Pro-Life Christian vs Pro-Choice Leftist on Roe & Abortion | Guest: Brandan Robertson | Ep 612
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Today we're happy to welcome Pastor Brandan Robertson to the show to discuss and debate the issue of abortion. Brandan represents the pro-choice side of things and gives his thoughts on Roe v. Wade being overturned as well as what he thinks laws regarding abortion should look like. We end up debating the theological and scientific question of when life begins, and although things get a little intense at times, it's so important that Christians with differing views are able to come together for civil discussion and debate.
Note: There were a few times in the conversation when Brandan was trying to interject, but his audio didn't come through due to Skype settings that are meant to prevent audio feedback. This was not intentional on our part; once we noticed, we briefly stopped the interview to fix the issue.
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Pro-Life Christian vs Pro-Choice Leftist on Roe & Abortion | Guest: Brandan Robertson | Ep 612
Yes, life begins at conception. www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/wdhbb.html
acpeds.org/position-statements/when-human-life-begins
quillette.com/2019/10/16/i-asked-thousands-of-biologists-when-life-begins-the-answer-wasnt-popular/
Speaking of John the Baptist -
“For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother’s womb”.-Luke 1:15
Babies are people in the womb. Clumps of cells or "not yet a person" type arguments do not explain how God could fill a person with His Spirit while still in the womb.
The right to your body ends where another begins. If people don't have the right to life then they have no rights at all
I understand what you mean by those terms, but please be careful when using those terms. Conception used to be synonymous with fertilization. But those definitions have changed in recent editions of Stedman's Medical Dictionary. The uniting of the sperm and the egg is now called fertilization. Conception is now defined as the implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterus.
"Until recently, conception was synonymous with fertilization. In fact, in the 26th edition of Stedman’s Medical Dictionary, conception was defined as the “act of conceiving, or becoming pregnant; fertilization of the oocyte (ovum) by a spermatozoon to form a viable zygote.”5 Conception was defined as the time of fertilization.
However, something interesting happened in the next five years. In the 27th edition of Stedman’s Medical Dictionary, conception is defined as follows: “Act of conceiving; the implantation of the blastocyte in the endometrium.”
answersingenesis.org/sanctity-of-life/when-does-life-begin/
Thought you might like that article since you will be speaking there next year.
Allie, this guy and guys like him are blind to reason. I think the best approach would be to have your data against him ready and build your case to strengthen your viewers rather than trying to change his mind and letting him get under your skin.
Wishing you had this up to cite during the conversation. Would’ve loved to hear his rebuttal.
I was raped and told to
Abort.. I did not and now I have a young man who is looooooove with Jesus! What the devil uses for pain God turns into a blessing! All for our good and HIS GLORY!
😭What a beautiful testimony. I am sorry you had to endure that. However, we give God ALL the praise and Glory for the life of your son. 🙏
Wow. What a beautiful testimony. Similar to Francine Rivers books called the Atonement child
Thank you for being a good person after all the bad that happened to you. You are amazing and I'm so glad your child gets to enjoy the joys of life.
COPIUM
Amen!!!! Thank you Jesus❤
I was told as early as 8 weeks to abort my baby because my life was in “danger” and my baby, if I decided to keep, would be a vegetable or have all sorts of issues.
We decided to trust God, the giver of life.
Against all odds we decided to keep the pregnancy. Yes, my son was born prematurely at 28 weeks but he survived.
Not only did he survived but he’s a healthy 14 year old weighing 180 lbs and measuring 5’9”
All glory to God!
Wonderful!
Voddie bauchan… he’s a great big viper in a diaper. An object of wrath for destrcution… right? That’s why god gave him life
So happy for you and your son! Praise the Lord!!
Amen I was premature as well and I know it was the grace and mercy and love of God that I survived me and my mom both. Because when she had me she had toxemia and it's only by the grace of God that we lived. Stay encouraged keep on going be blessed
Awesome testimony. I often hear of misdiagnosis from doctors who say the child is often in danger and it’d Amazon to see how many times these babies are born healthy. Imagine if we trusted God as a nation rather than our fears and our anxieties.
When I got pregnant at 18 my baby had a deformity in his brain and my doctor told me every week during my heck up that I should abort . We had everything and everybody set in place to handle his deformity and the day before I gave birth my last weekly ultrasound at 37weejs the deformity disappeared all my doctor said was “I guess it was a shadow “ it wasn’t a shadow it was in every ultrasound every week and growing so god healed him ! He’s almost 20 urs old beautiful perfect young man
Thank you for choosing life and for sharing your story. God is so good!
Praise God!!!!
My mouth dropped open when he said a baby wasn't a human until 20 weeks. I remember seeing and hearing my daughter's heart at 6 weeks. Just wow!
Seriously. Him shaking His head no. Um sir, SIR…are you a mother. Have you seen your child and heard you child and felt your child love inside of you? No so stop shaking your head.
A heart is just pump made of muscle, it cannot think.
@@jonatand2045 The heart is just a flutter at 6 weeks that is controlled by the brain, you have one right? check in to this and get the story right.
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A barely formed brain cannot do much thinking, if any at all. That is why the mother is more important than the fetus.
