Tao Jiang - Death, Life After Death, and Reincarnation
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What happens after we die? Is there life after death? If so, what kind of life? From heaven and hell to systems and cycles of reincarnation, we explore Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, and Chinese traditions, as well as Christianity.
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Tao Jiang’s primary research interest is classical Chinese philosophy, Mahāyāna Buddhist philosophy (Madhyamaka and Yogācāra), and cross-cultural philosophy. He is currently the director of the Rutgers Center for Chinese Studies.
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Life, death, rebirth and karma work perfectly fine as a metaphor towards understanding your mental state from moment to moment.
As a literal framework, I am not so sure.
What if you're the last person to get enlightened (nirvana) and all of creation is waiting for you to get it right?
Sounds like a good movie premise
This comment gives me serious solipsistic anxiety. 💀
Too distracted watching skibiddy toilet memes.
No one is waiting or cares.
Life before death.
There’s no evidence of materialism so of course there’s life after death. Materialism is a philosophy and QFT tells us the particles aren’t physically real. They’re excitations of invisible quantum fields that can behave wave or particle like. So just because the interface(body) dies doesn’t mean your wave nature dies. The energy flowing through your body and animating all things from blood flow to your heartbeat still exists when your particle like nature dies. Here’s some quotes on this:
*Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real. If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet. Niels Bohr*
*I think that modern physics has definitely decided in favor of Plato. In fact the smallest units of matter are not physical objects in the ordinary sense; they are forms, ideas which can be expressed unambiguously only in mathematical language. Werner Heisenberg*
*The atoms or elementary particles themselves are not real; they form a world of potentialities or possibilities rather than one of things or facts. Werner Heisenberg*
"There’s no evidence of materialism, so of course there’s life after death."
If you start out that irrational, and illogical, everything that follows can be ignored.
@@andreasplosky8516 of course you say this because you know it’s true. Materialism and determinism are philosophies not scientific discoveries. So your beef is with Quantum Field Theory not me. 💯💯
@@jjay6764 Nope. What I criticized is the mere fact that your statement is illogical.
You might even be right, I don't know, but your reasoning is irrational.
"Materialism and determinism are philosophies not scientific discoveries. "
There are two fundamental kinds of materialism. There is philosophical materialism, which can not be scientifically proven, and there is methodological materialism, which is the foundation of science.
"So your beef is with Quantum Field Theory not me. "
No. The appropriation of quantum physics by superstitionalists and supernaturalists, is a joke. No scientific minded person takes that seriously.
You should perhaps read what actual physicists have to say about that. The abuse of quantum physics by woo-woo believers, is either a source of irritation to them, or they make fun of it.
@@andreasplosky8516 methodological materialism is philosophy. It’s just a philosophy that says you can do scientific research without holding a philosophy of materialism that says all things have to be reduced to the material. So this is even worse for you.
Secondly, your problem is with science not me.
*Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real. If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet. Neils Bohr*
*Erwin Schrödinger said, "Consciousness cannot be accounted for in physical terms. For consciousness is absolutely fundamental. It cannot be accounted for in terms of anything else."*
*Werner Heisenberg wrote: "The ontology of materialism rested upon the illusion that the kind of existence, the direct 'actuality' of the world around us, can be extrapolated into the atomic range. This extrapolation, however, is impossible ... Atoms are not things."*
Your problem is with science not me. 😀😀
@@jjay6764 "Your problem is with science not me."
If that makes you sleep at night....
Keep searching for truth , but its not in ideas , neither can it be understood materially , nor medically ... For real understanding go to Himalayas
As long as I am alive, I reincarnate every second.
that s right the nirvana is not for next life .
you have to achieve it in this life .current life ..
you don't need to die to achieve nirvana....
nirvana is not a next life achievement its a currant life achievement like your PhD.
by the way i m so glad about this conversation.......
Regardless of what you believe happens after we die we should treat our lives as unique, sacred, with gratitude, and reverence and believe and behave as if this is our only one life.
I agree 99% except the behavioral conclusion.
@@vecumex9466 And what behavioral conclusion should one draw?
@@Resmith18SR Gratitude and reverance not conditioned to preconcieved notions that there is only one life. Yes it may well be the only life we have or perhaps not but the behavior should be the same.
@@vecumex9466 If you believe that this truly is your one and only life then wouldn't you view it differently and behave differently than if you believed that we live multiple lives in the future?
@@Resmith18SR I'm sure there will be deviations in my behavior but IMHO the values you stated should not be conditioned by factoring in the #'s or lack of possible lives. My personal contemplation has allowed me to formulate an opinion about my fellows Christians (my faith tradition and baptismal identity) as inconsistent at best. I understand my faith to be not a philosophical proposition of my own reflection rather a practice discipline of how I must relate to others in a way that will probably contradict the world's expectations. Indeed that will require a leap of faith rather than I should behave in a certain way because I only have one life to live.
People who have had NDE's said the same thing.
Reaching Nirvana is similar to reaching Brahman which is similar to reaching Ohr Ein Sof and in these Planes of Existence the Ego no longer exists.
pleased to hear that sound is back!
Why is it that old things never end up panning out to be even remotely relevant in the future....
eastern religions are far better than abrahamic religions , more interesting
Groundhog Day
Whats a booooooodist ?
Its Buddhism not Booddism.
God Sri Krishna says our existence consist of 3 levels1. Gross body 2.subtle body i.e mind, intellect and ego and 3.soul.Now conciousness emarges from soul and mind is the interface between outer world and soul.
Your God Sri Krishna came on Earth, ate food, answered nature's call ?
@@micheal74rich He is supreme, He has not material body although He looks like us but He is above material nature.
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None of you can demonstrate either God exists. Grow up.
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That made zero sense.
Things that don't exist are immaterial.
So are we supposed to believe that their cultural mythology is a valid explanation of the reality we exist in ?
As an atheist you don't have to worry about going to hell.
being an atheist, it is difficult to find the meaning of life
@@levellerMQ knights templar on "The why files" from two weeks ago might help.
No more Chinese buddhism. No more mahayana. All of those views contradict original buddhism. Please interview a real buddhist like bhikkhu bodhi
True.
