Thanks for the video. I just received my version 3. What an incredible watch for the money. The proportions are perfect. Just feels and looks like quality. I’ve had Steinharts and sold them. They’re either too big or small. Steinhart pricing is good but after seeing the San Martin Steinhart looks expensive. Movement in Steinhart watches are better but this watch is keeping good time.
Yes, it truly is incredible for the money. I’m actually surprised that they can make high quality watches this cheap. I guess anything is possible in China, if the work labor and manufacturing process is cheap enough 🤷♂️ Thanks for watching and I’m glad that you like your new watch 👍
The movements are the same if you buy san martin with sw200-1. Had 2 Steinhart and sold the both cause San Martin is simply better made watch tham Steinhart. However sn017 is off... I do not like the looks at all... glass i to far from the dial amd there is more details I do not like. Sn019g is spot on
My friend, that comment really warms my heart. I´m just happy that someone even has the time to watch my content :) Thank you so much for watching and commenting.
I see San Martín getting the respect it diserves in a lot of channels. I think the brand is doing a fantastic job, the watches are amazing in every way, some details may be kinda weird, like the branding using the shark and other logos in the same piece, I wish they used the same unique logo on each watch, no issues about changing them among different models tho. Anyway, thanks for your honest review, stay safe, greetings from Colombia
That’s an interesting watch - thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree with you here. It’s a really nice watch for the price you’re paying. But I feel like it misses some identity. I wish San Martin would reconsider their branding and maybe extend to producing their own designs.
The san Martin is in fact manufactured at the same Cineaste factory that manufactures cases and bracelets for many swiss watches, such as Glycine and Steinhart.
@@DutchBulldog From Gary of "I Like Watches". He is in daily contact with one of this factory's managers/producers, a man called Maxi. One of the channel's subscribers designed a watched, and with the financial aid of us, 100 happy subscribers, this factory manufactures the watch. It already in production.
@@trogpo interesting stuff! I follow Gary’s channel for 8-9 months now. Happy to see that after the UA-cam ban he got things up and running again. I’m really looking forward to see his review of the new Cronos Submariner.
Dear friend, First of all, we need to clarify some unrealistic remarks, We don't have the so-called "same factory" incident as you said,We are constantly upgrading the quality of our products, More and more factories are cooperating with us, We have eliminated many accessory manufacturers that no longer meet our quality requirements. At present, the quality of these brands that rely on "Swiss factories" to promote watches still lags far behind ours. The so-called factory managers just want to borrow our "San Martin" quality as their brand promotion tools. We have never publicized our cooperation with Swiss factories,Quality and customer reputation are always more real than relying on others' fame. We have communicated this with Gary a long time ago, He also realized that these remarks brought us some troubles, So it deleted the video about these remarks. We no longer want to be used as tools by others, Please stop these untrue remarks. Thank you for your understanding and support!
My watch arrived and first I was very happy. It looks very good. After wearing it for some hours I noticed pain on my skin. The edges of the watch case and the bracelet are very sharp. I have a lot of watches and I never had such a bad feeling. I shall sell the watch at once. Also the warrenty card was not dated.
Nice review! Though I feel like the reasoning for putting Phoibos on top is pretty arbitrary, considering at the end of the day, you're comparing two homage watches so that fact that Phoibos makes original watches as well is a bit irrelevant.
I get your reasoning and if I was talking about which watch was the best then you’re right, what other watches a company produce should have nothing to do with it. But, when it comes to which brand I like the most, it’s a different story. Then things like original designs etc come into play. Then stuff like that matters. If you’re only copying stuff or actually trying to do something original. And that’s when a company like Phoibos wins my respect and one like SM just makes a good homage. And when choosing between two good watches, the way you feel about the brand overall might tip the scale in its favour 🤷♂️ Thanks for watching 🙏
Thanks for the video. I got my eye on the San Martin SN019G, but pricing seems to go up every time I look, over $350 now, which is a bit steep for an AliExpress homage.
There are a few channels I make sure not to miss and yours is one. Please give me your opinion. I have the San Martin SN017 in black and can't stop looking at it. For $200 this is an incredible watch and with sapphire and ceramic it pops. I feel like for the money it gives me close enough sensation to wearing a Rolex. The movement is ok, not great but acceptable. I'm trying to decide on a blue version; the Davosa Ternos 1615540 or the San Martin. Davosa is $600 more. Is it worth it? Are the lines softer? As you mentioned in your video the San Martin case is very sharp on the end of lugs but you don't feel it when wearing. Thank you! Fred
Wow, that's incredible man! I feel honored to be one of those channels for you!!! Didn't think I was one of those channels for anyone to be honest 😂 My totally honest opinion on this would be no, its not worth it. Not if you look at what you pay for and the raw specs. Then no, the Davosa is not worth three times as much... But, on the other hand, I own a Rolex GMT Master 2, and I didn't buy it from an AD... I payed almost double retail from the grey market. So I'm not really the one who should give anyone advice on buying stuff based on value, since that Rolex is by no means worth what I payed for it, and yet I still did... I buy with my heart and not always with my brain. The Davosa is a better watch. Better finished, better movement, but not three times better. Not even two times better. And the value retention when you sell the SM if you buy it new vs the value retention with the Davosa if you buy that new is ridiculous. The SM holds its value so much more 👍 I actually did a comparison video where I featured my Davosa. Sadly the SM is not included in that video but a lot of other watches are 😊 I'm really thankful for having you as a subscriber 😊
How does it compare quality wise to the Steinhart? Is the Steini superior in any aspect? Also, did you get a chance to check out a Tisell? I really like the Submerisble, because it is a vintage rolex homage 😉
The Tisells are known to have a lot of quality control defects. You should be very lucky to recieve one without defects (crown falls, lume pit missing, etc.). Watch the reviews and see for yourself.
