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Best Show Ever!
Yes agree. Never disappoints and with satisfying ending.
You should watch the Spartacus series from Starz next or Black Sails.
The ending represents him becoming the new king beyond the wall. No one will care he's not at the nightswatch, cause he did Westeros a favour killing Danny, and there's nothing there for him, and the nightswatch isn't a proper thing anymore, or needed. But not needed if Jon's king
The Jon ending is misunderstood. Tormund always said he belonged in the REAL north. I think he became the new king beyond the wall in that last frame. Also Sansa was always right not to trust Dany because she saw that she wanted to rule over the north and sansa was like fuck that we fought to gain our independence. Bran said he couldnt become lord because he knew he had to become king. The most knowledgeable person at the helm isnt such a bad thing. I didnt really like the ending when i first saw it but after i had time to think i now think it was brilliant story telling but was just executed too fast to digest. Needed at least another season and better deaths for them all.
Your reaction to bran being king had me in tears 😂😂
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@@ItsAPrimatee it's okay everyone had that reaction
@@ThatGuy-ch8wo Yeah, somehow the character who was missing from an entire season of the show had the "best story" lol. If anything, Bran should've been made the new Master of Whisperers to whoever the new ruler was, not the actual new ruler himself.
From a purely logical standpoint, Bran makes sense... but definitely not satisfying since his character was never really great. I don't have much an issue where any character ended up.
@@Ninten007 exactly. Where everyone ended up makes total sense.
Jaime's kingslayer level was so great that he tried to kill the future king in the first episode
Even if you believe that Dany should have been killed, her death is proof of how rushed this ending is. She had the quickest retribution for acts. Almost every other character’s evil deeds to seasons to repay, but hers were dealt with the very next episode. Not because it made sense, but because they just needed to end it at that point 🤷🏾♀️
No, she was dealt with quickly because Jon LEARNED THE LESSONS of the show. He spent eight seasons being honorable and learning what it means to do his duty. Everything he did was gearing him up to this moment.
''There will come a time when it is not so easy'' to choose between love and duty said Maester Aemon. Everyone thought he was talking about Ygrette, but this was just a dry run for the ultimate choice. If there had been a season of Dany the Mad Queen, it would have meant that the entire show was pointless.
And Jon did it the right way. He spent the entire dialogue trying to find good in Dany and only when Dany made it clear she would never consider anyone's voice but her own by saying ''They don't have a choice'' did he do the deed.
''It is said that wielding Lightbringer once again, Azor Ahai will stand against the darkness and if he fails, the world fails with him.''
Had Jon failed in stopping Daenerys, she would have gone to conquer the entire world.
The problem with the show is fans saying "should". Like we ever had a decision how things should go. They took the main character during the first season. Ripped loved fan favourites apart in a few minutes during the weddings. The show took us where it wanted, and never where we thought it should. So did the ending.
the events of Season 8 are not bad, the speed and lack of writing/development are bad
Jaime saying "I've never really cared much for them, innocent or otherwise" after becoming the kingslayer to save the population and Bran's "Why do you think I came all this way" after saying "I can never be lord of anything" perfectly sum up the quality of writing in this season (This comment is stolen).
The Bran thing made sense. He didn't want to be lord because he can see the future. Why settle for lord when he knows he will be king?
Completely agree with you. All these people trying to explain his line retroactively as he knew he would be king is nonsense. Bran was very clearly saying that as the three eyed raven he could never rule anyone, he is the living memory of Westeros and the world. It would make sense for him to become the royal historian, or master of whisperers, or some new sort of advisor to the king. But king??? hell no!!! The writing starts going downhill in season 6, progressively gets worse throughout 7 until were left with this steaming pile of crap. My other favorite contradiction is when Daenerys, attacks the Lannister army on their way back to Kings Landing after wiping out the Tyrells and seizing High Garden. Daenerys only a few minutes earlier is talking with her council and how they need the food stocks of High Garden, and then proceeds to destroy hundreds of supply wagons.
@@GreenFalcon926 He can't see the future. He can only see the past and things going on right now. He mentiones that, when being asked if dragon fire can kill a white walker.
@@dnocturn84 It's been explained before that he can. In S3 when talking to Jojen Reed.
Yeah, I guess D&D forgot!
Can't believe you've reached the end Primate. We've been waiting for you to get here but it also went by so fast it's kinda insane and bittersweet haha. It's sad the Game of Thrones reactions are over but it's been a journey and I also can't wait for House of the Dragon to get here for all of us tho. The end of an era !!
House of dragons up next!
"I never knew bells to mean surrender"
-Sir Davos.
The Battle of Blackwater Bay
Exactly
@@kathiamartinez2586 that line, and the before mentioned "a stark should always be in winterfell" despite all of them at that meeting are some of reasons why I cannot watch the last few episodes at all. Lol
I hate Arya’s ending. Arya’s arch wasn’t to be an explorer. It was to be a knight and defend her family. She should have become the queen’s justice, leader of the queen’s guard. They spent 8 seasons talking about how “the pack survives” just to break the pack up again.
Honestly even being a knight wasn’t her dream. It was Bran‘s. But they needed so badly to differentiate Arya and sansa so they made Arya the one who fights and sansa supposedly the intelligent one with politics which isn’t the case in the books at all. I am glad atleast she didn’t stay and be sansa‘s lapdog. They already made her less important than sansa in everything in the show. We really didn’t need that too. Also it’s arya‘s appreciation month in tumblr. There are some really cool posts that you can check out if you are a fan. ✨
wHaTs wEsT oF wEsT
Not even the tip of the iceberg on absolutely retarded ass writing in this season.
@@user-bk9bs3oc8c Arya’s whole arc was getting back to her family and training to defend/avenge them. She should’ve died trying to kill the night king and gave her life defending her family.
@@rtellez19891 Well in the books her training goes how to assassinate people by being everyone and no one. Which means getting into the role of everyone close to the person and then killing them without anyone noticing.She starts learning different languages, poisons, being blind and listening, if i am correct even a courtesan and so many different roles and most important getting thru lies of people by just looking at them. These are all qualities very important for someone to be high in power. Imagine how powerful arya is. But they didn’t show that in the show that much. She for sure would have get revenge on her family but we don’t know when would she even get back. Sansa was supposed to die from the original plot of george‘s so if any of the starks should have died it would make sense for her. But all the starks had armour plot in the show in the end so yep. No way arya is dying tho even in the books.
@@user-bk9bs3oc8c maybe knight isn’t the right word but she wanted to be a great fighter. Being an explorer doesn’t pay off her arch at all. But then again, almost no one had the arches paid off. 😏
The reason why Drogon burned the Throne was because he knew that Bran would bring his own chair
Rewatching GOT the second time was actually so much fun, because you see/notice so much foreshadowing, and I loved it.
Agreed!!! It makes sense :)
I think Jon should've been named King, Bran the Hand, Arya continues exploring, and Sana Queen in the North. I think Jon would have disbanded the kingship and made each of the seven kingdoms free but make a pack for them to unite under a common enemy. Then, he'd abdicate and go North of the wall. And Tyrion would retire to someplace in the Westerlands, start his vineyard, and die at the age of 80 with a belly full of wine and a girl's mouth... :D while finishing that honeycomb and jackass joke
I wanted Jon to be king but I’m content with his ending. He’s never wanted to be king or rule anything. All he’s wanted is to stop fighting & just enjoy life.
aegon literally saved the seven kingdoms by uniting everything, why would Jon do that?
that would only lead to the seven kimdoms fighting eathother all over again in the future tho
@@naseemaveasey4807 and it's such a waste. while book Jon is:
"Jon Snow had dreamed of leading men to glory just as King Daeron had, of growing up to be a conqueror"
"it's destruction I bring upon house lannister, not scorn"
The end of an era for sure. And a bittersweet one considering how the ending goes off the rails, but that’s neither here nor there the show was still fantastic and we shouldn’t let a messy last season stamp on its legacy.