I have his translation of a few Nikayas.
I can't wait for the CTT episode that discusses the implications of astrology.
Having to live over and over again strikes me as horrific.
Idk man better than burning for eternally
All possibilities are horrific, eternal darkness(nothingness), eternal hell/ heaven, etc
@@hemant05 "eternal darkness(nothingness)" Lol! How is there "nothingness" and you are there? Don't you see the contradiction?
our mind exists as long as the brain is alive, you can check it right now@@karlschmied6218
Reincarnation is go continues. No born no die. 🤸♂️🕺🕴🏇⛷🧗♀️💃🏃♀️👯♂️🏃♂️🚶♀️🛌🧘♀️💃🕴🏃♂️🤼♂️👨👦👦👨👩👧👧👭🤼♀️🏃♂️
There is no belief in reincarnation in Buddha Dharma. The Buddha Dharma is based on scientific rational observable truth. The speaker is referring to the later versions of Mahayana beliefs. Buddha Dharma questions the concept of "self". There is no evidence of a "self". And if there is no self to begin with what is there to reborn? It's contradictory. Buddha Dharma explains that the "Self" or the "I" is an emergent property of the constructions of fundamental physical elements. And those properties are unique because they emerge from a chain of previous constructions. That's Karma. Buddha Dharma explains that these constructs can re-form randomly. And when a previous construct reforms, it then continues. That's all. The Buddha then gives a rational process to eliminate this block chain. Nirvana is not a place or a state. It's a non-state. May The Dharma Guide Your Way!
Look up Generic Subjective Continuity, from the essay "Death Nothingness and Subjectivity". Sam Harris did a podcast on it.
Life is a duality visible dream existence, where the Sun Shines to Illuminate the I. Life is where the I gets an opportunity to seek self Truth through "Stillness & Self Inquiry. Life is where the I get to animate a body. On the other hand, Death is an invisible to the i wearing a body. dream inside a dream existence. Death is when the I leave out of the body and go to exist below the earth in the Underworld/invisible Dream inside a dream existence, where the Sun does not shine.
What is Enlightenment? If while the I is Animating this body the I come awake from sleeping and turn your Light back on to dissolve the "Ego False Self" , Then The I would join unification with the I "REAL SELF" to return to truth and End the cycle of Ego False Self.
Fortunately, Right now the I Self Supreme Is Dissolving the Ego and waking up all the I And I as fragment fractal Selves trapped and enslave inside a dream. All will return to the I "Singular Unmanifest,Nonbeing, Stillness One True Self. THis evil Dream Existence will be destroyed. All Souls are Free. All Selves Are Free. Victory! Victory!
I love how at the end he says, here's a new set of problems and here's a new set of solutions. That's pretty much how religions work. They set up a problem that doesn't otherwise exist, and then make claims about being uniquely positioned to solve said problems. That's why i love Daoism. There's no problems 😊
Theory discussed. Then there is also the significant body of evidence collected and studied by U of VA DOPS and a few other researchers for over 40 years.
Judaism also believes in a afterlife and in Reincarnation 🎗🙏🇮🇱
There is no proof of souls. This is patently false and cruel.
There is no proof there isn't either
@@timsnyder8431 then the correct answer would be I don't know.
While Buddhism and Jainism deny the existence of God and adopt a more scientific approach, Hinduism does accept God .
Buddhism isn't what Buddha taught. Buddha never denied God or Soul. Buddha declared what the Soul wasn't, the method of netti netti.
@@S3RAVA3LM Buddha never thought blind acceptance of God. Buddha was greatest scientist with great spiritual experience. Infact only people who don't accept blind beliefs have more possibility of spiritual experiences.
😂
Absolutely NO EVIDENCE just Opinions of people making stuff up.
Furrher from Truth!
There can be no physical reality without death. With each incarnation, we get to experience a physical life from a different perspective, in a different form.
8:39 so, all the atoms are recycled back into this world besides the identity to which they temporarily belonged or is the identity also preserved or recycled or pooled🤔
yes
Point of correction, Africans, specifically black Africans know and agree with reincarnation. I am a reincarnation of someone in my father's lineage. I was extremely rugged and possess something i know I have now. I just keep it dull before someone awakens me and make it 1000 times or more stronger.
There is no life after death.
The term "death", sort of, gives it away. :)
The two major empiricist movements failed in their respective projects, which means they ultimately failed to answer the rationalist on matters concerning speculative knowledge. I, for one, would not be so cocksure while spouting empiricist type nonsense.
You don't know that any more than someone who claims they know there is life after death knows that.
@@100percentSNAFU At least we have life before death. All the rest is just made up unproven nonsense.
My dad died a few years ago and I am still alive, so there is life after death.
There is no clear evidence Ghuttam Bhudda taught these things.
There's no lie like Christian "truth".
And no hate like Christian "love".
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This video has nothing to do with Christianity. You could just as well talk about Bigfoot and it would be equally as relevant. Apparently you have some sort of grudge. Did your priest touch you inappropriately when you were a young boy 😂😂😂
Mr Robert you nailed it wonderfully.
Excellent discussion.
Good discussion.
Good and bad are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
When I got hit by a car. I was in a coma shortly after the accident.
From my personal traumatic experience Buddhism is VERY real…I have a writing about my experience in detail.
But I experienced Buddhism AND Christianity combined ✝️
@@halcyon2864 holy crab 🦀
That’s EXACTLY what I think. But soon the realization I had will happen for ALL humanity 😎I don’t know when, but it will happen soon!
@@halcyon2864 is that you, Mary?
@@halcyon2864 Maryam. If it really is you? I don’t know. I’m so dang humbled. I love you so much for many reasons and saving me at the right moment. Destiny is very real.
@@halcyon2864answer the man, are you Mary?
@@halcyon2864 Cringe
I love fantasy stories.
Good Girl! 👌
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Overcoming the mind is very difficult the Wiseman state. People by default think in conditioned terms never questioning it.
