Game of Thrones Season 8 Episode 5 Reaction! - The Bells
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@Jim O'Donnell who are you talking to?
Think about it, 2 of her "children"/dragons died, her husband drogon died, the only other man she loved betrayed her, she felt her only dream was threatened by Varys, her best friend Missandei died. Everyone she trusted betrayed her. She was alone. She is, the Mad Queen...
Primate, when people say they don't like these episodes, they're not talking about the cinematography or entertainment value. It's the decisions of the characters aka the writers.
Daenerys turn was fine but it was done too fast
@@DC3328 Not really much of a turn... but you're right... it was much too fast.
@Google User Exactly. You can't have 70 episodes of Dany showing that she is very different from her father but then the final 3 episodes say "dANy iS ThE mAD qUeeN"
There were actors who were also disappointed with the writing in the last season. HBO and George RR Martin wanted more seasons to finish the story right, but D&D wanted to finish it up and move on to new projects.
@@TimWing23 did d&d have some kind of special contract? Why didn't HBO replace them?
I can't help but compare the death of Littlefinger and Varys.
One died on his knees, begging for his life. The other died, standing up for what he believed and accepted his fate.
Baelish's death was trash
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Sansa playing Baelish was prob one of the only things I liked about season 7 because there was enough shown for me to believe it. When Sansa watches Brienne and Arya train together, Baelish is standing next to her and I can assume this is where he first gets the idea. Then he spends the rest of the seasons patiently nurturing that seed, gently nudging the idea, but never flat out saying “Arya is a threat” until the scene where he says the “sometimes when I’m trying to understand a persons motives-“ bit. Then Sansa is certain that he’s trying to divide them from there. She starts pretending to be “in his pocket”, ordering Brienne away from her and taking his counsel left and right again. Sansa doesn’t trust anyone anymore; it didn’t bother me that she didn’t confide in Arya or Brienne while turning the tides against Baelish, especially Arya whom she hasn’t seen in years. She (Sansa) believed that she could outwit one of the cleverest people in Westeros without anyones help… and she did.
I’m not saying you have to enjoy it as much as I do, I’m just explaining myself. It didn’t feel nearly as out of left field as some of the events to come in season 8, at least to me.
@@TheRedcat14 It was completely unrealistic and badly written. Arya never want to be a princess. It was easy to see even from his point of view. She is a pure tomboy. Also all the made up conflict between the two, Baelish was not in the room so it was pointless to have them be in a made up conflict. Also it was stupid on Sansa to send Brienne away JUST AFTER Baelish said to her to keep Brienne close to protect her against Baelish, it gives him a clue. Then there was the Scoobe Doo reveal, YOU are the bad guy! lol And the trial which was a real joke. He could have easily destroyed their cases ten times over he is so smart, he would have had ten plans to get himself out for if such a thing would happen. The guy has many spies everywhere on Westeros(and Essos).
The Worst of all of this is that the Baelish written by GRRM would NEVER wasted his time on Sansa and Arya. He has larger plans. By Season 7, it was evident that D & D wanted to get rid of Baelish quickly and he just sat around doing nothing other than pitting two girls against each other for no reason. Baelish was the Game of Thrones but these two bozos did not have the imagination to give him good material.
They simply did not understand Baelish. When they have Baelish say "I see myself on the Iron Throne and you buy my side" to Sansa it's evident that D & D completely misunderstood the real Baelish of the early seasons. Baelish is smart to understand that power lies in the shadows where he's the best at. The actor Aidan Gillen even said that very thing that the Throne doesn't interest him. So he got Baelish more than the writers.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 “Arya is a tomboy” are you saying this to discredit the fight scene? Because the only reason I mention it; Petyr sees what she’s capable of here, he can now say “she’s a physical threat to you”. (To Sansa).
“Baelish wasn’t in the room so it’s pointless”, I’m assuming you mean Arya and Sansa arguing about the letter Sansa wrote. This wasn’t acting. Arya wasn’t in on the plan against Baelish yet; only Sansa. Sansa wasn’t about to risk her plan on Arya’s ability to “act angry with her”. Arya is actually angry.
Sansa sends Brienne away because she knows this will put Petyr at ease. Brienne has been outspoken against him from the moment they meet onscreen, and she’s been Sansa’s closest council.
And the “scooby doo moment” was Sansa getting him in front of a crowded room of people who know his past actions, so he can’t squirm his way to freedom through lies. (Just as he tries to do, “your aunt was a troubled woman”, “I’ve cared for you since you were a child”, “if we could just talk alone”.)
I thought maybe you’d bring some points to the table
@@TheRedcat14 "Are you saying this to discredit the fight scene" lol no I mean looking at her nobody would think she would want to be a princess like Sansa. So it doesn't make sense how Baelish would ever think that Arya want to be Sansa. I remember him saying to Cat that he had Arya and she was "as wild as ever". And he knows Sansa knows Arya and there's no way Sansa would believe that.
Arya and Sansa were arguing all the time even after the plan was in motion. And there was nobody to see it.
Sending Brienne away won't put Baelish at ease since he's the one who suggested that Brienne should protect Sansa. If I'm Baelish, I'm actually start questioning it.
About the Scoobe Do moment, I understand why Sansa did it, just that the way it was written was corny as Hell. It was....you Lord Baelish! Now take off your mask. The trial following that was bad because Sansa had no way to prove anything. So they killed someone without proof. I wished GRRM would have written it and we would have seen a competent Baelish being defeated fair and square and but a lot of Sansa's accusations were actually easily beatable. Like for instance she talked about Baelish pushing Lysa. But Sansa at the Vale told that it's Lysa that jumped. Baelish could have easily said "but she jumped, you said it yourself, Sansa. Do you mean that you lied?". Even Bran talking about Baelish betraying Ned, there is no proof. I bet none of these people even believe that Bran has powers.
“A Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing” was an expression of maester amens empathy and sorrow at the thought of his family being alone and isolated from one another. It didn’t mean alone targaryeans are terrifying and insane. It was not meant to foreshadow dany going crazy. Anyway dany was more alone than ever at the beginning of the show and it was when she was the most innocent, gentle and moral.
Everything in the show all the way up until the last 3 episodes showed that Dany was not going to become like her father. Sure, she had some controversial ideas about justice but there's a major difference between killing slave masters and innocent children. But then the last 3 episodes decided that "actually, yeah, Dany is one of those bad Targaryens" and completely destroyed her character
grrm has done plenty of double meanings in his writing before, this included.
@@hu4921 yeah I feel like in the books you can see her progress toward this ending more clearly because of her internal monologue. Every decision she makes is a little further from the morals she originally held, but she keeps reminding herself, “if I turn back, I am lost.” I think about everything that she’s been through up until now, and how she knows that if she always spares the innocent, people will continue to use that against her. I am in the camp where I think the last season was too fast paced, but I wasn’t totally surprised she made this choice.
@@josephwantock1993 That's not true, it was always clear that she had trouble controlling herself when she was in a position of power. It was very evident that something changed in her since the death of her brother, if it had not been for Tyrion she would have completely destroyed another city before
@@auskarionsama No. In season 7, she said she did not want to destroy King's Landing because she did not want to be Queen of the Ashes. Sure, she got upset once and threatened to destroy the Red Keep but that's it. That's far from wiping out the entirety of King's Landing and killing thousands of innocent children in the process (something that Dany would've never done prior to the last 3 episodes for...some reason)
varys stayed true to the realm, his character never changed.
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This gona be fire to watch with him. After that BCS
most overrated show
@@musicmashup9597 Yessir 👍
Breaking Bad shows you how to end a great show not on the decline but with the final episodes actually getting even better and better until the end. This happens when you have writers who understand the characters and a creator like Vince Gilligan who wasn't a hack. I've never seen a show end as strong as BB.
