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Game of Thrones Episode Description: In the aftermath of the devastating attack on King's Landing, Daenerys must face the survivors.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? THIS IS HOW IT ENDS? | S8 Ep 6 THE IRON THRONE REACTION
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"who has a better story than bran"
Jon by a country mile he literally came back from the dead to save the world
Pretty much everyone has a better story
Jon was NEVER going to accept being king. Did you Watch the show?!?
Also "the showrunners met up with Georges for a couple of days to talk about his ending and what he has planned for the last two books. So, S6-8 are not from the books, as the books are not out yet, but it was still following what Georges told them for the ending. For example, Georges literally admitted that King Bran was from him."
@@themingler441 amd Bran knows all of them
@@redcardinalist i always tought that Jon sitting on the throne, would be a "i don't want it, but there is no one better to do it" situation. King Bran is just super awlful for me. After he became the three eyed raven, i could only see him as the ultimate Varys and nothing else. Making the "mystical sage character" archetype into a king don't feel right.
I think George will probably fail to appease the fandom either way and he know that. I feel like he can't create a ending that is both fulfilling and surprising. In the end, almost everyone likes a happy ending. Not all objectives need to fail.
The idea is to pick someone who has a story about perseverance. This line isn’t Tyrion talking to the viewers. The writers know Bran was boring as shit, but he was still the right pick. Because Westeros needed a boring king. Someone who will fix the sewers of KL, not someone who’s doing cool moves with his sword.
Westeros needed to change. They needed to stop giving power to someone just because he was borned in the right family. They needed to stop vindicating war heroes who took power by force.
Westeros needed someone to rebuild the country and avoid it plunging back into wars. That’s where Bran becomes important. He knows the history, so he knows the past mistakes and what leaded to wars. He also can’t have kid, so the next king will have to be chosen for his qualifications. He also doesn’t have any personal ambition. So, he’ll always remain objective. And, he has a story of perseverance. He wanted to be a knight, which is what every man wanted, but he became a cripple, which most men would’ve prefer to be dead instead. But he survived. He found a new purpose and found a way to help people.
The Kingdoms were broken, so they picked a Broken King to rebuild it. Yes, it’s anticlimactic, but it was meant to be. Because, as I said, Westeros didn’t need another King Robert who took the crown by crushing an evil dragon in an epic battle. They needed a fucking nerd who’s going to rule with knowledge and wisdom.
Honestly, I think my biggest issue is after ALL the lead in and finding out about Jon's parents, it goes nowhere!!!
That was most disappointing to me also. It was such a big shock to learn of his parentage and it was all for nothing.
For some reason mine was the way cersei went out. Actually you're right, Jon's story going no where was a bigger issue
Exactly!!
That’s called a negative character arc.
Character arcs can be positive or negative. And in most stories, especially ones on feudalism, where the characters have direct influence over worldly events, the character arc can influence the story world arc.
In the case of GOT, both Jon snow and Dany had negative character arcs. Both of their arcs lead to a negative story arc, The burning of king’s landing.
Jon relinquished the throne, doing the honorable thing, though the honorable thing got his father and himself killed (by the night’s watch). Dany took the throne though it didn’t belong to her, doing the unhonorable thing.
The recipe for the arc is the emotional wound, the lie the character believes, vital information about the lie, and how the character handles the lie.
Ew: Jon snow is a bastard
Ew: dany’s family was murdered.
Lie: Jon snow is a bastard
Lie: dany is the heir
Vital information: Jon is the king
Vital information: Jon is the king
Handle: gives throne to Dany though she is emotionally compromised
Handle: receives the throne though it does not belong to her.
Arc: negative
Arc: negative
Story world arc: negative(for most people) Dany chooses to lead by fear and burns the kingdom. Positive for Bran (he was playing the game as well).
Snow sequel in the works........ hopefully they will touch on that. Maybe....Drogon took Dany somewhere where a red priest or priestess will bring her back to life? They could do soo much. Even Arya sequel about her adventures..... finger's crossed
The writers invented a new character for these last two episodes. That is not Daenerys
For myself personally, the fact that seasons 7 and 8 were both so incredibly rushed - I mean, SO stupidly rushed….honestly, the ultimate decisions weren’t what I was most upset with. I could have gotten behind them, truly. But the fact that they rushed through those final two seasons so much - so needlessly, stupidly, stupidly much….ultimately, none of it felt earned because they rushed the freaking show far too much.
I feel the same way. A whole season dedicated to the knight king war and bran's thing explained more. a whole season dedicated to the war with cersei. major talked about the mad king getting captured and tortured and driven mad. we could've had a whole plot line of dany and messande getting horrifically tortured by Cersei. Her turn to being mad wouldve been expected and cheered by some. A plot line of the whole seven kingdoms rallying behind john and the starks to defeat her. she still wouldve had to die by johns sword in the end. He still wouldve had to go north cuz they would never follow a targaryan again. couldve had greyworm going to the island him and messande talked about. So much couldve been fleshed out if they just took their time.
Bingo
I wouldn't have a problem with how rushed it was if it wasn't full of logical inconsistencies.
I agree with you completely.
Seriously. While season only had 6 episodes… 6?!
When Jon screams "children, little children burned!" and I hear the parallel of Maester Aemon's voice from Season 1 saying "the children, even the little children!". Or when Tyrion says "what about your sisters" and I hear Varys asking Ned "what of your daughter's life my lord"...it's those little symbolisms that makes me tear up. When Dany almost touches the throne. So close and yet so far! The BGM during that whole sequence is unnerving. The dull gray fatalistic imagery of the capital are as breathtaking as they are gloomy. It's like the "world that could've been" buried under the debris, ash and snow of human folly. And that Stark theme at the end 🥺
It also reminds me of Davos's passion when he talked about the red woman burning Princess Shireen.
I had actually forgot the corniest part. Suddenly Drogon knows about the symbolism of the throne and burns it? Come ooonnn duuuude 😂
To all the people saying they got the general plot from George R. R. Martin on how to finish the show... Read his most recent Winds of Winter blog and Esquire interview from 3 weeks ago. He talked about completely changing how the show did it. Even claiming characters who lived in the show might be dead and characters who died might actually live in the books. "And the ending? You will need to wait until I get there. Some things will be the same. A lot will not.”
Bran gave Jon what he really wanted, in the north, free from fighting and politics.
Technically once Jon enters the Neck of Westeros, Bran's words have no sway.
A point to add beyond this is that the Night's Watch no longer exists anyway. They were pretty much all wiped out by the end, as far as it was shown Ed and the few who were left died at Winterfell. I don't get why people want Jon to be King of the Six/Seven Kingdoms, even though he would be a good King he would be absolutely miserable doing it. King Beyond the Wall on the other hand..... that is the right place for him to be. The Starks are running things across the entire continent, while Arya is traveling the world.
@@themourningstar338 I agree completely
if bran knew he was going to be king that means he played the game of thrones since he got his powers I like to believe it's still bran but no many emotions. but who would of thought a boy who fell at end of ep 1 became king what twist their.
I also believe jon got a good ending he never want to be king he wanted to be free.
I also believe Starks winning the game of thrones is good
Is 1 they went through a lot
2 they the oldest house in westeros so it would them to win.
the show is called game of thrones not white walkers I guess that way they only lasted one ep if it didn't theu would all been killed but they could have a fight scene with jon but he might not have a chance is the night king has super strength he killed a dragon with his strength alone.
Jon always wanted to be a Ranger. He is with the Ygrittes people. The people who thank and helped him. Accepted him, basted or not. He is with Ghost. And didn't think of it til you said it. But maybe in his Sequel 'Snow' he will be the King beyond the wall.