Reductionism is a process, and so too, retroduction. The Buddha in Nikayas utilizes retroduction often, running it back to sensations, desires, impulses, perceptions, mentations, mind, buddhi, consciousness, states, environment, further to acknowledging this Anattta which is Atman, revealed by method of netti netti or via negativa. Whereas, the materialists apply reductionism running it back to elements, qualities to particles and events..
If you consider the term 'consubstantial' it may help understand retroduction. All of this, and there is no other way, must be consubstantial.. the problem with materialists, and they've been proven erroneous everytime, is they don't want to acknowledge Subject, Atman or paramatma, and Soul.
ALL OF THE GREATS, they resort to metaphysics and realizing emanation.
Modern science is absolutely perverted, and quantum is relativity and hasn't nor ever will a logical and plausible model of ALL THIS. There has been very incredible men of antiquity who have put the time in to seek the Truth...but, materialists enjoy their senses placed as criterion and are unable to acknlwedge that their 5 senses are simply limited. Transcendental means a few things, one of which is the sense perception organs cannot touch or interact with things their faculties have no relation to. If you never had ears, the faculty being hearing, there wouldn't be the activity with sound so hearing.
the one. Emanation. Essence. Principles. Soul. Being.Consubstantial. Aether. Light. Modality. Perturbation modality. Nature(s). Multiplicity.
🐟 09. REINCARNATION (OR NOT):
Just as there is NOTHING about an individual person (neither any particle of matter, nor any mental object whatsoever) which remains intact from conception till death, there is NOTHING about the individual person (that is, the “ego”, as defined in the following chapter) which transfers to another body after death, except, perhaps, habitual tendencies in the form of indelible mental impressions (“vāsanā”, in Sanskrit).
For example, in my present incarnation, I have a strong affinity for the culture of Bhārata (India), a highly-advanced intellectual capacity, a very slim body, and an attraction to a frugivorous diet. That suggests there was an Indian spiritual master in the previous century which had some (or perhaps, even all) of these characteristics, but it was not “ME”, since what I am now is this ever-mutable Australian-born Aryan gentleman.
These “subtle mind impressions” are known in psychology as the “collective unconscious”, in new-age spirituality as the “akashic records”, and in Islam as the “Preserved Tablet”. There is an abundance of evidence that humans are born with certain psycho-emotive links to previous persons, times and places. It is far beyond the purview of this document to list such evidences. As mentioned, in my case, I have an EXTREMELY strong association with all things Indian, despite not being of Indian origin, and the “collective unconscious” hypothesis seems to be the best explanation for this bond currently available, in my opinion (although the term “collective conscious” would, perhaps, be more accurate).
For the popular view of reincarnation to be plausible, there would need to be an entity or an OBJECT called a “soul” (“jīva” or “ātman”, in Sanskrit), which somehow finds a copulating couple, then enters the woman’s uterus, to inhabit a zygote.
Assuming the existence of an individual spiritual soul is profoundly illogical, because spirit is (by most definitions) the antithesis of finite matter. Therefore, how can an immaterial “soul” be confined to a single person’s body?
It seems rather strange to believe that the universe was organized naturalistically in such a manner as to recycle an object called a “soul”, or even to recycle minds, particularly when one understands that a mind is naught but a series of flickering thoughts, feelings, images, and memories. Some believe that the “thing” which transfers to the next incarnation are the remnants of one's actions (“vāsanā” or “saṃskāra”, in Sanskrit) or at least one's psychological disposition (likes, dislikes, phobias, etcetera). This is far closer to the idea of the collective unconscious, and even if it is a perfectly accurate account of what occurs after death, it still cannot give substance to the notion of a SEPARATE individual which is travelling from one body to another and again to another (“saṃsāra”, in Sanskrit).
According to the law of conservation of energy, first proposed and tested by Émilie du Châtelet, energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another. Both this law, and Dr. Leonard Susskind's minus-first law of physics, states that energy/information is indestructible.
The analogy of one candle being lit by another candle is apt. Are the two flames the same flame or completely different flames? According to those laws, PART of the energy is transferred from one wick to the other wick, a portion of the energy is released by the flame, and part of the energy remains with the original candle.
Regarding reincarnation, a rather appropriate analogy could be that of a whirlpool in a stream of liquid. A whirlpool is a definite form within a river but, just like the human form itself, it is never static. Some water molecules which were once swirling within one whirlpool may move farther downstream, mix with other water particles, and form a new, distinct whirlpool.
So, in my particular case, it is eminently possible that a vast amount of “Indian energy” was transferred to my psyche from one or more persons from Bhārata (the proper name of the country), plus the addition of genetic matter from my Persian parents and their Aryan heritage. The fact that BOTH Iranians and North Indians are Aryan seems to add further credence to my hypothesis, even if to a small degree.
Of course, there is no conclusive proof for such types of claims at this stage in human history, but the evidence is certainly extant, and as mentioned, the profusion of evidence available goes far beyond the purview of this document. One ought to do one's own thorough research into the matter, rather than relying on anecdotal testimonies. There are several well-documented books and videos published on the subject.
There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that my essential nature has NOT transferred from one body to another body, because I have fully understood and realized, by practicing the four systems of yoga/religion described in Chapter 16, that my true nature is Brahman (see Chapters 06 & 10 to learn of the Real Self). There is no such thing as a “soul” or “spirit”, unless, of course, one defines those words to mean the subject (that is, the observer of all temporal phenomena), and logically, the subject cannot be an object, at least in the transactional sphere.
Cont...
Implying, then, that all claims that individuals can remember their past lives, sometimes through hypnosis, are false. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I really have no strong opinion about that.
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When I die, my physical body, composed of the five gross material elements (“sthūla-śarīra”, in Sanskrit), will be reabsorbed into the biosphere, whilst the non-tangible aspect of my body, composed of the three subtle material elements (“sūkṣma śarīra”, in Sanskrit), will possibly merge with the collective unconscious, and the story of my life will come to an end FOREVER. See Chapter 05 regarding the eight elemental groups. It seems likely, judging by the evidence, that the “vāsanā” of a deceased person may transfer to more than a single individual. That explains why there are so many persons at once claiming to be the reincarnation of certain famous personalities.