I am however massively looking forward to getting into Breaking Bad. A show which literally everyone likes all the way through, and it only gets better and better.
Agreed. Breaking Bad has a great start and ending. And the best spin off ever made
@@livedieretreat7360 I love it so much. I cannot wait for Season 6 of BCS to start Monday.
BB is overrated
@@musicmashup9597 That's okay. Not everyone is able to appreciate a true quality show when they see it.
@@josephwantock1993 lol there are far better shows
I love how even you (being very forgiving of the show's faults so far) wasn't having it with this ending
Now do you understand the hate for this ending?
Funny story, every year at Comic-Con, hundreds of people would line up to sit on the Iron Throne. Once this season was released and ended, the Throne was completely empty at the following Comic-Con.
Loved this ending. Nearly perfect.
That's overdramatic. I hate fair-weather fans.
@@blitzgirl6522 Really? That reaction seems very reasonable lol
@@blitzgirl6522 If you have to support things that suck because the entertainment stopped entertaining, then I pity you.
Many people still support GRRM and condemn the ending of the show.
@@blitzgirl6522 Fair-weather fans? It's not a fucking sports team 😂😂
Daenerys or Jon should be on the Throne. It’s okay to root for a Targaryen restoration. Looking forward to House of the Dragon, we can all go back in time, and forget king bran for the moment.
but then the wheel wouldn't be broken then therefore the whole point of danys story would be ruined
Jon is the New King beyond the wall. He left the Wall just like Mance did.
Ehhh nothing about Jon's sorry has suggested that. He has always refused to be a leader unless forced too. I don't think he will take that mantle now. He's completely over it. He just wants a simple life.
@@DC3328 Jon has always wanted to live a simple life and has always ended up in a leadership position. Sure he went beyond the wall to live a simple life, but his character and past show us that eventually this will happen The Wildlings all looked to Mance to lead them, who was a good leader and a former Knights watch from the wall. If that does not sound like Jon then I don't know what does.
That's the impression I got from it. But we won't know for sure until he finishes the book.
It's funny how everyone does the same with Dani as with Anakin. It's not his/her fault! Other people should have done this or that bla bla. No it is their fault. People miss the whole point of Tyrion's speach here. he tells Jon that people cheered because Dani killed bad men, The first thing many reactors do is defend that. It was different they say, those where evil people so that was okay they say. But the point Tyrion is trying to make is how those dubble standards are exactly the problem. She burned people, she crucified people, she conquered and destroyed. And she enjoyed doing it. yes her victems where often evil men. That doesn't mean the way she goes about doing things is not problematic. People where decieved, ignored or did not notice her nature, because she turned that nature to bad people. But what people need to understand it's not just WHO it is done to that matters. It's also the HOW, the WHY that matters. Dani was a problem as early as s1 one. Where she burned that women alive at the pyre. She is vendictive, prideful and always obsessed with power and getting what she feels she is entiteld too. Alongside that she did seem to genuinely care about people, she did want justice. She is not all bad or all good. But people glorify her good and ignore her bad because ''she killed bad men''. And thats the lesson Tyrion is trying to convey here. the lesson very few people seem to actualy learn as the first thing they do is defend their support of Dani killing those bad men, but not suporting what she did in kings landing. Completely ignoring the point that Dani was a problem with how she killed those bad men as well. People need to own up to the fact they misjudged Dani, that they didn't pay attention to the warning signs, and did indeed fall into the trap off ''as long as the victems are bad men, the person doing the horrible acts of murder is a good guy'' mindset, they will always keep putting bad people in positions of power and then feel surprised and betrayed when they start doing shit your against, like burning cities. Dani was not different in s8 compared to other seasons, she just had different targets. Her methods where similar, her sense of self importand justice is the same, her intentions to liberare are the same. And a lot of fans did notice this and warned this was how her story would end and people did not listen. And then it happend and people make excuses and start blaiming everyone but Dani. Oh if only Jon had loved her better, oh if only Sansa had not said anything (because keeping your brothers secret is more importand then protecting the realm of men against a power hungry destructive queen, which Sansa clearly noticed she was. She has some experience with that type of person. She did the right thing. She would have been moraly wrong to keep the secret. Keeping a secret is not by default the moral correct thing to do. Sansa made the right call here. Dani is bad news, and she noticed, like some viewers also did, while talking to an army of people who refused to notice it.) No. No matter what Jon or Sansa or Tyrion had done, none of that would have changed Dani's nature. Maybe it would have changed her actions in that moment of time, without guarantee she would not do something similar down the line. but she enjoys burning her enemies. She enjoys being worshiped as the savior. She has a long as list of titles she glows at when people list them. She has a huge ego problem. And you need to keep people like that FAR away from positions of power. This was 100% only Dani's fault. Because she made the choices she made. Nobody around her is responsible for her. Only she is. And no amount of people doing shit different would have changed who Dani is as a person. At best the problem would have escelated down the line. But make no mistake, it would have. Dani is an amazing character. Exactly because she is a lesson for people. A wake up call. A mirror for real life thats uncomfortable for people. To accept and understand you can and are manipulated to root for people because of what they do. While ignoring the how and why parts of it. The act itself is not all that matters. Context matters. And with context Dani enjoys graphic and cruel ways to kill people, burning them, locking them up to starve, crucifying them. She is not about real justice, she is about revange and power. Jon is about justice. And the difference between their motivations, their attitude and their desires are as night and day.
What a great character analysis. Bravo!
Sansa didn't cause Dany's behavior; she predicted it. Jon's parentage would have likely gotten out anyway; Sansa was only one of several who knew. If Sansa hadn't said anything, Dany would still have lost her shit at the deaths of Jorah and her dragon and the execution of Missandei.
Sansa saw the ambition and fury in Dany that Jon couldn't - and what it could mean for the North - and tried to get out ahead of it by getting Dany's own circle to stop her. It didn't work, but it was the only option she had. Sansa is proven right by Dany"s speech that lists Winterfell as one of the places she would "liberate." Why would Dany need to liberate Winterfell when Jon has already sworn the North to her allegiance?
It's because Dany is not satisfied with the North just going along with her leadership, rather than enthusiastically embracing it. Her goal at Winterfell would be to root out anyone who doesn't display immediate, blind allegiance to her reign. This would effectively target most Northerners including Sansa and Arya.
Sansa acted to protect her people in the only way she could. Jon doesn't resent her for it because in the end, he knows he was wrong about Danny and Sansa was right. Arya even told him Sansa is the smartest person she ever met. Considering Sansa from a brief acquaintance with Dany had a better measure of the potential threat Dany posed to Winterfell than Jon did, Arya spoke the truth.
all of this is so true. too many people in dany's camp let their love for her blind them to the path she was going down. sansa had no devotion to her so she was able to see the truth and she did what she had to do for her family and the kingdom.
