Toxteth, Liverpool, UK - Black Community & Racism - 1989
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- Report on Racism and the Black Community in Toxteth, Liverpool, UK - first shown on 'Newsnight' - BBC2 14th Sep 1989....
Features interviews with local Black football team - 'Almethak', Liverpool's first Black footballer - Howard Gayle, Maria O'Reilly and footage from Granby Street and local pubs and clubs in Toxteth from 1989...
Big respect to Guvnah Gregah for uploading and enabling it to be shared !
Thank you for uploading. The same old problems still happening today. Such a shame.
Hi Andre, I’m considering moving to Liverpool, due to a job offer. I’m slightly worried about racial issues, how bad is it over there?
@@SenseixayoDamn, I live here in Manchester. If they still have racism then screw the place. Move to Manchester.
Im from Manchester G😅😆. Lived in manny for couple of years now, but from Germany
But its much more underground.Its there like everywhere
Wow. I grew up in Liverpool as a mixed race person in the 80s and 90s. I visited recently and definitely it has moved on since then. Back then it was really bad and much worse for my father when he grew up there in the 50s and 60s. It was well known Everton football club was a racist club then. I’m not talking about racism similar to that of today, but frequent violent, spitting etc. I’m surprised black people havent all got serious mental health problems from those times.
I find the community has dwindled. What's your take on it? Have black people moved out? It doesn't feel like a community anymore with ties to their history.
Is Az I don’t know if I’m honest. Outside of Liverpool 8 still seems the same. I didn’t realise how racist Liverpool was until I moved away and came back recently. Granby Street was always known as a bad area when I was younger. My dad used to know the barber called kenny who was attacked by drug dealers.
@@2wheelspy Granby street & the surrounding were predominantly black when I visited in my earlier years. Now it's more multicultural from what I've seen & less dangerous nowadays I think. Was Kenny attacked in a racist attack ? I've watch a few old videos of black neighborhoods & racial tensions in the 1980s. Apart from Liverpool it's mainly Leeds where I lived for a few years & greater Manchester where I'm from. All of these areas have a common theme they're like an island surrounded by sharks & on that island some of the native's anger has become pure wickedness.
Is Az No it wasn’t a racist attack. I believe he was giving advice to drug users which the dealers didn’t like. Kenny was a Christian.
Yes, it was very much an apartheid setup. You didn’t get many non white people living in different areas. If you saw someone who wasn’t white, there was an understanding between you life was hard. That coupled with the old 11+ education system. If you didn’t pass then you were almost certain to get involved in crime as a black person. Liverpool became a breeding ground for criminals. Did you ever venture out to areas such as page moss or Norris green?
@@2wheelspy Did Kenny die from his injuries as you say "was"? I heard of Norris green & understood it to be a no go area. Typical estate like in Manchester. I only ventured as far as wavertree tbh asides from the cc.
I remember Alan Martin in 66/67. He was a brilliant footballer but never got anywhere. I wonder where he is today?
I have to and other black people in the uk have to respect carribeans because we put up that orginal fight that set it for our african brothers to come to england and racism to be mild rather than people comig to your doors nowadays they have to keep their racist feelings to themself
Multiculturalism and integration is failed all over the UK.
Birmingham,. Manchester and Liverpool are highly segregated and racist no integration at all,London has its problems but very multicultural and integrated.
It was born liverpool brothers that done the fighting other groups helpt from abroad as well as Caribbean people but most of the fighting defending from raciest & police was from black & White born liverpool people
@@johnclark7065 racism in London hidden and oppressed. The pressure cooker will blow soon
@@johnclark7065 im from Birmingham and its more integrated now, back in the 80s and early 90s yes more segregated than now
The Liverpool local woman must of loved black men , most of them are mixed race
Erm don't know where u get your figures from but nowhere near most ,
because toxteth was always a majority white area believe it or not, it might still be but I doubt it, it changed about 25 years ago and is now a mainly islamic area
Yeah Toxteth was full of old sluts and prozzys who were White and junkies and the only ones mad enough and desperate enough to bed them or we'd them were the black sailors on stop over off the ships that were in port so they all ended up having hald caste kids who didn't have dad's and had junky prozzy moms so it's a recipe for disaster ofcourse.
@@ponyboycurtis3795- problematic comment 😊
is it just me or are all the black guys they interviewed apart from one were actually half white?
I bet you their daddy was the black one and most likely didn't hang around to raise them.
Sean Smurfy yeah cause all white dads stick around don’t they
@@alexwood2219 bravo
It's hard for them to be fully black if they lived there for nearly 200 years
My dad is half white and he suffered racism when he was young. Anyone who wasnt white was picked on back then
I never understand why Liverpool lacks behind when it comes to racism
Slave trade massive profits made that we'll never get a share of.
