It’s not that only 30% have them, it’s 30% that remember them. All people dream when they sleep, but depending on the arousal time from the theta and delta states can make all the difference as to whether dreams are recalled. I think it could be the same with NDE’s most experiencers usually claim they were thrust back in their bodies instantly, therefore retaining the memory of the experiences. As for NDE’s being hallucinations or dreams, two people having the same dream or hallucination would be phenomena mystery in itself, let alone what must be in the millions by now.
Absolutely. Studies indicate the average person has 4 to 7 dreams each night. We forget most of those dreams. Perhaps the same is true of near death experiences. Then again, you could argue that NDEs are so significant that we are likely to remember just like we tend to remember very significant dreams.
You are omiting the other definite factors. 1. Many of the drugs used in emergency resuscitation medicine cause memory loss. That is a fact and for sure is one of the reasons the percentages of NDE cases is not shown as a higher percentile. 2. A great number of people who have had NDEs feel ashamed, frightened of family/personal and public ridicule if they would admit their NDE story/event. We know this because some often wait decades and finally come out and admit it. Therefore it is logical to believe there are many other experiencers who never came out and admitted their NDE due to that they died before they were about to do so, or they simply chose to never do so. I would wager it possible that the 30% estimation of people who have had NDEs after clinical death of over 30 seconds and we're then resuscitated is actually 100%.
Seems like when your young, you have the convenience of being " bored" and time seems to stand still. When your at a older age , you start saying " these days are running from us ! ".
I died Ann had an out of body experience and returned to my body. It was a life changing experience. I was lucid and could view the doctor and nurse trying to bring me back to life. I was able to move my mind back into my body. I now understand that your mind does not reside in the brain. Death is only a different form of reality. Jim
I died and had (not Ann) an out of body experience, sorry for the error. I did have a conversation during my out of body experience with my second self, that voice in your mind that everyone has, that voice inside that we have conversations with our selves. When I left my body my inner and I ask myself what happened, my inner voice told me I had an over dose of drugs and my body had rejected my mind. When I ask what I needed to do to fix this problem it told me I needed to get back into my body. I was able to re-enter my body before the doctor had completed the process of providing a second injection to help me. During the time, I was out of my body, I floated above my body and watched the doctor and the nurse and listened to what they were saying. My mind was outside my brain. Sorry for the original error in my text. Jim
I dont understand why people keep asking "is there life after death?" and never "is there life before birth?". Why this asymmetry? It is like people suppose once you start existing you have keep on going forever in one form or another. It does not make sense to me
The former question is meaningless, the latter is not. One asks “did I exist before I existed?”, the other “will I continue to exist after my body gives out?”.
Stefano Portoghesi As an immaterial, purely mental substance, the soul needs no material substrate to “keep it” in existence. It is as meaningless as saying “what keeps the number 4 in existence?” What is your evidence for denying the afterlife?
Stefano Portoghesi Why must there be scientific evidence? Science is one means of gaining knowledge, but not the only one; a belief in an afterlife can be based upon philosophical arguments or personal experience, both of which are valid ways of attaining knowledge. I’m not mixing physical death with mathematics, I’m showing that not every existent object requires a material substratum. Numbers exist whether the material works does or not, and equally so might the mind; at the very least it’s conceivable that we could exist without our bodies. Without oxygen your brain cannot continue to function. However, we could be something other than our brain; a soul, for example. Why should we privilege a physicalist view over an immaterial view of the mind? I don’t see why we should expect to be able to detect the dead; most religions don’t believe that the dead walk amongst us. Rather, they inhabit some sort of spiritual realm distinct from our own world; this implies that disembodied persons are inaccessible to us.
Funny also how people keep talking about the soul in singular equating one body with one soul when we have clear evidence from medicine that we can have at least two different personalities inside one body. Split brain people can even have contradictory personnalities one personality being atheist the other being religious or one personality liking to dress one way and the other personality another way. Who keeps on going in this case? Do they stay stuck together forever even after death ? How do people believing in god, the soul and the afterlife reconcile this multiple personalities fact with their worldview?
vjnt1star Recent studies have contradicted the view that the split-brain patient has two mutually inaccessible “streams of consciousness”. Though, in any case, I don’t think split-brain provides any problem for the proponent of the soul. It is wrong to think that because the soul is simple, there must be a unity to its thought,. All of its thoughts don’t have to be potentially accessible to reflection or even unreflective causal interaction.
The very fact that all cultures throughout history have believed in life after physical death makes me believe that on the level of the subconscious we all know that something happens after death. Its no coincidence that all cultures have held the belief in an afterlife.
@@Sullivancohen yes, it literally does. They say something in nature and didn't understand it. Then they made up stories about it to satisfy their curiosity. That's also how all religions were created
NDE REALITY Researchers estimate that around 17 percent of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't. Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines, and the stories are a veritable twilight zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous “tunnel”, but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXICABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS. Even children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from “death” claiming they were GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD BY STILL LIVING TEACHERS, AND NINTENDO CHARACTERS, instead of deceased relatives. HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" and WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don’t believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced God as described in the Old Testament; while Messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus. Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to go back, and that he (Jesus) would return (2nd coming) before Richard Eby died permanently. But, Dr. Richard Eby has now died, and Jesus has not returned. A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - but so far NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE. You would expect, that if any particular religious account of the afterlife were true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS, IN SAUDI ARABIA IT'S MOHAMMED, ALLAH, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real saw a Jesus with sea green-blue eyes on A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, God with BLUE EYES, YELLOW HAIR AND HUGE WINGS, and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND A RED CAP A.K.A. SANTA CLAUSE. The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand and India rarely involve landmarks, tunnels or light; for Tibetans, light features more heavily, as do illusions of reincarnation. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly, the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr’s subjective experiences can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC. - NOT JUST CULTURE. The terrain of heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, or CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS, or castles in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE; Micronesians describe large, noisy CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS. This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining, and refining in factories, the materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers, as well as developing the tools and machinery needed to manufacture? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct those cubes and cages in hell that some claim. And, exactly which of the variety of hells do you actually go to? The Christian one? Hindu? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Muslim? The answer seems to be whichever one the experiencer has been exposed to, as Thai voyagers regularly claim to encounter lord Yama and Yamatoots, and being sentenced for butchering and eating chickens. And what fuel do those spiritual cars run on? Wouldn't the hereafter then require waste disposal and a sewage system as well? Even in her rather homogenous western European clientele, Kübler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: “I never encountered a Protestant child who saw the Virgin Mary in his last minutes, yet she was perceived by many Catholic children.” But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.” Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS." Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue. There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. That could help explain why only a small percentage of people who flat line have NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
I remember there was a certain doctor or scientists named Sam Parnia who was studying NDE and he said many of the patients who had a such an experience could describe in great detail what happened even tho their brain wasn't working. He said they would continue with tests where they would have a certain message above the patients bed from a height where only if the patients really can see from above and out of their body, they would be able to read that message... this was about 3 or 4 years ago. Does anyone know a bit more about this and what his results where?
As far as I know, nobody saw targets that were put up. However they were able to describe events happening during their resuscitation. The conclusion Sam and his team reached was that awareness continues after death at least for serval minutes. I would go further than this though. People born blind can see people during their near death experience that they hadn't even known had died, yet they come back with accurate details of how they died . People also have seen things in a different room to where their body is and its verifiable and accurate . So consciousness must be fundamental in the universe
@@benji-5796 yes youtube "Near death experience blind woman sees for the first time". Her name is Vicky and she was born blind. Again, some people have accurately seen things going On in a different part of the hospital. Maria saw a tennis shoe on the hospital roof during her near death experience and the nurse went to find the shoe as described
@@elliottfireice4394 interesting, yet dr Sam parina still swings towards the fact he believes it’s an illusion and the mind playing tricks. I have spoken with people who have had NDE and OBE and they also say the same. Would Explain why the test Sam parina carried out with the cards/ images failed.
@@benji-5796 “This is significant, since it has often been assumed that experiences in relation to death are likely hallucinations or illusions, occurring either before the heart stops or after the heart has been successfully restarted, but not an experience corresponding with ‘real’ events when the heart isn’t beating. In this case, consciousness and awareness appeared to occur during a three-minute period when there was no heartbeat. This is paradoxical, since the brain typically ceases functioning within 20-30 seconds of the heart stopping and doesn’t resume again until the heart has been restarted. Furthermore, the detailed recollections of visual awareness in this case were consistent with verified events" said Dr Parnia. It's very hard to make a consensus on this, and even though there may be many interpretations, we simply cannot ignore the fact that some experiences correlate with real life events, that happened on a moment of brain shutdown. Of course, not all described experiences correlate with real events.
First he days "Most people" then when called on that he corrects to "30 percent " which clearly shows he was attempting to mislead as he knew it was only about 3 out of 10 who have these types of experiences. Putting that aside it doesn't matter if there is an afterlife,it's this life and living it to the fullest that matters.
@@suatustel746 yes, you can learn to see the truth in this lifetime. My hope is to be a "stream enterer". The buddha said that once you cross a threshold of wisdom, so to speak, you'll be "destined" for enlightenment within the next few lifetimes. His teachings are extensive, but many people sum them up as a combination of correct morality, correct meditation, and correct wisdom, all harmonizing with eachother.
@@elijahshott3931 if we are to attain ultimate truth and wisdom this point of time does also that mean we remiss reaching to Nirvana state by dint of reincarnation, as good as get better so to speak.. We all have propensities in life if you elevated by Buddha's teaching is fine for me, but I follow my gut feelings, the ethos of my moral compass, my intuition insight culminated my receptors to construe what's this all about...
The interviewee lost credibility through overt bias. He had no basis to draw sound conclusions yet was pushing a clear agenda. When we don't know the answer to a question, the honest answer is 'I don't know'. He would do well to learn that response.
@@corinelucas4061 NDE claims of life after death are extraordinary claims. Extraordinary claims - obviously - require extraordinary evidence. So the clear role of an interviewer when extraordinary claims are made is to exhibit scepticism so that the extraordinary evidence is then provided by the interviewee. The only thing missing from this process was the extraordinary evidence.
Everything in the observable universe has beginning and end. Look around you. Everything is temporal. Nothing is eternal. Why would your consciousness be eternal? This is deluded childish desire.
Eternal life is real after death of the flesh the soul or spirit continues to live. Live the best life you can live. God's Will will be done once you've completed your purpose in the flesh you'll go to your eternal home. Just believe in Jesus Christ(God Almighty), repent as much as possible daily, and look forward to going to heaven one day.
I had an NDE best Experience of my life! I was more Alive on the other side than this 10 fold… Our Creator is Amazing my experience was unexplainable..Only person who will understand is someone who had an NDE
THE NDE..... Researchers estimate that around 17 percent of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't. Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines, and the stories are a veritable twilight zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous “tunnel”, but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXICABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS. Even children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from “death” claiming they were GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD BY STILL LIVING TEACHERS, AND NINTENDO CHARACTERS, instead of deceased relatives. HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" and WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don’t believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced God as described in the Old Testament; while Messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus. Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to go back, and that he (Jesus) would return (2nd coming) before Richard Eby died permanently. But, Dr. Richard Eby has now died, and Jesus has not returned. A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - but so far NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE. You would expect, that if any particular religious account of the afterlife were true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS, IN SAUDI ARABIA IT'S MOHAMMED, ALLAH, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real saw a Jesus with sea green-blue eyes on A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, God with BLUE EYES, YELLOW HAIR AND HUGE WINGS, and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND A RED CAP A.K.A. SANTA CLAUSE. The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand and India rarely involve landmarks, tunnels or light; for Tibetans, light features more heavily, as do illusions of reincarnation. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly, the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr’s subjective experiences can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC. - NOT JUST CULTURE. The terrain of heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, or CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS, or castles in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE; Micronesians describe large, noisy CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS. This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining, and refining in factories, the materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers, as well as developing the tools and machinery needed to manufacture? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct those cubes and cages in hell that some claim. And, exactly which of the variety of hells do you actually go to? The Christian one? Hindu? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Muslim? The answer seems to be whichever one the experiencer has been exposed to, as Thai voyagers regularly claim to encounter lord Yama and Yamatoots, and being sentenced for butchering and eating chickens. And what fuel do those spiritual cars run on? Wouldn't the hereafter then require waste disposal and a sewage system as well? Even in her rather homogenous western European clientele, Kübler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: “I never encountered a Protestant child who saw the Virgin Mary in his last minutes, yet she was perceived by many Catholic children.” But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.” Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS." Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue. There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. That could help explain why only a small percentage of people who flat line have NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
Kuhn: "How do we know it isn't just anoxia and the brain? Maybe it's some sort of internal psychedelic experience..." Anoxia doesn't cause enhanced consciousness. Also, how do you explain people who die that go away from their physical body and hear conversations people are having, and see what they're doing, then when they come back they are able to validate exactly what they saw or heard? How do you explain stories like Dr. Mary Neal (spinal surgeon) who was given information that her oldest son would die, and then he dies several years later? Coincidence? Anoxia? Psychedelic trip? Nah, sorry. That isn't adding up. There are literally millions of these cases in the US alone.
Aldous Huxley requested to be under the effects of LSD at the time of death. Makes sense, because on LSD a person experiences many, shall we say 'dynamic' visions that aren't available in everyday life. I don't know if his request was granted, but I don't see why not.
Love and the communication of how important it is to maintain it. When the world's apathy, vanity and hatred outweigh Love (it now already does), then, humanity is heading on a downward slope. It CAN be reversed, but only if enough people become Enlightened in Time. However, if not... then, we're on a finite countdown which is not even bound by carbon-based resources. When Love is gone, it will not be able to be replaced with a facsimile. A society of robots (independent of any relationship to A.I.). Fair warning. 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
I once asked a Catholic priest if animals go to heaven and I received a resounding 'no'. Carl Sagan said that the DNA of a chimpanzee matches human DNA up to 97%, yet 'animals don't go to heaven'. As Carl Sagan once said, ''Better by far to face the hard truth, than a reassuring fable'',
Ask them what do people eat in Heaven, then? Or do we not eat? If we eat are we eating just fruits and vegetables? no meat? If it is meat those poor animals will get to suffer at our hands for all eternity? Questions that make them uncomfortable but the trick is that the media and the educated do not ask such questions - complicit in their murders and hate
Very interesting discussion, but unfortunately nothing remotely close to an answer. All I get out of these discussions are 1) as technology improves, what we consider dead evolves, and 2) there may be an altered state in which the brain seems "off" but its owner can temporarily still perceive things. None of this to me argues an afterlife exists. I've watched other YT vids in which near-death people from different cultures report meeting their versions of gods...
That's my major concern. The New Age crowd experiences pastures of beautiful flowers and merging with cosmic consciousness whereas the fundamentalist, right wing Christian sees streets paved with gold leading to the pearly gates and Jesus Christ having brunch with Donald Trump who sits at the right hand of God who ushers in millions of green George Washingtons falling from the sky on the heads of Machiavelli and Ayn Ryand in a capitalist paradise. And don't forget that kids see Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. That's why I tire of these incompatible stories and steer more towards the verifiable NDE's as better evidence.
@@aiahzohar5636 I hope you don't mind my asking, but you have one of the most esoteric names I've ever seen. You have an excellent command of the English language so I'm going to logically go out on a limb and say you either currently reside in the U.S. or Great Britain, but your parents or grandparents have a long history from another part of the world. On the other hand, I sort of just described every single American.
@@geralddecaire6164 Thanks, Gerald. I was born in the US but my grandparents are Scandinavian. I'll return the compliment--more and more of the world is hopping on the capitalism-at-all-costs bandwagon. So kudos to you for not blindly following suit. :)
What explanation are you looking for? Visions of seeing God or other deities or heaven? Well some ppl do claim to have experiences of seeing loved ones so perhaps you haven’t searched enough for stories that meet your satisfaction. It can be difficult to know how credible they are but regardless I think this video presents an interesting perspective.