@@jonatand2045 Give it a couple weeks. It doesn't matter if they can't think. It's still a human fastly developing.
Why does he want to see a decrease in abortion rates if it's not a baby? If it's not a life or moral issue then why does he want to see less of them?
That’s a good point
His “argument” was full of holes and contradictions. But I’m not surprised after looking up who he is. Sad.
Exactly what I was going to say! It’s like when pro-choicers wanted to make abortion “safe, legal and rare.” Why would they care if it was rare? If it’s just a blob of cells and not the killing of a human being, then who cares? In saying that, they inadvertently admit the undeniable humanity of the child and the moral crime that occurs when innocent life is stomped out.
You make a very good point.
This jumped out at me right away!!
If abortion isn't wrong why does seeing the number of abortions performed decrease matter at all?
"that thing that you call a baby" my jaw dropped...I just can't believe he said that. 😳 The heart of humanity is really wicked and deceitful.
That guy also calls himself a pastor, and consistently says garbage like "Jesus was a racist, and learned to repent of his racism." He's the absolute text-book definition of a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing.
I’m convinced that this guy is a demon in human form cause all that comes out of his mouth is unadulterated blasphemy.
@@dananderson6697 Is he even in sheeps clothing at this point? Honestly
@@henryconner780 I know what you mean. Unfortunately, as long as he persists in calling himself a Christian and trying to teach his nonsense using scripture, the term applies.
This man is a joke, and should take back his claim to be a true follower of Christ Yeshua.
SICK SICK SICK 💔💔
Biologically the zygote (once the sperm and egg genes combine) produces distinct protein polysaccharide markers on all of the cell membranes that are different from the mother's. The mother's antibodies would actively destroy the embryo if the placenta did not protect this new, separate human. This is one of many reasons scientifically, a new living human is defined at the time of conception.
Lets gooo
Otherwise known as fertilization. Implantation is not conception regardless of how some MAN changes the terminology. An implanted fetus was already conceived when fertilized.
Ken Welker, thanks for your insights; I am pro life because of God's word, and I am also starting to learn the biological part of understanding when life begins. I agree, the living human at the time of conception.
Correction: at the time of fertilization.
The first link states clearly that life begins at fertilization, not implantation. Which would mean every woman who has done IVF is discarding of and freezing human beings. Either a murderer or evil. Is this incorrect?
I have always taken notice at how often Brandan says "as a pastor" and "as a Christian". Every person he talks to he is constantly reminding them that he has the moral high ground because he is representing Christ. Sadly, everything he stands for is what Jesus died for. To have your church named Metanoia Church and openly celebrate sin is a clear sign of the times we now live in. They will not only practice such things but give approval and celebrate those who practice them.
I was telling my husband about this and I said the same thing. Ironically he named His church Metanoia but He is an false teacher, in deep deception and has NOT repented for His sin and teaches others to embrace and accept theirs. 💔
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Yes! And for a supposed Christian pastor, I don't think he used any scripture to back up his position...along with his "science" unlike Allie always bringing it back to not only the worth of the baby but the scriptures and might I add real science to to defend her position.
@@tizute He didn’t use any scripture. he’s preaching out of his emotions and feelings and not trusting in Gods word.
The most relevant text to current church problems seems to be 1 Cor. 5. Sinful behavior is being openly celebrated in the church. Paul would be going ham on this nonsense, we should too.
This woman's epic!! Wow. Praise God for powerful bold Christians
I actually like that this false teacher is getting confronted.
ABS is on fire here… thank God for people like her.
Me too!
Amen!! We need to expose these woke leftist usurpers. They are anything but Christian.
Yes!
What do you mean “actually”? No one is saying otherwise
As a Christian, we don’t claim him.
Brandon, stop calling yourself one, it’s offensive towards those who are.
I completely agree.
Yes! 🙌🏽
Jesus loves him. You hate him. -- You have no Truth
@Randy Hardin You get that from a fortune cookie at Panda Express?
@Randy Hardin Hmm... So it's not the Truth. It's your version. I know Jesus said you shouldn't expect the Truth will bring peace.
32:00 "I'm not going to emotionalize this issue....I stand with the millions of people who agree with me." This guy is unbelievable. In one breath he denounces "emotionalism" and then immediately cites random "popular opinion" as the rationale for his position.
im definitely not in his numbers for sure.
I’ll never understand how you can claim “Christian” but support abortion. He is a preacher? I feel horrible that this man is leading people astray.
That’s what the Bible calls a “false prophet”. Mathew 7:15
He thinks he is a pastor, simply by buying an online license.
He’s a wolf. 2Peter 2.
You'll know them by their fruit.......his fruit is rotten to the core.
Brandan Roberson is a Proud Practicing Homosexual who claims to be a Pastor! That pretty much says it all!
Alley: "You cannot die until you've lived"
That dude: "That's illogical"
Me: 😂
This one got me. His eyes are so blinded…
That was literally illogical.. only the living can die.. they will call evil good
Agreed Allie, my sonographer told me (at my 20 week appt) that my baby died in utero at 15 weeks. Obviously it was alive up until that point. We heard the heartbeat just a few weeks earlier. The anguish of a miscarriage was so intense as a mother losing her baby. I don’t know how we could give this life less value.