Bro, I totally enjoyed this journey with you!
A lot of people hated how it ended, but I was good with it. The series began with the Starks and ended with the remaining Starks getting pretty much what they wanted. As much as everybody wanted Jon to be king, he never wanted it. And Grey Worm would've never accepted him as king either. Sansa's loyalty to the North makes her the perfect northern queen. Arya never wanted to be tied down and became an explorer. Bran as king of Westeros is perfect because he has no personal agendas to stroke. And they all will always have a home to go back to in Winterfell.
I suspected Daenerys was gonna turn mad queen when she burnt Randall and Dickon Tarly to death. It was a slippery slope from then. Her finding out Jon's secret. Jon refusing her advances. Losing 2 of her dragons. Losing Jorah. Losing Missandei. It was too much for her.
Exactly. But what I find hilarious is that most of the people that are hating on the ending are huge George RR Martin fans, books over the show. What doesn't jive with that, is that George is the one that set everything in stone for the ending, from the very beginning, before the show was even shot. The pilot episode, all the stories repeated over & over again throughout the show & the visions all set in stone the endings for all the main characters who survived till the last 2 episodes. It's not about what the fans covet for an ending, it's about what each main character coveted, the demise or achievement in getting there in the end. The last 15 minutes of the show was perfection in my book, good guys, like in all great movies, end up on top.
@@Steve-eh4db Exactly. Martin wouldn't have signed off on Season 8 if it wasn't what he wanted. I remember some people not liking that Arya was the one who ended up killing the Night King. They wanted it to be Jon, i.e. the Azor Ahai theory (supposedly the slayer of the Night King is supposed to be male.) But it was already slated with Martin and the writers that Arya would be the one.
You can't satisfy everyone, I guess. lol
@@BudhagRizzo cope harder. No one cares about the actual ending, just the fact it was poorly and rushed season.
I still love Dany, though I am called a Dany hater on many blogs because of my inability to sugarcoat her actions, the scene you are referring to was the last straw I was grasping at in terms of believing whether or not she would go full Targaryen.
When she burned them, all the while calling Cersei a tyrant, I was speechless. Many people don't see this as crossing the line. When she burned the Tarly's, she had lost Dorne and Highgarden but Jorah, Rhaegal, Viserion and Missandei were all still alive. Dany may have been mildly irritated, I asked myself what would she do if she was really pissed?
I found out in season eight.
@@Steve-eh4db i think most people would've been more than fine with this ending if it was done well. instead it was rushed, the captivating thing about GoT was the sense of realism, character development and the show being clever. everything that pulled people in initially was betrayed and abandoned just so d and d could start working on their dumb star wars series a bit sooner...
I only know one thing. They deserve a medal called "biggest character butchering ever in a tv series" for those last episodes.
George has stated in the past couple of weeks multiple times that his ending will be very very different.
Too bad we’ll never see it 🤣
You think Georges is changing his ending after having 70% of the story written? All those dreams, buildups, foreshadowings, all in the toilet? Come on… the execution will be different, but the plot points will be the same.
IF he ever finishes the book he's been "writing" (supposedly) for YEARS now. Don't hold your breath....
"the showrunners met up with Georges for a couple of days to talk about his ending and what he has planned for the last two books. So, S6-8 are not from the books, as the books are not out yet, but it was still following what Georges told them for the ending. For example, Georges literally admitted that King Bran was from him."
He’s only “changing” it because of how people reacted to it
I was po'd at first with Jon's fate, then after contemplation and Jon's smile when leading the Wildlings North of the Wall, I think he may be in the best place he could be. The most liberated he ever felt in the series was his time living with the Free Folk. Plus his actions resulted in the actual Breaking of the Wheel...the hereditary monarchy in place since Aegon 1st. is gone. He never wanted to be King anyway. He and Ghost can live Free.
Yes, thank you. I can’t imagine a different ending to the show once I really reflected on it. Everything you said, 100%.
@@Hannakin_Skywalker My pleasure .. and thanks for the comment. Not everybody has been so agreeable when I've mentioned elsewhere my take on things. 😏
In a way it's very much, considering all their trials, The Triumph of the Stark Children. Bran gets to be the first non-dynastic King, Sansa gets to be Queen, Arya gets to be an explorer, and Jon gets to live free with Ghost amongst people who love him for who he is and not for his ancestry. I think my initial anger was more about my own expectations than anything. I mean I REALLY wanted to see Jon murk the Night King (at minimum) and sit the Iron Throne as King.
@@quentinmichel7581 It's way too much of a silly storybook happy ending. Bran in the show is the most dull, boring character imaginable. Sansa made almost every mistake possible, yet somehow ends up "Queen in the North" (lol ok), Arya just goes... sailing..., Jamie and Cersei just get dumped on by a bunch of bricks, Tyrion just walks around the entire last two seasons look lost and confused, fucking Bronn on the closed council? This is seriously the best they could come up with? It was an absolute trash ending that basically abandoned 90% of the entirety of everything they built up in all of the previous seasons. D&D specifically said they wanted to SuBvErT ExpEcTatIonS, and they most definitely did. By abandoning, rushing and ruining all the storylines in the entire show. The only thing I liked was the idea of Dany being Mad Queen, and that's simply because I believe it's where George is headed in the books, and love the idea of her being a mad Targaryen like her father.
Some fans predicted the ending based on the names of the direwolves. GRRM has said the ending is generally the same however there are more characters and plot lines in the books so of course there will be more. It will all make sense because he will expand on the why's behind the what's. He always said the ending would be bittersweet.
Jon - Ghost - Jon will end up like a "ghost" living a free and carefree life beyond the wall. He always said he never wanted power but people turned to him with their burdens.
Sansa - Lady - Sansa becoming a "lady" like she always wanted and ruling over a kingdom.
Rickon - Shaggy Dog - Rickon gets separated from family and has a lone existence.
Robb - Greywind - Dark existence and ending as if he is scattered to the wind.
Arya - Nymeria - Same as the Dornish warrior queen who sailed on many adventures and ended up sailing west never to be heard from again.
Bran - Summer The last book is titled Dream of Spring. What comes after a winter? Spring. Then a long summer indicating the long reign of Bran.
I think they nailed it. Cheers! Thanks for the memories!
You can add the names GRRM gave to the Stark kids : Sansa, Arya, Bran and Jon all have meanings in different cultures he didn't choose those randomly.
GRRM said he took some time on the names of the kids.
Sansa : Invocation, praise, charm, Queen and a small musical instrument you play.
Arya warrior princess / Queen, friend faithful, noble.
Bran - Raven
Jon - gift of god.
I don't know how many cultures he checked but they were meaningful.
Wow. That's really cool.
Love this !
Naw. I'd rather have the show ended good with missing pieces put together rather than make the stories synonymous to their wolves.
talk about trying to fit a square in a triangle!!!! the writers "dumb&dumber" ran out of source material and rushed to finish it ...those Disney dollars were caling....and fucked it up....story lines that went nowhere, info we got that didn't matter for the history at all.....and don't get me started on the train wreck that was "the long night'....the biggest threat to Westeros defeated in one night,not even one night...4 hours.....wtf was that,and "the prince that was promissed"???? what was the point of that???? they fucked up and everyone can see it.....
You have been one of my favorite GOT reactors so far🙂 Your reactions arent rushed, they're lengthy, but never boring. Its been good, take care man.
Thank you Major for this epic journey. I’ve seen so many GoT reactors but I can’t stress enough how entertaining and refreshing it has been to see your videos!