HE STARTED BREAKING BAD??? FINAAALLYY
the idea that jon should have to keep his real identity a secret from everyone, including his own family, just so that dany can have the throne is insane to me. if the people don't want you to rule after knowing THE TRUTH perhaps you should just listen to them lmao
Exactly, especially since Sam and gilly were the first to find out (not including bran). 2 people knowing vs 10 people vs 100 people, doesn’t matter. When a secret is out, it’s out.
The thing is, we tend to sympathize with Dany because the Lanisters are awful, and there's this threat beyond the wall. But she doesn't know nor care. The 7 kingdoms could be super peaceful, ruled by the best king that's ever been, she'd still show up with dragons and start a war because she feels like it belongs to her. From season 1 she's been like that, not a bad person but with a high opinion of herself and her name, and not bothered by the cost thousands are going to pay on her path.
Amen
primates reaction to the horse being a sign of symbolism was everyones reaction. "what the fuck why is there a horse here?"
Dothraki
The Tyrion Jaime goodbye hug hurts the recesses of my heart. Not often I feel that much pain for a fictional character. When Arya says "Sandor, thank you" too. The sick knot in the stomach feeling I get in that second before the Hound prepares for the death plunge with his brother when you already know what's about to happen. And that breathtaking imagery of Arya in the end covered by soot and ash in the middle of a funeral like silence. Makes me shed a tear always.
Varys: Conspiring behind the Crown's back for decades.
Nothing happens.
Varys: Conspiring 1 hour against Daenerys.
Woops.
Because they made Varys stupid and not caring about safety in this episode.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Exactly. By season 7 literally every character becomes extremely dumb. Tyrion is a disaster making decisions as a Hand, Varys a trusting fool, Jon can only repeat 'I dun wannit' or 'Shes muh kween', Sansa and Arya two ungrateful idiots etc etc
Because in the old court everyone knew Varys was a snake but they still kept him around for the intel he gave, which he even told Tyrion was his one genuine product he could offer whoever was ruling KL and would never have any intention of compromising on. Dany on the other hand does not need intel, only obedient drones.
@@SerbAtheist she didn't need conspirators, she said what would happen if he did
@@SerbAtheist "Only obedient drones"...? Huh? Dany is one of the only rulers on the show that listens to her advisers over and over again. Particularly in these final seasons they give her awful advise that loses her her allies, navy, and several dragons. She tries with peace with Cersei which was a fools errand. She does that idiotic strategy that Tyrion puts forth to capture a wight which costs her a dragon. She fights the White Walkers instead of taking out Cersei, saves Winterfell and honestly all of Westeros and the North still treats her poorly
Here’s my take on it. I agree with the choices they made in the show I completely understand why and the reasons behind it, but it felt rushed. It felt like this could’ve been wrapped up in a couple more good seasons but instead the decisions felt forced and rushed. That’s my only complaint, it felt rushed.
I used to hate Sansa, and Dany was one of my faves for the first st 4 seasons as well, but ever since the crucified of the Masters in Mereen. her true colors started to show, even if her intentions were good. Plus I'm sick of hearing that Dany didn't have to save the North and Sansa should be grateful because even if Dany went straight to King's Landing the Army of the Dead would've killed everyone else anyway.
@@carriesmith742 Exactly! Dany *had* to save the north, because it actually meant saving the continent (and herself too).
7 should’ve ended with the long night. 8 should’ve been a longer version of the events that played out. Even if 8 is shorter and only like 7 episodes they could’ve built the mad queen arc a little more and it wouldn’t have felt so quick to happen
@@carriesmith742 That’s not the point. The point is we seen how easily it took for her to take Kings Landing. She could’ve seriously taken Kings Landing and THEN go to the North. There was no siege or anything needed when she overtook it, which is so ridiculous in itself. If she overtook it with ONE dragon, imagine how easy it would’ve been with THREE.
@@stearinlys Right, but all that time while they were planning, she could’ve easily taken KingsLanding like she did in Season 8. She overtook KingsLanding with ONE dragon, now imagine if she had all three.
Bran is the true villain here as much as Daenerys is. He could have prevented this from happening, he knew Daenerys is gonna go mad but he didn't bother telling her or anyone. If you look closely at his visions in Season 4 and 6, you can see Drogon's shadow flying in King's Landing just like in this episode which means he already saw the burning of King's Landing. Bran allowed multitudes of people die just so he can be king. If that's not evil, I don't know what is.
I kind of took it as this was the sequence of events that HAD to happen for the greater good, and that him warning anyone would have led to an even greater downfall (like in avengers endgame when Tony asks strange if the final battle was the 1 time he saw in his vision where they won, and strange replies with something like “if I tell you, it won’t be”)
I don't think that was the future he saw....I'm pretty sure the vision was old like during Aegon's Era or something
He didn't see everything. We didn't know the extent of his powers. He was like the Red Woman, he could only see glimpses and there was probably things preventing him from actively changing what might happen.
@@kaleabmelkamu3894 Maybe but that looked like the exact shadow.
@@kaleabmelkamu3894 when aegon first conquered Westeros Kings landing had not been built and once the Targaryen dynasty was established they had built the dragon pit to house the dragons to limit the number of potential deaths so its almost certain that it was Daenerys.
I really appreciate that you're one of the few people who sees reason for Dany's break. Execution and rushed timeline aside, she's arguably suffered more loss than any other character on this show. The comparison to Anakin's fall from grace is spot on too! I've always thought of it that way and was always surprised no one else ever mentioned it. Loved your reaction series to Thrones bro!
ladies and gentleman, the nail in the coffin that was the series known as game of thrones.
Lmao Still mad that dany is bad
a k that shouldn’t be the reason you’re mad
@@ak86db Emilia Clarke is pretty bad. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@ak86db everyone and their nan knew she was going to be mad, but not in this lousy way
7:45 That shot gave me chills back when I saw it truly 10/10 with Drogon coming out of the darkness.
it was really good 😊
Well Dany knew that Cersei used innocent ppl as human shield. But at the point where Dany lost everyone she loved, she just lost herself with anger and revenge. She wanted to show Cersei that the Kings landing will first burn so that Cersei sees that Dany is coming for her. Plus Missandei's last will was to "burn them ALL".
Saying that Dany's genocidal actions were foreshadowed because she stood up against an abusive brother or slavers is like saying I caused climate change for eating some chocolate. I kinda see the point but it's a stupid point.
There's a drastic leap between what she's done throughout the show up until season 8 and what she did here. And if she really was destined to madness, so are Arya "Frey-pie" , Ned "beheaded-a-man-who-tried-to-warn-me", Jon "Hanged-a-boy", Sansa "the-dogs-are-hungry", Tyrion "I-wish-I-had-enough-poison-for-all-of-you" , and others who never went crazy despite doing some horrible things and saying horrible stuff.
Dany has killed innocent people before. She killed Varys for trying to expose the truth, hardly a crime. She feed masters to her dragons in that dungeon even though she had no proof they commit a crime. She crucified every master without bothering to find out who's decision it was to crucify the slaves. She threatened to burn Qarth to the ground for turning her away, again not a crime. Every person you listed killed someone or threatened to kill someone that actually committed a crime.
@@robertwalker1001 Tyrion threatened to poison all of King's Landing. The deserter from Night's Watch had a very good reason to run away, it was only solved many seasons later. And even if every Frey Arya killed was involved in the Red Wedding, you still think it wasn't insane of her to bake them into pies?
