Kitchen Painting with Farrow & Ball paints - conclusion
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- In this third and final part of our series, I'll conclude our kitchen painting project using Farrow and Ball paints. Throughout the process, I encountered some questions regarding opacity and the mixing of the paint, which shed light on why many professional painters hesitate to use F&B. Opacity can vary depending on the colour and application, requiring additional coats for full coverage in some cases.
Additionally, the unique mixing process of Farrow and Ball paints may differ from what some painters are accustomed to, leading to uncertainty and reluctance. These factors contribute to the tendency among professionals to explore alternative paint brands. However, despite these challenges, the quality and aesthetic appeal of F&B paints shine through.
The rich pigments and durable finish make them a compelling choice for those willing to invest the time and effort to achieve a premium result. While professional painters may have reservations, DIY enthusiasts can still achieve stunning outcomes with Farrow and Ball paints by carefully following instructions and embracing the unique characteristics of the product.
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I think your explanation at the summing up could be feasible. Fast moving colours made up in big vats and not so used made up as when needed at the merchants.
Finished job looked nice Phil.
Well done.
Kitchen looks lovely, like your attention to the detail and if you are not completely happy, it gets another coat. I had a professional decorator round the other day (a new build decorator from mass builder Bellway👀) he asked how I done my paint border lines in my kitchen, I said tape (like you say Phil it can give you flawless finish) the guy just sort of gave me a judgy look. After he had completed his job and left it was me who was judging his work and the bits I was going to have to take back and re-do.
I have always painted kitchens with brushes, but took your advice & used a roller, the paint conditioner, I used Floetrol, it rollered & dried very well, just a very slight orange peel effect, but a good finish & better than a brush.
I agree Phil, I used the correct F&B primer, but took three top coats for a flawless coverage.
The paint conditioner definitely helped, but I did note on the tin, it said do not use Paint conditioners, possibly for this reason.
Glad you’ve brought this matter up , most of my decorator pals don’t like using F&B.
Thanks Phil !
Glad you tried it.
What rollers?
Adding a conditioner shouldn't make any difference to the paint.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Yes, I agree, shouldn’t make any difference to the paint coverage.
I used Arroworthy microfibre medium pile and their short pile for the final coat.
Don’t mind farrow and ball at all. Good stuff for walls and ceilings if a little pricey.
We prefer a made for purpose kitchen paint for cupboards though. Sayerlack is our go to. Having the crosslinker to add the chemical resistance and extra durability is essential. Let’s you clean cupboards with normal kitchen sprays with no issues.
100% on tape as well. Loving your work Phil 👍🏻
Good honest review Phil, kitchen looks great 👍
Looks spot on phill.👍👏
F&B,s biggest problem for me is the quality doesn’t match the price. I personally don’t think it’s a good paint at all. 3 coats of eggshell is ridiculous at the price point. I use either caparol or Isomat eggshell and they’re both superior to F&B for half the price.
3 coats of eggshell used to be minimum, on posh jobs, 5 coats was not uncommon
@@englishdecoratorokay but was 3 coats necessary to make it look presentable
@juanrodriguez-deluca8820 well eggshell used to have to feel presentable and to get the eggshell lustre was 3 coats ,we used to feel our work in the old days haha
@@englishdecorator as opposed to now, do we leave our work covered in bits?
@@englishdecorator not really sure what point you're trying to make, the paint is sub par
Cracking job Phil your kitchen looks fantastic 😁👍🏻
Glad you like it
Fantastic finish as always Phil. F&B is a marketing company plain and simple, it's all about the branding.
Most Painters & Decorators if there honest do not like this stuff because
no.1 coverage is poor and you have to use there primer.