THANK YOU!!! YOU GET IT 💯💯💯👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
But yeah most of the choices in this episode suck 😂
Yup. Yup. Yup. It boggles me that there's so many smart characters in this show that get applauded for 'playing the game', even if it means manipulating people, but when Sansa does it she is considered disloyal or a bitch or whatever. It's like there are blinders on where Sansa is concerned because she used to be a brat, and they can't differentiate an arrogant child and a confident woman.
Absolute FACTS!!!!
Bran: Why do you think I came all this way?
Me: Bro WTF 🤔🤣🤣🤣 what a weird ass line at a weird ass time lol idk maybe it’s just me I laughed mad hard when I first saw that part
It’s a shame because I really do love the idea of having a main protagonist hero like Daenerys turn out to be a villain in the end. But we really needed at least two more seasons to make her downfall more believable. And we needed Martin to have actually finished the books first because the show started to fall as soon as they had no more source material to work with.
nah if you watch closely dany was WAY too many moments where she does things that are evil. its literally explained in the show. " with each victory she feels more sure of herself" making her burning kings landing and the build up very believable. those who say otherwise just dont know anything about writing and only wanted her to be queen cause they liked her.
Sansa may have had a big part in Daenerys going insane, but that shouldn’t have driven her insane. She was always going to face adversity, she was always going to face other rulers with entire kingdoms who support them and don’t need to be “liberated”. The fact is Daenerys didn’t know how to win the love of people who didn’t need her, and when it all came down to it, she just wanted to be queen. Period.
In Essos we only ever saw her win. We only ever saw her freeing slaves and killing slavers and anyone loyal to them, so it was really easy to believe the lie she told herself and everyone else, that she just cared about building a better world for the common people. We never saw what happens when she has nothing to buy their love with and they tell her “no”. That shouldn’t have affected her the way it did. A fit ruler would have been able to handle that. The person she believed she was would have respected Westeros’s choice, gotten rid of Cercei for them, let them choose a ruler they do support, and gone back to Essos where the people loved her and where she was actually doing them good. Slavers Bay needed liberation but Westeros was already free. They didn’t need liberation. They only needed a choice. She just never prepared herself for the possibility that that choice wouldn’t be her.
Even worse, she had an obvious choice that would have given her just about everything. Why NOT support Jon as king? What is it to her? He'd make her his Hand and with her three dragons she would have been the most powerful person of Westeros, both the muscle and brain of Jon's rule who very much would have been content to be just a figurehead.
@@SerbAtheist Why his Hand? Why not joint rulers? A sovereign King AND Queen of equal power, building a new Targaryen dynasty? They could look to Jon all they want but the Queen is the one with the dragon. But no. Turns out that wouldn’t be enough for her. And even if it was and the people kept constantly going over her head to Jon just because he’s the man, sooner or later she wouldn’t tolerate that anymore. Arya was right; he would always be a threat to her. Eventually that threat would have killed her love for him and she would have done the same mental gymnastics to justify killing him that she did to burn Kings Landing.
Couldn't have said it better myself. The amount of people that want to ignore the fact Danaerys really only ever wanted power and to be viewed as the superior, the Mother to all some might say, frustrates me. It was easy for her to feel like she was owed people's trust and devotion when the only people she had conflict with were doing things that were easy to view as horrible and evil but the minute she meets people who deserve the right to decide their futures rather than feeling like she's the obvious and best option for them then the hate, rage and obsession for power rises clearly too the surface. Sansa didn't cause Danaerys' downfall. Danaerys did it all on her own by being a greedy power-hungry psycho while deluding herself into believing she's the only one fit to lead anyone. If you blame Sansa, then you're probably the type of person that never takes accountability for the problems in your own life. Bad things just happen to you, right? Because of other people, right?
John's character returning to square one at the end of the show (being sent back to the knights watch) is a really good metaphore for how regressive this writing was in the last season.
That was the best ending for him. he never wanted to be a ruler of any kind and people kept asking for him to be. Lord of the Nights watch or King of Westeros. He went to the one place where he truly felt free and happy with the wildlings beyond the wall.
Maybe shows do the same type of writing connecting things full circle.
Even though 3 years have passed, the ending still leaves me with the same bad taste as when I witnessed it. Never had the death of a fictional character caused me as much pain as that of Daenerys, for weeks and even dare to say months; I couldn't get over the horrible end they gave my queen. I really cry a lot, like i never did. Years following the series, seeing how she evolved and became the female icon and all the potential that she could have had, wasted for nothing. Literally out of logic everything they did to him this last season. It hurts me that a character as important in the history of fiction as Dany is, has ended like this. The one and only truly face of Game of Thrones.
' Never had the death of a fictional character caused me as much pain as that of Daenerys'
Good. That was the point.
Just about everyone turns on Dany, right after she helped safe the entire realm.
I think Jon had the perfect ending except they should have at least recognized Jon as a candidate for the throne. But ultimately Jon got what he always wanted, he is with the wildlings where is not a “bastard” or “lord” or “king” he is just Jon. And it is implied he is the new King Beyond the Wall, so is technically still a king
Totally agree. If it was Jon's choice to exile himself, that would have been fine. He killed his queen, he didn't want to be king, he was mourning. They just needed to find a better choice for king.
Bro all these people that feel bad for Jon for where he ended up being… do they not understand that this ‘punishment’ is actually what he has longed for all his life?
After Jon killed Dany, I could see him roaming the streets all depressed. Then Davos come to him on horseback and he's like "bro, the Dotrakis and Unsullied have gone insane killing people cause Dany is dead". So Jon mount a force with the remaining of the Northern men and there's a sort of guerilla conflict between the two sides in the street. But then upon learning that Jon is Heir to the Throne, people from all the Seven Kingdoms come into the battle. Then to stop the conflict, Jon would have chosen himself to go to the wall.
@Cannibal Teddy No just something logical that makes sense. Like Game of Thrones used to be. It makes no sense that not only Jon being the heir does not come into play but that the Dotrakis or Unsullied does not try to kill Jon or go nuts after Dany dies. The last season was all about the information of Jon being the true heir. And they do nothing with it. Seems to me that Sansa would have spread the word around. And people from the kingdoms would have come into play. You have all these people like Tyrion who had just talked to Jon, who his friend Varys got killed cause he wanted him on the Throne say nothing when the choice of the new King arrive. Nobody talk about Jon being the heir, not even his sisters and brother! It's stupid and do not make sense.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Don't you realize the point of the show? The point of the show is that one's hetirage doesn't matter, but who is one as a person. The point was the realm slowly realizing that this obsession with the right heir brought them nothing but death and destruction, that there was another way, a better way, all symbolized by the burning of the Iron Throne. The Game of Thrones was a never ending cycle of competing claims to the Throne, the wheel that ground people up and entire societies as the nation repeatedly suffered under evil or incompetent rulers or civil wars. Now the King will simply be someone chosen, which will oddly enough make the realm far more stable.
As for Jon's heritage, once Dany started her rampage, it became irrelevant. Who wants to resurrect a dynasty with not one but two genocidal rulers? It would be like a German claiming the title of King of Germany based on being a descendent of Hitler. No one was up for a Targ dynasty anymore. And besides, even if they were, Jon was never leaving KL alive with his claims and titles intact.
Now our watch has ended my guy! I hope you react to the new prequel coming out in August. I’d for sure watch that with you! Btw the Starks for the win!
100% will!