Being a slaver is a crime, depending on who you ask. I'm not going to argue that Daenerys handled the situation perfectly with them, but either way it doesn't logically follow to burn random civilians and not even Cersei.
Also, how did Arya know all the Freys were involved? Did she do more investigating than Dany off-screen? Varys didn't deserve to die but that was already season 8.
@@robertwalker1001 The point about Varys is mute cause it's from the same episode lol. But her completely destroying King's Landing is where the character assassination comes full circle. Destroying the city (a city that surrendered) killed thousands of innocent children and that's something Daeneryes would've never done until the last couple of episodes. She once locked up her dragons, her children, because one of them killed ONE kid. This was horrible writing, no other way around it.
@@Isvoor Arya was at the Red Wedding.
9:27 is actually one of my favorite Daenerys line. Though I don’t like this season (because of it HOW it presented the plot, not because of the plot itself), I thought this moment was powerful af. Danny’s lost all the love she’s always had.
Viserys from season 1 (paraphrasing) “…they’ve never shown me the love they just showed her in that tent. Not even once.” (When Drogo was promising to take the world for his son).
Danny has had the support of “the people”/the public for basically the shows runtime at this point. We’ve grown so accustomed to rooting for her and expecting the world to, that when everyone starts to betray her; us, the audience, can really feel her isolation now.
Just like you said; she went out of her way to help and save the North because that’s the person she is… and in return? She gets stabbed in the back. It’s very poetic and sad, and I DO like the story being told. I just think it could have been done *so much better* in a way that wouldn’t have left so many people feeling like they have whiplash.
it seems to me that not only did the ones in the show turn on Danery's but also the Audience and writers.
I agree.
"Who can rule without wealth or fear or love?"
Daenerys turned out to be like her brother in the end
People are talking about Dany "saving the North" like it was some kind of sacrifice, but that doesn't sit right with me. She was helping with saving the continent that she wanted to rule. It was just as much in her interest as in others' to defeat the night king! I don't get this argument.
Fortunately only a little part of the audience rooted for her and others always saw what a witch Daenerys always was.
@@stearinlys opposed to the current ruler of the realm who chooses to ignore the threat and literally would have gotten everyone killed??
What??
Dany said herself "Let it be fear then". The only people who kept her in check were Jorah (who died) and Tyrion (who failed her). Now she makes her own decisions. No one can stop her from Fire and Blood.
20: writers went like "lol fuck it"
Can you really blame Sansa for not trusting Dany? She has been betrayed over and over and over and over again the beginning of the show.
She also has learned to spot the power hungry not fully mentaly stable type.
That's her problem though, she made stupid decisions which allowed people to take advantage of her, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, while she was technically right not to trust Dany her reasoning wasn't justified.
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture8817 I wouldn’t really say that her decisions were stupid. She was just trying to survive around some seriously dangerous people.
”The next time you raise a hand to me will be the last time you have hands.”
The line we were all very impressed with in season 1. Many of Dany’s most powerful moments feel very different on the second watch after knowing how it ends. She has it in her the whole time.
Exactly, and people argue that it came out of no where. Season 8 was rushed, but her doing what she did was always going to happen.
Tons of characters have said stuff like this without going crazy. Tyrion told Bronn that "the next time Ser Meryn speaks, kill him". Basically the same line. Dany's insanity was not properly set up, otherwise half the cast is insane and will go on a killing spree on a season 9 that never happened.
I don't think that's a good example. Her brother was an abusive asshole to her and a lot of other characters have said stuff like that.
conveniently ignoring all the folks who saw this coming years ago. decades ago, if you go by the book readers.
@Sound Logic "valid rage" lol
Sansa has every reason to not trust Daenerys. But you basically missed the complete story and rooted for your Disney end. Not surprising.
What reasons are those exactly?? She saved the north.
Targaryens killed her grandfather, and uncle
Danny could be a tyrant
Sansa is paranoid and want to escape this big game world
Huuuh 😂
@@morgunsswrd9670 she was so paranoid she was quick to trust Jaime the man who’s family killed her father, brother and mother lol.
@@FlashingLightss when did sansa said that she trusted him? You don't khow what sansa thinks cause show is trying to say that she is Littlefinger 2.0
No show has ever been able to split a fanbase quite like GoT can.
Split a fanbase? That's being very generous lol. The majority of the fanbase has completely abandoned the show after the disaster that was the last season and can't bring themselves to rewatch the series anymore. It's completely vanished from pop culture and it goes to show how much a bad ending can ruin a show's legacy.
Cersei and Jaime were the only “couple” to last all 8 seasons, truly unbreakable. from womb to tomb….
“Whatever our souls are made of, mine and yours are the same”
The more I rewatch it the more I realize this is unironically an excellent episode. The tension, the drama, the goodbyes, the blow off, the sense of treachery, the heartbreak, all of it hits right in the fucking feels. Dany's is a long telegraphed parable for the lusture of power and end justifying the means. Yeah the Dany turn could've been done differently, but let's be real. What actually made most of them angry wasn't the crudeness of the turn, it was the "I rooted for her so long for this?" factor. It's the heart-rending way the script is flipped on Cersei and Jaime and Valonqar. It was the old regime suddenly feeling more humane with those visuals of Lannister soldiers desperately ushering people to safety. It was the level of unexpected brutality unleashed by the heroes(TM) in conquering a city. It was the psychology of war at its purest form. We've seen pictures of liberated Dresden or Mosul and it's not all that different. It takes a lot out of you emotionally. It only speaks to the level of investment people had on this show for them to be that bothered. If something happening in a TV show can make people this angry, then its existence is justified.
When you talk about Sansa you forget the point that she doesn’t have to want someone who doesn’t know to be queen and you also have to remember their conversation in S8 E2 when Daenerys gets mad when Sansa asks about the north independence
And you also have to remember that Sansa's distrust of Dany is not unfounded. Dany is the daughter of the man who killed Sansa's grandfather and uncle. The Targaryans ruled the kingdoms by threatening those who opposed them with death by fire. That doesn't exactly inspire trust. Somehow when Jon said these things in his first meeting with Dany no one objected. They applauded Jon for not bending the knee to her. Yet when Sansa gives her the side eye, it's automatically "Sansa's a bitch, or Sansa's jealous". The kind of reaction you'd expect from a 13 year old girl...not a reaction you'd expect from adults watching an intelligent show.
@@NovaLena22 exactly! Im sad to see that it all has been boiled down to: “its all Sansas fault” or “if Sansa didnt do this, then…” I mean come on, only Daenerys is responsible for the actions she willingly made while not being forced. It has been some kind of battle between Dany fans and Sansa fans because Sansa didnt like her when, in my opinion, its about how Daenerys behave when she’s not met with 1000% loyalty from people who doesnt question her decisions.
Sandra Helena Toft Petersen completely agree. Daenerys aren’t as smart as I thought they were if they think all of Daenerys actions are sansas fault
No, the fans said that Sansa played a hand in her downfall. That's all. If she kept the secret then certain things wouldn't have happened.
Lol I remember when everyone was trying to figure out what metaphors and stuff meant when Arya rode off on the white horse.
"Maybe Arya is gonna catch Cersei on rotation" :D LMAO
Ah yes, the episode that culminated everyone's rage.
Nah I thought the episode was good, even though Daenerys went a bit too mental a bit too fast
Not everyone's rage.not those that been paying attention and not watching it their eyes closed to danys disposition since season 2.
@@baronhomer1 regardless of the fires and blood line from season 2 everyone likes to pretend was her whole character, Daenerys never went in for the senseless killing of civilians. This episode is terrible. The basically wrote half an episode and then left it to the cgi guys to make it look cool.