Persons are composed of "Energy" and "Information". "Information" is "Immaterial / Non-Material". The most recent modern quantum physics discoveries are proving "matter" is actually the "illusion". The true nature of reality is the interaction of "Immaterial / Non-material" energy fields. Is there really a non-material existance? Even science can confirm that the human body is composed of many forms of energy. According to scientists, energy can neither be created nor destroyed (1st Law of Thermodynamics). So, when someone transitions from the "material" existence, his or her energy (the essence of that person) will have to continue to exist in some form. No longer in a "material" body, this energy will continue to exist in what may be referred to as a coherent field of energy (or spirit?). lord-jesus-christ.com/
@@moses777exodus So, depending on how you define death, what you are saying is nothing dies. Birds, amoebas, all living things transfer their information to a coherent field of energy? That’s possible.
@@moses777exodus You don't even understand a single word of what you're citing here. You are constantly gaining energy through food and losing energy through heat and work. Energy is a scalar, there is no "you" in it. Now information is also conserved, but when you are dead it cannot be recovered any more in a way to reconstruct you. So practically the information is lost and you stay dead.
Contemplating on those things that have life-altering meaning, especially in solitude, is what Dr. Kuhn and his program 'Closer to Truth' does for me. There's so much that transcends space-time limitations, in my opinion. These types of conversations on the show are what I like about the program. Thanks, Dr. Kuhn.
What would live? The consciousness is generated by the brain, brain gone, consciousness gone. How could they see without eyes or hear without ears? Life after death is nonsense and wishful thinking.
It is frustrating to listen to these interviews sometimes. For example with near death experiences (NDEs), two key points beyond what this guy mentioned are: 1) the relevance of the content of the experience to the life situation the experiencers are in and 2) the fact that the content of these NDEs has closure, in that they are told that they have to go back and that is when the experience ends. Dreams and hallucinations are random as far the content goes and just abruptly end with out any sort of a concluding event.
THE NDE..... Researchers estimate that around 17 percent of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't. Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines, and the stories are a veritable twilight zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous “tunnel”, but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXICABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS. Even children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from “death” claiming they were GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD BY STILL LIVING TEACHERS, AND NINTENDO CHARACTERS, instead of deceased relatives. HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" and WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don’t believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced God as described in the Old Testament; while Messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus. Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to go back, and that he (Jesus) would return (2nd coming) before Richard Eby died permanently. But, Dr. Richard Eby has now died, and Jesus has not returned. A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - but so far NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE. You would expect, that if any particular religious account of the afterlife were true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS, IN SAUDI ARABIA IT'S MOHAMMED, ALLAH, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real saw a Jesus with sea green-blue eyes on A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, God with BLUE EYES, YELLOW HAIR AND HUGE WINGS, and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND A RED CAP A.K.A. SANTA CLAUSE. The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand and India rarely involve landmarks, tunnels or light; for Tibetans, light features more heavily, as do illusions of reincarnation. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly, the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr’s subjective experiences can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC. - NOT JUST CULTURE. The terrain of heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, or CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS, or castles in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE; Micronesians describe large, noisy CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS. This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining, and refining in factories, the materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers, as well as developing the tools and machinery needed to manufacture? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct those cubes and cages in hell that some claim. And, exactly which of the variety of hells do you actually go to? The Christian one? Hindu? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Muslim? The answer seems to be whichever one the experiencer has been exposed to, as Thai voyagers regularly claim to encounter lord Yama and Yamatoots, and being sentenced for butchering and eating chickens. And what fuel do those spiritual cars run on? Wouldn't the hereafter then require waste disposal and a sewage system as well? Even in her rather homogenous western European clientele, Kübler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: “I never encountered a Protestant child who saw the Virgin Mary in his last minutes, yet she was perceived by many Catholic children.” But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.” Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS." Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue. There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. That could help explain why only a small percentage of people who flat line have NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
Great video. But one thing: the awareness of death doesn't change people who never experienced a close up with it or those who define themselves essentially through their material achievements. I know someone who even uses his awareness of death to double down on his materialist instincts: he's meticulously planning how each member of HIS family will inherit or not from his wealth. He's controlling the assets with an obsessive attention, behaving like a God, bestowing or withdrawing his wealth according to his self centered values. The kind of man who's awareness of death has no real transformative power. So, our awareness of death only benefits those who are already on a spiritual journey.
NDEs can not be hallucinations. If they were, they had to be much more different contentually and they had to occur also during real, pathogenic hallucinations. If they were just dreams and hallucinations, the experiencers could comprehend that. Every sceptic, who has an NDE, immediately turns into a „believer“, which actually means he is a „knower“.
You are right🤔when I dream something and when I wake up I dont believe that what my dream showed me. But this NDE has to be so real that it is really real
>had to be much more different contentually How so? It's exactly what we would expect. There has never been anyone, who got any new information after an "NDE". It's always cliche notions of dualism and afterlife, fitting to the cultural background of the person experiencing it. >Every sceptic, who has an NDE, immediately turns into a „believer“ That doesn't happen. Believers have NDE's corresponding to their cultural backgrounds. There has never been a case of someone finding out anything new in an "NDE".
I think the out of body experiences that Dr. Walsh points to show that we have a soul or spirit in addition to our physical body. Indeed, the Bible states that God is spirit. This was a very interesting interview.
There are enough evidence to support the claim, According to the Dr. Jim tucker MD and in his many cases of child's past Life memories, James leininger is the finest evidence.
When I found this channel I was really frightened about this topic, it made it easier for me to somehow be able to agree with myself that one day I will die, I love life and we age fast, if we can biologically stop or reduce the aging process this would be the way forward in life. If you agree like
I’m all for longer lifespans, and I think we will achieve them for people in early middle age and younger today. I don’t think it will take away from the meaning of life. I think it will give us more time to figure things out. So many of us make one or two critical mistakes in our lives and boom a decade or two is gone. And we learned nothing from that. So yeah if we all got 200 years on this planet it might really help us mature as a species.
@@squamish4244 Hi I agree with you at our current stage we all know most cases a person is born, goes college waste their youth away learning most things that don't even come useful in life then they go university and work based on the role they chose at university, by the time they are 50-60 they regret their youth and know death is around the corner this is very sad concept to know you have little time to make things right when your young although your bound to make mistakes when you are young as it's part of learning process, if we had a chance to live 200+ or whenever we do not want to live it will allow humans to help each other develop the world to be a better place I always believed and will believe useful knowledge always gets recycled and passed around so imagine if you was 300 years old what you would have learned by then!
@@MRLFMAO My adolescence and young adulthood were lost to OCD, which I got when I was 16, a terrifying experience on psychedelics that shattered my sense of reality at 27 and a doctor-prescribed addiction to anti-anxiety drugs (thanks, doc - a**hole) at 28. My career and relationship were destroyed, I stupidly blew chances with other women because I was so anxious, and I have no partner or children. I'm finally beating the drugs now, ironically with psychedelic therapy (!), but I'm 44. Those critical things that happened to me were not of my doing. I want my youth back. If anti-aging medicine comes along that can do that, of course I'll take it. And there's a great deal I've learned that I can pass on to other people - these days I help others to avoid the same mistakes I made so they don't lost out on 25 years like I did.
@@squamish4244 Hey thanks for opening up it takes a lot to accept that you lost time in life, I am going through similar stage what you did when you was my age, I am 29 at the moment 30 in September I have no wife or kids, I been going through drugs and alcoholism on top of my social anxiety so that really ruined my part of young life going out enjoying talking to people. There are many downsides in this life my friend. It takes a lot to fight back but once you get to the other bright side you will be doing good in life, I wish you all the best and I hope we will meet again in 2077 either half human half robots or rejuvenated younger. I strongly believe we might be the last generation not to survive seeing the breakthrough which is so sad pal. I really wish more people could start working towards this longevity rather than waste your life away for nothing
@@MRLFMAO "30 in September" lol you mean in four months? Dude you got 15 years on me, okay you wasted your 20s but you're hopefully on top of things now, you got lots of time, if I could do it over...
In the 80s my father laying in the bed with my mother watching tv It was around 8 pm, next to the bed they had a pile of cassette tapes under the table. And suddenly there was that sound you hear when cassettes tower fall over and my mother says the cassettes just fell, but when my father looked at them they were in place and a few minutes later the same sound but it turned out that the cassettes are fine. They couldn't understand why they hear this sound but cassettes are in place. After about 2 hours a doorbell rings, and when my father opened the door, it turned out that a postman came with a telegram in which it was written that his brother died 2 hours ago.
The question of whether there is life after death is singularly, to me, the most important question we can ever ask. It is actually the question that gave fruitition to all the worlds religions and manipulated humanity in so many different ways. I think about it constantly and have an inate desire of knowing. Why are we here and where are we going?
What a waste of time. The answer is obviously that when your brain is mush, you're dead and you will stay dead. There is no way for anyone to reconstruct you at that point.
To Jewelry Bag. Since the question you ask is very important, not only to you but to millions of people around the world, don't you think that if there is a God, he would answer it?
This is what I believe happens when we die when we die I believe we are permanently gone forever and there no heaven, no hell, no reincarnation and no illusions. Once we die that’s it we are permanently dead forever
Walsh says 30% of people being resuscitated have NDE's?! Then why does the research (Wiki it) show 4-15%? I think Walsh is having an out of statistical sample experience.
Hold on, I firmly believe and have witnessed that dogs absolutely have an awareness of death. So, please, everyone, quit with the dissocciative speak! ... everything is connected. We all come from the same place and are all headed the same place. My opinion ... it seems logical and sure, mysterious. You will never convince me that we are separate from other animals. They love, hurt, posses great intelligence. Don't get so hung up on physical differences for they mean little.
@@roberthutchins4297 he prbly know bcuz he might have done his research and learned some science, and is prbly not an ignorant dumbed down sheep like most of society is.
It's not this partparticular video,, but in other ones the interviewees mention all religions excluding Hinduism while explaining the same concepts that form the core of Hinduism! Not sure if its deliberate or not..
Our dark skin is a problem - we don't count - there is racism in these ideas and of course only the western Abrahamic views matter Compared to Hinduism, Christianity & Islam are simple, primitive religions God is like a King, Dictator - get down on our knees, swear loyalty(belief) & obedience, serve only one master (one God) and pleased, he will reward us with the easy good life in Heaven NOT ONE ASKS - ARE THERE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE RIGHT NOW JUST CHILLING IN HEAVEN, SITTING ABOUT SHAMELESSLY SPONGING OFF GOD, DOING NOTHING, AN IDLE EXISTENCE FOR ETERNITY? HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? HOW IS THIS THE GRAND PLAN OF GOD? AMAZING TO SEE THIS KIND OF BRAINWASHING
What is real? The physical life we live and experience or the dreams we have when our minds are at rest? Dreams/Visions change the way we live for majority of people
Let me guess... it is our experience, since we can share those experiences with others to verify that they observe the same things we do... Now that was easy.
We don't understand time. I think we go back right where we started. Sometimes we have recalls they call it deja vu. I know psychiatrists disagree with me.
The best way I can describe this reality is..... You are not in this reality you are the reality. No, Your not even the reality. Let's just say everything is already fulfilled and complete. What this reality is? or why we even have the experience of a reality Is not knowable. And there is no such thing as non-duality. The illusion of the self experiences reality after it has happened, And the illusion is that you experience it as the now moment. This also gives you the illusion of freewill. The illusion of separation is "What Is" trying to find "What Is" When it is already everything and nothing at the same time. No gold no saviors no heaven no hell (NOTHING) when the dream is over. There is nothing outside of the dream, The self and awareness are illusions of the mind, Every night you go to sleep most or some of the time you reach a point of deep sleep. This is when you are not aware of anything/nothing/No-Thing, Not even the mind. Deep sleep state is same as death.
Except with death, you don't seem to wake up, and you can't recall ever having experienced it before. Deep sleep is the same as non-existence, which is what this question revolves around. Is it the same as death?
I don't know what comes after death, none of us do. We can speculate and cling to ancient text's, but all the same, these are just pondering's of people who are or where, still alive. I think that death is the great motivator of the living, it put's us in a boundary that forces us to do meaningful thing's for those of us who have more expected time than other's do. I have no recollection of any kind of consciousness before birth,and it gives me the idea that death will be much the same. I started to really wonder about this after my having surgery on my neck and was under general anesthetic. I was talking to the nurse in one room and what seemed like less than a second I was in another room with the DR. saying " All done". Where did my mind go during that period , it came back afterward intact, with all my memories still there. I don't recall having any dream's during that time, so did my mind just shut off because of the drug's ? I can't even say that people who experience NDE's are reporting actual thing's that happened during their experience, could their mind's have been manipulated by trauma to the brain or the effect's of lack of oxygen or blood ? I understand the want to go on living and gathering experience ,but what I don't understand is the very real need for some people to only accept that life or consciousness continue's after death. IMO I think ( I could be wrong) that when we die we simply shut off, and revert back to the nothingness that was before birth. It would be great for it to be true that we shift consciousness to a new body after death, as in the case of reincarnation, but our bodies now are not even the same bodies we where born with , all of our cell's have been replaced with new one's except for certain cell's in the brain that do not regenerate. I think that this pondering death is a normal part of life, only we need to stop putting unrealistic idea's behind the meaning of death.
I think you are right in that we just shut off and all the time that passes becomes like 13.7 billion years that passed without us feeling it because we were not and we will not be there again. However if there is a creator who wants us resurrected then it also can happen but the question is then again one of faith alone and no scientific evidence at all.
I am not sure how much more evidence science needs to conclude that consciousness is non physical The biological and anthropology evidence though very feeble is taken as evidence
Haha! We cannot agree on what is "life" , so you know there is no consensus on what is "death". Last time I checked those two concepts are up for grabs! Anybody and everybody's grandma has got an opinion. For all we know both may be an illusion!
I watched all the videos on "life after death" on Closer to Truth. None of these philosophers have any idea what's going on. Very sad. But, it's a good representation of where the world is religiously. An ignorant mess. For the materialist host, who's terrified of death, don't worry you will go on, one way or another. Its unadvoidable. 😊
1995 GetJiggyWitIt as I said it’s nonsense. When you’re dead, you’re dead. You won’t know that you’re dead. It will only be difficult for others just like when you’re stupid.
Near Death means no death occurred. It is like I'm near pregnant. If someone registered medically as dead and show up the day after asking for coffee, then we'll talk about life after death or souls and other goblins.
The Bible explains that death defines nonexistence: Psalms 146:4- His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish. Ecclesiastes 12:7-Then the dust returns to the earth, just as it was, and the spirit returns to the true God who gave it. To mention just two verses. Those who believe they had died, never lost the spirit of life (yet).
I had a severe heart attack and lost vitals in the ambulance on the way to hospital, i required a quadruple bypass, and i had one of these out of body experiences while i was technically 'dead' for 90 seconds, when i recovered and looked back on it and talked about it with my family i felt very emotional, but i do not think it was truly a sign of life after death, i think it's just the brain hallucinating while losing oxygen. The experience didn't cause me to change my life or values. Albiet my main focus in life has always been love and my family to begin with.
Cardiac arrest or heart stopping is not being dead. The brain, the organs, take some time to start dying. Bringing someone back from being dead is defined wrong. They never left yet. The experiences during the process of dying might just be a real way our body evolved to lay us to rest as peacefully as it can. The reason many who come back that reevaluate their lives never really truly thought about death until that very moment. Reality sets in and they finally realize they aren’t immortal. They won’t live forever. And that’s a real kick to take. If anything, these wake up calls for these people are only proof life after death isn’t real. Because it’s irony really. If you indeed went to the afterlife, why sort any life decisions here on earth after you’re back? Why does it matter if afterlife is real?
