Beautiful: Pastor vs. Ladies
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2019
- You don't want to miss this beautiful conversation between Pastor Jeff Durbin and some ladies on the street in downtown Phoenix. There was a major event and we sent our team to engage in some conversations. The results were very informative and powerful. Make sure you show someone with us.
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Prepare yourself to answer Pro-Choice objections just like the ones used in the video by going here:
endabortionnow.com/10-answers-to-common-abortion-objections/
I signed up. I know a gal who aborted her baby bc the baby had spinabifada. I also know a girl who had it who went to school, grew up, got married, had kids, etc . This gal posts mournful posts about loosing her baby. I love her. So I'd never say anything to her. But this is horrific.
Why don't you bring up the numerous couples waiting to adopt babies in the States?
*Pro murder
I know this is an old video, but…The most commonly used argument is the it affects low income families the most, this is not tru. Most abortions are done by woman in the middle class.
And 40% of the woman who have abortions have had 2 or more.
@@TomBg124 Demographics of abortion
A 2014 survey of 8,380 U.S. women who had abortions shows how their characteristics compare to the general population of U.S. women ages 15 to 44.
Age group
Under 20
11.9%
20 to 24
33.6%
25 to 29
26.5%
30 to 34
15.9%
35 to 39
9.1%
40 or older
3.1%
Race/ethnicity
White
38.7%
Black
27.6%
Hispanic
24.8%
Asian/Pacific Islander
5.5%
Other
3.4%
Educational attainment
No high school diploma
8.9%
High school graduate/GED
27.0%
Some college/associate degree
40.9%
College graduate
23.1%
Number of prior births
0
40.7%
1
26.2%
2 or more
33.1%
Religious affiliation
Mainline Protestant
17.2%
Evangelical Protestant
12.8%
Roman Catholic
23.7%
Other
8.2%
None
American women have abortions with similar frequency to women living in other developed nations. The bulk of abortion patients are in their 20s.
Women of all races and ethnicities choose abortion. In 2014, 39 percent of abortion patients were white, 28 percent were black and 25 percent were Latina. Similarly, women of all religious affiliations choose to end their pregnancies.
Most of these women understand what it means to parent a child. More than half of abortion patients in 2014 were already mothers.
Poor women account for the majority of abortion patients. Fifty-three percent of women pay out-of-pocket for their abortion. The rest use private or state-funded insurance plans.
Women choose abortion for multiple reasons. The most common reason cited is that pregnancy would interfere with education, work or ability to care of dependents.
Financial stress also plays a major role in women’s decision making. Seventy-three percent of women reported that they could not afford a baby at the time. Nearly half cited relationship difficulties or wanting to avoid single motherhood. More than a third of women felt their families were complete.
In my life, I:
1.) Grew up dirt poor in the worst neighborhood
2.) Mother was a drug addict, father was gone 3/4 weeks and abusive when home
3.) Was born autistic
4.) Was sexually assaulted in elementary school by a teacher
5.) Was brutally bullied by the other students throughout the rest of school
6.) Had cancer from 14-16 years old
7.) Married at 19 to an incredibly abusive man who moved me to another country and trafficked me into sex work
8.) Escaped and came to U.S., lived with a man who also raped and abused me
9.) Had several untreated chronic illnesses that became more severe due to neglect
10.) Finally met a good man who lifted me up, took good care of me, helped me to get medical care, married me, and I now have two beautiful children and am completing a PhD. We have been together for almost 10 years now!
I don't think I'm better off dead, actually, and I think my beautiful kids are treasures that make the world even better. Without me, there's no them. It is DISGUSTINGLY offensive to say that my life isn't worth anything because it's been hard and it would have been better for everyone if I was dead.
Well said , these College students have been Indoctrinated to the point they are Stupid Evil .
Ma'am you're a Trooper!!! Kuddos to you on being such a strong, resilient person!! All the best!
Amen.
I'm happy that you, your husband and your kids are alive and thriving.
Remember...
God always wants life and love for you whereas the devil always wants death and despair for you.
Good luck and may God bless your family.
😭❤️🙏🏻
You are a beautiful soul; im so happy you got to live!
To be fair, I commend these girls for having way higher tolerance levels than the average pro choicer 👏🏽
True that.
@@kaitlee100 ♥️🤗
@@kaitlee100 Until about a yr ago I was a brainwashed pro choicer too and not only did I support abortion but I also participated in them - my own baby at 9 weeks and I also supported and encouraged my sister yrs ago to get a abortion, now when I ask her if she regrets having that abortion she said no...........Yes total denial.
I'm pro choice, and this pastor was a complete biased idiot
Xarai but murder is fine? He is 100% correct! He follows Gods laws
I have lived my life with a mindset like these woman and I would laugh at believers, especially Christians. But today I found pastor Jeff and watched his street interviews and something changed inside me. I decided at this moment that I am going to be on the right side of history. Spiritually and socially.
Go for it, dude! God bless you.
That's awesome!! See as much as people say that Christians hate, Pastor Jeff shows a wonderful example of how it truly isn't hate. A firm mind on the value of morale excellence, and the strength to stand on those values. This is what gives life to any society. Stay bless friend.
Glad to hear! The only way to be on the ride side of things is to humble ourselves..May God be with you towards the truth!