Not really, happened too early (they rushed it) but it's 100% something she'd do at that point.
Not me, i knew for a Long time that daenerys would go this way. It was always in her, blaming Sansa for Daenerys´ decisions is just cheap.
I disagree with the "Sansa hated her first no reason" thing. Sansa's sole want is the independence of the North, which they had &fought for and Jon gave it away for no reason. The North had basically turned against Jon at that point and they didn't want to be ruled by Dany. Dany didn't care what they wanted, she was gonna rule them anyway.
Let's really look into Tyrion's intelligence. That much ridiculed topic. The poor outcome of his decisions does not diminish the internal struggle that Tyrion has to go through.Tyrion hedged his bet on Dany to make the world a more just place. He knew she was an imperfect vessel and still in his misplaced hubris, he believed he could mold her into a perfect one. The first conversation Tyrion had with Dany was him telling her "stopping the wheel, it's a beautiful dream" and Dany replying "I'm not going to stop the wheel. I'm going to break the wheel". From then on it's a constant pattern of Tyrion counselling Dany to be moderate, even at military costs (like losing Casterly Rock). Because despite himself, Tyrion always knew he's made a deal with the devil and all his focus was in averting the impending disaster. It's *hard to be portrayed as charming and witty when the point of your character is a slow and painful disillusionment* . You can look at it as, "Tyrion lost his wits. It's not the same Tyrion who was dunking on Cersei and Janos Slynt". Or you can look at it as a broken man's losing (but honorable) battle to prevent the inevitable. Tyrion tries his best to stop a demagogue from taking power, a demagogue he himself had enabled, and in the process Tyrion dies a moral death.
Oh come on! We don't need subtlety and nuance... we need more of the drunken Tyrion that entertained us by putting powerful people down, even if it nearly got him killed.
@@SerbAtheist Haha exactly. Thank you! Your replies are always a refreshing change compared to the usual nonsense.
Your commentary in the end is fantastic!!! Targaryen/Mad Queen stuff aside, I feel like Dany’s thinking “I lost half my army to help save your asses, lost two of my dragons, my bff Missandei. All of you mostly will betray me, absolutely no one loves me here. Fck it, not worth it, I’ll do what I’m made to be, A CONQUEROR,”
When Danny started strafe running the city and burning civilians after the bells rang I was just blown away like 😳😳😳😮😮
Legit was silent for mutiple minutes just in absolute shock.
I was blown away too. I couldn't believe how impressive it was that the writers were able to assassinate Dany's character in just one episode lol
@@josephwantock1993 🧂🧂
Yeah. I was shocked too. Shocked at the utter stupidity, misogyny and senselessness. I guess they kinda forgot. 🙄
@@izattyu6863 Misogyny? lmfao get off the meth you absolute buffoon 😂😂
@@xXSinForLifeXx Yes I am still salty that the writers managed to completely ruin one of my favorite shows of all time in less than 10 episodes. How did you know lol?
I know you didn’t know but it was clear that Varys had a idea of what Daenerys had turned into
But WHY? What had Dany done that was so much worse than Jon? (before episode 5 obviously) To the point that Jon was seen as the good Targaryen and Dany was the bad one?
@@josephwantock1993 nothing. The turn was rushed and illogical. The writing sucks. Forget man. No need to argue.
@@thetalesofelbek7042 Yeah, I know. But I've still seen a lot of people in this comments section who think GOT had a good ending and D&D don't deserve any of that good credit for completely ruining the show lol
@@josephwantock1993 it’s mostly stark fans or casual fans.
@@josephwantock1993 The only thing she did that was "immoral" was execute her prisoners of war, but even then the writers depicted it like it was their choice to get executed so it's completely justified, at no point was Dany "evil" the showrunners are just incompetent assholes.
Sansa became a politician (quiet a good one). She learned the game well. And she doesn't only care about her family, she cares about the North and its independence. So telling Tyrion might not be the honorable thing but in her eyes maybe the right one. Also Varys. He always cared only for the fate of the realm, and he wants the right ruler for it. Comparing Jon's and Daenerys's kind of leading makes his decision, and I can also understand him. Especially when you look at the family history of the Tagaeryens and the state Daenerys was in. He knew he would die for this decision.
Regarding Daenerys and Greyworm - they wanted vengeance. They lost everything beforehand. Remember Missandei yelling "Dracarys"? That's what she is doing. But vengeance is a bad advisor. It overwhelms her. And don't forget, she always had a knack for ruthlessness, mercy rarely was her trait. It was mostly her advisors who persuaded her otherwise then. And they are all gone now.
This is why we stand with House Stark.
House Targaryen all the way.
The North remembers.
Long live house stark
Agree. The Night King deserved the triumph.
Dragons beat dire wolves any day of the week.
I had so many problems with this episode I wouldn’t even know where to begin -
- It was COMPLETELY unnecessary for Dany to kill all the civilians after they’d surrendered (not buying the psychological argument here)
- why didn’t she head directly to the red keep?
- this was Cercei’s defence plan? Her standing there and crying was a pathetic way to end her journey.
- the Hound and Mountain battle was one of the better elements of the episode but it was obvious fan service
- Arya spent YEARS pursuing her vengeance to kill Cercei, only to be sweet talked out of it once she got there, by the Hound??? NO WAY!
- Cercei’s death scene is pathetic
I don’t care about fan service, I don’t care about subverting expectations - it was ALWAYS John Snow’s character arc to kill the Night King and it was always Arya’s character arc to kill Cercei. I will forever feel robbed that these didn’t happen in the way they should have.
Exactly. I don’t buy the crazy storyline it’s picked for Daenerys… I would have if they had done it longer and properly. The last 3 to 4 episodes we’re supposed to be at least spent over one to two seasons.. and if you think about it the timeline from the start of season eight until now seems like it’s only been a couple weeks… I mean the absurdity of jumping from a long night battle to this battle is absolutely insane and frankly should’ve taken months. Hell it took Santa an entire season to get from Kings Landing after she escaped to back home.
They should had priorities story first and subverting expectations never they made Dany a complete idiot.
Exactly
1) Fun thing about power hungry dictators is that no one gets to tell them what is necessary and what is not.
2) Because she wanted to send a message to the whole world that no one should ever f*** with her again and expect mercy, like for instance the people of KL who chose to follow Cersei instead of her.
3) Sometimes you just run out of plans and just stare lost on a balcony. Like Ceausescu.
4) It was a mockery of fan service. A pointless battle which solves nothing, highlighting the absolute futility of vengeance. An eye for an eye. It's not even subtle.
5) Yeah, I guess all those scenes where she bonded with the Hound, who very much acted like a father figure, were just for show.
6) Cersei's death is only pathetic if you imagine her to be a villain, because you hate her and wanted her to suffer. Instead, she is presented as a frail woman trying to forever act tough and cling to power thinking it would keep her safe and now the whole world is crumbling around her. What you really hate is that in her last moments Cersei found someone who loved her and forgave her.
' it was ALWAYS John Snow’s character arc to kill the Night King and it was always Arya’s character arc to kill Cercei.'
Hahahaha! Then you completely misunderstood everything about the show. Go watch the Avengers or something.
@@SerbAtheist To be fair, it is very surprising that John didn't kill the NK. He's been involved with that arc since season 1, when Arya didn't know about the WW until her return, it really felt like it was his battle. Feels like one of those "too obvious" thing that the writters decided to avoid, but sometimes it's obvious for a reason.
Betrayed? She just killed someone for trying to tell the truth. Let that sink in. Don't try to hide the truth, let Jon state public that he doesn't want it, like Maester Aemon.
Why telling the truth of the guy doesn’t want it ? Where is the logic ?