San Martin Steeldive Pagani and Parnis are the only Chinese watches worth getting! I love my San Martin with the PT-5000 movement inside. It keeps +1.5 daily! Cheers mate...
The PD sub just ticks all the boxes for so much less. Sapphire glass, proper cyclops not small like this SM. Screws in the bracelet, milled clasp, ceramic bezel and the same NH35 movement. The PD also has 100m water resistance and mine has decent lume too. Paying double for the SM with small cyclops, pins in the bracelet, same movement just feels a little too much. Each to their own. Nice review.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I really appreciate it 👍 I’ve owned both and I can honestly tell you that the SM is clearly better. Maybe not twice as good but still better. Did you watch the whole video? I don’t know why you think that the SM has pins in the bracelet? It’s screws, just like the Pagani.
great watch, but is it comfy at that weight all day? the pagani has thinner links and is lighter, I think would be slightly comfier but I could be wrong
Actually, it’s basically the standard weight for these types of watches, give or take. I have never experienced any uncomfortability because of the weight in any of these homage watches. Now, when we’re talking about a watch like the Breitling Super Avenger... Now that’s a big and quite uncomfortable watch 😂 Thank you for watching and commenting 🙏
I like that Logo on the one you have ,but the other one is what buyer's are likely to get and l can live with that. Classy watch but I like the Pagani Design size at 43mm , it pops out at you more in 43mm.
I own a Christopher Ward and a Davosa Ternos 500m , I've only had the Davosa for 2 years, but I've had the Christopher Ward for almost 10 years and I have never had issues with either watch. I just can't see spending this kind of money on a Chinese watch that I assume won't last as long as a more expensive Davosa or a CW..
@@DutchBulldog which may be fine in your country but it isn’t financially viable to have the movement serviced or replaced in every country. Here it is either as cheap or cheaper just to buy a new watch. It’s getting more and more difficult to find a decent watch repairer that works for a reasonable price. Some places here now charge the equivalent of around 300 usd to service or work on a watch as they can’t repair them themselves and send them away. The problem is many watchmakers are older and don’t use the internet to advertise or are retiring and not being replaced.
Nice review, I wonder if they listened to you for version 3? I see they left a comment. Hopefully they fixed the sharp edges, I have a Parnis and it has the sharp edges as well.
Better than some watch channel who claims to have hung around with an international rock star. (After the rock star is deceased, not able to debunk the claim). Where is Wiki Watch Leaks, when it's needed?
@@syndicatedsatellite7288 Yeah, I saw that video. I like his channel but that’s actually one video that I didn’t care about watching. Thank you for the comment 🙏
do you think that the san martin is the best submariner homage? considering that phoibos discontiued the py007 and the nex level (steinhart, Davosa) will cost a lot more . And what you think comparing the San martin with the Poibos Voyager, both are in the price range
As I usually say in my videos, I’m not an expert in any way and my opinion is by no means better or more legit than anyone else’s. With that said, and since you asked, the question has two answers in my humble opinion. No, it’s not the best submariner homage. That would be the Davosa, followed by Steinhart. It depends on what you as a collector value in a watch. For some dumb reason I value a Swiss made watch more than a Chinese made, and the Davosa and Steinhart are simply better finished and with some more identity of their own. But this answer only goes if you don’t consider the price. If we’re taking price into the mix, then yes, San Martin is the best submariner homage in it’s price class and there’s no competition until you get to $500. But you also have to consider that I haven’t tried out every homage watch out there 😊
I think the problem with the SM is the connection with the AE. But SM is not just another Aliexpress company they are microbrand ( they do everything to be considered as such) that uses the site as a way of distribution. The watch is great. Not only as good as the price would suggest but also among more expensive micros they have some quality to compete. Of course the coolness and comfort of this piece, apart from the good quality and the proven movement, comes with the borrowed/coppied/stolen design but that's also the reason most of us go for it. The cons are as you said. But I do like the magnification window. For me (as it is in my watch) the size and alligement are great. I think it's made to be readable with the certain angle of you wrist. That's a fun every day beater with a look and robustness. If anyone is being afraid of the chinessness ( I made the word up ;p ) of the SM don't be. Got yourself this piece and you won't be dissapoited.
