So, there is mention to the differing stories of how Odin lost his eye. For those who may not know: In this game, Odin claims that he lost his eye after sticking his face into the Tear of Knowledge outright. In the previous game, Mimir tells the story of how he became Odin's advisor, which involved his sticking a large amount of Shrooms into a well as a "job application." One sip of the spiked water lead Odin to space out so hard that he proceeded to gouge his eyes out. Fortunately, Mimir stopped him halfway through the task, made up some story of "losing a bit of sight to gain a higher level of vision," blahdedy-blah, blah, he gets the job
Its funny cause something about this line could easily be that they forgot they wrote that in the first game and had to cover the fact they botched it. Sort of like how in Chains of Olympus Kratos' mother tells him his father is Zeus in a whisper and Kratos is shocked only to then do the revelation again at the end of God of War 2 with Athena despite Kratos would already know Zeus is his father since the events of Chains happens before GOW2. Cory Balrog even admitted to the inconsistency and said he didn't care, so take of that what ya will.
@@ToonGrin I thought about that too, but I couldve sworn his mother never actually said it was Zeus, but it was a god that was his father. In other words, zeus made it so even if she mentioned his father being a god, not which one specifically, that the curse put on her would prevent the true identity being revealed. Maybe I'm wrong but that's the only way I could justify it.
@@ToonGrin *ghost of Sparta. Tbh I always went with the idea that he didn't understand what she said. He was probably expecting a mortal to be his father not Zeus so he didn't actually hear Zeus himself. Most players would know by that point so they would know who she said. It is still kinda dumb but minor I liked the game either way.
When you said smokey i was honestly thinking about jojo After a few seconds, it made a bit more sense about what you were actually talking about........ SMOOKEEYYY
It honestly makes sense that Odin would lie about how he lost his eye. He tells Atreus that looking into the reality crack cost him his eye, which is contrary to Mimir's story. So, why lie? Well, Odin wants to look into that crack for answers more than anything. But, he also knows Atreus wants answers too. Odin tries to guide Atreus towards the same goal so Atreus will look for the protective mask pieces for when he wants to use it. By conflating their personal objectives and seemingly upping the stakes, he's likely to get more commitment and better utilization out of Atreus.
@@jamesgeyer8555 When Kratos opened Pandora's Box back in GoW 2005 he got the power of Hope in order to kill Ares while the evils of the box affected the other gods on Olympus. Athena specifically was affected by Greed, she probably wanted Zeus's power and the throne of Olympus for herself while under the influence of the Greed.
I think that after the deaths of the Greek gods the evils from Pandora's Box might have affected the Norse gods, since Odin clearly exhibts the same greed Athena had while she was possessed by the evil of Greed from the Box. Kratos killed himself at the end of GoW so that he'd give Hope to mankind if you remember.
@@Bardim18 that is not possible though since like Odin said, he became “greedy” ever since the voice speak to him when he was young. If you read the comic of the prequel to the gow 2018, the time periods in between gow3 and 2018 was at most 100 years give or take, while Odin has been like this since he killed ymir, which is near the beginning of creation
Just putting the thought out there: The language on the mask was, at least in part, greek. Which makes it likely that the whatever this was is also connected to the greek pantheon. Now i maybe wrong but who do we know from greece that isnt dead and also loves manipulating people? Thats right its Athena.
Do you remember when David Jaffe had plans for Kratos to become one of the Three Wisemen? He said there were plans where Kratos alongside other gods of war to destroy other pantheons which will in turn give rise to Christianity. And I wonder if the gods who reached the Higher Plains of Existence were turned into something like archangels that serve God. I wanna believe the God of War story is still far from over if they're still going through with that plan. Cuz I had this idea where Atreus also reached the Higher Plains of Existence and adopts the name Lucifer or Satan and rebelled against God since a lot of scholars believe that Satan was inspired by Loki.