Burn baby burn. Ideology of racism fostered and nurtured here city council is evil will always be.
@@ramboruebs4307 England spent all the money they made and more buying back the slaves freedom. I think their the only country to ever do that for slaves. you should do some research on this subject if you haven't by now
@@Peter-733 Are you for real😅😂
yep crazy but its true
That dude at 3:30 on the far left looks like Neil razor ruddicks long lost twin
Howard Gayle was from Toxteth I'm pretty sure, i could be wrong and he played for Liverpool fc when they were European champions, about 6 or 7 years before John Barnes.
Norris Green. Despite what it says on wikipedia
@@ceet12 sound lad. But my point was John Barnes wasn't the first player of colour to play for Liverpool. Did Howard have something to do with a team from L8?. Thanks again for replying bud. I did say in the comment that i wasn't sure. 👍🏻
@@ceet12 I should have said, " Did Howard have something to do with a team from L8, in a coaching capacity". 👍🏻
@@peterarmstrong6730 no probs yes Howard was. Not to sure about who he played for in youth. I'll find out if i remember. Regards
@@ceet12 sound bud. 👍🏻
Dude who was boss of Littlewoods said he grew up in North Liverpool but did you hear the accent...nit a trace of Scouse in it 😂😂
I hope things have improved.
This was filmed in 1989 we are in 2019 nothing has changed
100% agree
Kekequill Williams yes it has the smack is shit , thatchers answer job done,bastards,
@Houston's mccaine black people mix with white people in liverpool! There's "dodgy" parts, for sure, and i am NOT someone who'd say racism isn't still a big problem. But things have definitely changed since this report!
The report says you never see black people in liverpool city centre or working in shops. If you say that's still true, you've not been to Liverpool, simple...
You must looking at it with rose tinted glasses. It's worse now than the 80s.
@Matty Kumarnor London
When The Barclay Brothers bought Littlewoods the next day they disbanded the equal opportunities department.
even though my dad shop was looted in the riots it was the beginning of the slow improvements in the city
hard to believe this was 1989, more like 1959.
fooman65 think that it's about halfway between 59 and now
No...obviously you were not alive then.
More like 2022
The Moors. How ironic that Mr Moor said he hadn't met black people until....The Moors. Aren't they the people from North Africa?
Yep. Doesnt know his own heritage
The name Moore with an e" is actually from Scots/Irish heritage.
*These moors aren't MOORES. BERBERS MOORES ARABS are different to robbed surnames adopted by Europeans.*
Me mum at 14:39 x
Summer Alexia and how much has she changed
Is she YUM ?
5:00 never seen any blacks ever .. dunno what ya on about
I was in Toxteth when the riots happened, and they where needed there was a lot of racism there. One example not long before the riots; police knocked on my door about something that was nicked and said it was taken by black people, I wasn't black so and they walked off. I asked the feller that reported the crime and he hadn't seen who nicked it and hadn't mentioned color.
Mass deportation programs is the common sense solution
not really you can't do that. they have the same rights as citizens. idk why people keep saying deport when its impossible.
@@Peter-733 Nothing is impoossible,Native People must be protected in their own Motherland
@@irishbrother4289 you can get back to Ireland then Irish brother, me too in fact as my grandparents are from Mayo. You could empty the whole country as we are all products of the whole of Europe and further afield going back in time, I suggest you grow up.
@@johnmorgan5495 ahaha mint response
@@johnmorgan5495 we'll all end up in africa then if we trace our ancestry back.
In the 80's Everton fans used to sing "Everton are white!"
crazy thing is in Birmingham they would be classed as quarter cast or somalian...backwards country we live in
@Matty Jones Funny you say that but why do Scousers who are hellbent on being Socialists and lean left politically cry arse how anybody conservative or lean right as being a racist when they can be just as racist if not more? Way too much hypocrisy... Places like London where it's more politically diverse are way more tolerant than Liverpool.
@@Carl-vv5el you live in 1989?
@@riverrun339 yes I was alive in 1989 if that's what your asking.
@@Carl-vv5el is there any different now?
@Matty Kumar that's why London is a shithole, other large cities are following suit
Great at video. It's a shame to show that nothing has really changed regarding the issues with the Police
You are joking? The police today are nothing compared to what they were like in the 70s and 80s. It was bad for most young people but if you were a young Black lad it was ten times worst. The police back then were heavy handed bigoted Bully`s. I am white I grew up in Liverpool 8 and saw it all, back then the coppers were a law unto themselves and making a complaint was about as useful as pissing on a Volcano. Thankfully it is different today. Toxteth has moved on and for the better thank god.
@@stephensmith4480 yes maybe I should have done more research. I'm glad it's improving there 🙏🏼
@@nadk8886 Nice one mate. Toxteth is a real vibrant community now 👍.