That is a good observation 👍 I have never thought of the connection with AE as something negative but some people might. It is a great watch with a hard to beat value 👍
@@backintimewatches Yeah man. The other i like is Bruce Williams. Both have a good mixture of being non pretentious & valuable info without boring us to death. Keep up the good work.
Looks pretty nice, except for the cyclops which ruins the whole watch in my opinion. Great value, but personally i would never wear a homage watch... + love your tudor gmt!
Jošt Mlinarič Thanks for watching and commenting 🙏 About homages, to each his own is my motto. But, you know that my Tudor GMT also is a homage right? Not as blatant one as the San Martin but still 🤪
Thanks man, I love Miami. Been there for two weeks and even took a Caribbean cruise from there 😊 I’m really not the guy to ask about which watch to buy and flip. It all depends on what kind of a deal you get and how hot the watch is. But thanks for watching and commenting 🙏
@@backintimewatches I don’t think the warranty card is worth a damn anyway. Out of the 2 sun martins I have bought both have been faulty. Both watches had problems winding in that the rotor was spinning when you turned the crown. A known problem with the eta 2824 that the sw200 in one is based on. The other had the pt5000 which is similar. The first was from wrwatches and they accepted the watch back and repaired it (at quite a cost to me as I had to pay shipping and taxes on import again). The second I bought from San Martin on Ali and they wanted a video of the problem so I had to open the case to show this. They replied that this is normal so won’t accept it back for repair. It wasn’t as if the rotor was just turning a little before the mechanism allowed it to slip. It was spinning madly every time you turned the crown and holding the watch at different angles didn’t help at all. A sure sign of poor assembly and QC? Bad they won’t take it back and no local watch maker will do the minor lubrication required without doing a full service which costs around £100 to £200.
02:13 San Martin....😂You sound like a bloke from Essex putting on a French accent! Hell of a watch for 200 bucks. Apart from.the sharp sides the case hugged the wrist and bracelet looked great. As you said: Neck and neck with Phoibos, but maybe the latter just ahead.
Currently I live in Essex, but I'm a Londoner who speaks Spanish and understands basic French ,so I think I'm uniquely qualified to give a reply(!). The name is close, but no cigar to someone who doesn't know how to spell a saint's name correctly in any Latin language. It's closest to the name in Spanish ( San Martín), with the 'i' pronounced like 'ee' in English. In French it would be Saint Martín. TBH, I would pronounce it with an English pronountiation with 'Martin' sounding like one of my mates & would say everyone else should do too, to avoid sounding silly.(the way it's said at 1:28). Cheers.
@@backintimewatches Yeah that's kinda my thinking ! Im just worried a San Martin will fall apart in months but from checking out reviews they look pretty solid ..
@@boston961 how would it fall apart? It's a hunk of steel with a very reliable and cheap to replace movement in the nh35. Not much could go wrong it. The machining and quality they produce is very assuring once in hand. Give it a try, I'm sure you'll be surprised that it's actually much higher quality in feel than anything you've felt in that price range.
Mr.K Thanks for watching 🙏 Too bad I’m not rich, I would love to buy all the watches I wanted to and review them but I can’t. For now it will have to do with my own watches and the ones that people choose to send me 😊
The BB Pepsi GMT works well with your ink. Want a good under 300.00$ submariner homage? Tisell Marine Diver with Miyota 9015 hi beat and glide lock adjustable clasp. Korean watch maker. Good review, thanks.
Jan Giovanni By better do you mean more alike to the Rolex? In that case, you are right 😊 But it’s actually not better than the Steinhart. But still a great bang for the buck 👍 Thanks for watching and commenting 🙏
Just judging from videos and pics, this San Martin makes the Ginault look rather overpriced - ignoring the superior, high-beat movement inside the Ginault. The San Martin's build quality, finish and materials look pretty great for a watch of this price.
Oh yes, the Ginault is overpriced. And compared to this watch, so are Steinhart and Davosa. But some might consider San Martin to be overpriced compared to Pagani, Parnis, Loreo etc. I’ve come to the realization that it’s not all about value and sometimes the heart makes some stupid choices 😊 Thank you for watching and commenting 🙏
Girpon3 You’re actually right. I scrolled through their page now and yes, there are some original pieces 👍 But the main part are homages and that’s what you see when you enter their website and scroll through the first 10 watches 😊 Thanks for watching and giving me that info 🙏
I don't know why, if you appreciate original designs as a value of your favorite brands, you name Parnis in the last place. That makes me think that you only want "homages" (euphemism for fakes lately) instead of the multiple Parnis models with original designs that may have some resemblance to a particular model characteristics, but in essence are original. Few Parnis models are this kind of "homages" and I have seen them only lately, due to the great success of this Pagani shit that is no other thing that a product of the fake watches industry flourishing in china. Take a look at Parnis models like Master 03 and PA2122 and many others. With Miyota and Seagull movements, beautiful dials and very good detailing, the only weakness of Parnis watches is their bracelet. But nothing you can't solve with few euros. I think I will never buy this kind of homage fakes. Pagani, San Martín or Parnis. For me, that's crap.