@@Rainbows78 I'm so sorry for your loss! My daughter and her husband have gone through this. She still grieves.
@@Rainbows78 My mom once told us that she kept dreaming of our miscarried brother until she made a handsewn onesie for him and had a remembrance ceremony. Even after having 8 more of us, her heart ached for her lost baby.
No offense, but no one should be giving this guy any validation or airtime. That being said, you did great.
THIS IS THE BEST COMMENT, YES
Agreed. Only way to keep him and his twisted message to himself.
It’s a lesson in how to deal with people making bad arguments.
He is brainwashed by evil ....
There's no way this guy can be a pastor and think like he does. He's on the Wide Road, and so is anyone who follows him. God Help them!
Yep. He would of been burned at the stake years ago.
Totally agree, we need to pray for him and for all of his followers.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
@@jwright6341 Yep. Know your Scripture. Yesterday I had Mormons at my door saying there wasn’t a Hell when Jesus spoke often of Hell. False teachers have a litttle bit of truth and can twist it in the slightest most cunning way looking like light but lead you away from Christ.
He is most definitely preaching a false gospel. Mike Winger goes through some of his teachings. It's really sad.
What is the “Wide Road”?
Allie, the opening of this segment was beautiful. You addressed the potential mothers and post-abortive women with grace and love. God bless.
I agree, beautifully done ❤️
Yes I started off listening with tears of love welling up for her articulate proposal of Gods grace is ever sufficient. So beautiful and of course true.
My wife turned me on to your stuff. So thankful for your ministry, sister!
Think about this FACT: "You still have the same heart that began beating in your mother's womb" You were YOU, even in the womb. So, remember to thank your mother this Mother's Day, for CHOOSING to let YOU be LIVE and be born
Amen!!!
In my mind, I rationalize and justify abortion using the same logic that I use to rationalize and justify pulling the plug on someone in a deep coma. Science teaches us that fetuses in the first trimester have about the same level of sentience as a person in a persistent vegetative state.
Imagine that someone I knew were in a coma. Even if there is a chance that the patient might recover, you could still legally pull the plug on them.
If a loved one of mine were in a coma, recovery would require expensive surgery and/or the patient is likely to have a bad quality of life and/or the survival of the patient would cause an inconvenience for someone else, it would not guarentee me pulling the plug, there is a chance that I might seek the surgery and medical treatment necessary for the patient to recover, but even one of those above conditions being met would make me far more likely to pull the plug.
Whether or not pulling the plug is the right choice is a complex issue that varies greatly on a case by case basis, as is the case with abortion. There exist instances where people choose abortion and they shouldn't, that does not mean that I believe abortion should be out lawed, the same can be said about euthanasia.
100%. You did not become a human being from the embryo. You WERE the embryo.
Some people get heart transplants
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
Jeremiah 1:5
❤️
I was just about to say this…👶🏼
I love how Allie uses Science to back up the different stages of a tree. Those who love divisions in the Church use dwelling words and feed their own belly’s. No truth in this guy!
Meanwhile this false teacher doesn't consider it a tree till it's full grown.....how does he even reconcile that in his mind?
@@StevenAakre Many love the lie to justify their own sin instead of the truth, that’s how.
God bless you, Allie. We need more like you. Only the work of the Holy Spirit could make it possible for you to remain composed and rational while talking to that guy.
"There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to Him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood,…" Proverbs 6:16-17
yeah, I wish she had asked him what he thought about the 'shedding of innocent blood', because he was nodding at that point.
@motorTranz Touché!
All three of those were present on one side of that argument. It cannot be denied.
When a person can read the Bible and come away with a God that affirms homosexuality, it's perfectly in line to also come away with a God who approves of the killing of the unborn. This video was Romans 1 playing out before us.
Without an absolute standard, one is free to create morality, logic and God in their own image.
Brandon: it is clear to see you are an apostate. I plead with you to open your eyes to the God of Scripture that you know exists. The only way you can be saved is to let your theology dictate your lifestyle and not the other way around.
Allie Beth you nailed it! You have biology and theology on your side.
Allie, you did such a great job. Thank you so much for your courage confronting the evil of our day, even the evil that masquerades as Christianity.
I had a miscarriage in 2012 and I seen my baby in the first trimester I was able to see the heart beat. Month later I miscarriage when I went to the hospital they told me I had a spontaneous abortion that my uterus was empty. I was heart broken when I got home that day I passed my baby and it looked human just very tiny . I blamed my self I had nothing but hate for myself. As mother the safest place for your baby should be your womb . So that event made me 100%pro life on a positive note my body was still acting pregnant a few weeks later I found out I was still pregnant that I was pregnant with twins and had miscarried one of them .I am grateful to God every day for him. Flash forward to today I am a Mother of 5 with a baby on the way. My husband and I could not be happier. Life starts at conception.
I'm so sorry for your loss
Thank you for sharing your experience
It does not matter what this man calls himself or says he is… he is LOST and doing the work of the devil. Period. Pray for his salvation because he is not saved.
So you are judging....... who gives you the right to judge?