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If there is no soul, everything in every possible reality instantly does not matter because nooone will learn anything. Wow what a great world. Nothing matters. That's how reality probably is. Maybe have some respect for infinite complexity or reality and make the assumption that infinite greatness is not trash?
I don't think an altered state can explain veridical NDEs or shared death experiences, can it? There are all the other lines of evidence as well. I feel that too much of the discussion focuses solely on NDEs in terms of proving or disproving life after death. Just my opinion!
@@denz9008 there are enough evidence to support the claim, According to the Dr. Jim tucker MD and in his many cases of child's past Life memories, James leininger is the finest evidence.
I don't agree with the awareness of death part. Some animals have shown to have it such as elephants and tigers. They clearly have a conscious concept of death though nothing scientific or entirely explanatory.
the very question a tortolagy ..there cannot be life after death unless you didn't really die.The question is nonsensical,.not to mention the ignorance of a decades old well known fact.It has been proven beyond doubt that we humans are part of the family known as the great apes.It includes apes,gorillas,banoboes,orangatans,chimpanzees and humans.we are all cousins.we have a common ancestor.there were several other humanoid species who were our relatives too but became extint some 40 thousand years ago.chimpanzees are our closest cousins,with whom we share 99.6 percent DNA.there are 7 million species on earth that live,die and are no more.to suggest that one species of the ape family can become exempt from dying by appealing to an invisible,undetectable,celestial dictator is plainly ridiculous. anyone who thinks that they are somehow more special than any other member of any other species surely has a self centeredness problem.
the personality changes in people who have reported a near death experience are identical to the changes many people claim to go through after taking DMT...
Being dead means not being alive. The question is are people secretly and magically still alive when they appear to be dead and decomposed. The answer is obviously no.
Funny slip of the tongue when Robert says “We continue to pursue it with passion and determinism”. He meant to say determination, but his materialist bias shines through.
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Why doesn’t he hammer home the point that people can literally see what is going on in the operating room and even other rooms, even when they are supposedly brain dead and their eyes presumably closed. The mind is capable of percieving independent of the brain, case closed. Whether that means there is an afterlife, I don’t know, but it’s indicative of it.
I like listening to the questions asked and the answers given. But this episode shows the material biases of Robert in a new light. Robert actually got passionate when Roger gave some evidence that challenged the materialistic, non spiritual point of view that something can survive death. Robert almost became indignant, and it looked like the position that he held -- a doctor of the mind based on science and the community of brilliant people that hold scientific beliefs -- could be challenged by Roger's studies that also looked quite scientific. I know we all have biases, but Roger actually got under Robert's skin to shake those biases using scientific methods and principals. Robert usually gives a preamble stating how he is looking forward to people challenging his beliefs, that he really wants to believe in God and life after death. But when he is given good evidence, as in this case, it disturbs his material biases and almost ejects him from the club of distinguished, brilliant men of science. He can't provide an adequate retort and save himself from the humiliation of not having a better materialistic "scientific" response. Anyway, I don't want to seem too harsh and I think Robert is doing a wonderful job making this series. I enjoy these videos a lot.
I don't think so. I think Robert always plays the devil's advocate to whomever he interviews. When he's talked to materialist nujobs like Daniel Dennett (not all materialists are nuts, just Dennett), he also argues on the opposite side. It's why I enjoy his show so much.
@@keithrelyea7997 I mean sure, if that cheers you up bud. Dennett is not taken seriously by philosophers of mind. His basic tenet is that consciousness is an illusion, and not real, but he's counting on you to use your very real money and decision-making ability to buy his books and inflate his very real bank account. Talk about absurdist.
THE NDE EVIDENCE Researchers estimate that around 17 percent of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't. Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines, and the stories are a veritable twilight zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous “tunnel”, but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXICABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS. Even children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from “death” claiming they were GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD BY STILL LIVING TEACHERS, AND NINTENDO CHARACTERS, instead of deceased relatives. HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" and WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don’t believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced God as described in the Old Testament; while Messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus. Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to go back, and that he (Jesus) would return (2nd coming) before Richard Eby died permanently. But, Dr. Richard Eby has now died, and Jesus has not returned. A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - but so far NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE. You would expect, that if any particular religious account of the afterlife were true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS, IN SAUDI ARABIA IT'S MOHAMMED, ALLAH, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real saw a Jesus with sea green-blue eyes on A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, God with BLUE EYES, YELLOW HAIR AND HUGE WINGS, and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND A RED CAP A.K.A. SANTA CLAUSE. The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand and India rarely involve landmarks, tunnels or light; for Tibetans, light features more heavily, as do illusions of reincarnation. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly, the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr’s subjective experiences can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC. - NOT JUST CULTURE. The terrain of heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, or CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS, or castles in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE; Micronesians describe large, noisy CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS. This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining, and refining in factories, the materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers, as well as developing the tools and machinery needed to manufacture? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct those cubes and cages in hell that some claim. And, exactly which of the variety of hells do you actually go to? The Christian one? Hindu? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Muslim? The answer seems to be whichever one the experiencer has been exposed to, as Thai voyagers regularly claim to encounter lord Yama and Yamatoots, and being sentenced for butchering and eating chickens. And what fuel do those spiritual cars run on? Wouldn't the hereafter then require waste disposal and a sewage system as well? Even in her rather homogenous western European clientele, Kübler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: “I never encountered a Protestant child who saw the Virgin Mary in his last minutes, yet she was perceived by many Catholic children.” But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.” Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS." Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue. There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. That could help explain why only a small percentage of people who flat line have NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
We cling to the notion of an afterlife simply because we are afraid of the unknown and the unknowable - religion simply piles on the fear with the notion of eternal punishment in hell
As per Quran everyone has to taste death where as soul is immortal. Will be resurrected as on the day of judgement. Will be rewarded as per the deeds in world and eternal life afterwards started.
how can it JUST be an altered state ? i dont get that. not when someone comes back, and then tells the doctor what he said. that is comparable to someone claiming they were abducted by aliens, but at the same time having an alien artifact in their hands. you cant just sweep the artifact under the table, as if it didnt exist. and you cant sweep the person's knowledge about what the doctor said during resuscitation under the table, either.
I am always amazed by those who say there is no evidence when what is really meant is, I haven't looked, I am not going to look, but I will make comments, from baseless assumptions.
@@roberthutchins4297 Ayo bro . Go ahead gamble it . It’s going to be your problem. Stop the hate in that heart of yours. And go educate yourself . Ask yourself the real questions.. the one you’re scared of. Bye ignorant human.
We look all of the time. Some damage to the brain makes it work worse. More damage makes it work even worse still. You are saying that if the brain is destroyed it suddenly works perfectly again. It's pure nonsense.
God is light: 1 John 1:5 “This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.” God is love: 1 John 4:8 “Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.” Satan is the counterfeit deceiver and is hate: 2 Corinthians 11:14 “And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” NDEs provide evidence (including corroborative evidence) that the mind/consciousness continues to exist upon physical death. Christianity provides the best interpretation of NDEs. Demons can impart false knowledge to people. That is why scripture says to test the spirits against the truth of God’s word. Jesus said that he is the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father expect through him. God showed his love to the whole world that he gave his only Son to die in your place so that you may have eternal life. Repent and place your faith in Jesus to receive this gift.
is it just me or does the interviewer ask questions almost sarcastically? It seems like he wants to discredit anything Roger says, it is very annoying to watch. I keep rooting for Roger! The way he has demonstrated diplomacy and yet him being open minded in his views is extremely admirable.
This guy conducts many interviews, and always seems to have that way about him as if he erroneously believes he knows different but will ask the questions anyway.
Haha yes me too. Especially the argument, 'anything people experienced that doesn't align with my assumptions about life must be due to brain damage or psychosis'
IN heart arrest cases some patients see and hear things and actions in the operating room or emergency ward after their brains stops functioning as a result of complete lack of blood flow into it that are later verified by doctors and nurses that were there . The flatlining of the brain after a few seconds of lack of blood flow is established fact .
We can not "know" anything for sure. But, what we can say is that there are an infinite number of ways things could logically possibly be, but only one way things actually are. That is why the burden of proof always resides on the side of someone making a specific claim. In the case of NDEs there are perfectly sensible explanations within what we already know about neurobiology, so it doesn't make much sense to propose some supernatural realm that we have no sensible reason to believe exists... Occam's razor is a powerful way to dispell bullshit: Don't multiply entitities beyond necessity! And finally one should always be especially skeptical of self serving beliefs, because wishful thinking and confirmation bias is a big part of why the rigor of science is necessary in the first place.
@@roqsteady5290 I don't think you can not really "know" that any of what you just said is really so. For example, we don't know if there is only one way things actually are. It is possible that Occam's razor is not as powerful as people think, and that it results in missing or distorting much of reality.
@@novvt7079 true that, NDEs are special experiences that shouldn't be remembered due to brain inactivity, but somehow are remembered. I believe that it takes a special soul to clearly remember the crossing over experience. Its not just a given.
I couldn't understand why these scientist still associate these experience with our material brain and brain Anoxia, while these people who are already have flat lined their brain and heart are not perceiving anything from the bodily senses but experiencing from outside body.
Check and see.... Researchers estimate that around 17 percent of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't. Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines, and the stories are a veritable twilight zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous “tunnel”, but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXICABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS. Even children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from “death” claiming they were GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD BY STILL LIVING TEACHERS, AND NINTENDO CHARACTERS, instead of deceased relatives. HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" and WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don’t believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced God as described in the Old Testament; while Messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus. Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to go back, and that he (Jesus) would return (2nd coming) before Richard Eby died permanently. But, Dr. Richard Eby has now died, and Jesus has not returned. A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - but so far NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE. You would expect, that if any particular religious account of the afterlife were true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS, IN SAUDI ARABIA IT'S MOHAMMED, ALLAH, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real saw a Jesus with sea green-blue eyes on A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, God with BLUE EYES, YELLOW HAIR AND HUGE WINGS, and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND A RED CAP A.K.A. SANTA CLAUSE. The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand and India rarely involve landmarks, tunnels or light; for Tibetans, light features more heavily, as do illusions of reincarnation. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly, the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr’s subjective experiences can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC. - NOT JUST CULTURE. The terrain of heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, or CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS, or castles in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE; Micronesians describe large, noisy CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS. This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining, and refining in factories, the materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers, as well as developing the tools and machinery needed to manufacture? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct those cubes and cages in hell that some claim. And, exactly which of the variety of hells do you actually go to? The Christian one? Hindu? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Muslim? The answer seems to be whichever one the experiencer has been exposed to, as Thai voyagers regularly claim to encounter lord Yama and Yamatoots, and being sentenced for butchering and eating chickens. And what fuel do those spiritual cars run on? Wouldn't the hereafter then require waste disposal and a sewage system as well? Even in her rather homogenous western European clientele, Kübler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: “I never encountered a Protestant child who saw the Virgin Mary in his last minutes, yet she was perceived by many Catholic children.” But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.” Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS." Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue. There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. That could help explain why only a small percentage of people who flat line have NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
Hello Sir, there is life after death, our purpose here on earth is just to learn and be clean ( mean no sin ) you lived from what you learn and die no sin so that you can go back to your creator. Always remember you conscience is your soul ! Lord Jesus, is the perfect example. Thank you !
Read and notice at the end that he had a changed life too: IANDS - "I was hit by a car while riding my motorcycle. I died on the operating table. I went through the dark into the light - a soft bluish light. An entity (Jesus to me) was of the light, and the light was a doorway. I was not in this body, but I was as normal as my body here. We spoke without speaking. Joy was all over me. I was relieved to know it is real! Jesus said, "I know it hurts and I know it is bad. You have not done what you said you would do and must go back." I refused. Jesus said, "You will come here, just not now…not yet. I am sorry." Then I was on the operating table and heard someone say, "We got him” and then "Oh my God he is awake.” I AM NOW AN ORDAINED MINISTER AND I PREACH. I WAS SHOWN THERE IS NO HELL. We all go home." I'll give you another Jesus story...NDERF - Karen: "She took me and placed me in a crystal-like bed and told me to rest because there were beings who wanted to honor and welcome me. I saw beings cued up to greet me. I spied Jesus among them and immediately felt as though something was wrong. I asked the being who brought me, how it was that Jesus wants to honor me. I told her that I was afraid that putting myself at the same level as Jesus would damn me to hell. SHE LAUGHED AND TOLD ME THERE IS NO HELL. We are all equal in spirit form." Or why do you reject this one? Mac Wright: “Everyone goes to the same place. This includes Billy Graham, Hitler, and Jeffery Dahmer.” What about this story, from a lady who was trafficked starting at 2 years old, and had a drowning NDE...Anne Murphy: "All there was, was the most unconditional love, compassion, pure and total acceptance with no judgement at all. I WAS SHOWN THAT THERE IS NO JUDGEMENT AND NO HELL, NO OPINIONS, NO PUNISHMENT, not like what we are taught here, about a judgemental God and being sent to hell if you're bad, that was not the case. There was no judgement at all from the beings with me or from within myself. It was total compassion, and then remembering I chose my earthly experience. It was just an experience. Love is what we all are. THERE WAS NO SEPARATE GOD KEEPING SCORE AND DOLING OUT JUDGEMENTS AND PUNISHMENTS. THERE WAS NOTHING TO FORGIVE IN THAT STATE OF BEING. There was nothing negative, no shame, guilt, or sense of not being worthy. And I saw that for everybody. THERE WAS NO COMPARISON IN THAT STATE, SO EVERYTHING IS ACCEPTED COMPLETELY. THERE'S NO GREATER THAN, LESS THAN, OR SCORE KEEPING. I saw in my NDE that whether people loved or hated something about me in this human experience, was exactly the same. It was completely neutral. And they showed me what can happen to some people...some people can have a "hellish"" kind of experience...what I saw is that that is when people are still kind of stuck between the human and the...like they haven't fully let go of all the human stuff. Which was self imposed, they believe they need to be judged or they think that's the truth, so that happens. Because we're required to drop it all. It all goes when we return to our true being, our true essence, our true home. Earth is all about contrast. Who we really are is unconditional love. My very abusive adoptive father died on the 28 of June this year and I helped him. He was terrified he was going to "the other place", but in the weeks before, we had many discussions where I reminded him of his true self, what was waiting for him when he "goes home", and that it was not necessary for him to judge himself and become stuck in some "hell" like state, and he didn't. Right at the moment he passed, his true essence was with me, no longer the human and it was pure unconditional love and it went through me and I knew his true being. It was incredible. I shared his death experience with him. He had everyone waiting for him, but I couldn't go in. There's always a barrier. Only those moving fully into "death" pass that barrier." How about another one? N. Danison: "I very very slowly got out of my body, and then I popped out and I was standing in front of it going 'what? I didn't know you could do that'. And then I saw blackness. But I wasn't afraid, it was comforting, it was comforting darkness. And then I saw a pinpoint of light and I said to myself 'oh I know what this is, I'm supposed to go to the light.' I WENT AND FELT WAVE AFTER WAVE OF UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, AND ACCEPTANCE, AND JOY. I started getting downloads of everything there was to know or could ever be known on lots of different topics. I had 360 degree vision. I did a couple experiments and proved to myself that just thinking a word manifested that environment. I saw five beautiful colored lights that I knew the names of. It was the first time I ever really felt home. I had a life review. I got the answers to all my questions. I was raised a catholic and was told that's the one true religion. I was angry. I couldn't imagine why anybody taught me this intricate religion when there wasn't a bit of it that was true, and I had just gotten the truth literally right from the source. God is all knowing, unconditionally loving. THERE IS NO HELL. I remembered Source creating the universe and THERE WAS NO HELL CREATED. And then also Source told me THERE'S NO HELL. WE DO NOT HAVE TO EARN HEAVEN. We do not enter into human life to evolve, to learn how to love, or to learn how to be more spiritual. We souls are already pieces of Source/God’s own self-awareness and cannot get more evolved, loving, or spiritual than while in our spiritual state. ALL PEOPLE RETURN TO THE SAME PLACE AFTER DEATH. 'Knowing' informed me that when a being like me enters into a human as its soul, only part of its total energy does so. The rest of the being's energy stays in the Light and continues to evolve as it observes the soul part's experiences." Need more? R. Moreno: "I'm N. American and experienced an NDE. I WAS TOLD there is no religion and NO HELL. I was shown many things. It has not been easy being here as I didn't want to come back." Have another one....A. Johnson: "I can tell you one thing for sure, THERE WAS NO JUDGEMENT. THERE WAS NOTHING I HAD EVER DONE THAT WASN'T COMPLETELY FORGIVEN, AND 'FORGIVEN' IN THAT CONTEXT MEANT IT WAS GONE. It did not exist. GOD WASN'T HOLDING ME ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT, God was loving me right through it, and IT WAS TOTAL AND COMPLETE FORGIVENESS. We dont have to prove ourselves to be loved by God. What I learned on the other side is that THERE'S NO JUDGEMENT ON US, NONE, ZIP, NADA. IN THE OTHER REALM THERE'S NO JUDGEMENT BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO JUDGE. We're all pure unconditional love. THERE'S NO HELL, THERE'S NO PUNISHMENT. When you realize there's nothing to forgive, then there's nothing to punish either."