@@ItsAPrimatee pls react to the HOUSE OF THE DRAGON trailer
@@kiara20238 no .. he get in the shows totally blind without trailers
@@ItsAPrimatee FUCK YEAAAAAA
I agree with almost everything you’re saying. I’ve watched this show through the eyes of reactors over 100 times through the years. I could never bring myself to watch this episode again, I hated the outcome just that much. I must have sensed you’d voice my feelings because here I am watching it,lol. I hated Bran becoming king and it all out gutted me seeing Jon kneel before him at the end.I hated Sansa periodt,lol.
Hating the outcome and believing the show is bad are two very different things.
Sansa was trash by the end and so was Bran. I wanted Gendry to be King and Arya his queen and Captain of his Guard. They did Brianne dirty too with Jamie leaving her. They ruined Dany's name simply because she became emotional about the loss of those dearest to her. She had always felt betrayed since her brother and in the beginning with Jorah ...she was triggered. I have sooo much to say but I guess I will stop here. Except Sansa did not deserve to be queen in the North, she beacme Cersi in the end with her scheming.
Also, little thing that was completely dumb in the King's Landing meeting : Sansa declared the North as its own independent kingdom. OK. Fine why not.
WHAT ABOUT THE FREAKIN IRON ISLANDS??
WHAT ABOUT DORNE???
Like both of them wanted only one thing : be independent again, that's a thing that Asha Greyjoy made clear with Dany in season 6 : we fight for you but at the end, the Iron Islands are not part of the 7 kingdoms anymore and SHE DOESN'T JUST MOVE A FINGER and just says "Aye" to Bran King, don't even say a word when Sansa gets the North??
Also, I thought the episode 5 was really spectacular, but a LOT of things fell flat really quick : the Golden company? Has been teased for an entire season, and gets obliterated in a second. The scorpions? They were introduced in Season 7, were like a token that was rare and needed to be protected cause that was the only thing that could defeat the dragons. They were terribly accurate in epidode 4, shooting multiple times a dragon in the sky, from moving boats and now? They're just here so that we have the illution that Dany is in relative danger.
Honestly, the worst part of it all is Dany turning mad in like half an episode. HBO proposed the showrunners to do a 10 ep season, they refused. They coulkd have fleshed out the turn into mad queen a lot more and that would have made a lot more sense.
You seem to have missed the point, she's lost her mind, she's gone crazy. Jon is not to blame, nor is Sansa. Dany is no different than her father.
Yeah I don't get his logic she did it because she was batshit crazy and filled with bloodlust and vengeance.
Wasn't John or Sansas fault at all...
I think you’ve missed the point. It doesn’t make sense. Just because her father is the mad king doesn’t mean anything. Just because you think her going crazy was fine, it doesn’t make any sense since she’s never killed an innocent person until the bells. It doesn’t make sense.
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@@xXSinForLifeXx W DANY
I was upset about Jon's ending as well but than I remembered that its quite fitting considering he has "the north in him....the real north". I just try to imagine him becoming a king behind the wall 😅
Him going off with the wildlings was pretty much confirmation to me that he was king beyond the wall.
I will always say I would have been happier with this ending if they fleshed it out just a little more. Give e an entire season of the white walker stuff, and then an entire season with Dany and her turn to madness. I would have been satisfied with it. But Bran being king is dumb.
They could have done so much more to flesh out Bran, too. If he was back with everyone for 2-3 seasons, he could have become a wise advisor with all the info at his fingertips.
If he had been more established as a reliable leader for the good side, we might have been also seen that he could be a capable ruler.
But D&D didn't give us that.
Bran becoming king is from George R.R. Martin.
Yeah we needed alot more time to develop shit the show runners D&D really screwed the show over.
HBO wanted more seasons they didn't so they had to rush this shit.
yeah. the story itself isnt that bad (well, bran being king kinda is due to how the show was written previously), but the foundation is really weak. the last 2 seasons are really rushed and the entire thing lost quality after they lost the guidance of the books. im 99.9% sure should grrm ever finish the series it will all makes much more sense. doubt we'll ever even see winds of winter though.
Sansa didn’t treat Daenerys like shit, she was just defending her people and her home.
Yeah I think the problem with Daenerys is that she felt lost and she thought no one loved her.
*A Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing"
I don't care what people think. Daenerys could have been a good queen if they didn't fu*ck up things the way they did.
Totally
Exactly. Everyone turned on her, and expected her to just sit there and take it? No.
Dany could have been a good queen if Dumb and Dumber hadn’t kind of forgot that she has had adversity and power and never did any shit like this. 🙄
No matter how you feel about the end, thank you for reacting to this show through and through. The journey was amazing to me, even if destination is up for debate.
Valar Morghulis.
Seeing your denial these last couple episodes has been bittersweet lol the more you think about this ending the worse it gets
Sansa didn't change for "no reason". She went from a naive girl to inadvertently learning and being "mentored" by two of the most scheming characters: Little Finger and Cersei. She knew exactly what she was doing revealing the truth about Jon...she learned that from Little Finger. She wants to be Queen in the North, because "no one can save anyone". She's taking her future into her own hands...she learned that from Cersei.
Jon isn't at the Wall. Jon is now the new King Beyond the Wall, like Mance Rayder was.
"I know a killer when I see one"
Well observed, Arya. She just killed half a city of innocent people.
That got me I don't know why 😂
Arya came to KL for nothing except taking useless screen time
I was so forgiving with the ending. I thought dany's choice to burn the capitol was rushed but you could justify it. And once she turned against the people, she had to die, and Jon killing her made sense because he was the only one to get close. But Bran being king, Jon not being killed for treason, tyrions entire character after leaving kings landing, and jaimes end were all really hard to swallow. Really obvious the writers had the endings for all the characters with no idea how to get there. Tyrions speech about Bran becoming king always makes me cringe. After all that, still a goat show, that's how great everything leading up to the end is. Great reaction as always!
There is foreshadowing for Bran as King in the books (beginning with the fact that he is the very first POV character in GoT after the Prologue).
But, especially in the later seasons it felt like D&D didn't care about his character. (I mean, they left him out of an entire season!)
@@jcompton8507 agreed, the speech alone just makes it horrible. They thought they could throw the character away and George was like actually....
"Obivous the writers had the ending for the characters and had no clue how to get there"
This makes the most sense obviously all these ending are probably correct but they didn't set them up or foreshadow them enough.
@@jcompton8507 tbf his story was fucking boring until he reached the cave.
this dany scene infront of iron throne is just like she saw in season 2 ep 10 in tower of undying
in books she saw dream once if she took dragons to great fire they will be reborn (which is mentioned in conversation with spice king in season 2)
Dude he had to kill her off she chose her fate.
She became a Villain
Thrones was always meant to have a messy ending
Now we are on to House of the Dragon
The way I looked at the ending was that, in the end, the Starks ended up with all the power...everywhere on the continent. Bran was King of the 6 Kingdoms, Sansa controlled the North, and Jon went beyond the wall and (its insinuated anyway) became King Beyond the Wall. That's the only explanation I have for why the writers went this route and Martin let them. All the major regions under the control of a single family which, when you think about it, means the wheel wasn't actually broken.
Bran becoming king is from George R.R. Martin. It's been confirmed.
Perfect example of subverting expectations horribly 🤣
“Like really, this is how the shows ending??”
Yeah, that was ALL of our reactions as well.