2. When quoting for work, the extra cost involved in paint and labour terms can make you appear expensive.
3. When you can get colour matches to within 99% with other high quality big brands, it simply makes no sense from an aesthetic nor monetary point of view. That's the view of it in Dublin anyway amongst most p&d's targeting the middle class market, cheers Alan Henley&Co
@@alanhartley9715 what’s your preferred alternative Alan just for interest? Thanks
Johnstones trade, for coverage per litre, opacity and colour matching, Tikurilla is also decent but harder to source@Liverpool1ne
Kitchen looks great Phil well done. I don't mind a bit of FB. The modern eggshell and the primers spray beautifully through both the quickshot and the gxff with no thinning. I like using the new flat stuff but it definitely needs letting up a bit with a splash of water due to it being so thick. Personally these days I give the customer 3 options if they want FB, I'll give them a price with FB, a price with a trade brand and finally a price with Benjamin Moore so then the client can see 2 other brands that fall either side at price point. 9 times out of 10 they still go for the FB!
Oh, and on the taping up? Yes, yes and yes again. I only started taping around 2 years ago but the results are just that tad better and for me, if it improves the job then it's a no brainer. 🎉
Lovely finish many thanks.
Thank you! Cheers!
That looks great!
Good video as always Phil, I think their paints are amazing love using them & also Little Greene too. The pigmentation and depth of colour is unrivalled in my opinion.
Glad you like them! shame its three top coats over the dark tones for that Stiffkey Blue
A fantastic refresh of your kitchen, too many people blow a big wedge of cash on brand new kitchens, when ultimately a good quality refresh is so much cheaper.
So true!
If I’m ever asked by a customer to use F&B (I never suggest it) I make them aware that it may not cover in two coats and if it needs a third they are liable for cost of more paint and the additional labour. I also make them aware that the emulsion is not available in 1 litre cans. Finally i only give them a price for labour and sundries and insist they supply the paint. It concentrates their mind!!
Used the modern eggshell this week not a dark colour two undercoat 3 top coats , never again😢
Hi Phil, I’ve got some delicate tape now so if I want crisp lines just wanted to clarify that it’s woodwork first then tape up and paint the walls rather than paint the walls (lapping onto the woodwork, then tape the wall edge and paint the woodwork?
If woodwork first do I need to be careful not to lap onto the wall too much as this could prevent the wall paint adhering properly (like if you were trying to paint over gloss) or is that not an issue when using waterbased woodwork paints?
Appreciate your advice 👍🏻
all correct.
i run a sand paper over the wall edge where any woodwork paint may be on the wall too much
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator looks like that’s the plan then thank you 😁
Dulux Heritage is the daddy!
lol out there are paint far superior than that. Cheaper too 😂
I'll stick with little green 💚
I personally like Farrow & Ball pants, I like to work for customers who prefer to use quality paints..a few years ago I was chatting to another decorator and I mentioned F & B ,paints to him, he said him and he named it "Cannon & Ball " he didn't like it too for some reason...😂😂
Not a fan of Armani pants?
Mark do your research and wise up mate
@@istheonlyway9339🙈🙄 perhaps you could wise up, or perhaps not😂
Farrow and ball shit.😮
@@malcolmmoffat2108 😂😂😂😂 stick to Leyland
10.9k great video Phil, do like a bit of farrow and ball paint. They also do free colour charts so you can show customers helps give them an idea.
the big folder colour swatch is about £125
A bit ridiculous an undercoat & 3 top coats
11k subs. as far as f&b the colours are beautiful but with the added price not just pound for pound but with labour and volume it's always going to be a hard sell when the cost could be close to double in the end. its up to the customer if the juice is woth the squeeze ult6
Has anyone said you look like that bloke from the office ??
Thanks for the fantastic video, very informative.
never watched it
I have heard so many painters over the years, that complain about F&B. Personally I find it goes on lovely, a nice gloppy consistency. A pro painter, should be able to use any paint in my opinion.
I totally agree!
Any paint? Any paint? Why would I lay 3-4-5 coats instead of 2? So you can overcharge customers? It's a shit paint except the dead flat one. But even that sometimes it flashes
@@istheonlyway9339 modern emulsion in our kitchen had three coats and it’s bombproof, you can wipe anything off it with no residue or marks whatsoever and it’s a lovely finish. Never seen a paint perform like it to be honest but I’m only just getting into more specialist paints from local paint merchant.