Despite the disappointment of the two last episodes I am so glad that you stuck it through all the way to the end. It’s bittersweet to see this end because it’s been a joy watching you. But at the same time, there is much more to look forward too. 3 days left until House of The Dragon premiers and I can’t wait for what you will bring to the table! Let’s gooo! 🔥
Regarding the books, around S3, the show realized that they would pass the books so the showrunners met up with Georges for a couple of days to talk about his ending and what he has planned for the last two books. So, S6-8 are not from the books, as the books are not out yet, but it was still following what Georges told them for the ending. For example, Georges literally admitted that King Bran was from him.
So, the books, if they ever get done, will probably have a very similar ending, but a very different journey to it since the books are way more big and have way more characters.
When Georges said Bran going to be the king I think he mean the night king. This make sooooooo much more sense.
Also, George and D&D had a big fight over the character of Cat Stark, which is why he left the show, so I don't think all the information he gave them was correct.
This is true and has been true ever since the show writers caught up and surpassed the source material (books). In recent news, however, a couple of weeks ago George himself has admitted that while the case has always been things would be fleshed out differently in the books than in the show, even if major destinations remain the same, that he is not confined to absolutes and even as he continues to write his final books, they are straying more now than before, from the show's ending 👀
It's funny you mentioned Elizabeth because Sansa's coronation is quite literally inspired by that of Queen Elizabeth I. Elizabeth wore her hair down during her coronation as a sign of purity, in open defiance to those who claimed the sexual abuse she suffered as a child "ruined" her. It's one of the only moments from the final season I genuinely liked. Even if the writing was messy, I was happy about that part.
I really enjoyed being on this journey with you dude! Been watching the reactions since season 2! Youve had a lot of great insights into the show, and a lot of great commentary on it as well. Its been awesome hearing your take on all the different intrigues in the show. Also, I felt the same when I first saw the ending. It feels weird and out of place, but that doesn't diminish the quality of all the other 7 seasons, of amazing, dramatic, cinematic, Game of Thrones. Anyway, cheers man, cant wait for the HOTD reactions!
TO LORD MAJOR, YOUR WATCH HAS ENDED! One of the best reactors and reactions to one of the best shows! (Even if we hate the ending) Super excited to experience House of the Dragon with fresh eyes alongside you!
"The only way to keep your people loyal is to make certain they fear you more than they do the enemy."
"I will remember, Your Grace," said Sansa, though she had always heard that love was a surer route to the people's loyalty than fear. If I am ever a queen, I'll make them love me."
"Once, she had loved Prince Joffrey with all her heart, and admired and trusted his mother, the queen. They had repaid that love and trust with her father's head. Sansa would never make that mistake again."
Yes I do understand why Sansa would be the last one standing instead of Dany and Cersei. It's interesting to see what GRRM will do since he said he's gonna go in a different direction from his old ideas, but ASOIAF has so many of these pointers on what the key difference between the three is. In the show Sansa's the one we see see actually ruling, meeting with the lords, taking care of the things that matter in every day life, like food, supplies, weather, etc. Undead Mountains and monstrous beasts inspire fear, not reverence. When you are being ruled by an iron fist, the cycle of revolt and suppression of that revolt is inevitable. Your downfall is in your ruling philosophy. The third quote is also a good directional pointer on how an eventual Dany Sansa relationship can go in ASOIAF if you think of another impulsive ruler in the place of Joffrey. The fact that their clash in the show was never a forced one. It was a foregone conclusion forged by their experiences and temperaments and reflected a bigger clash of the two irreconcilable regions. I feel the biggest shortcoming of this season wasn't some night king jon snow battle royale, it was not exploring this conflict in a more in depth level.
Honestly, Sansa and Daenerys were destined to clash because of their vastly differening ideologies. The fact that anyone expected them to get on tells me they really didn't pay attention to their arcs, then some go the misogynist route and try to downplay their disagreements to petty squabbles about love or looks.
@@roseofthegarden_ Can't agree more. The conflict was fated to be and it represented more than just them, it was the irreconcilable differences of two systems and two regions. There is a channel called Hill's Alive that has a video exploring the Dany Sansa conflict and I agree with everything it says.
Well said. Both of you.
This has been a journey! I’m so glad to have experienced this with you Major! I’m hoping you’ll react to ‘The Cast Remembers’ so you can appreciate the actors who were absolutely phenomenal and put so much work into these characters we love so much. Again thank you Major ❤️❤️
Do you think Drogon melted the throne because "If She can't have it, no one can" or did Drogon understand that her obsession over the throne is what got her killed. Maybe he always loathed the pettiness of it. That's how I always saw it.
Totally agree with you! I believed he burned down the throne because he saw what it did to her and ultimately lead to her death.
@@sarahw-k It seems as though that is why he melted the throne and not Jon. Because he blamed the throne for her demise and not Jon.
@@Jiambo or maybe he thought she sat on the pointy chair and one got accidentally lodged in the organ that pumps her blood? The chair had to die.
Lol, kidding. Dragons are repeatedly said to be very smart and complex creatures, so I’m also inclined to believe Drogon knew the power and allure of the throne is what ultimately killed her.
Some of y’all are just about as fucking stupid as David and Dan, my god. He’s a dragon not a philosopher or politician
@@Jiamboth…?😭dragons are beasts, bonded with their riders. Drogon killing Daenerys’ legacy rather than her actual killer is just bad writing. If they wanted us to believe he had that sense of reality and some degree of empathy outside of his brothers and dany, they would’ve introduced those themes earlier in the show. Jon 100% should’ve gotten murdered.
The inconsistencies ughhh... the size of her remaining army 🙄 the quick rush of her decline 🤦🏾♀️ Bran... what?! Jon having no damn purpose & basically saying "I don't want it" for 6 episodes... Tyrion falling off... plus a bunch of other stuff that made no sense. Now you see why so many of us were mad about this final season... also that's ash not snow... nevertheless GOT is still a great show. One of the best
I disagree with most that you say.
Her army, unsullied, was about a thousand strong in the end. Down to 12.5% from the 8,000 she had. You can literally count how many rows of unsullied were & how deep each line was. Press pause & count, 15 rows left of center & another 15 right of center, 30 deep = 900, another 100 on the steps. Far left & far right are not formations, just masses of other soldiers. Throw in about 150 Dothraki on horses in the background.
Her quick decline. In that limited time, she lost her right hand man, Jorah, her left hand woman, Missandei, 2 dragons that she considers her kids, Jon, Varys & Tyrion disobeying her wishes & conspired behind her back, all this in 8 episodes. In 68 episodes, she lost Drogo & Sir Barrister. Greyworm, only one left to trust. Not to mention her Targaryan background of inbreeding, with half of the Tatgaryans going mad & that she discovered that she is no longer the heir, after years of pursuing the Iron Throne.
Bran, was being groomed to lead in the pilot episode. He was the most in awe with the king coming to Winterfell. Mirrors Charles Xavier of the X-Men, the leader on a wheelchair, who has a ton of wisdom & knowledge, just like Bran has.
Jon's purpose was served. He wanted to go to the Wall. He wanted to be a ranger & not a servant, but learned from Sam that the Lord Commander hand picked him to be his servant because he see's something in him & is grooming him to be the next Lord Commander. The only title he coveted. Story lines are great, but it's about what the main characters covet, the demise in getting to what you covet or the reward in getting there. Jon never coveted to be king of Westoros, the fans wanted it for him.
Tyrion falling off. In sports there are dozens of coaches, rarely do coaches win 3 or 4 years in a row. So if they win 2 championships in a row & then never make it to the Championship for the next 5 years, it doesn't make them to be suddenly stupid. Where did it say that Tyrion had a monopoly on making all the right moves & that everyone else was stupid? In life, people make mistakes, despite being bright. Being bright doesn't mean you are always right. Sometimes when giving advice, it's the wrong advice.