I’m glad you shared your opinion and I’ll check out the Parnis models you mentioned. As you can see on my channel, I have both the original design pieces (like the Rolex GMT Master 2, Tudor Black Bay GMT etc) and also homage watches. I like both and I see how they complete each other since I wear them on different occasions and for different purposes. As an example, I would never wear my Rolex GMT at work. I work at a preschool and play with kids all day long. Football, basketball, hockey, wrestle sometimes, do dishes, serve food etc. Not a environment that I would feel comfortable wearing my Rolex in since I’m not rich and I invested a whole lot of money in that watch. That’s where watches like Steinhart or San Martin come in. I get the same look but I don’t have to pamper the watch 👍 Thanks for watching and commenting 🙏
I'd buy a San Martin if it weren't for that God-awful Logo they insist on sticking on the dial now. The dial Branding on the watch shown is ideal. I wonder if you can specify..Doubt it.
I agree and I actually talk about the logo in the video, guess you didn’t watch the whole thing😊 I also mention that this is the Version 2. And at 3:13 I actually specify the actual ref-number 👍
They have, yes. But they are mostly a homage-company since the dominant portion of what they are offering are homage watches. Not like Phoibos where they literally have zero homages in their collection right now. Thanks for watching 🙏
@@backintimewatches True although they started with homage and still have a sub homage. Let's see if San martin start making more of their own designs as they have now started to make a name for themselves.
@@backintimewatches And yet ... I get to offer it anyway. That's how it works when you put yourself and those ghetto tats out there for the whole world to see.
@@kombo731 Hahaha, stop it man 😂 You’re embarrassing yourself... You sound like my grandma with your outdated view on tattoos. Really, I honestly didn’t think people like you existed in today’s society 🤷♂️ Or at least that you would be too old for UA-cam. Anyway, thanks for watching. Since I don’t live in any ghetto, never have had any criminal record and probably spent more money on my tattoos than you have on watches, maybe you’ve learned something today and widened your view on the world and how it works. With your comment I know that you probably love to catalogue people based on their looks, but maybe now you know better 👍 Or maybe not, and you just continue with your Amish look on life. Either way, I couldn’t care less 😂
@@kombo731 Embarrassement? Embarrassing for who? I’m not embarrassed at all and I guess my subscribers aren’t as well 👍 Go on with your life now Charles, and stop posting your stone-aged views on my channel 😍
Thanks for the video. I just received my version 3. What an incredible watch for the money. The proportions are perfect. Just feels and looks like quality.
I’ve had Steinharts and sold them. They’re either too big or small. Steinhart pricing is good but after seeing the San Martin Steinhart looks expensive. Movement in Steinhart watches are better but this watch is keeping good time.
Yes, it truly is incredible for the money. I’m actually surprised that they can make high quality watches this cheap. I guess anything is possible in China, if the work labor and manufacturing process is cheap enough 🤷♂️
Thanks for watching and I’m glad that you like your new watch 👍
The movements are the same if you buy san martin with sw200-1. Had 2 Steinhart and sold the both cause San Martin is simply better made watch tham Steinhart. However sn017 is off... I do not like the looks at all... glass i to far from the dial amd there is more details I do not like. Sn019g is spot on
Great video format, quality ,etc. You are above and beyond many channels in the watch community , keep up the good work , thanks for the review.
My friend, that comment really warms my heart. I´m just happy that someone even has the time to watch my content :) Thank you so much for watching and commenting.
I see San Martín getting the respect it diserves in a lot of channels. I think the brand is doing a fantastic job, the watches are amazing in every way, some details may be kinda weird, like the branding using the shark and other logos in the same piece, I wish they used the same unique logo on each watch, no issues about changing them among different models tho. Anyway, thanks for your honest review, stay safe, greetings from Colombia
That’s an interesting watch - thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree with you here. It’s a really nice watch for the price you’re paying. But I feel like it misses some identity. I wish San Martin would reconsider their branding and maybe extend to producing their own designs.
You are absolutely right, they do miss some identity and that’s why I actually prefer Phoibos. Thank you for watching 🙏
I think for 200 bucks, this watch worth every penny of its price, great job, thanks for reviewing!
Rick Hunter It really is 👍 Thanks for watching and commenting, it really means a lot 🙏
The san Martin is in fact manufactured at the same Cineaste factory that manufactures cases and bracelets for many swiss watches, such as Glycine and Steinhart.
That’s great info. Thank you, both for watching and commenting 🙏
Where did you find this information?
@@DutchBulldog From Gary of "I Like Watches". He is in daily contact with one of this factory's managers/producers, a man called Maxi. One of the channel's subscribers designed a watched, and with the financial aid of us, 100 happy subscribers, this factory manufactures the watch. It already in production.
