The Sense of Speed in Forza Horizon Games is…gone
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- FORZA HORIZON GAMES SENSE OF SPEED COMPARISON
FORZA HORIZON 1 SENSE OF SPEED
FORZA HORIZON 2 SENSE OF SPEED
FORZA HORIZON 3 SENSE OF SPEED
FORZA HORIZON 4 SENSE OF SPEED
FORZA HORIZON 5 SENSE OF SPEED
00:00 INTRO
00:42 SENSE OF SPEED COMPARISON
04:31 SUMMARY & FIXED GAMEPLAY!
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I tried to „fix“ it in newer titles, isn’t perfect but still good for the first try! 😂🤙🏾
Looks decent tbh! They could implement this for 400+ km/h I would dig it
needs more shakyness
That shakyness annoys me a lot, I would disable it
@@lagartopunkarra same i only like the motion blur or have a shakeyness level sim semi sim and arcade
Forza 7 has the best
definitely the first two games in the franchise are "more worked on" in gameplay, along with all the atmosphere, and the game itself. I hope they bring that back in the next Horizon.
They don't have to since they sell more and more copies each game no matter what they do
You speak the language of the Gods
@@falcongamer58 who cares if they don't have to ... we WANT them to. And there will be a certain point where they plateau in sells, especially when they make the next title on a console that will probably be harder to obtain than the series X.
@@falcongamer58 sorry bro for my mistakes, I'm don't speak English, I'm studying about the language, so sometimes it's hard to idealize my thoughts in a new language.
@@ricardofontes8437 no you didn't do anything wrong, i only said what they would realistically do
The increase from 30 to 60fps plays a major role in this
yes, as lower fps makes it seem faster. i play old gen consoles so fh5 is capped at 30fps for me, i think there is a great sense of speed. probably due to excessive motion blur to compensate
@@b4bnik true!
A smart man right here.
So for best results play on 30 fps eh. Why not 25 for that cinematic experience heh
I mean there are lot of other factors came to play but I never thought fps can also plays a major part of sense of speed factor too
The sense of speed is better in H5 than H4
Me when I drive the jesko I can surely feel it, and with more unstable cars going 300 kmh is understandable as well, take the 97 civic and reach 300 kmh for example 😁😅
Even more so in cockpit view
Yeah 0 - 200 km/h on FH4 felt real slow both in first and third person. Glad they improved that in 5.
Motorsport 4 is calling from the past to let everyone know they are super late lol
Personally I think it’s sad that formal horizon games went for realism over it’s really good unique art style that basically end with fh3 after that it’s all been about realism and I think we all know how that worked for fh4 and 5.
I mean yeah part of the low sense of speed in the later games is 'cause the camera is too smooth vs what FH1 and FH2 used to be, but the width of the roads play a mayor role on the sense itself, FH1 and FH2 had roads that weren't too wide per car lane, in FH1 you could fit 1 car per lane, but in FH3 onto FH5 it feels like you can fit 2 or 3 cars per lane, that and how "crowded" said roads are, not just NPC wise, but other stuff as well, i feel in FH5 sense of speed could be greatly improved if the roads were thinner and a change in FoV would help quite a lot there alongside a bit of camera shake, things would be a lot more believable
You can adjust the field of view for all camera modes in FH5.
@@aurastrike bigger FOV than 70 i meant, 'cause i have the FOV slider all the way to the max and still feels not fast enough
@@paburrito Pablo well spotted, you’re a legend…I personally also like the narrow roads more, I think they’re just making them this wide for beginners, considering it reached a lot of new & young forza memebers that aren’t as skilled as us forza veterans
@@fastlanegaming indeed, after all it was their most touted featured, the inclusivity for everyone to play it more casually, so is natural they're gonna make things more "accessible" for players of all kind and not just the more experienced part of the Forza racers, like it was originally on the first two FH games, kinda sucks but from a corporate perspective, is easy to tell why they'd make that trade off
In fm4 a vignette would form at I think 300kmh, and really gave it a fantastic sense of speed
Sense of speed was massively improved with the camera shake, but other factors also help with the experience, such as the car and effect sounds being louder and intense at higher speeds aswell as map design (with smaller and narrower areas)
Yup!
