I've got one in 200 grit as well on my T-4. I use a computer program to set my angle. I like mine enough to consider getting another grit and get me smoother before proceeding to the Japanese water stone as a final finish. I'm a hobby knife maker and use this to establish an initial edge after I grind the bevel. I run my CBN wet and put it in my tempering oven at 250 degrees when I'm done.
I've noticed people refer the CBN as diamond wheel more often than not. I was taking that into account when doing the thumbnail. The guys that know the difference know its CBN. If I get many more comments on this perhaps I need to go the more accurate name and let the guys that don't know whats CBN is figure it out.
Yes, It would fit. Tormek, WEN, Jet, and others all have the same 12mm arbor shaft. P_G uses a Tormek SJ-250 Japanese wheel on a WEN, look for the videos of that here on his channel.
Do you have any recommendations for home users? I have wet stones that I purchased from a well known online store but have not been able to get the hang of getting that angle correctly. I would love to find something that even someone like me could use to learn on and keep once I become proficient. BTW, will you uploading any more videos? If so, could you maybe go over how to figure out what angle the knife needs and how to actually find that angle when sharpening? Hope all is well and I look forward to any advice you are willing to share.
Tormek sells several different sharpeners that accepts jigs to solve angle issues. Or look at “wicked edge “sharpener. The wen works much like tormek but you need to buy jigs from tormek. Some don’t fit as well on other brands. But they do work. Any sharpener take some practice with angle being the most common problem. I started this channel when I was shut down due to Covid. Now I’m busy again and don’t have any new videos planned.
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER Sad to hear you dont have anything new planned, Great content from what I have seen so far. Glad to hear your not posting because you got busy and not because you got COVID lol
This information is in my videos SG250 set to 150-ish grit then sj250 at 4000g it works great for me and fast enough for customers who are waiting at the farmers market
There are other UA-camrs they get the cheaper ones from Wood Turners. They’re called the Spartan wheels. I have them as well. I don’t have the tornado My other friend Paul did a test on UA-cam although Wood Turner doesn’t clean they can be running water. He has tested them to be OK to be run with water but he suggests to add honerite solution, I’ve tried it as well. They work fine.
I find it a hard comparison to make. This wheel was used some before I got it to test so let me tell you my experience with the cbn/ diamond wheels I use for serrated knives. When new the 220 grit belts and the 220 grit can wheels seem to be the same. Perhaps the LOUD nuggets are rougher with the cbn. But these break off fast and then the cbn seems finer than the sanding belts. But still the cutting action seems to be a touch faster/cooler than the belts. That said I prefer using the sg250 due to it holding a rough texture (200grit?) to remove metal fast. (no resurfacing needed all day. So it I was buying a CBN wheel id look at 180 grit if they have it. With my process I spend 3/4 of the sharpening time on this rough stone. I need speed. The second wheel "very fine scotchbrite type finishing wheel(hard)" this smooths out the rough ground surface with a slightly softer contact area to be a bit forgiving on angle. This does slightly round the apex but a couple passes on the 4000 Grit SJ250 cuts a sharp apex again. A single fast pass on the felt polishing wheel removes any small burr that is persistent. 1-2 minuets per knife with about 1 in 10 knives taking a few minutes longer to straiten out. I kinda went overboard explained the answer, but hope it helps.
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER I mean when you grind the burrs, you need to spread to close the blades to fold the burr back, then hone, then cut off the finer burr. I am referring to the twice as sharp method. Anyway, great info!
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER they cost me $ 215 in a place with delivery to Ukraine. write in a message and I will send you the contacts of the manufacturer's factory.
It hurts me to see how u grind on a CBN without water 💦 this is the problem of almost all sellers off CBN Wheels u loose warranty if u run wet. Only me and the Australien sell this without loosing warranty if u grind wet
Cliff Stamp they have to because most sellers give no warranty if u run it wet. only 2 sellers worldwide give warranty if u run wet. One off them is me 😂👍
@@schleifjunkies What is the argument for that? Is the water supposed to damage the bond? If you run the wheels try you just increase friction and risk overheating the edge. What is the argument those are positive?