The fact that human life ends at death is difficult for many to accept, since they are thoroughly attached to their pseudo-egos, their intellects, their minds, their bodies, their loved-ones, and their possessions. However, when one realizes that one is not an ever-mutating psycho-physical organism, but, essentially, never-changing, all-pervasive CONSCIOUS AWARENESS (“Brahman”, in Sanskrit), all fear is alleviated.
The only “thing” remaining of a person at the time of death is the only “thing” which has ever “existed” - Pure Unalloyed Awareness, or Eternal-Conscious-Peace (“sacchidānanda”, in Sanskrit). We do not normally dread the dreamless portions of our nightly sleep cycles, so why would we fear a more permanent period of existence similar to deep-sleep? This existential crises is the basis of most all angst and uneasiness. So, fear not - death is a normal, NATURAL, and even a necessary consequence of conception. That which has a beginning, surely must end.
Putting aside whether or not reincarnation is an accurate account of what happens in this world, it is ABSOLUTELY certain that we receive a completely new body approximately every seven years (via a gradual process, of course). Our first body was a microscopically-sized zygote and our present body is several kilograms heavier. From where has all that extra weight come? Obviously, it came from all the nutrients that we have absorbed via the umbilical cord in our mother's uterus, or via the food, air and water we have consumed since birth.
Therefore, one who believes that he is nothing more than the body-mind organism is grossly ignorant of basic biological science. Genetically, approximately half of the cells in the body are not even of human origin, believe it or not! We can all easily understand that our infantile body is completely and utterly different to our present-day form, so logically, our true identity must be something quite APART from it. Nothing, including one’s genetic code, remains constant from conception to death. The sense of self does not even make its appearance in our psyche until two or three years after conception. Therefore, a person is more accurately defined as a process (a verb), rather than an object (a noun).
For the sake of philosophical IMPARTIALITY, it is germane to acknowledge the perspectives of other eminent pundits. E.g. In “Bhagavad-gītā”, one of the very greatest spiritual authorities the world has ever known, Lord Śri Krishna, uses the analogy of how the individual person (“ego”, in Latin, or “jīvātman”, in Sanskrit) travels through the various stages of life (that is, from childhood, to pubescent adulthood, to geriatric), with His description of the process of reincarnation, as conceived by the ancient seers (“ṛṣi” [rishi], in Sanskrit) of India (“Bhārata”, in Sanskrit).
“...each person is destined to die once...”
Anonymous (possibly Paul of Tarsus),
Letter to the Hebrews, 9:27.
N.B. Ironically, the author of the above letter was a close disciple (or at least a follower) of Lord Jesus of Nazareth, who, according to the New Testament portion of the Judeo-Christian holy book, raised his acquaintance, Lazarus, from the dead. Logically speaking, Lazarus must surely have died more than one time, as did the many dead persons who were supposedly raised from their graves at the crucifixion of Lord Jesus.
Assuming that Paul was the author of the Letter to the Hebrews, he himself even raised a young man from the dead (although, in that case, the man, Eutychus, was dead for only a very short period of time, so it was likely that he was merely unconscious, rather than fully deceased).
OBVIOUSLY, the writer means that, generally speaking, each individual person is destined for one life alone, as opposed to any alternative scenario such as reincarnation. Yet, as we now know, humans beings are not stable objects, but ever-mutating processes of mind and matter.
“The entity that is supposed to be reincarnated in another body, does not even itself exist, except as a concept!
How can a mere concept be reborn?”
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“When you are dead, you will be back in the primordial state of rest, which existed before you were born; that stillness before all experience.
It is only the false sense of a limited, separate 'me', that deprives life of its meaning and gives death an ominous significance, which it really does not have.”
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“The fear of death, is actually a product of the desire to perpetuate one's identity. Were you not dead before you were born?
Those who know Reality, know the falsehood of life and death.”
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“What is born, must in due course, die.
The objective body, will thereafter be dissolved and irrevocably annihilated.
What was once a sentient being, will be destroyed, never to be reborn.
But consciousness is not objective - not a thing at all.
Therefore, consciousness is neither born nor dies, and certainly cannot be 'reborn'.”
Ramesh S. Balsekar,
Indian Spiritual Teacher.
@@bearcb Edgar Cayce helped people by having them realize their past lives through past life regression hypnosis and they learned that a lot of their phobias that they had in this life were caused by past life experiences in a previous life.
Individual love and sacrifice has reached the epitome of being meaningless, nothing, nada with such philosophical conclusion. Really inspiring!
Basically, I think about it like this, all life is the same machine in a different form (evolution), the individual dies but the machine lives on. You can call it reincarnation but there are already billions of you here.
If you're really lucky, youl remember this universe if and when the next one comes into being.. these numbers can't be computed even in all times it would take.
"Death, Life After Death, Reincarnation"
-- Death - this is when your temporary human vessel, or physical body, dies where only your aware immortal soul survives...
-- Life After Death - this is where and how your surviving aware immortal soul exists, either suffering in hell or joyous in Heaven, depending on what you have chosen to believe while you were still breathing....
-- Reincarnation - this is when our loving God allows your lost soul to be born again, for some good reason like having been aborted back to hell, etc., so to have another chance of salvation through faith...
Now, those who have chosen to believe in achieving Nirvana by being enlightened enough through series of a soul's reincarnations, ask yourselves this question : "After thousands and thousands of mankind's existence having all these series of reincarnations and learnings, why are immoral dummies multiplying instead today ?"
In other words, Hinduism, Buddhism, Chinism all do not make any iota of sense.... What can not make sense is never closer to the truth. If it does not fit, you must acquit !
@@Jun_kid Time is neither matter, nor energy, nor spirit, so, it does not exist....
...now, bring me bottles of yesterdays and barrels of tomorrows to prove that time really exists... if you can not, then you may realize that it is you who needs more learning...
@@Jun_kid claiming time exists but failed to bring bottles of yesterdays and barrels of tomorrows to prove it only means some kid is already rotten before getting ripe...
@@Jun_kid you came in here insulting my growth, and now you are crying already ?..
... go back to your mom and cry... do not do it here, poor lost child.. what a pity ..
