I sell guns for a living at Academy in Oklahoma, I’ve been doing it for 15 years. What I tell people is that I will not recommend a gun that is smaller than a Smith and Wesson Shield chambered for 9x19. The recoil is a lot for people. I would recommend the Sig P365 380, Ruger Max 380, Walther P22, Ruger SR22, Keltec P17 for the ultimate concealable and shootable guns all under 550$
Yeah, my GX 4 causes my hand to hurt some the next day. I can fire a lot through the G17 with no issues. What gun do you guys tend to hear negatively from customers?
I’d say stop shooting it if it’s hurting you at that point. I do have the Ruger and it fits my hand very good with the rubber grip removed. Stav is a trooper for continuing! 👍🏻
I’ve carried one as a back up for 9 years here are a few tips. You can’t slingshot the slide on these instead use the slide release and the first round will always feed. They need around 500 rounds before they break in. You’re right the recoil spring was on backwards..
Husband and guys at the range thought I was crazy when I put a nail file in my range bag. Glad to hear I'm not the only one ..... chipped/broken nails, drive me CrAzY Thanks for doing this comparison series. I'm 5'2", bought (and love) my Equalizer - but it's a bit too big for me to EDC. Watching your series with the hopes that I find my holy grail EDC. Thx! Lisa
I carry one & like it. The heavy recoil spring makes it hard for many to rack & it definitely has a learning curve. I like the heavier revolver like trigger and 9mm in the size of many .380’s.
In a world of 10 and 10+ mag 9mm why go backwards to old technology in the Kahr? Your advice is spot on about men suggesting guns for their ladies. I’m constantly telling ladies to try before they buy and to ignore the suggestion of a 2” .357 revolver as a first gun.
It's because we have to borrow a bunch of guns to try to do a full and complete comparison. This gun was a buddy of mines. So we borrowed it shot it kept it for a week and I cleaned it and gave it back but we will be doing all the new guns as well. Mac
Single stack carry guns are still in demand in anti gun states. I still carry my 13yr old cm9 that has mag guts springs which adds 2+ to an extended mag making 9 rds. If you love double stack carry guns kahr released their new double stack x9 , it accepts p365 and hellcat mags with out any adapters .the x9 fully hits stores summer 2024 price $500-550
Because there are lots of use cases. A P365 doesn't always fit every requirement. I love my Kahr PM9 and it works very well for me in an ankle rig as a backup because it is a single stack with a two finger grip; the only other pistol that I have found works well in that role for me is the Glock 42. I'd rather have a 9mm over a .380 and the Kahr is much smaller than my Glock 43
Ms. Stav I'm quite familiar with the Kahrs & you're a trooper. I typically don't recommend them to smaller ladies & you showed why here. They do require considerable hand strength. The vicious checkering can be a deterrent too. I don't take mine to classes partially because of the lower round count & partially because I don't like shooting more than 50 or so rounds thru any of mine except the steel frame MK9 which is the same physical size as you PM9. They are excellent guns & mine aren't for sale but they have limitations. The role I have for mine now is as a small gun I can carry when my clothing for the day won't allow my normal choices. Kahrs do have their own manual of arms & need separate training. Here's some tips. The instruction manual says NOT to slingshot the slide when reloading. They're designed to use the slide release. The manual also recommends a 200 round break in; I prefer double that before I'll carry one. They're really tight & need to wear a little. They work best with plenty of lube. Don't be sparing with it like you would a Glock or Shield. The best way to get used to the trigger is to treat it like a double action revolver & not like a striker fired auto. Finally, I've never seen a recoil spring do that on mine. I found out years ago Kahr gets their springs from Wolff(recoil & mag) so a call to Wolff will help you figure that out. Their recoil springs don't have a very long life & that might have been the problem but Wolff can tell you more than I can. Thank you for what you do & I'll keep sending anyone I can to your channel.
Great idea on a series. Need a deep dive revisit on the 365 in 380. Get a new sample fresh off the factory floor to see if they’ve worked out all the kinks. Thanks for all you do, love the second channel too!
I made it to timestamp 2:47 and started cracking up. This was one of the first guns I bought back in the day, and I loathe it. Every problem you described, I also had issues with - except broken nails - I don’t really have nails.
