Micro Compacts Still Relevant? Has P365, Hellcat etc. Made Them Useless?
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- Remember our old favorite little guys? Things like the Kahr P380 & PM9, the Ruger LCP 380, and Diamondback DB9. These, along with other single stacks, are often called useless dinosaurs now that more and more of the little wonder nines are coming out holding 10 plus rounds in a size that formerly only could hold hold about 6 rounds. So we wondered, could we even find a use for the old style single stackers?
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Kahr PM9: • Tiny 9mm - Kahr PM9
Kahr P380: • Kahr P380
Ruger LCP 380 (comparison): • Kel-Tec P3AT vs 3 Gene...
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A lot was presented here but the biggest takeaway: Your most powerful gun doesn't do you any good if it's sitting in your safe.
My Diamondback DB9 is a GREAT gun, i carry it 24/7 as my primary ALL YEAR. It comes with a flush magazine bottom for free, and as such will DISAPPEAR in my palm. It's only barely 16 oz. FULLY LOADED, and as such rides effortlessly in my light shorts pocket while walking on the beach. SAME
The South Is shorts-and-T-shirt usually, and this 9 hides perfectly without issue. it eats ALL ammo more robustly than my other 9mm, including a dozen brands, grains, cases, jacket types, and +P. It's actually very accurate at the range, and really not overly snappy for its size with its low bore axis. Maybe not for beginners, but this is my final choice for EDC.
I've had a Kahr PM9 for over twenty years and it's been bullet proof. Also a P9 for several years and it's been a fine pistol as well. For a deep concealment pistol i.e. lightweight, reliable, accurate and a svelte footprint; the PM9 is hard to beat. The extra 4-6 rounds with a Hell cat or P365 just add weight and bulk for me. Furthermore, the Kahr P series pistols have a very low bore axis and a 1911 degree grip, that's very comfortable for my small to medium size hands. The felt recoil is very manageable. However, the Kahr P380 I had was a real let down. It simply was not reliable with various ammo! An experienced range master told me he's seen very few Kahr 380's that didn't have malfunction issues! Ended up with a S&W 340 PD as a pocket/ back up gun.
Good video. Thanks for sharing
These obsolescent carry guns offer two major advantages in a market with guns selling like hotcakes: low price and availability. In a time where many people are jobless but at now worried about their safety, these guns look very appealing.
That darn DB9 keeps my hellcat in the safe most day. Love the DB9
I think you nailed it with "can carry" I have a great many carry guns including a Ruger LCPII 380 and a Sig P365. I thought that buying the P365 would eliminate the LCPII but I was wrong. There are times when the P365 is just too heavy for what I'm wearing.
Now I'm looking at the Diamondback DB9 (Gen 4) and I'm thinking that may be the gun I would most often carry, I need to buy one of those. I had a Khar PM 40 (very close in size to the Diamondback DB9) which was great size but again fairly heavy for some carry situations.
I also have a couple of Baby Browning 25 acp pistols that while very tiny are not the easiest guns to draw and fire. They take a lot of practice to become proficient with. When you put one of these Browning's up against the LCPII its like comparing the P365 to a Glock 19. Truly tiny but far less power, harder to draw and harder to hit with.
Yep! Definitely still relevant. As a new person to conceal carry having these 2 exact subsets of pistol to start out with I find the micro 380 ends up leaving the house more often than the 9mm..
I’ve been carrying concealed for more than 50 years, and it mystifies me that most reviewers ignore or skirt over the one stat that has always affected me the most-width. During my Philadelphia PD days, I could carry a 1911 concealed more comfortably than a snub nose 38. The 45 was flatter against my body. This was especially relevant when riding a motorcycle off duty. A 1911 at the kidney was no trouble. You at least paid some attention to that. However, I would have liked to see you compare the width of the LCP against all the others. I believe width to be the LCP's unsung advantage.
For me it’s all about the weight, comfort and concealability. I’m less concerned about capacity. That’s why I often carry either a Ruger LCP II or a Kahr CM 9 especially when I’m staying at home or not going very far away. When I was younger I carried a Walther P 99. Now that I’m retired I only carry the Walther if I’m going into downtown New Orleans and I want more capacity. As always another great video. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you. My carry goes from as large as a G29 10mm down to a G42 .380 so I agree that comfort and being able to actually carry in every situation is the big determiner.
A wider range of choices is always a good thing. Plus it gives us more reasons to get a new gun!
I love them micros I’m going with the DB nine. Thanks for sharing this video.
My carry choice is the Sig P365. I pocket carry it with a 12 round mag and a 15 round backup mag.
The p365 is a little longer, a little thicker, a fair bit heavier, and a good bit taller than the db9. All this really adds up if the plan is to pocket carry.
kahr PM9 is the original smallest 9mm in the world... and has been for me, STILL the easiest to carry per caliber... and did i mention relaiblity?? some with well over 50k rounds with zero replacement parts...you do the math
The PM9 wasn't the original. The Kahr MK9 all stainless is the "original micro 9mm" and came out in 1995. Everything to come after it is inspired and a copy of it.