Don't worry about being on the right side of History. Get right with Jesus Christ dude. Just changing wicked views won't save you. I'd encourage you to CONTINUALLY seek God as well as making Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior! Pray and accept Him into you heart. Follow Him,learn of Him,serve Him. What was it Peter said? " Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit..." Act 2: 38
@@barbaraGobert31 The comment about being on the right side was confirmed at the end of bass daddy's comment. It is on the right side both spiritually and socially. It would seem he had already made the choice to follow Christ by that statement.
Their argument: “College kids don’t know that sex is where babies come from.”
yeah, I call BS on that one. People have known for centuries where babies come from.
Butt stuff
They are projecting elitism. They truly believe low income, colored people don’t know what the consequences of sex are.
Exactly.
Actually you would be surprised at the ignorance of some of these kids. They don’t know that conception is when a sperm and egg unite. Does anyone recall the ridiculous posters they carry that will say stuff like “if abortion is murder then oral sex is cannibalism.”🙄 They think just the sperm alone makes the baby. Where does this ignorance come from?
The "pro-choice" argument seems consistently to be that if life isn't absolutely perfect then it isn't worth living.
It's interesting how those who resist the idea of God want to play God themselves.
@@vanessale5610 Well said.
Its the same anti christ jezebel spirit " i dont have to deal with this! Im valuable and me me me!"
Right by that logic none of us would be here today.
The pro-choice arguments have no interest in the subjective or the fictional. The arguments are firmly grounded in science and compassion.
The science is recognizing that a first trimester human is, in fact, a nascent, non-sentient, non-viable organism existing, entirely dependent, within a woman's body.
Compassion compels us to want the apogee of well-being for every woman, today and tomorrow. Compassion demands that we respect every woman's right to own her body and decide her destiny.
I was like "After all this talk, they still walked with the same view", but then I remembered. God, he planted a seed.
Yah, my mom always talks about how the pro aborts will have that weighing on their conscience and they'll genuinely think about God can change their hearts.
Then it didn’t grow because seeds need water and light to prosper
Fernweh Central Oregon Bible says one plants seeds, another waters it and God makes it grow... Dont discount God’s power to work on anyone He chooses to work on
Amen. "It's not important who does the planting, or who does the watering. The important thing is that God makes the seed grow." 1 Cor 3:7
Yes Amen to that! 🙌💛
When they hear “kill the child”, they immediately switch up their argument so they seem innocent.
what are they 'guilty' of, tho? "Switching up the argument" is something that Jeff did, too. The exact point is when one of the women directly asked him if a rape victim should be forced to bear the child in the case of pregnancy. He didnt admit that his answer was, in this case, 'yes'. He used biased language to hide the fact that he does believe this. You might also like to know that Jeff actually thinks that women who terminate pregnancies should be put on death row. Not too many others believe that, tho.
It’s such a beautiful thing to see young woman have this conversation respectfully. They listened and I know they will continue to think deeper because of it. This was a beautiful conversation
The doctor told me and my wife that my daughter has down syndrome, that was five years ago, the doctor was wrong.
Doctors are sorcerers :: pharmakeia
Same thing happened to several of my friends when they were pregnant. All carried to term. 3 graduated top of their class
None of the children had down syndrome. The tests are not 100% accurate. Even if someone has down syndrome.......God makes no mistakes!
Abashed Sanctuary if
They (the scientists and doctors) check the baby for certain genetical merkers. However, just because they find those merkers, it doesnt mean the baby will have down syndrome. It just means its got a higher chance to have it. That being said, even though Im not an expert, I do wonder if the method of investigating those genetical markers shouldnt need more improvement.................
@@jonson856 we do need improvements, the whole reason the doctor called us in to give us this info was to suggest an abortion
If Feminism is all about standing up for women’s rights, start standing up for unborn women too.
That's awesome!!!!!
That's the truth
Whoa awesome way to put it, Amen!!!!!!!!
Amen, beautiful statement, God bless you and ur 👪 always, 😍 👵 grandma Victoria
Good point ma’am!🕊
I was adopted at birth and I have had a wonderful life. There are millions of people that can’t have children and would love to adopt a child.
May GOD bless this preacher and help these women see the light of love that Jesus and GOD represent.
They are far too self centered to care about another life.
Even if your life hasn’t been wonderful, you still deserve to have one
No matter the result of this conversation right here right now, GOD USED Jeff Durbin here TO PLANT A SEED THAT THESE WOMEN WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER.
I agree that these girls at least did not acted like the typical hyenas pro abortion. And Pray God that the seed grow fast 🙏.
That's true. At least he debunked some myths about christianity (That men have no responsability within christianity, that women are not equally as valuable as men, that christians don't care about what happens to the babies after they are born).
There is another choice-don’t have sex until you are in a stable, loving relationship and are mature enough to be responsible for their decisions.
That is exactly what sex education should be about. They should also tell the teens how an abortion is performed, step by step and with real pictures.
BuT whAt aBt RaPE aND INcEST
No no no! you cant hold people accountable for their actions or ask them to control themselves!
They do NOT wanna hear that. Why, that’s too obvious, makes too much sense & it would label them @ fault, they’d be responsible for their own actions. But as we are seeing again & again, especially now, is that this unimaginable cruelty, isn’t exclusive it’s OWED them. AND it’s everyone else’s fault. WE didn’t offer enough solutions. The entitlement runs way deep here.
Amen
I’ll bet none of these young women had heard a man talk to them about sex, relationships and women’s value in such a respectful, clear, fatherly and godly way before.God bless you brother, you are letting the purity of the Holy Spirit shine through to them.