@The Erricane it's interesting how the wise men are brought up. because if you've played GoW 2, in the temple of the sisters of fate there is a mural of various prophecies, one depicting the defeat of the titans in the Great War, and another depicting 3 wise men finding the star of David leading them to Baby Jesus.
Didn't mention the green rift thingy in his basement and how the Mask seems to make it bigger... I think is a path to the Void between realities, the Void that separates Greece/Olympus and The Nine Realms/Iggdrassil, for example... The Void where "The Primordials" come from.
the mask was leading towards garn, the wolf that can chew reality and make portals through space, even when he didn't have a fragment of it remember that? they went to garn, didn't find a fragment, and the fragment wasn't needed, they found the rest of the mask elsewhere which is to say, the mask wasn't really reacting to it's other fragments, but something else involving opening scars into reality
I see others have posted similar but I also think Athena will be behind everything in the long run. I truly thought she would have been revealed as the puppeteer mastermind at the end of Ragnarok. Also I was positive Odin would have a secret opulent golden palace or something he actually lived in and used the Lodge as a front Kinda glad I was wrong
At this point, I'm genuinely not sure how Odin lost his eye. That said, it does seem like an Odin thing to do to make a rash decision and try and peer into infinity.
Keep in mind, Mimir's story about how Odin lost his eye involves Mimir tricking Odin into downing some *heavily* potent hallucinogens. That may have fucked with Odin's perception of the event just a wee tad.
@@Blazieth its also not a great image if people think the supreme god of knowledge lost his eye because he got high. the story about losing it to a rift no one understands in the pursuit of knowledge is much better. but if mimir was messing with drugs he might be the one whos actually got things mixed up
Since Mimir saw it happen, unless he also got some of those drugs into himself, he's telling the truth...mostly. Remember we are talking about gods and magic, it could be while high Odin DID see something that gave him power for ripping out his eye, an Mimir just never knew that part.
for me, it's more about gaining something : by sharing a deep personal event with atreus, he hope to build a bond, an intimacy. Moreover, it's used as a caution tale for Atreus, showing both that Odin is trying to protect him, and a admission of Odin's own failure, so a bit humbling. It's fake of course, but it's a good manipulation trick.
Losing one's eye by gazing into a void seeking knowledge and truth is a lot less embarrassing than trying to gouge them out because of a water well filled with hallucinogenic mushrooms
I can imagine both being true. Being Gods and showing that Mimir can just pop his eye back in, I'm sure Odin just popped his back in after taking it out. He could have even looked into the rift before Mimir drugged him and plucked it out since it was useless.
Honestly, I would not be surprised if Odin bewitched Mimir's tongue on some of those stories during their...chats, let's say, considering how much of a paranoiac All-Father was.
I have a strange theory that makes odin not the bad guy cause mimir tricked odin into pulling his eye out so whatever he saw made him obsessed with the mask and the rift
Wrong universe, but it probably would’ve made him more powerful because he would’ve had answers to everything about the universe, life and everything else
I think the mask and the portal are linked to Athena, or wherever she went after her death. I hope we get some good theories about it, the game didn’t give us much to go on. If you have a theory about the mask and the realm Athena went to after her death, please give something good below.
@@darius219 my thoughts as soon as I saw the rift and mask. I assumed we would see Athena in the game, but then nothing… I hope that’s the direction they were going, I’d like to see another pantheon of gods taken out by Kratos and the realm where Athena went to come into play again. I want to see that area and him go there
I think that he could be embarassed in his real crush - the search of knowledge. That he like a toddler looked in the tear - not in a fight. More real - if he kept this secret all to himself, the idea to simple lie about the fact or change Mirmir memories is more real. Odin isn't a drunked idiot, but liked to spread strange stories and believes.
Come on mimir...that's cap... Randomly makes suggestions of a very specific mask, and then stumbled upon it wandering through the realms!?!?!?!?! Come on...that's cap....CAP!!!🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢
0:26 there is actually an alternative ending to the game if you side with odin during the final fight and put on the mask, atreus gets mind controlled by the mask and odin ends up winning everything, exactly as described by angraboda's mural
So, there is mention to the differing stories of how Odin lost his eye.