You have to look back and understand that Danearys's ending had NOTHING to do with Jon or Sansa. Sansa predicted the demise of Dany being queen. That's what both she & Arya was trying to warn him about- but Jon was blinded by his love for her. After all the madness and chaos that Sansa wen thru, she saw it coming. So her telling Jon's secret wasn't her being a bitch- but her protecting the North. About half of the Starks lost their lives due to the wrong ppl sitting on the throne, which is why she opposed Jon going south in the 1st place.
Sansa & Arya saw how power hungry and mad Dany was getting as she was getting closer to the throne, which is why she told Jon's secret. The rest told the secret cuz deep down they knew She wasn't right for the throne also and they knew she wouldn't walk away. So you can't be mad at her for protecting the north. Dany succumbed to her nature as a Targaryean and did exactly what her father, The mad king started. Jaime did his due dilligence and killed the Mad King, just as Jon had to do his and kill the queen before she burned the rest of the world. Sansa had finally got her family back, along with the north. So of course she's gonna make sure they don't make the same mistakes as their father and brothers did. She stayed true to herself and the North, which is why the north loved Sansa and respected her becoming their new queen and finally making the North an INDEPENDENT country. She did what was right, Which was why Jon couldn't be mad at her.
Yes the writting was bad the final episodes, but i still understand what they were trying to do. As far as Bran becoming King, i have no idea what that was about 🤷🏾♀🤷🏾♀😂😂
I don’t think it has anything to do with “succumbing to her Targaryen nature” there’s no proof the Targaryen’s are mad at all. Very few can be genuinely considered so, their wrong doings or mistakes are just heavily highlighted due to their positions as the rulers, and people tend to remember the bad more than the good.
Is it also right to make the entire realm suffer for the sake of the North?
@@jamesadams2033 Yeah okay🙄🙄
@@PrincessSarah090288 your welcome to research it I’m not making anything up. There’s been at most 6 “mad” Targaryens and all have a reasonable explanation behind it, not it being in their nature.
Maegor is speculated to be born from blood magic, hardly a normal way to enter the world.
Baelor was just cray.
Rhaegel had a fair few generic disorders he was born with, not exactly something he can control, something was bound to go wrong in some way. He also wasn’t born of incest, his mother was a Martell used to bring Dorne into the fold so he was less inbred than his parents.
Aerion struggled in childhood and had the visions Targaryens get, which is the entire reason they went to Dragonstone in the first place.
Aerys wasn’t always mad and for a good portion of life showed promise to be a good leader. He was kidnaped in Duskendale, and kept captive of Lord Denys Darklyn for a while, he was tortured, and it is implied that he was sexually abused while captive, pretty traumatic to go through and would easily leave someone with something like PTSD.
Viserys had his under life turned upside down at the age of 8 and had to flee the only home she’d ever known, selling the only ties he had left to his mother like her crown, running from place to place, all the while caring for his baby sister, and he wasn’t even 10 yet. Again, going to have some heavy consequences and influences.
Hardly going mad by nature and came with pretty good explanation for it.
@@jamesadams2033 I'm not getting into all that....The point is that regardless, Danaerys inherited her father's madness. Targaryans dont really have much of a good track record- which is why they said that every time a Targaryen is born, it's like tossing a coin. And we clearly saw where her coin had landed🙄
@@PrincessSarah090288 you just can’t back your point up and it shows considering I just proved you wrong. She didn’t inherit any madness. Aerys was significantly mentally ill for pretty obvious reasons if you read above, thats genuine severe madness. Daenerys was not mentally ill or insane, she certainly inherited no madness like what her father had. She just made extremely brutal and violent decisions knowing full well what she was doing, I’m sure others like Cersci would do the same if she had dragons and knew she’d otherwise lose (not that Daenerys would lose for obvious reasons), yet she wasn’t “mad” and wouldn’t be called it.
“I’m not getting into all that” is just another way of saying you know your wrong and can’t argue against my proof. Get over yourself with the eyerolls its just pathetic.
Everyone has their own opinions, I get that. But I just don’t get why people hate Sansa for what she’s always have wanted for the North- Independence. Yeah, Dany helped fight the Night King for the North but not FOR the north. She did it for Jon. At the end of the day, All hail The Starks!!! Love the ending!!! Thanks for your reactions, bro! It was great!
I can't stand how they have an entire army at the ready right after the war with the night king. They literally respawn all of them again for these last episodes even though they should be dead.
Reacting to season 8 is like going to the Kitchen and Reacting to everything in the Trash Can.
Love seeing Sansa haters mad at her happy ending 🥰
Remember, Jon really didn't want to be king. I think putting him on the throne wouldn't be what's best for his character. I feel he did way more for the people of Westeros at the Wall, or at least forged his identity there.
I agree he shouldn't have ended up on the throne for sure- he wouldn't have made a good king imo- but man did they drop the ball with his story arc. It amounted to very little. It would have mattered more if he was actually given the option to be king and then declined it rather than it be taken from him and given to Bran, because it didn't really feel like a conscious decision on Jon's part.
@@BrightNeonBrilliancy True, and if there were more episodes or at least 1 more season, it would have "pleased" the disappointed folks more. But what's done is done so I enjoyed it for what it was. Not angry or anything about the choices, it just needed more time. Still 10/10 show for me. Hell, I don't like how Star Trek Voyager ended but it's still my #1 Star Trek show of all time.
I say this as a Dany fan: she deserved to be held accountable for war crimes. I wish there had been a trial, but...she couldn't be left to rule after what she did.
Then you’re not a fan lol. You fundamentally don’t understand her, or the position she was in. This comment is gross.
@@Devoted2Mariah gross? she was a tyrant and a war criminal. and insane. yeah she had a tough life, but it doesnt excuse anything.
@@Devoted2Mariah Don't tell me you're that kinda feminist.
My favourite meme after this was Drogon looking at the dagger in Dany going "Hmm, pointy...", then looking at the Iron Throne "Also pointy, FUCK YOU!"
Personally, I think Bran warged into him and turned the throne into a wheelchair ramp because he knew what was to come.
I know I am one of the few when I say I really loved the way it went. Sansa had been through alot of shit to recognize that Draenrys wouldn't be a good Queen. She took a risk by telling Tyrion, sure, but she didn't hate Draenrys for No reason. Draenerys had shown signs of being a bad Queen for a looooong time and it was for the better that they killed her off. Thank f'ing god. I think, personally, that the only thing that happened that could have been better, was Cercei's pathetic death. But then again, the show is full of surprise, and I kinda laughed when it happened 😆 Bran as king was also the best sollution. John NEVER wanted to be king anyway.
Preach! I felt the same dude. Still love the show but there was so much f’d up with the end. I was literally laughing out loud with Bran. I feel ya❤️
Sansa low-key became Littlefinger 2.0 and set all this in motion
Only Drogon survived and Bran can control him...didn’t ever think of that! Wow!
If you really think about it, the Starks won everything in the end. Sansa was always pushing for the North. She saved the North at the battle of the bastards by doing what had to be done. John didn't. John was never a politician, he was too honest. You saw how quickly Danny pulled her hand away from hers when Sansa asked "what about the North". She knew Danny would never let them be independent. Sansa telling Tyrion didn't make any difference in the outcome. Danny would have still torched King's Landing and continued her quest of ruling the world. John was always happiest in the north. This was Bran's way of freeing him. Since there isn't any real need for the Night's Watch he's free to go north with the wildlings and become their leader.