She keeps saying "we need steps we need education". But if he were to suggest something as CRAZY as... wait for it.... "Don't have sex until marriage", they'd laugh him off.... People want the freedom to sleep with whoever whenever, and also want the freedom to kill the results of said activity... It's gross
You couldn't have said that any better! You're so right! They want to enjoy sin without the consequences
It's beyond gross, its absolutely abominable. But yeah.
but people's sexual activity can't be dictated by others, especially in a world where many people are delaying marriage - and sometimes forgoing it altogether.
@@wylier Then don't expect "others" to perform your abortion... Do it yourself, and don't demand that my tax money pay for it...
Umm.. it’s 2022 you telling me people don’t know that they can get pregnant if they have s3x?🤨
These young women were so respectful, their mother should be very proud of the way they handled themselves. I pray that God Almighty touches their hearts and speaks to them when they are asleep to give them direction to a Godly path
My mom was told to abort me because she had an IUD at the time and she would probably miscarriage anyway or that I would be disabled. She also suffered mental illness and had 3 children already, But God showed her that I would be a healthy girl. Here I am 37 years old and healthy with 3 of my own children😄
Thank you for sharing!! Are you close with your mother? How is she doing? Blessings
Wow that amazzfgujru
God bless you, mama!
Oh Jesus bless you C! You're beautiful my sister in Christ
Amen, littleness C. Thank God your mum didn't listen. God is GREAT
My mother was told that I would have a million problems and to abort me but she didn’t (she’s a NICU nurse) and I’m healthier than any of my siblings .. this happens more often than people may think
Thanks for Sharing your story Laura. Amazing.
I think you only have one problem. The problem is that you are too beautiful.
I think a true example of the devil trying to manipulate the situation, so that someone that will have a great impact for the kingdom of God isn’t born.
Powerful testimony. Praise the Lord.
I want to understand Jeff's arguments. Does anyone have any books or video explaining in detail?
So I want to say that I grew up in foster care 27 different homes 26 of them abused me and I became homeless and ended up in prison but I thank God everyday that my mother decided to keep me even If she was not fit , today I'm a man of God and I feel me life is a testimony that can get people closer to God! Abortion is Murder . We all deserve a chance to live
I love it when there’s a discussion where everyone can calmly respectfully communicate like this. If we could be slower to offend we could work out so much more.
Abandoned children who once endured harsh foster care have grown up to do and contribute amazing things to this world. Every child deserves its chance to live.
Just wanna say, as someone who was adopted, went through the foster system, and was intensely physically abused, it is nice to see people saying what you’re saying and not “foster kids suffer therefore we should abort”. That argument is the quickest one to get under my skin. Thank you.
People get treated badly therefore kill them? Lol that's the opposite of what to do like satanist it's the opposite of the truth .
What it forms down to is, isnt it better that a child has the chance to crawl their way out of the depths and end up building a great life with God than to never have the chance at all? Overcoming adversity is a beutiful thing.
Every child deserves a chance at life regardless of who they grow up to be…
Poverty, hard times, finances, convienance, or just a simple desire to kill, have never been actual justifications to kill, ever. Just because I want to kill is not a justification to actually kill someone, anyone, even criminals, let alone innocent little boys and girls. We can only use lethal force, and just the force necessary to stop the iminent and unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm. We can't just execute someone simply because we want them dead. When u remove the excuse to avoid responsibility, there r no more excuses for abortion. That alone is quite telling. It lets us know that these r all just excuses to avoid responsibility and behave wrecklessly, all at the cost of an innocent boy or girl's life.
This conversation will stay with these women for a long time. Bless you.
Let's hope so. If only one out of the 3 it would be better than none.
From my experience, I figure they forgot it all within seconds.
I want to understand Jeff's arguments. Does anyone have any books or video explaining in detail?
I want to understand Jeff's arguments with atheists and abortionists. Does anyone have any books or video explaining in detail?
@@user-me1tk9yx2l Its called presuppositional Christian apologetics, Greg Bahnsen has a book that Jeff said he had his teeth kicked in by reading. Frank Turek is a good with this as well.
I really appreciate Jeff's ability to speak about truth and do so clearly
i had to check how long ago this was because this was beautifully respectful. I find it hard to believe that this conversation would be like this on american campuses today. bravo to both you and those young women
This guy is an amazing communicator! Much more patience than myself, great example as a Pastor!
So what Durbin says is basically
All Life is to be preserved no matter the form (foetuses are babies therefore abortion is equivalent to killing an infant).
There is an exception to this rule (which already contradicts his rule of „all murder is immoral“), if a human has commited an evil act, it is ok to kill him. comminting an act (such as rape) qualifies a human to be in a different „category“ of human.
In a situation where the child is threatening the life of the mother if she doesn‘t abort he has to chose which life to save (because deciding not to abort is equal to chosing to kill the mother) If you follow this, then logically it follows that you cannot defend yourself with deadly force (since that is murdering a human, it doesn‘t matter the situation). Therefore he either breakd his logic OR must value the life of a woman less than that of an (in his word) unborn child. If he goes this route, he is actually using the same argument as pro-choice proponents, which is: „murder“/ending a human life is ok in circumstances where it serves a greater good e.g:
when a foetus endangers the mothers life
when rapists deserve desth penalty
when you defend yourself with deadly force
etc.
To sum up there are two problems here:
he is inconsistant with the maxim of „no human life is to be murdered“
he seems to value a female life less than that, which i think most people disagree with.
