Your vids are jam packed with great info. No fluff, no stupid music, just you, an old engine, a relative's t-shirt, and your wife's toothbrush. I appreciate ya.
Just did GDI carbon build up cleaning on my 2015 Kia optima SXL, she still going strong Also did an engine flush using multiple oils and car runs great now, I feel KIA engines can still last with a bit more TLC than your usual car
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Yeah the person who did this video is extremely intelligent, I couldn't stop thinking about that as I was watching this. I also question how he was able to keep fast forwarding and then slowing down again at the exact times, to save viewers time.
I have and still drive my 2003 Kia Sedona..... 282,549 miles....leaks a small amount of oil....still running great and strong.....she is my beater with a heater for winter. Has been a GREAT van for 18 years.
That is good to know. Your only second person I heard this. When I was shopping for a minivan at a dealership, someone told me the same thing about their very old Kia Sedona. They literally told me the Sedona will not die lol 😂
@@rmwarriors16 We have had 4. A 2008, a 2012, a 2017 and a 2016. The 2008 and 2012 were great, The 2017 seemed as good, but some kid T boned it at 80K. Bought a 2016 that supposedly had 55K pn it, had more issues with it than the other 3 combined and then some. I actually think it had the miles rolled back on it - it just seemed to have to much wear on the seats and pedals for a vehicle with only 55K on it. But it was the middle of Covid and there wasn't many choices. Traded it at 85K miles.
Yep. Kia minivans (I have a 2009) were built on a truck chassis with 6-lug wheels and suspension parts twice as tough as those on Chrysler/Dodge vans. They had a 3.8L v6 with a lot of grunt and better gas-mileage. Don't buy any Kia made after this generation ended.
I have a 2023 K5, no oil being used at all. nothing has broken at all so far. However I change the oil myself at 5k miles, use top tier gas. It obvious that motor was neglected
2012 Kia Soul base model, 1.6 L automatic with 239, 560 miles on the clock as of today. The key is oil changes every three to four thousand miles. It burn about 1/4 of a quart between oil changes. Oh, never cleaned the valves on this direct injection engine. Still runs like a Swiss watch. The only item that needed replacement was the alternator. All other items were maintenance items. The trans is service every 30,000 miles and the cooling system flushed every two years. The front pads and rotors replaced at about every 30/35 thousand miles and the rears at 50 thousand.
Do you still have it? How is it so far? Have the same model but with 87000 miles. I figure if I keep up with maintenance and fix and protect from rust it could go on for another 7-8 years.
Respect! In every aspect! I have never seen a video in which someone explains an engine and its design so quickly. Everything is explained in an absolutely comprehensible and understandable way. Even the camera is always perfectly positioned. At first, I thought: wow, he's talking really fast, he has an American dialect and now there's probably some technical jargon that you don't understand as a German hobby mechanic. But far from it! Perfect video! Thanks for that!
Most people don’t, but it’s a problem that you have to baby a Kia when the whole purpose is to have a cheap car you can keep driving until it falls apart
@@robertt9342 no manufacturer is perfect and zero service can kill any machine before the due date but apart from a very few exceptions, the most recent being 2007-2010 2.4 4cyl, Toyota are so much better built than all other cars, that if cars were people, Toyotas would be Terminators. Toyota are a huge corporation and therefore not worthy of any consumers love or trust BUT they got to be number 1 by building their cars better than everyone else.
This is the best, most informative video for ANY Gamma engine owner. This video alone taught me more about my engine than I learned over a years worth of watching other stuff. You’re badass my dude!
I had a Gamma 1.6T and beat the guts out of it for 5 years 120k miles, no issues. Currently have 190k on my Theta II, it burns a quart every 5k miles but no other issues. Hyundai products have treated me well.
@@karlhungus545 you obviously have no clue what your talking about, Kia’s and Hyundais are the exact same price if not more money and Honda has been making bullet proof v6s ( j series) for 30 years. Name one well built engine Korea makes, the answer is none. Hondas most problematic engines are light years ahead of the best Hyundai/ Kia engine ever made
That's why I lavish maintenance on my 160K mile 12 Soul w/2.0. Port injection. 3K mile OCI. Still runs great and as quiet as a whisper. I'm 67 and retired. I hope it outlives me! 😁
I've been saying for years Kia Hyundai use poor cheap wire harnesses which turn into electrical problems on the vehicles & now fires, I had a 16 Sorento what a nightmare almost everything broke electrical issues up the a** battery continually dying, moon roof wouldn't close just a disaster, they entice with the designs of the car but reliability eventually catches up to you... I remember Hyundai back in the 80s Pony Stellar were also disasters.
“I really like how they give you these engine anchors so you can pull them out when they fail” 😂😂😂 Really enjoy how you edited the impact clips together!
You edit your impact ratchet with near perfect timing. Greatly speeds up the nitty gritty video and sounds really cool (even a little hypnotic). Great video sir!
Yeeeeeah can't defend Kia owners here either. My only friend who owned 2 Kias blew both engines. When I popped the hood on the second one battery acid, rubber bands, and a completely seized motor was all I found. RIP Space Cowboy.
If you were conscientious enough to follow recommended maintenance intervals (or better), this video shows why you still would be doomed to failure ultimately based on the skimpy design and, in particular, when combined with the GDI carbon build up liability. So, yeah, even if you know what you are doing maintenance-wise with cars, you still would be a “typical” Kia owner for buying one of these in the first place.
Very interesting seeing an engine dismantled. Great video. I have a Kia Sportage SUV 2017 2.0 litre diesel and have had no trouble at all with it. It's travelled 92,000 km and I'm selling it and buying another Kia Sportage 2.0 litre diesel, but this time, I'm getting the top of the range model. My wife and I love this car. I was attracted to the fact that it has a full-sized spare (a deal breaker for me) and that it comes with a 7 year warranty. I'm selling it with 2 years of the factory warranty still remaining. I'm very impressed with the tyres and brakes that comes with the Kia Sportage. I just put on 4 new tyres today, the first tyre change in 92,000 km! All my previous tyres on other vehicles only lasted 62,000 km! I've never had to replace the brake pads. The mechanic told me that there's still plenty of brake pads left. I've never had a vehicle in the past that's lasted >92,000 km without a brake pad change (my wife's a nervous driver so she's always on the brakes).
it's really amazing how many people neglect oil changes...it's the most easy preventative maintenance that you can do...either by yourself or taking it to a shop to do. It's literally $100 and maybe 1 hour worth of your time, but goes such a long way to protect your engine and increase the longevity of your car.
Kia's are (mostly) reliable from my experience. I was taught a car is the 2nd biggest investment the average person makes and if you take care of the car, it takes care of you. That's the thing though, I was taught this information by the males in my family who work on cars and had jobs as parts managers in dealerships. Not a lot of younger people, like myself, are taught to treat our very expensive possessions with care, which is some of the reason why parts break
Great video! I, as a typical Kia owner was not smart enough to check my oil frequently and ended up running it out of oil. Bought a new engine and am gonna take the old one apart and rebuild it. This video serves as an awesome reference. Thanks!
Dude, I absolutely LOVE your channel! You arent vague, you include humor and are very detailed when explaining things. The first video I saw by you was the one where you disassembled the CVT transmission, and it was very satisfying.
Lol, I got this engine (2012) with the oil consumption problem… I bought the car because i thought they where solid, sadly they aren’t. Very informative to see the inside, keep it up!!
I drive 2014 Kia Ceed 1.6 CRDI SW(diesel) 200.000k on the odometer. I Change oil every 10.000km instead 30.000km that factory recommends. The engine burns no oil between oil changes. Car works like a charm.