@Liverpool1ne 3 coats its waste of time. Kitchen can be done only in 2k paints if you want a durable finish. If F&B is bomb proof then 2k is nuclear proof. Also both tikkurila and benjamin moore outperforms F&B when it comes to scratch marks or scrubbing properties. Shit even Johnstone's is above. All of them are 2 coats system. Why would you buy more paint and lose more time?
@@istheonlyway9339 can a 2k product go over a previously painted waterbase surface?
It’s double the price of tikurilla Optiva 5
So as I understand it, most people complain about needing three coats of emulsion where other makes only need two and the F&B solution is to use a coat of primer then you only need two coats of emulsion.
That seems to me like still needing three coats - or am I missing something?
Did you watch all the video or skip a bit? ;)
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Yes I watched all - but you only have to watch from around 2.08 to hear Phil talk about primer coat - and to quote "I know it makes it three coats"
@@julianniemeyer1655 what was the question again?
Did you hear how many coats I did on the kitchen units using the Dark Tones primer/UC?
Do you think that finish is better than any other paint you have used Phil? If not you should not endorse it as it takes at least three coats if you are lucky to get a decent finish and it’s a way higher price point than other premium quality paints on the market.!
I also like F&B but why is it that they are the only paint company that sell a wall and woodwork primer for their products
The majority of other brands do do specify that you need to use there primers
It's a way of making more money
If you have to buy extra paint to cover in three, then thats a problem on the pricing up
If you go in heavy, you might lose the job
If the client supplies it, then fantastic
I also find that you can't touch in the estate emulsion which can be a nightmare
You just have to come to terms with the fact it's not a fast and cheap way of decorating
as long as your quote states you'll be using their UC and then two top coats.. it means your spec is sound. Priced accordingly.
Anyone pricing against you not doing the same spec can't give a like 4 like quote if they're not doing the same.
More importantly where did you get the polo shirt 😂 I'd love one of those! I'm sure my customers would appreciate it too
When you go as an invited guest for their factory tour (2016 edition shirt)
I'm not a pro by any means, but I've still got 25 years experience.
Farrow & Ball simply isn't up to the same standard as other paints, such as Tikurilla.
Where they got a foothold in the market is with their palettes.
But it's irrelevant these days as most decorating centres will tint paint to match.
My client doesn't care how much she spends on F&B i do advise on colour matching with other brands but she says NO!
For me estate emulsion and estate eggshell, the past 3 years, 2 coats always. Before that the formula was different and poor. Modern emulsion and eggshell is still poor.
As to using tape for neat edges, painters are the only trade that doesn't use some sort of level in there work, free hand cutting in.
laser level?
Even if you don't think you need Tape for clean lines it will stop spray on woodwork etc
Nothing but hassle when I've used it.
Lady rang me & said she needs room painting, she had tried touching up but just left a dotted wall, i thought she's probably dug out old paint from the shed but no it was like new but she bought another anyway, it was like a dark victorian green, i cut in then rolled up close around 2 inches from ceiling but it was flashing where i had cut in , so i ended up having to get a mini roler rolling sideways as close as possible around a quarter of an inch to get out of jail, horrible paint, won't say all but these dark chalky colours seem to be a problem
some Flow and Bond would have helped. But a dark colour in most brands are a nightmare
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator just never had a problem with anything else, twice F&B had issues 👍
It was still kak before the mixing machines
You could have tinted the bin aqua and saved yourself a bit of time!
I had to give a F-B colour 5 coats before it covered.
I live in Ferndown in Dorset 1 mile from the factory, purchased it at the factory.
Very poor coverage.
Most decorating businesses locally are of the same opinion as myself.
and thats over their Uc as well?
I've had to use 2 coats going over the same colour lol . Terrible stuff . Just taking the pee
Over priced none covering, I could go on!
It may be good if you want to spend twice as much money and twice as much time! I hate the stuff
Absolutely overpriced rubbish, I painted my entire lounge in F&B and when finished looked great but you couldn't touch a wall else it would mark, then after a while it went patchy. I would never waste my money again on what is a very good marketing strategy. I changed it all for another paint and never looked back!
Yeah. Those who know, don't use estate emulsion on walls. Modern emulsion all the way :)