Basically what durbin gets wrong is that he claims a (deontological) maxime of „in any possible realm, there shall not be a case of murdering a human life“ because murder is inherently immoral (based on his that‘s pretty Kantian and had one problem: the maxim cannot be broken, so it doesn‘t matter e.g. the „value“ of a human life since all humans shall not be murdered.
Therefore claiming that it is ok to have death penalty invalidates his maxim logically. It is the classical problem of deontology
Yes he is outstanding, brilliant apologist, this takes time and practice.
@@zurrischnurre519 except there is not 1 situation where a baby needed to be killed to save the mother. that makes no sense. are you talking about double effect principle? that's not abortion.
efklelfkw efnw there is no contradiction. If you murder you should be put to death. You should not kill innocent babies.
You are right. I lost patience with those women. The mental gymnastics they were playing were ridiculous. The pastor having that patience has the great benefit in convincing someone that he really does care for them.
Why is it with these women self control NEVER enters the picture. We all want to talk about our rights but we never say anything about our responsibilities.
This so much. I should be able to do whatever I want, Damn the consequences... That's the mentality.
@Templar yeah I wouldnt agree with that at all, my comment was not meant to demean all women.
Open your Bible and read genesis.
Many women use birth control, tho.
Sex has become merely an transaction and that’s the start of the problem.
I'm Muslim, but I really appreciate how well mannered and politely you conduct yourself in these challenging conversations, especially at a time where the algorithm favors drama and conflict
It's the Holy spirit in him :) Jesus Christ died for our sins and whoever believes that is born again: He is born from the spirit. The spirit of Jesus starts to live and grow in him or her.
I honestly didn't feel any part in the conversation where it was super heated. Kudos to the ladies too actually.
I liked the way they talked with such civility on a topic which is so sensitive - deserves the title Beautiful
The way that Jeff connects with people before stating his views is something we all can learn to do better. He has mastered it, and I want to be just like that.
I would disagree. I have watched many of his videos and on most subjects Jeff cannot truly take on another person's perspective, he just states his understanding of there perspective without changing when they correct him. He assumes they just don't realize there point of view is the way he understands it and tells them that, which is considered gaslighting. Gaslighting is a form of manipulation. All that said, I think he does a lot less of that in this video and when he does do it I am sure he does not realize it is manipulative. But that doesn't change the fact that it is.
@@kaitlynrains5606 That's not true. He uses analogies to stretch their views to broader applications. When people "correct" him, they're usually avoiding his broader point.
@@kaitlynrains5606 If your perception of reality is distorted and twisted, someone trying to show you a new way of looking at reality is not gaslighting, it is simply someone trying to help you understand something that you are struggling with. When you use the term gaslighting in this context, it degrades the term. Gaslighting is when someone tries to convince you that you are crazy, and is used to manipulate and control, not when there is a difference on world view and you are trying to convince someone to see things differently. How are we supposed to have healthy debates when people are so afraid of being Gaslit? Are you sure that you want debate, and not just push your way through?
Kind of sounds like you are trying to gaslight by not letting other opinions be expressed and heard, and saying they are the ones gaslighting. 🤔
Yeah but at the same time Christians and conservatives just keep losing decade after decade because we keep playing nice. Christians need to step it up and be more aggressive.
@@kaitlynrains5606 yep. Jeff is one of the most arrogant and condescending pastors I’ve ever seen.
White privilege to the extreme.
THE most respectful and cordial conversation on one of the most polarizing topics in America..... 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Amen!
normally the pro-choicers are yelling at Jeff and calling him names. Kudos to those women they are full of love and grace just sadly misplaced in regards to the unborn
@@katherinepoindexter4380 full of Love and Grace!? Hmmmm.. Well, they were certainly Created in the Image of GOD!!)
Let's pray for their Salvation, that they {individually, apart from their group think and united rebellion} may Actually be filled with The SPIRIT and not just reflecting the Image of GOD that they are suppressing. May GOD Bless You, and Keep You, In The HOLY CHRIST.
@@Chirhopher I agree. I should have added to my original comment is that any love, any mercy, any grace comes only from God in Christ. Any love that people have is the reflection of God's grace and mercy. Thank you for your comment. God bless you back and may He keep you in His mercy and grace forever-Amen
@@katherinepoindexter4380 spoken like a calvinist :)
One of the if not the best conversations I've seen between a Christian or conservative with women who are pro-choice. This encounter is a master class in how to facilitate a discussion with opposing viewpoints and how to even share the gospel while doing it.
Wow. This pastor really epitomized "truth in love." I admire him a lot. AND I also admire and applaud these wonderful, intelligent young women for staying in the conversation and remaining civil and courteous. You do not see that much at all today. I pray that they will really think about all that the pastor said--because it is the truth--and hopefully their minds will be changed. Most importantly, I pray Jesus would turn their eyes and hearts towards Him so their whole lives will change! The pastor planted those seeds, too. Really well done!
These women carried themselves very well and seemed to be listening. Good job to the pastor for his points. God bless them all😀
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No, they sounded childish and air headed.
So much "like", so much "I feel", so much "give me welfare or I'll kill the child".
@@adamwalker2377 yes but did you also realized that they asked multiple times what for solution do we have for those who decide no abortion ?? I am against abortion but BEFORE i walk around convincing people not to go thru with it we need a solution for them also. Cause that kid will have a miserable life with uneducated parents or unloving parents. It is very easy to show people how bad that is and that they are committing a sin, and then we turn away leave them deal with the propblem after. We need solutions first to really help those woman
@@Scriptures-say we owe nothing to those women.