@@jamesmckee4373 James 5:19-20, 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15, Hebrews 3:13
@@jamesmckee4373 The Bible is clear about about false teachers. He is obviously not a Christian.
His father is Satan
@@ebonyaddison3021 Is that the issue? Whether he is a Christian is unimportant. We are talking about the law of the land. Is it moral to enforce your religious beliefs on others? Were not the founding fathers concerned about a separation of church and state?
Beth you are very sharp and know this issue. God bless you and thank you.
Him: “I want the abortion rate to be reduced”
Allie: “how do you want to do that?”
Him: “by making them more easily accessible”.
And he had the gall to say your position is irrational…
Completely illogical. That’s like saying you want to make less robberies by decriminalizing robbery.
"I want to see abortions reduced through xyz methods."
My question is - why? If you don't think it's murder then what's the issue? Why not at least say you're totally neutral to the numbers if it's not a human person? They realize something smells bad with this issue, but they refuse to follow the logical ends of any of their arguments.
Mystical religions (which are demonic - if it’s not of God, it’s of Satan) have contradicting points. Their ideals don’t make sense yet they try to make them make sense. That’s why when you are in Christ, you have beliefs that align with God’s will which is simple and and easy to understand.
Have we not seen more accessible abortions along with more accessible birth control result in lower abortion rates in certain countries?
@@rescueferret8834 so do you believe it's murder?
Allie you did a great job one of the best interviews I’ve seen with this guy
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil.
ATTENTION PRO LIFERS! ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS
''When does person hood begin in pregnancy? ''
Now if your answer is at conception because it has a different DNA I would argue what about the person suffering from Chimerism who has genomically different sets of cells, Would there be multiple people living inside of him? Because the criteria is fulfilled -Independent DNA and human cell
People cheered in New York when abortion up to birth was passed, but people went batsh*t when Texas passed a heartbeat bill
@@johnfoltz8183 No such thing as abortion up to birth dawg. Its federally banned check partial birth abortion ban act of 2003
Amen
Pray for him, he is lost. Allie, kudos for having him on that takes a lot of perseverance to do that kind of interview. Maybe something u said will put a stone in his shoe.
Yes that is exactly what I am thinking as soon as the video began.
He's not deceived, he's a deceiver. He needs justice, not mercy.
I just found this video, and you go queen! You are so sharp, and intelligent, and have now gained another subscriber. Thanks so much sis!
“It has to live for it to die.” His response, “That is a completely illogical argument.” 🤦What?!?!
His willful blindness is staggering. Every mother who has seen a moving baby and beating heart on an ultrasound and then that heart stops beating and you see a still baby in an ultrasound knows the truth about that death. It’s nonsensical to claim that child was never actually alive.
Seriously, my jaw dropped.
I struggle to find common ground to unite with “Christians” who can flippantly say that murdering unborn children is a general health practice. You impressed me with your ability to stick to your arguments and not give way to the “hyper emotionality” you were accused of displaying.
Allie you are WISE beyond your years. I am SO THANKFUL for you
As a nurse who has volunteered and worked in a pro life pregnancy center, I can attest that not one young lady that I was involved with that chose to abort her baby did so because of health reasons. The choice was primarily made because it did not fit into their plans or lifestyle. I would like to add that for most, this decision is very difficult and one they struggle with because they have been deceived by our culture and blinded by the father of lies. We see many that come back to us for help because they are emotionally and mentally wrecked after they have gone through with the abortion. My heart breaks for these young women who are now left with a choice that can't be reversed. We offer programs and counseling, among other resources, for these women. It is very sad.
Yes, that is exactly what the research shows. I'm tired of most arguments focusing on all the other reasons. Primarily it's because it's inconvenient.
Yeah, something like 95+% of abortions are elective only.
Which means all their arguments about safe n' rare and muh mother's health are emotionally manipulative rather than based on actual numbers. So much for "follow the science", it would cost planned parenthood too much money.
Amanda Holloway. That is a great point. That brings me to an point of nuance regarding my opinion on abortion and when that is and is not the right choice.
In my mind, I rationalize and justify abortion using the same logic that I use to rationalize and justify pulling the plug on someone in a deep coma. Science teaches us that fetuses in the first trimester have about the same level of sentience as a person in a persistent vegetative state.
Imagine that someone I knew were in a coma. Even if there is a chance that the patient might recover, you could still legally pull the plug on them.
If a loved one of mine were in a coma, recovery would require expensive surgery and/or the patient is likely to have a bad quality of life and/or the survival of the patient would cause an inconvenience for someone else, it would not guarentee me pulling the plug, there is a chance that I might seek the surgery and medical treatment necessary for the patient to recover, but even one of those above conditions being met would make me far more likely to pull the plug.
Whether or not pulling the plug is the right choice is a complex issue that varies greatly on a case by case basis, as is the case with abortion. There exist instances where people choose abortion and they shouldn't, that does not mean that I believe abortion should be out lawed, the same can be said about euthanasia.
So sad 😞
You are very correct. I have also volunteered for many years now at a pregnancy center and I can say that not one of those women I've met who went on to have an abortion did so because of health risks.
I've seen clips of this man before he isn't a Christian he needs Jesus.
