Power words are real. My power word is WHOIP. It actually only comes out if my technique is good and I use a lot of power. It's the sign of a good clean.
This makes you wonder about Liao hui in 2015. He weighed 73.72 kg and snatched 170 and did clean and almost jerk 211. I wonder what lifts he would would have done if his class was 73kg and not 69kg.
so strong! watching so many different clips of him in this video also emphasized that crazy muscle imbalance he has in his legs. also, lu announcing today he is training for Paris probably means he is going to battle shi for the 73kg spot - should be super interesting
In fact, there are videos on Chinese websites of him training to pull 280 kilograms hard, and it looks like he can go even higher to 290 kilograms. Of course weightlifters rarely push themselves to their limit weight, which makes little sense.
Is his torso really that long though? Compared to the length of his legs, femurs, it is above the average, but to say that he has _such_ a long lever is an overstatement imo, just compare his head to his torso for example ....
exactly, that's my only point of disagreement here - in the grand scheme of people who do weightlifting, sure he might have slightly short femur to torso ratio, but for the class he competes in he is neither short nor short-legged, which is one of the reasons why I think his snatch is so huge compared to the rest in the field. I also wish you guys showed him stand under the rim and grab it without taking any steps too - this is certainly another reason he is able to power so much. Lastly, the "Chinese style", if you will, of cleans (always a high contact point) also is slightly favorable to power cleaning.
@@MaestroJericho Pulling strenght is also a sign yes, and compare the clean starting position with Tian Tao, it's very evident there he's got longer legs to torso ratio
I think you have missed his 194 power clean video... it was an internal chinese team competition. He did 194 power clean & jerk. And also his best c&j (in video at least) i think it is 205
Hearing Seb say that an athlete’s snatch grip dead lift should be similar to their front squat really makes me feel how biased I am towards the dead lift 😂
I'd say up to 10% is normal, assuming you've been at it for a while. Mine is like like 2% over (170 to 172.5,) though my proportions make for terrible pulls.
@@christopherroberts2500 hmm how would this ratio apply to a novice with a 240kg conventional deadlift, after a beltless 215kg first attempt, and another beltless 225kg second attempt, because they didn't notice they were beltless at all. would a 225kg front squat be completely absurd expectations, or is it quite standard?
Brute strength. Simply as that. As you said, there are better technicians than him but at the end of the day weightlifting is a speedy STRENGHT sport. Not a ballet where you get extra points for better technique like in gymnastics for example.
Chinese lifters tend to contact at hips w/ clean as opposed to lifters from everywhere else in the world where they contact at mid thigh… Chinese clean technique: higher contact point higher the bar goes !
@@lukeg378 for most lifters yes, but Chinese lifters tend to bend arms or widen grip/stance to hit that high power point, if they can't hit it by default. Just look at Shi as an example.
@6:30 why would anyone pretend to do this? I don't get what it has to do with hard training elite weightlifters? Is it because they get pushed to a limit they're not willing to push through beyond failure?
Seb. I’m hoping to ask for the impossible but could you guys do the same thing on Karlos Nassar? Jeezus I’m so curious about his training and etc when it’s not world records pls
Great insights! Powercleaning on his opening lift in the worlds is definitely a flex move. I'm curious to know what would be another sports equivalent of that? The only thing I can think of is Babe Ruth calling his shot during the 1932 World Series. Love the duo BTW.
@@fmls8266 While I agree with you that scoring against a top tier goalie such as Oliver Khan would be impressive, I don't believe it would be a flex move. What Shi did was a statement move as if to say to the field that everyone is beneath him and no one can touch him. Muhamad Ali standing over Sonny Liston, yelling at him to get up is another one that comes to mind.
I hate the whole ‘C&J equal to frontsquat’ point because in actual reality, if you can C&J something, you can absolutely front squat more. The athletes in question may not have actually done it, but they absolutely would be capable of doing it if they tried.
My uneducated opinion is that it's a combination of great training, extreme natural talent and a body that is just perfect for this, considering length of different limbs compared to each other. And ofcourse, experience and extremely polished technique.
Well remember with that 194 he was injure on that competition, so yeah looks harder but he wast 100%,,,, not saying max point is wrong , never really going to say that the dude know more about weight-lifting on his pinky that I would ever learn.