Also 21:9 aspect ratio and 120 fps
anti-alias: hi there
What makes sense of speed is also map design. An example is gta 5, the cars are super slow but they feel really quick because of the narrow, bumpy and crowded roads
Not only that, traffic is so busy this also plays a part
the roads in that game are far from that
To me GTA 5 feels too slow, specially flying or driving an open wheel car.
The roads in gta 5 are very wide, what are you on about? you can fit 2 and a half cars in 1 lane, it's beacuse of unrealistic bumpy roads. Incomparison, you can only fit 1.8 cars in a single lane irl
This has been one of the biggest gripes I always talk about with modern racers and the Hprizon series is the biggest offender. They have somehow forgotten the importance of translating a sense of speed to the player. I loved NFS Heat so much because they finally got it right after 2 games. Horizon needs to catch back up though. Horizon 1 and 2 did an awesome job and somehow it's become worse
Yeah nobody talks about the sense of speed in Heat. It has so much interactions with the HUD and a lot of on-screen effects but if only the game was better optimized and put some work inside I would go back and play it again. It makes you feel that you are in a really fast car and this just gives you goosebumps. I hope EA will fix everything in the next NFS!
I been playing FM4 and H1 on my 360 for quite some time with a DriveFX wheel and going over 400 KM/H in those games with the effects are fucking insane. It's like you're not supposed to go that fast to begin with but you can if you want and it's scary as hell! I missed the structured and more grounded games to reach that fast compared to the new titles which feels like you can just breath to get a supercar now.
@@vladoM914 Getting chased by the cops going over 200 MPH with the pursuit music going off is a blast! And it becomes fucking terrifying if you have low heath too!
What's hprizon?
NFS shift 2 with 300+kph and fpp is the craziest sense of speed.
6:30 That's some Dr.Strange stuff🤣. Driving in mirror dimension🤣
Ohhhhh yeah I remember Shift 2 being nuts at high speeds 😂🫡
I remember I couldnt see properly in the cockpit because of motion blur and high speed in shift 1 and 2 lmao.
I get the feels when i pass 120km in nfs prostreet ✊
NFS always nailed feel of speed
@Casual channel user In tpp Pro street's sense of speed is so good. But in Fpp Shift 2 is crazy.
one thing that would help with the feeling of speed would be when passing close to cars, trees, poles, signs and etc, it had a vacuum sound. this helped a lot, for example the burnout franchise, and another thing that would be cool is that oncoming vehicles would honk and would have the speed distortion, like in NFS Hot Pursuit
Doppler effect :)
Gran turismo players watching this like: 🗿
😂😂😂😂 true
Yes
Where 250mph looks like 80 💀
Not just GT even GRID players too lmao because the sense of speed in GRID Legends is just insane.
@@michaelhamilton4133
Makes you race better when everything feels slow.
60 MPH literally feels like 10 MPH, even on wheel. Great to see this being brought up
You know the saying. Old is gold.
Yea i notice that too
60MPH in 200MPH capable car also feels like 10MPH IRL
actually fh5 on pc you can configure settings to drastically improve sense of speed, namely fov and motion blur, it's not the best but it certainly improves it alot
It barely does anything my guy
It does nothing, but it's already good anyway. You should actually decrease the fov anyway. Just watch any sim racing FOV set up tutorial
It would actually be cool if the camera and hud shaked when reaching at least 250 km/h, making the speeds more impactful
it should depend on the car
In some modern cars you actually don't feel the speed
@@avatar94100 Such as the SSC Tuatara on the first top speed run!