Do you reject this one also? B. Macrelli: "I too have died and brought back by doctors. In 2009 I was kidnapped and stabbed four times in the chest and died. I didn't feel it and was unaware that I was even stabbed, my spirit left my body and it was the best feeling in the world. Completely free, and you're right THERE IS NO HELL. And I have also learned that religions are hard wired into the brain according to your culture. It is so tragic that people live their entire lives in fear of something they will never encounter." Here's another one for you...L. Mason: "I died. Time froze. Met God that appeared as a pure white light. Let me ask questions. Told me I had to return. Pushed me down with a hand on my left. Earth is a play pen. THERE'S NO HELL. WE ARE ALL FORGIVEN WHEN WE DIE. We all are connected when we die. In human bodies that link is very faint. That is the hole we try to fill with money/drugs/addiction." Should I keep going? Here's another one for you....Anita Moorjani: "IS THERE A HELL? This is a question I get asked over and over...and THE ANSWER IS HELL NO! I often marvel at how inventive we humans are and at all the stories we’ve created over the millennia to explain what happens to us after death. I was extremely fearful of death before my NDE. I was afraid of karma, and in fact, I believed that my cancer was caused by karma. When I was on the other side, I expected to get punished for all the things I did wrong. I thought there was judgement for all the things we had done wrong. BUT INSTEAD THERE WAS COMPASSION AND UNDERSTANDING FOR WHY I DID WHAT I DID. The souls that cross over take with them their education from their time on earth, as experiences are not judged any more than people are. I understood clearly that there is no judgement on the other side, THERE IS NO MORAL HAMMER THAT IS DROPPED; I saw clearly that this is a human device used by other humans to make us fall in line with the moral majority. Since there is no judgement on the other side, there is no punishment. We gain an understanding of the effects we had on everyone else, but before we are pulled into the human drama of regret or guilt, we are uplifted to understand that we are not judged. We are left with a complete understanding from the other side that there is nothing but love for our souls, and our lives as they were. There is a great section in my book where I address this topic. The section is called "Judgement Day Cometh Not". I WOULD NEVER USE THE PHRASE 'BAD KARMA', AS I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS SUCH A THING. I simply believe all aspects of life are needed to create the whole. Neither do I believe anymore that we live out all our lives sequentially in linear time, which is the framework that many people have for their ideas about karma. In the NDE state, however, I realized that every moment in all our lives-past, present, future - unknown, unknown, and unknowable-exist simultaneously, as though outside of what we know as time." I'll keep going....B. Elsworth: "But personally, through my own NDE, I remember coming back and as beautiful and shocking to my ego as the experience was, I remember driving in my car and laughing to myself thinking, "Well I wish I could tell my younger self he's NOT GOING TO HELL, BECAUSE THERE IS NONE!" YOU CAN'T DO ANY WRONG...even (ra*e + mu*der + the hol*caust) in God's perspective, but that's not a license to do crazy stuff, "God" is just that unconditionally loving. HE CAN'T EVEN FORGIVE YOU, BECAUSE YOU CAN DO NO WRONG. We truly are inseparable from boundless infinite love." Notice this one...Andrew Petro: "I didn't want to come back. I said I'm home and I want to stay here. I was stuffed back into my body, which by this time was found at the bottom of the lake, dragged up onto the beach, and my friends were on top of me pushing the water out of my lungs. When I popped back into my body, I immediately started coughing the water up from my lungs. When I was in the light and I was observing all my life's activities, THERE WAS NOT JUDGEMENT. THERE WAS NO GOOD OR BAD. THERE WASN'T GOOD OR EVIL. THERE WASN'T RIGHT OR WRONG. And when you're in the light looking at it, its different than looking at it now. In this world when I look at some atrocities, I feel really bad about it. It's a different type of feeling when you're in the light. It's observing and understanding you would not do that again. It's like looking at your life and being able to walk away from it like you would an intense movie. None of my religious experience was there. I was with the light. THERE WAS NO JUDGEMENT, THERE WAS NO HELL, THERE WAS NO GOOD AND BAD, THERE WAS NO BIG TALLY IN THE SKY, there was just the light consuming me with unconditional love. In which I was able to consume everyone else with unconditional love."
Here you are....Jen: "I had an NDE and was told HELL IS JUST AN ILLUSION, only love is real. Believe what you must." Want another one? Here....Anastasia: "Time didn't exist here at all. It was as if I was one with everything. All I had to do was shift my awareness to something and I would know it. We are a soul in a physical body and OUR PHYSICAL BODIES ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A SENSORY TOOL FOR US TO COLLECT SENSORY INFORMATION ABOUT THE PHYSICAL EXPERIENCE, and that it gets shared at the soul level because the soul ultimately wants to have a physical experience, and be able to create here in a physical life. The soul is absolutely complete. With that completeness, it meant THERE WAS NO GOOD OR BAD, NO RIGHT OR WRONG, AND THERE ARE NO LESSONS TO LEARN in the physical life IN A WAY THAT TRANSLATES TO THE TYPE OF EXPERIENCE OR A JUDGEMENT THAT YOU MAY HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE. Actions did not translate to anything that meant that you would be judged, and that judgement is not like a sorting tool, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO INTO THIS PLACE OR THAT PLACE BASED ON YOUR ACTIONS. It's not like we're trying to check boxes here to get into an afterlife that we ultimately want to have. It felt very much like we are learning to bring that bliss that's a part of us at the soul level into our physical experience. More?...D. Bullock: "On the other side, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER, ITS JUST AN EXPERIENCE, it's just perception. So what we consider 'oh that was wrong', 'that person was wrong', it's a joke, THEY WERE PLAYING A ROLE. They decided to be...Napoleon...so they did what Napoleon does, war, and all kinds of other stuff. BUT WHEN THAT ROLE IS FINISHED, GUESS WHO THEY ARE? LOVE. They're a soul." Must I continue on further?...J. Olson: "There was this divine presence coming up behind me. This wise cosmic presence. I'm thinking 'oh my goodness, that's God coming.' And then the guilt began to bubble up again. I had the thought 'I hope I can be forgiven.' I was fearful, very fearful. That's when the download came...truth and wisdom and light and love. The first thing that was communicated was THERE'S NOTHING TO FORGIVE. Everything's in perfect divine order. And I thought 'how can that be?' My life was presented before my eyes. There were these things that I was saying 'no no that was a mistake'. I WAS TOLD THERE ARE NO MISTAKES, YOUR LIFE IS PERFECT. I would say 'that was wrong, I knew it was wrong and I did it anyway.' THIS BEAUTIFUL BEING COMMUNICATED, THOSE ARE YOUR JUDGEMENTS OF IT, NOT OURS, WE LOVE YOU. It was this unconditional outpouring of love. BUT I KNEW IF THAT WAS TRUE OF ME, IT WAS TRUE OF EVERY ONE OF US. I WAS BEING SHOWN THAT IT WASN'T MY FAULT THAT I'M A HUMAN BEING CAPABLE OF HURTING PEOPLE, THAT THAT'S ENDEMIC IN WHAT IT IS TO BE A HUMAN BEING...IF YOU'RE A HUMAN BEING, YOU'RE GOING TO HURT PEOPLE, YOU CAN'T STOP THAT. And this voice was speaking, 'I LOVE YOU, I MADE YOU, I FORGIVE YOU, I CREATED YOU, I'M CREATOR YOU ARE CREATURE, AND I LOVE YOU.' As I finally got out of the pain I caused, and listened to what was being said to me, I turned and faced Love and was forgiven and was filled with beauty, love, truth, joy, knowledge, understanding, bliss, healing, wholeness." Helen S.: "I was enveloped in a love I could not put into words. This divine love was in everything and in me. AT THE CORE OF MY BEING, I WAS THIS LOVE AND SO WAS EVERYONE ELSE. In this state of grace, THERE WAS NO RIGHT OR WRONG, NO GOOD OR BAD, AND NO JUDGEMENT WHATSOEVER. Fear was non-existent. There was no death and I knew that we all live forever." Laurie L.: "I was one with them. I looked up and saw a huge ball of light that cast the purest, warm light all around me and felt God touch my skin. He knew me, HE LOVED ME NO MATTER HOW IMPERFECT MY EARTHLY LIFE HAD BEEN." Ashley M.: "I looked into the dome and started my life review. I could witness and experience my life from many different perspectives. I felt what others felt from my actions from their point of view. It was hard to go through, but I knew it was to learn and grow from my time on earth. I remember hearing others cry, laugh, and other things, because of what they did on Earth. I WAS TOLD IT WAS OKAY, AND THAT WE ARE ALL LOVED; THAT THIS WAS NOT A JUDGEMENT. I was told that we all learn best by experiencing it ourselves. GOD DOES NOT JUDGE US." Maureen K. (suicide): "Light was clearer and brighter than I had ever seen. Colors were beyond vibrant. I felt no fear. I felt no pain. I FELT NO JUDGEMENT. I FELT NO BLAME. I FELT NO SHAME. I felt no fear here. Profound love and peace permeated every being, everywhere. What I know to be the energy of angels greeted me with the tenderest warmest energy. These angels requested that I observe and notice. I sensed that this was a space WHERE NO EARTHLY JUDGEMENT EXISTS. Love is more like endless compassion, WITHOUT JUDGEMENT. I watched as any energy of fear, blame, and doubt dissipated and dissolved instantly in this pure love that existed everywhere. They radiated and sent pure love to my Higher Heart. The pure love they sent my way INSTANTLY DISSOLVED THE SHAME AND BLAME that was forming in my Higher Heart TOWARD THE CHOICES I MADE IN MY LIFE. They thanked me telepathically and explained that all of my choices were honored. They asked me to lift my eyes and hold my head high. They affirmed that I was loved by God as they sent waves of pure love toward me. Please understand that God honors all of our choices. This was a soul contract whose terms were being honored for my Highest Good toward the Highest Good of All. NO LIMITATION OR PUNISHMENT WAS EVER INTENDED, IMPLIED OR ENACTED, EVER. I felt love throughout my entire being as the angels explained the terms of my soul agreement to me. I experienced NO JUDGEMENT OR BLAME OR PUNISHMENT WHATSOEVER in this expanded energy."
Well, once your consciousness isn’t subject to Time anymore, that would mean that whatever energy consciousness is made from escapes the body and is free to spread out across all of existence - almost as if Humans have their own Hawking Radiation!
It’s not that only 30% have them, it’s 30% that remember them. All people dream when they sleep, but depending on the arousal time from the theta and delta states can make all the difference as to whether dreams are recalled. I think it could be the same with NDE’s most experiencers usually claim they were thrust back in their bodies instantly, therefore retaining the memory of the experiences. As for NDE’s being hallucinations or dreams, two people having the same dream or hallucination would be phenomena mystery in itself, let alone what must be in the millions by now.
Great point
Absolutely. Studies indicate the average person has 4 to 7 dreams each night. We forget most of those dreams. Perhaps the same is true of near death experiences. Then again, you could argue that NDEs are so significant that we are likely to remember just like we tend to remember very significant dreams.
You are omiting the other definite factors. 1. Many of the drugs used in emergency resuscitation medicine cause memory loss. That is a fact and for sure is one of the reasons the percentages of NDE cases is not shown as a higher percentile. 2. A great number of people who have had NDEs feel ashamed, frightened of family/personal and public ridicule if they would admit their NDE story/event. We know this because some often wait decades and finally come out and admit it. Therefore it is logical to believe there are many other experiencers who never came out and admitted their NDE due to that they died before they were about to do so, or they simply chose to never do so. I would wager it possible that the 30% estimation of people who have had NDEs after clinical death of over 30 seconds and we're then resuscitated is actually 100%.
finally a good comment.
Good point
Seems like when your young, you have the convenience of being " bored" and time seems to stand still. When your at a older age , you start saying " these days are running from us ! ".
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Quite true, not all interviews are superb, but I like the deep philosophical questions.
Underrated? Or just not well known. It´s a great channel!
@@roberthutchins4297 Exactly what I was thinking, not underrated, just unknown.
Agreed
I'm 75 yrs old and I began My search for truth and meaning of life and death when I was 12.
What is your conclusion on death after so many years?
I died Ann had an out of body experience and returned to my body. It was a life changing experience. I was lucid and could view the doctor and nurse trying to bring me back to life. I was able to move my mind back into my body. I now understand that your mind does not reside in the brain. Death is only a different form of reality. Jim
Who was this Ann that took over your body?
I died and had (not Ann) an out of body experience, sorry for the error. I did have a conversation during my out of body experience with my second self, that voice in your mind that everyone has, that voice inside that we have conversations with our selves. When I left my body my inner and I ask myself what happened, my inner voice told me I had an over dose of drugs and my body had rejected my mind. When I ask what I needed to do to fix this problem it told me I needed to get back into my body. I was able to re-enter my body before the doctor had completed the process of providing a second injection to help me. During the time, I was out of my body, I floated above my body and watched the doctor and the nurse and listened to what they were saying. My mind was outside my brain. Sorry for the original error in my text. Jim
Do you know fear from death?
I did as well, but realized it was just the drugs and other things causing that experience, the brain hallucinates.
Who is Ann? Did she have an experience too
I dont understand why people keep asking "is there life after death?" and never "is there life before birth?". Why this asymmetry? It is like people suppose once you start existing you have keep on going forever in one form or another. It does not make sense to me
The former question is meaningless, the latter is not. One asks “did I exist before I existed?”, the other “will I continue to exist after my body gives out?”.
Stefano Portoghesi As an immaterial, purely mental substance, the soul needs no material substrate to “keep it” in existence. It is as meaningless as saying “what keeps the number 4 in existence?”
What is your evidence for denying the afterlife?
Stefano Portoghesi Why must there be scientific evidence? Science is one means of gaining knowledge, but not the only one; a belief in an afterlife can be based upon philosophical arguments or personal experience, both of which are valid ways of attaining knowledge.
I’m not mixing physical death with mathematics, I’m showing that not every existent object requires a material substratum. Numbers exist whether the material works does or not, and equally so might the mind; at the very least it’s conceivable that we could exist without our bodies.
Without oxygen your brain cannot continue to function. However, we could be something other than our brain; a soul, for example. Why should we privilege a physicalist view over an immaterial view of the mind?