I wonder what Hitler came back as? Maybe as Nutsanyahoo? LoL 🤣
Why do intelligent people start their sentences with the word, "So" ?????
Did you know: Jesus Christ's philosophy is that of Buddha.
Reincarnation specifically work with men mainly. You "MUST" get there. And, your ancestors already leave in the earth and in YOU.
500 years AFTER bhuda? Who the heck made that up?
Christianity, African rites and Buddhism have similar rite, but today's PhD holders, pastors, and scientist underrate the most common healing energy between each individuals and focus on food and herbs, the very things that make us stumble.
Buddhism says life is suffering. And nirvana is when you end reincarnation. Starts with a very negative premises. I don't dig it.
From this interview we can see that Chinese religion and Buddhism are worshiping of unknowns that can be known ( because it solely depends on teaching or ideas of the pioneers like Confucius or Gautama Buddha and never on Gods knowledge or revelations like Abrahamic religions). However it clear that the teaching was derived and a form of modification of Hinduism teachings except perhaps about worshiping of the spirit of the ancestors are originally Chinese ideas.
We can't complete our complete understanding with read any books or learn any person.For personal understanding we need right practice that you like or your favourite rules with any good books or any good rules that made us accurate and more accurate our daily life activities and our correct life activities can feel us something big or something unreal think or something more or something more Deep for our good feel and beyond that we need.Your personal answers is you.God will help you.
"Enlightenment is a simple realization that everything is as it should be.
That is the definition of enlightenment: everything is as it should be, everything is utterly perfect as it is. That feeling...and you are suddenly at home. Nothing is being missed. You are part, an organic part of this tremendous, beautiful whole. You are relaxed in it, surrendered in it. You don´t exist separately - all separation has disappeared.
A great rejoicing happens, because with the ego disappearing there is no worry left, with the ego disappearing there is no anguish left, with the ego disappearing there is no possibility of death any more. This is what enlightenment is. It is the understanding that all is good, that all is beautiful - and it is beautiful as it is. Everything is in tremendous harmony, in accord."
This interview was really good 👍 👌 👏 🙌 More please 🙏
To say there is a hierarchy of beings among all living things is very judgemental. If a man comes back as a horse why is a horse considered beneath a man on the laddar to Nirvana? Who came up with this arbitrary assignment of hierarchy?
DO YOU KNOW , WHY YOU ARE HERE ,
YOU ARE HERE TO KNOW & TO EXPLORE SOMETHING BEYOND MEMORY ,
BUT YOU ARE FOOLISHLY MISGUIDED BY SOME OVER RULING MIND SYSTEM FOR JUST BOOSTING MEMORY WITH YOUR AWARENESS ,
IN RETURN YOU ARE REWARDED WITH DESIRES ,
WHILE SEARCHING BEYOND MEMORY ,
YOU WILL BE REWARDED WITH TRUE HAPPINESS ,
O MERE YAARA RAY
(1:30) *TJ: **_"That's how many life(s) that it takes to go through this."_* ... This is the same a priori problem that's present in most religion-based constructs. In religion, there is a certain _"mental state"_ or _"point of realization"_ that one must achieve in order to reach nirvana, heaven, a harem of beautiful virgins, or whatever. This presupposes that this state is already known by the universe (or God) and us poor, uneducated humans must somehow acquire this knowledge through pain and suffering.
My argument is that us poor, uneducated humans are the ones who are actually creating this morality through our own a posteriori process. That's why morals keep "evolving" over time and also why some of the morals found in the Old Testament were supplanted by morals written in the New Testament.
Until demonstrated otherwise, we represent the highest order of intelligence in the known universe. We are 'writing the script" for what constitutes morality with every day that passes and through every circumstance we face. ... However, this does NOT mean that these religion-based constructs aren't aiding us on how we write that script!
Humans have been at war with each other for 90% of the time (93% for the USA) since the beginning of "civilised living" 10,000 years ago. When we are not slaughtering each other in wars, we find a bunch of scapegoats to blame for our ordinary, unresolved existential angst. And that's not even mentioning our dreadful relationship with non-human organisms. Since we inevitably have to deal with natural disasters, diseases, predation and death, suffering is a given in life. That being the case, to add to this equation by means of artificial threats, seems the epitome of stupidity and immorality.
When it comes to offering solutions, Buddhism tackles the reality of suffering head on by acknowledging it as the first "noble truth". Nothing whatsoever must be "acquired through pain and suffering". On the contrary: Buddha taught the exact opposite. Nirvana simply means "blowing out" which is not a "mental state" or a "realisation" to be reached but a constant possibility at any moment. In Buddhism, what must be realised is not Nirvana, which is considered to be our essential state, but the conditions that prevents us from being in that state here and now. That's a far cry from Abrahamic religions that glorify suffering (crucifixion and martyrdom) all the while promising an end to it in a hypothetical afterlife.
Meanwhile, there are also secular solutions to the question of suffering. Freud resumed them thus: Oblivion, regulation and/or repression of the instinctual drives (eg. by practicing yoga), aesthetic transcendence and isolation (I.E.: the hermit's path).
@@Samsara_is_dukkha *"That being the case, to add to this equation by means of artificial threats, seems the epitome of stupidity and immorality. "*
... Existential lessons come with a hefty price tag.
*"When it comes to offering solutions, Buddhism tackles the reality of suffering head on by acknowledging it as the first "noble truth". Nothing whatsoever must be "acquired through pain and suffering."*
... The first _Homo sapiens_ from over 300,000 years ago were not Buddhists nor representative of any other religion / ideology. All of these religions, ideologies, and secular solutions emerged later on as we evolved due to our desire for understanding. We've learned what to do to bring us pleasure and what _not_ to do that which brings us pain. You cannot learn about "Existence" without dealing with both _pleasure_ AND _pain_ because you cannot comprehend one without the other.
*"That's a far cry from Abrahamic religions that glorify suffering (crucifixion and martyrdom) all the while promising an end to it in a hypothetical afterlife."*
... Our lives are a mixture of joy and happiness juxtaposed with pain and suffering. One religion might choose to lead one to joy and happiness through peaceful introspect whereas another religion might choose to lead you off the path of pain and suffering by showing you the consequences of evil deeds. ... Regardless of their diametrically opposed approaches, both religions have the same goal.