Is he not the tik tokker who said Jesus was racist as well?
@@SunshineRox007 - he has said all sorts of crap.
@@SunshineRox007 - why does he even claim to be a Christian? he doesn’t seem to believe or cherish any of the core tenants… so why not just go start his own religion, or just a “self-help” career?
@@SunshineRox007 yes
@@Sam_T2000 I personally think he isn't a believer, & that he's kept himself tied to some semblance of Christianity, in order to try to bastardise & subvert it.
Life ends when your heart stops… so life begins when heart starts !💜
So when doctors perform a heart transplant and put the patient on a heart-lung machine...that person's life is over?
Viability, in my professional medical scientific world, is when we see a heart beat. Which by ultrasound, can be seen as early as 5 weeks from the first day of the womens last period and 3 weeks from conception. When we see a heartbeat it is considered a viable embryo or fetus depending on the age of gestation. He is speaking about viability outside the womb and science is saving fetuses earlier and earlier as technology has progressed over the years.
Exactly! 👍🏻
Your latter statement is a testament to the arbitrary standard of viability outside of the womb. As science progresses and babies can live early and early outside, would that mean that humans are becoming valuable sooner and sooner? It just doesn’t make sense to me
How can there be a heartbeat when there is literally no heart. Electrical activity at best.
That tree 🌴🌴 argument!!
In my mind, I rationalize and justify abortion using the same logic that I use to rationalize and justify pulling the plug on someone in a deep coma. Science teaches us that fetuses in the first trimester have about the same level of sentience as a person in a persistent vegetative state.
Imagine that someone I knew were in a coma. Even if there is a chance that the patient might recover, you could still legally pull the plug on them.
If a loved one of mine were in a coma, recovery would require expensive surgery and/or the patient is likely to have a bad quality of life and/or the survival of the patient would cause an inconvenience for someone else, it would not guarentee me pulling the plug, there is a chance that I might seek the surgery and medical treatment necessary for the patient to recover, but even one of those above conditions being met would make me far more likely to pull the plug.
Whether or not pulling the plug is the right choice is a complex issue that varies greatly on a case by case basis, as is the case with abortion. There exist instances where people choose abortion and they shouldn't, that does not mean that I believe abortion should be out lawed, the same can be said about euthanasia.
A POTENTIAL life is an unfertilized egg. Once it’s fertilized, the potential life has become an ACTUAL life
When does personhood begins at a pregnancy?
@@ajaycyriljose9419 its a human being man its just at another stage of development, its alive how could it grow if not?
@@brandonjade2146 Why do you characterise a zygote as a human being? Is it because of Independent DNA? Because then a person with chimerism also has cells with different DNA , does that mean there are different people living inside of him?
My point is Life begins at conception Person hood however begins at Viability. Because every human fetus inorder to exist in the world has to attain viability inorder to be a human being that is to exist in the outside world.
Viability is simply BIOLOGICAL INDEPENDENCY from BIOLOGICAL MOTHER that is the crucial factor for Person hood i.e. being recognised as a person or an individual.
@@ajaycyriljose9419 if u watched the video youd know viability is arbitrary its not the same for all pregnancies because some develop faster than others also it changes as time goes on with advancement of technology babies earlier and earlier in development can survive out of the room. See what i mean? The viability argument creates a grey area, you cant use that to determine when abortion is moral and even then you are saying taking a life is ok if it cant sustain itself which is evil logic
Life is an individual's experiences from birth to death. Every stage of pregnancy is potential life. And before anyone cries it with the lie of "innocent baby" no it is not and you haven't the proof to support that statement.
He’s for this world. It’s so sad. He’s willing to stand with the millions of people but forsake the Bible. Makes my heart break. Allie, your passion was contagious. Keep up the great work.
My goodness... his arguments were painful to listen to, but I respect that he was willing to come on and debate. It's just so sad how blind he is the illogic in what he's saying. Allie, thank you so much for doing this and not backing town from the truth! I am praying for both of you.
Pastor John Piper from what I’ve seen is solid, not this guy who doesn’t know the whole counsel of God with a few Scriptures thrown out. Love Allie quotes Scripture.
I don’t respect an evil ‘pastor’.
He's worshiping the culture, and seems to want to be applauded by the world.
Wolf in sheeps clothing
He seeks approval of the world over approval from Christ. He will receive his just reward 😢
Stucky: please no ad hominem attacks.
You:
What a way to expose a false teacher! Thank you Allie!
I laughed when Allie mentioned the kicking and moving in the womb and he shakes his head no, like he has been pregnant 😂 he’s the wrong gender to have an opinion on this at all.
He, and others who defend his view, seem very lost, and I will be praying for them.
There are people happy to welcome a baby kicking...both genders.
There is no right or wrong gender to discuss this subject.
There are about 70 million unborn babies aborted by women every year worldwide. If men/fathers had a legal say on the matter I am certain we could've saved millions of those murdered babies.
@@adamdilem941 Agreed. The slogan of the extreme left = you can only have an opinion about what you are. To the point that some heshe in Matt Walsh's docu claimed "only a woman can tell you what a woman is...." Matt's response "are you a cat? Can you tell me what a cat is?" Lol. But seriously tho, at this rate they'll claim you have to be an unborn child to have an opinion about whether an unborn child is a human life. Smh.