I mean, why squat twice when you only need to do it once? He likes the squat jerk, but it'll be weaker if he has to full clean a rep first. Makes sense, really. Save it for the squat jerk if you can just power clean it.
I humbly disagree that Shi is not the best technician out there, besides him and LU I would put Apti there as well as 3 best technicians in the last 12 years
Wait! Wait! Doing a bigger bench press won't help your shot putting? That's just ignorance about the shot put. OK, I agree but then bench press doesn't really do all that much for shot putting in the first place. Its at best an assistance exercise next to leg power. Depending upon upper body strength to throw the shot is the key to a short career as a shotputter on account of noncompetitve distances thrown.
Love how the chinese dont shrug in cleans or snatches. I’ve followed suit and my lifts have never been cleaner or smoother. My turnover os waaaaay faster too and just all round smoother. I think people over shrug which can mess up bar path turnover etc. Thank you Deng Wei
well because the Olympics is highly valued by China as a way to promote its image, and weightlifting is one of China's most competitive sport, so they'll scout the most talented kids since they were maybe five or six, put these kids through rounds and rounds of grueling tests and eliminations, and the ones that eventually make it to the provincial (state) team are top notch genetic monsters. On top of that, their lives revolve around weightlifting, forget going to public schools like a normal kid, their lives become lifting, and they're trained by veterans. Let's not forget China has 1.4 billion people to provide that massive pool, honestly I'm not surprised Shi zhiyong got this strong.
someone like Nijhat Rahimov was certainly on even more gear and also "naturally talented". Still can't hit Shi's power and strength numbers or even match his snatch as a heavier athlete. He's a freak of nature w/ or w/o gear.
@@trtnec like all things gear affects people differently. there is all the fact we dont know what gear he is on? who knows what china has come up with.
@@jarrett7977 no kidding they’re all on gear, my point is though that he would still dominate just as much or possibly even more if no one was on gear, as every top nation would fall off accordingly - and this already has happened to a degree. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that as performance has gotten “worse” in each era (the sport is cleaner now than in the past, even with all the corruption), China’s gap over the rest of the world (eastern bloc nations mainly) has widened. US and some western EU have fared better in this “cleaner” era as well.
Dude what are you talking about that guy has one of the most precise technique if you talk about snatch or clean. You are great commentator but you don't have a good eye for technical aspects of a lift
He's a good technician, I've always said that, but the thing that separates him isn't his technique. There are other athletes in the category that move better, but no one is as strong as him.
@@WeightliftingHouse name one :D jk bro I'm sorry I didn't mean to sound like a jerk, but I still think his trajectory is one of the best. And the lack of footwork is specific for chinese, I have also done analysis in snatch technique of elite weighlifters in slovakia and lack of footwork surprisingly does often not mean that getting under the bar is any slower than when you "jump".
Want to out-power clean Shi? weightlifting.ai/
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The gasps in the crowd after the 190 kg power clean at worlds is one of the coolest weightlifting moments.
Check out the crowd on 0:55 for the first clean of Lu Xiaojun in his junior world championship as a -69: ua-cam.com/video/0TklQ40Bm-g/v-deo.html
“AA-Aayyyyyyy EEEEyyyyy” it’s all in the two power words that he uses
Power words are real. My power word is WHOIP. It actually only comes out if my technique is good and I use a lot of power. It's the sign of a good clean.
@@justmarc2015 wtf 🤣🤣🤣
One action +2 Strength. Can be used as a bonus action.
Not wo chao ? 🤣
WO CAO
I love the smugness of Shi, he knows he is the fucking bomb
This makes you wonder about Liao hui in 2015. He weighed 73.72 kg and snatched 170 and did clean and almost jerk 211. I wonder what lifts he would would have done if his class was 73kg and not 69kg.
so strong! watching so many different clips of him in this video also emphasized that crazy muscle imbalance he has in his legs. also, lu announcing today he is training for Paris probably means he is going to battle shi for the 73kg spot - should be super interesting
there is no way lu will go to 73 xD
@@michapoczatek4846 he currently weights 74kg - I can't see him gaining enough weight to get to 89 when he was already pushing it to get to 81
What muscle imbalances?
Lol muscle imbalance? And proceeds to power clean with ease over 400lbs...
He is unbeatable atleast for the next 8-10 years.