@@elouandeltor931 on the first speed run there was a fake speedo
Kinda like in the old nfs games where ur driving and the speedometer shakes
lower frame rates i feel definitely play a roll in making the game play feel more dramatic but for most people smoother is better so maybe when using high frame rates they should allow for motion blur to simulate the feel of lower frames
I prefer the game to feel on the slower end because I want to be able to control my car easily. Unpopular opinion, but It's why I like FH4's sense of speed the most because it's the most like an actual sim racer where there's minimal camera shake obstructing your focus on the track.
@@jackcolson4745 there’s definitely lots of people who enjoy that, that’s why they should let them turn on and off motion blur and other options
@@JDT2309
I have motion blur on short mode because I get around 70-80 fps on mostly high gfx settings. If you have motion blur on long mode it muddies the image too much at higher framerates, which is exactly why I think the option was added for PC players playing at higher framerates. Actually I'm pretty sure the setting was designed for the one x version of FH4 because it was the first Horizon game to run at 60 hz.
Also if you're playing on PC, I recommend ultra motion blur settings because all the lower settings make my eyes hurt.
It's still nothing on NFS Heat's camera. Even the HUD gets displaced a bit. The minimap moves out of the border, which may seem like a glitch, but actually adds more to the sense of speed. I think that PG should add back camera motion as an optional feature in FH5 under the accessibility options, off by default of course for those with motion sickness.
NFS heat is nothing compared to Prostreet sense of speed
@@momoloco99rh One wrong move in Nevada and you're dead. 10/10 would go +400km/h and wrap my r34 skyline around a pole again.
@@momoloco99rh aww yes someone with taste, I loved Prostreet the girls dancing in the background are bae. I do have Heat Unite installed and I think that makes the camera even more fast feeling?
They should add an option to make the chase camera static. I can't play using a wheel when the camera is so delayed. In BeamNG, ACC, ABS2, and PC2, I can't play in 3rd person using a wheel.
@@momoloco99rh it's all because of the objects at the side of the road.
FH5 improved the sense of speed due to the longer motion blur and better interior car shake than FH3 & FH4. FH1 & FH2 feel fast due to the intense camera shake and the 30 FPS makes them feel like you are on edge unlike the smoother higher fps of FH3-5.
These days every game maker is
Removing motion blur, bloom, camera shake ... from their games
I hate it
I hope a new developer steps in and brings exactly those things into their game what others lack! TDU SC hopefully brings some of these things
Why not just make them options like fps games do?
0:02 OMAE WA SHINDEIRU!! 😶🌫️
I cant imagine doing an x class race with my screen shaking all over the place like that
That’s why we need the ability to turn it on / off, I personally would definitely feel the intensity racing like this at high speeds 😂
Fun fact that I came for myself:
You can look at mph and think that it is km/h and now it will feel more realistic.
For example: real speed is 200 mph and you take that fact you drive 200 km/h
I know what you mean! Sometimes I turn off the speedo to cruise arouns by the “feel” 😂
@@fastlanegaming but you still have speedometer in 1st person view
200km/h is still fast. Not as fast as 200mph, but still pretty fast.
I think they all do fairly well with high speeds. It’s the lower speeds that need help
In Grid Autosport
When you play on cockpit view
You'll see that your camera starts moving in the opposite direction of where your turning
It makes the whole gameplay more immersive even though It's blurry in the cockpit
Miss the LFA nurburgring edition, ford gtx1 and SLR mclaren the most
Also the 2015 Mustang and the 2013 focus st which got removed for no reason
Was playing Assetto Corsa yesterday on the Shutoku map. Very suprised at how fast 100kph/62mph felt. But I guess it's because the roads are narrower. That can do a lot for the sense of speed.
Is it just me or FH2 was the peak of horizon games
Top tier
I preferred 1. I don’t really like the location of FH2 but that’s just me
The last bit, if you try to ignore the trippy af affects on the road, actually looks really sick lol.
I'm sorry but this has to do with the 30fps in old games.
Fh5 310 mph feels like fh1 186 mph
Trueeeeee
@@fastlanegaming love your content
I've got a Ford Explorer to do 330 MPH with a glitch on FH1. The tire screech changes sound at 300 MPH. It looks ur having an earthquake at that speed.