I've carried both on and off duty since 1974. Still do, everyday. I've come to the conclusion that a full size handgun is my own preference. I carry several different handguns cause I like guns!!! All of them are carried OWB-at one time I carried only IWB; trust me, OWB is much more comfy and I have no trouble concealing full size pistols in an OWB holster. Pistols I carry regularly are: Glock 19, Glock 20, Sig P226 Elite, Beretta 92 Brigadier, EAA Tanfoglio Witness limited custom in 10mm, and RIA 2011 full size 10mm. I also own Ruger LCP, Kahr CM9, and Glock 26; but those rarely get carried. Full size is more accurate, less recoil, more comfy to shoot. And when SHTF you want exactly these things in a handgun. My opinion only.
When I was a L.E.O. I carried my full size duty pistol concealed when off duty on the theory that if I ever had to use it... instead of one of my guns sitting in an Evidence Room for who knows how long..my Agency would just issue me an identical one while THEIR gun went to Evidence, LOL... Being 6'4 & 245 I admit that carrying a full size handgun concealed is easier for me than it is for some others.
Great job on the review! My wife is just starting to carry, and since we're older and she is new to handguns, I got her a Taurus TX22 Compact to start with, and as she grows in proficiency, may move her up in caliber. Would really appreciate you doing a review on the Taurus! Blessings
@@paulcarlin5181 , she has really taken to it, as has our 30 year old daughter. My daughter had been carrying a 9mm, but after shooting the TX22 at the range, has switched for 3 reasons:1 accuracy 2 target reacquisition speed 3 more rounds for less weight.
With the exception to the Shield Plus, I personally shoot the PM9 2nd best out of dozens of carry firearms. I have large hands and a strong grip which I'm sure helps. The trigger is long and somewhat heavy, but smooth as butter.
Bought a Kahr pm9 for my wife years ago because she thought it was cute. It didn’t last long. She did not shoot it well (she’s actually a very good shooter) and she HATED the trigger. I agree with her - very long pull with an indistinct wall. She switched to a Walther PPS M2 (great shooter, great trigger, very accurate) for a number of years till settling on the p365. The very little she gives up in trigger and accuracy (her thoughts) with the Sig, she gains in carry-ability and capacity. (And we love your videos, btw).
Hey Stav for ur little hands the p365 is a awesome small gun for edc.Its light comfortable and you hardly know it's there not to mention good little shooter
thank you for the video. I enjoy shooting my g42, my Kahr, not so much. the Kahr jams quite a bit. I don't have the necessary hand and wrist strength, which I believe contributes to the Kahr malfunction.
I agree on the Khar I never warmed up to them. Michelle took to a Glock 19 and a S&W model 10 and handled them like a champ. I just yesterday got the Hellcat pro. I cant wait to shoot it.
I have a Kahr PM 9, a Kahr P9 and a Kahr CW380. I personally like the guns have carried them for years. However my wife hates them. She prefers her Shield.
I purchased a Walther PDP-F for my wife to utilize. She has smaller hands and the shorter reach works better for her than our Glock 17/19. Would be curious to see your perspective on the PDP-F even though it is a little larger than what you typically carry. My wife really enjoys shooting that firearm and I have been working with her to become more comfortable with shooting and safe firearm handling. Thanks for your videos and the perspective you provide!
I have a Kahr CW9 that I recently bought. It’s a little bigger than the PM9. I had none of the issues that you mentioned with the PM9. For me the recoil seems less than my Sig P320 X full size. It shot accurately at self defense range . It’s easy and comfortable for me to carry concealed which is something I’ve struggled with for years. The trigger - which is described as DAO - did take some getting used to but I found it be very smooth. It’s been 100 percent reliable so far. And new it cost me about half what a new Glock does. To each his/her own though.
A few years ago I had a Kahr 380. I liked the size of the gun for conceal carry. Unfortunately, the striker broke twice with less than 500 rounds. The second time it broke I traded it in for a Glock 42 which I like much more. I am really enjoying these videos.
Kahr says to use the slide lock to release the slide to chamber a round. That should eliminate the slide hesitation of that first round. I like the PM9 and I also have the PM40. I pocket carry them. I also have small hands, being only 5" 4". When I shoot them, my pinky is under the mag & that gives a 2 finger grip. I'm comfortable like that. And I shoot both well.
Good video! The Kahr sub-compacts. along with the Kel-Tec P11, actually launched the genre back in the early 2000s, but I haven't heard much about them since then.
I have a P365XL (didn't you buy one of those?) that I love I think it's the perfect combination of small enough to conceal but big enough that it isn't awful to shoot
It’s not just you, a lot of people (men and women) don’t like shooting this gun. The 380 seems to be more popular, probably just the recoil, but I used to shoot the G42 and I would say it’s the softest shooting 380 out there. I realize experience varies on how the gun fits in your hand, but I have seen enough videos to pass on the PM9.