I don’t see why we should expect to be able to detect the dead; most religions don’t believe that the dead walk amongst us. Rather, they inhabit some sort of spiritual realm distinct from our own world; this implies that disembodied persons are inaccessible to us.
Funny also how people keep talking about the soul in singular equating one body with one soul when we have clear evidence from medicine that we can have at least two different personalities inside one body. Split brain people can even have contradictory personnalities one personality being atheist the other being religious or one personality liking to dress one way and the other personality another way. Who keeps on going in this case? Do they stay stuck together forever even after death ? How do people believing in god, the soul and the afterlife reconcile this multiple personalities fact with their worldview?
vjnt1star Recent studies have contradicted the view that the split-brain patient has two mutually inaccessible “streams of consciousness”.
Though, in any case, I don’t think split-brain provides any problem for the proponent of the soul. It is wrong to think that because the soul is simple, there must be a unity to its thought,. All of its thoughts don’t have to be potentially accessible to reflection or even unreflective causal interaction.
The very fact that all cultures throughout history have believed in life after physical death makes me believe that on the level of the subconscious we all know that something happens after death. Its no coincidence that all cultures have held the belief in an afterlife.
All cultures also came up with dragons, do dragons exist?
@Jesse Ham yes
At one point or another
@@Sullivancohen yes, it literally does. They say something in nature and didn't understand it. Then they made up stories about it to satisfy their curiosity. That's also how all religions were created
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Researchers estimate that around 17 percent of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't.
Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines, and the stories are a veritable twilight zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous “tunnel”, but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXICABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS.
Even children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from “death” claiming they were GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD BY STILL LIVING TEACHERS, AND NINTENDO CHARACTERS, instead of deceased relatives.
HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" and WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don’t believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced God as described in the Old Testament; while Messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus.
Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to go back, and that he (Jesus) would return (2nd coming) before Richard Eby died permanently. But, Dr. Richard Eby has now died, and Jesus has not returned.
A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - but so far NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE.
You would expect, that if any particular religious account of the afterlife were true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS, IN SAUDI ARABIA IT'S MOHAMMED, ALLAH, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real saw a Jesus with sea green-blue eyes on A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, God with BLUE EYES, YELLOW HAIR AND HUGE WINGS, and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND A RED CAP A.K.A. SANTA CLAUSE.
The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand and India rarely involve landmarks, tunnels or light; for Tibetans, light features more heavily, as do illusions of reincarnation. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly, the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr’s subjective experiences can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC. - NOT JUST CULTURE.
The terrain of heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, or CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS, or castles in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE; Micronesians describe large, noisy CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS.
This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining, and refining in factories, the materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers, as well as developing the tools and machinery needed to manufacture? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct those cubes and cages in hell that some claim. And, exactly which of the variety of hells do you actually go to? The Christian one? Hindu? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Muslim? The answer seems to be whichever one the experiencer has been exposed to, as Thai voyagers regularly claim to encounter lord Yama and Yamatoots, and being sentenced for butchering and eating chickens. And what fuel do those spiritual cars run on? Wouldn't the hereafter then require waste disposal and a sewage system as well?
Even in her rather homogenous western European clientele, Kübler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: “I never encountered a Protestant child who saw the Virgin Mary in his last minutes, yet she was perceived by many Catholic children.”
But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.”
Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY.
Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG.
Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS."
Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue.
There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. That could help explain why only a small percentage of people who flat line have NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
I think Robert asks questions that most of us think about as we reach the absolute realization of out own mortality. Great series.
when you die, you wake up in the virtual reality machine and press retry.
Lol
What happens after you die? Everything, it just doesn’t involve you.
I remember there was a certain doctor or scientists named Sam Parnia who was studying NDE and he said many of the patients who had a such an experience could describe in great detail what happened even tho their brain wasn't working. He said they would continue with tests where they would have a certain message above the patients bed from a height where only if the patients really can see from above and out of their body, they would be able to read that message... this was about 3 or 4 years ago. Does anyone know a bit more about this and what his results where?
As far as I know, nobody saw targets that were put up. However they were able to describe events happening during their resuscitation. The conclusion Sam and his team reached was that awareness continues after death at least for serval minutes. I would go further than this though. People born blind can see people during their near death experience that they hadn't even known had died, yet they come back with accurate details of how they died . People also have seen things in a different room to where their body is and its verifiable and accurate . So consciousness must be fundamental in the universe
@@elliottfireice4394 - is this legit? They have had visually impaired people see?
@@benji-5796 yes youtube "Near death experience blind woman sees for the first time". Her name is Vicky and she was born blind. Again, some people have accurately seen things going On in a different part of the hospital. Maria saw a tennis shoe on the hospital roof during her near death experience and the nurse went to find the shoe as described
@@elliottfireice4394 interesting, yet dr Sam parina still swings towards the fact he believes it’s an illusion and the mind playing tricks. I have spoken with people who have had NDE and OBE and they also say the same. Would Explain why the test Sam parina carried out with the cards/ images failed.
@@benji-5796 “This is significant, since it has often been assumed that experiences in relation to death are likely hallucinations or illusions, occurring either before the heart stops or after the heart has been successfully restarted, but not an experience corresponding with ‘real’ events when the heart isn’t beating. In this case, consciousness and awareness appeared to occur during a three-minute period when there was no heartbeat. This is paradoxical, since the brain typically ceases functioning within 20-30 seconds of the heart stopping and doesn’t resume again until the heart has been restarted. Furthermore, the detailed recollections of visual awareness in this case were consistent with verified events" said Dr Parnia. It's very hard to make a consensus on this, and even though there may be many interpretations, we simply cannot ignore the fact that some experiences correlate with real life events, that happened on a moment of brain shutdown. Of course, not all described experiences correlate with real events.
First he days "Most people" then when called on that he corrects to "30 percent " which clearly shows he was attempting to mislead as he knew it was only about 3 out of 10 who have these types of experiences. Putting that aside it doesn't matter if there is an afterlife,it's this life and living it to the fullest that matters.
If we are annihilated at death (which I believe we are) then this life doesn't really matter. It's just a tiny pause in non-existence
My main worry, I might be reborn after death..
Me too LOL
The buddha said it's inevitable unless you complete the path to wisdom
@@elijahshott3931 could someone be attain path to wisdom without being reborn?
@@suatustel746 yes, you can learn to see the truth in this lifetime. My hope is to be a "stream enterer". The buddha said that once you cross a threshold of wisdom, so to speak, you'll be "destined" for enlightenment within the next few lifetimes. His teachings are extensive, but many people sum them up as a combination of correct morality, correct meditation, and correct wisdom, all harmonizing with eachother.
@@elijahshott3931 if we are to attain ultimate truth and wisdom this point of time does also that mean we remiss reaching to Nirvana state by dint of reincarnation, as good as get better so to speak.. We all have propensities in life if you elevated by Buddha's teaching is fine for me, but I follow my gut feelings, the ethos of my moral compass, my intuition insight culminated my receptors to construe what's this all about...
The interviewee lost credibility through overt bias. He had no basis to draw sound conclusions yet was pushing a clear agenda. When we don't know the answer to a question, the honest answer is 'I don't know'. He would do well to learn that response.
True
Yes, second episode on NDEs where the interviewer shows his total bias….
@@corinelucas4061 NDE claims of life after death are extraordinary claims. Extraordinary claims - obviously - require extraordinary evidence.
So the clear role of an interviewer when extraordinary claims are made is to exhibit scepticism so that the extraordinary evidence is then provided by the interviewee.
The only thing missing from this process was the extraordinary evidence.
Reincarnation is real coz we are all one flow of energy
The clinician seemed like a man of God, while the interviewer more of a skeptic
Everything in the observable universe has beginning and end. Look around you. Everything is temporal. Nothing is eternal. Why would your consciousness be eternal? This is deluded childish desire.
Because consciousness is not a thing
Eternal life is real after death of the flesh the soul or spirit continues to live. Live the best life you can live. God's Will will be done once you've completed your purpose in the flesh you'll go to your eternal home. Just believe in Jesus Christ(God Almighty), repent as much as possible daily, and look forward to going to heaven one day.
Believe in Allah.
@@DevilRoom360 Allah, God, Jesus, the flying spaghettimonster, they are all fake news.
There is NO GOD!
This is a amazing chat.
I had an NDE best Experience of my life! I was more Alive on the other side than this 10 fold… Our Creator is Amazing my experience was unexplainable..Only person who will understand is someone who had an NDE
THE NDE.....
Researchers estimate that around 17 percent of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't.
Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines, and the stories are a veritable twilight zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous “tunnel”, but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXICABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS.
Even children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from “death” claiming they were GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD BY STILL LIVING TEACHERS, AND NINTENDO CHARACTERS, instead of deceased relatives.
HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" and WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don’t believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced God as described in the Old Testament; while Messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus.
Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to go back, and that he (Jesus) would return (2nd coming) before Richard Eby died permanently. But, Dr. Richard Eby has now died, and Jesus has not returned.
A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - but so far NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE.
You would expect, that if any particular religious account of the afterlife were true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS, IN SAUDI ARABIA IT'S MOHAMMED, ALLAH, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real saw a Jesus with sea green-blue eyes on A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, God with BLUE EYES, YELLOW HAIR AND HUGE WINGS, and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND A RED CAP A.K.A. SANTA CLAUSE.
The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand and India rarely involve landmarks, tunnels or light; for Tibetans, light features more heavily, as do illusions of reincarnation. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly, the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr’s subjective experiences can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC. - NOT JUST CULTURE.
The terrain of heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, or CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS, or castles in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE; Micronesians describe large, noisy CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS.
This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining, and refining in factories, the materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers, as well as developing the tools and machinery needed to manufacture? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct those cubes and cages in hell that some claim. And, exactly which of the variety of hells do you actually go to? The Christian one? Hindu? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Muslim? The answer seems to be whichever one the experiencer has been exposed to, as Thai voyagers regularly claim to encounter lord Yama and Yamatoots, and being sentenced for butchering and eating chickens. And what fuel do those spiritual cars run on? Wouldn't the hereafter then require waste disposal and a sewage system as well?
Even in her rather homogenous western European clientele, Kübler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: “I never encountered a Protestant child who saw the Virgin Mary in his last minutes, yet she was perceived by many Catholic children.”
But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.”
Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY.
Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG.
Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS."
Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue.
There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. That could help explain why only a small percentage of people who flat line have NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
Kuhn: "How do we know it isn't just anoxia and the brain? Maybe it's some sort of internal psychedelic experience..."
Anoxia doesn't cause enhanced consciousness. Also, how do you explain people who die that go away from their physical body and hear conversations people are having, and see what they're doing, then when they come back they are able to validate exactly what they saw or heard? How do you explain stories like Dr. Mary Neal (spinal surgeon) who was given information that her oldest son would die, and then he dies several years later? Coincidence? Anoxia? Psychedelic trip? Nah, sorry. That isn't adding up. There are literally millions of these cases in the US alone.
Aldous Huxley requested to be under the effects of LSD at the time of death. Makes sense, because on LSD a person experiences many, shall we say 'dynamic' visions that aren't available in everyday life. I don't know if his request was granted, but I don't see why not.
That her oldest son would die and several years later he does. That's profound!!!
LOVE and WISDOM. You hit the nail in the head..... Really, these two golden words are the real meaning and purpose of life.
...... together with "gin and tonic" and "kippers".
It’s your opinion man 😁
Love and the communication of how important it is to maintain it.
When the world's apathy, vanity and hatred outweigh Love (it now already does), then, humanity is heading on a downward slope.
It CAN be reversed, but only if enough people become Enlightened in Time.
However, if not... then, we're on a finite countdown which is not even bound by carbon-based resources.
When Love is gone, it will not be able to be replaced with a facsimile.
A society of robots (independent of any relationship to A.I.).
Fair warning. 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
Absolutely.🎯
I once asked a Catholic priest if animals go to heaven and I received a resounding 'no'. Carl Sagan said that the DNA of a chimpanzee matches human DNA up to 97%, yet 'animals don't go to heaven'.
As Carl Sagan once said, ''Better by far to face the hard truth, than a reassuring fable'',
Ask them what do people eat in Heaven, then? Or do we not eat? If we eat are we eating just fruits and vegetables? no meat? If it is meat those poor animals will get to suffer at our hands for all eternity?
Questions that make them uncomfortable but the trick is that the media and the educated do not ask such questions - complicit in their murders and hate
After life doesnt have to be what religion told us.. lmao
Reassuring fable. Eternal sleep. Hard truth. Fear of death. The greatest swindle.
Very interesting discussion, but unfortunately nothing remotely close to an answer. All I get out of these discussions are 1) as technology improves, what we consider dead evolves, and 2) there may be an altered state in which the brain seems "off" but its owner can temporarily still perceive things. None of this to me argues an afterlife exists. I've watched other YT vids in which near-death people from different cultures report meeting their versions of gods...
That's my major concern. The New Age crowd experiences pastures of beautiful flowers and merging with cosmic consciousness whereas the fundamentalist, right wing Christian sees streets paved with gold leading to the pearly gates and Jesus Christ having brunch with Donald Trump who sits at the right hand of God who ushers in millions of green George Washingtons falling from the sky on the heads of Machiavelli and Ayn Ryand in a capitalist paradise. And don't forget that kids see Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. That's why I tire of these incompatible stories and steer more towards the verifiable NDE's as better evidence.
@@geralddecaire6164 Feel the same, Gerald. BTW, very funny (but apt) depiction of some people's worship of capitalism. ;)
@@aiahzohar5636 I hope you don't mind my asking, but you have one of the most esoteric names I've ever seen. You have an excellent command of the English language so I'm going to logically go out on a limb and say you either currently reside in the U.S. or Great Britain, but your parents or grandparents have a long history from another part of the world. On the other hand, I sort of just described every single American.
@@geralddecaire6164 Thanks, Gerald. I was born in the US but my grandparents are Scandinavian. I'll return the compliment--more and more of the world is hopping on the capitalism-at-all-costs bandwagon. So kudos to you for not blindly following suit. :)
What explanation are you looking for? Visions of seeing God or other deities or heaven? Well some ppl do claim to have experiences of seeing loved ones so perhaps you haven’t searched enough for stories that meet your satisfaction. It can be difficult to know how credible they are but regardless I think this video presents an interesting perspective.
Life after death? Only the dead know for sure, and they're not talking 😁
Persons are composed of "Energy" and "Information". "Information" is "Immaterial / Non-Material". The most recent modern quantum physics discoveries are proving "matter" is actually the "illusion". The true nature of reality is the interaction of "Immaterial / Non-material" energy fields. Is there really a non-material existance? Even science can confirm that the human body is composed of many forms of energy. According to scientists, energy can neither be created nor destroyed (1st Law of Thermodynamics). So, when someone transitions from the "material" existence, his or her energy (the essence of that person) will have to continue to exist in some form. No longer in a "material" body, this energy will continue to exist in what may be referred to as a coherent field of energy (or spirit?). lord-jesus-christ.com/
@@moses777exodus So, depending on how you define death, what you are saying is nothing dies. Birds, amoebas, all living things transfer their information to a coherent field of energy? That’s possible.
@@moses777exodus
You don't even understand a single word of what you're citing here. You are constantly gaining energy through food and losing energy through heat and work. Energy is a scalar, there is no "you" in it.
Now information is also conserved, but when you are dead it cannot be recovered any more in a way to reconstruct you. So practically the information is lost and you stay dead.
Contemplating on those things that have life-altering meaning, especially in solitude, is what Dr. Kuhn and his program 'Closer to Truth' does for me. There's so much that transcends space-time limitations, in my opinion. These types of conversations on the show are what I like about the program. Thanks, Dr. Kuhn.
What would live? The consciousness is generated by the brain, brain gone, consciousness gone. How could they see without eyes or hear without ears? Life after death is nonsense and wishful thinking.