@@trogpo interesting stuff! I follow Gary’s channel for 8-9 months now. Happy to see that after the UA-cam ban he got things up and running again. I’m really looking forward to see his review of the new Cronos Submariner.
Dear friend,
First of all, we need to clarify some unrealistic remarks,
We don't have the so-called "same factory" incident as you said,We are constantly upgrading the quality of our products,
More and more factories are cooperating with us,
We have eliminated many accessory manufacturers that no longer meet our quality requirements.
At present, the quality of these brands that rely on "Swiss factories" to promote watches still lags far behind ours.
The so-called factory managers just want to borrow our "San Martin" quality as their brand promotion tools.
We have never publicized our cooperation with Swiss factories,Quality and customer reputation are always more real than relying on others' fame.
We have communicated this with Gary a long time ago,
He also realized that these remarks brought us some troubles,
So it deleted the video about these remarks.
We no longer want to be used as tools by others,
Please stop these untrue remarks.
Thank you for your understanding and support!
My watch arrived and first I was very happy. It looks very good. After wearing it for some hours I noticed pain on my skin. The edges of the watch case and the bracelet are very sharp. I have a lot of watches and I never had such a bad feeling. I shall sell the watch at once. Also the warrenty card was not dated.
Nice review!
Though I feel like the reasoning for putting Phoibos on top is pretty arbitrary, considering at the end of the day, you're comparing two homage watches so that fact that Phoibos makes original watches as well is a bit irrelevant.
I get your reasoning and if I was talking about which watch was the best then you’re right, what other watches a company produce should have nothing to do with it.
But, when it comes to which brand I like the most, it’s a different story. Then things like original designs etc come into play. Then stuff like that matters. If you’re only copying stuff or actually trying to do something original. And that’s when a company like Phoibos wins my respect and one like SM just makes a good homage.
And when choosing between two good watches, the way you feel about the brand overall might tip the scale in its favour 🤷♂️
Thanks for watching 🙏
Thanks for your response. I appreciate the detailed down to earth honest opinion.
Thanks for the video. I got my eye on the San Martin SN019G, but pricing seems to go up every time I look, over $350 now, which is a bit steep for an AliExpress homage.
And thank YOU for watching 😊
There are a few channels I make sure not to miss and yours is one. Please give me your opinion. I have the San Martin SN017 in black and can't stop looking at it. For $200 this is an incredible watch and with sapphire and ceramic it pops. I feel like for the money it gives me close enough sensation to wearing a Rolex. The movement is ok, not great but acceptable. I'm trying to decide on a blue version; the Davosa Ternos 1615540 or the San Martin. Davosa is $600 more. Is it worth it? Are the lines softer? As you mentioned in your video the San Martin case is very sharp on the end of lugs but you don't feel it when wearing. Thank you! Fred
Wow, that's incredible man! I feel honored to be one of those channels for you!!! Didn't think I was one of those channels for anyone to be honest 😂
My totally honest opinion on this would be no, its not worth it. Not if you look at what you pay for and the raw specs. Then no, the Davosa is not worth three times as much...
But, on the other hand, I own a Rolex GMT Master 2, and I didn't buy it from an AD... I payed almost double retail from the grey market. So I'm not really the one who should give anyone advice on buying stuff based on value, since that Rolex is by no means worth what I payed for it, and yet I still did... I buy with my heart and not always with my brain.
The Davosa is a better watch. Better finished, better movement, but not three times better. Not even two times better. And the value retention when you sell the SM if you buy it new vs the value retention with the Davosa if you buy that new is ridiculous. The SM holds its value so much more 👍
I actually did a comparison video where I featured my Davosa. Sadly the SM is not included in that video but a lot of other watches are 😊
I'm really thankful for having you as a subscriber 😊
Good review, love this watch on my list, what do you think of the Addiesdive AD21O6
How does it compare quality wise to the Steinhart? Is the Steini superior in any aspect? Also, did you get a chance to check out a Tisell? I really like the Submerisble, because it is a vintage rolex homage 😉
The Tisells are known to have a lot of quality control defects. You should be very lucky to recieve one without defects (crown falls, lume pit missing, etc.). Watch the reviews and see for yourself.
San Martin Steeldive Pagani and Parnis are the only Chinese watches worth getting! I love my San Martin with the PT-5000 movement inside. It keeps +1.5 daily! Cheers mate...
Sounds great 👍 And Seagull must be added to that list 😊 Thanks for watching.
@@backintimewatches My latest Flieger has a Seagull ST-36 and it's so accurate I love it...
The PD sub just ticks all the boxes for so much less. Sapphire glass, proper cyclops not small like this SM. Screws in the bracelet, milled clasp, ceramic bezel and the same NH35 movement. The PD also has 100m water resistance and mine has decent lume too. Paying double for the SM with small cyclops, pins in the bracelet, same movement just feels a little too much. Each to their own. Nice review.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I really appreciate it 👍
I’ve owned both and I can honestly tell you that the SM is clearly better. Maybe not twice as good but still better.
