I like the Acheron, conceptually, because I'm always a sucker for an underdog. Knights put little stock of honor in immolating cowering infantry, and so the Acheron can be derided. A duty to be fulfilled grudgingly, or a punishment assignment. It makes me feel bad for the poor Acheron. (Even though it is basically "The Warcrimes Knight Suit"). Any excuse to field them on the battlefield, therefore, is pretty rad. Especially giving them the Aspirant rule. Implying that it's a duty placed on junior pilots to get them acclimated to battlefield conditions, in situations that don't require them to test their (undeveloped) skills against "real" opponents. Plus, _someone_ has to pilot the Acheron. Your household has one, they're not going to leave it to collect dust just because none of the pilots see glory in it. At least here, it teaches aspirants humility, and joins younger and older pilots in shared experience. They ALL had to pilot the Acheron at some point in their careers, so they all know what it's like.
That’s a pretty great idea, I could see it as also something of a “basic” trial. New knights from the main house have to fight a handful of battles in the Acheron and if they avoid seriously messing up they advance normally but if they fail they’re given an Armiger from the pool mainly used by branch families and have to spend the rest of their career screening “real knights” from the tiny foes they failed to kill in their trial.
@@Hello-ub8kt That would be downright torture to anyone who had already gone through the experience of acclimating to the Throne Mechanicum so that they could pilot knights. Imagine having to sit through a night of complete insanity, mixing your mind and memory with those of your house’s ancestors with a very real possibility of going insane or dying with your only hope being that after this experience you’ll be able to pilot knights. Then you mess up on your first deployment and are forced to pilot glorified sentinels for the rest of your life. That seems very harsh and loses the house a person who could pilot full knights.
Just found your channel and working through your Horus Heresy lore playlist. I'm surpised I've never seen your videos before, but I'm glad the algorithm's finally got its act together.
It might be a cool video to explore the parallel reintroduction of knights to the warhammer lore with both 40k and 30k. I think it’s funny that some sources say that dominus class knights were invented after the heresy, and others stating they’ve been around since before the great crusade.
Ah damn been avoiding buying a cut price Liber Mechanicun in the games store on my walk home but I think I'm just gonna get it now.. got that big army box of knights from last Christmas so that should make a nice basis for both 30K and 40K armies.
With the publication of the Dark Blessings rules, for +25 points you can make a Knight Psyker with Infernal Tempest. This gives the knight both the Psyker and Character Unit sub-types (and a Ld of 7 for Psychic Tests). I wanted to bring an allied detachment of Bound Dæmons with my Big Stompy Robots™ list but the Bound Dæmons require an Independent Character unit for full effectiveness. Like the Titan + Knight list, this is another Missed Opportunity. I hope we get new detachment rules at some point to address this. :(
7:00 ah so this is what Games Workshop has done with the Space Crusade Dreadnaughts, rebranded them. These are also the size of modern Dreadnaughts so about 3 times the size of the OG models. Also very different from old Dreads which had vehicle armour rules rather than monstrous creature rules. 11:35 possibly the rarest most esoteric example of Dark Age technology in the entire setting on display here, this is an example of what humanity has lost. Truly terrifying... there is a reason aliens left humans alone in the 20th Millennium, we had stuff like this in abundance. Yeah that thing can drop an AoE attack that creates a microscopic blackhole that instantly draws in everything around it while blowing up in less than a second, all you see is a sudden bubble distortion in what you can see, everything disappears, suddenly a creator and a big while light explosion, everything which was there is gone and all you see is a mist of blood. That thing can one shot 5 Terminators on a 4+, no saves, wtf.
The Cerastus Lancer does have a gun! The shock lance has a ranged profile that's easy to miss since it's in the "miscellaneous weapons" section rather than being an arc weapon, but at AP3 and a devastating Concussive (2) it's always worth considering, especially with how knights can struggle with high WS enemies. Weirdly in Adeptus Titanicus it's listed as being the shield that does the shooting - I think that's because they had to give the lance a close combat profile and can't have it double up.
Could you please do a video for the Sisters of Silence! They are a really unique army with interesting units and customisation options, but being a niche army do have a lot of materials exhaling how they work!
It might be too much research for your schedule these days - but I'd love a video exploring alternative models for Knights, sort of like your Squats. Presuming there *are* any, of course, which may not be accurate.
Hi Ian, do you have any videos where you go over the easiest tabletop games to introduce someone into the hobby? I have heard kill team is smaller and more balanced than 40k but is there something like the interlocking Forrest path game you played with Mira which uses models but it is more friendly to people who do not know about tabletop gaming? Thanks!
Hi. Could I ask for advice on building an army up to 3,000 points? So far, I've only been collecting, and I have a few knight models that I could use against my friend. I have 3 warglaive, 3 helverin, knight porphyrion, lancer, all mechanicus knights, warden, crusader and also Canis Rex, which I could also use somehow. Thank you in advance for your help!