These 1.6 GDIs are usually very solid. Short trips and low quality oil and fuel will hurt them after 10 years though. I've seen them with around 700k miles on them without being opened. Synthetic oil and mostly highway trips (so at full operating temp) definitely helps to get that far! Edit: the plastic inserts in the cooling jacket are to evenly distribute heat and therefore thermal expansion between the top and bottom of the cylinder.
@@maxboya it's on the Hyundai forum on a thread called 'another milestone' it keeps deleting my comment when I post a link here. It was at 635k miles in February so will be much higher by now
@@19jacobob93 Hyundai and Kia are very hit and miss coming out of the plant. I worked for Hyundai/Kia when we sold truck loads of Theta II cars, and some of them were blowing up before their first oil change. The 3.3 Sonatas and Azeras were even worse. I agree that certain engines IF built right and taken care of right will go a long time, but there comes a point where you see too many cars going through 3-4 engines on people for it to not be the fault of the manufacturer as well. That being said, my one and only Hyundai had 680k on the clock (km) on it's second engine and original trans (2nd clutch). It was a diesel H1 with the Mitsu based 4D motor though. Nothing electrical worked, but the drivetrain was solid, albeit slow an inefficient.
So much knowledge delivered so quickly so we’ll, I’m so glad I was recommended this video, I have a 2014 veloster turbo with pretty much the same engine
I have 2020 Hyundai 1.6. that has been great so far. I am very careful about oil changes at 3750 mile intervals and check level once a week. Say what you want, but when a Corolla and Civic are approaching $30,000 I have to look at other options. Thank you for your videos!
You are welcome. Take care of it and it will take care of you. Not sure if yours had port injection but if it's GDI only, consider an intake cleaning once in a while
WOW! This guy knows his stuff! Just purchased a 2024 Soul with the 2.0 normally aspirated as they deleted this engine option a coupla years ago. Definitely subscribed you do NOT run into many mechanics that are this knowledgeable it takes all kinds to make the world fly.
I bought a 2009 Kia Rondo with a 2.4L engine, first and only car I ever purchased new. I changed the oil religiously, performed all required maintenance, used Gumout fuel injector cleaner or Lucas, whichever is available, and my Rondo has 174,000+ miles and runs well. Just now started having problems with the alternator. Take care of your vehicle and your vehicle will take care of you.
@@iamdenislara Yes, in order to meet EPA targets to prove their engine is "cleaner". Its the same as companies saying transmission fluid is a lifetime fluid. Anything subjected to heat will break down. Oil will break down heavily in 7500 miles.
That's because you likely were mindful to check the oil and actually maintain its proper level between oil changes. As this guy said most people are clueless. They can barely put gas into it when they remember to.
loving these post-failure teardowns. any chance you can get your hands on a Mazda Skyactiv 2.0L engine? Mine still runs like new, but I'm always curious about their hidden intricacies.
@@Jehowy666 So true! Especially the one with Start and stop teck and cylinder deactivation is leading to lot of failures but people love their Fuel Economy I guess.
Thank you! After seeing this video, I'm now fully qualified engine mechanic expert. After lunch am going to casually disassemble, clean and reassemble my Hyundai 1.6 T-GDI engine.
Love your channel. Great videos. I have learned a lot. Thanks for taking the time to look for a suitable engine, tear it down, edit the video and sharing it with all of us.
At the beginning of the video, I thought the toothbrush is going to bother me but I was wrong. I learned so much from your short video. You have a back for teaching, I look forward to watching all of your videos. Thank you!
Excellent and interesting vlog, I have a Ford transit connect manual transmission and very happy with it, I have always changed my oil and filters every year. The pollen, fuel filter, brake fluid, anti freeze and also gearbox oil every 2/3 years. When renewing the oil I tend to put in half a litre of oil to flush out any possible old residue at the bottom of the sump before putting new oil back in, and yes I’m a fussy ol tart, kind regards to you and everyone out there. Mark from Billericay in the U.K. 🇬🇧😀👍
I had this engine in my 2014 KIA Rio 6spd and I wasn’t impressed. Totally reliable but I could barely get 30mpg with a light foot and the engine required premium gas during the summer because the AC load would make the engine ping like it ingested marbles! The 2 liter port injected engine in my 2022 Forte is smoother, quieter and achieves 40 combined mpg without even trying.
@@speedkar99 That was 91 octane for this same 1.6 engine in my old Rio when running the AC in the summer; very annoying ping issue on a relatively trouble-free engine. I upgraded to the 2 liter in the Forte when I learned KIA stopped with the direct injection complication on their economy cars; couldn’t be happier.
exact same car except for the years(2015) i get around 6.3l/100 in the summer and under 7 in the normal winter. And i do an italian tune up on it daily! mine is very frugal even when bashed around....you need to put the rpm up around at least 3750 rpm to feel the surge...under 3000 it lags a bit...
I've got a 2016 Kia Soul (base model, 1.6 L, 6-speed manual). The best I've gotten on long highway trips is about 35 mpg, but typically get 30 to 31 mpg (with 87 octane gasonline). I haven't had the "ping" you described when running the air-conditioning, though. Anyways, for a long while I've felt that a 2.0 liter engine would be a better pairing for the car, and it seems we agree on that. Problem is, finding one with a manual transmission. 🙂 Glad to know that the 2022 engine in your Forte is a significant improvement.
Fuck yes i completely know what your talking about i absolutely hate that shit i have to run 89 sometimes because its annoying af. We have a 2.0l na 2020 Tucson with a catch can since brand new, now at 40,000 miles trouble free no issues at all. Some people wont get it even with this motor running completely fine it will ping on 87 octane. its cooler in Florida right now as well and it still does it it baffles me how they designed this motor. if i put the ac blower on setting 2 or higher it seems to drive smoother but if i put it on 1 it pings. Just makes you think something is wrong with the motor when really its carbon free doesn't burn any oil its just the way they designed the engine makes me think they didn't even test this motor at all?
Thanks for the vid! I bought a used 2014 Soul 6MT w/ the 1.6l and about 100k on the clock a year ago and it burns a decent amount of oil. I switched to a higher viscosity (5W30 full syn) and use GDI intake cleaner at every oil change (done every 3000 mi). I check the oil level on this thing religiously! Anyways, it's nice to see the internals on the 1.6l - makes me feel better about having to do any diy work on it. It's hilariously slow but still a blast to drive w/ a 6 speed!
@@speedkar99 It's pretty similar to Seafoam! You bypass the MAF and spray it right into the intake. After the can is done you take it out for the ol' Italian tune up and then change the oil.
@@rolandbourbeau7478 It hasn't hurt anything! In the year since I wrote this, my car now burns about 1 quart of oil every ~250 miles. The rings are pretty much shot as are the cylinder walls (as evidenced by cylinder wall scoring and a decent amount of piston slap when the engine is cold.) One whole bottle of Lucas Engine Oil Stabilizer is added every oil change and that helps slow the oil burn rate a bit (1 quart oil loss after ~500-600 mi). If you have a Kia /Hyundai product with the Gamma/Theta/ Nu engine, do yourself a favor and get rid of it!
Thanks for sharing an interesting and informative video. I've got a 2016 Kia Soul (base model, 1.6 L, 6-speed manual) with a GDI engine. Even though I'm not a "typical" Kia owner (and actually check & top-up my engine's oil and have it changed regularly), I gained a new perspective on the importance of frequent oil changes for Kia GDI engines. Apparently the GDI engines are more prone to oil issues than the 2000 Hyundai Elantra (wagon) 2.0L engine that I owned in the past.