Per pixel motion blur would definitely help, but it can be taxing on hardware. Would be nice to have it as an option though.
There's a way to semi fix it now that the hot wheels dlc is out, if you go to video or accessibility and set the motion blur to short. You can have the screen show the bottom blurred, but the top can go faster.
I feel like Horizon 4 was the worst contender, with 200 km/h feeling like 100. Honestly converting mph to kmh 1:1 was the best, 62 mph being kmh, 200 mph being 200 kmh in terms of sense of speed. I feel like Horizon 5 definitely has a better sense of speed, but not as drastic as Horizon 1
Horizon 3 wasn't much better.
@@1eyepaul Hate to say it but true. Rest of the game made up for it tho 💪
Imagine if forza horizon 5’s next expansion would be a remake of the original horizon…
I really hope so
@@randomentertainment8927 would be insane
Would be a cool way to celebrate Horizon's 10th anniversary, not to mention Colorado's straight north of Mexico
@@rodracer4567 we need it dude
yo that end was frikin sick yo
i mean minus the constant shitty screenshake that was in the previous games its basically the same id rather they keep it as is. its a simcade its got sim and arcade aspects but camera shake is toxic as fuck to the eyes
I’m telling you right now, playing
Racing games in 60fps kills speed like nothing else. That’s why I play Forza in quality mode. You can definitely see a difference in how the game feels.
That sounds backwards as all hell but ill try it
@@ninjascroll1017 so, how was it?
@@Sad_Chief it did feel faster but it was really blurry and felt less responsive. I switched back and forth for awhile but i ended up sticking with 60. They added motion blur options in a update so 60fps doesnt feel slow anymore with that on. The sense of speed could still be better but its alot better than before the update
Dude i remember the fear of crashing in Horizon 1&2 but ever since FH3, the screen shake and the lack of wheel control just poofed. (Although FH5 brought the Wheel shake back it isn't as good)
You can easily do 530km/h in FH5, and even something around 670km/h if you use a special eventlab that modifies the gravity just enough so it speeds you up instead of smashing you into the ground.
FH3 and onward they tried to take a more "realistic" approach, yet made any car going below 200mph feel like a casual sunday stroll
Don't worry hennessey venom f5 almost there v8 twin turbo 1817HP what a monster 💪👺
Thaf mf gotta be X Class stock 😂🗿
Part of its cause the lanes and the lines separating them are like 3 times larger making it seem like you’re moving slowly
Wow Nice Car and Good Video~😀
I doubt forza horizon developers can’t add a camera shaking effects on fh5, now let’s hope they do it
Whenever I hit the volcan sprint in my A class s2000, I’ll be doing 90-100 and it feels like I’m cruising about 40mph
In most games (especially shooters) Motion Blur is on by default and most people hate it and turn it off. And ofc it's missing in the only game where it's needed
id say
2/ 1/ 3/ 5/ 4
man i loved fh1 but wish they bringed back option to have that great sense of speed
Yeah I mean at least give us the option to turn it on for those wo want…!
It's fov and bigger roads. That's really all that changed
Brought*
fh2 was the peak imo, fh1 was good but not as refined
tho i have to say 400 kph in fh1 was scary
it’s “gone” because your looking at 120 fps games in the future now. old horizon games and gt5 have. a great view of that. gt7 doesn’t have a great sense of speed either but the sound of the wind and road as you turn feels like your going fast. fh5 has the camera shake and the fov being zoomed out on chase cam. it’s what fm 2023 needs to capitalize on
the motion blur idea is cool though, but would hurt my eyes during speedruns 😂
Honestly, the motion blur takes away from the sense of speed and FH5 has a really good sense of speed. For me it’s right behind FH2
First person with motion effects is just awesome. I love it
YOOO IS THAT A 2008 SHELBY SUPER CARS ULTIMATE AERODYNAMICS TWIN TURBO?!!!?