The beauty of the GOT show, is that they didn't do things by the book. Not to be so predictable. If every fan knew exactly what would & should happen, it sort of defeats the purpose of watching the show. The bigger problem, too many people thinking they are the screenplay writers for the show & forgetting that they are not. The most important part, forgetting to be entertained, because you predicted a different ending.
Best show ever in my book. I refuse to look at the glass 5% empty, but 95% full. 2nd highest rated TV show on IMBD, voted on by millions of voters.
I agree 100 percent!
@@Steve-eh4db FACTS on FACTS!
@@Steve-eh4db I certainly didn't forget to be entertained. GOT is one of my all time favorite shows but as a viewer I am allowed to have an opinion on the show, to speculate, review & criticize. The last season was not perfect & had many flaws, not because it didn't turn out the way I thought or the way others thought but because it didn't align with things from previous seasons, things that were foreshadowed & whatnot. You're fine to have your opinion on the show though. If you saw no errors kudos to you and I'm fine to have my opinion
@@Steve-eh4db even if the show swayed away from predictability, the ending should still be good and sensible. And didn't George RR Martin once say you shouldn't sacrifice good storytelling for the element of surprise? Sometimes people are going to figure it out. You dont sacrifice the plot and the story because of it.
Thanks for your reactions. The journey was still amazing even if arriving at the destination wasn't the best. The only person I felt sorry for in the finale was Drogon. He lost his entire family by going to Westeros
Agreed. I cried every time a dragon died and that ending when Drogon is crying out when he finds his mother died wrecked me. I know it’s just a CGI character but they were my favorite part of the series
This has been a fantastic journey, shame how it ended, but still glad we got to go on it
It's been a lot of fun, Major, I really enjoyed watching with you. Your passion, enthusiasm, smarts, and insight into the characters, plot, and lore were thrilling to be a part of, even anonymously. Thanks for taking us along!
What a ride it has been! I'm so happy you stayed with it and continued watching, even though it didn't end the way I felt was best, at least they ended it I guess lol
You were amazing to watch during the whole entire series and the insight you had as well as following all the lore was great! Happy to see what more you will put out but can not wait to hear more about your thoughts on the full season 8. Thanks for being here!
That was my first thought as well when i saw Drogon burn the Throne, maybe he knew it was the Throne that corrupted Dany & wanted to destroy it but nope. The showrunners confirmed in multiple interviews that Drogon burning the Throne wasn't intentional, he was just upset & the Throne just happened to be there. D&D exact words when asked if Drogon burned the Throne on purpose were "No, he doesn't intentionally want to burn the Throne or jon, he just wants to burn the world cause he's upset but he doesn't want to hurt jon" end quote. I couldn't believe it lol
25:02 it wasn't snowing, it was ash
40:13 Jon belongs in the North though. He was happy when he lived with the wildlings.
People didn't like the ending but if you think about it. The Starks won. Bran is the king of the new 6th kingdoms, Sansa is the queen of the North, Jon is the leader of the wildlings, and Arya will own wherever land she discovers. It's "The Time of the Wolves".💪
Dany's vision was definitely snow though. I know this is hotly contested and people are happy to accept that her vision in S2 was actually ash, but there's icicles there at one point!! The sound too. It crunches like snow in the vision. Although having never walked through that much ash before I don't know if that makes a crunching sound or not.
It was ash AND snow. You can see the weather slowly turning throughout the episode.
DANY BROUGHT WINTER WITH HER! Winter is coming was HER, not the WW!
It was snow and ash.
And correct on the Starks, 8 in show, 6 pov characters 4 survived, a King/ old god, a Queen, a second King or at minimum 1000th LC and A world traveler.
Frankly I feel like I’m in the minority in that I was satisfied with the ending, and furthermore honestly expected Daenerys’ actions to some extent. I didn’t quite expect her to burn the WHOLE ASS CITY down, but I knew she would do something unredeemable, something that disqualified her as an ethical choice. Because whether people want to remember it or not, Dany has always chosen violence. She has always been standing on a hair trigger with only a small council of people to talk her down. Once she lost that council, once the only thing she had left was rage and vengeance and her last dragon, yeah. It was always gonna be fire and blood with her.
Bran is a boring choice, but like you said, he was a very logical choice. A true “neutral” in a world where the ambitious become the villains. Sansa got her queendom, Arya gets to roam and adventure, Jon gets to be free and peaceful with his good boi Ghost. What exactly would have satisfied all the people who hated the ending???
@@Hannakin_Skywalker Right? I've always wondered why people were so surprised by Dany's actions at the end, because I always disliked that slight tendency to violence of hers. And there are the mad king genes, too.
Seriously, man, I loved watching you take this journey. It was a great way to relive it. Thanks for taking the time and putting in the work to make these reaction videos!
Hey Mr. Major, I've had a lot of fun binge watching all of your "Game of Thrones" reaction videos over the last few weeks. It's an incredible journey! There will probably never be another show like it.
I remember watching the first episode you posted and was surprised to finally see a GOT reactor understand be able to follow the show so well. Ready to watch HOD and if you read the books and discuss each chapter.
What a journey this has been, thank you so much Major for your epicness.... I can't wait to watch your reactions on #HOTD
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Major, I have thoroughly enjoyed every moment of this journey with you. From episode 1 to the very last episode you've felt like family. Thanks for allowing us to take this incredible ride with you. And on we go to the next one! ❤️
Omg soooo I stumbled on your reaction on one of those compilation vids. And decided to watch all your reactions for GoT. And the roller coaster you took me on from your reactions was like watching it again for the first time. THANK YOU! SUBBED!
What Is Dead May Never Die. I enjoyed your reactions even if I knew the ending it was refreshing rewatching through new eyes. Looking forward to all future content bro bro! much love all.
I never had a visceral reaction against the anticlimactic mellowness of the finale. I thought it fit right in with the ambience. We've been conditioned by TV shows to expect certain things and anything not sticking to that format is automatically chalked up to the bin. But GoT always had a way of screwing with expectations, it was a bit too late to be dismayed. But how can you stand Bran on the throne? Hell no I didn't want Bran to be king lol, but I knew none of the main players were gonna end up on the throne either, and I was fine with that. I always thought it was gonna be Gendry or someone like that. As a House Lannister diehard I'm glad The Lions went out unbowed. I had no interest in seeing Cersei become dragonfood and Jaime dying while protecting her IS the most selfless thing he could do as a quote unquote good guy. I can't think of a happy ending for a tragic character like Jaime. I dig the post-apocalyptic ruinous dark new world look they went for. The eerie aesthetics of the ash'd out desolate looking throne room, with the Queen of the Ashes all alone and that haunting score playing, it always bring back a rush of emotions and memories for me. The montage in the end is very wistful too. The show was about the Starks. The Starks won. Both the Targaryens didn't. I don't have an issue with that. Some of the iffy shit they did to get to that point? Yes. But the destination itself? I'm fine with it.
Watching it again through this reaction being a diehard Stark fan and being unhappy the first time, I couldn't agree more with you now that this is actually fine.
Nah. Subverting expectations is no excuse for how crap this was. Sending Jon to Nights Watch? Bran not wanting anything, but taking throne because that’s why he made the journey? That’s just lazy writing. And since it WAS a tv show, you DO need to pay off the fan investment. If the show was going to end this way, it would have taken 2 more seasons of writing for it to make sense. It was crap. The world agrees. Critical Drinker wrote a far better ending in one of his vids.