Lu’s going down to 73. Going to give Shi a run for his money.
as long as he stays injury free tbh
I would not be so sure
@@alexmoon3130 lol no he won't
that dosn't aged well
Amazing video, guys. And it is always lovely to hear Max's funny and smart commentaries
Videos like this are awesome. You guys are killing it!
His profile is „really fuckin strong at everything“
The different coloured lifting shoes are such a flex
No secret just speed strength and WO CAO !!!
this made my day so hard 2 years later
in a Squat Jerk Journalist video, Shi said his best back squat was 270kg
In fact, there are videos on Chinese websites of him training to pull 280 kilograms hard, and it looks like he can go even higher to 290 kilograms. Of course weightlifters rarely push themselves to their limit weight, which makes little sense.
My favorite style of video so far
Keep this going!!!
Get Josh in on it and get super nerdy!
the secret is the fishing
Shi zhiyong my favourite lifter in the world right now this guy is close to beating the guys above his weight class. He a beast and a straight g
Thanks for all of these informative videos!
Love the Seb and Max team!
Is his torso really that long though? Compared to the length of his legs, femurs, it is above the average, but to say that he has _such_ a long lever is an overstatement imo, just compare his head to his torso for example ....
He looks relatively normal compared to Tian Tao or Ilya proportion wise.
exactly, that's my only point of disagreement here - in the grand scheme of people who do weightlifting, sure he might have slightly short femur to torso ratio, but for the class he competes in he is neither short nor short-legged, which is one of the reasons why I think his snatch is so huge compared to the rest in the field. I also wish you guys showed him stand under the rim and grab it without taking any steps too - this is certainly another reason he is able to power so much. Lastly, the "Chinese style", if you will, of cleans (always a high contact point) also is slightly favorable to power cleaning.
He has a shorter torso than every other chinese lifter at or below his weightclass.
@@fmls8266 yeah he's honestly kinda leggy. I feel like that's got longer legs which explains the wider stance and stronger pull.
@@MaestroJericho Pulling strenght is also a sign yes, and compare the clean starting position with Tian Tao, it's very evident there he's got longer legs to torso ratio
Great analysis! Thank you!
I dont know what you guys are seeing. He doesn't have a long torso. Lu Xiaojun has a long torso. This man is more medium torso.
I think you have missed his 194 power clean video... it was an internal chinese team competition. He did 194 power clean & jerk. And also his best c&j (in video at least) i think it is 205
Yesterday was one internal team competition but i dont know if he was in it
Wasn't that as a heavy 69 back then which is basically around 73?
@@MaestroJericho 194 power clean was around 2 years ago i think
@@MaestroJericho it was done in 2020
his best C&J on video is 206
Hearing Seb say that an athlete’s snatch grip dead lift should be similar to their front squat really makes me feel how biased I am towards the dead lift 😂
I'd say up to 10% is normal, assuming you've been at it for a while. Mine is like like 2% over (170 to 172.5,) though my proportions make for terrible pulls.
@@christopherroberts2500 hmm how would this ratio apply to a novice with a 240kg conventional deadlift, after a beltless 215kg first attempt, and another beltless 225kg second attempt, because they didn't notice they were beltless at all. would a 225kg front squat be completely absurd expectations, or is it quite standard?
What novice is hitting either of those numbers? Come on.
@@jamies9083 novice in weightlifting maybe. I think they're a former powerlifter
They are talking about snatch deadlift, not snatch-grip conventional deadlift. big difference between the two.
front squatting in the womb
Shi admits he powers everything. That’s probably why he looks more comfortable powering and doing as such a high ratio.
Brute strength. Simply as that. As you said, there are better technicians than him but at the end of the day weightlifting is a speedy STRENGHT sport. Not a ballet where you get extra points for better technique like in gymnastics for example.
Chinese lifters tend to contact at hips w/ clean as opposed to lifters from everywhere else in the world where they contact at mid thigh… Chinese clean technique: higher contact point higher the bar goes !
I think the choice to hip clean is mainly driven by arm length vs torso length.
@@lukeg378 for most lifters yes, but Chinese lifters tend to bend arms or widen grip/stance to hit that high power point, if they can't hit it by default. Just look at Shi as an example.
Shi is so OP
Shi is super strong.
Gf: excuse me?
Me: what???
@6:30 why would anyone pretend to do this? I don't get what it has to do with hard training elite weightlifters? Is it because they get pushed to a limit they're not willing to push through beyond failure?
