker that’s why you don’t hear it when cold.
I'd first
- install an oil catch can. There's a great install video on YT. Easy. $30 +/- $5.
- Run Ats 505 CRO (oil system cleaner) and ats 505 cfo (fuel system cleaner). Order from their website. At least every other oil change. READ DIRECTIONS. It's simple to do. The fuel cleaner you just pour into your gas tank. This will ensure proper injection of fuel . The other one, you pour into your engine and rev during idle for a period of time. $60 for both - expensive for a cleaner, but I'd pay $200 for what it does..
Other maintenance items:
- Use Premium gasoline every so often.
- Check your PCV valve every so often to make sure it's not clogged up from the ATS cleaning you did.
Essentially what you are doing here is cleaning the gunk out the oil valves that is shown in this video and anywhere else inside the crankcase. Pressure is also an enemy here. You want to: keep the oil level normal as much as possible, keep it clean as much as possible, reduce pressure in the crankcase by removing excess gunk taking up square footage (square inches) - less space = more pressure. This will ensure, or help to ensure, no oil leaks from gaskets.
When I did the ATS cleaning myself, with the CRO, I noticed metallic coloration in the oil. This is the metal burs from the faulty de-burring process. They are being removed. It was darker as well. Car runs better now than it did when I bought it in '19 with 30k. RPMs rock steady at 720 at idle, gets up and goes! ,5 years and 28,000 miles later, it runs smooth as butter after all the maintenance items.
It's a little bit of a pain if you hate working on cars, but for me, I sort of enjoy doing these things. Anyways, update me on how it goes or shoot me a question. These are great cars besides this flaw, incredibly important to be proactive.
Good luck!
Also, remember to empty the oil catch can every so often. Start off every other day, then once/week and then from there every other week. Then, maybe once a month tops depending on your catch can. You don't want this stuff overflowing back into your engine 😬
I used to have to top off the oil about half a quart in a month (for me, about 500 miles). Now, it doesn't burn a drop.
My wife has a 2019 Tucson. Catalytic converter is starting to go. Maybe a sign of oil burning too.. I’ve always wondered how these engines failed. Thank you for simplifying it.
Sure, no problem!
It’s not always by this the ones that fail and don’t have this problem is from lack of oil. These motors are gdi they will carbon up your motor and lock up the piston rings /dirty intake valves to a point where you start burning oil from the rings being compromised probably why your 2019 catylic is about to go. Oil catch can is what a gdi motor needs. We have 2020 Tucson 61k miles burns zero oil, oil catch can installed since new and oil changed every 4K miles diy that way I am keep an eye on things, not 5k or beyond a lot times it needs changed way before 5K especially because of fuel dilution and the gdi motor is rough on oil with elevated compression. Florida is also hot so 5k is going to cut it with traffic as well and idle times people forgot about all these things are uneducated about a gdi motor. Hyundai also should have added crucial services like gdi cleanings in their service book but let’s be honest no one will listen. Blame the epa also.
@@henrytom5824 is that the only fix for it? Cause ours is throwing a catalytic converter code now and I think thats a sign its burning oil.
@@secondsystems3479 well see the thing is the oil catch can has to be installed before any oil burning issues arise so the earlier it’s installed on the better because it drastically slows and prevents any serious carbon buildup. Once you have oil burning issues and the piston rings are compromised their no going back. They have engine oil flushes but they really don’t work it may slow the oil burning but won’t fix it. So in your case the problem is most likely far gone if it’s compromised the catylic as well.
When i cold start my tuscan i can feel feeback vibrations for about 10 second then it stops. Is this a normal gdi thing or should i be worried.
2018 tuscon 1.6 gdi
I’m not sure what you’re feeling so I would get it checked out.
Which engine is this?
Many check online for all the information,
I have a 2013 Hyundai Veloster non-turbo with GDI engine. Am I in danger too?
If so, is there a way to improve on the engine to avoid the issue?
Yes, yours is in the recall as well. You have to maintain the oil intervals and Hyundai will send you notices about what they want you to do as far as recalls etc. you can call them up so this way if it does happen to your vehicle you would of done what they told you and will be covered for engine replacement.
I bought brand new a 2014 Hyundai veloster reflex. The engine "grenaded" (catastrophically exploded) around 80k miles. I had the car maintained religiously at the dealership. After 3 weeks Hyundai decided they would foot the bill and pay for the replacement. Im guessing they went over the vehicle with a magnifying glass to check for any non dealership applied parts or mods. My car sat for almost 4 months at the dealership before they got the new engine installed. They did give me a loaner to drive so I wasn't without a vehicle. I feel fortunate hearing what others have dealt with trying to get engines replaced. 😮
@@CaptainHowdy420
Ouch!! 😣
@CaptainHowdy420 It’s supposed to be an easy assessment but they try their hardest not to cover the cost.