@@thetalesofelbek7042 Because Jon was a better leader than Dany. I would rather follow the guy who puts an arrow in Mace because he was disgusted by burning people as an execution then the woman who burns a man alive for telling the truth. It's pretty logically.
@@robertwalker1001 she executed him because he Betrayed her, easy , you don’t need logic here. He was going to force the guy to get the throne when the guys doesn’t want it, he repeated it hundred times. It’s a medieval world. And it’s controversial who is a better leader.
@@thetalesofelbek7042 Jon was forced to be the Lord Commander and forced to be King in the North. He should have been forced to be king of the seven kingdoms. Dany's only claim to the throne was a lie. Varys was executed for exposing it. Call it betrayal if it makes you feel better.
@@robertwalker1001 Dany’s claim was rightful one but after Jon. He could have abdicated , nobody should not be forced to do something, they will fail. You are a casual fan, think what ever you want , do read ASOIAF to know Westeros rules. He wasn’t forced to be the lord commander. Dany was trying to avoid the war , Sansa was trying to start the war, if not for Jon , She and Winterfell would burn by dragon fire or destroyed by the others even before DAny arrived.
btw, I honestly love the poetic justice that was the death of the Hound and the Mountain, falling into the fire. I came to love him honestly, and the relationship he developed with Arya. Talk about unexpected from that first meeting between them in episode 1.
I have ZERO problem with Daenerys becoming a mad queen. The execution, writing and speed of the downfall leaves a LOT to be desired.
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I completely share the sentiment with Cersei, the past two episodes she wasn't acting like someone who wanted to save her and her child's life until the very minute she was about to die. It's a problem I have with her alot of the time, she doesn't think ahead enough to have her decisions ACTUALLY work in her favour.
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Facts
Danny did not come to Westeros to help ANYONE; she came to conquer and take back with Fire and Blood what she feels is hers.
I feel like Sansa's reason to dislike Danny is just that she wants the North Independence. She just wants her people to be free, not have to fight other people's fight, and kneel to a Queen they don't recognize. I gotta say, after all the shit kings they have had, that sounds reasonable.
Only kneel to Sansa, yes of course lol. She wants power , she even ignore Jon.
If you want to get "REAL' technical..... back when Jon died, and was brought back by Melisendre, he gave up his position of Lord Captain Commander, because the position is to serve until death. It said nothing about life, after death, and so he used that as an escape from that duty which he no longer wanted.
In the same way, technically, his death could be argued to also release him from his claim on the throne. The story could have gone that way as well earlier on to avoid any tension between Jon and Dany.
Yes, but it could also be said that there is no rule about the heir next in line for the throne dying and then coming back to life. Yes his death would have absolved his claim to the throne, but his resurrection could have restored it. The Night's Watch oath is explicit that their duty goes on until death. The line of succession is more ambiguous.
Dany snapped. She was always going to snap. 🤷🏼♀️
This was an insane experience to say the least I could not believe my eyes. It takes a toll on you
Way back in season one, Dany had a line that she said to her brother( I will burn Kings Landing to the ground). Something along those lines. So Dany prophesied this episode back in season one.
I disagree with some of the comments saying her violence was set up. Every time she was violent it had a purpose. If she had gone right to the red keep and killed innocents as a bi-product I think that would have been more justified, but they never established her hating the people, they established her to hate Cersei. And Cersei might have even lived if not for getting trapped in the cave.
-“The next time you raise a hand to me will be the last time you have hands!” - was an act of mercy considering the rest of the camp has wanted him gone/dead for some time at that point. Danny is the only reason he lasts as long as he does.
-King of Quaarth tried to manipulate her into marriage, steals her dragons, and attempts to leave her for dead with a warlock.
-kid in Mereen who kills a Master awaiting trial *broke established law and committed murder* .
-Slavers Bay; they were attempting to overthrow her city and revive slavery
-The Khal’s in the temple of Dosh Khaleen were going to r*** her until she died.
-Randyll Tarly refused to bend the knee and refused sentencing to the Wall. What was she supposed to do?
Like, fr, miss me with all the “it was pre-established” nonsense because it really wasn’t. Never in the rest of the show does she do something as evil as burning Kings Landing and it’s inhabitants to the ground. Completely out of character, even if she’s “gone mad” . And if that’s gonna be the selling point (going mad) then make the audience believe it! Don’t pull it out of your arse with 2 episodes of the show left! So saddening.
@@TheRedcat14 And all the people she crucified? Just to mention one of the sick things she did.
@@elboludo she essentially Hammurabi’s code’d that situation. For every slave one of the masters crucified; she crucified one of the masters. And goes on to say she was mistaken in doing so.
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So sad cause this episode would’ve been an absolute masterpiece if it wasn’t so rushed
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this is unironically a great episode. the tension, the drama, the heartbreak, all of it is great.
The writing was horseshit
Dany: "gots to see it through ma boi"
Varys only serves the Realm, nothing more.
Your analysis is spot on. I didn't mind her turn because of everything that you said. They probably could have found a better way to get there, but I didn't mind it. This season needed more episodes to develop her turn, but I didn't mind her turn because of EVERYTHING that you said.
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So the thing is, showrunners wanted to make Sansa so "clever" and "experienced" for this last season that they literally made her clairvoyant, but didn't give an explanation, so instead of looking smart, she feels like she just loves causing trouble.
What was intended is (I think) this: she feels that something is off with Daenerys, and she will be right eventually, showing her intelligence. But we didn't get an explanation why she feels this. So a bit of backstory: the Mad King wasn't actually mad first. He was a fairly cool dude with great ambitions, just like Dany. He went mad slowly, thanks to treason, imprisonment, illness, possible torture and mistrust. He started to turn towards legends, believing that he was a dragon like his ancestors. There is also a prophecy in the picture that led to an unhappy marriage (The Mad King and his wife/sister) and the "kidnapping" of Lyanna Stark. At the end, he wasn't himself anymore. After the Starks spoke up against Rhaegar (who at that time already took Lyanna), Aerys (the Mad King) summoned the head of House Stark and his heir to King's Landing (Ned's father and brother), and burned the father to death while the brother strangled himself trying to save his father. Now, back to present time, Sansa sees Aerys in Daenerys. The daughter of the man who killed her grandfather and uncle, the sister of the man who kidnapped her aunt. And the woman who now wants to take her "brother" and concour her newly freed kingdom. Dany might have looked like a good person, but after Joffrey, Cersei and Littlefinger, Sansa could not trust any outsiders even if they acted nice.
So Sansa has reasons, it's just poorly executed. The same with Daenerys. She had this agressive side in her the whole time (killing the slavers without trial, etc), almost always restrained by her advisors. But this season all her advisors either died or left their brains somewhere in Essos to progress that same madness her father developped in dozens of years, so for most fans it feels rushed (because it is), or unjustified
I feel like if this season wasn't so rushed, the decisions made as far as the story goes would have been better received. Speaking as someone who loved the story and the plot points and hated the fact it was so rushed, I believe the decisions made sense and, had they been more developed, the actual pay-off would have been great to say the least. I know I'm in the vast minority here, but I watched the show 5 times and each time I saw more and more breadcrumbs leading to the ending, I genuinely think it made sense for the story and thr characters. Game of Thrones was never a happy show, and the ending was a tragic one, exactly what the show had set up. It wasnever about the big moments, people sometimes died unfairly and alone, not in the most action-packed scene you could find ( take Stannis or Robb, unceremonial deaths that happened because), exactly like Jaime and Cersei, in my opinion at least.
no, the decisions were awful, not just rushed
@@iainsteele5737 they made sense, believe me I watched the whole show 5 times and every time they made more sense. For example, how does Bran being king not make sense? He literally knows every decision every ruler has ever made and the outcome it led to, he is completely fair to all the people, he doesn't care about power and he can't father children and he has the right family name
@@robertmarginean164 why do theon and varys become idiots? why is euron a horny pirate? why did jamie lie about caring for the people? answer those and i’ll give you more questions.