@@correypeta bran took the throne out of Duty not because he wanted it , so he came all that way to fulfil that duty. That’s why when he appoints Tyrion as his hand and Tyrion says I don’t want it bran says “and I don’t want to be king either” meaning he is doing this out of necessity and duty. Writing here was just fine
@@tha_jet_king3537 "I could never be lord of anything" -Bran
@correypeta it seems like whenever people make this argument they forget bran sees and knows everything. He knew there was no more nights watch. He knew John would go live beyond the wall, more than likely as King beyond the wall. It’s the best ending for him honestly, he never wanted to rule and as Tormund said, remember, he has the north in him. The true north.
Thank you Major for experiencing this show through your eyes and thoughts💜
It's been a ride! Have a good one
So glad u kept the "uncle please sit" bit in the reaction, tbh it's my favorite scene in this episode, genuinely funny.
The producers rushed the last season for future projects (some of which fell through). The writer, George R.R Martin, stated that he had more content for several new seasons. And HBO seconded the notion of creating more seasons. However, the producers rejected the idea. Season 8 was terrible due to the lack of attention to detail and the derailing of good character development. Despite a terrible finale there is still some hope that the books will be the redeeming factor.
Well, I mean sadly I kind of blame GRRM for being such a SLOOOOOOW writer. Like, really how long has it been since the last actual book? Had he finished the books well before the HBO series was done, or at least one of the last two books he has planned, the show could have followed his story more closely and maybe filled out a few more seasons.
Dany's KL felt like the English winters as described by Bede or Chaucer. It's distressing but oddly serene too. I'm with the fire and brimstone apocalyptic vibe. Full "This what you wanted" energy. I always felt there was a strange beauty amidst all the carnage that the "good guys" subject the capital to. It's like waking up from a fever dream and realizing the place you've gotten so familiar with has turned into an evil winterland. Well, freedom is not cheap. Hollywood brains cannot process beyond "good guys come blasting in, not casualty, mission accomplished, top good guy become king".
when I found your channel, I recently binged the whole series. you spotted things I never saw, loved this journey
It has been a pleasure! Thank you for this journey, Major! Keep your fine spirit and good fortune in the reactions to come!
'I wanted to see Jon on the throne'
Damn, Major! This is not a power fantasy! This is a moral parable. Do the people who do good in the world always end up on top? Is the point of doing good and self sacrificing for the people you care about to get some reward at the end?
Jon did his duty. He saved the world and sacrificed everything to do it: had to kill his love, had to lose his honor, had to go back to the Watch.
He doesn't even get the self-satisfaction of a job well done as a part of him will always gnaw at him. Was he too rash? Could have Dany been persuaded to become more peaceful? Will the realm be better or worse now that Dany's project has failed?
If you want the sullen hero 'chosen one' archtype to end up on the throne, you can find it literally everywhere else in the fantasy genre.
I thought that every time Dany got burnt she came back less of herself. Closer to madness.
It was a form of magic and cheating in a way. That always exacts a cost.
I also think wanting the throne because you think it's owed to you - even though if the Targaryens had remained on the throne she would not have been in line indicated from the get go that she was no more "entitled" to it than Cersei. Along the way, she gained favor because she decides to free slaves. Of course that is a good thing. However, her sense of vengeance from the get go told me she was not a balanced person. She just had the literal fire power to live out her revenge fantasy. She turned around and used those freed slaves for her purpose in her new cult of personality. Compare how much she ever talked about her duty to her people, all her people to Sansa. Her disregard for how they would eat or make livings. Not saying she didn't care at all. Just that she is about conquering more than governing or ruling.
She was as problematic to me as Stannis using blood magic. It made her morally wrong to sit on the throne in the end.
ABSOLUTE FACTS
@@theConquerersMama exactly. Dany always chose violence.
John never wanted the crown! He said so over and over again. If we can believe Arya when she says, "That's not me.", why not John?
I watched your reactions of every single got episode... I want to thank you for this great time. I actually learned English with your reactions... Thank You🙏🙏🙏🙏
This has been a crazy journey! I found you and binged all of this series. I’m not going anywhere.
Thank you Major & Major Fam for making this so much fun!
Bran's the true villain in this whole series, y'all can't change my mind.
Been saying this
To me Bran was a villain. He could have used his power to let them know Cersei's plans. About the location and abilities of Cersei's ships that would of saved a dragon and Daenerys ships and Missandei. I don't think Daenerys would have went mad and killed the civilians.
You think Cersei was Bran's problem? Cersei was small potatoes. It was Dany all along. Whenever he looked at her it was with unmistakable dread. Imagine Bran helping Dany win the throne and Dany ending up pissed off somewhere further down the line when she has amassed far more power.
@@SerbAtheist Bran never needed to worry about Dany because he knew exactly how she would die... and that he would become king. That is why he never seemed afraid even when face to face with the Night's King. Everyone who died was by Bran's design so that he could take the throne.
@@grimtrix The discrepancy between Dany's vision in the House of the Undying and the ultimate appearance of the Throne room is highly indicative of the fact that these glimpses into the future are not perfect and do not curtail free will, so there is no indication that Bran can perfectly predict the future.
@@SerbAtheist I dont think there is any reason to believe that Dany's visions are anywhere near the caliber of Bran's... As Bran is actually the Three Eyed Raven by this point. I also dont think that really addresses why Bran, after a certain point, NEVER seemed worried about anything, even when face to face with the Nights King.
nobody cares about missandei...her and grey worm are hardly important characters in the books. they got too much screen time
First I wanna say I never understood the "chaos is a ladder" line until you said that at the end. Thank you!
I've followed your journey from the beginning, and I've enjoyed the hell out of your reactions. I will definitely miss this 😢
Thank you for letting us follow your journey. I'm sorry that you're disappointed with the ending. I enjoyed every moment
I loved the ending. How many times did Jon say “I don’t want it”. ? Sending him to the Knights Watch was actually a gift! He’s free and can live in peace. Sansa wanted the North so bad, never wavered! The North was steeped in tradition, they deserved to be ruled by their Northern born Queen. And Finally after all the madness and constant warring, Bran really was the best choice. He has no motives, no vendettas, no ego. His characters journey was this culmination. As far as Dani? Wasn’t it fun watching her get creepier and crazier?! Anyone surprised by that wasn’t paying attention.
Sansa and Theon had the best character arcs on the show imo
Only Theon had a character arc. Sansa effectively became another Cersei, betraying Jon yet again. She was an entitled spoilt brat at the beginning and despite all her trauma and lessons "learned" from arguably the worst people, she continued to stick to her ambition of being a queen!
I’ve watched so many reactions to this series and your reactions have been some of the best
Was great watching with you.
Cheers to you.
A lot of people misinterpret Tyrion relationship with Cersei. Yes she hates him, but she's been trained to by tywin and time and time again Cersei has had the chance to kill Tyrion and has not done so. the scenes they share early on highlight that though they are separated by hate for one another they do love each other.
Most emotional moment of the episode: Drogon crying over Danarys. That got me.
Thank you, Major, for the ride. You are really a great, great reactor.
We all had similar first reactions to Bran landing on the Iron Throne & that it belonged to Jon, the rightful heir. Until we took some time after it was all over to reflect on things. George's genius was not giving us the fairy tale ending, that we all concluded (Some still with the sour grapes, not letting go) would be. It was about what each main character coveted (Not what the fans of the show coveted) from the very start. Sort of like putting a jigsaw puzzle together. You start with the edges & everything falls into place easier. Sansa wanted to be a queen or princess. Arya wanted to be a warrior (Eyeballing The Hounds Armor). Jon wanted to go the Wall, there he didn't want to be a servant, but he lit up when Sam told him that the Lord Commander was grooming him to be his successor. That leaves us with Bran, the boy who climbed the walls of Winterfell to get a glimpse of the King coming. He was the one that was most enthused about it. He, so happens to be taking lessons on how to lead by Ned Stark himself. It is not a coincidence, that a boy bound to a wheelchair, who has great knowledge, ends up to be the leader. He was meant to mirror Charles Xavier of the X-Men, a man of great wisdom who is bound to a wheelchair too, who is the X-Mens' leader.