What do you have to do to fix that?
If you’re not eligible for a new engine it would have to be rebuilt or replaced.
I have a 2013 Tucson 2.4L g4ke and it gas 90k miles on it and I wanted to get a new oil pump for it
So it doesn't help anything?
No, engine has to be rebuilt with new crankshaft
Interesting video, I have a 2012 Santa Fe V6 I think I’m safe cuz it’s not a GDI
Yes you’re correct
If that was the case they wouldn't last. 70000 miles. I think there is something definitely wrong with the rod bearings or crank. But not sure if it is just that.
I’m not asking, I’m teaching. I have a video on exactly how they fail. If you want to learn
I'm having that problem now 2016 Hyundai Tucson and my engine is done for it's at the Hyundai dealership service now
Sorry to hear, hopefully they will replace engine free of charge
should have bought a Toyota period
You think they don’t have their own set of problems? No manufacturer is immune.
Sure, but some manufacturers make overall higher quality crap than others, and it seems toyota makes higher quality cars than a kia.
@world_reborn1990 depends on what parts you talking about.
Great explanation sir!
Do you know if the problem can be repaired? I have a Hyundai Tucson 2016, that’s consuming way too much oil (no leakage) and I’m wondering if I need to buy newer engine. Your thoughts are greatly appreciated!
These engines are under a massive recall and you may be able to get the engine replaced for free. However Hyundai wants you to follow all updates before making a claim.
@@Motorcarnut got it thank you!
No problem!
what engines got recalled??what about year?@@Motorcarnut
Another problem with the engines is that they have a history of burning oil also.
Correct
Are these the naturally aspirated engines. Are these a particular year? And will a frequent oil change help keep it clean enough to make it last longer?
Both turbos too. There is a list of models and years on Hyundais recall website where you can input your vin number to see if yours is on the list. If yours is, then no, no matter what you do it will fail. I have a video on Free Hyundai engine, you should check it out
My 2017 Kia Sorento just had the 2.4L engine fail at 66k miles with my very OCD service history and it seemed to have failed earlier than ones that don't have the greatest oil change history. So @Motorcarnut is right, it doesn't matter what you do, they are all ticking timebombs.
@@1hondaluver
Both of my daughters failed. My one daughter kept up with the oil changes and it still failed. They are destined to fail
For all of you guys who think that this is the main problem, let me tell you that maybe could be BUT the real problem is the type of oil all of you are using. All of you are probably using the 0w20 or 5w20 because the "the cap says" or "the manufacturer says" and is not wrong but only if you live in a cold weather place ( 32F or less to 68F). All of the people getting blown engines are living in places with temperatures like Florida and prove me wrong if that the case. If you're living in hot temperatures you CAN'T USE THOSE VISCOSITIES!!! You must use at lease a 0w30 and forward.
Update: I did my resources and found that: 1. This person live in Tennessee. 2. Temperatures in Tennessee are 32F to 91F throughout the year, confirming what I'm saying. (If the owner of the video is reading me please confirm oil type, and since when that engine was knocking it self. Ty)
What I said in the video is exactly why they blow, using a slightly different oil viscosity means nothing and would not cause this
What person are you talking about??
If hyundai buy these parts from another manufacturer then its really not there fault they should then look for a more legit and reliable company that don’t do these mistakes and have a better quality control on the parts made
Very true but all these companies are driven by greed so they all take chances.
Usually the cranks are cast blanks then machined by Hyundai themselves to spec.
@jonf2009 that’s where the fault lies.
We had one with the engine seized up same motor 😮?
There is a class action suit on these engines
So the best thing to do when you bought it new is drain the oil, Drop the oil pan and clean then new oil?
Yes that will help dramatically, if you fine metal fillings contact Hyundai at once.
I've bought 5 new kias since 2016 not one issue of any kind
They are great cars, except for this problem
2016 Kia Forte 159,000 miles rn
You probably have a good one, don’t worry
our 2014 kia Sorento engine locked up around 120,000 miles no knock no warning just got back from dealer complete new engine no chatge exactly what caused ours to lock up
Thank you for the feedback, much appreciated!
I think 2 have Hyundai group problems 1 cleaning after processing 2 weak alloys
I’m not sure about that.
I believe its a bad design, fail to clean out the motor during manufacturing sound crazy. From 2011 - present, nobody had the sense to clean out thr debris.
I know, this is a major problem for them.
@@Motorcarnut its a major problem for the owners. People buy this brand because they are a little cheaper.
@MyLifeMyMoneyMedia Very true
I’ll never buy a KIA after both my daughters GDI engines failing. They might be cheaper vehicles, but as my friend likes to say, pay now or pay later. Spend the extra money and buy a Toyota
Why do you even touch it.. i hear mechanics wont touch these
Well, I don't know about other "mechanics" but I can fix any vehicle, and teach people how to fix their own or at least know whats going on with their's so they are informed.