That's like saying "Fine, if you don't want me buying a prostitute, you owe me a wife."
@@adamwalker2377 I get what ur saying but the process of coming to a realization can be slow, give it time , the talk they had was marvelous, the seed was implanted, patience is key, people dont change one day to another, they'll go home thinking about it all night, wish u best stay safe👍
“Walmart doesn’t sell condoms.” That sounds like something a guy told her.
Yeah, there's NO way
In my city there's a pharmacy that doesn't sell any type of contraceptive method, neither condoms nor pills, nothing, because the son of the owners is a Catholic priest, but it is the only pharmacy that has this rare policy
@@anybrzla3149 Wow! A Catholic priest that believes in something that's biblical. That's pretty cool. Oops. What am I talking about? All Catholic priests believe in some things that are biblical. They just all hold to a lot of humanistic traditions as well that are not biblical.
Lol
Walmart literally sells vibrators. They definitely have condoms
The ending was incredible, im stunned that they finally blatantly said yes.
These young girls are just sweethearts. Especially the girl in the center who went back and forth in such a lovely and smiling manner.
May the Lord change their minds but even more change their hearts.
Amen, and millions more across the nations. That we are a nation of life in every way.
It’s a shame your omnipotent god can’t change their minds....🤔
@@jlspl150
Its their free will choice.
I feel like these young girls hear him but they're fighting him.
Very true its a typical Romans 1 situation "suppressing the truth in unrighteousness".
If any of them are like me, then there is hope. When someone comes with the opposite opinion than what I have, I fight back. However, after the conversation, I still think about what they said and really think about it in regards to the info I have. I have changed my position on different things lots of times and all except one was afterwards and not during the conversation.
fresnoredemption this is true. Pastor Jeff is planting seeds. These girls may have a change of heart 1 day, or 1 month, or 1 year, or 20 years later. I was not always on Christ’s side and I didn’t change my mind immediately. It takes time (Lord willing) and the work of the Spirit.
I feel like they’re scared to accept the truth..
It's not him they are fighting... It is YEARS of conditioning. The concept of what is developing inside another human being is foreign to them. The developing baby has been dehumanized through perverted education. Children are being conditioned to think of the baby as property.
This actually turned into a really good discussion. Thank you for posting this, and thank you for speaking for those in the womb who have no voice.
This man has saved countless lives. And future lives. He is a hero
these women reactions when he said "we ought to be able to kill the most innocent and defenceless among us" - ice cold. I once held the same world view, I pray for their salvation - God saved me and I pray one day he will save them.
Jeff, I love how you: 1) show obvious love and respect to the people with whom you discuss the issue; 2) understand the issue inside and out; and 3) DO NOT GIVE UP (they did).
That’s interesting too that you say Don’t give up, because that’s what we do when we abort a child
Jeff does not really understand this issue inside out, he just understand the part everyone talks about. The fact of the matter is that even these girls and other pro-choice people also do not understand this issue correctly. So, there is ignorance on both sides in most discussions on this topic.
I have respect for these women for not shutting down constructive conversation.
This is truelly one of the best debates i have seen here. I love how these women were so open to what he had to say.
They always shut down the argument when they can't dispute it.
Yes, there was a lot of deflection on tough questions, and you noticed that one Pastor Jeff would hold them to something, they will just try to say we believe what we believe and you believe what you believe.
That's S.O.P. it's like windows 98 and the blue screen of death
I have to say it,
Pastor Durbin is out doing more than the haters who criticize him.
Why does criticism = hatred? Maybe people can simply disagree with him and remain good people.
@@vilicus77
Agreeable point. Have you seen some of the hit pieces out? I have. Definitely haters. But you do make a good point.
@@ptrd Ya, people who blast nonsense online because they have a veil of anonymity are ruining the intellectual fun of the internet. But it happens on all sides; in political conversations and religious ones--no side is immune to it's worst elements. Personally, I am not a theist, and I always receive vitriol form Christians who just want to preach. Atheist do it too. I enjoy it when I have a conversation with a thinker who disagrees with me and can maintain civility and honesty.
@@vilicus77
True, and along the same lines as your point; anonymity doesn't = nonsense and vitriol. I think it's absolutely okay for commentors wanting to keep their privacy.
@@ptrd I totally agree. I use my real name, but abbreviate with my first initial. In your experience, do you see as much negativity coming from people using, what appears to be, their real name? I know it's anecdotal, just curious.
If there was a person like you in every city and every town you would be changing hearts and Minds like I'm sure you are on a multiple scale everyday. We need more people like you please continue what you're doing please rise further and further in the Kingdom
I wish there were more honest discussions like this. Yelling and chanting accomplish nothing!
When I was pregnant, they said they could test to see if my baby would be born with problems. I said nope because it wouldn't matter.
Same. A lady I know did take the test and was strongly encouraged by her practitioner to terminate her pregnancy due to her results indicating Down syndrome. she chose not to terminate and her baby boy was born normal, healthy and without down syndrome. When I heard that story I knew I’d never take that test. I’d hate to spend my whole pregnancy worried about an outcome that may not be accurate. God bless ladies.
Same here, we said nope. Has God ever created anything that wasn't perfect? Nope.
In high school in yr 9 the sex ed teacher was pregnant and she said to us students in the class, she had the test done (was was in her mid 30s) and she was waiting for the results to come back and if positive she was going to have a abortion. I don't think the test was positive b/c she had the baby, lucky for him.