It was George RR Martin's ending for all the main characters, he had Bran pegged for the Iron Throne. This was written in stone BEFORE they even began shooting the show. The pilot episode foreshadowed where all the main characters that were left, would end up at. People got carried away with the blonde with her dragons & lost focus. She was not the main focus of the show. The focus of the show centered around a morally good family brought up the right way. They all went their separate ways after the pilot episode. But they still remained the main focus of the show, collectively, getting the most air time. Through trials & tribulations they endured, like all the great movies we have watched before, the good guys end up on top. Which is why the show's main focus started & ended up with them. There is no coincidence, that the stories & the visions in the early episodes of the show, are exactly to where the ladder 2 episodes came to be. Do you remember the visions & the stories, repeated over & over again throughout the entire show? George, after taking 12 years writing the next book, a book never released, just decided to scrub his entire ending for his books & might need another few more years to write a new ending. Why? To appease a minority who protest very loudly, wanting that fairy tale ending. Some people are spoiled & never satisfied, wanting to look at the glass being 5% empty, rather than being 95% full. GOT 2nd highest rated TV show on IMDB, decided by millions of voters, but the favorite in my book.
It was a pleasure to be a part of house major whenever you need to ring the bell for the battle of war it will be an honour to come for you💯👊❤️
If you ever wanna get back into the historical/fantasy genre I recommend watching The Last Kingdom on netflix. One of their must underrated shows that deserves more attention/reactions, I think you'd get invested into it. Glad i got to join you on the GoT journey!
Last Kingdom is the best.
Sansa was right to tell Tyrion about Jon. Because regardless of what Dany fans think, she would’ve killed him. Sansa didn’t make Dany go mad, she was already pretty violent but always had adviosors to help her find another way. With them dead, she gave into her instincts and slaughtered a city. That had nothing to do with Sansa, so she really doesn’t deserve the hate. Jon should’ve been king but he never wanted it, so it’s fair that it went to Bran. Sansa became Queen because she ruled the north gracefully while Jon was gone for all those months. And even when he returned and was only focused on Daenerys, she was focused on the North. She deserves it. And I don’t see Jon’s ending as sad, he’s with his friends and he’s free beyond the wall. He was always his happiest there, without labels and no burden to carry, just himself. I think everyone had a good ending except Sansa. She may be queen but she’s completely alone. Her family is dead or separated and all her advisors/trusted friends have gone to Kings Landing for Bran. She never really wanted to be queen, she just wanted her family together and safe. I loved how we see the montage of the starks and their future. Sansa & Jon were my favorite characters❤️
Probably one of the clearest and most fair summaries I’ve read yet. I have a tendency to get too deep in the specifics, or even digress from time to time.
This is been quite an enjoyable journey to go on with you. I’m probably the only one in the world that thought the ending was great. 😂😂😂
"If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention" -
I'm so dissatisfied with Jon's ending; he was the rightful king and got fucked out of everything by doing the dirty work, lost the woman he loved and got banished to exile because of the decision to save the realm:(
Definitely Jon and Danny did the dirty work for everyone specially Danny,Jon would had died without Danny and she lost her 1st dragon,Winterfell would been destroyed and ALL would had DIED without Danny,Bran knew what would happen once he opened that can of worms in saying Jon was the heir.He knew knew that's what makes me so angry he knew Danny would spiral out of control after losing everything and she did.Danny and Grey Worm lost all they knew.So that at the end Jon would still not be king but Bran the one that had said he didn't not even wanted to be the king in the north is the THE KING!! The 3 eye raven is supposed to be just that the 3 eye raven not KING, uurgggg this shit still makes me mad 🤬🤬
I think Jon’s ending is perfect. It’s as bittersweet as it can be. Yes, he’s getting punished even though he did the right thing, but that’s the realism of this story. And, this is Jon. If Bran says that his punishment is death, he would’ve put his head on the executioner’s block himself lol. That’s Jon.
But also, he ends up where he belongs. That’s the beauty of it. He doesn’t belong South. He doesn’t belong in King’s Landing trying to deal with politics and shit. He would’ve hated it. He belongs North, with Ghost and Tormund. That’s where he’ll be happy.
@@xXSinForLifeXx He was still done fucking dirty tho. By his family and by the realm.
@@xXSinForLifeXx He was the rightful heir tho🤨
@@xXSinForLifeXx yeah I guess so
Just want to chime in about Bran being king: Bran died in that cave, and he became The Three Eyed Raven. The Three Eyed Raven (what I think) is a consciousness that reincarnates into a vessel it chooses. It chose Bran. Here we get into book territory, but to keep it simple (because a lot is still unanswered in the books) Bran died, and The Three Eyed Raven, more accurately The Weirwood Network, became Bran. Before The First Men came to Westeros, it was a Network of Greenseerers and wargs, a hive mind, a whole network that was deeply connected to the Weirwood trees. The Weirwood trees are their Network. The First Men destroyed a lot of that and they were at war with The Children. Bran IS the Weirwood Network. GRRM confirmed that Bran will be king at the end of his saga, and it makes perfect sense. The Weirwood network survived and reclaimed its origin and home.I don't think Bran will sit on the Iron Throne, and I don't think there will be an Iron Throne. I think Bran will dwell in The God's Eye.
Congrats for hanging in there!
Thanks for sticking to it Major. Even with the bad ending the show is still one of the best imo!
They needed more episodes per season stating at season 5 - they could have made Danny's descent into madness an actual descent, not a sudden shift.
I had many theories and guesses as to how this would all end. And a lot of it was right. When Dany burned the city; I knew it was game over for her and knew she was dead. All I kept thinking was; ‘she is going to die’ and begging one of the characters to just do it already. So her death came as no surprise to me. But that didn’t mean I wasn’t upset with, what I felt to be, her terrible mad queen character development. I was counting on her becoming the mad queen, but the lead up to it was too rushed for me.
But imagine how Emilia Clarke, who thought her character would succeed, felt when she read her script. She had to take a long walk for hours to calm down. I understood her reaction.
The only thing I disagree with, is her annoyance towards Jon Snow “getting away with murder” ending.
I think; “Fool, he got away with killing a mad tyrant; your character went bad. Accept it.”
All in all; I can’t wait for your reaction to House of Dragons if that’s what you’re intending to watch also.
I already have a few annoyances at some changes like my main female character’s age, etc; but I’m still stoked. :)
I read somewhere she didn’t know she went mad but just burned the red keep and wildfire went off accidentally killing the people of kings landing. Even the vfx team said it changed to drogons fire for some reason on the blu ray commentary. So her going mad wasn’t the original script Emilia read but something the creators did at the last minute.