Bran was the perfect choice as king. He knows their history and can see things happening everywhere. He didn't really have any ambition to be king and will listen to his advisors. He can't have children which is breaking the wheel, which lead to having a semi-democratic election among the lords to elect a new king when the time comes. Maybe not perfect but much better then their current state.
Arya gets what she wanted. To not be a lady. Go explore, new adventures.
When producers and money people tell you to wrap up something this massive in a short amount of time it's never going to be perfect. I was happy with how it ended given the time restraints and the fact that the author never finished the books.
This is what partially annoyed me. Given the nature of the story it just doesn’t seem right a single family of “good guys” should ultimately win it all and get what they always wanted, even if it’s not what they realised they want. Just feels too black and white in a story that was gray.
I’m so annoyed at the Sansa hate, she’s my fav of the surviving characters. A stranger invaded the country with plans to rule and dethrone the North, with recent family history of murdering Sansa’s family. And she stood her ground, told the invader she was staying put and finally accomplished Robb’s dream of an independent North. It’s really annoying to hear she should let herself be subjugated again and is the blame for the actions of a psychopath who didn’t like being told “no”.
My exact thoughts...
It's frightening how easily people get subsumed into Dany's ego and perspective... ''Tarly's should have just kneeled'', ''Jon should have just kept the secret of his heritage'', ''Sansa hated Dany for no reason'' even ''Missandrei is innocent'' (the chief advisor of a hostile invading army is innocent???)
Oh, but there was that one time she chained her dragons, so that automatically means that everything she does is kosher.
Agreed. I think alot of it is Dany is seen almost as a perfect protagonist. She is flawed like most of the characters. Sansa was flawed throughout, but the bottom line was that she told the truth about John's parentage and then Dany chose to act up about it. This last season was rushed, but I like that the writers made a choice, rather than leave things open ended. I think the haters only wanted a happy ending for Dany. The Bran thing was kind of a stretch for me at the time, but how could you argue with making the guy with superpowers the king/
Santa was almost as boring of a character as bran. She seemed to do nothing the last few seasons even though she and Jon were the two main leaders of the north.
Yeah, I remember when everyone was in an uproar when she burned everything & said, “it’s soo out of character”, “she would never”, etc
& don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed Dani, and I think she absolutely got a lot of things right - BUT, I clocked her way back at Qarth when she was talking about “I will burn cities to the ground & lay waste to those who turn their backs on me” (or something close; I’m sure that’s not the exact quote, lol)
But I was like… is everyone just blinded by her beauty & her few good deeds? Did no one ever listen to what she was _actually_ saying?! 😅 she was always going to use those dragons to burn shit to the ground, lol.
There was dialogue throughout the whole series that nods to her eventually going mad like that. 🤷🏻♀️ I get some of the things she did was justified, but that was never out of the blue.
Sansa’s gut feeling turned out to be right, soo… I don’t blame her. 🤣
I love seeing the perspective about Sansa. I saw it differently. It’s in the title: Game of Thrones. Sansa played the game at the end and gained independence for her family name with it. She learned from Joffrey, Ramsay, and of course the biggest lessons from Littlefinger. No one played the game like him, and she never forgot it.
The one thing I do agree with was her hate toward Dany. It seemed a bit out of place for her character all of a sudden. But she chose that side of things and rode with it.
I think her hate towards Dany was justified and it was just proof with Dany’s speech.
@@NoName-tr1my is Sansa psychic? Because Daenerys didn’t deserve the way Sansa treated her before episode 5. She came to save the north because she wanted to (before Jon bent the knee). And while Dany was saving them Sansa was bitching about it.
@@chlc4305 The reward for Dany helping the north against night king is that night king died. That's all the reward she deserves.
@@MMAisTHEbestSPORT08 Jon swore himself and the north to her. Y’all hate Dany so much your logic goes right out the window 😂 The north should be grateful.
@@chlc4305 No, Dany should be grateful. Had she not helped Jon against night king, she wouldn't have westeros to rule because by the time she got her army to king's landing, the night king would already be sitting on the iron throne with an army 200000+ strong. Daenerys would die a horrible death, far worse than the one she got. She didn't fight for the north, she fought for herself too.
It’s funny seeing him rage like we all did after the last episode.
When Tyrion says "sometimes duty is the death of love" flipping Master Aemon's line on its head, that was brilliant. Jon's situation was exactly like Ned's.When Varys said "What of your daughter's life my lord?", that was the parallel to when Tyrion reminded Jon of his sisters. Ned made the wrong choice & lost his head, Jon made the right one. It wasn't all just done for shock value, they did have a clear vision. Jon killing Dany in the throne room with all the ice and ashes is eerily picturesque. Straight out of a Renaissance romantic epic. They paid off Dany's vision of the destroyed Throne Room from season 2. They showed Bran's vision of dragon over King's Landing. King's Landing was gonna burn, no ifs & buts. Did you really think it was gonna be because of some gOoD GUys vs eViL qUeEn Godzilla vs Kong fight in a show that is all about nihilism? Dothraki loyalty ends with the death of the Khal. They're aimless savages after that. The Unsullied have no reason to fight the combined Kingdoms when they don't have a paymaster anymore. Jon can kill Dany "easily" as he is the only one who can get past the dragon. Jon sacrificing his crown is the story they've told all along, he is the anti-liberator, he is not blinded by his own righteousness & the worship of the masses. Who gets mad for a cringey Greyworm vs Jon Mortal Kombat 1-v-1 fight. For what? Just so honorable gOoD gUy Jon could get on the throne & live happily ever after in a show whose motto is "if you think this has a happy ending you haven't been paying attention"?Bet.
Dany proclaiming herself the freer of men women and children while standing on heaps of bodies of men women and children, as the ominous filming drive in the fact that this regime will be a tyranny far greater than the tyrant it has replaced, is uncannily relevant to current times. The speech is exact the same speech Drogo gave in season 1. It's the same 'epic' speech Dany gave to the Dothraki in season 6. Kill the men in the iron suits. Tear down their stone houses. She's saying the exact same words and people pretend to be surprised like "she's gone evil". No, you're seeing the consequence of those words when acted out. Maybe shouldn't blindly put your faith on demagogues in the first place. People even manage to act surprised that the Dothraki pillage, the Northmen commit atrocities! The reality is Dany was always gonna go off the rails without Jorah or Barristan to counsel her. This wasn't Dragon Lady Bad Overnight, there's about 15 different episodes of her counsels begging & pleading her not to commit mass slaughter. If that wasn't hint enough all there was left to do was to knock the self-denial out of the viewer with a frying pan. If you're mad that dUh gOoD gUys didn't get the chance to heroically vanquish dUh eViL qUeEn Cersei & give you a satisfying end, THEN GOOD. That's the point. Real wars rarely have satisfying desensitized endings. Casuals never cared about book loopholes. The real gut punch was they couldn't believe the show would have the audacity to make them feel stupid for putting their faiths in the hands of demagogic "liberators" & not being able to enjoy NPC mass slaughter as they're forced to feel bad for the likes of Jaime, who btw had the most righteous full-circle of his tragedy than any "goodies prevail" joyous ending would've done for his character.
Thank you for this comment! MTE but you said it all far better than I could've!
Tyrion manipulated Jon into killing Dany to save his own skin. At least be honest, Tyrion isn’t dumb. Nor does he have morals.
It seems that you do not understand that Daenerys was going to destroy Kingslanding no matter what. You've been missing quite a few chapters 😅😅😅.