I was trained by my cop- in-law who was the handgun instructor for the San Antonio police department during my teenage years in the 70's. He stopped when I could outshoot him in point shooting. It was like " My God what have I done!" 🤣
You are a trooper in my books by continuing on when it was hurting your hands. I love shooting but I would have stopped if it was uncomfortable.I love the series. 💜
I go to p9/CW9/S9, slightly larger but very concealable and talon grips is a must to avoid unconfortable shooting. If weight is not a matter, K9 Nd Mk9 are heavier but still light for EDC
Hello Stav, I HAD A Kahr PM9 10ish years ago, purchased NEW but found a Crack on the RH Side of the grip frame... Sent it back to Karr and they said that it was a "Mold Mark" and totally safe to shoot... they did tune up the cobby trigger, but I had a bad taste in my mouth over their CS or the Lack There Of so I sold it off and never looked back! I am The Customer Service Manager at Sugarbush Armory, LLC in Attica, NY and NEVER RECOMMEND ANY Kahr! Thanks for this video series Kiddo ';-) Mike...
I don't think many people (that are just getting into shooting - whether for Self Defense or just for Plinking) realize that every make and model of gun can feel VERY Different in your hand and can have characteristics that can Make Or Break your own enjoyment of shooting that particular weapon. You Really need to go into a local gun dealer and take a given gun in hand --- see how it feels... see how it fits your particular hand... see if the weight balance is comfortable to you... see how easy or hard "the slide action" is to manipulate.... and, if possible, find a local range that allows you to rent that particular model to test with actual live fire. ---- as a side note from my comment on your previous video in this series -- you may not like the Canik Elite SC nor the latest Canik M9 (micro) as they are considerably heavier than the carry pistols you have been showing. --- I think the Mete M9 comes in at just around 20 oz and the Elite SC is around 23 or 24 oz... but they shoot REALLY WELL... 🙂 Take Care and keep up the amazing content!
I bought the cheaper but basically the same CM9 right before I thought Hillary was going to get into office in 2016. It's my lightweight option vs my G23. I don't think I can ever remember a single issue with it. Kahr's were the original single stack 9mm before the G43 were finally released.
I still carry my 13yr old cm9. If interested in kahr id hold off on the pm9 cm9 line, as kahr released their new x9 1.5 stack which take p365 and hellcat mags, no adapter needed. The x9 will hit stores full this summer 2024 the x9 are $500, cm9 $350 pm9 $500.
Enjoyed the video. Very interesting. I'd like to see a review of the heavier steel frame Kahr MK9. It's much softer shooting and allows you to attach aftermarket grips to better suit to your hand.
This is such a neat idea! Especially, since we are roughly the same size, your channel has been super helpful. Would you do a review on a Kimber micro? I'm interested in the .380 variant specifically, but the 9 would be fine too. Also looking into the Sig p365 in 380 (I tried the 9, and didn't like it.) Thanks!
Tip since you are familiar with a semi-auto pistol. If you have to point shoot, you'll have to do it with one hand. As you pull it, your index finger should ride the slide and your middle finger operates the trigger.
PM9 was my pocket carry gun for years until P365 came along. I still have both and the G42. Great for pocket carry but there are better choices for primary EDC. That role is now usually either my Macro or 365 AXG.
I've been carrying a PM9 since 2004 and love it. It's *the* original micro 9 and 20 years later it's still the smallest and lightest 9mm... all factors that'll contribute to misery in small thin skinned hands. Alternatively, it's a excellent option for strong hands with thicker skin that can absorb recoil and not break a nail. I think Kahr is (over) due to update it. Time to get rid of the clunky wide slide release that digs into my hip, remove the patently stupid sharp corners on the newer version's slide, and fine tune some of the legit complaints She mentions in this video.
Comparing a 380 to a 9mm is a bit of an apples to oranges deal. Living in the South it gets rather hot in summer which limits clothing options. Sometimes pocket carry is my best option. With some shirts (I'm a guy) I can carry with a OSW holster, IWC does not work for me, for various reasons. I used to carry a 380 but wanted the more penetration and power of a 9. The Kahr CM9 was the right size and I can hit with it, which was suprising since I usually shoot a 1911. (I make modifications on the 1911s, short trigger, thin grips and aftermarket fitted grip safeties when needed, though most come with good grip safeties from the factory now.)
Howdy Stav.... Brother had the Kahr PM9... took it to a training course which included live fire... The FIRING PIN broke after 350 rounds....lots of "red tape" trying to deal with the company... when he finally did get them to accept the firearm for "repair", it took FOUR MONTHS to have the firearm returned to him .... Brother gives the Kahr a score of 3/10 and NOT reliable.