Now that's something I wanted in fh titles. According to your video bro fh1 has the best camera shake. But I think fh2 looks way balanced. I didn't have xbox one or 360 so couldn't play that beautiful game but I played fh3,4 and now playing 5 there is not that much camera shake. It will be amazing if forza could add the camera shake on/off button in forza titles. It will be amazing :D
surprised how much of a difference 60fps makes
also, map design, traffic congestion, it just feels so wide and empty and slow in the newer games.
In translation. By Horizon 2 released. The SOS was either nerfed or outright removed to focus on "Muh Horsepower" & performance. yet I some future Xbox consoles is powerful to enable SOS. Let alone PC releases/ports Because of customization.
End but is like a fever dream
the best racers that truly captured sense of speed in not just a realistic way but in a reasonable way where it wasnt over-pronounced would be the following games
1) DRIVECLUB (not only the best sense of speed but the damn wind noise is unparalleled. this game is 10 years ahead of its time and probably even more than that with the way games are)
2) NFS SHIFT 2 + SHIFT OG (that helmet cam is by far my favourite view mode of any racing game in history, more immersive than even psvr 2 and we talking well over a decade old)
3) FORZA HORIZON 1 (that camera shake is absolutely perfect, just enough and with proper movement)
4) MIDNIGHT CLUB LOS ANGELES (definitely not talking about the action viewmode, that thing was atrocious, a simple turn and u would get the sense that ur drifting)
5) NFS HOT PURSUIT 10' (arguably the most satisfying nos overall effect of any racing game, period, hitting top speeds in this game was so satisfying)
racers these days bring out the same dull emotion, whether ur doing 100 kph or 400 kph, it dont matter, no motion visualized whatsoever. there are times where it feels like the map is moving around ur vehicle and ur vehicle is standings still, i mean its ridiculous.
I’d like to point out that in Forza Horizon 5, certain parts on cars will shake at high speeds, such as the windshield wipers.
I get a little dizzy in Forza Horizon 1, that no longer happens, specially in the last 2 where I feel the driving is too smooth.
I get dizzy IRL when I drive too XD
i'm playing FH5 on 41fps (165hz monitor) on highest with long motion blur on
and it feels pretty fast with those settings
honestly they all look really similar only issue comes down to FPS and traffic. the older games look faster, but dropping the fps by going to 480p the sense of speed looks really similar. whenever any of the cars drove past another car the sense of speed felt a lot more realistic.
this is just an assumption, but I think the reason the sense of speed felt so lack luster is because of the placement of the motion blur. when you look sideways vs directly infront of you the sense of speed is significantly more dramatic so if you can apply motion blur to the area infront creating like a tunnel of blur you'd feel like you're going 200 at 120.
after skipping through the video a bit I feel my suspicions are confirmed. the camera shake makes the area infront of you look blurry which in turn adds a sense of speed it's not actually the shake itself (the shake gives more of a sense of power more than anything.)
FH3 feels the most "real" for me cus it has narrow roads in the city and more trafic. And the sense of speed is the highest I mean FH3 looks the fastest.
Having a "good game" means in modern terms, "we put 40% of the budget in graphics and the other 60% in marketing."
That horizon 1 camera shake is how it should be!
I recently discovered that the hood view in Horizon 5 is where it’s really at
I think if done right pincushion camera distortion would be really immersive going at high speeds.
its the field of view of each game keeps getting higher thats why it looks slower because you can see more and it is slower for a car to get off the screen
Oh, its not so bad for fh5. There's a little sense you're going fast, but definitely when it comes to feeling the *SPEED* *N* *POWA* , fh1 and fh2 are definitely the ones that feel like you're going fast
The "sense of speed" gave me heqdaches back when I used to play those old forza games.