Most of them are not lost, they are exactly where they want to be.
Evil is evil, and it stays evil no matter what the genders are of the people involved.
It was so fun to see him get frustrated and her just keep beating his case, but it was also saddening to see how much people can be blind and how they can reject truth so bad
This guy makes my brain hurt. Awesome job confronting him, Allie! Thank you for continuing to shine a light on TRUTH via your platform.
Yeah - its amazing that God has given some abundant patience to deal with people I personally prefer to ignore / avoid as starting to really appreciate how necessary these debates are - even the nonsensical debates about sex and gender - for the sake of the young, the innocent, the confused or naive, who these wolves target. They need to hear and be reminded of rational thought to rescue their minds from the aggressive brainwashing!
Looking into this guy a bit more makes it clear that he is living contrary to the bible in more ways than this. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Im not surprised. The conversation itself tells you that
The whole "Lazarus being called out from the tomb was an allegory that Jesus was calling his friend out of the closet & want's you to come out of the closet", to me, was the final nail in the coffin...
Tip of the iceberg I can’t believe she called him a Christian on this show. He called Jesus a racist! He said Jesus had to repent of his racism! Wtf this guy is not a Bible guy he hates the Bible and he doesn’t believe in the resurrection of Christ. He is not a Christian
Almost every video on his TikTok page goes against the Bible.
I am pro Life 100000% no exceptions! Im with you Allie 🙏🏼❤️✝️
Abortion is murder. We felt your passion on this issue Allie. Thank you.
I wish the guy you were talking to would stop calling himself a Christian Pastor. He’s confusing a lot of people. You can’t be a true Christian and be okay with murdering babies. The people he’s pastoring should find another church.
He is a gay "pastor." He has said some truly blasphemous things. He is a heretic. I pray God opens his eyes.
The feistiness Allie 😍😍 yes yes yes. Potential means possibility but not yet. You can’t end something that hasn’t begun.
and dead things don't grow. Also, Brandan is a juvenile human, and is a potential adult human.
@@ybh8ful I thought the same. If it’s not growing, it’s dying. And if it’s growing, it’s alive.
@@meljon3905 - Brilliant point what differentiates a embryo from a
mass of cancer cells?
The spark of life, a supernatural beginning. Human life and once
begun without interference will
be a spectacular living person.
So now the government will say
"Let the states mull it over and take a
public vote ".🗳
There should be guidelines,
New Jersey, New Hampshire,
New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Vermont, Colorado, Alaska and California
debate the matter presently.
Five months can live under most current
conditions. If the heart can beat the spark of life is present. 🎁
Babies kick and can play games before
Exactly.
Organisms don’t develop unless they’re alive.
His comparison of the seed not being a tree and the embryo/fetus not being a human is flawed. A better comparison of the seed would either be the egg or the sperm.
And thank you for bringing up miscarriage Allie Beth. As a woman who has had 2 miscarriages, what a slap in the face to say I lost "a potential human" or it wasn't alive or a life (like I have heard others say). I lost my baby. I heard my baby's tiny heart beating at 6 weeks already. It was a living human being and it died.
I hope Brandan comes back! Good for you, Allie for taking the opportunity to share the gospel with him. I'll be praying that God grants him true metanoia!
Doesn't "metanoia" mean "after these things?"
@@ericlammerman2777 it means repentance, literally a transformative change of heart in Greek
@@megred7364 wow. and he doesn't actually believe in SIN.
@@ybh8ful I know, I think he uses the word to mean basically a change in understanding of Christianity but I don't follow him so I am not really sure how he uses the word.
I will pray for him- so sad to watch him defend abortion. Allie I love your witness- you are a gift to the Church.
You can see the confusion on his face. This was an excellent debate and I so appreciate both of you being willing to do it. Of course, the truth always holds and it did here. A baby is a human with rights from the moment of its conception.
Can man create life itself? Man gives seed, women an egg...against all odds the two come together and begin to become one but it is only God who grants life at that moment. We get the gift to be carries of life as women. Man and women come together and again only God can open the womb and fill a man's quiver for the two to come together to be fruitful and multiple. It's all controlled and granted by God. A gift He gives alone. From the dust of the earth...He creates life. Who is man that he would even attempt to destroy and stop what God has given life to. Man nor women are their own, they were bought with a price. We say it's the women's body so she can make the decision but what about the man? Are we surprised with their lack of care for women when their voice was also taken away and not even considered.
When viability is brought up, I find it compelling to mention how that can change over time/place. More technological advancements means viability earlier in the pregnancy but that can change overnight with a blackout or if someone lives in a less developed part of the country- basing our right to life off of the available technology is illogical and arbitrary.
"If we overturn Roe then women will do dangerous things to have an abortion."
Only the first couple will. After that people might think twice before they get pregnant.
the simple solution to the dangerous “back alley” abortion problem is simple: don’t procure and back alley abortion. or better yet, don’t get pregnant in the first place, if you don’t want to have a child.
and I’ve been hearing the argument that banning abortion would actually _increase_ the number of abortions… how is this physically, logically possible? at very worst, the number of abortions would stay the same, though I find that all but impossible.