I have never carried or owned a gun made by Kahr. So I cannot speak to how the guns shoot or how they handle. I will say that I have spoken with another female who had the same observations as you Stav. Not a very "comfy gun" to shoot. Very difficult to handle and manipulate the slide was her observation as well. I love that you did this test for the gun and for you. I do like your choice of carry gun, the Glock 42. But I would prefer a 9mm. But to each your own. Thanks for the video. Trying to stay caught up. Say hello to Mac and the boys, and those wonderful funny dogs.
I have a few Kahr. 9mm and 380. I shoot them well, they’re mini tanks, but I don’t recommend to new or not serious shooters. HEAVY spring and snappy. And you have to put grip tape on. Besides that I love my Kahr ( not part of my carry rotation though lol😊 )
I have a CT9 and liked how it felt in my hand. I started out with revolvers so I like the long trigger. However, I had a terrible time racking it and there was no way I could disassemble it without help. I have arthritis in my hands so that works against me. It was easy to carry concealed but I worried about whether or not I could clear a malfunction so I did not feel confident with it.
Mac got her an LCP Max and she reviewed it. I've got one but very rarely carry it. I can pocket carry a 365, G42, G43, GX4 and several others and I shoot nearly all of them better. If the smallest, lightest, gun with double digit capacity is the goal, you found the right gun though. It has a role.
I sat down tonight thinking I'd like to be entertained by a gun video and before I even got going there was a notification that you had a new video out, so I clicked on that and enjoyed your latest.
I have a CM9 and have the exact same issues. Kahr is great for revolver carriers to get a semi auto. Not great when going from a Glock. I installed the trigger reduction springs from M*Carbo that helped a bit. I use a mag extension from Galloway Precision with a Ranger band around the base to fill in the gap. A also have a Hogue grip sleeve. In doing the upgrades, I had to make a take down tool fashioned from a steel tent stake, that was fun. As it sits now, it's more shootable and I use it as a back up gun. Kahr supposedly has a new version trigger which I hear is much better. Hopefully, it will be able to install in the PM/CM series.
I carry this one, and it's my option when I want easier concealment but still be able to carry. For reference, I am quite petite, so something like a Shield can be difficult to conceal. I also do have pretty small hands, so I personally do not have the issue with the pinky. It is harder to load, not as smooth, and it has a longer trigger pull than a shield. But, it's nice to have a 9mm option that's so small since I live in a state that didn't allow some other options like the 365 or hellcat micro at the time.
I had a Kahr CM9 for a bit. It wasn't a bad gun, I just didn't like it as much as i did some others. I didn't keep it long, and ended up going back to my Sig P365. I had no real complaints about the Kahr CM9, it just wasn't for me. Not sure about the PM9. Never had the chance to check that one out yet.
Been watching the channel for a while now. you guys shoot most things with great ease dexterity. After watching this I would never buy or try this gun. Thanks great videos.
I carried the larger CW9 for several years before the shield came along. I switched and never looked back. The Kahr was "ok" when it didn't have any competition. Now, there's zero reason to recommend them. The trigger on all Kahr pistols is like a long DA revolver and not as easy as modern striker triggers. The mags are notorious for dumping rounds out as well. Mine was generally reliable at least unless I put cheap ball ammo through it. With cheap ammo with harder primers, it would get routine light primer strikes and not fire. Also, your almost universal experience in shooting is why it makes no sense to go this small in a 9mm. It doesn't matter if it's more concealable if you can't shoot it.
Being honest, my cop-in-law never lost a patrolman he trained. 100% of the police shootings were point shootings. Didn't have time to bring the gun to your eyes.
We go over point-shooting extensively in our live-fire online course. When we're reviewing firearms, we use sights :) When we discuss and show self-defense training, we may or may not depending on the distance and lesson being taught. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@SheEquipsHerself Unless you are a certified law enforcement you'll be screwed . Don't ever think what your cop husband says as absolute truth. My sister married a cop. He taught me how to shoot.
I’ve carried a CW9 for a good 10 years now. At first the long trigger reset kinda bugged me. But with years of practice I don’t even notice it anymore.