Just last week i sold my 2010 Kia Rio. It has a 1.6 L engine too I'm not sure if it's exactly the same as this one. It had 200k miles! Still ran well. Idk how much longer it was gonna keep up though
Nice feat! 2006-11 Rios and Accents used the 1.6 L Alpha II engine (predecessor to the Gamma). With TLC, they're known to last. I've seen three UA-cam vids of cars with 800K-1M kms
The conrods are press fit in style so they don't need circlips to hold them like freefloating rods. My friend who's a kia/hyundai service tech says his shop is down to 1 and a half hours on subframe, engine and transmission drop on almost all their fwd/awd models because they do so many of them. Their motors just don't last even with oil changes at the correct interval and any extension to the interval just shortens their life even more. I've also been told by the same guy that the aftermarket oil filter scene for these engines isn't trustworthy and that is contributing to engine failure, even if you do the change yourself get filters from a dealer.
So it's pretty clear, lack of care killed this thing. For someone that does 3k oil change interval and keeps up with other general maintenance. How reliable would you say these would be with proper care? My wife has the rio with this one, and I have the gamma with the turbo...curious if we made a bad choice.
@@speedkar99 out of curiosity why’s that? I tried looking for common issues with the turbo but couldn’t find any list that separated issues with variations of the gamma out
a very good show & tell explanation...thank you now...I AM an average Kia owner, '23 Soul with mpfi 2.0, and I do check my oil...every 2-3 weeks! I currently have 9.7k miles and am approaching my 2nd oil change...dealer urges a 5k mile OCI using expensive full synthetic 0w-20 oil which is under utilized for such a short OCI I can understand why owners push extended OCI's on these...when you spec full synthetic 0w-20 full synthetic and urge 5,000 mile oil changes, people get upset when charged $75-100+ per oil change! 5,000 mile rated oil falls in the category of 'conventional' or 'synthetic blend' and the oil changes usually cost less; spec full synthetic oil and urge OCI's for 5k miles is a waste of money & resources...full synthetic oil is formulated for higher mileage OCI's; 7k miles is still low, but better than 5k miles! even Subaru's 6k OCI is low for the capability of the oil! respec the engine for 5w-20 conventional or synthetic blend & 5k mile OCI's are justified!
Mine has 181K on it and runs amazing. Oil consumption is awful but it doesn't blow blue smoke or leak. Original clutch in car. It's partly who drives it.
Fortunately, my daughter isn't a "typical Kia owner" since she checks and actually knows how to change her own oil. Her 2011 Forte uses no oil between changes and we'll be replacing the plugs this weekend. Curious to see what they look like at 110k miles.
@@wellnesscoach73 my manual says to change oil at 120,000km. Does that mean I should ride the car till 120k and do the first oil change or can infer that it is a checkpoint. Just like the spark plugs at 110k?
I think the only bad design in this engine is the Gasoline direct injection and skipping of some extras. Otherwise its a simple solid design if taken care of it can run a lot.
Watching this video saved me a lot of time and money before I went ahead to start working on the car myself. Stress relieved at this point knowing this engine will fail. Ill invest into another one before i build it
I keep seeing these types of criticisms of KIA and Hyundai. But all the people I know with KIAs and post 2000's Hyundai have never had any problems with theirs. Hmmm....
I have a ton of respect for the progression of Hyundai and Kia in the last decade. I'm pretty confident that If I was maintaining one of these engines, I wouldn't have the same problems shown in this tear down. I say that as a staunch domestic owner.
This is a fantastic video. I love, LOVE that you explain literally every step of the way how the components work and why they're designed that way. It makes me feel confident enough to think about taking out a car engine and working on it.
I had the 2.4 with my 2010 Forte Koup, had over 200K on it, when i sold it, was still running like a champ, didn't burn any oil, i also have 2 Kia Borrego with over 250K on them, they have been bulletproof reliable, don't know how you maintain your cars, but, never had any problems with my Kia's.
@@Bluegillette I've got one, they're good motors but they'd have the same carbon buildup for GDI. The way I see it enjoy the motor, tune it out and buy a new motor when the old one grenades, you're not going to get super mileage from a performance turbo motor. Genesis models have a new V6 with port injection as well I guess to do away with the carbon issues.
@Harry Balls well, that's something that can kill any engine. But my comment was not about that, I'm talking about simplicity, not over-complicating the design. It looks clean, no obvious design flaws, maybe except the oil system routing (as indicated in the video).
Very underated car brands. Excellent to work on, very few special tools, most things come apart without headaches. Sadly they are poorly mistreated and abused by most owners.
Not just KIA owners but the majority of people don't check the oil level in their cars. We have a 10-year-old 2013 Accent with the 1.6 L she still purrs and burns no oil. we purchased new and do most of maintenance ourselves.
Excellent tutorial on why the kia engines(or any engine for that matter) fails. A little harsh on Kia owners, as I have found that most car owners, no matter the brand, do NOT regularly check the oil level in their cars. Other than that, I wish you would speed up the presentation,,LOL. In my humble opinion, the title should just be...'Why Engines Fail'.
Well, as an owner of a kia, i think this vids is very informative 👌. The brand "kia" isn't the issue though, it's the owners of these kia's that are the problem for not giving their cars the proper maintenance....so yeah..
If the owner of a Hyundai engine doesn't check the oil level and doesn't take care of the engine by doing oil changes at recommended intervals, it's not the fault of the manufacturer of the engine.
having worked on many of those engines.... that engine has suffered a severe lack of maintenance. I have many customers with over 200,000 km's on the original engines and they run perfect... WITH quality regular maintenance
Couldn't believe the sludge in that pan. This poor engine has immeasurably suffered as a result due to lack of maintenance. some people on this rock should not have been born.
I'm amazed at the failure level reported in the US. Here in Australia they are generally considered a very reliable product. Our service requirements are 10,000km for the turbo petrol engines and 15,000km for the NA petrol and Diesel. Most of our KIA and Hyundai models are Korean made with some European produced. I have noticed there is a distinct quality difference with the US built Toyota Highlander or Kluger as it is called here compared to the Japanese made Rav 4 and wonder if the Hyundai models built in the US are using inferior quilt materials.
The fail rate in America is because they manufacture it themselves Kia and Hyundai and they have different engines fit for them in America. But Kia and Hyundai primary market is in asia and Europe . They get the cars from either European plant or Korean and the cars are some of the most reliable in the word. The problem is only in USA their plant and engine type is different from the rest of the world but it’s not with everyone most people in the states are satisfied with the brands.
I'm so glad you did this engine. I wondered how reliable it is due to it being around for a very long time. This and the turbo. I have a 2018 2.0 Nu in my Elantra, manual transmission. 105k as of the other day. Changed one item. A wheel bearing. Thats it. Use 5w30 synthetic oil every 4,500k. Cha get plugs once and keep up on it. Fantastic engine. Quiet and runs really well. No gdi. I'll put 200k easy. I'm pretty confident in the 2.0 nu motor.
It'd be neat if you got your hands on the older 2.0L beta (2) engine. I recently did some compression tests and aside from small things like hardened spark plug gaskets it still roars w/ 220k miles. It's also one of their loudest engines despite only 138hp and a 6.5k redline. The GDI engines from 2010s really weren't the play from hyundai/kia, getting better tho (i hope)
I definitely agree. My 2007 Tiburon has the 2.0L Beta 2 with 190k miles on it. As I mentioned in my previous post it still purrs. Although the old 2.0 Beta lacks certain refinement, it's still a strong motor if well cared for. It's also relatively easily to maintain and care for, just make sure that you always keep an eye on the timing belt when service is due. When paired with a manual transmission I can easily bark my tires on the first 3 gears in my Tiburon.