Right?! That argument makes no sense. It's like saying if a k*ller doesn't get his way he might end his own life so let's give him a m*rder weapon.
I've always thought it's funny that they call this protecting women. Why are we protecting women from dangerous situations they created?
And these are the same people who not only turn their backs to suicide, they want to expand assisted suicide.
Very true.
Actually, when there were not killer clinics, women did do dangerous things. But every abortion is deadly dangerous TO THE CHILD.
Saying that Lazarus was coming out is extremely far fetched. That is COMICAL. Holy crap 😂😂
a "Christian pastor" who doesn't mention abstinence even once??
Look at some of the stuff he encourages and believes. He does not believe sex before marriage is wrong, I am almost certain.
@genuine guy no, it is not opinion. it's hard truth and the reason why the US is #1 for single motherhood in the world. this stark fact does not bode well for this country's future.
Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them. Psalm 139:16
I think the very first question I would have asked him, is why do you think abortions should be decreased? If they’re not wrong, why would you want less?
I was thinking this too. Many say it's such a hard decision for a woman to make. Why is that?
@@thesagetraveler7649 This is our modern Holocaust, perpetrated by the same Devil as the one in 1935-1945.
@@lub8815, thank you. Child killing = infanticide. And this genocide of 20% of Americans is the very same to God as any other genocide--evil. If the blood of Abel cries out to God, how much more does the blood of 65 million innocent Americans?
My thought too. I would really like to hear his reasoning for that. There's only a need to decrease abortions if there's something wrong with it (there's a lot wrong with it).
I pray for this man to experience becoming a father to his own child and see their squirming arms and legs on ultrasound as early as 10 weeks! To see their beating heart. May that moment change him forever ❤️
I don’t. I pray God changes his heart before he experiences that. He would probably kill the baby first chance he gets with his current views.
He won’t…he’s gay
He won't experience true fatherhood because of his sexual preferences.
He wont experience that kind of fatherhood which is why he doesn't value it. He will purchase his baby like an accessory. He is a gay man
That was so stressful. I don't understand how people don't understand that a baby in the womb is a human. You did a great job Allie.
I had this conversation several weeks ago with a vet tech. She posted a pic of a baby in utero and said 'this is not a baby' then posted a pic of a 3 mo old baby and said 'THIS is a baby'. So, I shared a picture of a puppy in utero and asked her what it was. She, of course, said it was a puppy and that she would never assist in a spay if she knew the dog was pregnant 🙄🙄🙄🙄 Holy Moses...I couldn't believe that she said it.
We need to pray for Brandan.
Wow. He goes “banning abortion harms women” without even thinking that allowing abortion literally kills a baby.
WOW
Also at 41:18 I can almost hear you thinking to yourself “oh lord give me the strength to not explode on this guy.” It’s plain as day in your facial expressions and I don’t at all blame you.
And it harms women. I know many stories of women who committed suicide because of their deep remorse over killing their unborn child. It wrecks women because unless their hearts are completely hardened, they know the truth that they have ended another person’s life.
What about the baby your hurting it. There is so much birth control out there if you don't want a child take it. What about fornication that God says is wrong. I heard about a woman having 9 abortions using it for birth control. Be responsible if you don't want a baby. Your punishing the baby for the choice you made. God hates the shedding of innocent blood. I pray that woman will choice life for their babies. God help our youth.
"I'm not saying they don't exist, a potential life is a life that doesn't exist yet.." right..
“What happens in a miscarriage if they aren’t alive?”
SILENCE.
😂
You need to look at the definition of miscarriage and abortion. Then you will have your answer. ✌️
@@KeefeAlbert they have the same definition. Abortion is the medical terminology for miscarriage, technically what we commonly refer to as abortion is an induced abortion, whereas miscarriage is known as a spontaneous abortion.
This was so painful to watch. Keep up the good work, Allie! 👏
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Prayed for Candice and your family.
Prayer sent up for healing and complete health.
Prayers for answers/peace
Praying now for Candice's healing and for peace and comfort in your family.
Allie you are on point girl! Thanks for trying to help this misguided young man.
So help me I’m only halfway and I wanna jam my head in a wall. Allie, kudos to you for being patient. I’d have lost my cool I’m afraid 🤣
Wow. So a pastor more convicted by “science” then “holy scriptures and Holy Spirit.” Woe to him. Lord have mercy and encounter him! Reconnect his severed conscience! Spirit of repentance come!
This is a true question for discussion, not baiting. How do you reconcile Exodus 21:22-25?
they cry out through the universe, their voices raised as one
I want to live, I want to grow
I want to see, I want to know
I want to share what I can give
I want to be, I want to live
John Denver
So his argument is stupid because he's says "once it's viable it is human", he says 24/25 weeks. But that same baby would not be viable in, say, the 1600s. The only reason it is viable now is because we've come so far in medical advancement. In 200 years, a baby might be able to be viable at 20 weeks. It's an inconsistent argument.
That is why human level conciusness is a better argument. After all we eat creatures that aren't up to our level.
Funny you should mention viability.