I tested for abnormalities in all of my children. Not so I could kill them, but so I could prepare to care for them as best I could. I wanted to know in advance if my child would need special care or life saving surgeries or therapies.I wanted to do my research to find the appropriate doctors and specialists and have a team ready to help my child as soon as they arrived.
@@saragrace1258 Same, after I had my son doctors found two little holes in his heart which they didn't pick up until after his birth (the doctor heard he had a murmur) thank god he didn't need surgery, my son was healthy compared to some of those babies, but all babies are worth it.
Good to see young women absolutely willing to discuss these vital issues respectfully.
It’s such a great way to reach out to young women but by a male pastor who is well educated
My friend had the standard test to see if her baby had any birth defects, the test said her baby would and the doctors proposed to her options to abort, she chose life and her baby was born with no defects.
It happens all the time!
It happened to me. He's now 18 and in college, thank God!
And if her baby was born with defects, she would probably still love it.
God is saying to these doctors that cannot even get Toyota Corona Virus right. Your not God you don’t know and any mechanism you try to use to obtain a future reading is rubbish and that is true on so many levels, especially on there lockdowns. No economic or financial assistance in anyway just destroy your place of work, business and home. Then tell you it was for your life and health. The problem with these Doctors they don’t have wisdom of God they put there entire faith into that system that when it is wrong by a country mile. Their answer is even worse, it just happened move on. Statistically we got some right. God is 100% and to why his standard of Holiness, Righteousness and Salvation is 100%. I’d rather have my faith in Lord Jesus Christ then in that rubbish. A person of wisdom would not ignore the test a doctor provides, but he won’t rely on it completely. He or She will use the Wisdom to use all different sources before coming to a conclusion like that. To why I argue these medical doctors are nothing more than glorified scientists doing tests on us to see what works or what doesn’t.
Happened to my coworker
This pastor really seems to be inspired by the Holy Spirit, God bless him for fighting for the unborns!
"Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many." Matt 7:14
Beautiful interaction. In the end they said, "We have no king but Caesar", but hopefully, a seed was planted.
I love how these “woke” people don’t seem to know there are plenty of ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies that don’t involve abortions!! You have complete control over your own body prior to conception!!
Yes, but that alone is not an argument for outlawing abortion.
@@wylier actually abortion is not illegal in majority of states, so I’m not sure what you are talking about? If in fact you want autonomy over your own body and feel pregnancy would be a nuisance , it seems self-evident that the most intelligible options would be to make the responsible decision & utilize the readily available (& numerous) inexpensive birth control options available prior to conception - thus showing far greater intelligence and sensitivity!
@@alexkruse5284 that is a strong argument, but birth control is in fact widely available, and widely practiced. However, birth control can actually fail from time to time. It's not as 100 percent foolproof as you imply.
@@wylier planned parenthood is still up and running and offers many affordable options, that are cheaper than abortion - unless you are suggesting that is a less expensive route? !? Also many pharmacies and offer the morning after pill WITHOUT a prescription -and it is far less than the cost of an abortion (at that point conception might not have even happened ) -but if you are concerned that your birth control failed - it’s another option far less traumatizing than abortion! Look @ Wylie, let’s be honest there’s many ways to not get pregnant. Sure accidents happen but for most people if you don’t want to get pregnant you make sure you won’t get pregnant! Like Pastor Durban says only 2% of abortions are for necessary medical interventions and rape so the rest are... ??? They figured an abortion was cheaper ... than a condom? A free morning after pill? Spermicide? Diaphragm? Birth control pills?
@@wylier If you know that birth control can fail and are just going to immediately use that as an excuse, then you should do the responsible intelligent thing and just not have penis-in-vagina sex if you don’t want a child. If you really think that being pregnant and having a child would ruin your life, then a few fleeting minutes of physical pleasure certainly isn’t worth the risk. Abstinence is free and 100% effective. There’s no need for lame excuses or abortion.
The lady in the middle is all for women's rights, but is not sure if a rapist should get the death penalty but a baby should....
This is what happens when you take Jesus out of your life. Accept Jesus today!!
Jesus Saves , If a rapist got any of these women, I'd say these beasts got lucky anyone even touched them..
So what Durbin says is basically
All Life is to be preserved no matter the form (foetuses are babies therefore abortion is equivalent to killing an infant).
There is an exception to this rule (which already contradicts his rule of „all murder is immoral“), if a human has commited an evil act, it is ok to kill him. comminting an act (such as rape) qualifies a human to be in a different „category“ of human.
In a situation where the child is threatening the life of the mother if she doesn‘t abort he has to chose which life to save (because deciding not to abort is equal to chosing to kill the mother) If you follow this, then logically it follows that you cannot defend yourself with deadly force (since that is murdering a human, it doesn‘t matter the situation). Therefore he either breakd his logic OR must value the life of a woman less than that of an (in his word) unborn child. If he goes this route, he is actually using the same argument as pro-choice proponents, which is: „murder“/ending a human life is ok in circumstances where it serves a greater good e.g:
when a foetus endangers the mothers life
when rapists deserve desth penalty
when you defend yourself with deadly force
etc.
To sum up there are two problems here:
he is inconsistant with the maxim of „no human life is to be murdered“
he seems to value a female life less than that, which i think most people disagree with.
Basically what durbin gets wrong is that he claims a (deontological) maxime of „in any possible realm, there shall not be a case of murdering a human life“ because murder is inherently immoral (based on his that‘s pretty Kantian and had one problem: the maxim cannot be broken, so it doesn‘t matter e.g. the „value“ of a human life since all humans shall not be murdered.