Thanks for this review of an all-Korean design. It appears that the execution is high quality, but the design doesn't tolerate edge-cases(neglect, abuse, environment). Curious how GM's newer Korean division (Malibu, Cruze, Spark2016+) compares to Hyundai/Kia.
Kia magnificent car I have from 2012 and I only change traction pulley, fuel filter, and the serpentine belt and the tyers the car have 80.000 miles and acting like new. I change the oil and oil filter every 6000 miles and I enjoy the Kia. Brilliant car.
@@speedkar99 For the KIA, I would use the best oil and premium Mobil 1 oil filter to compensate for unreliability of KIA engines, such as Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, or Mobil 1 Extended Performance or Royal Purple, and for carbon build up I would use BG 109 Engine Performance Restoration engine flush to remove sludge build up and free up clogged up oil piston rings and check oil weekly to top up oil and make sure oil is at 2nd hole on dip stick at all times and use only Shell gas which is higher quality and a little bit of Shell V-Power on every fill up, do you think that would make the KIA engine last a long time? Would I be the highest IQ smartest KIA owner in the world?
Great video, talk about a budget Kia engine, wow! I'm sure neglect had a lot to do with it. Can you do a tear down on a S-2000 or a Volvo 5 cylinder engine?
Great Video as always. Conclusion? Even if you change oil & filter at very, very short intervals, do this engines have the chance to run reasonably well for, lets say 120k miles/200k kms ? Can Carbon build-up be prevented or mitigated in any way? Thanks !!
Yes they will last to 200k with frequent oil changes say every 5000 km to be safe using synthetic oil and Kia filter, you can do a seafoam carbon cleaning through the intake, lots of videos of it on here.
Thanks for step by step breakdown of the KIA engine, it's amazing what it takes to have an engine that’s supposed to operate properly and the manufacturer use inferior parts and bad design, but it probably is the same with GM and Ford and Ram engines that build engines with inferior parts
Your vids are jam packed with great info. No fluff, no stupid music, just you, an old engine, a relative's t-shirt, and your wife's toothbrush. I appreciate ya.
wise words
Theta II engine owners don't have to worry about carbon build up, as the engines don't last long enough to build up carbon lol
Truth.
True lol
Just did GDI carbon build up cleaning on my 2015 Kia optima SXL, she still going strong Also did an engine flush using multiple oils and car runs great now, I feel KIA engines can still last with a bit more TLC than your usual car
91K on my 2013 Optima SX. Third engine, so roughly 30K per engine. 5w-30 synthetic and new OE filter every 5K miles. All 3 engines compliments of Kia.
My 2012 kia forte(2.0L) has clocked more than 400,000km..most of time it was driven aggressively & still works fine..not found any issue with it..
Man this is one of the most well-edited, brief, yet thorough engine teardowns I've seen. Fantastic job!
public announcement for hyundai KIA genesis owner.
Jan. 31, 2023-Two of America's largest insurance providers, Progressive and State Farm, refuse to cover older Hyundai and Kia models. According to reports, the insurers say that some models of these two auto brands are too easy to steal in certain cities.9
Yeah the person who did this video is extremely intelligent,
I couldn't stop thinking about that as I was watching this.
I also question how he was able to keep fast forwarding
and then slowing down again at the exact times, to save viewers time.
I have and still drive my 2003 Kia Sedona..... 282,549 miles....leaks a small amount of oil....still running great and strong.....she is my beater with a heater for winter. Has been a GREAT van for 18 years.
That is good to know. Your only second person I heard this. When I was shopping for a minivan at a dealership, someone told me the same thing about their very old Kia Sedona. They literally told me the Sedona will not die lol 😂
@@rmwarriors16 We have had 4. A 2008, a 2012, a 2017 and a 2016. The 2008 and 2012 were great, The 2017 seemed as good, but some kid T boned it at 80K. Bought a 2016 that supposedly had 55K pn it, had more issues with it than the other 3 combined and then some. I actually think it had the miles rolled back on it - it just seemed to have to much wear on the seats and pedals for a vehicle with only 55K on it. But it was the middle of Covid and there wasn't many choices. Traded it at 85K miles.
Yep. Kia minivans (I have a 2009) were built on a truck chassis with 6-lug wheels and suspension parts twice as tough as those on Chrysler/Dodge vans. They had a 3.8L v6 with a lot of grunt and better gas-mileage. Don't buy any Kia made after this generation ended.
I have a 2023 K5, no oil being used at all. nothing has broken at all so far. However I change the oil myself at 5k miles, use top tier gas. It obvious that motor was neglected
This one comes with a Mitsubishi V6 engine in 2003 Kia Sedona, that's why.
2012 Kia Soul base model, 1.6 L automatic with 239, 560 miles on the clock as of today. The key is oil changes every three to four thousand miles. It burn about 1/4 of a quart between oil changes. Oh, never cleaned the valves on this direct injection engine. Still runs like a Swiss watch. The only item that needed replacement was the alternator. All other items were maintenance items. The trans is service every 30,000 miles and the cooling system flushed every two years. The front pads and rotors replaced at about every 30/35 thousand miles and the rears at 50 thousand.
Do you still have it? How is it so far? Have the same model but with 87000 miles. I figure if I keep up with maintenance and fix and protect from rust it could go on for another 7-8 years.
Good luck with that mine at 214k started to idle low and wanted to shut off because of carbon.
This is literally the video I needed to watch there’s no other videos on UA-cam with this amount of detail going into this Kia engine
I liked the time-lapse removing bolts.. good stuff!
Thanks for the feedback I'll edit like that going forward
Yeah mannnnn.. Pretty dope.
Absolutely agree. And I know how much work it is when it comes to filming and editing!
Respect! In every aspect! I have never seen a video in which someone explains an engine and its design so quickly. Everything is explained in an absolutely comprehensible and understandable way. Even the camera is always perfectly positioned. At first, I thought: wow, he's talking really fast, he has an American dialect and now there's probably some technical jargon that you don't understand as a German hobby mechanic. But far from it! Perfect video! Thanks for that!
Yeah this guy is obviously extremely intelligent.
He is a master at both automative and video technology
and they come together perfectly here.
“A typical Kia owner is not smart enough to check their oil levels” … I love this guy!
But how's the 6 cylinder engines from kia???
Honestly, how is that different than any other maker?
Most people don’t, but it’s a problem that you have to baby a Kia when the whole purpose is to have a cheap car you can keep driving until it falls apart
@@Cresta-fm8uj Oh it'll fall apart all right
@@robertt9342 no manufacturer is perfect and zero service can kill any machine before the due date but apart from a very few exceptions, the most recent being 2007-2010 2.4 4cyl, Toyota are so much better built than all other cars, that if cars were people, Toyotas would be Terminators.
Toyota are a huge corporation and therefore not worthy of any consumers love or trust BUT they got to be number 1 by building their cars better than everyone else.
This is the best, most informative video for ANY Gamma engine owner. This video alone taught me more about my engine than I learned over a years worth of watching other stuff. You’re badass my dude!
I was aware of the oil consumption though and the lack of O-ring quality.
Glad it helped!