@@ACinemafanatic Well, if you read the books, the Wildfire being set off accidentally by the dragons is what is being foreshadowed. It'll likely be during a fight between Dany and a fake-Targaryen, who got cut out of the show, name Aegon, at the end of Book 6 is my guess. (If GRRM still sticks to his 7 Book series idea.) And yeah, Emilia Clarke had *zero* idea Dany "goes mad" and just kills people when she was filming. It wasn't in the script. She didn't find that out until she actually *watched* the final episode with a group of fans that that is how they did it. The original script, which you can find in the Writer's Guild Library, says the Dragonfire sets off the wildfire and THAT is what burns the Red Keep and Kings Landing down. They changed it in post-production because Jon stabbed Dany over what amounts to an accident is all types of sh***y. (Jon'll probably stab her in the books for a WHOLE DIFFERENT REASON related to the White Walkers/Long Night. The first long night ended after the hero stabbed the love of his life, named Nissa Nissa, through the heart to ignite a special sword he crafted).
@@cbrownjc7633 also this is probably the reason Jaime will go back to King’s Landing in the books, not to go back to Cersei but because he knows about the mad king’s hidden caches of wildfire and he’ll want to warn Tyrion to call off the dragon attack because he knows the dragon fire will set the wildfire off.
Enjoyed accompanying you in this journey. Great reactions. Ty
What an amazing journey with you! Thanks for such great reactions Major! Looking forward to what comes next! ❤️🇨🇦
When Tyrion says "sometimes duty is the death of love" flipping Master Aemon's line on its head, that was brilliant. Jon's situation was exactly like Ned's.When Varys said "What of your daughter's life my lord?", that was the parallel to when Tyrion reminded Jon of his sisters. Ned made the wrong choice & lost his head, Jon made the right one. All this wasn't done for shock value, they did have a clear vision. Jon killing Dany in the throneroom is disturbingly picturesque. Straight out of some renaissance romance story of love and perfidy. They paid off Dany's vision of the destroyed Throne Room from S2. They showed Bran's vision of dragon over King's Landing. King's Landing was gonna burn, no ifs & buts and it wasn't gonna be due to some Godzilla vs King Kong gOoD GUys vs eViL qUeEn fight. Dothraki loyalty ends with the death of the Khal. They're aimless savages after that. The Unsullied have no reason to fight the combined Kingdoms when they don't have a paymaster anymore. Jon can kill Dany "easily" as he is the only one who can get past the dragon. Jon sacrificing his crown is the story they've told all along, he is the anti-liberator, he is not blinded by his own righteousness & the worship of the masses. Who gets mad for a cringey Greyworm vs Jon Mortal Kombat 1-v-1 fight. For what? Just so honorable gOoD gUy Jon is force fed on the throne with sunshines and daisies hereafter? In a show whose motto is "if you think this has a happy ending you haven't been paying attention"?Bet.
Dany proclaiming herself the freer of men women and children while standing on heaps of bodies of men women and children as the ominous filming nail the fact that this regime will be a tyranny far greater than the tyrant it has replaced, is uncannily relevant to current times. The speech is exactly the same speech Drogo gave in S1. It's the same legendary speech Dany gave to the Khalesars in S6. She didn't change, your perspective has. You're seeing the consequence of those words when acted out. Maybe you shouldn't blindly put your faith in demagogues in the first place. The reality is Dany was always gonna go off the rails without Jorah or Barristan to counsel her. This wasn't Dragon Lady Bad Overnight, there's about 15 different episodes of her counsels begging & pleading her not to commit mass slaughter. If that wasn't hint enough all there was left to do was to knock the self-denial out of the viewer with a frying pan. People even manage to act surprised that the Dothraki pillage, Northmen commit atrocities! If you're mad that dUh gOoD gUys didn't get the chance to heroically vanquish dUh eViL qUeEn Cersei & give you a satisfying end, then good. Real wars rarely have satisfying desensitized endings. Didn't George just say he had the set pieces and final conclusions envisioned in his head for many years but he has to write, re-write, evolve with time? That's an indirect acknowledgement this was his baby. Casuals didn't care for books. Their gut punch was they couldn't believe the show would have the audacity to make them feel stupid for putting their faiths in the hands of demagogic "liberators" & not being able to enjoy NPC mass slaughter as they're forced to feel bad for the likes of Jaime, who btw had a better full circle any happy go lucky ass ending would've done for his character.
So in the end, whoever desired power or felt that they were entitled to it like say Dany, Cersei, Stannis, Littlefinger, Joffrey, Roose and Ramsey Bolton etc. probably met with an abrupt and bloody end in this show. And make no mistake, Dany felt like the 7 kingdoms were her's since season 1. That's why people who don't want to rule always make the best rulers!
Yes, and then some fans, the kind of people that lionized some of these throne seekers, become viscerally mad that the likes of Sam and Brienne survived the Long Night.
@Ali Chaudhry Not even gonna dignify this with an answer. In a typical action and fantasy movie about a 100 or so things happen that the main protagonists should have never survived. For example, Legolas and Gimli casually waltzing around and trading jabs during big battles as if they are on a croquet match. But Sam, Brienne and Jaime surviving the Long Night is the 'big problem' and a sign GOT has 'lost all logic.' Hah!
@@SerbAtheist The biggest problem isnt that they survived, the problem is the episode showed them in mortal peril several times that episode, but instead of showing how they got out of an impossible situation without dying they just cut away to a different scene then they were miraculously alive and well like nothing happened. That makes no sense what so ever. And if you're honest with yourself, there is no chance they're surviving those scenes they were in any logical way.
@@DaeLh LOTR shows the Fellowship being in mortal peril literally hundreds of times. For example, you think a single-digit number of plucky heroes, half of which have little to no fighting prowess is not in a mortal danger against an entire batallion of enemy soldiers. Yet they die by the dozens scoring but a single kill. Go ahead and tell me this is even remotely realistic. But this is not a problem for you.
The reason is that you consider this bit of editing such a huge issue is that you don't consider Sam and Brienne to be protagonists, but side characters, when in reality they are the main characters when it comes to the future of the Realm, both working tirelessly and unglamorously behind the scenes with courage and integrity. So the 'sin' of editing to the extent to which it even exists is of the mildest form and you'd have never even noticed it if it weren't against characters you thought were expendable.
@@SerbAtheist San literally got bum rushed to the ground numerous times by the dead yet the worse fighter in the show survives? Yeah that's really believable.
I honestly loved that Jon didn’t become king. I mean that’s what was to be expected but if you really think about it, beyond the wall is where he was the happiest
Major! The end of a long, incredible journey my guy. You are still by far, the best GOT reactor out there. Excited to watch you on new adventures!
Initially, I was pissed about Jon's fate, Major. But now, it's my favorite. Jon never wanted a throne; never wanted accolades, riches, or power. He would have been utterly miserable in King's Landing. Now, Jon returns to the one place he fit in. Like Tormund told Jon: "you have the North in you. The REAL North." Bran likely saw Jon's past with the Wildlings, and sent him to a place he can truly be happy. Now in hindsight seeing him ride off with Tormund and Ghost, I think it's the perfect ending for him as a character.
One thing I really didn't like?? How the hell would the Ironborn agree to stay a part of the Kingdoms? Didn't make sense to me.
As far as George RR Martin, he did give some of his eventual ending points to the showrunners for these final seasons; so some of what we saw IS what is planned for the books. But it sounds like a huge chunk will indeed be completely different. Will be interesting to see how the two differ!
Cheers bro! See you in House of the Dragon!
“I think the final scene between Jon and Daenerys is something we came up with sometime in the midst of the third season of the show. The broad-strokes of it, anyway. But there was a tremendous amount of pressure to get it right ’cause we know that this is not a scene that’s giving people what they want.”