What Sansa did didn't change any of that. At best, she may have led Jon to kill Daenerys, to avoid greater evils, which ultimately saves all of Westeros from ending up the same as Kingslanding. The fate of Daenerys was put before you countless times from the visions of Bran, her fanaticism or that vision of the House of the Eternal, which is the biggest Spoiler of the end that the series has given. As for Jon, he always said that he didn't want to be King and he got what he always wanted, so his ending seems fine to me. The only problem with the ending is Bran being king, but that will be the end of the books as well. I'm sorry you're one of the many who didn't like the ending. I, on the other hand, think it could be a better ending but I'm relatively happy.
I hope you reads this
Man that dragon knows a symbol when it sees one 😂😂😂
What do you mean Sansa made bad decisions?! She protected her home and stayed true to herself. Also, Bran is the best Possible king, considering what literally just happened.
Drogon discovering Dany is dead still gets me a bit teary
Sansa did the right thing LOL why would she keep Jon's secret of him being the true heir when she's one of the first people to realize Daenerys was losing it... if Daenerys ended up on the throne, the North wouldn't have independence - she did what she had to do and set events into motion that would've happened either way .
“iM tHe ThReE eYeD rAvEn, I cAnT tITeLs”
Basically the ending is showing that House Stark won the Game of Thrones. Brandon became King of the 6 kingdoms, Sansa became Queen of the North, and John Snow lead the Wildlings back home to become king of the True North. They are the family in charge of all of Westeros and Arya possibly expanding it even further.
When Jon screams "children, little children burned!" and I hear the parallel of Maester Aemon's voice from Season 1 saying "the children, even the little children!". Or when Tyrion says "what about your sisters" and I hear Varys asking Ned "what of your daughter's life my lord"...it's those things that make me lowkey tear up. When Dany almost touches the throne! So close and yet so far! The BGM during that whole sequence is unnerving. The dull gray fatalistic imagery of the capital before and during the events of the throne room are as breathtaking as they are gloomy. And that Stark song at the end...🥺
Honestly that line reminded me more of Robb stark yelling at the men who killed the lannister kids. But yeah that is a good parallel to aemon explaining what happened.
I felt much the way you did and I still somewhat do but you can also look at it this way: The series of books this show was based upon is called "A Song of Ice and Fire". As the author stated, Jon was Ice, Daenyrs was fire. Its was always about the two of them from the beginning. You watch them both rise from nothing and become monumental figures in this fictitious world. Its about the rise and then ultimately the tragic fall. Danny attains all she wants but loses herself, and her life, in the process. Jon the always reluctant hero who could have been this beloved king was reduced to a lifelong punishment. Danny dies and Jon, the prince who was promised, ends up leaving to join the tribe of wildlings to live as one of them. The story was never going to end well. Watching 8 seasons of this I knew that these two would not ride off into the sunset together. This is similar to a Romeo and Juliet but much more epic. It is a greek tragedy and thats the heartache of it all because what could have been but was never meant to be...
On another note its been a hell of a ride with you. Thanks for the great reactions man!
The Real Reason Why Sansa and Dany's relationship wasn't just something that was forced for conflict, but it was a foregone conclusion, forged by Sansa's experiences, long hinted by GRRM :
"Once, she had loved Prince Joffrey with all her heart, and admired and trusted his mother, the queen. They had repaid that love and trust with her father's head. Sansa would never make that mistake again."
Cersei and Dany's fall was inevitable because of their ruling philosophy :
"The only way to keep your people loyal is to make certain they fear you more than they do the enemy."
"I will remember, Your Grace," said Sansa, though she had always heard that love was a surer route to the people's loyalty than fear. If I am ever a queen, I'll make them love me.
Sansa is the only 'ruler' we repeatedly see actually ruling, meeting with the lords, taking care of the things that matter in every day life, like food, supplies, weather, etc. Undead Mountains and monstrous beasts inspire fear, not reverence. When you are being ruled by an iron fist, a revolt is inevitable.
Bran secretly being the night king would have been the perfect ending.
I never had a visceral reaction against the anticlimactic mellowness of the finale. I thought it fit right in with the ambience. I think we have been conditioned by TV shows to expect certain things and anything not sticking to that vision is automatically chalked up to the bin. But GoT always had a way of screwing with those expectations, it was a bit too late to be this dismayed. But how can you stand Bran on the throne? Hell no I didn't want Bran to be king lol, but I knew none of the main players were gonna end up on the throne either, and I was fine with that. I always thought it was gonna be Gendry or someone like that. As a House Lannister diehard I'm glad The Lions went out unbowed. I had no interest in seeing her become dragonfood and Jaime dying while protecting her IS the most selfless thing he could do as a "good guy". I just can't think of a happy ending for a tragic character like Jaime. The eerie ambience of the desolate ash'd out throne room, with Dany all alone and that haunting score playing, that always bring back a rush of emotions and memories for me. The montage in the end is bittersweetly expressive too. The show is about the Starks. The Starks won. Both the Targaryens didn't. I've no issues with that. Some of the iffy shit they did to get to that point? Sure. But the destination itself? I'm totally fine with it.
The first lesson you learn in Speech/Persuasion is that how you say something is far more important than what you say. How you execute a story is far more important than the end result of the story.
Well said!
I did not hate where most of the characters ended up either.
@@tahireed I disagree! And everything is subjective so even though how something is presented to you may bother you it may be fine or even enjoyable for others.
@@tsmith8082 Your point is completely irrelevant. Poorly written things are bad no matter how you personally feel about them. I dont care that you like bad writing. Its bad writing. If you don't understand the importance of execution in storytelling, than you are completely clueless.
Daenerys lost me at the crucifixion, for it was no different than what she did now, destroying the city.
She took the villain's journey.
Exactly like Tyron said we all cheered when she did it to evil people but when she does it to innocents we are shocked.
Bran becoming King is something that could make sense. He is the Three Eyed Raven, he can see everything. He can find a solution for any problem that's fair and just.
Just the Reasoning WHY he became King is freaking stupid.
Yeah exactly. Bran being king is sensible, and would've been great had they built his story for that. I mean "hey this guy should be king since has an infinite pool of wisdom, can just learn how to be a great leader, and will be able to manage everything in a just and proper way" would be a great reason. But instead we got "yeah he should be king because he has a really good story". Like... huh?
Even Bran's actor thought they are joking for making Bran the Useless King
When I watched the last episode, I was so into it like I wasn’t even aware of this is actually the last episode of my favorite series.. by the end I felt so emotional to know that I’m not getting anything new about it anymore.
I know the last couple seasons were not as amazing as we wall wanted, but it still my Top 1 series
At this point You can't possibly defend Danny and condemn Sansa. It's incoherent.