I had a Gamma 1.6T and beat the guts out of it for 5 years 120k miles, no issues. Currently have 190k on my Theta II, it burns a quart every 5k miles but no other issues. Hyundai products have treated me well.
as a kia owner i feel attacked but too stupid to realize it
Haha
Honda and Hyundai are not the same thing bro
well he straight up said a typical Kia owner wouldn't be smart enough to check their oil frequently....
@@jaybee6477 Yes. Honda costs 4 times as much. Also, look up the many failures they have with the CVT and a V6.
@@karlhungus545 you obviously have no clue what your talking about, Kia’s and Hyundais are the exact same price if not more money and Honda has been making bullet proof v6s ( j series) for 30 years. Name one well built engine Korea makes, the answer is none. Hondas most problematic engines are light years ahead of the best Hyundai/ Kia engine ever made
That's why I lavish maintenance on my 160K mile 12 Soul w/2.0. Port injection. 3K mile OCI. Still runs great and as quiet as a whisper. I'm 67 and retired. I hope it outlives me! 😁
I am not a mechanic, but this is a very good, "bolt by bolt" break down. Easy to see and understand. Nicely done! 👍
Check out "I do cars" on UA-cam. I'm sure you'll like it.
I've been saying for years Kia Hyundai use poor cheap wire harnesses which turn into electrical problems on the vehicles & now fires, I had a 16 Sorento what a nightmare almost everything broke electrical issues up the a** battery continually dying, moon roof wouldn't close just a disaster, they entice with the designs of the car but reliability eventually catches up to you... I remember Hyundai back in the 80s Pony Stellar were also disasters.
“I really like how they give you these engine anchors so you can pull them out when they fail” 😂😂😂
Really enjoy how you edited the impact clips together!
Thanks for the feedback, I'll try editing it like that I'm the future
You edit your impact ratchet with near perfect timing. Greatly speeds up the nitty gritty video and sounds really cool (even a little hypnotic). Great video sir!
"a typical KIA owner is not gonna be smart enough to check their oil..." HEY HEY NOW
He's not wrong.
"Typical car owner" would be more appropriate - plenty examples of neglect out there
Every Kia I’ve ever serviced in the past 2 years have had black oil or no oil on maintenance 👌🏽🤣
Yeeeeeah can't defend Kia owners here either. My only friend who owned 2 Kias blew both engines. When I popped the hood on the second one battery acid, rubber bands, and a completely seized motor was all I found. RIP Space Cowboy.
If you were conscientious enough to follow recommended maintenance intervals (or better), this video shows why you still would be doomed to failure ultimately based on the skimpy design and, in particular, when combined with the GDI carbon build up liability. So, yeah, even if you know what you are doing maintenance-wise with cars, you still would be a “typical” Kia owner for buying one of these in the first place.
Very interesting seeing an engine dismantled. Great video.
I have a Kia Sportage SUV 2017 2.0 litre diesel and have had no trouble at all with it. It's travelled 92,000 km and I'm selling it and buying another Kia Sportage 2.0 litre diesel, but this time, I'm getting the top of the range model.
My wife and I love this car. I was attracted to the fact that it has a full-sized spare (a deal breaker for me) and that it comes with a 7 year warranty.
I'm selling it with 2 years of the factory warranty still remaining.
I'm very impressed with the tyres and brakes that comes with the Kia Sportage.
I just put on 4 new tyres today, the first tyre change in 92,000 km! All my previous tyres on other vehicles only lasted 62,000 km!
I've never had to replace the brake pads. The mechanic told me that there's still plenty of brake pads left. I've never had a vehicle in the past that's lasted >92,000 km without a brake pad change (my wife's a nervous driver so she's always on the brakes).
it's really amazing how many people neglect oil changes...it's the most easy preventative maintenance that you can do...either by yourself or taking it to a shop to do. It's literally $100 and maybe 1 hour worth of your time, but goes such a long way to protect your engine and increase the longevity of your car.
Even I, who meticulously changed mine every 5000km, still had a knocking KIA engine at 165000km
I had a Kia with less than 60k miles completely explode even after routine oil changes, some engines are just destined to fail
$25 if you do it yourself. The worst part is you always spill some oil.
Kia's are (mostly) reliable from my experience. I was taught a car is the 2nd biggest investment the average person makes and if you take care of the car, it takes care of you. That's the thing though, I was taught this information by the males in my family who work on cars and had jobs as parts managers in dealerships. Not a lot of younger people, like myself, are taught to treat our very expensive possessions with care, which is some of the reason why parts break
Yeah , they break down ‘reliably’
Frequent oil changes are your friend
Great video! I, as a typical Kia owner was not smart enough to check my oil frequently and ended up running it out of oil. Bought a new engine and am gonna take the old one apart and rebuild it. This video serves as an awesome reference. Thanks!
Dude, I absolutely LOVE your channel! You arent vague, you include humor and are very detailed when explaining things. The first video I saw by you was the one where you disassembled the CVT transmission, and it was very satisfying.
It's always a pleasure to watch autopsy done on engine.
Thanks
CHeckout the "i do cars" channel.
One of the most informative,comprehensive, thorough and educational videos ive ever watched.
"I like how they put engine hooks for when the engine fails and you have to pull the engine out" LOL
But it's true...haha other manufacturers make you purchase the hooks as a separate piece
This is something i've personally noticed, i try to avoid engines that have hooks built in, it's like they know it's gonna need to come out.
Lol, I got this engine (2012) with the oil consumption problem… I bought the car because i thought they where solid, sadly they aren’t. Very informative to see the inside, keep it up!!
Dude taught me more about the modern engine in 2 minutes then I’ve learned watching tons of car videos 😊
Then you don't watch the right videos.
as an old school pushrod guy. this is a bit complicated for me
I drive 2014 Kia Ceed 1.6 CRDI SW(diesel) 200.000k on the odometer. I Change oil every 10.000km instead 30.000km that factory recommends. The engine burns no oil between oil changes. Car works like a charm.
These 1.6 GDIs are usually very solid.
Short trips and low quality oil and fuel will hurt them after 10 years though.
I've seen them with around 700k miles on them without being opened. Synthetic oil and mostly highway trips (so at full operating temp) definitely helps to get that far!
Edit: the plastic inserts in the cooling jacket are to evenly distribute heat and therefore thermal expansion between the top and bottom of the cylinder.
700k 🤣🤣🤣
@@anthonyiannone7618 yep, lemme find a link
@@19jacobob93 700k?!?!?!
“Hi yes I’ll take sh*t that never happened for 500 please and thank you”
@@maxboya it's on the Hyundai forum on a thread called 'another milestone' it keeps deleting my comment when I post a link here. It was at 635k miles in February so will be much higher by now
@@19jacobob93 Hyundai and Kia are very hit and miss coming out of the plant.
I worked for Hyundai/Kia when we sold truck loads of Theta II cars, and some of them were blowing up before their first oil change. The 3.3 Sonatas and Azeras were even worse.
I agree that certain engines IF built right and taken care of right will go a long time, but there comes a point where you see too many cars going through 3-4 engines on people for it to not be the fault of the manufacturer as well.
That being said, my one and only Hyundai had 680k on the clock (km) on it's second engine and original trans (2nd clutch). It was a diesel H1 with the Mitsu based 4D motor though. Nothing electrical worked, but the drivetrain was solid, albeit slow an inefficient.
So much knowledge delivered so quickly so we’ll, I’m so glad I was recommended this video, I have a 2014 veloster turbo with pretty much the same engine
I have 2020 Hyundai 1.6. that has been great so far. I am very careful about oil changes at 3750 mile intervals and check level once a week. Say what you want, but when a Corolla and Civic are approaching $30,000 I have to look at other options. Thank you for your videos!