@@robertmarginean164 Bran being king wasnt the problem the problem was they said he has the best story out of everyone, which he most certainly didnt, had they gone for the route of "I think bran should be king cuz hes young aint gunna bother having kids so gaining power wont be a player here and knows every possible choice and outcome" then yeah maybe people would be happier with him being king.
This!🙌🏻
I get why Varys is more sure of John Snow than of Daenerys. John has never sought power, but time and again has been chosen by the people, and he has always done what is best for them with honor to the best of his ability. Dany has tried to help people and do good things, but since season 1 her main goal has been her sitting on the throne ruling Westeros. Someone not seeking power but again and again being chosen by his followers to lead and do so with honor is what the realm needs, his path is truly selfless where as Danys is based on her selfish desire to be queen, however much good she thinks she can do.
Sansa is very misunderstood at this point in the show and it kills me how more people don't talk about this. She didn't just dislike Dany for random reasons, it's all about power for Sansa. Who were the main influences in Sansa's life as she grew up in King's Landing? Cersei and Littlefinger, who are VERY skilled at gaining and maintaining power. Sansa sees the threat to her power that Dany poses and she is fighting for herself. She is way more ruthless than anyone gives her credit for. At the battle of Winterfell, she allowed Jon to send his men in outnumbered and get slaughtered without telling him that she sent for the knights of the Vale. This was a POWER MOVE and it shifted power from Jon to her. She was more than a little shook at how skilled Arya had become and the fact that Brienne supported Arya as well; this was also a threat to her power. I believe she loves her family, but like Cersei, she needs power to survive this world and she will make those moves to get it, ESPECIALLY against a Targaryen with 2 armies, dragons, and no intentions to support Sansa's interests in keeping Winterfell as the sovereign ruling seat of the North.
I don't think shes misunderstood. I think the writing is just garbage.
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Hard to say but...Sansa was aways right about her.
"I've never known bell's to mean surrender." Was there a meeting they decided to change war tactics?
Somebody told me to remember that all of those people that died in King's Landing were at Ned Stark's execution cheering 😂
I'm just gonna say that Sansa had a VERY legitimate reason to not like Dany from the moment they met: Danaerys planned on ruling them as the Queen, even if they didn't want her to be ruled. Jon went and bent the knee because he fell for Dany but Sansa represented the people of the North who didn't asked to be ruled by anyone else. Sansa definitely pulled a Littlefinger here and that pushed alot of extremes. But Sansa was also the only person who actually understood the North still wanted to be an independent kingdom and that she might have to fight if Danaerys couldn't accept their freedom to choose their own leader.
The northerners would not stand against Daenerys, and they weren’t against her , they followed Jon , Jon bend the knee because DAny agrees to fight for the north, for its people.
@@thetalesofelbek7042 They had a WHOLE conversation about how they were pissed about Jon bending a knee without letting them know. Sansa represented the voice of them
@@Dakenae I haven’t seen any northern to support Sansa. The retiring went to shit.
@@thetalesofelbek7042 there's literally a whole scene in season 7 where the northerners tell sansa that maybe they should have crowned her queen and sansa tells them to have faith in jon
@@Lluvia7575 lol no I doubt northerners honor. The writers did them dirty.
Jon bending the knee to Dany saved their ungrateful asses.
I'll never understand why people blame Sansa for the decisions Daenerys makes. Besides ... yes I can well understand that Daenerys is devastated to have lost two dragons, Jorah, Missandei as well as Jon's love, but this is NEVER a reason to burn thousands of innocent people. As I have written before, it has long been clear that Daenerys would go to the dark side, as she has always done when something did not go her way. If anyone gave her the slightest bit of resistance, she executed them. Over on Essos, people were either against her (sons of the Harpy for example) or 1000% on her side and it is dangerous to have a queen who does not tolerate that people have a different opinion than her. One last thing I want to say is that Daaenerys has always talked about the throne being her birthright and that is why she should sit on it, but as soon as she finds out that there is someone who has an even greater claim to sit there, then she gets hypocritical and wants Jon to keep it to himself. Im not a Dany-hater, I loved her in the first couple of seasons, but I think it was around season 3 that I could sense her state of mind and began to fear what the end resultat would be.
Bravo. I agree with everything you just said. I was a Dany fan too for the first 3 seasons. But in Season 4, I started to see her in a different light. I saw that she was very intolerant of other opinions. She had to constantly be talked out of burning and killing people by the likes of Jorah, Selmy and now Tyrion. As I've said before, her sense of entitlement is much stronger than her sense of what is good and fair. Her hunger for power drives her more than any compassion she may have for the people. As another reactor brilliantly stated "Dany is how a bad person describes good" It's a shame that you can't seem to voice a negative opinion against any popular character without being labeled a "hater". But such are the times we live in.
No Essos is not a good example. She didn't mind people disagreeing with her but rather how they went about it. The Sons of the Harpy murdered her men and council, people who pledged their life to her. She couldn't let that slide. That leads to dissention among the ranks. Having a leader who is willing to fight back/avenge you instills loyalty. She doesn't get hypocritical. She gets scared that even though she has all these accomplishments, a loyal army, dragons etc it can be undone by something as simple and insignificant as a penis. That's why she wanted Jon to keep it a secret. It can unravel everything she worked for and fought for.
Uhh you do realize the type of world they’re living in right ? It isn’t sunshine and rainbows. She can’t win a war and rule by asking politely for everyone to be on her side. People going against her (like the harpy’s) leads to her own men getting killed, rebellions, and people trying to kill her. She tolerated people having different opinions unless it threatened her life or ability to rule. She could have easily seized power much earlier in the show but delayed it to help as many people as she could and she got betrayed for it. And she’s not hypocritical, it was her life long dream and goal to get the iron throne and has suffered and fought for it. She knows it’s not important Jon and that he doesn’t want it, that why she wants him to keep it to himself. In this world she was a morally very good leader up until this episode. Only 100% pure person is Jon and he literally did not want it at all and was tired of having to be leader.
It long being obvious that she would turn dark is only a symptom of a greater problem. D&D never understood Dany. Besides, her going crazy was a last minute decision, so any foreshadowing that she would go dark is only a convenient coincidence. It was supposed to be wild fire that would've destroyed King's Landing, but they needed a reason for Jon to kill her without looking like the bad guy.
I've never seen people measure a character by such double standards as Daenerys.
Arya kills an entire family and bakes men into a pie.
Not all Freys were responsible for the Red Wedding.
No one is saying she will take a dark path, though that would even be justified to say so.
Sansa fed her rapist husband to his dogs and smiled while he died.
Justifiably, no one says anything about that.
But equally, Dany is criticized for looking cold while her abusive brother, who only seconds before threatened to cut her child from her womb, is crowned with molten gold.
Tywin has wiped out two entire houses without blinking an eye.
Children, servants and innocent people were killed.
He ordered the killing of Elia and her children, as well as the organization of the Red Wedding. No one would think of calling Tywin mad.
Tyrion told the lords of Kings Landing that he wished they would all drink poison and he would like to see them choke on it.
However, when Dany executes slave masters and rapists, she is the villain.
Where in the world of ice and fire are people not executed for causing mischief?
Literally the first thing we see in ASOIAF is Ned executing a deserter who doesn't even deserve to die. By *NED* probably the most morally pure character in the series.