Upvote for an extremely well-thought-out comment.
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC "... Existential lessons come with a hefty price tag."
The threat of total annihilation by thermonuclear weapons is not an unavoidable price tag that must be added to the hefty price tag inherent in the already difficult existential situation we are in. Such approach to life is insane, rooted in theism and in our underlying existential rage at being forced to live and suffer in an imperfect world. It is not by chance that nuclear weapons were invented shortly after the 19th century during which god was declared dead, first by Darwin then by others such as Nietzsche. Such radical declaration effectively ended a long period dominated by Fatalism and effectively initiated the Anthropocene, characterised, among other signs, by an ongoing human-made mass extinction of species that can be understood as a symptom of a rebellion against the previous paradigm of having to live in "god's creation". God is dead and we can do better, so let's first incinerate this life-infected rocky planet and start over with genetically perfected organisms, bionic trans-humans, robots and AI.
"The first Homo sapiens from over 300,000 years ago were not Buddhists nor representative of any other religion / ideology."
That's debatable. Buddhism is essentially Hinduism packaged for export. Meanwhile, both Hinduism and Taoism are rooted in shamanism that goes back since humans have had some awareness of death which is obviously hard to pinpoint. The response to the fact of death obviously varies but the question remains essentially the same.
"All of these religions, ideologies, and secular solutions emerged later on as we evolved due to our desire for understanding. We've learned what to do to bring us pleasure and what not to do that which brings us pain. You cannot learn about "Existence" without dealing with both pleasure AND pain because you cannot comprehend one without the other."
While the shaman's response of establishing communication with the underworld of the dead and the supernal world of the gods was at once fatalistic and practical, civilisations and religions are no less of a death-denying exercise albeit more sophisticated which does not automatically imply a better understanding. We have no more insights in the meaning of life and death or pain and pleasure than we had hundreds of thousands years ago. As a matter of fact, our current industrial civilisation has narrowly and dangerously reduced the pain/pleasure principle to the systematic numbing of pain and to the compulsive acquisition of things with the serious consequence of objectifying everything, including ourselves.
"Regardless of their diametrically opposed approaches, both religions have the same goal."
That's also debatable since Abrahamic religions postulate a top down approach whereby special humans are chosen by a supernatural entity that inflicts the most terrible suffering imaginable on their chosen targets - Eg. Christ and the thousands of followers that were subsequently slaughtered by the Romans et al. - before they are eventually rewarded after death with a ticket to paradise where they can enjoy eternal bliss while playing the harp on a little cloud. Meanwhile, Taoism and Buddhism both offer a bottom up approach whereby any ordinary individuals can live a relatively pain-free life by his or her own efforts here and now. That being the case, it seems that these approaches have radically different goals.
@@Samsara_is_dukkha *"The threat of total annihilation by thermonuclear weapons is not an unavoidable price tag that must be added to the hefty price tag inherent in the already difficult existential situation we are in."*
... Yes, it is. I'm sorry, but with increased levels of intelligence comes corresponding levels of danger. When our species discovered nuclear power, two paths simultaneously emerged: the capacity for increased energy production and the development of weaponry capable of total annihilation.
That's just the way "Existence" works, my friend. ... It's unavoidable.
*"That's debatable. That's debatable. Buddhism is essentially Hinduism packaged for export. Meanwhile, both Hinduism and Taoism are rooted in shamanism that goes back since humans have had some awareness of death which is obviously hard to pinpoint."*
... No, it's not. Historians cite the emergence of Hinduism to be somewhere between 2300 BC and 1500 BC. At a bare minimum, that's 296,000 years out of 300,000 of Homo sapiens existing without Hinduism.
*"We have no more insights in the meaning of life and death or pain and pleasure than we had hundreds of thousands years ago."*
... Yes, we do. This is the first time in human history that we possess the capacity to not only annihilate our own species, but also end all life on our planet. This is also the first time in human history where science has revealed aspects of our existence never before imagined by Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, nor anyone else.
We no longer toss gladiators and slaves into the arena of the Colosseum and have them fight to the bitter death. Instead, we hand them helmets, padding, a football and beautiful billionaire pop singers. Denying this type of existential progress does not speak to reality.
*"That being the case, it seems that these approaches have radically different goals."*
... Your blatantly biased critique of Christianity reads more like an op-ad piece in support of one political candidate over another rather than an accurate depiction of the Christian faith. Watching "religious people" incessantly quibble over how their religion is so much better than everyone else's is mirrored in the annoying way modern politics plays out. It's also why I am not a member of any religion or political party.
At the heart of Christianity are these edicts: judge not lest ye be judged, do not kill, turn the other cheek, turn away from greed, hate, gluttony, adultery, help the poor, and Christ's last decree which was _"Love others as I have loved you."_
Now, if you want to officially go on record in claiming that Buddhism doesn't support these same edicts, then you would be *absolutely correct* in stating that Buddhism and Christianity don't share the same goals. ... Are you willing to do that for me in your next reply?
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC "Yes, it is. I'm sorry, but with increased levels of intelligence comes corresponding levels of danger."
That puts an interesting spin on the notion of "intelligence". If increased intelligence is synonym with increased danger, then it is not intelligence at all. As previously said, there is nothing intelligent about increasing the levels of danger we already face with natural disasters, diseases and, in any case, the inevitability of death.
"Historians cite the emergence of Hinduism to be somewhere between 2300 BC and 1500 BC. At a bare minimum, that's 296,000 years out of 300,000 of Homo sapiens existing without Hinduism."
Buddha's birth is supposed to have taken place some 2,500 years ago (2,564 years according to the Buddhist calendar) and we know that Hinduism pre-dates Buddhism. So
that is just plain wrong. But that's not very important. What's important is that people did not come to Hinduism, Buddhism or any other religious form all of a sudden. As already stated, it was a long process rooted in shamanism that unfolded over tens of millennia. Essentially, shamanism is an attempt at denying death. And when it fails as it always does eventually, the shaman then enters into a dialog with the deceased and acts as a medium with the world of the living.