It is frustrating to listen to these interviews sometimes. For example with near death experiences (NDEs), two key points beyond what this guy mentioned are: 1) the relevance of the content of the experience to the life situation the experiencers are in and 2) the fact that the content of these NDEs has closure, in that they are told that they have to go back and that is when the experience ends. Dreams and hallucinations are random as far the content goes and just abruptly end with out any sort of a concluding event.
THE NDE.....
Researchers estimate that around 17 percent of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't.
Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines, and the stories are a veritable twilight zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous “tunnel”, but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXICABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS.
Even children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from “death” claiming they were GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD BY STILL LIVING TEACHERS, AND NINTENDO CHARACTERS, instead of deceased relatives.
HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" and WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don’t believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced God as described in the Old Testament; while Messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus.
Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to go back, and that he (Jesus) would return (2nd coming) before Richard Eby died permanently. But, Dr. Richard Eby has now died, and Jesus has not returned.
A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - but so far NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE.
You would expect, that if any particular religious account of the afterlife were true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS, IN SAUDI ARABIA IT'S MOHAMMED, ALLAH, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real saw a Jesus with sea green-blue eyes on A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, God with BLUE EYES, YELLOW HAIR AND HUGE WINGS, and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND A RED CAP A.K.A. SANTA CLAUSE.
The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand and India rarely involve landmarks, tunnels or light; for Tibetans, light features more heavily, as do illusions of reincarnation. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly, the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr’s subjective experiences can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC. - NOT JUST CULTURE.
The terrain of heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, or CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS, or castles in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE; Micronesians describe large, noisy CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS.
This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining, and refining in factories, the materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers, as well as developing the tools and machinery needed to manufacture? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct those cubes and cages in hell that some claim. And, exactly which of the variety of hells do you actually go to? The Christian one? Hindu? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Muslim? The answer seems to be whichever one the experiencer has been exposed to, as Thai voyagers regularly claim to encounter lord Yama and Yamatoots, and being sentenced for butchering and eating chickens. And what fuel do those spiritual cars run on? Wouldn't the hereafter then require waste disposal and a sewage system as well?
Even in her rather homogenous western European clientele, Kübler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: “I never encountered a Protestant child who saw the Virgin Mary in his last minutes, yet she was perceived by many Catholic children.”
But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.”
Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY.
Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG.
Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS."
Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue.
There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. That could help explain why only a small percentage of people who flat line have NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
Great video. But one thing: the awareness of death doesn't change people who never experienced a close up with it or those who define themselves essentially through their material achievements. I know someone who even uses his awareness of death to double down on his materialist instincts: he's meticulously planning how each member of HIS family will inherit or not from his wealth. He's controlling the assets with an obsessive attention, behaving like a God, bestowing or withdrawing his wealth according to his self centered values. The kind of man who's awareness of death has no real transformative power.
So, our awareness of death only benefits those who are already on a spiritual journey.
NDEs can not be hallucinations. If they were, they had to be much more different contentually and they had to occur also during real, pathogenic hallucinations. If they were just dreams and hallucinations, the experiencers could comprehend that. Every sceptic, who has an NDE, immediately turns into a „believer“, which actually means he is a „knower“.
You are right🤔when I dream something and when I wake up I dont believe that what my dream showed me. But this NDE has to be so real that it is really real
@Folk Aart ... and other illusions, for example that there ist only >matter
>had to be much more different contentually
How so? It's exactly what we would expect. There has never been anyone, who got any new information after an "NDE". It's always cliche notions of dualism and afterlife, fitting to the cultural background of the person experiencing it.
>Every sceptic, who has an NDE, immediately turns into a „believer“
That doesn't happen. Believers have NDE's corresponding to their cultural backgrounds. There has never been a case of someone finding out anything new in an "NDE".
I think the out of body experiences that Dr. Walsh points to show that we have a soul or spirit in addition to our physical body. Indeed, the Bible states that God is spirit. This was a very interesting interview.
"Is there life after death?" Nooo, death means the end of life. A better question: "What is after death?"
Your statement is meaningless.
There are enough evidence to support the claim, According to the Dr. Jim tucker MD and in his many cases of child's past Life memories, James leininger is the finest evidence.
What is after death? Biochemical reactions. The specific molecular structure which supported your conscious being decays in the process.
*We just become nothing just like before we were born am afraid.*
When I found this channel I was really frightened about this topic, it made it easier for me to somehow be able to agree with myself that one day I will die, I love life and we age fast, if we can biologically stop or reduce the aging process this would be the way forward in life. If you agree like
I’m all for longer lifespans, and I think we will achieve them for people in early middle age and younger today. I don’t think it will take away from the meaning of life. I think it will give us more time to figure things out. So many of us make one or two critical mistakes in our lives and boom a decade or two is gone. And we learned nothing from that. So yeah if we all got 200 years on this planet it might really help us mature as a species.
@@squamish4244 Hi I agree with you at our current stage we all know most cases a person is born, goes college waste their youth away learning most things that don't even come useful in life then they go university and work based on the role they chose at university, by the time they are 50-60 they regret their youth and know death is around the corner this is very sad concept to know you have little time to make things right when your young although your bound to make mistakes when you are young as it's part of learning process, if we had a chance to live 200+ or whenever we do not want to live it will allow humans to help each other develop the world to be a better place I always believed and will believe useful knowledge always gets recycled and passed around so imagine if you was 300 years old what you would have learned by then!
@@MRLFMAO My adolescence and young adulthood were lost to OCD, which I got when I was 16, a terrifying experience on psychedelics that shattered my sense of reality at 27 and a doctor-prescribed addiction to anti-anxiety drugs (thanks, doc - a**hole) at 28. My career and relationship were destroyed, I stupidly blew chances with other women because I was so anxious, and I have no partner or children.
I'm finally beating the drugs now, ironically with psychedelic therapy (!), but I'm 44. Those critical things that happened to me were not of my doing.
I want my youth back. If anti-aging medicine comes along that can do that, of course I'll take it. And there's a great deal I've learned that I can pass on to other people - these days I help others to avoid the same mistakes I made so they don't lost out on 25 years like I did.
@@squamish4244 Hey thanks for opening up it takes a lot to accept that you lost time in life, I am going through similar stage what you did when you was my age, I am 29 at the moment 30 in September I have no wife or kids, I been going through drugs and alcoholism on top of my social anxiety so that really ruined my part of young life going out enjoying talking to people. There are many downsides in this life my friend. It takes a lot to fight back but once you get to the other bright side you will be doing good in life, I wish you all the best and I hope we will meet again in 2077 either half human half robots or rejuvenated younger. I strongly believe we might be the last generation not to survive seeing the breakthrough which is so sad pal. I really wish more people could start working towards this longevity rather than waste your life away for nothing
@@MRLFMAO "30 in September" lol you mean in four months? Dude you got 15 years on me, okay you wasted your 20s but you're hopefully on top of things now, you got lots of time, if I could do it over...
Blind followers of materialism are the dangers for our society.
In the 80s my father laying in the bed with my mother watching tv It was around 8 pm, next to the bed they had a pile of cassette tapes under the table. And suddenly there was that sound you hear when cassettes tower fall over and my mother says the cassettes just fell, but when my father looked at them they were in place and a few minutes later the same sound but it turned out that the cassettes are fine. They couldn't understand why they hear this sound but cassettes are in place. After about 2 hours a doorbell rings, and when my father opened the door, it turned out that a postman came with a telegram in which it was written that his brother died 2 hours ago.
Imagine someone suggested such a ridiculous connection in any other context.
So?
The question of whether there is life after death is singularly, to me, the most important question we can ever ask. It is actually the question that gave fruitition to all the worlds religions and manipulated humanity in so many different ways. I think about it constantly and have an inate desire of knowing. Why are we here and where are we going?
What a waste of time. The answer is obviously that when your brain is mush, you're dead and you will stay dead. There is no way for anyone to reconstruct you at that point.
Life creates more possibilities such as observing the universe itself.
@@MrCmon113 What if your life is information to the universe and you can be copied?
The big question is this: Is our state of existence the same as BEFORE birth as AFTER we die ??????
To Jewelry Bag. Since the question you ask is very important, not only to you but to millions of people around the world, don't you think that if there is a God, he would answer it?
This is what I believe happens when we die when we die I believe we are permanently gone forever and there no heaven, no hell, no reincarnation and no illusions. Once we die that’s it we are permanently dead forever
Walsh says 30% of people being resuscitated have NDE's?! Then why does the research (Wiki it) show 4-15%? I think Walsh is having an out of statistical sample experience.
Wiki isn't a science info source...
1:36 on the left of him there was a shadow that moved.
Tiffany Gangemi I noticed that after I posted the comment I feel stupid lol
@@stargod3064 no need for that feeling, just delete comment.
Hold on, I firmly believe and have witnessed that dogs absolutely have an awareness of death. So, please, everyone, quit with the dissocciative speak! ... everything is connected. We all come from the same place and are all headed the same place. My opinion ... it seems logical and sure, mysterious. You will never convince me that we are separate from other animals. They love, hurt, posses great intelligence. Don't get so hung up on physical differences for they mean little.
Although many experts will dismiss ADE experience. This gentleman presents a good case for an afterlife consciousness.
The things we cant see are more real than the things we see!
How do you know?
A good one. "The world you see is not as it is, but as you are" Anais Nin
And if you take enough mushrooms you'll see those things you can't see!
@@roberthutchins4297 he prbly know bcuz he might have done his research and learned some science, and is prbly not an ignorant dumbed down sheep like most of society is.
@@elijahshott3931 and dmt and mdma is good if its pure.
6:16 there is actually no definition for whats real!
0:11 Some of us it motivates, and some of us... DEMOTIVATES. (!)
It's not this partparticular video,, but in other ones the interviewees mention all religions excluding Hinduism while explaining the same concepts that form the core of Hinduism! Not sure if its deliberate or not..
Our dark skin is a problem - we don't count - there is racism in these ideas and of course only the western Abrahamic views matter
Compared to Hinduism, Christianity & Islam are simple, primitive religions
God is like a King, Dictator - get down on our knees, swear loyalty(belief) & obedience, serve only one master (one God) and pleased, he will reward us with the easy good life in Heaven
NOT ONE ASKS - ARE THERE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE RIGHT NOW JUST CHILLING IN HEAVEN, SITTING ABOUT SHAMELESSLY SPONGING OFF GOD, DOING NOTHING, AN IDLE EXISTENCE FOR ETERNITY?
HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?
HOW IS THIS THE GRAND PLAN OF GOD?
AMAZING TO SEE THIS KIND OF BRAINWASHING
When I was 8 years old I got real sick very high fever and I was on ceasing above my bead looking down on my self.
What is real? The physical life we live and experience or the dreams we have when our minds are at rest? Dreams/Visions change the way we live for majority of people
Let me guess... it is our experience, since we can share those experiences with others to verify that they observe the same things we do... Now that was easy.
Roq Steady doesn’t explain why 2 realities exist.
@@onestepaway3232 Good because likely there is only one reality.
Who the fuck dreams when sleeping!? Is that some kind of fanciful right brainer thing?
@@roqsteady5290 So if others don't verify our dreams, that means they are not real? No, it only means they didn't dream them.
We don't understand time. I think we go back right where we started. Sometimes we have recalls they call it deja vu. I know psychiatrists disagree with me.
The best way I can describe this reality is..... You are not in this reality you are the reality. No, Your not even the reality. Let's just say everything is already fulfilled and complete. What this reality is? or why we even have the experience of a reality Is not knowable. And there is no such thing as non-duality. The illusion of the self experiences reality after it has happened, And the illusion is that you experience it as the now moment. This also gives you the illusion of freewill. The illusion of separation is "What Is" trying to find "What Is" When it is already everything and nothing at the same time. No gold no saviors no heaven no hell (NOTHING) when the dream is over. There is nothing outside of the dream, The self and awareness are illusions of the mind, Every night you go to sleep most or some of the time you reach a point of deep sleep. This is when you are not aware of anything/nothing/No-Thing, Not even the mind. Deep sleep state is same as death.
farmboy 002
I think farmboy has studied a bit of quantum physics.
Except with death, you don't seem to wake up, and you can't recall ever having experienced it before. Deep sleep is the same as non-existence, which is what this question revolves around. Is it the same as death?
There is ONLY life , all the time, in eternity. We just transition into layers of reality.
I don't know what comes after death, none of us do. We can speculate and cling to ancient text's, but all the same, these are just pondering's of people who are or where, still alive. I think that death is the great motivator of the living, it put's us in a boundary that forces us to do meaningful thing's for those of us who have more expected time than other's do. I have no recollection of any kind of consciousness before birth,and it gives me the idea that death will be much the same. I started to really wonder about this after my having surgery on my neck and was under general anesthetic. I was talking to the nurse in one room and what seemed like less than a second I was in another room with the DR. saying " All done". Where did my mind go during that period , it came back afterward intact, with all my memories still there. I don't recall having any dream's during that time, so did my mind just shut off because of the drug's ? I can't even say that people who experience NDE's are reporting actual thing's that happened during their experience, could their mind's have been manipulated by trauma to the brain or the effect's of lack of oxygen or blood ? I understand the want to go on living and gathering experience ,but what I don't understand is the very real need for some people to only accept that life or consciousness continue's after death. IMO I think ( I could be wrong) that when we die we simply shut off, and revert back to the nothingness that was before birth. It would be great for it to be true that we shift consciousness to a new body after death, as in the case of reincarnation, but our bodies now are not even the same bodies we where born with , all of our cell's have been replaced with new one's except for certain cell's in the brain that do not regenerate. I think that this pondering death is a normal part of life, only we need to stop putting unrealistic idea's behind the meaning of death.
I think you are right in that we just shut off and all the time that passes becomes like 13.7 billion years that passed without us feeling it because we were not and we will not be there again. However if there is a creator who wants us resurrected then it also can happen but the question is then again one of faith alone and no scientific evidence at all.
Quote from a song by the lead vocalist Sting in the band called the Police: " We are spirits in the material world. " .
Add to that the question why the hell do we have to have NDE to place some sort of transformative value on life.
I am not sure how much more evidence science needs to conclude that consciousness is non physical
The biological and anthropology evidence though very feeble is taken as evidence
God is like gravity. I cant see it but I know it exists.
Gravity can be proven, God is just a concept in someone's mind.
@@garytison5306 And what do u think gravity was in the beginning?
"Don't test me." - gravity
Exactly
Light at the end of the tunnel... really? And just like that there is life after death. This is utterly absurd.
Yes, there is more.
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Haha! We cannot agree on what is "life" , so you know there is no consensus on what is "death". Last time I checked those two concepts are up for grabs! Anybody and everybody's grandma has got an opinion.
For all we know both may be an illusion!
It is really mysterious that we are born in mystery, we live in mystery, and we die in mystery.
There are after life
When you die you be born again
Coz we are all one flow of energy
@@johnyoutube6746 bs
@@BrendanOwino
Yes
Everything is bs will go to its end
The bright light is probably the light of the operating table coming through. Is there any info and stats on that?
Yep. Pim Van Lommel is a good start.
I watched all the videos on "life after death" on Closer to Truth. None of these philosophers have any idea what's going on. Very sad. But, it's a good representation of where the world is religiously. An ignorant mess.
For the materialist host, who's terrified of death, don't worry you will go on, one way or another. Its unadvoidable. 😊
Such nonsense
1995 GetJiggyWitIt as I said it’s nonsense. When you’re dead, you’re dead. You won’t know that you’re dead. It will only be difficult for others just like when you’re stupid.
1995 GetJiggyWitIt what evidence do you have for life after death.
Let’s start with that.
Tracchofyre see you on @twitter ?
Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life!
Shouldn't the question be about "awareness" after death vs life after death?
Near Death means no death occurred. It is like I'm near pregnant. If someone registered medically as dead and show up the day after asking for coffee, then we'll talk about life after death or souls and other goblins.