Did you watch the whole video? I don’t know why you think that the SM has pins in the bracelet? It’s screws, just like the Pagani.
@@backintimewatches Apologies, I thought it was pins 👍
great watch, but is it comfy at that weight all day? the pagani has thinner links and is lighter, I think would be slightly comfier but I could be wrong
Actually, it’s basically the standard weight for these types of watches, give or take. I have never experienced any uncomfortability because of the weight in any of these homage watches. Now, when we’re talking about a watch like the Breitling Super Avenger... Now that’s a big and quite uncomfortable watch 😂 Thank you for watching and commenting 🙏
I like that Logo on the one you have ,but the other one is what buyer's are likely to get and l can live with that. Classy watch but I like the Pagani Design size at 43mm ,
it pops out at you more in 43mm.
Pagani Design has screw in links on the band and all solid links as well.
Well, if you like bigger size of the Pagani then that’s your watch 👍 Thanks for watching 🙏
I own a Christopher Ward and a Davosa Ternos 500m , I've only had the Davosa for 2 years, but I've had the Christopher Ward for almost 10 years and I have never had issues with either watch. I just can't see spending this kind of money on a Chinese watch that I assume won't last as long as a more expensive Davosa or a CW..
Who cares? This thing has a Seiko NH35, every watchmaker (even the rookies) can service or fix that thing. No need to worry mate.
@@DutchBulldog which may be fine in your country but it isn’t financially viable to have the movement serviced or replaced in every country. Here it is either as cheap or cheaper just to buy a new watch.
It’s getting more and more difficult to find a decent watch repairer that works for a reasonable price. Some places here now charge the equivalent of around 300 usd to service or work on a watch as they can’t repair them themselves and send them away. The problem is many watchmakers are older and don’t use the internet to advertise or are retiring and not being replaced.
Nice review, I wonder if they listened to you for version 3? I see they left a comment. Hopefully they fixed the sharp edges, I have a Parnis and it has the sharp edges as well.
Interesting review. Regards.
Thank you 🙏
Better than some watch channel who claims to have hung around with an international rock star. (After the rock star is deceased, not able to debunk the claim).
Where is Wiki Watch Leaks, when it's needed?
@@syndicatedsatellite7288 Yeah, I saw that video. I like his channel but that’s actually one video that I didn’t care about watching. Thank you for the comment 🙏
do you think that the san martin is the best submariner homage? considering that phoibos discontiued the py007 and the nex level (steinhart, Davosa) will cost a lot more . And what you think comparing the San martin with the Poibos Voyager, both are in the price range
As I usually say in my videos, I’m not an expert in any way and my opinion is by no means better or more legit than anyone else’s. With that said, and since you asked, the question has two answers in my humble opinion.
No, it’s not the best submariner homage. That would be the Davosa, followed by Steinhart. It depends on what you as a collector value in a watch. For some dumb reason I value a Swiss made watch more than a Chinese made, and the Davosa and Steinhart are simply better finished and with some more identity of their own. But this answer only goes if you don’t consider the price.
If we’re taking price into the mix, then yes, San Martin is the best submariner homage in it’s price class and there’s no competition until you get to $500.
But you also have to consider that I haven’t tried out every homage watch out there 😊
I've got a Voyager love it but my San Martin is just that better finished...
I think the problem with the SM is the connection with the AE. But SM is not just another Aliexpress company they are microbrand ( they do everything to be considered as such) that uses the site as a way of distribution. The watch is great. Not only as good as the price would suggest but also among more expensive micros they have some quality to compete. Of course the coolness and comfort of this piece, apart from the good quality and the proven movement, comes with the borrowed/coppied/stolen design but that's also the reason most of us go for it. The cons are as you said. But I do like the magnification window. For me (as it is in my watch) the size and alligement are great. I think it's made to be readable with the certain angle of you wrist. That's a fun every day beater with a look and robustness. If anyone is being afraid of the chinessness ( I made the word up ;p ) of the SM don't be. Got yourself this piece and you won't be dissapoited.
That is a good observation 👍 I have never thought of the connection with AE as something negative but some people might. It is a great watch with a hard to beat value 👍
The best watch reviews on you tube. For me anyway.
Wow man, really? That’s... I really don’t know what to say. I’m thankful for the comment and glad you liked the video 🙏 This made my day 😊
@@backintimewatches Yeah man. The other i like is Bruce Williams. Both have a good mixture of being non pretentious & valuable info without boring us to death. Keep up the good work.
You should definitely review the San Martin Datejust watch.
I will if I get my hands on one 😊 Thank you for watching and commenting, it really means a lot 🙏
Looks pretty nice, except for the cyclops which ruins the whole watch in my opinion. Great value, but personally i would never wear a homage watch... + love your tudor gmt!