Yes I was in Pool a few weeks ago. First time I've visited since 2004. It's such a nice city, will definitely be back soon. We stayed at a hotel on Seel St
@@nadk8886 Everyone is welcome here mate. Glad you enjoyed it 👍
I was going to train as a doctor in Liverpool. I think I’ll pass now 😒
not the same now, this was 30 years ago. It was racist everywhere. My Iranian friend is a doctor in Liverpool now and loves the city.
Liverpool now is a beautiful city. I live in toxteth and it is one of the most diverse area now. Lots of different cultures and hardly any racism anymore
Payment Nxhehek really not what I witnessed about 2 years ago I was on way home from a liverpool match and I saw some kids calling some Asians the P word and throwing bricks at them my friend also a Asian went out in Liverpool and jumped in a cab on his way home and was thrown out by some lads and told the cab driver there’s no way your letting this P... go before us the place is racist and will always be Leeds ain’t far off ether
Please dont let this video put you off coming here. There are still issues here, but I'm sure you will be made most welcome
@@alexwood2219 that can happen anywhere though. There'a videos of underground tube racist incidents. London in extremely multicultural and yet it happens.
30 years later. Euro 2020. Same story.
Liverpool still lack behind, as a coloured person just go for a walk around north end if you lucky come back home in one piece!!
gooner D no way he's lieing. Stayed their many weekends, clubbed many nights. Our generation are lovely.
El Rebel black and white scousers need to unite now against massive immigration. Just because you're black doesn't mean you should be against other scousers in favour of random ethnic people. Scousers unite. Don't mean to offend anyone saying this. It's time to stop fuckin about and man up. Be men. Stop acting like little girls and fighting for nothing. Love to all scousers. Get out of the motherland for a bit and realise we're different to everyone in the world. Massive multicultural history. No other people are like our people. Let's stop all these shenanigans over black and white. Wooly back or proper scouser. Anyone who is sound is sound. Anyone who is shady is shady.
red s that one must've gone over your head lad.
@@reds4662 you have a low I.Q.
@yellow man if you can highlight how I've been racist please do. If you can actually define the word racism that might help.
And it has never changed a bit it's still the same
How dare you, Liverpool is the least racist city in the UK.
Houston's mccaine no, Liverpool is the most left wing city in England, football teams like chelsea, spurs, millwall, West Ham all have bad amounts of racists Liverpool is one of the least racist, left wing cities on England
sam mark you haven’t been to Birmingham it is the most multicultural city in the UK
Stupid cow its the least racist city in this country get you facts right
Haaa..go outside now and again.
Almathak....never wanted to face Astro....the best team in Manchester Moss side
spencersandmark The Liverpool cartel managed Almathak so I doubt they feared anyone let alone an amateur football team from Moss Side.
Clempt90 haha well in
Spensersnmark I take it your from moss side, Manchester
@@Clempt90 difference was Astro didn't need gangs back up to play football so yes they feared the mighty Astro fc lmao cartel hahahah
Slightly misleading. I'm Red, but EFC had a Black player before us. Cliff Marshall played for them 7 times between '73 and '76, a whole year before Howie Gayle came to us and 3 years befoe he appeared in the 1st team.
Michael Trebilcock before that in the 60s
@JohnBaillie18 Indeed he was. As has been noted, because of his mixed heritage, he is often overlooked, including by me above. Not intentional and he won the FA Cup for the Bluenoses of course. 😉
Liverpool is the mixed race capital of world
Rubbish it's racist and segregated Liverpool just like other UK cities too.
@@sarahfemi9862 Not true. Many people passed through the port of Liverpool (we are a maritime nation ) and many people of different backgrounds and races including Africans, Arabs, Turkish, Chinese, Somalians, Norwegians and recently the Irish settled. Many nationalities worked on British ships.
@@gingerbaker4390 Most of these foreigners went to London and don't forget it's only London and Liverpool which have ports majority went to London as this is where the jobs were , Liverpool had a lot of poverty and crime ,London had job opportunities this is why London has the highest black and Asian community in the UK. London has far more nationalities living and working than anywhere else in the UK that's facts all what I said . Remember white is the least race left in London small percentage and in Liverpool white is still the majority I rest my case.
@@sarahfemi9862 I remember speaking to a work colleague, who l assumed was white with dark curls and who had a scouse accent, he said his grandfather was African from Sierra Leone and grandmother Lebanese. His father was Yemen and mother was Irish.
What they call black in Liverpool in London we call mixed race NOT black.
Still experience racism and abuse so what’s your point?
@@bohdiireapz108...if their mixed race why can't they be white?. The abuse and discrimination doesn't come from us.