I was told the CBN is held on with a metal plating process. This is held on with a different metal and then actually on the aluminum is yet another metal. One of these layers can become corroded and delam when wet. I did try it wet and prefered it. it was cooler. But I wanted to use it as instructed and it was nice to not have a wet mess around it for once. Once I returned the cbn and put back my sg250 I do prefer the softness of this stone over the metal. Its just what I am use to, I suspect, as well as the edges having a slight slope for knives that need it.
Hey have you ever ruined a really expensive knife for a customer? ior had a customer send in a ridiculously damaged knife where itwas just laughable the amount of steel that would need removing? if you have could you do a comedy video for entertainment sakes maybe, explaining some bloopers. I always find these kind of stories funny, I've been repairing tools and sharpening on the side for awhile now, and sometimes people hand me the most busted up cheap knives, and I just think to myself, why don't you go and buy a new one, this must only cost about £5 int he first place.
Twice I ruined the customers item. The first was a old lady who was using fabric scissors to cut chicken for years. The grease almost stopped them from opening. I have a soft spot for old lady’s and tried to help her out. I took them apart to clean and lost the screw in the washing process. I wasn’t setup to wash parts at the farmers market. I bought her a pair of take apart kitchen scissors cost $12. She was delighted. Then two months ago a pocket knife came in with a black blade. He wanted it “extra sharp” at the last moment before sharpening I decided to give it a 15 deg angle. Mistake! The tormek was really grabbing the steel at that angle and it slipped and the grind line messed up some black. I showed him the problem and I could see he cared, some don’t. The problem is it was a unique,rare tool steel blade and was not available. eBay had 3 listed. All said new but one looks like it was sharpened before. It was $350, the other two were $500 each. I got the lesser for $300. I sold his for $160. Total cost to me $160 with fees. I’ve now raised my prices across the board and pocket knives went up the most to cover this problem. $9. Each
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER Damn shame about that guys coated blade, you were good for getting him another one, lucky ebay had some in stock. I have a similar sweet spot for elderly people and it sometimes costs me money. Like my Grandfather is head grounds keeper at our local allotments, and I repair all of his gardening tools free of charge, and there is a bunch of pensioners there who he helps with their gardening jobs on the grounds, and sometimes I get a bag full of random peoples gardening tools, long shears, hoes, corkscrew drilling instruments that need to be re shafted and riveted, old rusty pruning secateurs. last weekend I had about 10 sets of scissors and secateurs caked up with mud and rust I couldn't even open half of them haha. Then I fix them all up with sharpening rods and belt sanders and I feel bad charging them, so I do it for free, end up doing like 2 hours work for no charge. But they do sometimes give me fresh vegetables and fruit when harvest time comes, I feel like some sort of medieval tool repair guy, getting paid in bags of vegetbles :)
Now there’s a Swedish company that only charges $20 US for shipping for their CBN wheels and they claim they can be run in water normal water tapwater. That company is slipakniven. Then I don’t know if you heard about the other German company that you can run them in normal tapwater as well they’re called shcleifjunkies I have them as well and all of Tormek’s. I like ones that clean, they can be run in water in a wet trough system
Are you still in business? U and your channel are very interesting I learned lot from you that I’m opening my own business thank you . You have any Instagram or Twitter account plz plz plz I need your help
@@atlasking6213 fees are between 8-12% You will need insurance. Look up for markets and I check Yelp. Looking at pictures I see if there is a sharpener already. But it’s best to show up and find the market manager. Have a professional flier to leave behind. If you can’t get in that market the Mgr might pass it along to another. That’s how I got my best market. Busy markets want you to fit in a 10’x10’ space. Good markets are full of vendors and probably and a waiting list. But sharpeners tend to be preferred vendor. Out here getting in a good market is impossible. I got lucky and really my setup looked far better (tent back then) Get good signage. We have an outfit here that has a awful looking setup and they do a bad job too boot. Image important. Your markets might be seasonal out there. Check for stores that might let you setup in their lot. Out here we have a fabric chain store. A sharpener goes to each one every other month. The store reminds customers in their mailers. He does very very well.