Jošt Mlinarič Thanks for watching and commenting 🙏 About homages, to each his own is my motto. But, you know that my Tudor GMT also is a homage right? Not as blatant one as the San Martin but still 🤪
@@backintimewatches yeah, good point :) i meant to say 1:1 copies is something i would not wear.
Supporting your channel from Miami? What’s a good watch to flip with a budget of $500-$1,500?
I would personally go for a Oris, Breitling or a Seamaster 300 (this is maybe just on the verge of your 1500 budget, could go abit higher)
Oris
Thanks man, I love Miami. Been there for two weeks and even took a Caribbean cruise from there 😊 I’m really not the guy to ask about which watch to buy and flip. It all depends on what kind of a deal you get and how hot the watch is. But thanks for watching and commenting 🙏
Breitling Colt or a Sinn 556!
Your unit is the first I've seen to come without a dated warranty card.
Really? Well, it’s a borrowed watch so it’s actually not my unit. If it was I would make a thing about the warranty card... Thanks for wwatching 🙏
@@backintimewatches I don’t think the warranty card is worth a damn anyway. Out of the 2 sun martins I have bought both have been faulty. Both watches had problems winding in that the rotor was spinning when you turned the crown. A known problem with the eta 2824 that the sw200 in one is based on. The other had the pt5000 which is similar.
The first was from wrwatches and they accepted the watch back and repaired it (at quite a cost to me as I had to pay shipping and taxes on import again).
The second I bought from San Martin on Ali and they wanted a video of the problem so I had to open the case to show this. They replied that this is normal so won’t accept it back for repair.
It wasn’t as if the rotor was just turning a little before the mechanism allowed it to slip. It was spinning madly every time you turned the crown and holding the watch at different angles didn’t help at all.
A sure sign of poor assembly and QC? Bad they won’t take it back and no local watch maker will do the minor lubrication required without doing a full service which costs around £100 to £200.
I have the V1 and i fucking love it
02:13 San Martin....😂You sound like a bloke from Essex putting on a French accent! Hell of a watch for 200 bucks. Apart from.the sharp sides the case hugged the wrist and bracelet looked great. As you said: Neck and neck with Phoibos, but maybe the latter just ahead.
Haha, I have no idea how someone from Essex’s sound but I was aiming for Steve Martin’s Pink Panther dialect 😂 Thanks for watching once again 🙏
@@backintimewatches Haha, good film! Watch the comedy "Gavin & Stacey" on the tube. The young blokes are from Essex. A bit like a Cockney accent!
Currently I live in Essex, but I'm a Londoner who speaks Spanish and understands basic French ,so I think I'm uniquely qualified to give a reply(!).
The name is close, but no cigar to someone who doesn't know how to spell a saint's name correctly in any Latin language.
It's closest to the name in Spanish ( San Martín), with the 'i' pronounced like 'ee' in English. In French it would be Saint Martín.
TBH, I would pronounce it with an English pronountiation with 'Martin' sounding like one of my mates & would say everyone else should do too, to avoid sounding silly.(the way it's said at 1:28). Cheers.
I agree with you on the cyclops. Perhaps think about removing it.
Yeah, maybe I would have done that if the watch was mine. Thank you for watching and commenting 🙏
Man I'm really confused wher to look between the watch and tattoos 😅
Look at it all 😂
@@backintimewatches Lol already did, thank you for the video
How does this compare to the steinhart ? Great review as always
Thanks 😊 Glad you liked it. Steinhart is a great brand but I don’t know if they’re worth twice as much as the San Martin 🤷♂️
@@backintimewatches Yeah that's kinda my thinking ! Im just worried a San Martin will fall apart in months but from checking out reviews they look pretty solid ..
@@boston961 how would it fall apart? It's a hunk of steel with a very reliable and cheap to replace movement in the nh35. Not much could go wrong it. The machining and quality they produce is very assuring once in hand. Give it a try, I'm sure you'll be surprised that it's actually much higher quality in feel than anything you've felt in that price range.
BiT, try the 62mas homage. I think it's gorgeous. You should try something different.
Mr.K Thanks for watching 🙏 Too bad I’m not rich, I would love to buy all the watches I wanted to and review them but I can’t. For now it will have to do with my own watches and the ones that people choose to send me 😊
Good work, nice review ! Thanks
Thanks 🙏
San is Spanish, St or female Ste is french, the two male version are pronounced the same so you are spot on either way.
Best lume: San Martin, Steinhart, Gineault, or Davosa?
or Kompass Grand Diver?
I would have to say Steinhart 👍
The BB Pepsi GMT works well with your ink. Want a good under 300.00$ submariner homage? Tisell Marine Diver with Miyota 9015 hi beat and glide lock adjustable clasp. Korean watch maker. Good review, thanks.
Thank you 😊 I’ll make sure to check out the Tisell 👍
Cool
It really is :)
Looks better than the Steinhart.