You’re asking the wrong person, I’m mixed race and I’ve never been seen as white in my life and wouldn’t want to tbh, I’m proud of having dual heritage
This was filmed in the 80's you know. The term mixed race wasn't used back then- it was half c@ste. Also these people were treated as Black so what's your point? Being mixed didn't spare them- not even the closer to white looking woman who got beaten up by Police so again, what's your point? Their experience is Black.
@@user-dv3kq3rm4h - love this comment! Raised in the north end in the 1990s and as pale as my skin was, my mam always told me I was black and to be proud, proud I certainly am.
Nothing much changed in Liverpool
@Cian jimmy saville the king of them
@Cian yeeeh but jimmy bacon saville is the king of them pedos
Looked like a hellhole already back then.
Who cares what colour your skin is , we made it an issue when it's not
@Matty Kumar bot account or massive shill for some sort of propaganda operation. Fuck off little vermin.
Well, they just couldn’t keep their noses out of it could they, look at it. Went into wars, look at the back lash that’s been going on..need I say more? Look at immigration, not that I object to it ha ha. Ever noticed how a British person gets offended when you ignore them. Ha ha
Thatchers answer,SMACK. Job done bastards,
There is always been racial in the police force and they’re always will be
Maybe they wasnt good enough to play for liverpool and everton? Just a thought!
Trent and Curtis are doing alright now though.
Hahha lfc efc the most racist clubs and fans in football.....
@@spencersandmark not Liverpool fc mate
They dont want a low paid job in the cty centrer they want big salarys! Ha life is hard for most people on liverpool you just crack on with it
They need some salt and vinegar for the chips on their shoulders.
Idiot
With a name like that you would not last 5 minutes in Norwich Green.
On the beach all day to get the skin brown 😅😅😅😅 evil hate in the hearts
Once a rasics always a rasics
Muhammed is here to stay, salah all the way
That Maria O'Reilly 9:10 just doesn't look black 1 bit.
Shes been hit with the tar brush mate
Mick c and other comments show your ignorance..... #fools
Black people in Liverpool sound more English
That`s because they were born here, they are as much Liverpudlian as anyone. Their grandparents may have came here from The West Indies or parts of Africa but those lads and Girls that you have just seen are as British as any of us in this city.
3:40 he's not even black
You obviously dont know nothing about history, the one drop rule means if you are black, half black and quarter black. "You are black" so systemically hes going to be classed as black.
@@tianathompson2725 one drop rule is racist bullshit you half breed.
@@tianathompson2725 Thats "American" jim crow racism
apart from racism, has anyone thought about the fact that black problems arise in their families from childhood. Many blacks are raised from childhood in single families by single mothers. This mother has several children. Due to the fact that she works, she cannot give due attention to all her children alone. So they grow up, studying poorly at school and getting involved in various gangs.
Well said
Get a.job and then you can by a house were you like
You are a massive dumbass
@@theedmaster7748 am from longfellow street I know what these lazy turns are about
Say that ON longfellow street, i dare you
@@resilienceofagypsy3998 am From Smithdown no one on Longfellow scares me haha
@@popliuhgtfd you supposed to be scary?. Your racist undertone and implications that black people dont work hard would see you eaten alive on smithdown.
Whats crazy most of them had a white parent ......
How do you know that? I didn't see any woman described as a parent. You make a big mistake - DO NOT ASSUME that because they are light skinned means that they have a white parent. You need to educate yourself.
@@tdonovan4735 They are half black you cretin
Half breed? Dont be disrespectful my brother because you dont even look darkskin. I'm mixrace myself and both my parents aren't white. 👏💯
@dominic clarke At least you know it. Got family out there many of them mixed people are so damn racist to black people. There and Nottingham cause they have equal numbers. Fuck em anyway most are breeding white and those places have the most prejudice against mixed people cause of their numbers.
@@tianathompson2725your being racist and very rude 😑
Never here the chinese moaning,!!
because there's less than 1% of chinese in the UK, thats too specific to target
Because there was no signs saying No Chinese, no irish, no dogs. there has never been a big divide with asians and they have been treated more favourably.
*hear
Hear you mean.
@@theduke6174black people in Liverpool was less than 4% in 2009..that's less than Asians..a tiny percentage.
I know black people who have become worthy people despite all the problems. My husband grew up in a ghetto in a bad environment, but he graduated a school, got an education in university, has a good job. and he never complained about anything.
What is your point?
@@Lfc98 my point of view. Who really wants to achieve something in life, he or she will achieve, there would be a desire. Every person is free to do as he (she) pleases in this life. If person does not want to be a bandit, he or she will not become one. It has been more than 50 years since Martin Luther King achieved civil rights and freedoms for African Americans.
@@kristinaking4680your part of the problem
@@sbaby-kg8hn what??????🤦🏼♀️
@@sbaby-kg8hn that’s your part of problem.
2018 nothing changed come see slave masters thrive while we still die.reality.
And that's against non black people today. Eastern Europeans, Chinese etc.