You might also have a serious chat with their doctors.
The Bible explains that death defines nonexistence:
Psalms 146:4- His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecclesiastes 12:7-Then the dust returns to the earth, just as it was, and the spirit returns to the true God who gave it.
To mention just two verses. Those who believe they had died, never lost the spirit of life (yet).
I had a severe heart attack and lost vitals in the ambulance on the way to hospital, i required a quadruple bypass, and i had one of these out of body experiences while i was technically 'dead' for 90 seconds, when i recovered and looked back on it and talked about it with my family i felt very emotional, but i do not think it was truly a sign of life after death, i think it's just the brain hallucinating while losing oxygen. The experience didn't cause me to change my life or values. Albiet my main focus in life has always been love and my family to begin with.
Cardiac arrest or heart stopping is not being dead. The brain, the organs, take some time to start dying. Bringing someone back from being dead is defined wrong. They never left yet. The experiences during the process of dying might just be a real way our body evolved to lay us to rest as peacefully as it can.
The reason many who come back that reevaluate their lives never really truly thought about death until that very moment. Reality sets in and they finally realize they aren’t immortal. They won’t live forever. And that’s a real kick to take.
If anything, these wake up calls for these people are only proof life after death isn’t real. Because it’s irony really. If you indeed went to the afterlife, why sort any life decisions here on earth after you’re back? Why does it matter if afterlife is real?
Not only is there life after death, but there is death after life. Same thing. Beyond duality & time/space, both occur simultaneously.
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We are in the matrix
possibly
If there is no soul, everything in every possible reality instantly does not matter because nooone will learn anything. Wow what a great world. Nothing matters. That's how reality probably is. Maybe have some respect for infinite complexity or reality and make the assumption that infinite greatness is not trash?
When you die, billions of people are still alive on earth.
So yes, there is most definitely life after death.
I don't think an altered state can explain veridical NDEs or shared death experiences, can it? There are all the other lines of evidence as well. I feel that too much of the discussion focuses solely on NDEs in terms of proving or disproving life after death. Just my opinion!
There Is Life After Death.
We don’t know that. Nobody does
Yes, there is.
@@denz9008 I know it.
@@denz9008 there are enough evidence to support the claim, According to the Dr. Jim tucker MD and in his many cases of child's past Life memories, James leininger is the finest evidence.
I don't agree with the awareness of death part. Some animals have shown to have it such as elephants and tigers. They clearly have a conscious concept of death though nothing scientific or entirely explanatory.
Ask any Muslim, they will share in details what happen after we die. All living things shall taste death and life after death will be eternity.
Do you actually - I mean REALLY, REALLY - believe that. You will, of course, say "Yes" and I will say "How can you possibly believe such nonsense?"
What is your concept of 'eternity '?
the very question a tortolagy ..there cannot be life after death unless you didn't really die.The question is nonsensical,.not to mention the ignorance of a decades old well known fact.It has been proven beyond doubt that we humans are part of the family known as the great apes.It includes apes,gorillas,banoboes,orangatans,chimpanzees and humans.we are all cousins.we have a common ancestor.there were several other humanoid species who were our relatives too but became extint some 40 thousand years ago.chimpanzees are our closest cousins,with whom we share 99.6 percent DNA.there are 7 million species on earth that live,die and are no more.to suggest that one species of the ape family can become exempt from dying by appealing to an invisible,undetectable,celestial dictator is plainly ridiculous. anyone who thinks that they are somehow more special than any other member of any other species surely has a self centeredness problem.
the personality changes in people who have reported a near death experience are identical to the changes many people claim to go through after taking DMT...
Very true
Being dead means not being alive.
The question is are people secretly and magically still alive when they appear to be dead and decomposed. The answer is obviously no.
Funny slip of the tongue when Robert says “We continue to pursue it with passion and determinism”. He meant to say determination, but his materialist bias shines through.
I am not so sure Jory Kahn, I think he knew exactly the word he was choosing:):)
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I love that the interviewer didn't just let him present his metaphysical psychobabble as fact.
Reincarnation is real coz we are all one flow of energy
Why doesn’t he hammer home the point that people can literally see what is going on in the operating room and even other rooms, even when they are supposedly brain dead and their eyes presumably closed. The mind is capable of percieving independent of the brain, case closed. Whether that means there is an afterlife, I don’t know, but it’s indicative of it.
I like listening to the questions asked and the answers given. But this episode shows the material biases of Robert in a new light. Robert actually got passionate when Roger gave some evidence that challenged the materialistic, non spiritual point of view that something can survive death. Robert almost became indignant, and it looked like the position that he held -- a doctor of the mind based on science and the community of brilliant people that hold scientific beliefs -- could be challenged by Roger's studies that also looked quite scientific. I know we all have biases, but Roger actually got under Robert's skin to shake those biases using scientific methods and principals. Robert usually gives a preamble stating how he is looking forward to people challenging his beliefs, that he really wants to believe in God and life after death. But when he is given good evidence, as in this case, it disturbs his material biases and almost ejects him from the club of distinguished, brilliant men of science. He can't provide an adequate retort and save himself from the humiliation of not having a better materialistic "scientific" response. Anyway, I don't want to seem too harsh and I think Robert is doing a wonderful job making this series. I enjoy these videos a lot.
I don't think so. I think Robert always plays the devil's advocate to whomever he interviews.
When he's talked to materialist nujobs like Daniel Dennett (not all materialists are nuts, just Dennett), he also argues on the opposite side. It's why I enjoy his show so much.
@@cdb5001 I'd love to see you debate DD, bet you would end up with the nut job title.
@@keithrelyea7997 I mean sure, if that cheers you up bud. Dennett is not taken seriously by philosophers of mind. His basic tenet is that consciousness is an illusion, and not real, but he's counting on you to use your very real money and decision-making ability to buy his books and inflate his very real bank account. Talk about absurdist.
THE NDE EVIDENCE
Researchers estimate that around 17 percent of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't.
Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines, and the stories are a veritable twilight zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous “tunnel”, but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXICABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS.
Even children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from “death” claiming they were GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD BY STILL LIVING TEACHERS, AND NINTENDO CHARACTERS, instead of deceased relatives.
HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" and WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don’t believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced God as described in the Old Testament; while Messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus.
Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to go back, and that he (Jesus) would return (2nd coming) before Richard Eby died permanently. But, Dr. Richard Eby has now died, and Jesus has not returned.
A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - but so far NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE.
You would expect, that if any particular religious account of the afterlife were true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS, IN SAUDI ARABIA IT'S MOHAMMED, ALLAH, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real saw a Jesus with sea green-blue eyes on A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, God with BLUE EYES, YELLOW HAIR AND HUGE WINGS, and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND A RED CAP A.K.A. SANTA CLAUSE.
The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand and India rarely involve landmarks, tunnels or light; for Tibetans, light features more heavily, as do illusions of reincarnation. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly, the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr’s subjective experiences can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC. - NOT JUST CULTURE.
The terrain of heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, or CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS, or castles in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE; Micronesians describe large, noisy CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS.
This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining, and refining in factories, the materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers, as well as developing the tools and machinery needed to manufacture? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct those cubes and cages in hell that some claim. And, exactly which of the variety of hells do you actually go to? The Christian one? Hindu? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Muslim? The answer seems to be whichever one the experiencer has been exposed to, as Thai voyagers regularly claim to encounter lord Yama and Yamatoots, and being sentenced for butchering and eating chickens. And what fuel do those spiritual cars run on? Wouldn't the hereafter then require waste disposal and a sewage system as well?
Even in her rather homogenous western European clientele, Kübler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: “I never encountered a Protestant child who saw the Virgin Mary in his last minutes, yet she was perceived by many Catholic children.”
But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.”
Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY.
Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG.
Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS."
Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue.
There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. That could help explain why only a small percentage of people who flat line have NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
@@ros6111 Start citing.
We cling to the notion of an afterlife simply because we are afraid of the unknown and the unknowable - religion simply piles on the fear with the notion of eternal punishment in hell
As per Quran everyone has to taste death where as soul is immortal. Will be resurrected as on the day of judgement. Will be rewarded as per the deeds in world and eternal life afterwards started.
how can it JUST be an altered state ? i dont get that. not when someone comes back, and then tells the doctor what he said. that is comparable to someone claiming they were abducted by aliens, but at the same time having an alien artifact in their hands.
you cant just sweep the artifact under the table, as if it didnt exist. and you cant sweep the person's knowledge about what the doctor said during resuscitation under the table, either.
I am always amazed by those who say there is no evidence when what is really meant is, I haven't looked, I am not going to look, but I will make comments, from baseless assumptions.
You must be frequently "amazed". What do you suggest we "look"at"
@@roberthutchins4297 Ayo bro . Go ahead gamble it . It’s going to be your problem. Stop the hate in that heart of yours. And go educate yourself . Ask yourself the real questions.. the one you’re scared of. Bye ignorant human.
@@salemmoumni9491 Who the heck are you??
We look all of the time. Some damage to the brain makes it work worse. More damage makes it work even worse still. You are saying that if the brain is destroyed it suddenly works perfectly again. It's pure nonsense.
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God is light:
1 John 1:5 “This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.”
God is love:
1 John 4:8 “Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.”
Satan is the counterfeit deceiver and is hate:
2 Corinthians 11:14 “And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.”
NDEs provide evidence (including corroborative evidence) that the mind/consciousness continues to exist upon physical death. Christianity provides the best interpretation of NDEs. Demons can impart false knowledge to people. That is why scripture says to test the spirits against the truth of God’s word.
Jesus said that he is the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father expect through him.
God showed his love to the whole world that he gave his only Son to die in your place so that you may have eternal life. Repent and place your faith in Jesus to receive this gift.
God is fake
@@dutchking7293 oh buddy your wrong good god is the way what do you believe in huh?
@@greenbackup5767 I believe in science not make believe stories from 2000 years ago.
@@dutchking7293 God is beyond religion and human comprehension.
@@wildmansamurai3663 Of course, he is. ( -_-)
Is Walsh Australian or from New Orleans? So hard to tell with how he speaks lol
I was very focused on his accent. Possibly the most confusing accent I've ever heard.
I noticed too. I am thinking soft Australian accent influenced by west American.
is it just me or does the interviewer ask questions almost sarcastically? It seems like he wants to discredit anything Roger says, it is very annoying to watch. I keep rooting for Roger! The way he has demonstrated diplomacy and yet him being open minded in his views is extremely admirable.
He is an atheist playing games
This guy conducts many interviews, and always seems to have that way about him as if he erroneously believes he knows different but will ask the questions anyway.
@@keithgreenan6204 no... he argues both sides. if he spots a problem in their hypothesis he will point it out.
Haha yes me too. Especially the argument, 'anything people experienced that doesn't align with my assumptions about life must be due to brain damage or psychosis'
IN heart arrest cases some patients see and hear things and actions in the operating room or emergency ward after their brains stops functioning as a result of complete lack of blood flow into it that are later verified by doctors and nurses that were there . The flatlining of the brain after a few seconds of lack of blood flow is established fact .
Some very closed minded people on here who feel they need to tell everyone the way it really is....about things they can not know.
We can not "know" anything for sure. But, what we can say is that there are an infinite number of ways things could logically possibly be, but only one way things actually are. That is why the burden of proof always resides on the side of someone making a specific claim. In the case of NDEs there are perfectly sensible explanations within what we already know about neurobiology, so it doesn't make much sense to propose some supernatural realm that we have no sensible reason to believe exists... Occam's razor is a powerful way to dispell bullshit: Don't multiply entitities beyond necessity! And finally one should always be especially skeptical of self serving beliefs, because wishful thinking and confirmation bias is a big part of why the rigor of science is necessary in the first place.
@@roqsteady5290 I don't think you can not really "know" that any of what you just said is really so. For example, we don't know if there is only one way things actually are. It is possible that Occam's razor is not as powerful as people think, and that it results in missing or distorting much of reality.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO, what the total fuck……
You can lusten to these interviews till dooms day and the response is the same: WE DON'T KNOW!
Always nice to see adults having a conversation.
What happened to the 70 percent that didn’t have NDEs?
If I remember correctly people can have dreams/visions without remembering them
@@novvt7079 true that, NDEs are special experiences that shouldn't be remembered due to brain inactivity, but somehow are remembered. I believe that it takes a special soul to clearly remember the crossing over experience. Its not just a given.
They had TDE's. Total Death Experiences
I couldn't understand why these scientist still associate these experience with our material brain and brain Anoxia, while these people who are already have flat lined their brain and heart are not perceiving anything from the bodily senses but experiencing from outside body.
Check and see....
Researchers estimate that around 17 percent of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't.
Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines, and the stories are a veritable twilight zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous “tunnel”, but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXICABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS.
Even children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from “death” claiming they were GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD BY STILL LIVING TEACHERS, AND NINTENDO CHARACTERS, instead of deceased relatives.
HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" and WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don’t believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced God as described in the Old Testament; while Messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus.
Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to go back, and that he (Jesus) would return (2nd coming) before Richard Eby died permanently. But, Dr. Richard Eby has now died, and Jesus has not returned.
A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - but so far NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE.
You would expect, that if any particular religious account of the afterlife were true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS, IN SAUDI ARABIA IT'S MOHAMMED, ALLAH, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real saw a Jesus with sea green-blue eyes on A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, God with BLUE EYES, YELLOW HAIR AND HUGE WINGS, and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND A RED CAP A.K.A. SANTA CLAUSE.
The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand and India rarely involve landmarks, tunnels or light; for Tibetans, light features more heavily, as do illusions of reincarnation. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly, the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr’s subjective experiences can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC. - NOT JUST CULTURE.
The terrain of heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, or CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS, or castles in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE; Micronesians describe large, noisy CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS.
This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining, and refining in factories, the materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers, as well as developing the tools and machinery needed to manufacture? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct those cubes and cages in hell that some claim. And, exactly which of the variety of hells do you actually go to? The Christian one? Hindu? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Muslim? The answer seems to be whichever one the experiencer has been exposed to, as Thai voyagers regularly claim to encounter lord Yama and Yamatoots, and being sentenced for butchering and eating chickens. And what fuel do those spiritual cars run on? Wouldn't the hereafter then require waste disposal and a sewage system as well?
Even in her rather homogenous western European clientele, Kübler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: “I never encountered a Protestant child who saw the Virgin Mary in his last minutes, yet she was perceived by many Catholic children.”
But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.”
Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY.
Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG.
Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS."
Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue.
There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. That could help explain why only a small percentage of people who flat line have NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
I had a NDE and I actually have see a tunnel and I do cherish learning and love way more now!!!
Yea and like 80% didnt experience anything you must have had a hallicunation or some of your brain parts didnt shut down
@@DieTunesiervaneerst I literally died three times, resuscitated three times.
@@DieTunesiervaneerst it' ignorance not science ( what you'd said )
Hello Sir, there is life after death, our purpose here on earth is just to learn and be clean ( mean no sin ) you lived from what you learn and die no sin so that you can go back to your creator. Always remember you conscience is your soul ! Lord Jesus, is the perfect example. Thank you !
Read and notice at the end that he had a changed life too: IANDS - "I was hit by a car while riding my motorcycle. I died on the operating table. I went through the dark into the light - a soft bluish light. An entity (Jesus to me) was of the light, and the light was a doorway. I was not in this body, but I was as normal as my body here. We spoke without speaking. Joy was all over me. I was relieved to know it is real! Jesus said, "I know it hurts and I know it is bad. You have not done what you said you would do and must go back." I refused. Jesus said, "You will come here, just not now…not yet. I am sorry." Then I was on the operating table and heard someone say, "We got him” and then "Oh my God he is awake.” I AM NOW AN ORDAINED MINISTER AND I PREACH. I WAS SHOWN THERE IS NO HELL. We all go home."