I've got one in 200 grit as well on my T-4. I use a computer program to set my angle. I like mine enough to consider getting another grit and get me smoother before proceeding to the Japanese water stone as a final finish. I'm a hobby knife maker and use this to establish an initial edge after I grind the bevel. I run my CBN wet and put it in my tempering oven at 250 degrees when I'm done.
I appreciate the perspective, also nice to know how these run at tormek speeds
Very good review. Just don't confuse what is being reviewed. This is a review of a diamond wheel, not a CBN (cubic boron nitride) wheel.
I've noticed people refer the CBN as diamond wheel more often than not. I was taking that into account when doing the thumbnail. The guys that know the difference know its CBN. If I get many more comments on this perhaps I need to go the more accurate name and let the guys that don't know whats CBN is figure it out.
If you cut the fingers of latex gloves and put it over that magnet, you can remove the metal dust early then put a new finger on it
That's a good idea... thanks for that.
That's a great idea! I attach a magnet with a piece of tape on the outside of the water tub.
Great wheel! Thanks a lot for your presentation!
Did you check to see if the CBN wheel would work on the Wen? I wonder if other grinding wheels (or strops) meant for the Tormek fit the Wen.
Yes, It would fit. Tormek, WEN, Jet, and others all have the same 12mm arbor shaft. P_G uses a Tormek SJ-250 Japanese wheel on a WEN, look for the videos of that here on his channel.
Do you have any recommendations for home users? I have wet stones that I purchased from a well known online store but have not been able to get the hang of getting that angle correctly. I would love to find something that even someone like me could use to learn on and keep once I become proficient. BTW, will you uploading any more videos? If so, could you maybe go over how to figure out what angle the knife needs and how to actually find that angle when sharpening? Hope all is well and I look forward to any advice you are willing to share.
Tormek sells several different sharpeners that accepts jigs to solve angle issues. Or look at “wicked edge “sharpener. The wen works much like tormek but you need to buy jigs from tormek. Some don’t fit as well on other brands. But they do work. Any sharpener take some practice with angle being the most common problem.
I started this channel when I was shut down due to Covid. Now I’m busy again and don’t have any new videos planned.
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER Sad to hear you dont have anything new planned, Great content from what I have seen so far. Glad to hear your not posting because you got busy and not because you got COVID lol
Nice info. Keep the videos coming. Much appreciated.
You said you run 4 grinders at a time. Have you made a video about that set up?
Thanks
Thank you for the video. Do you go for 200 CBN wheel to 4000 tormek stone? And hos is that working
This information is in my videos
SG250 set to 150-ish grit then sj250 at 4000g it works great for me and fast enough for customers who are waiting at the farmers market
WoodTurners Wonders has multiple radius edges CBN wheels. Is there a reason you wouldn't select one of their radius edge wheels?
They said they don’t make radius wheels anymore. That’s probably the number one reason.
Thanks for the videos, I really appreciate them :)
I know this is an old video but Tormek has wheels like this don't they? What do you think of those?
I don’t have any experience with them. But I’d expect it to be the same
Thank you for your review and opinion. I value your experience.
How do you measure to find where 15 degrees on the wheel for freehand sharpening
I use the Tormek angle gauge. Then I use 1/4" amateur wire to mark the contact point. The knife is held as flat as possible on every wheel
Ok thanks . I see now I watched a few more of your videos i get it now
I guess those are the tornado by Wood Turners
There are other UA-camrs they get the cheaper ones from Wood Turners. They’re called the Spartan wheels. I have them as well. I don’t have the tornado My other friend Paul did a test on UA-cam although Wood Turner doesn’t clean they can be running water. He has tested them to be OK to be run with water but he suggests to add honerite solution, I’ve tried it as well. They work fine.