Got 266000 on mine a 14 forte
1, not all vehicles are effected, 2 you probably take care of your vehicle.
I have a 2013 hyundai sonata and my oil pressure is low due to my bearings being worn out. Do you think its worth to rebuild the engine doing it yourself ( taking the engine out rebuild it and put it back in)
Well it depends on a lot of factors, like condition of vehicle overall, mileage value etc. But if all make sense, I would and do rebuild.
@@Motorcarnut The car has around 200000km (124000miles) and i think the previous owner didnt take care of this car very good. Bought it when it had 170000km and just recently this oil problem started happening
@bashaarathrabbi8631 You may qualify for a free engine. I have many videos on those engines and their failures.
m.ua-cam.com/video/RALT5SCuTCk/v-deo.html
@@MotorcarnutI have the same issue on 2015 Kia Optima 2.4 with 54000 miles only on it, Do you think I’ll be qualified for new engine from the dealer?
@mhamed92adham yes, but you have to be persistent and make sure whatever Kia or Hyundai sent you in the mail to fix on your vehicle, if any you completed
Trying to buy a Tesla model 3
People don’t realize that besides the battery that can be more than a gas engine these cars have electric motors sometimes up to four that when they fail they can be the biggest money pits ever to hit the road. If it were up to me I’d fix electric vehicles because they are more simple but way more expensive than gas vehicles
What's the percentage of cars will have this issue since they seem to sell well?
It's certain engines in certain years. You would have to look that up, I don't want to say a number and it's not accurate because the ones I fix are the bad ones but do get more good than bad if that helps.
@@Motorcarnut I guess it's the quality of manufacturing and quality of testing that make a quality car. I just stay away from Korean cars to be in the safe side. I just got a hairline crack of a 2018 Mazda cx5 at 53k miles just out of power train paid out of pocket.
@simpleman5541 nowadays all manufacturers are cutting corners look at brand new Toyota Tundras brand new off assembly line with bad crankshafts
@@Motorcarnut so I heard, but quality assurance plays important role. My Japanese QA team of my previous company always found more bugs than our US QA team.
They had the class action lawsuit. Is it because of this? My moms car broke down (2013 Hyundia Tucson 2.0) and it’s not covered under the class action lawsuit. Isn’t it the same engine?!?!?
Yes it is. You have to be very diligent with them and there are some requirements you should have on the record with the dealership such as having the updated knock sensors installed etc. when they sent you information in the mail.
@@Motorcarnutunfortunately this car is not in the list of affected cars even though you’re saying it’s the same engine. Class action is only for 2014+ with the 2.0
@erik0588 Here is the list. I cannot believe your vehicle is not included because of one year even though I fixed many 2013’s with the Exact same problem.
2010-2012 Hyundai Santa Fe vehicles with a Theta II 2.4-liter MPI engine;
2011-2015 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid vehicles with a Theta II 2.4-liter MPI Hybrid engine;
2016-2019 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid/Plug-In vehicles with a Nu 2.0 GDI Hybrid engine;
2010-2013 Hyundai Tucson vehicles with a Theta II 2.4-liter MPI engine;
2014-2021 Hyundai Tucson vehicles with a Nu 2.0 GDI engine;
2014 Hyundai Elantra Coupe vehicles with a Nu 2.0 GDI engine;
2014-2016 Hyundai Elantra vehicles with a Nu 2.0 GDI engine;
2014-2020 Hyundai Elantra GT vehicles with a Nu 2.0 GDI engine;
2012-2017 Hyundai Veloster vehicles with a Gamma 1.6-liter GDI engine;
2010-2013 Kia Forte vehicles with a Theta II 2.4-liter MPI engine;
2010-2013 Kia Forte Koup vehicles with a Theta II 2.4-liter MPI engine;
2014-2018 Kia Forte vehicles with a Nu 2.0 GDI engine;
2011-2016 Kia Optima Hybrid vehicles with a Theta II 2.4-liter MPI Hybrid engine;
2017-2020 Kia Optima Hybrid/Plug-In vehicles with a Nu 2.0 GDI Hybrid engine;
2011-2013 Kia Sorento vehicles with a Theta II 2.4-liter MPI engine;
2012-2016 Kia Soul vehicles with a Gamma 1.6-liter GDI engine;
2014-2019 Kia Soul vehicles with a Nu 2.0 GDI engine; and
2011-2013 Kia Sportage vehicles with a Theta II 2.4-liter MPI engine.
1.4 MPI 2019, any update??im from Europe..
European vehicle are not effected this is a USA manufacturing problem.
@@Motorcarnut people say eu cars affected too... I dont know...