You could bring a single knight alongside a Space Marine or Auxilia or Militia army, and all of those can be mostly/all tanks depending what options you take.
Warhound is the smallest of the true Titans. Knights range from the size of large walkers to almost as large as a Warhound. Titans are a separate Divisio Tactica which he will cover in the next video in this series.
i like Knight and Titans from all factions Eldar even more .. all the Robot like suit units are amazing those titan and knight suits are the only thing i want to collect and paint
So is it ok to run Chaos Knights in 30K (not including wargear differences)? With all the weird bones and spikes etc? I like the idea of using 40K chaos stuff in 30K but I’m always afraid of someone shutting me down at a table
Knights alone are probably not the best choice, due to being such skew list (like in 40K), they are fun but your enjoyment is inversely proportional to the number of lascannons/meltaguns the opponent brought. As a single ally, they are probably one of the best Lord of War choices in heresy, and especially with their 4+ invuln on front arc. The Porphyrion is disgustingly good at murdering terminators, infantry and vehicles alike, 4 strength 10 AP2 large blasts is nothing to scoff at and forms a core part of my Mechanicum artillery list.
This is a great guide. I do still find Knights confusing, requiring much more thought than armies of other kinds in Horus Heresy, but I believe that is, in fact, what people like about it.
I think the only way is to take a Mechanicum knights + Moiraxes in a Standard Mechanicum list and bring Titans alongside them as allies, but a pure Knight and Titan list your pretty much out of luck unfortunately.
My solution is to just do it anyway. Warhounds for 750 are not that great; no one I would play with locally would object to me taking one in a Questoris Household for fluff/lore reasons. :D
As A Knights player, and just as a person who loves their lore THANK YOU.
Oh god now's not the time I just finished assassinorum Kingmaker and I'm so close to pulling a a trigger on a knight ahaha
You even got a stryder/rau profile pic
I like the Acheron, conceptually, because I'm always a sucker for an underdog. Knights put little stock of honor in immolating cowering infantry, and so the Acheron can be derided. A duty to be fulfilled grudgingly, or a punishment assignment. It makes me feel bad for the poor Acheron. (Even though it is basically "The Warcrimes Knight Suit").
Any excuse to field them on the battlefield, therefore, is pretty rad. Especially giving them the Aspirant rule. Implying that it's a duty placed on junior pilots to get them acclimated to battlefield conditions, in situations that don't require them to test their (undeveloped) skills against "real" opponents.
Plus, _someone_ has to pilot the Acheron. Your household has one, they're not going to leave it to collect dust just because none of the pilots see glory in it. At least here, it teaches aspirants humility, and joins younger and older pilots in shared experience. They ALL had to pilot the Acheron at some point in their careers, so they all know what it's like.
That’s a pretty great idea, I could see it as also something of a “basic” trial. New knights from the main house have to fight a handful of battles in the Acheron and if they avoid seriously messing up they advance normally but if they fail they’re given an Armiger from the pool mainly used by branch families and have to spend the rest of their career screening “real knights” from the tiny foes they failed to kill in their trial.
@@Hello-ub8kt That would be downright torture to anyone who had already gone through the experience of acclimating to the Throne Mechanicum so that they could pilot knights.
Imagine having to sit through a night of complete insanity, mixing your mind and memory with those of your house’s ancestors with a very real possibility of going insane or dying with your only hope being that after this experience you’ll be able to pilot knights. Then you mess up on your first deployment and are forced to pilot glorified sentinels for the rest of your life. That seems very harsh and loses the house a person who could pilot full knights.
Just found your channel and working through your Horus Heresy lore playlist. I'm surpised I've never seen your videos before, but I'm glad the algorithm's finally got its act together.
If only some of the Knights have Knight Vision, how do the others see?
I'm currently reading Dan Abnett's Titanicus so I'm definitely in a stompy robot mood 🙏
Hell yeah. Thank you so much.
I am also very exited for the Titan video.
It might be a cool video to explore the parallel reintroduction of knights to the warhammer lore with both 40k and 30k. I think it’s funny that some sources say that dominus class knights were invented after the heresy, and others stating they’ve been around since before the great crusade.
Ah damn been avoiding buying a cut price Liber Mechanicun in the games store on my walk home but I think I'm just gonna get it now.. got that big army box of knights from last Christmas so that should make a nice basis for both 30K and 40K armies.
With the publication of the Dark Blessings rules, for +25 points you can make a Knight Psyker with Infernal Tempest. This gives the knight both the Psyker and Character Unit sub-types (and a Ld of 7 for Psychic Tests). I wanted to bring an allied detachment of Bound Dæmons with my Big Stompy Robots™ list but the Bound Dæmons require an Independent Character unit for full effectiveness. Like the Titan + Knight list, this is another Missed Opportunity. I hope we get new detachment rules at some point to address this. :(
7:00 ah so this is what Games Workshop has done with the Space Crusade Dreadnaughts, rebranded them. These are also the size of modern Dreadnaughts so about 3 times the size of the OG models. Also very different from old Dreads which had vehicle armour rules rather than monstrous creature rules.