Don't forget that only Jon could've gotten past Drogon guarding Dany. So it wasn't an easy thing to do. Was Jon going to the wall redundant? At the Great Council held in the dragonpit, there was no consensus on Jon's actions. Some like Edmure and Sam supported the Starks. Some like Yara remained loyal to the Targaryen cause. So the Starks demanding Jon be put on the throne or the Unsullied demanding Jon's execution, both would've meant further civil war. There was enough support on both sides to provoke reprisals. The only way out was both sides agreeing to an armistice. Three Eyed Bran seemed perfectly capable of throwing Jon under the bus in exchange for the greater good, i.e. stability of the new government. Same with Sansa. Jon had no illusions about her twisting the knife in his back. Jon never said yes when she asked him "can you forgive me". Jon stood in the way of a new era of Stark domination in Westeros. He had to go. After Robert's Rebellion Ned wanted Jaime to be punished but Robert pardoned him as he knew he couldn't keep his throne without Tywin's support. It's no different here, trading justice for alliances. They have a fragile peace after a long war. Only way to maintain it is to come to a compromise. The North gets the throne, but has to sacrifice Jon in turn. Peace is maintained. Politics is fickle.Characterwise Jon's progression to King Beyond the Wall is not that egregious to me. Where Jon's loyalty truly lies was always a question. The show did have parts which showed how out of place and uncomfortable Jon was with the frills and traditions of the Lords, whereas he was at his happiest being carefree with Ygritte beyond the wall. I don't think it's a reach unless you really just had a one-track mind of seeing no one but Jon on the throne. The exile makes him cut a very sacrificial Jesus-like figure, which is way more Jon than he is a ruler.
I was disappointed in the way they ended the show but honestly it actually grows on you if you re-watch the show
Sansa did what she think is right and she is totally in her character, i mean come on from her perspective how can she trust Dany after being seeing so many people gone mad over power. And she totally deserve the throne after what she is went through. The truth is its totally Dany's fault.
I agree! Sansa played the game just as any other character deemed 'smart' or a 'master manipulator' would, but for some reason when Sansa does it, she's just a 'bitch' or disloyal.
@@BrightNeonBrilliancy exactly!!
The truth is its completely DnD's fault for writing a bullshit plot whoch made zero sense. Eveyrone woyuld have loved Sansa in power if plot was done correct and other characeters were not derailed.
@@BrightNeonBrilliancy There is no "some reason". When other characters did it, other characters were not derailed to make them seem smarter.
if you are intentionally pretending not to understand, thats on you
also do rememenr, characterss like Littlefinger are hated a lot too and called all sort of names
It's going to be funny when George RR Martin is done with the books, and it ends the same way as the show did but more fleshed out. Remember the writers went to George RR Martin to see how it ended, not saying the writing wasn't bad which it was, but all the key moments that happens is the way George RR Martin wanted it to IMO.
That is total false. ASOIAF main story is way too different for to end the same way. The show runners of the tv show actually ignored book 4 and 5 key plot points. For example, None of Briene of Tarth’s chapters from ‘ A feast for crows’ weren’t even in the tv show. Her plot is so pivotal to main story, because she comes across a resurrected Caitlyn Stark (named Lady stoneheart) AND the brother without banners. GRRM has stated that he wished lady stone heart was part of the tv show because of her connection to the main theme of the book. Unfortunately the two dummy heads decided not to adapt any of it. Don’t get me started on Tyrion Lannister’s chapters. David and Dan has also said Jon stabbing Dany was there idea 💀something book readers would know won’t happen in the books.
@@Joncall99 Agreed - and it remains to be seen if Bran follows the same/similar arc/character development. He may remain more of his true self in the books, which might make him ruling make more sense if he does end up on the throne somehow. We still have so many other characters alive, "Aegon", and the Dorne plot too. I hope we get to see it all play out!
@@Joncall99 the ending will be the same. how it happens probably wont.
@@Joncall99True, but what i meant was the ending of the main characters in the show having similar ends to that of how the books will end there story. Like with Daenerys becoming bad, John going to the night watch, bran becoming the king, and Sansa becoming queen in the north. I also think the writers were bad when they ran out book material. But i could be wrong, and i hope GRRM gets the books out soon so we now how the real ending goes! I am excited for the new house of the dragon because those two writers are not involved.
@@Saintpimp21 i am also excited for HotD
To make you feel better (I heard this from someone and took a slight bit of satisfaction in it): Sansa is Queen in the North, Bran is King of the 6 kingdoms, Arya is Queen of the sea, and Jon is King beyond the wall. So technically, after all the suffering the Stark family won in the end.
Jon's building the new world with the free folk in the end
THE QUEEN IN THE NORTH BABY
Sansa learned how to utilize important information from both Cersei and Littlefinger. She knew that if she told Tyrion about Jon, her family would remain protected from Daenerys. She saw Dany’s BS coming from a mile away. Sansa was the MVP for me.
agreed! sansa saw who dany really was and did what she had to do. #sansadidnothingwrong
WELP I could've just scrolled down and read this comment instead of writing paragraphs to say the same - but SAME.
There was never gonna be a happy ending here.
They fully sh!t on my guy Jon. He deserved a better ending.
It's not committing treason to tell the truth about who the rightful heir. Sansa was absolutely right back in season 7. Her character started getting better after she escaped Ramsey. Dany would literally have killed everyone in the world to have power. It had to be done. John couldn't just be with her. The aunt / nephew relationship was too much for John. It's not the way in the norrth and Targaryns are likely to become crazy. Bran being king is weird though. Johm's ending was good because Tormund told him he had "the real North" in him before they parted ways at Winterfell. John left to go be with the wildlings and didn't stay at Castle Black.
26:41 I actually do like that ending for Arya aswell she was always the explorer.
I miss when my reactions to twists and deaths in the show was: ‘’WHAT????’’ And not ‘’what?’’
The new king had to be the one that brought his own "throne" since the iron throne doesn't exist anymore lol
Haven't watched GoT since start of 2020 when I finished it. My thoughts on the finale are with the majority, but I'll admit, seeing Tyrion break down seeing Jaime and Cersei got to me a little in the feels. A testament to Peter Dinklage's acting more so. RIP to the actors that spent years giving their all into their performances, only to be let down by their writers.
Nothing wrong with Sansa wanting the North's independence. Culturally, they're already pretty different from the rest of the kingdoms, same as Dorne.
Also... Grey Worm is gonna die in Naath. All outsiders die there if they stay, only the natives are immune to the butterflies
DnD kinda forgot about the poisonous butterflies.
Good he sucked anyway.
He is out of line for hating Sansa
Sansa won’t always be queen. She’s just sewn seeds for future conflicts so she could call herself queen of the north.
@@crymsonvega4854 IKR anyone who hates what Sansa did is wild because she's one of the consistent characters in the final season and her goal was independence for the North and she did what she had to do to get it
This is why sooo many ppl had an issue with this ending. Everything was rushed, words weren’t kept, loyalty was forgotten, justice wasn’t served. The action was good but this series is more than just action scenes.
Greyworm, who has spent all his life not even being aware of the laws and customs of Westeros all of a sudden respects and abides by them and let’s them override than any personal intuitions to kill Jon. Nice.
She was ALWAYS the villain, you just couldn't see it. Even when they were explaining it, you couldn't see it.
How was she always the villain? If they have to explain it maybe it's because they didn't do a good job showing it
The reaction is exactly what I had. The writing in the last season went down so bad. Shoulda been split into two full seasons. Season 8: White Walkers. Season 9: Final season
Would still be bad. Season 7 was bad too(and most of 6th), Season 8 just took all the fault for being the closer. D&D were great at adapting the story, but clearly aren't good original writers. No time in the world could fix that.
@@MOTHblank I agree. The show went downhill after they ran out of source material. Just wishful thinking lol
Arya: What's west of Westeros?
John: Can you just ask Bran? You wanted to be with your family, didn't you?
Just my opinion but . . . Not Sansa's fault. She is protecting the North and grew in both intellect and cunning as the seasons progressed. When John had decided that Daenerys side was where he should be, that made Sansa the true Warden of the North. She didn't kill tens of thousands of innocents to get to where they are at 13:30