In my mind, I rationalize and justify abortion using the same logic that I use to rationalize and justify pulling the plug on someone in a deep coma. Science teaches us that fetuses in the first trimester have about the same level of sentience as a person in a persistent vegetative state.
Imagine that someone I knew were in a coma. Even if there is a chance that the patient might recover, you could still legally pull the plug on them.
If a loved one of mine were in a coma, recovery would require expensive surgery and/or the patient is likely to have a bad quality of life and/or the survival of the patient would cause an inconvenience for someone else, it would not guarentee me pulling the plug, there is a chance that I might seek the surgery and medical treatment necessary for the patient to recover, but even one of those above conditions being met would make me far more likely to pull the plug.
Whether or not pulling the plug is the right choice is a complex issue that varies greatly on a case by case basis, as is the case with abortion. There exist instances where people choose abortion and they shouldn't, that does not mean that I believe abortion should be out lawed, the same can be said about euthanasia.
No it's not dumb. Because in 200 years we can move the time-line down. But right now we can't.
That's what I don't get... modern technology has mad a human life earlier and earlier in a women's pregnancy so why pretend like it's JUST a matter of the mother's safety. A fetus in danger to itself or its mother can be delivered alive pretty young. It's still very sad but at least the baby lives. This guy is evil.
The Doctor at my first ultrasound:
"Congratulations, you are pregnant with potential"
Life begins at conception. That's final. You can call it whatever you like.
"Without demonizing the other side"...murdering another human being is, at its core, evil. Demonic. Sssooo...
Calling it honestly is necessary. But what Allie means is that we must not call anyone names like, You f***ing butcher. Even if a person is a butcher in his or her heart.
COMPLETELY DEMONIC
How lacking in logic and compassion someone must be to say that a woman who suffers a miscarriage didn't lose a baby but rather lost a potential life. This man is so lost. How do you claim to follow Christ but reject the foundations of life? Goodness I hope the Lord softens his heart and reveals the truth to him
“It’s not a human being”😂😂😂This guy has always been so off in everything I’ve heard him say
He's sitting there arguing that something that physically exists is merely "potential." He's got no clue what the words he's using even mean.
Well Planned Parenthood certainly doesn’t think abortion should be reduced, they don’t provide alternatives to abortion.
REALLY??? Lazarus coming out of the Tomb = Gays coming out of the closet??? Babies in the womb are not human until 20 weeks??? Thank you for your chanel-I appreciate your ppreaching- you are inspiring and BRAVE to interview this guest!
Thank you for standing up to truth Allie. Thank you for speaking to Allie, Brandon.
1 Timothy 4:1 Explains this perfectly:
But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
If abortion isn’t the definition of demonic, I don’t know what is…
I'm 22 weeks pregnant and this just makes me love my baby even ever more. I hope more people can see how these people nothing but unsupported senseless arguments make. Thank you Jesus I am free.... Wuhhhh
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few."
Brandan: I, as a Christian pastor,...
Me: 🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭💀💀💀
Allie. you know your stuff and solidly and respectfully represent the pro life position. Thank you for whet you do
In this argument, not once was the fact that babies are image bearers come into play. That bothered me quite a bit, however if this guy doesn’t believe that the Bible is inerrant, then I guess that argument wouldn’t really matter. There was a whole lot of “science” this and “science” that, but no biblical references from this “pastor.” He clearly worships creation over the Creator.
Ugh, this actually just makes me really sad for this young man, who has had the eyes of his heart and understanding darkened. Lord, open his eyes, soften his heart, and bring truth to his mind- and through him, his congregation and his followers.
There is no way in the world you can legitimately argue from a biblical perspective that there is any place for supporting abortion among Christians.
I loooooove watching you all the way from Brazil! This is an "older" episode as it came through my suggestions today...gotta say: this nice young naive guy doesn´t seem to be truly christian yet...hope Jesus truly turns him over with His almighty love and grace!
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart”. “ you were fearfully and wonderfully made”
I was thinking about this passage exactly as I was listening to him speak! Thank you for sharing it here!
John the Baptist was filled with the spirit in the womb. So babies have a soul and are definitely a person.
Please do another debate on gender, that would be epic. Great video Allie.
As a mother of 4 and currently pregnant at 35 weeks rn, I've had 3 miscarriages 1 at 15 weeks and My baby was a boy.. I held my little boy in my hands and was with him in his last moments. I can't even handle anyone who supports abortion. It'll never be okay and I'll never be ok with being near a person who would consider killing an innocent baby. It's gross.
As a “Christian” I would press upon why he thinks he can terminate a life he thinks is not yet a human, WHO God intended to be born! Such wickedness! How dare we be so bold as to take innocent life and choose what to be done with it.
That baby’s name may be in the Book of Life! And man has chosen for that life to end.
Of course God is smarter than us. He made it so the Life is IN THE BLOOD. Does anyone comprehend this?
Thank you for calling out this man, Allie. I know how frustrating this is to feel like you’re hitting a brick wall. Thank you for standing up for life!
Amen sister 🙏
This was so good! I love your tenacity and the way you always add a Biblical perspective! Keep up this work! Our world needs to hear it!