Short answer: WOOOOCAO
What are those marks on his delts? Does the Chinese team use some kind of traditional cupping treatment?
Seb. I’m hoping to ask for the impossible but could you guys do the same thing on Karlos Nassar? Jeezus I’m so curious about his training and etc when it’s not world records pls
My man is just *built different*
Great insights! Powercleaning on his opening lift in the worlds is definitely a flex move. I'm curious to know what would be another sports equivalent of that? The only thing I can think of is Babe Ruth calling his shot during the 1932 World Series. Love the duo BTW.
ua-cam.com/video/XsKr4FX9y0w/v-deo.html
Scoring like this against the strongest goalkeeper of that time
@@fmls8266 While I agree with you that scoring against a top tier goalie such as Oliver Khan would be impressive, I don't believe it would be a flex move. What Shi did was a statement move as if to say to the field that everyone is beneath him and no one can touch him. Muhamad Ali standing over Sonny Liston, yelling at him to get up is another one that comes to mind.
The lookaway swish from halfcourt that Steph Curry did during the 2022 All-Star game ought to rank up there.
Dunking from the free throw line
Shi is a gigachad
Seb saying your front squat should be heavier than your snatch deadlift meanwhile me “isn’t my best snatch dead 170 for two, and my best FS 151”
Im gonna guess you have long limbs and a short torso lol
Doesn’t he have the same front squat as cj? So it has to be back strength, I mean the Chinese do pull a lot.
That's exactly it
I hate the whole ‘C&J equal to frontsquat’ point because in actual reality, if you can C&J something, you can absolutely front squat more.
The athletes in question may not have actually done it, but they absolutely would be capable of doing it if they tried.
@@matthewmckee6289 it's confusing, but he meant CJ Cummings
@@trtnec bruh. yeah okay that makes sense lol.
still stand by my point though.
Can you please do a video about Gabriel Sincarian, his technique is one of the best
He said he only train technical movement. Besides Shi hates muscle training, like Lu xiaojun.
he mogs the shit out of every other 73. It’s like he’s in a different category
My uneducated opinion is that it's a combination of great training, extreme natural talent and a body that is just perfect for this, considering length of different limbs compared to each other. And ofcourse, experience and extremely polished technique.
u just listed every factor that could matter 😂
What? Doesn't Max know your snatch is half your deadlift smh 😤😤?
Max probably never done fahves in his program
^^^^ Curious about those 3 bruises/contusions on his left shoulder?
that's chinese cupping therapy.
That was great
Bro kept his Shi straight
This was truly remarkable.
To The Gills
That's not the reason
Am I stupid or is the fs @5:00 230, not 210?
No you are right!
Hahaha I was also questioning myself... I was like huh? Don't they count the bar weight aswell? Hahaha
Well remember with that 194 he was injure on that competition, so yeah looks harder but he wast 100%,,,, not saying max point is wrong , never really going to say that the dude know more about weight-lifting on his pinky that I would ever learn.
Lu is going to compete at the next olympics!
I’m out here not even able to do this in lbs
100% Commitment & Belief (heart & mind)
Does anyone know what are those red circles on his left shoulder?
Cupping (alternative medicine)
Wow, she is strong
Thought this was going to actually tell me how he does it not stroke him off for 30min
5:05…how is that 210? That clearly 230 Brother.
Yeah 230
Also Pertti Hynni power cleaned 195kg(sic!) in finnish championships 2005, heavyweight but he was 45yo at that time xD
how can someone weightlift at 45? the hormone are down, no
@@amans6504 You don’t lose the ability to Olympic lift due to lower hormones. You lose it the less you do it.
@@amans6504 Olympic Weightlifters aren't natural so this isn't a problem for them.
@@zemm9003 they're natural bro
You're forgetting they pull 1rm fast too. Because that's how they train
Aitaaaaa
I mean, why squat twice when you only need to do it once?
He likes the squat jerk, but it'll be weaker if he has to full clean a rep first. Makes sense, really. Save it for the squat jerk if you can just power clean it.
Off topic but what’s meso up to?
Building up to compete at 102
Is it possible to get that strong and be free of PED’s?
ped will not get you that power or strength
That’s a power snatch (nuts).
Those vitamins he's taking probably helps.