So tell me where did you foresee Daenerys killing innocent citizens before.
I like to think of the horse as a gift from the god of death for her evasion of him to this point
“Why is there a horse here?” lol
4:19 Varys went from being the actual smartest person in the show … to writing *treason letters that will surely result in his death* as he sits in said person’s castle, no less.
Varys was Illirio’s informant; he’s been Team Danny since literally episode 1. But now that D&D can feel the ending approaching, they gotta start scratching names off the list. I HATED how they did Varys, as did the actor who portrayed him. The character deserved soooooo much more.
Varys at that point knew he would die he wasn't trying to get around that. Varys motive has always been consistent he wants the best ruler for the realm.
Varys was not team Daenarys Varys was doing what he thought was right for the realm. He just realised at the end Dany wasn't the leader he thought she was.
Like I said his character is very consistent he's loyal to no one he wants the best for the realm that just happened to be Dany up untill the end.
@@xXSinForLifeXx “he wasn’t trying to get around that”
Tyrion threatened to kill Varys when he tried to relocate Shae. Varys goes on a rant about how he’s seen kings come and go, how he’s had countless people try to “throw him in the sea” and he just keeps on swimming. Varys never intended to die (or at least he shouldn’t have) because like you said; his character revolves around wanting what’s best for the common people. If he believes Danny *isn’t the one* anymore…. It should be even more reason for him to “keep swimming”.
My problem lies with Varys doing something completely stupid and out of character (something he woulda never done in seasons 1-3) resulting in his death. It just feels lazy. Like someone hit “fast forward” and I missed something.
@@TheRedcat14 But in that moment he had succeeded in doing what he wanted that's what I'm saying.
You even say his character revolved around doing what's best for the common people he did that and was willing to sacrifice for it.
I'm not saying his death was the best thing I'm just trying to point out he didn't betray his morals or Danaerys as you said he was always on the common peoples side.
@@TheRedcat14 Think that can the put down to them just rushing abit because of the amount they had to get through.
Although I'm not sure what else he could have done there isn't many allys left he could turn to.
@@xXSinForLifeXx that I’d agree with! And ties back into me wishing they woulda went through with a season 9 or 10 to flesh some things out more.
Danny needed more time and we, as an audience, deserved so many more answers towards the White Walkers that I genuinely believe D&d just don’t have the answers to. So I can get them dipping out of those details. But what they did to Danny (and most characters tied to her) is pretty friggen atrocious imo.
I kinda saw it as mental health a little, she had very few people on her side. & most betrayed her or she lost in horrific ways. There is only so much people can take, but I wish they had spent more time on her arch if they were going to have her go mad. It didn’t make sense to what she has accomplished and her good heart.
You can’t make a character mad in 2 episodes. I agree with you, 100%.
That is a lot of blame placed on Sansa. I hated Sansa earlier in the series and loved Daenerys, but it shifted as I watched them evolve. My feelings towards Sansa were always complicated and I eventually got tired of Dany's entitlement. Dany didn't come to Westeros because she cared. She came because she felt entitled. She didn't come to save them from Cersei. It never mattered who was on the throne. It only mattered that it wasn't her. She was going to come with Drogo and he was very open about how they'd kill, rape, and enslave. People can either live in Dany's new world or die in their old one.
"I am Daenerys Stormborn of the blood of old Valyria and I will take what is mine. With Fire and blood, I will take it" She was having a tantrum in Qarth when a guy wouldn't just give her a bunch of ships. The obnoxious Qarth guy and the witch that killed Drogo and her son were both talking a lot of sense, but we loved watching Daenerys rise above her season 1 mistreatment, so we still cheered her on.
She should never have had a right to the throne. The Mad King was mad and needed removed. She could have stayed and ruled in Mereen, but that wasn't enough for her. She claimed the dragons were her children, but she used them like weapons and constantly did things against their best interest. I wouldn't even do that to my dogs.
And if Daenerys had listened to Sansa, Missandei wouldn't have been killed. It was weird she even took her to war.
She didn't take her to war. She moved her entire camp north so they would all be together. She never goes anywhere without one of her closet confidants. They're like sisters. Exactly she was bratty and entitled in the beginning but that got slowly stripped away.
This was a fun journey man, thanks
Danny was crazy since season 1, we Could see this coming.
shocking to me that people are surprised that the person threatening to burn cities to the ground since the start actually burnt a city to the ground. easy to ignore christina columbus' tyranny when she's burning one-dimensional cartoon villains though, i guess.
that would make everyone a mad queen lol about every character is about as violent as her
@@chunglu LMAO Columbus ventured to acquire slaves, Danny ventured to free them.
Absolutely wild that this needs explaining
How was she crazy tf💀💀💀
I will say that if this dark side was inside Danny, it could have come out any time, is that the type of leader that they should gamble on. Sansa had a bad feeling about her, and yes she made a self fulfilling prophecy by causing the events that led to her turn, but she was right. Same with Varys. He hoped he was wrong but seems like he wasn't.
Varys and Sansa were the only two people who were thinking rational in this season.
@@abbystark3898 I’ll always see Sansa’s POV, but Varys was just lazy. The writers didn’t know what to do with him anymore, so they killed him.
Season 1 Varys wouldn’t have written a letter discrediting Robert/Cersei’s claim while *sitting in the Red Keep* .
Stillllll gets me twisted how stupid they made him.
@@abbystark3898 thats bullshit. A woman putting her whole dream on hold for you and u decide not to trust her?? That makes no sense
@@cyandamadlala9610 ???
@@cyandamadlala9610 Sansa has earned the right to never trust a word anyone says ever again. And the show supports it, not crams it into her character two episodes before it ends.
There's a lot of crazy good moments in The Bells.
"If it ain't tragic it ain't good" like you said.
It really isn't mentioned enough how ruined Tyrion is. Forget his motivations, his intelligence, etc all being ruined. He doesn't even have the same mannerisms that he had prior.
In the first 3 seasons, Tyrion was quick-witted and very well-spoken. On par with Varys & Littlefinger. It's like he had a stroke in the middle seasons. Now, he's speaking slower, is a coward and a turncoat against Varys AND Daenerys. And by Episode 6, he's literally a bumbling idiot who thinks the one character who's done the absolute least of anyone is the most qualified to rule.
Agreed!! He was D&d’s scapegoat towards Danny’s madness; neither of them were given the respect that the character was due.
Every single character arc is ruined in the last season. They couldn't have written a worse ending if they had tried
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Unpopular opinion but I actually love the scene where she burns the city, looks incredible and honestly makes a fair bit of sense when you think about it.
Um, not at all. Why did Daeneryes still burn the whole city after they had already surrendered? Not to mention she no doubt killed thousands of innocent children which is something Daeneryes would've never done before the last 3 episodes for no good reason
@@josephwantock1993 because she realized that they were surrendering exclusively because they feared Drogon, which was the exact opposite of what she'd believed would happen throughout the entire show; she was expecting to be welcomed with open arms by a loving populace that she's rescuing, not to be utterly rejected by everyone including half of her own forces. Lannister troops were fully prepared if not eager to fight before Drogon's arrival and are pretty much guaranteed to rebel when he's not around, in addition to this the civilians quite literally chose Cersei over her even after she sacrificed a dragon and a ton of her army to save their lives. If you cannot be loved, you must be feared or you will not retain power; it's basic medieval rulership. She literally threatened to burn cities to the ground on multiple occasions when she didn't get her way, do you think she was planning on evacuating every civilian and child in those cities before she did so? If so, you're being very naive. Also what do you mean "no good reason"? The reason for doing it is the thing she's been trying to get throughout the entire show, I'd say that's a pretty good reason.