"Yes, we do. This is the first time in human history that we possess the capacity to not only annihilate our own species, but also end all life on our planet. This is also the first time in human history where science has revealed aspects of our existence never before imagined by Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, nor anyone else."
Okay... Then tell us why there is a Universe instead of nothing; Why we are here; And what is the meaning of Life and Death.
Science does not provided a single answer to "why" questions. At best, it provides incomplete answers to "how" questions.
"We no longer toss gladiators and slaves into the arena of the Colosseum and have them fight to the bitter death..."
Quite right... Instead of that we now watch "the free world" drop several million tons of bombs, agent orange, napalm, depleted uranium and god knows what else on Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians, Afghans, Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, Houties, etc. on TV while eating popcorn. And that's after fighting two World Wars with everything available including poison gas, biological agents and nuclear weapons while parking people in death camps.
"Your blatantly biased critique of Christianity..."
Christianity is what it is. Its historical track record speaks for itself: From Roman Persecutions, to forced conversions, to the Crusades, to the Religious Wars, to the Inquisition, etc. I cannot find any historical equivalent with Buddhism or Taoism.
"At the heart of Christianity are these edicts..."
Yes, in theory... But in practice, it's a completely different story: Christian countries have factually been the most domineering, greedy and violent in history and still are to this day.
"Now, if you want to officially go on record in claiming that Buddhism doesn't support these same edicts..."
Of course there are common points. But if you fail to see major differences between western and eastern religions/philosophy then this conversation is pointless. As I said in my first answer, nirvana cannot be equated with "heaven or a harem of beautiful virgins". Such notions are specific to Abrahamic religions and have no place in eastern religious philosophies although they share in common the notion of eternal life whatever that may mean.
This philosophy is all man made and full of contradions depending on the sect.
This is a human take on existence
Guys his Religious is bluff . How he figure his Religious is No Sense .Rambling gibberich. Guys is chronic liar when he keep out honestly fact Religious proceendings.
Lol, which religion is right then?
@@gamesandthoughts2388 The one he believes in, of course. Isn't it always that way?
@@andreasplosky8516 I was just making sure that the world is still fine
The oldest Abrahamic teachings as well as the teachings of Jesus are to live and serve for today, for the here and now because living and serving for a 'next' is acting from self-interest and not acting from a true place of the heart. Too much has been warped by man and time and the cravings for control and power.
Buddhism is about individual and collective... if you go back far enough and leave preconceptions behind and see the simplicity of things you will see that all the rivers of religions and beliefs all come from the same source and all say and teach the same things from different views of the same tree.
Within the individual and the collective, however, is a struggle of two forces or kinds of people, those that are empty and must consume others of which there are actually few and then all others. Actions must be taken in one form or another or there is no all's well that ends well. Individual 'Nirvana' at the cost of ceasing to engage and serve life is a delusion, not an ascension.
That is because self-interest works, self-preservation is the highest priority of an organism. Any ethical system that is not based on self interest will not work for average people, they are not enlightened and need to be herded.
It makes no more sense to suggest there's life after death than it does to ask where a wave that broke against the shoreline ten minutes ago is now.
*"It makes no more sense to suggest there's life after death than it does to ask where a wave that broke against the shoreline ten minutes ago is now."*
... Upvote for using such a creative way to make your point.
I wish I had your confidence that mind and it's fate can be explained so easy.
Why did you watch this video?
The wave itself is gone, but its energy has returned to the ocean.
@@0NeverEver The fate of the wave is easy to explain.
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The concept of reincarnation does not make any sense as it is based on the idea that an individual lives the punishment of someone else’s which is NOT THE WORLD WE KNOW OR THE WORLD WE CAN CLAIM ABOUT 8:38. Why do I have to suffer on the behalf of someone else while I even don’t know that there was a crime, what the crime was or that I am being punished, leave that being punished on behalf of someone else. The first thing a suspect is offered in THE WORLD WE KNOW AND THE WORLD WE CAN CLAIM ABOUT is that he will be notified of the punishment of his crime before doing it under a known law, notified about his crime after doing it, get the right to defend himself and then the final judgment of the punishment. The Abrahamic religions mainly Islam are more logical as it bears each individual his own responsibility for his fate in life and the day after.
"The concept of reincarnation does not make any sense as it is based on the idea that an individual lives the punishment of someone else’s "
That is not the general view of reincarnation at all, but there are many versions.
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Okay, but I believe that all versions don’t give an individual his independence from others which gives no meaning, reason or responsibility to improve his own life. Each person is a deep universe himself. That’s the normal feeling of each person to himself.
@@ismailsteitiya8785 Even though I am very impressed by Buddhist philosophy, and have a vast Buddhist library, I don't believe in any form of reincarnation, and/or supernatural nonsense. I am strictly a materialist myself.
We are all punished for the action of others, it is the result of living in social groups. This is why the Abrahamic faiths struggle with why does God let bad things happen to good people.
@@kpllc4209
You are mixing punishment with suffering and reincarnation with bad things happening in the result of social groupings.
Buddhism itself become a way-of-life 300 years after Buddha himself left the scene however nowadays Buddhism becomes a religion.
When we tell Buddhist, that Buddhism is a man-made ideas, a way-of-life or a 'religion' for sake, Buddhist get offended and yet we all know there is no concept of God in the Buddhism. I found that quite ironic, how Buddhist get offended or upset, when one says accurate thing about their faith.
So was Christianity was created by Constantinople 350 after Jesus died.
@@sujok-acupuncture9246 Yes you are very right about it. None of the books in the NT existed when Jesus was around.
Same can be said to Jewish holy book, some of books of Torah, came into existed when Moses left the scene.
@@sujok-acupuncture9246 Christianity as we know it nowadays, did not come from the God of Abraham.
Judaism as we know it nowadays was mixed up with men's ideas, it has been polluted to its core.
When books were corrupted, it is not possible to know which came from God and which came from men, when one puts all the eggs in the same basket.
The creation of religions around these books... Bible , Quran, Gita , Dhammapada or any such books has only created chaos in the world. Huge chaos. Far worse than Hiroshima.