For those who may not know:
In this game, Odin claims that he lost his eye after sticking his face into the Tear of Knowledge outright.
In the previous game, Mimir tells the story of how he became Odin's advisor, which involved his sticking a large amount of Shrooms into a well as a "job application." One sip of the spiked water lead Odin to space out so hard that he proceeded to gouge his eyes out. Fortunately, Mimir stopped him halfway through the task, made up some story of "losing a bit of sight to gain a higher level of vision," blahdedy-blah, blah, he gets the job
Its funny cause something about this line could easily be that they forgot they wrote that in the first game and had to cover the fact they botched it. Sort of like how in Chains of Olympus Kratos' mother tells him his father is Zeus in a whisper and Kratos is shocked only to then do the revelation again at the end of God of War 2 with Athena despite Kratos would already know Zeus is his father since the events of Chains happens before GOW2. Cory Balrog even admitted to the inconsistency and said he didn't care, so take of that what ya will.
@@ToonGrin That could be the case. I figured that the in-universe explanation was that Odin was too embarrassed to admit to the incident
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the virgin "there is inconsistency in your game" vs chad "I dont care."
@@ToonGrin I thought about that too, but I couldve sworn his mother never actually said it was Zeus, but it was a god that was his father. In other words, zeus made it so even if she mentioned his father being a god, not which one specifically, that the curse put on her would prevent the true identity being revealed. Maybe I'm wrong but that's the only way I could justify it.
@@ToonGrin *ghost of Sparta. Tbh I always went with the idea that he didn't understand what she said. He was probably expecting a mortal to be his father not Zeus so he didn't actually hear Zeus himself. Most players would know by that point so they would know who she said. It is still kinda dumb but minor I liked the game either way.
I wish I had someone like mimir. Someone who always has a wise and enlightening answer
Or a witty, sarcastic retort.
imagine if Odin put the mask and suddenly say *"SMMOOKKEEYY!!!"*
SSSSSOMEBODY STOP ME
The mask is also called "Loki's Mask" there is no way it's just a simple coincidence.
@@JeffCJY I’m pretty sure they’re based off the same story in the mythology
Idk if u purposely changed it up but it’s not that it’s “SMMMOOOOKKKKIINNN”
When you said smokey i was honestly thinking about jojo
After a few seconds, it made a bit more sense about what you were actually talking about........
SMOOKEEYYY
It honestly makes sense that Odin would lie about how he lost his eye. He tells Atreus that looking into the reality crack cost him his eye, which is contrary to Mimir's story. So, why lie? Well, Odin wants to look into that crack for answers more than anything. But, he also knows Atreus wants answers too. Odin tries to guide Atreus towards the same goal so Atreus will look for the protective mask pieces for when he wants to use it. By conflating their personal objectives and seemingly upping the stakes, he's likely to get more commitment and better utilization out of Atreus.
I love that KRATOS trusts MIMIR enough with the wisdom to not say anything on the contrary.
I don’t think Kratos disagrees with Mimir in this case
i'm starting to think athena had a hand in odin's obsession with the mask
No it probably was Jim carrey
idk cause odin said he was a young god when he found it so athena and the whole greek pantheon could still have been around considering odin is so old
@@jamesgeyer8555 When Kratos opened Pandora's Box back in GoW 2005 he got the power of Hope in order to kill Ares while the evils of the box affected the other gods on Olympus. Athena specifically was affected by Greed, she probably wanted Zeus's power and the throne of Olympus for herself while under the influence of the Greed.
I think that after the deaths of the Greek gods the evils from Pandora's Box might have affected the Norse gods, since Odin clearly exhibts the same greed Athena had while she was possessed by the evil of Greed from the Box. Kratos killed himself at the end of GoW so that he'd give Hope to mankind if you remember.