Is the 200 grit on a CBN equivalent to like 200 grit sandpaper? It's much smoother than 200 grit sandpaper.
I find it a hard comparison to make. This wheel was used some before I got it to test so let me tell you my experience with the cbn/ diamond wheels I use for serrated knives.
When new the 220 grit belts and the 220 grit can wheels seem to be the same. Perhaps the LOUD nuggets are rougher with the cbn. But these break off fast and then the cbn seems finer than the sanding belts. But still the cutting action seems to be a touch faster/cooler than the belts. That said I prefer using the sg250 due to it holding a rough texture (200grit?) to remove metal fast. (no resurfacing needed all day. So it I was buying a CBN wheel id look at 180 grit if they have it. With my process I spend 3/4 of the sharpening time on this rough stone. I need speed. The second wheel "very fine scotchbrite type finishing wheel(hard)" this smooths out the rough ground surface with a slightly softer contact area to be a bit forgiving on angle. This does slightly round the apex but a couple passes on the 4000 Grit SJ250 cuts a sharp apex again. A single fast pass on the felt polishing wheel removes any small burr that is persistent. 1-2 minuets per knife with about 1 in 10 knives taking a few minutes longer to straiten out.
I kinda went overboard explained the answer, but hope it helps.
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER Thanks! I appreciate the detailed explanation!
We want more videos! We want more videos! Everyone chant with me, we want more videos! 😁
That tormek only one direction?
Yes
Any reason why the tormek diamond wheels wouldn't be as useful?
Is the wheel Diamond or Cubic Boron Nitride? These are two different materials.
he say CBN
Shouldn't you spread to close 5-6 times to for a large burr on scissors??
I’m not sure what you are saying. But every pair needs what it needs to raise a burr. Not a large burr but a burr with out gaps
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER I mean when you grind the burrs, you need to spread to close the blades to fold the burr back, then hone, then cut off the finer burr. I am referring to the twice as sharp method. Anyway, great info!
9:10 with this shot you can see the edges have less grit and are shinier.
Why are you calling this a diamond wheel
Just subscribed, awesome content 👏
Hello, you happen to have a link for that wheel?
Here is the info on my wheel
MSC 8x1x3 9sfin
(9=hardness/sfin =super fine)
81244113
Msc also seems to have cheaper 3” hubs
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER ok thank you!
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CBN or Cubic Boron Nitride it is not a diamond... They have different shape. Diamond much aggressive... And after diamond more scratches...
I can tell you where I buy these wheels for $115
$115? No where. But for $200 look at woodturningwonders.com
Or google (cbn sharpening wheels for Tormek)
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER they cost me $ 215 in a place with delivery to Ukraine.
write in a message and I will send you the contacts of the manufacturer's factory.
It hurts me to see how u grind on a CBN without water 💦 this is the problem of almost all sellers off CBN Wheels u loose warranty if u run wet. Only me and the Australien sell this without loosing warranty if u grind wet
Why do people want them run dry?
Cliff Stamp they have to because most sellers give no warranty if u run it wet. only 2 sellers worldwide give warranty if u run wet. One off them is me 😂👍
@@schleifjunkies What is the argument for that? Is the water supposed to damage the bond? If you run the wheels try you just increase friction and risk overheating the edge. What is the argument those are positive?
@@CliffStamp i also cant understand why. because off that i do the opposit
I was told the CBN is held on with a metal plating process. This is held on with a different metal and then actually on the aluminum is yet another metal. One of these layers can become corroded and delam when wet. I did try it wet and prefered it. it was cooler. But I wanted to use it as instructed and it was nice to not have a wet mess around it for once. Once I returned the cbn and put back my sg250 I do prefer the softness of this stone over the metal. Its just what I am use to, I suspect, as well as the edges having a slight slope for knives that need it.