Jan Giovanni By better do you mean more alike to the Rolex? In that case, you are right 😊
But it’s actually not better than the Steinhart. But still a great bang for the buck 👍 Thanks for watching and commenting 🙏
I ordered my v3 with a custom cursive San Martin logo. Looks better than this or the new hex logo. Extra $30 but worth it.
Just judging from videos and pics, this San Martin makes the Ginault look rather overpriced - ignoring the superior, high-beat movement inside the Ginault. The San Martin's build quality, finish and materials look pretty great for a watch of this price.
Oh yes, the Ginault is overpriced. And compared to this watch, so are Steinhart and Davosa. But some might consider San Martin to be overpriced compared to Pagani, Parnis, Loreo etc. I’ve come to the realization that it’s not all about value and sometimes the heart makes some stupid choices 😊 Thank you for watching and commenting 🙏
Is it better than steinhart
Great review
Thank you 🙏 Doing my best.
San martin vs ginault ? My favorite ginault
About San Martin and only homages, that is not true. Look around and you will find alot of unique watches.
Girpon3 You’re actually right. I scrolled through their page now and yes, there are some original pieces 👍 But the main part are homages and that’s what you see when you enter their website and scroll through the first 10 watches 😊 Thanks for watching and giving me that info 🙏
I don't know why, if you appreciate original designs as a value of your favorite brands, you name Parnis in the last place. That makes me think that you only want "homages" (euphemism for fakes lately) instead of the multiple Parnis models with original designs that may have some resemblance to a particular model characteristics, but in essence are original. Few Parnis models are this kind of "homages" and I have seen them only lately, due to the great success of this Pagani shit that is no other thing that a product of the fake watches industry flourishing in china. Take a look at Parnis models like Master 03 and PA2122 and many others. With Miyota and Seagull movements, beautiful dials and very good detailing, the only weakness of Parnis watches is their bracelet. But nothing you can't solve with few euros.
I think I will never buy this kind of homage fakes. Pagani, San Martín or Parnis. For me, that's crap.
I’m glad you shared your opinion and I’ll check out the Parnis models you mentioned. As you can see on my channel, I have both the original design pieces (like the Rolex GMT Master 2, Tudor Black Bay GMT etc) and also homage watches. I like both and I see how they complete each other since I wear them on different occasions and for different purposes. As an example, I would never wear my Rolex GMT at work. I work at a preschool and play with kids all day long. Football, basketball, hockey, wrestle sometimes, do dishes, serve food etc. Not a environment that I would feel comfortable wearing my Rolex in since I’m not rich and I invested a whole lot of money in that watch. That’s where watches like Steinhart or San Martin come in. I get the same look but I don’t have to pamper the watch 👍
Thanks for watching and commenting 🙏
I'd buy a San Martin if it weren't for that God-awful Logo they insist on sticking on the dial now. The dial Branding on the watch shown is ideal. I wonder if you can specify..Doubt it.
I agree and I actually talk about the logo in the video, guess you didn’t watch the whole thing😊 I also mention that this is the Version 2. And at 3:13 I actually specify the actual ref-number 👍
San Martín have their own original designs so you need to be better informed.
They have, yes. But they are mostly a homage-company since the dominant portion of what they are offering are homage watches. Not like Phoibos where they literally have zero homages in their collection right now.
Thanks for watching 🙏
@@backintimewatches True although they started with homage and still have a sub homage. Let's see if San martin start making more of their own designs as they have now started to make a name for themselves.
@@danielthompson803 Nope, they actually discontinued that one so they have zero homages in their collection at this moment 😊
Look like a Rolex... but its not.
I had a steinhart.. it just feels fake.
It's not for me to judge your choices, but that nice looking watch appears to me to be wasted on such an ghetto arm.
🥱 It’s not for me to judge your choices, but on some rare occasions, your opinion is actually not needed 🤷♂️
Or wait... Grandma, is that you?
@@backintimewatches And yet ... I get to offer it anyway. That's how it works when you put yourself and those ghetto tats out there for the whole world to see.
@@kombo731 Hahaha, stop it man 😂 You’re embarrassing yourself... You sound like my grandma with your outdated view on tattoos. Really, I honestly didn’t think people like you existed in today’s society 🤷♂️ Or at least that you would be too old for UA-cam.
Anyway, thanks for watching. Since I don’t live in any ghetto, never have had any criminal record and probably spent more money on my tattoos than you have on watches, maybe you’ve learned something today and widened your view on the world and how it works.
With your comment I know that you probably love to catalogue people based on their looks, but maybe now you know better 👍 Or maybe not, and you just continue with your Amish look on life. Either way, I couldn’t care less 😂
@@backintimewatches The embarrassment started when you decided to get all sleeved up with ridiculous tats, then do watch videos. Loser.
@@kombo731 Embarrassement? Embarrassing for who? I’m not embarrassed at all and I guess my subscribers aren’t as well 👍
Go on with your life now Charles, and stop posting your stone-aged views on my channel 😍
remove the cyclops