@@Bardim18 that is not possible though since like Odin said, he became “greedy” ever since the voice speak to him when he was young. If you read the comic of the prequel to the gow 2018, the time periods in between gow3 and 2018 was at most 100 years give or take, while Odin has been like this since he killed ymir, which is near the beginning of creation
Just putting the thought out there:
The language on the mask was, at least in part, greek. Which makes it likely that the whatever this was is also connected to the greek pantheon. Now i maybe wrong but who do we know from greece that isnt dead and also loves manipulating people? Thats right its Athena.
Huh... I assumed it was a reference to the loki mask from The Mask.
@@WillofDD No reason it cant be both.
Yeah, since the language was Greek, I wonder if the tear in reality was some entrance or hole into the higher existence.
it also mas amcient hindu texts
Well it is confirmed that Greek people survived the plagues that Kratos gave them
I wonder. The voice that Odin heard to find the mask, could it have been Athena, or the other gods who reached a higher existence messing with Odin?
Or maybe a dangerous god imprisoned who wanted to be free
Do you remember when David Jaffe had plans for Kratos to become one of the Three Wisemen? He said there were plans where Kratos alongside other gods of war to destroy other pantheons which will in turn give rise to Christianity. And I wonder if the gods who reached the Higher Plains of Existence were turned into something like archangels that serve God. I wanna believe the God of War story is still far from over if they're still going through with that plan. Cuz I had this idea where Atreus also reached the Higher Plains of Existence and adopts the name Lucifer or Satan and rebelled against God since a lot of scholars believe that Satan was inspired by Loki.
@The Erricane it's interesting how the wise men are brought up. because if you've played GoW 2, in the temple of the sisters of fate there is a mural of various prophecies, one depicting the defeat of the titans in the Great War, and another depicting 3 wise men finding the star of David leading them to Baby Jesus.
Didn't mention the green rift thingy in his basement and how the Mask seems to make it bigger... I think is a path to the Void between realities, the Void that separates Greece/Olympus and The Nine Realms/Iggdrassil, for example... The Void where "The Primordials" come from.
Yeah didn't gia said that the void war aka the primordials battle is what started everything in the god of war universe?
@@maniestranger4329 yup, before the Titans came the Primordials. I risk to say Ymir could be one of them.
the mask was leading towards garn, the wolf that can chew reality and make portals through space, even when he didn't have a fragment of it
remember that? they went to garn, didn't find a fragment, and the fragment wasn't needed, they found the rest of the mask elsewhere
which is to say, the mask wasn't really reacting to it's other fragments, but something else involving opening scars into reality
"A voice spoke to him one night. Entreated him to collect the mask and control his own fate."
Athena? Is that you?
I see others have posted similar but I also think Athena will be behind everything in the long run. I truly thought she would have been revealed as the puppeteer mastermind at the end of Ragnarok.
Also I was positive Odin would have a secret opulent golden palace or something he actually lived in and used the Lodge as a front
Kinda glad I was wrong
Well, she can answer Sindri’s call if he gets that broken and desperate…
Well we are talking about Norse culture. They never really where about that kind of glamour from what little i've seen.
At this point, I'm genuinely not sure how Odin lost his eye. That said, it does seem like an Odin thing to do to make a rash decision and try and peer into infinity.
Maybe both are telling the truth.
Keep in mind, Mimir's story about how Odin lost his eye involves Mimir tricking Odin into downing some *heavily* potent hallucinogens. That may have fucked with Odin's perception of the event just a wee tad.
@@Blazieth its also not a great image if people think the supreme god of knowledge lost his eye because he got high. the story about losing it to a rift no one understands in the pursuit of knowledge is much better.
but if mimir was messing with drugs he might be the one whos actually got things mixed up
Since Mimir saw it happen, unless he also got some of those drugs into himself, he's telling the truth...mostly. Remember we are talking about gods and magic, it could be while high Odin DID see something that gave him power for ripping out his eye, an Mimir just never knew that part.