Therefore claiming that it is ok to have death penalty invalidates his maxim logically. It is the classical problem of deontology
@@zurrischnurre519 efklelfkw efnw
Let he who has no sin cast the first stone... It's in the Bible John 8:7
Sin is wrong small or big..Can't kill someone because they sinned.
Obviously for to trust God and His goodness and GRACE, you got to have testimony, that's when you have to put aside your human understanding and let His will in your life and have ur faith in him tested... Then u will see He is good for He will never fail his word
2timothy 2:12
@@zurrischnurre519 you're overthinking it. One is a form of justice and another isn't. Our laws are logical and pretty easy to understand. Another example is protecting the innocent in war. He answered what he believes in the the life-threatening case of birth, too, and it is logically consistent. Murder and killing are two different things. Sacrifice is another idea, as well.
this was so incredibly refreshing. thoughtful conversation without name calling, screaming, and insults.
I gave my daughter to adoption 15 years ago. Hardest choice ever. I didn’t want to raise her without a father so at 2 months pregnant I decided then adoption was what I was going to do. The family I chose the mother had 6 miscarriages and couldn’t get pregnant. That was the most comforting to me to have my daughter have a mother who yearned for a child. I was super depressed for about a month afterwards and it took a few more months to heal but I pressed thru. I have no regrets. She is happy and healthy and most importantly she has a family structure that I couldn’t provide.
@HappyToOblige thank you
Incredibly selfless and loving. God bless
God bless you thank you for sharing this
This pastor is gold. Absolutely touched by the Hand of God to do this work. Prayers for you brother and your ministry!
After watching perhaps 20-30 hours of Jeff’s arguments, lectures and debates online over the last couple of years, I’ve found his positions to be almost universally unreasonable and intellectually bankrupt. He’s certainly charismatic and engages with a level of civility I think we should all applaud, and his right and freedom to speak his mind is something we should all champion.
The enemies of free speech and free expression are enemies of all of us-religious or otherwise, pro-choice or prohibitionist.
@@mookiewilson4166 if your conclusion from this video alone is that Jeff is "universally unreasonable and intellectually bankrupt" then you need to watch again. Every point that he introduces is so morally based in truth that there is no response to it except deflection. Every human being is of the same ultimate value from the moment of conception. No one human can have the decision over another human's chance to live. These things are self evident in our souls because the Law of God is written on our hearts.
@@mookiewilson4166 any evidence that his views are unreasonable? I'm not ruling out the possibility that this is true, but I'd like to see for myself. Everything I've seen seems reasonable. So... examples?
What a great job you did. I could see those young ladys thinking.
One can no longer just say, "with the science and everything," and expect to win the debate.
I hope this shows up when people search "beautiful ladies".
I love the respect on both sides! Nice debate! No Name-calling, no cursing, no screaming back n forth! Just a peaceful, mature dialogue!😊👍
Love the way Jeff interacts with people with respect on their views and perspectives, also placing thoughts and questions in their mind. Learning a LOT. Thank You
WOW! Good job, Pastor! Planting seeds of wisdom that will most likely grow inside these women whether they agree with you or not 😉👍
The middle lady keeps saying there are no programs to help. That is a lie. There are many programs.
Yes! My son was diagnosed with an eating disorder at 13 months of age. Regardless of income, you could make 6 figures a year, my state provides early intervention that sends a licensed therapist to my home to provide services. When he would be preschool aged he would have free access to an early intervention preschool with both disabled and regularly developing students. Then when those kids are school aged, there at programs for them within the school system. We decided to go a different route through a therapy center that was funded my local churches just due to personal preference and at 25 months his eating disorder is under control and he is eating normally, but we were offered free services.
This is something I have been able to locate in every state. Maybe some don't have in home intervention, but if they need it, there is a way.
there is? why didnt you name them? and why does someone HAVE to have a fuckign baby? because you want teenagers to become poor lower class citizens with no education or a happy future? nope just working shitty jobs for shitty wages with a shitty family and a shitty life. congrats you are as immoral as your bible
Xarai I was a single mother at 21. Hadn’t completed college yet. The local health department in every state offers subsided food programs, medical programs, child care programs, and housing programs. I know because I used them. 12 years later and I’m married with two more children. No longer in poverty because I worked my way out. Women are more powerful than you’re giving them credit for. Becoming a mother DOESNT make us weak it actually makes us stronger ;)
@@Xarai "working shitty jobs for shitty wages with a shitty family and a shitty life..." A shitty family??! A shitty life?? Wtf is wrong with you? Poor ppl''s families are shitty are they? Their lives are shitty? You just betrayed what contempt you actually have for poor people. But yeah, you're the caring one right? What a disgusting way to speak about ppl.
There are 1 programs, do not have sex...as a man I use my right hand, as a woman use a dildo or your finger...needs meet no child involved
Your logic and questions were perfect. Anyone open minded would have to agree with you
You are so patient, as I have lost a sibling and a grandchild to abortion and I have zero tolerance for it! I know these people are lost in darknes but it's so hard to see people who have no value for the precious gift of life that God gives.
Praying for the precious children!🙏✝️
There ears open it’s so awesome to see people listen instead of interrupt get angry and disrespectful.
This pastor is amazing at sharing the truth with love! Jesus is smiling watching this man. Well done brother!
"They would be better off dead," or "if you want to call it killing children..." This is how the generation now is thinking. Absolutely heartbreaking.