My p9-2 is one of the most accurate and comfortable handguns I've ever fired. Zero malfunctions, but like yours it's a premium series gun from Kahr.
Most people bought the cw series kahrs which were budget versions and those have less lifespan engineered into them so a lot of people don't think much of kahr hand guns.
I love my Kahr PM9. I can easily pocket carry it and it’s a 9mm, which I prefer over .380. Just carry a second magazine and work on tactical reloads and 10+ round capacity isn’t an issue.
Exactly right. I sold my Kahr CM9 which was my deep hideout gun after I bought the 365. Now the deep hideout role is the 365s. The Shield Plus and 365XL are replacing the G26 and G19s that were previously primary. The beat goes on.
LCP Max just changed the game. Still tiny, incredibly light at 10.6 ounces, and super concealable holding 10 or 12+1. I picked one up two weeks ago. Love it.
A 380 close range in the right spot will kill. It's a very underrated round. I carry my lcp2 during the summer when I can't carry my 9. Any gun is better then no gun.
People say the pocket carry a p365. Do they wear jenko jeans? I tried doing that but it prints like crazy and is heavy. I carry my Kahr P380 every day in my pocket and it disappears and is extremely comfortable.
MC Hammer jeans....
I think they are very relevant. I don't ever think I'll part with my Ruger LCP. Great deep concealment firearm to defend my family in exact scenarios you described.
I call my Lcp the spoiler because it carries so well
Wait until you try the Max. I bought mine the first day available. Same size and weight and 10+1 or 12+1. Sweet.
What about the keltec p32???
The micro's are a great option. Good vid. Thanks👍!
Thank you.
The P365 has caused me to sell my CW9, P238, and TCP. That allowed me to purchase a Seecamp to alternate to, and concealed carry, for me, is settled. The journey to what fits you best takes some time, but today there is no reason to not find the perfect fit for any individual.
380's make for a great underwear gun (gym shorts). Mines a NAA Bugout 2 in 22 magnum. Just found your channel, I'm surprised your channel hasn't blown up with subscribers. Love the content.
I agree. I wouldn’t buy the sig or new m&p to replace my DB9 I would buy one to replace my Glock 19. The sig is still too thick and heavy for a pocket pistol but the new shield is a perfect size to replace the g19
Sig is under 1 inch thick lol
@@raulmachado182 it’s actually 1” thick and 22.6 ounces loaded. My pocket pistol is .9” and 15.8 oz loaded. The sig is a great pistol I wouldn’t use it as a pocket pistol though.
HS---very informative...my CCW for colder weather is Shield PC Mod1 and a J-frame for the summer....never got into Micros
Thank you. As long as your environment and dress support it, larger guns are usually easier to control. Those are great choices.
I have a P365, SW MP shield plus and a SW 637 38 special. I personally love them because I did my research before buying my them. I would go to a range to rent and shoot them before buying them. I even researched on what the best holsters that are suitable for them. I don't have a doubt on my purchases.
Excellent video. Great perspectives.
Thank you.
I have settled on the ruger LCR for when I need a pocket gun. I never could control single stack 9s because of a big hand problem. This is when someone will comment " Hickok 45 has big hands". I know.
Yes, single stack micro compacts are still relevant.
I’ve carried a tiny .25 in the days before the LCP was on the market. It filled in when we were out and I couldn’t adequately conceal a J Frame thirty-eight. In retirement my LCP has taken over as an EDC pocket gun.
My favorite small single stacks are the original Shield, the Glock 42, and a rather unusual Kahr that was only made for 2 years called a P9 Covert. My Covert features the top half of a standard P9, and the bottom half of a PM9. So you can run it as a PM9 with a half inch more barrel, or you can use the extended magazine and run it as a P9 7+1 gun. I'm in south Florida where cargo shorts are very common attire, so the Covert works great in a pocket holster. As a pocket gun, I like the Glock 42 even better, while on the belt I like the Shield a bit better. I think the G42 is a highly underrated gun, probably because consumers thought they were going to get a 9mm single stack from Glock but got a .380 initially. Even though today seen as large for a .380, the G42 is really easy to shoot well, even on an off day.
I looked at the P365 and the Shield Plus, and then looked at how much time and money I had invested in intense practice and testing, not to mention holsters and multiple spare magazines for the guns I already owned, and determined that for me, it just wasn't worth doing all that again just to get 3 or 4 extra rounds worth of in-gun capacity. There is nothing wrong with higher capacity, and that was a concern for me when I was working as a police officer, but now that I am an old retired guy who minds his own business, I think I'll be fine with what I already own.