I think odin really wants to go to coco bongo and do the limbo with the mask
He puts the mask on and says “Smokiinnnn” and Jim Carrey’s the place up
This conversation after the end of the game has a totally different context
I think Mimir missed the part on why would Odin lie about how he lost his eye. My guess would be to protect the ego or identity.
for me, it's more about gaining something : by sharing a deep personal event with atreus, he hope to build a bond, an intimacy. Moreover, it's used as a caution tale for Atreus, showing both that Odin is trying to protect him, and a admission of Odin's own failure, so a bit humbling.
It's fake of course, but it's a good manipulation trick.
@@shorebreakers96 "I took a well full of drugs and scratched my own eye out"...yeah doesn't sell as well as "I gazed into the abyss."
Losing one's eye by gazing into a void seeking knowledge and truth is a lot less embarrassing than trying to gouge them out because of a water well filled with hallucinogenic mushrooms
I can imagine both being true. Being Gods and showing that Mimir can just pop his eye back in, I'm sure Odin just popped his back in after taking it out. He could have even looked into the rift before Mimir drugged him and plucked it out since it was useless.
Honestly, I would not be surprised if Odin bewitched Mimir's tongue on some of those stories during their...chats, let's say, considering how much of a paranoiac All-Father was.
0:04 DLC hint boiiiis
GoW director hates DLC so it won't happened.
it's wild that this game is alrdy 8 months old lmfao
Hi! Here in America, what Mimir said about liars hits hard.
The game explain the origin of the mask and green portal???
I have a strange theory that makes odin not the bad guy cause mimir tricked odin into pulling his eye out so whatever he saw made him obsessed with the mask and the rift
Wrong universe, but it probably would’ve made him more powerful because he would’ve had answers to everything about the universe, life and everything else
I think the mask and the portal are linked to Athena, or wherever she went after her death. I hope we get some good theories about it, the game didn’t give us much to go on.
If you have a theory about the mask and the realm Athena went to after her death, please give something good below.
Also, the glow of the mask and the color of the hole are of the same color as Athena's "spirit" in GoW 3!
@@darius219 my thoughts as soon as I saw the rift and mask. I assumed we would see Athena in the game, but then nothing… I hope that’s the direction they were going, I’d like to see another pantheon of gods taken out by Kratos and the realm where Athena went to come into play again. I want to see that area and him go there
I think that he could be embarassed in his real crush - the search of knowledge. That he like a toddler looked in the tear - not in a fight. More real - if he kept this secret all to himself, the idea to simple lie about the fact or change Mirmir memories is more real. Odin isn't a drunked idiot, but liked to spread strange stories and believes.
The mask does a lot in Jim Carrey’s hands 😅
More like Odin in this game is the true God of Mischief.
I think Odin told the truth to Atreus about how he lost his eye.
I personally think
Mimir truly is a very wise person
Also this "voice" Odin heard
What If it was Athena?
I don't really know y
But just a thought. =/
what a beautiful area
I mean...in all truth, what would any of us do to gain unlimited knowledge and wisdom?
Mimir being based.
what is the mask all about
Never seen a more detailed depiction of a narcissist in video games, or really any medium
Come on mimir...that's cap...
Randomly makes suggestions of a very specific mask, and then stumbled upon it wandering through the realms!?!?!?!?! Come on...that's cap....CAP!!!🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢
0:26
there is actually an alternative ending to the game
if you side with odin during the final fight and put on the mask, atreus gets mind controlled by the mask and odin ends up winning everything, exactly as described by angraboda's mural
This ending that you made up? XD
Yeap in Narnia
And then Santa shows up to slay the Jabberwock and save Middle Earth?
@@akiramasashi9317 How did you know about the parts you weren't there for?
@@akiramasashi9317 Nah, it's Narnia! They slayed the Jabberwocky and saved Narnia
The mask is such a waste of time