I don't believe your particular engine, I wouldn't worry
The correct answer is engineering and quality control.
Quality control for sure on this one.
Could you prevent this?
Yes and no. Keeping up on all your oil changes and any recalls Hyundai sends you is best but unfortunately there was a manufacturing issue on select engines that will fail but if like I just said, if you did your part they will replace the engine for free.
My SORENTO 2013 3.5 L just seized on me I think I found the reason
Unfortunately
Good tell in few words...yep u got it.👍
Thank you 🙂
@@Motorcarnut thank you, need to see what my friends 2018 Kia engine is now....on her Sportage she bought used. It has 57k miles maybe,.and she does change oil each 5k with fully synthetic oil🙏. Do you think it's best to use Kias own coolant brand btw? Subed👍
It’s best but you don’t have to use Kia coolant. Thank you for the sub much appreciated!
@@Motorcarnut
Thanks aĺot!
@ByDesign333 no problem
Not on my 2018 Kappa engine
Probably not manufactured in the USA
Cheap cars that have always been cheap heaps and now they're being marketed like Cadillacs
It’s the use of cheaper parts to save money ending up costing them more in the long run
Arno four different people with bad Hyundai or kia engines and the company will not honor their 100,000 mi warranty
Got to be reasons why. If they did exactly what they were supposed to do they should.
What exactly engine model ??
You have to look them up, list is extensive 2.4 2.0 etc. Many years and models.
@@Motorcarnut Thanks .. .I am looking to get a Kia Stinger with a 2.2 Disle engine.. Not really sure about this decision.
@robertrydlewski9538 you should be fine with that engine.
I have a 2017 Tucson 2.0L GDI. It’s an NU engine made in Korea and I still got the notice from Hyundai Corp that my car is on “the list”. Thought I was safe, but guess not. Less than 30,000 miles 😢, but ain’t gotta tell me twice! I’m not about to get a seized engine in the middle of the freeway. So hoping to trade it in very soon!
@tw5829 better safe than sorry but I never seen a made in Korea one with this problem.
What years should i avoid?
2.4-liter and 2.0-liter Theta II GDI 2011-2019
@Motorcarnut when does the engine give up the ghost, even when the P.M.s are done by the book? My '18 2.0 has 102,000 on it.
At anytime unfortunately. Make sure you’re up to date with whatever Hyundai wants you to do as far as recalls tsb’s etc. keep records as well.
@@x0xCRUSHERx0x call Hyundai/kia and make sure you have the knock sensor software update done. They can deny you a new engine if you do not have the software update. Once you have the software update done if it applies to your car, just make sure you change your oil on time and check your oil level. If it fails and you're low on oil they can also deny you're claim.
Just avoid any Kia/Hyundai tbh. They claimed to fix the issue but some of the 2020+ cars with the 2.0 such as the soul, seltos, konas, venue and others are still failing. They tried hiding their issues until an engineer told NHTSA that they were aware of the issues for years. Pretty shady stuff from them.
What engines does this happen on?
2011 up 2.0 2.4 engines pretty much across the Hyundai and Kia line
@@Motorcarnut I have a 2021 forte with the 2.0 multiport fuel injection, no gdi, no turbo, manual transmission. It's been flawless. Thank you for your reply!
Theta II 2.0L 2.4L engines, if you want the specific name of the engine.
@Objective 704 thanks! I appreciate it. I figured that out and we have the 2.0 MPI. We just bought another kia forte yesterday with 5,000 miles. So now we have 2 2021 kia forte with the manual transmission and 2.0 MPI engines. They are butter smooth! we flew out to elgin Illinois to pick it up. Saved 4k doing that. we like them alot. We just use them back and forth to work and have other vehicles for play.
the 1.6 gdi in the soul and accent has problems too, my lifters and i have rod knock in my car
•do not buy Kia•
That's not true, you can say that about any manufacture because they all have problems
I've seen some Korean cars with over 200k miles in my Facebook group
@brokeboy87 sure it’s not all them just some engines
You're better off buying a used Japanese car with 200,000 miles than these Korean buckets brand new.
Japanese vehicles have just as many problems as any vehicle. They’re all billion dollar companies looking to save pennies.
@@Motorcarnut laughing at your comment in a healthy 361,000 mile Tacoma.
I have a Ford and Jeep with 550k on each what’s your point?
pls indicate which version engine it is.
2010 up with 2.4 or 2.0 turbo engines in all Hyundai and Kia vehicles
trash engine
Crap
Just like any manufacturer they have problems. I’m working on a series of problems with Honda at the moment, stay tuned!
It just happened to me. Knocking sound and it went out bad. Cover by kia tho!!🤌🏻
Great!, I made a video on how Hyundai covers the engine replacement because of a defect in manufacturing.