Play in 30 fps and the feeling will be back
Its not really fair to have the first 3 games in tight areas with buildings (or night time to hide the rest of the world) because in bright day light in the newer games it is way easier for it to feel slow
FH3 camera: _____________________
FH1 camera: _-_~-/_~_-/|_~\|\-_~|/_~\\_
At least FH4’s high speed in first person feels fast, 5 is similar too. Camera shake on third person view is not necessarily pleasant when racing, but blurring what’s out of focus will help sell speed without disturbing the player too much.
Wind noise in cockpit view and even 3rd person added so much
Static camera totally kills sense of speed. I like what NFS Pro Street did at speed limit challenges, the sense of speed is insane there :D
Believe it or not, forza Horizon 1 servers are still active today! And there are people really dedicated to keep playing this amazing game online, I'm one of those people, my channel is basically focused on Forza Horizon 1, lol
"How would Forza look with Motion Blur added"
*Removes glases*
"I can't see shit!"
Its really weird how common it is for companies to make the same games over and over. Horizon 5 is horizon 1 with better graphics and some other changes
We need the thinner roads back
Man they need to bring the SSC back to forza it was such a cool car
You guys gotta see project cars, even project cars 3, I was driving an old w154 300 SL race car from 1954, slow as hell, going 171 KMH and I felt let I couldn’t control the car, I WAS AFRAID OF CRASHING
Honestly kind of bad examples of what I get you’re trying to say. You really should’ve drove on similar roads for them. Obviously 60mph is gonna be looking slower on a highway compared to passing a bunch of cars in a city.
I don't get wait you say.
FH3 was definitely the worst looks like car and camera are on tracks... But FH4 and 5 did a great job, not so "good" as FH2 but the shaky shaky isn't comfortable in the long run.
I definitely agree. Forza Horizon 5 is technically correct on so many levels, but it doesn't feel right, a the sense of speed is one of the things at fault.
So glad I'm not the only one to have noticed this.
adding that full screen shake and motion blur made it feel twice as fast, ive always felt disappointed with horizon 3,4,5 sense of speed
If u go like 100 km/h it feels like u walking end when u go 300 km/h it feels like u going the speed of light
Sense of speed in newer real cars seems reduced over the past lol. Sound deadening plays a major role.
Looks pretty much similar between the titles? I mean any difference that you experience were all due to the locations that you chose to do the tests in, like no shit driving on the highway vs a city will feel different. Also why didn't you show the "fixed" version for the 100 and 200 kph, but only for max speed (which you didn't compare).
Personally I find FH3 to be the best in terms of sense of speed. The goliath is slower than FH4 but feels way faster and more entertaining. Then again FH5 is much netter. I think also the camera fix they did between FH3 and FH4 also had a part in that because the camera used to pull away from the car in FH3 but didn't in FH4
You could argue that FH5 is pretty good in the sense of speed department, even without the motion blur. But yeah, this little detail makes a world of difference.
whats the song in the intro ?
With no motion blur in the other games is like going 400 kph ok its fast an then put the motion blur then goes HOLY SHEEEEET
It's mostly the framerate, FH1 and were locked at 30fps FH3 was 60+ on PC and 4 and were 60 fps on consoles.
400 mph is 586 ft per second, at 60 fps you can perceive 9.76 ft per frame versus 19.53 ft per frame at 30 fps so that's your lost sense of speed. That being said you have the right idea with motion blur if you want it to look more intense but the higher frame rate is more realistic.
6:32 I never thought i would see a racing game uncanny valley...
That's it, I don't get it, all of these feel exactly the same.
Motion blue is a setting you can turn on if that helps, but all of these games have the same speed feeling to me so seemingly I can only look from an outsiders pov
What a shame. I guess you don't understand anything.
I don't know why, but for some reason FH5 looks the most scary to me at high speeds.
Motion blur made my eyes hurt... as if I was watching through a pair of far too strong glasses. My God!
@Casual channel user You like it when your eyes are starting to fall out of your head because of the pain?
hope horizon becomes a reboot too :)
the only thing that i REALLY hate about fh4 is that 200 km/h feels like 80
What’s the song?