Who cares, everyone is on PEDs
No that's clearly irrelevant to the question
No it is creatine
I humbly disagree that Shi is not the best technician out there, besides him and LU I would put Apti there as well as 3 best technicians in the last 12 years
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Shorter femur + longer torso = easier to squat in an upright position
Answer: noodles and wo cao
Wait! Wait! Doing a bigger bench press won't help your shot putting? That's just ignorance about the shot put. OK, I agree but then bench press doesn't really do all that much for shot putting in the first place. Its at best an assistance exercise next to leg power. Depending upon upper body strength to throw the shot is the key to a short career as a shotputter on account of noncompetitve distances thrown.
Love how the chinese dont shrug in cleans or snatches. I’ve followed suit and my lifts have never been cleaner or smoother. My turnover os waaaaay faster too and just all round smoother. I think people over shrug which can mess up bar path turnover etc. Thank you Deng Wei
1 genetics
2 super creatine
3 training, nutrition, recovery etc.
Answer: He's strong.
his technique is the literal opposite of Hossain Rezazadeh 😂
well because the Olympics is highly valued by China as a way to promote its image, and weightlifting is one of China's most competitive sport, so they'll scout the most talented kids since they were maybe five or six, put these kids through rounds and rounds of grueling tests and eliminations, and the ones that eventually make it to the provincial (state) team are top notch genetic monsters. On top of that, their lives revolve around weightlifting, forget going to public schools like a normal kid, their lives become lifting, and they're trained by veterans. Let's not forget China has 1.4 billion people to provide that massive pool, honestly I'm not surprised Shi zhiyong got this strong.
lv xiao jun wasnt scouted if you watch his interview
How the hell are his knees so strong to support these big weights!? Then there's me struggling to squat 140kg for risk of breaking my knees.
Are your knees made of glass?
Power cleaning for me is easier than squat cleaning.
Well that's a problem
Wocao power explained
У этого парня нечеловеческая сила!
obv it's the power of wocao!
Just need to get this out of my system, the name mispronounciations bug me.
Edit: Despite that, I do enjoy every bit of the video
genes
Hes strong and hes on gear
Bro they’re all on gear if they want to be competitive at that level
Shi Zhistrong!!
he's incredibly strong. but not at weighted dips.
That 230 wasn't that quick to be honest
Not sure what they meant by that one
and the fact he has more gear in him than a pharmacy, also he is naturally talented.
someone like Nijhat Rahimov was certainly on even more gear and also "naturally talented". Still can't hit Shi's power and strength numbers or even match his snatch as a heavier athlete. He's a freak of nature w/ or w/o gear.
@@trtnec like all things gear affects people differently. there is all the fact we dont know what gear he is on? who knows what china has come up with.
@@trtnec freak of nature yes, but he aint hitting those numbers without gear, get real. It is well known that most countries do not lift clean.
@@jarrett7977 no kidding they’re all on gear, my point is though that he would still dominate just as much or possibly even more if no one was on gear, as every top nation would fall off accordingly - and this already has happened to a degree. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that as performance has gotten “worse” in each era (the sport is cleaner now than in the past, even with all the corruption), China’s gap over the rest of the world (eastern bloc nations mainly) has widened. US and some western EU have fared better in this “cleaner” era as well.
@@trtnec ah yes I understand your point now, yeah I agree with that!
The answer depends on your age.
You wanna see his real strength? Fast forward to 4:00 -- ua-cam.com/video/n-tUn3kcHdo/v-deo.html
"WO CAO" lol.................
could be the strength could be the juice lol
Oh come on. No other lifter powers this much of their full. That is obviously not the reason
Simple. By being short.
Pharmacology!
No not the reason clearly
wo cao
+1
Dude what are you talking about that guy has one of the most precise technique if you talk about snatch or clean. You are great commentator but you don't have a good eye for technical aspects of a lift
He's a good technician, I've always said that, but the thing that separates him isn't his technique. There are other athletes in the category that move better, but no one is as strong as him.
@@WeightliftingHouse name one :D jk bro I'm sorry I didn't mean to sound like a jerk, but I still think his trajectory is one of the best. And the lack of footwork is specific for chinese, I have also done analysis in snatch technique of elite weighlifters in slovakia and lack of footwork surprisingly does often not mean that getting under the bar is any slower than when you "jump".
Genetics, mindset and R O I D S. He Aint getting it from your soy lattes Seb
chinese special vitamins
No
Spoken by two guys who look as though they've never trained.
Max has squatted 325kg
石皇高翻，我艹