Hey have you ever ruined a really expensive knife for a customer? ior had a customer send in a ridiculously damaged knife where itwas just laughable the amount of steel that would need removing? if you have could you do a comedy video for entertainment sakes maybe, explaining some bloopers. I always find these kind of stories funny, I've been repairing tools and sharpening on the side for awhile now, and sometimes people hand me the most busted up cheap knives, and I just think to myself, why don't you go and buy a new one, this must only cost about £5 int he first place.
Twice I ruined the customers item. The first was a old lady who was using fabric scissors to cut chicken for years. The grease almost stopped them from opening. I have a soft spot for old lady’s and tried to help her out. I took them apart to clean and lost the screw in the washing process. I wasn’t setup to wash parts at the farmers market. I bought her a pair of take apart kitchen scissors cost $12. She was delighted.
Then two months ago a pocket knife came in with a black blade. He wanted it “extra sharp” at the last moment before sharpening I decided to give it a 15 deg angle. Mistake! The tormek was really grabbing the steel at that angle and it slipped and the grind line messed up some black. I showed him the problem and I could see he cared, some don’t. The problem is it was a unique,rare tool steel blade and was not available. eBay had 3 listed. All said new but one looks like it was sharpened before. It was $350, the other two were $500 each. I got the lesser for $300. I sold his for $160. Total cost to me $160 with fees. I’ve now raised my prices across the board and pocket knives went up the most to cover this problem. $9. Each
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER Damn shame about that guys coated blade, you were good for getting him another one, lucky ebay had some in stock. I have a similar sweet spot for elderly people and it sometimes costs me money. Like my Grandfather is head grounds keeper at our local allotments, and I repair all of his gardening tools free of charge, and there is a bunch of pensioners there who he helps with their gardening jobs on the grounds, and sometimes I get a bag full of random peoples gardening tools, long shears, hoes, corkscrew drilling instruments that need to be re shafted and riveted, old rusty pruning secateurs. last weekend I had about 10 sets of scissors and secateurs caked up with mud and rust I couldn't even open half of them haha. Then I fix them all up with sharpening rods and belt sanders and I feel bad charging them, so I do it for free, end up doing like 2 hours work for no charge. But they do sometimes give me fresh vegetables and fruit when harvest time comes, I feel like some sort of medieval tool repair guy, getting paid in bags of vegetbles :)
Now there’s a Swedish company that only charges $20 US for shipping for their CBN wheels and they claim they can be run in water normal water tapwater. That company is slipakniven. Then I don’t know if you heard about the other German company that you can run them in normal tapwater as well they’re called shcleifjunkies I have them as well and all of Tormek’s. I like ones that clean, they can be run in water in a wet trough system
Are you still in business? U and your channel are very interesting I learned lot from you that I’m opening my own business thank you .
You have any Instagram or Twitter account plz plz plz I need your help
Yes I am. Business is booming now. What city are you based at?
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER I’m in Virginia, how farmers markets works where can I sign up and how much usually cost please.
@@atlasking6213 fees are between 8-12%
You will need insurance. Look up for markets and I check Yelp. Looking at pictures I see if there is a sharpener already. But it’s best to show up and find the market manager. Have a professional flier to leave behind. If you can’t get in that market the Mgr might pass it along to another. That’s how I got my best market.
Busy markets want you to fit in a 10’x10’ space. Good markets are full of vendors and probably and a waiting list. But sharpeners tend to be preferred vendor.
Out here getting in a good market is impossible. I got lucky and really my setup looked far better (tent back then)
Get good signage. We have an outfit here that has a awful looking setup and they do a bad job too boot. Image important.
Your markets might be seasonal out there.
Check for stores that might let you setup in their lot.
Out here we have a fabric chain store. A sharpener goes to each one every other month. The store reminds customers in their mailers. He does very very well.