About Martin being okay with this ending, it is said that the idea of Bran being the king came from him. that's the only thing. Apart from that, he said recently that he wasn't a part of the final seasons and when asked why, he said "ask the showrunners". About the Dany and Jon ending, the showrunners admitted it was their idea. About the ending in the books, he is finishing the last chapters for some of the characters THIS week, on the second to last book, so he might end it in the next months hopefully. He said the more he writes, the more the ending gets different from the ending of the show so that's good news. About Jon ending beyond the wall, he went back to the only place he ever felt loved and respected so that's definitely not the worst part
Great journey my man. Loved rewatching the whole thing with you. Now, let's watch HotD 🐲🐉
Thank you for sharing your experience with everyone. 100% my favorite reaction to this show.
I found you by your GOT reactions, Major. And yes, I figured you'd start feeling this way around Episode 5 of this season. I mean, I did. But it was still a lot of fun. I looked forward to this every week with you. I wish it ended better.
I love when reactors don’t hate the later seasons so the people who are overly negative don’t get the satisfaction of someone agreeing with them. 😂😂😂
Whenever i think back to how i felt when i watched this episode, the overriding feeling i had was just... empty. I didn't think seeing her die would leave me totally emotionless but it did. By that point i had given up caring who got the throne
What a show! Enjoyed every season 1-8 especially upon rewatch and reflection. Thanks Major for your reactions on this epic journey
It was fun watching you go through this series. Great reactions, man.
Yep, we literally saw every damn Dothrakis being wiped out in Winterfell like 45 seconds ago. 😅
Also, I always find it funny how Arya says "I know a killer when I see one". It's like, no shit genius, she just burned thousands of people alive, we all know that she's a killer by now🥴
Holy crap, The Bells and this episode hurt every time. I can’t reconcile the way they ended this series with the overarching story. Just need to hope the last books end in a more bittersweet and satisfying way.
If it does then he changes his ending and loses respect.
I mean the books are a lot different he’ll season 6 is actual an awful mess of a story but the visuals are great and seeing the starks finally winning is good.
You have truly been a blessing to watch this series with Major! You've made me laugh and cry right along with you, this is the most fun I've had watching GOT reactions and I've watched way more GOT with you than any other reactor. Thank you for the laughs and the tears, I'm gonna to watch your HoTD and Harry Potter videos now!
In one of your first episode reaction you were so excited and I commented, wait till you see season 8
Dany was my QUEEN and I had the same thoughts as you. She was my favorite from season 1. My fiancé would argue with me saying she showed signs of madness in previous seasons…but she helped and wanted to save people, not kill for no reason. Jon’s story was for nothing, all that Dany did was for nothing and the way Cersei died was SO AWFUL! After the epic things she did good and bad, they kill her from a pile of rocks. This amazing series ended in such a fail and disappointment. Glad to watch your videos, and to be along for the ride. Now time for The House Of The Dragon!!
You're fiance is 100% right, she trusted no one and did her own thing 99% of the time.
'but she helped and wanted to save people, not kill for no reason.'
Fun thing about making violence and brutality your modus operandi is that you can always find a good reason to kill someone.
*"Jon’s story was for nothing, all that Dany did was for nothing and the way Cersei died was SO AWFUL! After the epic things she did good and bad, they kill her from a pile of rocks."*
So in other words.. it's just like real life. Wondrous stories that go nowhere.. great deeds that end up being for nothing.. and justice is never served. Welcome to reality.
I wouldn’t say NO one… she did trust people until they wronged her. She killed people that did harm and saved those who didn’t. I would understand if her story line wasn’t so rushed at the end.
Enjoyed watching your reactions. Every time I find a new watcher that's really enjoying the show, I cringe for them, because I'm like I'm going to hate it for them once they get to the end of season 8. It's funny, watching some reaction channels off and on, starting in like season 6 I'll see some watchers notice some things like last second kills and they're like "Ok, that was a little conveniently timed" and then as the seasons go on it just grows more and more until season 8 everyone's like "What the hell is going on right now?" I guess I can say that almost everyone else in in this same boat. Everyone wanted it to end better, but such is life. Just have to hope House of the Dragon can come through.
Just finished binging all your GoT videos and now I'm sad, LOL. It was so much fun, despite not getting to watch them in real time. Looking forward to watching your HotD reactions once I check out the show myself.
I am so glad to have gone on this journey with you major. I am happy we were able to see these characters conclude their stories in the way they did. Jon became King in the North and Dany sailed West to kick Cersie's ass. I'm sad the show ended on such a cliff hanger but the watch was worth it, as all the character arcs ended on a decent note. Totally no such thing as a Season 7 or 8.
All joking aside, your watch has now ended, Winter Wolf. Thank you for such an in-depth intellectual commentary on this show. Keep doing what you do.
"This is bad writing" I say, while tilting my fedora, and letting everyone know my idea of good writing is Jaime creeping up on Cersei to stab stab stab her before taking his face off to reveal everyone's friendly X-Men Arya Stark; and Dany Potter being flown on a dragon's back straight to the iron throne to rule happily ever after, while everyone punches the air in ecstacy as their revenge quota gets a check mark 🤮. The massive cringe aside, does anyone think the mood of this episode was conducive to scenes like that? Was the tonal direction of the show ever headed towards that when the opposite was being telegraphed since Sam and Jon's conversation in the Crypts? How are these dudes gonna criticize the writing when they can't even interpret the tone? I have seen dudes waiting for a random Greyworm Jon fight on some "how can a show end without a good conquers evil fight sequence" right up until the epilogue! Even when Brienne is writing Jaime's chapter they expect a fight coming!! How you think it was pulled off is a matter of subjectivity, but there was enough buildup, enough pointers about Dany's ruling style leading to catastrophe. From the balcony of Meereen with Barristan to Dragonstone. People just refused to see it.
They ruined our khaleesi 😭
P.S. yes I know her fate was inevitable but they didn’t even give her enough story and development to fully flesh out her madness. It wasn’t earned
They ruined everyone.
I agree. Having her make a face isn’t a journey into madness.
@@kerryknight228 and if it wasn't for her incredible acting, it would be much worse
lol, the show has a lot of hints about her being a psycho since S1
@@xAVErRvISCARRa yeah but the main story isn't the show
Damn its crazy to see you finish the series, glad I found your channel through these and can't wait to see your reactions to HOTD!
It was epic to take this ride with you Major. Ended the only way a show like this could...in a manner that was different than the feel-good endings we have grown acustom to. GRR wanted to do 10 seasons, I believe, to help flesh out Danny's fall. It felt rushed in this way for certain. Other than that, the books are so much different. I wanted Jon to be King too. Pretty much wanted all the same things/had same thoughts/reactions you did along this journey. It's been a pleasure, Major!
This entire ending was overwhelmingly corny and "feel-good" though, that's what was so jarring imo. All the main characters left got the best possible endings they could. I wanted Jon to be King too but he was the happiest when he was North of the wall where he ended up, Sansa is Queen of The North, Arya off doing whatever she wants I guess, Bran the literal King of Westeros, Tyrion the King's hand which he has proved more than once to be terrible at, all the "evil" characters and threats are defeated, it's only the good guys left living their best lives! This is a sugary sweet feel-good ending with everything wrapped up in a pretty bow like a fairy tale (except the giant gaping plot holes left open but whatever). It just felt so forced and contrived because nothing leading to it felt earned or made much sense. If Dany's turn was done well and given more time I could've accepted the journey and enjoyed the happy ending but because that character (and many others tbh) were done so dirty to make the endings happen it felt so flat. It was just so disappointing how the producers rushed and frankly, butchered this story.
Yup this is what they did to our Dragon Queen
She didnt do it, the writers made her do it.
Good journey, Major.
As far as the SHOW goes, from what I have read, watched and reviewed, it still seems that even years later, the masterstroke everyone has missed is one word.
Bloodraven.
so happy to have experienced this with you!! cant wait for house of the dragon, much love to u major!