One of the better presented videos I've seen in a while. Really good topic and content presented logically. Would have been cool to see the new lcp max in the group but I seen what I needed to know.
To paraphrase a saying among photographers: “The best gun is the one you have on you”.
🇺🇸 Ruger EC9S 9mm all the time the best🇺🇸 Thanks Nice Video
Thank you.
Good vid as always , I live on the West coast of central Florida and I can easily slip my LCP 380 or M&P 380 in a pocket and do so on occasion , however with the right belt & holster my main EDC usually consists of a M&P Shield 9 or Glock 27 with +2 base.
Really solid analysis. Very pragmatic view. Thank you.
I love my 43x and 365. Micro 380’s are a whole different animal. My LCP can clip on to my gym shorts and barely be noticeable. I carry my 43x when I can, but I mostly carry my 380.
btw... i agree, weight truly is everything... do yourself a favor and check out the ONLY gun you can carry and TRULY never know its there when you use the belt clip and no holster and that gun is...... the Keltec P32.... 8+1 and center fired ball ammo has ballistically proven to be sufficient... Ive carried in pajamas around the house and never know its there,love the p32 and get bashed constantly by little guys with big egos
I don’t feel they are useless, just outdated. But, still EDC is and should be a very personal choice. P365 & P365 XL is my top choice, but I also still appreciate others.
Seeing the OG Beretta Nano going for $270 again.
Single stack 9's are somewhat irrelevant now for me. Too big for pocket carry, and my P365 carries just as well IWB.
I'd still dig a pocket 380, just none out there excite me.
Try the Sig P238. Thank me later.
My db9 kicks like a mule.i can hit the broad side of a barn with it...barely.
For pocket carry the M&P 380 is still my favorite.
Still got mine! Small, with a BITE! 6 + 1 and an extra mag or 2 works fer me! Have often invited naysayers to back up a few steps, catch a couple and tell me what you think! So far there have been NO TAKERS!
I've always thought the 380 was not the best choice for a self defense round. I've got a Glock 43 - 9mm for CCW.
My DB9 has changed my entire CC philosophy. I Love the gun because I no longer need a holster. It literally fits in any pocket without showing at all. Even my lightweight NIKE baseball shorts which are as thin as it gets. If I even think trouble is close I can simply put my hand in my pocket and put my hand firmly on the grip of my DB9 and nobody is the wiser. I don't care how fast a draw you have you won't beat me if you have to reach for yours & I have mine in my hand already. I can draw & be up & on target in ( 1.1 ) Seconds.
Plus with my Laser I can shoot from my hip in ( .73 ) seconds. Good Luck !
Haven't shot any holes in your pockets?
@@terryr.t.2113 Wait ... are you asking if I'm retarded or just a Democrat ?
I think its funny the sccy never gets any love for what it has done. 15oz with an empty mag, 10 round capacity, and half the cost. I'm just saying. Yes it is double action, but personally I like that aspect which to me is a bit added safety with no manual safety.
Every SCCY I have used, I have liked. They are great little guns at a good price.
None of the so-called microcompact 9 Lugers are microcompacts; they are all subcompacts. A microcompact is a true pocketable pistol with a bulk volume (B ≈ L×W×H÷2) of no more than 10 in^3. Subcompacts have bulk in the range of 10 to 20 in^3. The only double stack microcompact I know of is the Ruger LCP MAX, which carries 10+1 rounds of .380 Auto.
When deep concealment is called for, you propably need a true, microcompact, pocket pistol, and 10+1 rounds beats 6+1 rounds every time.
Great video.
the lcp max solves a lot of problems 1. its small easy to carry 2. you get 13 rounds with the 12 round mag and its doesnt print and you get a full grip
The lcp max I think just made them relevant again.
You say the P3 65 in the MNP shield were single stacks but that is the truth
LCP Max 380 for the pocket and Hellcat Pro 9mm for inside the waist.
I’d never part with my P380.
a backup to the backup
The db9 gen4 is the only one that is relevant considering how thin it is
Good stuff
Thank you.
LCP Max…10+1 or optional 12+1 capacity… nuff said
I carry an LCP everyday.
im really surprised diamond back isnt out of business already
WOW!
Still no mention of the SCCY- DVG !!!
My last contact with Diamondback is that they still did not have one available. We are going to get one when we can.
DB9MM Gen4....its my little
Good, thx
So, basically this video compares the Shield Plus 9mm to a micro LCP 380.
2 very different guns with very obvious benefits to both. So the take away here is that you should buy both because if you don't then you are missing out on one benefit or more of each gun. Got it.
Good vid, was asking this question myself!
Thank you.
Yet you leave out the G43.
Way too big
Hellcat all day.
If I go small I go pf9
Answer. No.
I sold my P365, I don't like any of the baby guns. My HK45C is perfect for me.
Buy a Sig P238 and throw everything else in the🗑trash. Your welcome.