These girls will be forever changed by this, and he didnt even need the gruesome videos of what actuall y happens during an abortion. God bless this man.
God bless Pastor Jeff, so gracious. Hopefully these ladies will think beyond the conversation and have a change of heart. I feel that their minds were just closed but really it was their hardened hearts that prevented any breakthrough.
The bible said: Our body is temple of the Holy Spirit. Amen.
Yes Amen the babies body is the temple also or does babies bodies not count
Yes it is but you must be born again for your body to be the Temple of God and that is only possible by believing in Jesus Christ and repent from you Sin but a baby cant do that cause it doesnt have the Knowledge of Sin
That’s only for Born again Christians. The Holy Spirit doesn’t force himself unto people that don’t want him. That would kinda be spiritual rape, God is a gentleman he’ll wait until you consent and ask him in.
Well, that is True For CHRISTians. This is a different issue for pagans that are slaughtering their precious children. They are indwelt by a different 'spirit' -none of which is HOLY. They were however, Created in the Image of GOD. They must suppress this Truth and We must expose The TRUTH, as HE Is Our MASTER.
@@mikebaku1803 , very good! This is the closest to Truth, most Scriptural that i've seen here. We are actually Born Again From ABOVE, by GOD Alone, and then HE Grants Us Faith and Repentance unto Eternal Life! Keep up the Good, Brother Like. Solí DÊÔ Gloría
Props to Pastor Jeff for helping these women think outside the box, but also I commend these young women for being able to debate without insult, without yelling, and without resorting to aggressive tactics!! Bravo! It is so rare to see, I wish more discussions were like this.
This is the most beautiful way in which to deliver the message of truth! Jeff you are an amazing man of God and the way in which you spoke to these ladies is no less than admirable. You had them thinking, and who knows, one day those seeds you have planted in their hearts may bear fruit!! Thank you so much! When I shared this message with my young adult daughters, they were amazed. Bless you!
I admire his patience with these ladies. And I really like how these ladies showed him respect. This is how people should so speak when they don’t agree on something but this is a great conversation.
Great civil debate, this is the only way to change minds
Every time middle girl has no come back she says let me ask you a question.
The middle girl's the most intelligent & honest, she's just unwilling to submit herself to higher law. That is the rebellious antiChrist spirit of "feminism" at work.
I mean it's fair to respond to a question with a question. There isn't anything wrong with that really. Espically when asking for clarification or when trying to get someone to think.
@@kurimsonkitsune4408 There isn't a problem with a question, but the questions she asked were trying to twist his argument, like "so you think rape and incest is ok?"
Wow. Really appreciate the interviewer's gracious attitude but adamant stand for the truth and logical arguments.
I am binge watching these street apologetic vids. Thank you so much this is so inspiring!
Lol me too, I stayed up till 7am two days ago watching them
One of the best pastors ever!!!! May our King Jesus Christ bless you and your family and your ministry🤙🏻
Chilling ending that will stay with each of these ladies. Good work, Jeff.
This was beautiful ❤️ Thank you Pastor you did a wonderful Job. As for the Ladies thank you for listening, that was a great productive conversation
We need more pastors like this man after the lord.
I'm glad my mother didn't abort me.
she didnt have a choice back then. cant be thankful XD it was required
Me too. God bless you!
@@Xarai everyone did have that choice lol, but they usually did illegal abortions. Thankfully my mother wanted my sister and me lol
Me too she gave me up for adoption, and I was adopted by the greatest set of parents that God has blessed me with
@@Xarai ?
God bless you Pastor Jeff and Apologia Studios. Praying everyday that God will bring an end to this horrific practice of the murder of children.
Beautiful conversation. Those 3 women are compassionate. I hope they follow their heart bc it's literally right there
The blonde in the sunglasses was respectful and asked great questions but she wasn't having the God talk at all. Lol. This was good stuff. Great, peaceful conversation. Really liked it.
The mental gymnastics is unreal.... They should join the Olympics
They would lose, they are using the system to get their way. So cheating in essence
Can you like if like I like and then like the form of like so... like I can't like to like for the like like like like like!!!!! BOOOM
Christians do plenty of mental gymnastics as well. Also you should read what Numbers 5:19-22, 27-28. Those verses literally talk about inducing miscarriages to verify whether or not women had not been unfaithful to their husbands.
I was once young and believed as they did until the Holy Spirit changed me. I know God weeps for the aborted, takes them Home and warns this world He will not be patient forever.
@@Tyasiaaaa Amen, Sister. I'm glad you had a change of heart.
@Kyla Morales Amen!
Oh, well if God just takes them then I guess I don't feel so bad aborting them! I have just become pro-choice thank you very much!
Regardless of the disagreement these women show a high level of respect and articulate dialogue. Definitely compassionate respectable women, great discussion.
This is beautiful. The Holy Spirit speaks through Pastor Jeff in amazing ways. God bless this ministry
Seed planted. Now the Holy Spirit will work the seed
jay Yes
holy spirit doesnt exist lol
I appreciate the love he showed. He loved them with the truth! He was patient, kind, AND BROUGHT THE FACTS!
At least these women actually debated it, discussed it instead of being arrogant and violent. It's a great start.
These women were so respectful. With so many instances in ur abortion debate videos of people screaming and cussing u out, this was so much of a breath of fresh air that it made my day. God bless em
Come on there’s no excuse. If someone educates themself about having sex then they can educate themself on preventing pregnancy