You are welcome. Take care of it and it will take care of you.
Not sure if yours had port injection but if it's GDI only, consider an intake cleaning once in a while
@@speedkar99 2 injectors per cylinder but paired next to each other. GDI I believe.
I will do cleanings. Use top tier fuel only also.
@@toddgiambruno If there are 2 injectors per cylinder then you have both port and direct injection, which is better.
@@toddgiambruno one is gdi and the other is a di, like toyota does
@@toddgiambruno does top tier mean premium fuel(91 or 93 octane)?
Talk about HIGH quality videography. Incredibly informative.
Shortcuts and cost cutting aside, one thing I absolutely respect Hyundai for is that their engines are mostly all simple mechanical designs.
WOW! This guy knows his stuff! Just purchased a 2024 Soul with the 2.0 normally aspirated as they deleted this engine option a coupla years ago. Definitely subscribed you do NOT run into many mechanics that are this knowledgeable it takes all kinds to make the world fly.
I bought a 2009 Kia Rondo with a 2.4L engine, first and only car I ever purchased new. I changed the oil religiously, performed all required maintenance, used Gumout fuel injector cleaner or Lucas, whichever is available, and my Rondo has 174,000+ miles and runs well. Just now started having problems with the alternator. Take care of your vehicle and your vehicle will take care of you.
a high quality synthetic and synth filter will also aid a lot in colder climates
Kia Rondo used a Mitsubishi 4-speed auto transmission as well.
I did my oil changes every 7000 miles like the manual said. My 2015 Forte5 had no issues for 120,000 miles when I sold it
@Ib Mal manual says 7500.
@@iamdenislara Yes, in order to meet EPA targets to prove their engine is "cleaner". Its the same as companies saying transmission fluid is a lifetime fluid. Anything subjected to heat will break down. Oil will break down heavily in 7500 miles.
That's because you likely were mindful to check the oil and actually maintain its proper level between oil changes. As this guy said most people are clueless. They can barely put gas into it when they remember to.
@@joeblowe7545 so true. Once in a while during the summer he needed maybe half a quart
@@d1sturb3d119
Mineral oil yes,will change to acid.
Synthetic no,need more cooking time.
loving these post-failure teardowns.
any chance you can get your hands on a Mazda Skyactiv 2.0L engine? Mine still runs like new, but I'm always curious about their hidden intricacies.
mazda’s skyactiv technology is one of the best in the business. doubt you have anything to worry about.
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@@Sekkzc Here in Europe they are even worse than Kias, every single SkyActive engine is failing before 50k km.
@@Jehowy666 So true! Especially the one with Start and stop teck and cylinder deactivation is leading to lot of failures but people love their Fuel Economy I guess.
Yeah. They're utter shit.
Thank you! After seeing this video, I'm now fully qualified engine mechanic expert. After lunch am going to casually disassemble, clean and reassemble my Hyundai 1.6 T-GDI engine.
Best of luck!
Love your channel. Great videos. I have learned a lot. Thanks for taking the time to look for a suitable engine, tear it down, edit the video and sharing it with all of us.
You are welcome!
At the beginning of the video, I thought the toothbrush is going to bother me but I was wrong. I learned so much from your short video. You have a back for teaching, I look forward to watching all of your videos. Thank you!
Excellent and interesting vlog, I have a Ford transit connect manual transmission and very happy with it, I have always changed my oil and filters every year. The pollen, fuel filter, brake fluid, anti freeze and also gearbox oil every 2/3 years. When renewing the oil I tend to put in half a litre of oil to flush out any possible old residue at the bottom of the sump before putting new oil back in, and yes I’m a fussy ol tart, kind regards to you and everyone out there. Mark from Billericay in the U.K. 🇬🇧😀👍
How much do you drive? Those maintainance intervals would kill that vehicle at 15,000-20,000 mile per year which is typical in the Western USA.
@@shazam6274 around 8000 miles a year using high quality fully synthetic 0w 30 grade oil 👍
@@marcusmaximus451 Thanks for the reply. I drive ~ 4,000 miles / month (Lyft driver, Scion Xb)
@@shazam6274 you’re welcome shazam that’s a lot of miles, take care and kind regards to you 😃👍👍👍
I don't think pouring oil to flush out the pan is gonna work like you think it does
I had this engine in my 2014 KIA Rio 6spd and I wasn’t impressed. Totally reliable but I could barely get 30mpg with a light foot and the engine required premium gas during the summer because the AC load would make the engine ping like it ingested marbles! The 2 liter port injected engine in my 2022 Forte is smoother, quieter and achieves 40 combined mpg without even trying.
Premium gas in a forte??
@@speedkar99 That was 91 octane for this same 1.6 engine in my old Rio when running the AC in the summer; very annoying ping issue on a relatively trouble-free engine. I upgraded to the 2 liter in the Forte when I learned KIA stopped with the direct injection complication on their economy cars; couldn’t be happier.
exact same car except for the years(2015) i get around 6.3l/100 in the summer and under 7 in the normal winter. And i do an italian tune up on it daily! mine is very frugal even when bashed around....you need to put the rpm up around at least 3750 rpm to feel the surge...under 3000 it lags a bit...
I've got a 2016 Kia Soul (base model, 1.6 L, 6-speed manual).
The best I've gotten on long highway trips is about 35 mpg, but typically get 30 to 31 mpg (with 87 octane gasonline).
I haven't had the "ping" you described when running the air-conditioning, though.
Anyways, for a long while I've felt that a 2.0 liter engine would be a better pairing for the car, and it seems we agree on that.
Problem is, finding one with a manual transmission. 🙂
Glad to know that the 2022 engine in your Forte is a significant improvement.
Fuck yes i completely know what your talking about i absolutely hate that shit i have to run 89 sometimes because its annoying af. We have a 2.0l na 2020 Tucson with a catch can since brand new, now at 40,000 miles trouble free no issues at all. Some people wont get it even with this motor running completely fine it will ping on 87 octane. its cooler in Florida right now as well and it still does it it baffles me how they designed this motor. if i put the ac blower on setting 2 or higher it seems to drive smoother but if i put it on 1 it pings. Just makes you think something is wrong with the motor when really its carbon free doesn't burn any oil its just the way they designed the engine makes me think they didn't even test this motor at all?
Thanks for the vid!
I bought a used 2014 Soul 6MT w/ the 1.6l and about 100k on the clock a year ago and it burns a decent amount of oil.
I switched to a higher viscosity (5W30 full syn) and use GDI intake cleaner at every oil change (done every 3000 mi). I check the oil level on this thing religiously!
Anyways, it's nice to see the internals on the 1.6l - makes me feel better about having to do any diy work on it. It's hilariously slow but still a blast to drive w/ a 6 speed!
How does the GDI cleaner work? Like seafoam?
@@speedkar99 It's pretty similar to Seafoam! You bypass the MAF and spray it right into the intake. After the can is done you take it out for the ol' Italian tune up and then change the oil.
poor sap 😢
Did the 5/30 help ?
@@rolandbourbeau7478 It hasn't hurt anything! In the year since I wrote this, my car now burns about 1 quart of oil every ~250 miles. The rings are pretty much shot as are the cylinder walls (as evidenced by cylinder wall scoring and a decent amount of piston slap when the engine is cold.) One whole bottle of Lucas Engine Oil Stabilizer is added every oil change and that helps slow the oil burn rate a bit (1 quart oil loss after ~500-600 mi).