@@Duskwalker68 But the city surrendered? And not even two minutes after the bells began to ring, she starts laying waste to the streets of Kings Landing. She gave the people zero time to "love her" lol. There is a way to make the Mad Queen storyline work, but how it was presented in the show completely assassinates Dany's character.
@@josephwantock1993 yes, they surrendered after Drogon completely destroyed their defences and they had no other option except death which isn't exactly a showing of support. My point is that they will NEVER love her and even if they did she'd squander that love exactly like she did before in Yunkai! She isn't freeing slaves from their hated masters to earn their love this time, she's a foreigner invading their country with dragons, mounted reavers and emotionless eunuchs while burning noblemen alive for refusing to break their oaths; not to mention she's a Targaryen and the daughter of the Mad King so she's been doing exactly what they were told she would. Nobody wants her as a queen and she realized that in that moment, the sudden realization that fear is her only remaining tool is why she burns the city. By doing so she proves everyone right and by extension proves that she is a monarch to be feared, even more so than her father.
Totally agree that they screwed up the presentation though, there should've been ten seasons with a lot more character development IMO. I think the storyline does make sense but it was definitely poorly done and extremely rushed, D&D clearly just didn't want to do the work to make it amazing and the end product suffered greatly because of it.
@@Duskwalker68 I can see what you're saying, and it could've worked if the show had written it to be that way. The problem is that Dany was always written to have a pretty level head on her shoulders. Sure, she had some controversial ideas about justice, but nothing she had done prior to the final 3 episodes could be considered as mad. King's Landing had totally surrendered. She needed to earn the people's trust and everything Dany had shown prior to then proved that she knew how to show empathy to those who weren't cruel. I wouldn't call slave masters innocent people and even though she burned the Tarley's, she did give them a chance to switch their allegiance from Cersei, even after they broke their oath to House Tyrell. I guess my point is that the show didn't need to end with Mad Queen Dany if they wanted to end the show after 8 seasons. But if they really wanted the show to end that way, they needed to do another 2-3 seasons for it to make any sense at all.
I’m excited for breaking bad with you.
I found your channel when you were just starting season six, so it’s been a fun last few months.
I hated the ending so much that the next two times I rewatch the series I skipped the last episode. I finally watched it again and now I’ve seen probably five or six people react season 8.
I wasn’t totally shocked with what happened in episode five, but I would’ve liked a longer build up for her flipping the switch. I didn’t notice it while watching you, great editing by the way, because you showed all of her reactions during the first part of the episode of feeling betrayed by the last couple people in her life.
It looks like John was the last straw, although I’m not sure if he had reciprocated her love that this still wouldn’t have happened . I still have a feeling that if Sir Jorah had lived she would’ve never done that. If Missandei had lived I think it would be 50-50 still.
I know there’s a few things that had to end the way George RR Martin led the directors to the conclusion, but I feel that not only was this hastily finished, HBO wanted 13 seasons. After season 6, the 2 crappy directors said nah, we can wrap this up in 13 episodes instead of 7 more seasons. They should have turned the series over to someone else.
And towards the last two or three seasons they were so tired of fans guessing what was going to happen that they purposefully did things that didn’t make sense just so we could be wrong.
Literally! That ONE word was everyone's initial thought when she started to burn everything.... "WHY?!"
Why was everyone surprised by this heel turn? I called this shit in season 2. Daenerys was always gonna be the villain.
But she never wanted to hurt innocents. That was a major part of her character all the way up until the last like 3 episodes. What changed? Just cause Missandei died, she decides to murder thousands of innocent civilians? Nah, that was contrived as hell.
you have to watch "GoT Conquests and Rebellion" on youtube. its a 40 min animated video about the history of Aegons conquest and the houses. and its narrated by actors from the show like varys, jaime, Sansa and more
that dragon lvl up tho super speed and plus 20 damage upgrade
The Hound and the Mountain into the abyss was pretty dope
Back in the day when HBO was releasing a weekly episode I would watch this with my girlfriend, she was a Daenerys stan and, weirdly enough, I was a Sansa stan. I saw all the hints that pointed out to Dany's potential fall to the Dark Side a couple of seasons prior, and my GF would not listen to my theories. Then, when Sansa was presented to us as Daenerys antagonist I was thrilled because I knew then. I was SURE.
When this episode aired and we watched it, I looked at my girlfriend and said to her, with the most serious face: *Sansa was right.*
She's still sour abot this XD.
Your gf was basically watching Dany from Jon Snow eyes - She is not her father. She will be a good queen. So pretty.
While you were watching it from the eyes of the narrator/story as one should. Sansa learning her lessons from Joffrey, Cersei, LF, Ramsay and eventually meeting someone who is a combination of them all just raises all red flags for her. People won't see it until they remove their rose coloured vision for Daenerys.
I could go on for an hour with why I hate this part of the show but I’ll just say this: I wish this season was longer so maybe the sudden turn would be more understandable.
Or at least flow better than Anakin Skywalker’s turn to the dark side.
Shit think your giving the show too much credit at least Anakin's turn had some buildup lol
Don't even compare Anakin to this. Anakin had reasons, orders and no choice, while Dany had everything what she wanted right before her and she just chose massacre for some reason...
It’s so refreshing to see someone enjoy the episode. I feel the exact same way you do. But it’s an objective take for sure. Very niiice lol.
Theres a character in the books that was SUPPOSED to go Ape shit when the bells rang but they left him out of the show, so they kind of wrote themselves into corner.
I’m so excited! I just know I will enjoy your reaction as always! I’m not ready for you to finish the show to be honest😂💔
Me too man. Wish he would react to alt shift or other game of thrones youtubers
Varys was the smartest one in the series.
@Google User that’s why she said “was”. He died in a way that wasn’t befitting to his character in the slightest. I would have loved to see how season 1-3 Varys played this game. Instead we got D&d Varys.
@Google User oh, completely agreed
20:18 - Remember when she said “I'm not here to be queen of the ashes”? Well...
27:49 - Free 1Up for, like, the 4th time. Arya, the Many-Lives-Goddess 😂
This episode is an alogory to World War 2. Danny became a nuclear power and dropped a bomb on westeros. Danny story is a greek tragedy. She set out to destory "the wheel" and instead became it
I'm agreeing with Varys because he was seeing her cracks more and more and didn't want another mad ruler on the throne. I love Dany but she definitely started showing small cracks from the beginning. Drogon said "knock knock I'm coming in" lol
Exactly blaming him and Sansa for seeing her for who she is is just crazy. I didn't like what Sansa did but I agree with what Varys did they both saw through the cracks.
Gonna level with you on this. This episode is not only my pick for the worst in the entire show, but in the running for the worst episode of any show. It's illogical, insane, shallow, contrived, and extremely half-assed. But I've loved following your reactions from beginning to end, even for episodes I hated, because they always seem genuine.
I'm thrilled you're doing Breaking Bad, that one is one of my favorites. Can't wait!
That's what so unfortunate. I've watched the behind the scenes for this episode and the technical side of this episode is astounding. But the writing completely tanks the whole experience. Just goes to show how bad writing can negate so much hard work in other aspects of a movie or tv show
I get why Danearys went down the dark path too, but what I don't get is why the bells is what set it off.
this downward spiral of Dany made me wonder what happened to the mad king that made him turn
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Jon’s “well, fuck” face is just tragic. Like why does his love life always gotta be this complicated
what they did to jaime is unforgiveable
shes not a bad leader. he will take those words back lmao
What a crazy Journey seasons 1 ep 6 is when I first see. Your vid’s and GoT and it’s been a great show