@@sujok-acupuncture9246 Have you read the Quran, if you have, please tell me who was speaking in the Quran?
What evidence is there for what is claimed here?
NDEs and the hard problem of consciousness.
@@ianwaltham1854 So absolutely nothing then?
Search "plane crash on fire, little man can't get out." There. There's your evidence right there.
@@tomjackson7755 No, the hard problem of consciousness is real. Science can't explain how conscious experience could be created by brain activity. You may believe consciousness is made by brains but that's all it is, just a belief.
NDEs are also real. The materialist wants to say they are lucid dreams or hallucinations but try telling that to the man who found himself walking around his hospital bed observing his own dead body and the reactions of others in the room. Then he gets pulled elsewhere, he may get a life review, and not only of the good. It could cause regret. He may be given the choice of whether or not to return. Prior belief is irrelevant. Experiences like this are often reported by materialists. Don't take my word for it, do some research.
What was claimed here?
Moving further from reality just so they can feel better.
The tradeoff isn’t worth it.
To thy own self be true
Apparently you are not a fan of the saying "to each their own". It seems an awful waste of energy to be so concerned with what others believe. And that goes not just for you but religious fanatics that want to "save" everyone else with their particular religion. Perhaps you had a bad experience with someone of that type. I don't know but frankly I don't give a crap what others believe, nor do I care what people think of what I believe.
@@100percentSNAFUYour response is pretty unintelligent. But that is kind of par for the course these days.
How is it unintelligent?
Would you say "to each their own" when it comes to anything in reality?
2 + 2 = 4.... "to each their own"
Mike Tyson can defeate any toddler... "to each their own"
The sun is hot... "to each their own"
In reality, when you hold on a pedestal "To each their own", you are really saying is "There isn't a reality. There isn't anything that is true, it is just personal opinion. "
Total bullshit.
You are welcome for the education.
Love the show always, but I think Robert is searching more for some pacifying reassurance as he ages than he is for truth. Always fun to contemplate the wonder of existence but this really has no value outside of quieting a mind that is tragically aware of its own impending annihilation.
Perhaps a cop out. We should ask Nietzche!
No, he's always had guests occasionally that talk about things he doesn't believe in.
If you got the impression from this interview that Kuhn believes in reincarnation or thinks it's plausible you're mistaken; he doesn't.
Kuhn's position has been very consistent for decades at this point. He doesn't believe in a god or afterlife but wishes there were, but he's not going to believe in something just because he would like it to be true.
@@b.g.5869 for sure and I understand that. I appreciate the odd episode here and there. It just seems lately there’s been an uptick in the woo woo content and while I think the channel benefits from the non-confrontational interview style, allowing these guests to just stream-of-consciousness their way through some fairly weighty topics without any pushback seems counterproductive to the goal of finding deeper truth.
@@asyetundetermined He's always occasionally had promoters of woo on the show from time to time; fortunately it's pretty rare.
He's had Rupert Sheldrake on the show, an astrologer, a psychic, a paranormal psycholocist; he's even had the King of Woo, Deepak Chopra, on the show.
I don't think he always makes it clear enough that he doesn't share their views and he definitely doesn't make it clear that the views these people promote are considered pseudoscientific.
I think he's just being polite but I think he can be polite without giving the false impression that these sort of woo woo views are scientific or generally taken seriously.
His UA-cam channel attracts a lot of woo enthusiasts as it is so this certainly doesn't help steer them into a direction of more critical and informed thinking.
0:42 TJ: so Buddhism and Hinduism and Chinism they all embrace the idea of reincarnation which basically postulate that there is the sort of multiplicity of you know there is multiple lives and then there is something that connects all of these life together through Karma until they for Buddhism until one achieve Nana or Awakening. 1:10 so for an individual, any particular individual person, you know, it geoes through very many many cycles of reincarnation until finally after all of these sort of meditation cultivation different kinds of practices, that's you know, (in each life) yeah in each life that's you know how many life that it takes to go through this and your cravig your attachment and this burning fire of desire that blows out and that's how uh peace would finally arrive taht's how the Nirvana would uh will be achieved (and this Nirvana is a conscious Nirvana it's not an extinguishing I mean you can have peace by being extinguished because then you have no suffering ) yeah but (that's not the kind of Nirvana) right it's supposed to be sometimes its' understood to be it's you know the comparison is made to something like um a state when one there is no longer any sort of internal tension there's no longer kind of duality there's no longer sort of self other distinction there there's other kinds of problem arises in the very structure of consciousness and all of our problems all of their sufferings when it really comes on to it uh according to Buddhism is these different kinds of dualistic structure of the mind of consciousness and if that somehwo is overcome then the Nirvana will be accomplished 2:50
With such a wide variety of beliefs. It all seems to rest on your personal opinion.
No. Dialectic. Reason. There's a light given man not by mere matter.
@@S3RAVA3LM
The previous 100 billion humans believed their gods were just as real. Were they, of course not. They were just as deluded by their cultural ego as you are. The idea that you have the truth is as ridiculous as those that believed in Odin or any of the other 300,000 gods we have created.
Religion is just what happens when you start beliving in your own ancient pagan cultural mythology.
It doesn't follow from the fact that there are a wide variety of beliefs that it's all just a matter of personal opinion.
Some beliefs are more plausible than others and some aren't plausible at all
What matters isn't personal opinion but whether or not your beliefs are supported by compelling evidence.
@@b.g.5869
So which one did you decide to sign up with ?
@@thomasridley8675 Which one? I have no idea what you are talking about.
I believe trees and dolphins exist for example, as well as dogs and cats, air, gravity; it's a long list.
Are you asking whether I hold some particular religious or spiritual belief?
.... ... Nirvana........
No reincarnation.
No birth.
No soul.
Something like incarnation and karma could make sense to me. Stuff like nirvana, where you are enlightened and no longer incarnate, on the other hand not so much. But i guess they gave it a finishing touch this way. Evolution is about refinement and sublimation that is why it is likely we as humans will evolve, which is something one wants to be a part of, that is why being excluded from those more advanced ''incarnation'' opportunities would be a sort of punishment.