11:35 possibly the rarest most esoteric example of Dark Age technology in the entire setting on display here, this is an example of what humanity has lost. Truly terrifying... there is a reason aliens left humans alone in the 20th Millennium, we had stuff like this in abundance. Yeah that thing can drop an AoE attack that creates a microscopic blackhole that instantly draws in everything around it while blowing up in less than a second, all you see is a sudden bubble distortion in what you can see, everything disappears, suddenly a creator and a big while light explosion, everything which was there is gone and all you see is a mist of blood. That thing can one shot 5 Terminators on a 4+, no saves, wtf.
The Cerastus Lancer does have a gun! The shock lance has a ranged profile that's easy to miss since it's in the "miscellaneous weapons" section rather than being an arc weapon, but at AP3 and a devastating Concussive (2) it's always worth considering, especially with how knights can struggle with high WS enemies.
Weirdly in Adeptus Titanicus it's listed as being the shield that does the shooting - I think that's because they had to give the lance a close combat profile and can't have it double up.
Could you please do a video for the Sisters of Silence! They are a really unique army with interesting units and customisation options, but being a niche army do have a lot of materials exhaling how they work!
Thank you sir i love these videos they help me get the rules for the armys so much easier
It might be too much research for your schedule these days - but I'd love a video exploring alternative models for Knights, sort of like your Squats.
Presuming there *are* any, of course, which may not be accurate.
Thank you for covering one of the mech factions in WH40K!!
Awesome video, hope they have another Xmas box like last year
Well this is handy; was eyeing up doing a Knight army for my loyalist force. Ta 👍
Thanks for the video.
Hi Ian, do you have any videos where you go over the easiest tabletop games to introduce someone into the hobby? I have heard kill team is smaller and more balanced than 40k but is there something like the interlocking Forrest path game you played with Mira which uses models but it is more friendly to people who do not know about tabletop gaming? Thanks!
Its sad the dominus class knight was in first edition hourus haresy as a aditional unit but they just never added it to qsecond edition
Hi. Could I ask for advice on building an army up to 3,000 points? So far, I've only been collecting, and I have a few knight models that I could use against my friend. I have 3 warglaive, 3 helverin, knight porphyrion, lancer, all mechanicus knights, warden, crusader and also Canis Rex, which I could also use somehow. Thank you in advance for your help!
So knight Castetellan and knight Valiant are both Dominus class knights. Are both Dominus chassis not in 30k or only the Castellan variant?
No dominus chassis is in 30k
I might be in the minority here but I actually like the smaller knights than the bigger ones.
I agree with you quite frankly.
Can you build a 30k list with a Knight and tanks?
You could bring a single knight alongside a Space Marine or Auxilia or Militia army, and all of those can be mostly/all tanks depending what options you take.
No warhounds? Are these all smaller than warhounds? I remember those being the smallest titans XD
Warhound is the smallest of the true Titans. Knights range from the size of large walkers to almost as large as a Warhound. Titans are a separate Divisio Tactica which he will cover in the next video in this series.
i like Knight and Titans from all factions Eldar even more .. all the Robot like suit units are amazing those titan and knight suits are the only thing i want to collect and paint
So what I'm hearing I cam use my 40k knight army as a HH army
Yep, as long as you've got a ton of armigers
@ArbitorIan more than enough only downside is I use a knight valiant so that's out
Least leaves me with 2
So is it ok to run Chaos Knights in 30K (not including wargear differences)? With all the weird bones and spikes etc? I like the idea of using 40K chaos stuff in 30K but I’m always afraid of someone shutting me down at a table
Stomps for the stomp god?
"how big are your minis ?" "Yes"
Knights alone are probably not the best choice, due to being such skew list (like in 40K), they are fun but your enjoyment is inversely proportional to the number of lascannons/meltaguns the opponent brought. As a single ally, they are probably one of the best Lord of War choices in heresy, and especially with their 4+ invuln on front arc. The Porphyrion is disgustingly good at murdering terminators, infantry and vehicles alike, 4 strength 10 AP2 large blasts is nothing to scoff at and forms a core part of my Mechanicum artillery list.
This is a great guide. I do still find Knights confusing, requiring much more thought than armies of other kinds in Horus Heresy, but I believe that is, in fact, what people like about it.
comment for the comment god!
I also came to the conclusion you can't run a knights + titans army but maybe someone else has figured it out
I think the only way is to take a Mechanicum knights + Moiraxes in a Standard Mechanicum list and bring Titans alongside them as allies, but a pure Knight and Titan list your pretty much out of luck unfortunately.
My solution is to just do it anyway. Warhounds for 750 are not that great; no one I would play with locally would object to me taking one in a Questoris Household for fluff/lore reasons. :D
I’m going to have to go back to school so I can translate latinish into English.
What an absolutely awful rules set it is. Compared to 1.0 rules , yeesh.
Burn the whole Admech book and start again. Give the knights their own book.