If you have a Kia /Hyundai product with the Gamma/Theta/ Nu engine, do yourself a favor and get rid of it!
Most polite and clean-mouthed mechanic I've ever seen
I thoroughly enjoyed watching this, fast paced, no nonsense, well explained tear down. Thumbs up and now subscribed.
Thanks for sharing an interesting and informative video.
I've got a 2016 Kia Soul (base model, 1.6 L, 6-speed manual) with a GDI engine.
Even though I'm not a "typical" Kia owner (and actually check & top-up my engine's oil and have it changed regularly), I gained a new perspective on the importance of frequent oil changes for Kia GDI engines.
Apparently the GDI engines are more prone to oil issues than the 2000 Hyundai Elantra (wagon) 2.0L engine that I owned in the past.
So what’s wrong with the engine is the owner
You sure know your stuff. Nice to hear people who actually know their job.
Just last week i sold my 2010 Kia Rio. It has a 1.6 L engine too I'm not sure if it's exactly the same as this one. It had 200k miles! Still ran well. Idk how much longer it was gonna keep up though
Nice feat! 2006-11 Rios and Accents used the 1.6 L Alpha II engine (predecessor to the Gamma). With TLC, they're known to last. I've seen three UA-cam vids of cars with 800K-1M kms
The 2010 didn't have GDI
The Rio had a good engine, nothing like their newer ones
That impact wrench is the Bomb 💣 hope u put what type in the description below!!❤😊
My neighbors think otherwise at 8am on a Sunday morning
The conrods are press fit in style so they don't need circlips to hold them like freefloating rods.
My friend who's a kia/hyundai service tech says his shop is down to 1 and a half hours on subframe, engine and transmission drop on almost all their fwd/awd models because they do so many of them. Their motors just don't last even with oil changes at the correct interval and any extension to the interval just shortens their life even more. I've also been told by the same guy that the aftermarket oil filter scene for these engines isn't trustworthy and that is contributing to engine failure, even if you do the change yourself get filters from a dealer.
So it's pretty clear, lack of care killed this thing. For someone that does 3k oil change interval and keeps up with other general maintenance. How reliable would you say these would be with proper care? My wife has the rio with this one, and I have the gamma with the turbo...curious if we made a bad choice.
The naturally aspirated one might be fine. The turbo 1.6 I'd be worried about
@@speedkar99 out of curiosity why’s that? I tried looking for common issues with the turbo but couldn’t find any list that separated issues with variations of the gamma out
I so dig your videos. I love seeing these breakdowns.
Thanks! More to come.
I totally agree, they are groovy and farout.
4:09 what's up with the new engine in the background with a clock on it?
It's my engine coffee table 😊
Today I learned that I am not a typical Kia owner because I pay attention to the maintenance of my Kia's
a very good show & tell explanation...thank you
now...I AM an average Kia owner, '23 Soul with mpfi 2.0, and I do check my oil...every 2-3 weeks! I currently have 9.7k miles and am approaching my 2nd oil change...dealer urges a 5k mile OCI using expensive full synthetic 0w-20 oil which is under utilized for such a short OCI
I can understand why owners push extended OCI's on these...when you spec full synthetic 0w-20 full synthetic and urge 5,000 mile oil changes, people get upset when charged $75-100+ per oil change! 5,000 mile rated oil falls in the category of 'conventional' or 'synthetic blend' and the oil changes usually cost less;
spec full synthetic oil and urge OCI's for 5k miles is a waste of money & resources...full synthetic oil is formulated for higher mileage OCI's; 7k miles is still low, but better than 5k miles! even Subaru's 6k OCI is low for the capability of the oil!
respec the engine for 5w-20 conventional or synthetic blend & 5k mile OCI's are justified!
i’ve been waiting for this video so long that i bought and totaled my kia forte before it was published
Really? Ouch
@@speedkar99 found the channel doing research after i got the car! love the vids
Mine has 181K on it and runs amazing. Oil consumption is awful but it doesn't blow blue smoke or leak. Original clutch in car. It's partly who drives it.
Fortunately, my daughter isn't a "typical Kia owner" since she checks and actually knows how to change her own oil. Her 2011 Forte uses no oil between changes and we'll be replacing the plugs this weekend. Curious to see what they look like at 110k miles.
That's good. Keep up on the oil
I've been changing the oil on my 2010 Forte(bought new) every 5k, full synthetic since I purchased it. 248k miles and no engine issues.
110K??? ☠️🚾😷 wow 😮 waaay overdue.
@@mystiqblackcat what engine does it have??
@@wellnesscoach73 my manual says to change oil at 120,000km. Does that mean I should ride the car till 120k and do the first oil change or can infer that it is a checkpoint. Just like the spark plugs at 110k?
My 2.0 in my Forte is just about to hit 300,000. Regular oil changes with conventional oil and lots of highway driving keeps her clean.
I think the only bad design in this engine is the Gasoline direct injection and skipping of some extras. Otherwise its a simple solid design if taken care of it can run a lot.
Watching this video saved me a lot of time and money before I went ahead to start working on the car myself. Stress relieved at this point knowing this engine will fail. Ill invest into another one before i build it
Fantastic Video. TBH that engine looks well made and simple. Looks like it should last if oil changes maintained maybe done earlier.
I keep seeing these types of criticisms of KIA and Hyundai. But all the people I know with KIAs and post 2000's Hyundai have never had any problems with theirs. Hmmm....
I have a ton of respect for the progression of Hyundai and Kia in the last decade. I'm pretty confident that If I was maintaining one of these engines, I wouldn't have the same problems shown in this tear down. I say that as a staunch domestic owner.
Your explanation of all the oil gallies is above and beyond, good video
This is a fantastic video. I love, LOVE that you explain literally every step of the way how the components work and why they're designed that way. It makes me feel confident enough to think about taking out a car engine and working on it.
I had the 2.4 with my 2010 Forte Koup, had over 200K on it, when i sold it, was still running like a champ, didn't burn any oil, i also have 2 Kia Borrego with over 250K on them, they have been bulletproof reliable, don't know how you maintain your cars, but, never had any problems with my Kia's.
Agreed. 2009 Sorento at 150k original engine, cost me under 20k new. Well maintained=no problems.
People have no clue.
I would love to see your views on the Kia Stinger engine
2.0?
@@speedkar99 the 3.3l specifically, im contemplating get one for myself but i dont have the know how to access such a new platform
@@Bluegillette I've got one, they're good motors but they'd have the same carbon buildup for GDI. The way I see it enjoy the motor, tune it out and buy a new motor when the old one grenades, you're not going to get super mileage from a performance turbo motor. Genesis models have a new V6 with port injection as well I guess to do away with the carbon issues.
The “why it fails” series is definitely your best yet.
Well, maybe it failed, but still appears to be much more user friendly design than Volkswagen crap.
@Harry Balls well, that's something that can kill any engine. But my comment was not about that, I'm talking about simplicity, not over-complicating the design. It looks clean, no obvious design flaws, maybe except the oil system routing (as indicated in the video).
@Harry Balls yeah, understood. It's more true nowadays than ever thanks to these 0W water-viscosity-class oils and super thin oil rings.
Agreed. Simple in principle but maybe not execution
Are you planning to do rebuilds in the future? I would love to see that.
Nope. Scrapping it
I love your video editing when zipping off bolts. That sound is very satisfying to me for some reason.
I'll.keep that in mind for future edits. Previously I used to cut all that out
Learned so much and so quickly from this video. Really excellent teardown! Subscribed
Thanks!