I'll give you another Jesus story...NDERF - Karen: "She took me and placed me in a crystal-like bed and told me to rest because there were beings who wanted to honor and welcome me. I saw beings cued up to greet me. I spied Jesus among them and immediately felt as though something was wrong. I asked the being who brought me, how it was that Jesus wants to honor me. I told her that I was afraid that putting myself at the same level as Jesus would damn me to hell. SHE LAUGHED AND TOLD ME THERE IS NO HELL. We are all equal in spirit form."
Or why do you reject this one? Mac Wright: “Everyone goes to the same place. This includes Billy Graham, Hitler, and Jeffery Dahmer.”
What about this story, from a lady who was trafficked starting at 2 years old, and had a drowning NDE...Anne Murphy: "All there was, was the most unconditional love, compassion, pure and total acceptance with no judgement at all. I WAS SHOWN THAT THERE IS NO JUDGEMENT AND NO HELL, NO OPINIONS, NO PUNISHMENT, not like what we are taught here, about a judgemental God and being sent to hell if you're bad, that was not the case. There was no judgement at all from the beings with me or from within myself. It was total compassion, and then remembering I chose my earthly experience. It was just an experience. Love is what we all are. THERE WAS NO SEPARATE GOD KEEPING SCORE AND DOLING OUT JUDGEMENTS AND PUNISHMENTS. THERE WAS NOTHING TO FORGIVE IN THAT STATE OF BEING. There was nothing negative, no shame, guilt, or sense of not being worthy. And I saw that for everybody. THERE WAS NO COMPARISON IN THAT STATE, SO EVERYTHING IS ACCEPTED COMPLETELY. THERE'S NO GREATER THAN, LESS THAN, OR SCORE KEEPING. I saw in my NDE that whether people loved or hated something about me in this human experience, was exactly the same. It was completely neutral. And they showed me what can happen to some people...some people can have a "hellish"" kind of experience...what I saw is that that is when people are still kind of stuck between the human and the...like they haven't fully let go of all the human stuff. Which was self imposed, they believe they need to be judged or they think that's the truth, so that happens. Because we're required to drop it all. It all goes when we return to our true being, our true essence, our true home. Earth is all about contrast. Who we really are is unconditional love. My very abusive adoptive father died on the 28 of June this year and I helped him. He was terrified he was going to "the other place", but in the weeks before, we had many discussions where I reminded him of his true self, what was waiting for him when he "goes home", and that it was not necessary for him to judge himself and become stuck in some "hell" like state, and he didn't. Right at the moment he passed, his true essence was with me, no longer the human and it was pure unconditional love and it went through me and I knew his true being. It was incredible. I shared his death experience with him. He had everyone waiting for him, but I couldn't go in. There's always a barrier. Only those moving fully into "death" pass that barrier."
How about another one? N. Danison: "I very very slowly got out of my body, and then I popped out and I was standing in front of it going 'what? I didn't know you could do that'. And then I saw blackness. But I wasn't afraid, it was comforting, it was comforting darkness. And then I saw a pinpoint of light and I said to myself 'oh I know what this is, I'm supposed to go to the light.' I WENT AND FELT WAVE AFTER WAVE OF UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, AND ACCEPTANCE, AND JOY. I started getting downloads of everything there was to know or could ever be known on lots of different topics. I had 360 degree vision. I did a couple experiments and proved to myself that just thinking a word manifested that environment. I saw five beautiful colored lights that I knew the names of. It was the first time I ever really felt home. I had a life review. I got the answers to all my questions. I was raised a catholic and was told that's the one true religion. I was angry. I couldn't imagine why anybody taught me this intricate religion when there wasn't a bit of it that was true, and I had just gotten the truth literally right from the source. God is all knowing, unconditionally loving. THERE IS NO HELL. I remembered Source creating the universe and THERE WAS NO HELL CREATED. And then also Source told me THERE'S NO HELL. WE DO NOT HAVE TO EARN HEAVEN. We do not enter into human life to evolve, to learn how to love, or to learn how to be more spiritual. We souls are already pieces of Source/God’s own self-awareness and cannot get more evolved, loving, or spiritual than while in our spiritual state. ALL PEOPLE RETURN TO THE SAME PLACE AFTER DEATH. 'Knowing' informed me that when a being like me enters into a human as its soul, only part of its total energy does so. The rest of the being's energy stays in the Light and continues to evolve as it observes the soul part's experiences."
Need more? R. Moreno: "I'm N. American and experienced an NDE. I WAS TOLD there is no religion and NO HELL. I was shown many things. It has not been easy being here as I didn't want to come back."
Have another one....A. Johnson: "I can tell you one thing for sure, THERE WAS NO JUDGEMENT. THERE WAS NOTHING I HAD EVER DONE THAT WASN'T COMPLETELY FORGIVEN, AND 'FORGIVEN' IN THAT CONTEXT MEANT IT WAS GONE. It did not exist. GOD WASN'T HOLDING ME ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT, God was loving me right through it, and IT WAS TOTAL AND COMPLETE FORGIVENESS. We dont have to prove ourselves to be loved by God. What I learned on the other side is that THERE'S NO JUDGEMENT ON US, NONE, ZIP, NADA. IN THE OTHER REALM THERE'S NO JUDGEMENT BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO JUDGE. We're all pure unconditional love. THERE'S NO HELL, THERE'S NO PUNISHMENT. When you realize there's nothing to forgive, then there's nothing to punish either."
Do you reject this one also? B. Macrelli: "I too have died and brought back by doctors. In 2009 I was kidnapped and stabbed four times in the chest and died. I didn't feel it and was unaware that I was even stabbed, my spirit left my body and it was the best feeling in the world. Completely free, and you're right THERE IS NO HELL. And I have also learned that religions are hard wired into the brain according to your culture. It is so tragic that people live their entire lives in fear of something they will never encounter."
Here's another one for you...L. Mason: "I died. Time froze. Met God that appeared as a pure white light. Let me ask questions. Told me I had to return. Pushed me down with a hand on my left. Earth is a play pen. THERE'S NO HELL. WE ARE ALL FORGIVEN WHEN WE DIE. We all are connected when we die. In human bodies that link is very faint. That is the hole we try to fill with money/drugs/addiction."
Should I keep going? Here's another one for you....Anita Moorjani: "IS THERE A HELL? This is a question I get asked over and over...and THE ANSWER IS HELL NO! I often marvel at how inventive we humans are and at all the stories we’ve created over the millennia to explain what happens to us after death. I was extremely fearful of death before my NDE. I was afraid of karma, and in fact, I believed that my cancer was caused by karma. When I was on the other side, I expected to get punished for all the things I did wrong. I thought there was judgement for all the things we had done wrong. BUT INSTEAD THERE WAS COMPASSION AND UNDERSTANDING FOR WHY I DID WHAT I DID. The souls that cross over take with them their education from their time on earth, as experiences are not judged any more than people are. I understood clearly that there is no judgement on the other side, THERE IS NO MORAL HAMMER THAT IS DROPPED; I saw clearly that this is a human device used by other humans to make us fall in line with the moral majority. Since there is no judgement on the other side, there is no punishment. We gain an understanding of the effects we had on everyone else, but before we are pulled into the human drama of regret or guilt, we are uplifted to understand that we are not judged. We are left with a complete understanding from the other side that there is nothing but love for our souls, and our lives as they were. There is a great section in my book where I address this topic. The section is called "Judgement Day Cometh Not". I WOULD NEVER USE THE PHRASE 'BAD KARMA', AS I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS SUCH A THING. I simply believe all aspects of life are needed to create the whole. Neither do I believe anymore that we live out all our lives sequentially in linear time, which is the framework that many people have for their ideas about karma. In the NDE state, however, I realized that every moment in all our lives-past, present, future - unknown, unknown, and unknowable-exist simultaneously, as though outside of what we know as time."
I'll keep going....B. Elsworth: "But personally, through my own NDE, I remember coming back and as beautiful and shocking to my ego as the experience was, I remember driving in my car and laughing to myself thinking, "Well I wish I could tell my younger self he's NOT GOING TO HELL, BECAUSE THERE IS NONE!" YOU CAN'T DO ANY WRONG...even (ra*e + mu*der + the hol*caust) in God's perspective, but that's not a license to do crazy stuff, "God" is just that unconditionally loving. HE CAN'T EVEN FORGIVE YOU, BECAUSE YOU CAN DO NO WRONG. We truly are inseparable from boundless infinite love."
Notice this one...Andrew Petro: "I didn't want to come back. I said I'm home and I want to stay here. I was stuffed back into my body, which by this time was found at the bottom of the lake, dragged up onto the beach, and my friends were on top of me pushing the water out of my lungs. When I popped back into my body, I immediately started coughing the water up from my lungs. When I was in the light and I was observing all my life's activities, THERE WAS NOT JUDGEMENT. THERE WAS NO GOOD OR BAD. THERE WASN'T GOOD OR EVIL. THERE WASN'T RIGHT OR WRONG. And when you're in the light looking at it, its different than looking at it now. In this world when I look at some atrocities, I feel really bad about it. It's a different type of feeling when you're in the light. It's observing and understanding you would not do that again. It's like looking at your life and being able to walk away from it like you would an intense movie. None of my religious experience was there. I was with the light. THERE WAS NO JUDGEMENT, THERE WAS NO HELL, THERE WAS NO GOOD AND BAD, THERE WAS NO BIG TALLY IN THE SKY, there was just the light consuming me with unconditional love. In which I was able to consume everyone else with unconditional love."
Here you are....Jen: "I had an NDE and was told HELL IS JUST AN ILLUSION, only love is real. Believe what you must."
Want another one? Here....Anastasia: "Time didn't exist here at all. It was as if I was one with everything. All I had to do was shift my awareness to something and I would know it. We are a soul in a physical body and OUR PHYSICAL BODIES ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A SENSORY TOOL FOR US TO COLLECT SENSORY INFORMATION ABOUT THE PHYSICAL EXPERIENCE, and that it gets shared at the soul level because the soul ultimately wants to have a physical experience, and be able to create here in a physical life. The soul is absolutely complete. With that completeness, it meant THERE WAS NO GOOD OR BAD, NO RIGHT OR WRONG, AND THERE ARE NO LESSONS TO LEARN in the physical life IN A WAY THAT TRANSLATES TO THE TYPE OF EXPERIENCE OR A JUDGEMENT THAT YOU MAY HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE. Actions did not translate to anything that meant that you would be judged, and that judgement is not like a sorting tool, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO INTO THIS PLACE OR THAT PLACE BASED ON YOUR ACTIONS. It's not like we're trying to check boxes here to get into an afterlife that we ultimately want to have. It felt very much like we are learning to bring that bliss that's a part of us at the soul level into our physical experience.
More?...D. Bullock: "On the other side, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER, ITS JUST AN EXPERIENCE, it's just perception. So what we consider 'oh that was wrong', 'that person was wrong', it's a joke, THEY WERE PLAYING A ROLE. They decided to be...Napoleon...so they did what Napoleon does, war, and all kinds of other stuff. BUT WHEN THAT ROLE IS FINISHED, GUESS WHO THEY ARE? LOVE. They're a soul."
Must I continue on further?...J. Olson: "There was this divine presence coming up behind me. This wise cosmic presence. I'm thinking 'oh my goodness, that's God coming.' And then the guilt began to bubble up again. I had the thought 'I hope I can be forgiven.' I was fearful, very fearful. That's when the download came...truth and wisdom and light and love. The first thing that was communicated was THERE'S NOTHING TO FORGIVE. Everything's in perfect divine order. And I thought 'how can that be?' My life was presented before my eyes. There were these things that I was saying 'no no that was a mistake'. I WAS TOLD THERE ARE NO MISTAKES, YOUR LIFE IS PERFECT. I would say 'that was wrong, I knew it was wrong and I did it anyway.' THIS BEAUTIFUL BEING COMMUNICATED, THOSE ARE YOUR JUDGEMENTS OF IT, NOT OURS, WE LOVE YOU. It was this unconditional outpouring of love. BUT I KNEW IF THAT WAS TRUE OF ME, IT WAS TRUE OF EVERY ONE OF US. I WAS BEING SHOWN THAT IT WASN'T MY FAULT THAT I'M A HUMAN BEING CAPABLE OF HURTING PEOPLE, THAT THAT'S ENDEMIC IN WHAT IT IS TO BE A HUMAN BEING...IF YOU'RE A HUMAN BEING, YOU'RE GOING TO HURT PEOPLE, YOU CAN'T STOP THAT. And this voice was speaking, 'I LOVE YOU, I MADE YOU, I FORGIVE YOU, I CREATED YOU, I'M CREATOR YOU ARE CREATURE, AND I LOVE YOU.' As I finally got out of the pain I caused, and listened to what was being said to me, I turned and faced Love and was forgiven and was filled with beauty, love, truth, joy, knowledge, understanding, bliss, healing, wholeness."
Helen S.: "I was enveloped in a love I could not put into words. This divine love was in everything and in me. AT THE CORE OF MY BEING, I WAS THIS LOVE AND SO WAS EVERYONE ELSE. In this state of grace, THERE WAS NO RIGHT OR WRONG, NO GOOD OR BAD, AND NO JUDGEMENT WHATSOEVER. Fear was non-existent. There was no death and I knew that we all live forever."
Laurie L.: "I was one with them. I looked up and saw a huge ball of light that cast the purest, warm light all around me and felt God touch my skin. He knew me, HE LOVED ME NO MATTER HOW IMPERFECT MY EARTHLY LIFE HAD BEEN."
Ashley M.: "I looked into the dome and started my life review. I could witness and experience my life from many different perspectives. I felt what others felt from my actions from their point of view. It was hard to go through, but I knew it was to learn and grow from my time on earth. I remember hearing others cry, laugh, and other things, because of what they did on Earth. I WAS TOLD IT WAS OKAY, AND THAT WE ARE ALL LOVED; THAT THIS WAS NOT A JUDGEMENT. I was told that we all learn best by experiencing it ourselves. GOD DOES NOT JUDGE US."
Maureen K. (suicide): "Light was clearer and brighter than I had ever seen. Colors were beyond vibrant. I felt no fear. I felt no pain. I FELT NO JUDGEMENT. I FELT NO BLAME. I FELT NO SHAME. I felt no fear here. Profound love and peace permeated every being, everywhere. What I know to be the energy of angels greeted me with the tenderest warmest energy. These angels requested that I observe and notice. I sensed that this was a space WHERE NO EARTHLY JUDGEMENT EXISTS. Love is more like endless compassion, WITHOUT JUDGEMENT. I watched as any energy of fear, blame, and doubt dissipated and dissolved instantly in this pure love that existed everywhere. They radiated and sent pure love to my Higher Heart. The pure love they sent my way INSTANTLY DISSOLVED THE SHAME AND BLAME that was forming in my Higher Heart TOWARD THE CHOICES I MADE IN MY LIFE. They thanked me telepathically and explained that all of my choices were honored. They asked me to lift my eyes and hold my head high. They affirmed that I was loved by God as they sent waves of pure love toward me. Please understand that God honors all of our choices. This was a soul contract whose terms were being honored for my Highest Good toward the Highest Good of All. NO LIMITATION OR PUNISHMENT WAS EVER INTENDED, IMPLIED OR ENACTED, EVER. I felt love throughout my entire being as the angels explained the terms of my soul agreement to me. I experienced NO JUDGEMENT OR BLAME OR PUNISHMENT WHATSOEVER in this expanded energy."
They weren't dead you don't come back when your dead🤔🤔
so what does everyone think about this and the last statement
Well, once your consciousness isn’t subject to Time anymore, that would mean that whatever energy consciousness is made from escapes the body and is free to spread out across all of existence - almost as if Humans have their own Hawking Radiation!
I believe Jesus rose again