Most of the problems with these engines I've seen on the internet are that the owner does not change oil. They just blame the engine...!
Kinda... Some engines like this can't take the abuse
Love these engine teardown videos. Get better and better each time. 🔥🔥🔥
Very underated car brands. Excellent to work on, very few special tools, most things come apart without headaches. Sadly they are poorly mistreated and abused by most owners.
11:32
Look at the cute little face Kia placed on the block.
Is it a bad design or did the owners skip a few oil changes?
A bit of both. GDI doesn't help either.
How the heck do those timing belt tensioner plastic strips not wear out in a month?
Not just KIA owners but the majority of people don't check the oil level in their cars. We have a 10-year-old 2013 Accent with the 1.6 L she still purrs and burns no oil. we purchased new and do most of maintenance ourselves.
Excellent tutorial on why the kia engines(or any engine for that matter) fails. A little harsh on Kia owners, as I have found that most car owners, no matter the brand, do NOT regularly check the oil level in their cars. Other than that, I wish you would speed up the presentation,,LOL. In my humble opinion, the title should just be...'Why Engines Fail'.
Well, as an owner of a kia, i think this vids is very informative 👌. The brand "kia" isn't the issue though, it's the owners of these kia's that are the problem for not giving their cars the proper maintenance....so yeah..
If the owner of a Hyundai engine doesn't check the oil level and doesn't take care of the engine by doing oil changes at recommended intervals, it's not the fault of the manufacturer of the engine.
having worked on many of those engines.... that engine has suffered a severe lack of maintenance. I have many customers with over 200,000 km's on the original engines and they run perfect... WITH quality regular maintenance
Couldn't believe the sludge in that pan. This poor engine has immeasurably suffered as a result due to lack of maintenance. some people on this rock should not have been born.
Interesting video. I own a 2010 Forte with 191k miles. I haven't had any serious issues with it yet just normal wear & tear related issues.
2011+ were troublesome
I'm amazed at the failure level reported in the US. Here in Australia they are generally considered a very reliable product. Our service requirements are 10,000km for the turbo petrol engines and 15,000km for the NA petrol and Diesel. Most of our KIA and Hyundai models are Korean made with some European produced. I have noticed there is a distinct quality difference with the US built Toyota Highlander or Kluger as it is called here compared to the Japanese made Rav 4 and wonder if the Hyundai models built in the US are using inferior quilt materials.
The fail rate in America is because they manufacture it themselves Kia and Hyundai and they have different engines fit for them in America. But Kia and Hyundai primary market is in asia and Europe . They get the cars from either European plant or Korean and the cars are some of the most reliable in the word. The problem is only in USA their plant and engine type is different from the rest of the world but it’s not with everyone most people in the states are satisfied with the brands.
I'm so glad you did this engine. I wondered how reliable it is due to it being around for a very long time. This and the turbo. I have a 2018 2.0 Nu in my Elantra, manual transmission. 105k as of the other day. Changed one item. A wheel bearing. Thats it. Use 5w30 synthetic oil every 4,500k. Cha get plugs once and keep up on it. Fantastic engine. Quiet and runs really well. No gdi. I'll put 200k easy. I'm pretty confident in the 2.0 nu motor.
NU is a newer motor.
Hyundai Kia doesn't have a good reputation with engines though....sadly.
@@speedkar99 bummer. I like the car. Hope it keeps it up! No gdi or turbo and I baby it. Really take care of it.
It'd be neat if you got your hands on the older 2.0L beta (2) engine. I recently did some compression tests and aside from small things like hardened spark plug gaskets it still roars w/ 220k miles. It's also one of their loudest engines despite only 138hp and a 6.5k redline. The GDI engines from 2010s really weren't the play from hyundai/kia, getting better tho (i hope)
I've heard the older non GDI motors do last a while
I definitely agree. My 2007 Tiburon has the 2.0L Beta 2 with 190k miles on it. As I mentioned in my previous post it still purrs.
Although the old 2.0 Beta lacks certain refinement, it's still a strong motor if well cared for. It's also relatively easily to maintain and care for, just make sure that you always keep an eye on the timing belt when service is due.
When paired with a manual transmission I can easily bark my tires on the first 3 gears in my Tiburon.
I GOT 243k miles out of a 2005 Hyundai 2.7l v6 when I sold it ran smooth as a baby.
@@speedkar99 Cast iron block and a feeling to prove something ftw
@@Tanooki2003 04 tibby owner as well, fun car! Looks keep up, lets just not talk abt the 1st gen haha
Great video! It’s really helpful to have a detailed walkaround of the engine and all the components
Thanks for this review of an all-Korean design. It appears that the execution is high quality, but the design doesn't tolerate edge-cases(neglect, abuse, environment). Curious how GM's newer Korean division (Malibu, Cruze, Spark2016+) compares to Hyundai/Kia.
It doesn't. Daewoo is rubbish.
I think there were issues with those but you need to look for specifics.
Kia magnificent car I have from 2012 and I only change traction pulley, fuel filter, and the serpentine belt and the tyers the car have 80.000 miles and acting like new.
I change the oil and oil filter every 6000 miles and I enjoy the Kia. Brilliant car.
10:32 “a typical KIA owner is not smart enough to check oil”
LMFAO 🤣 😂😂 Ohhh DISS!
Am I wrong? 😏
@@speedkar99 For the KIA, I would use the best oil and premium Mobil 1 oil filter to compensate for unreliability of KIA engines, such as Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, or Mobil 1 Extended Performance or Royal Purple, and for carbon build up I would use BG 109 Engine Performance Restoration engine flush to remove sludge build up and free up clogged up oil piston rings and check oil weekly to top up oil and make sure oil is at 2nd hole on dip stick at all times and use only Shell gas which is higher quality and a little bit of Shell V-Power on every fill up, do you think that would make the KIA engine last a long time? Would I be the highest IQ smartest KIA owner in the world?
@@JundaComputersGmbH
You would be deserving of any Toyota product as a reward for that level of maintenance....
Very good explanations of each function and problem, short, concise, and the point without useless verbiage. Efficient use of viewers time.
Great video, talk about a budget Kia engine, wow! I'm sure neglect had a lot to do with it. Can you do a tear down on a S-2000 or a Volvo 5 cylinder engine?
He's got an inline 5 video. search up volvo on his channel
I already have a Volvo 5 cylinder engine teardown go check it out
@@speedkar99 ❤
Super valuable!! Thank you!
Would it be too much to ask for your opinion about a 2018 kia forte im looking at?
Garbage engine
Great video very useful for the kia owners who look after our cars 😂 (we do exist!)
“I appreciate these engine brackets here so it’s easy to lift when your Kia engine fails” lmao
It's funny but true
Great Video as always. Conclusion?
Even if you change oil & filter at very, very short intervals, do this engines have the chance to run reasonably well for, lets say 120k miles/200k kms ?
Can Carbon build-up be prevented or mitigated in any way? Thanks !!
I think you can walnut blast the engine but I'm not an expert not sure.
Yes they will last to 200k with frequent oil changes say every 5000 km to be safe using synthetic oil and Kia filter, you can do a seafoam carbon cleaning through the intake, lots of videos of it on here.
@@tossmonkey1 Thanks !
@@GeordiLaForgery Elbow Grease works well too.
Run some intake cleaner through the intake system to slow down the carbon build up
Thanks for step by step breakdown of the KIA engine, it's amazing what it takes to have an engine that’s supposed to operate properly and the manufacturer use inferior parts and bad design, but it probably is the same with GM and Ford and Ram engines that build engines with inferior parts
Yeah