I’ve had a PM9 since the early 2000’s and have enjoyed shooting it though in small doses. Long sessions are for the G19 and G26. My biggest pet peeve is I couldn’t carry spare mags in my pocket, they would shed rounds as I went about my day. I use belt-mounted mag pouches for most carry, but thePM9 begs to be carried in deep concealment or light attire. For that, I’d like to be able to just drop the spare in a pocket. Over a couple hours I had one magazine shed 3 of its 6 rounds just shifting around. There wasn’t anything else even in the pocket. Very bizarre and unique behavior which has limited its utility for me. A shame really because I like the gun and how it shoots.
I sell guns for a living at Academy in Oklahoma, I’ve been doing it for 15 years. What I tell people is that I will not recommend a gun that is smaller than a Smith and Wesson Shield chambered for 9x19. The recoil is a lot for people. I would recommend the Sig P365 380, Ruger Max 380, Walther P22, Ruger SR22, Keltec P17 for the ultimate concealable and shootable guns all under 550$
Yeah, my GX 4 causes my hand to hurt some the next day. I can fire a lot through the G17 with no issues. What gun do you guys tend to hear negatively from customers?
I have a Kahr. Nice pistol. Great for EDC. The longer trigger pull provides an extra measure of safety.
I carried one for almost 7 years, then the P365 came out.
I still carry a Kahr P380 when I want smaller. Thanks for the video
Both I & my husband are 365 fans. They're the best I've found so far (though I'm very picky).
I’d say stop shooting it if it’s hurting you at that point. I do have the Ruger and it fits my hand very good with the rubber grip removed. Stav is a trooper for continuing! 👍🏻
I'm stubborn. :-P Thanks for watching!!
@@SheEquipsHerself 😁👍🏻
I’ve carried one as a back up for 9 years here are a few tips. You can’t slingshot the slide on these instead use the slide release and the first round will always feed. They need around 500 rounds before they break in. You’re right the recoil spring was on backwards..
I carry a Kahr K9 much of the time. It has the nicest out of the box trigger of the striker fired pistols that I've tried.
Husband and guys at the range thought I was crazy when I put a nail file in my range bag. Glad to hear I'm not the only one ..... chipped/broken nails, drive me CrAzY Thanks for doing this comparison series. I'm 5'2", bought (and love) my Equalizer - but it's a bit too big for me to EDC. Watching your series with the hopes that I find my holy grail EDC. Thx! Lisa
I carry one & like it. The heavy recoil spring makes it hard for many to rack & it definitely has a learning curve. I like the heavier revolver like trigger and 9mm in the size of many .380’s.
In a world of 10 and 10+ mag 9mm why go backwards to old technology in the Kahr?
Your advice is spot on about men suggesting guns for their ladies. I’m constantly telling ladies to try before they buy and to ignore the suggestion of a 2” .357 revolver as a first gun.
It's because we have to borrow a bunch of guns to try to do a full and complete comparison. This gun was a buddy of mines. So we borrowed it shot it kept it for a week and I cleaned it and gave it back but we will be doing all the new guns as well. Mac
Single stack carry guns are still in demand in anti gun states. I still carry my 13yr old cm9 that has mag guts springs which adds 2+ to an extended mag making 9 rds. If you love double stack carry guns kahr released their new double stack x9 , it accepts p365 and hellcat mags with out any adapters .the x9 fully hits stores summer 2024 price $500-550
Because there are lots of use cases. A P365 doesn't always fit every requirement. I love my Kahr PM9 and it works very well for me in an ankle rig as a backup because it is a single stack with a two finger grip; the only other pistol that I have found works well in that role for me is the Glock 42. I'd rather have a 9mm over a .380 and the Kahr is much smaller than my Glock 43
Ms. Stav I'm quite familiar with the Kahrs & you're a trooper. I typically don't recommend them to smaller ladies & you showed why here. They do require considerable hand strength. The vicious checkering can be a deterrent too. I don't take mine to classes partially because of the lower round count & partially because I don't like shooting more than 50 or so rounds thru any of mine except the steel frame MK9 which is the same physical size as you PM9. They are excellent guns & mine aren't for sale but they have limitations. The role I have for mine now is as a small gun I can carry when my clothing for the day won't allow my normal choices.
Kahrs do have their own manual of arms & need separate training. Here's some tips. The instruction manual says NOT to slingshot the slide when reloading. They're designed to use the slide release. The manual also recommends a 200 round break in; I prefer double that before I'll carry one. They're really tight & need to wear a little. They work best with plenty of lube. Don't be sparing with it like you would a Glock or Shield. The best way to get used to the trigger is to treat it like a double action revolver & not like a striker fired auto. Finally, I've never seen a recoil spring do that on mine. I found out years ago Kahr gets their springs from Wolff(recoil & mag) so a call to Wolff will help you figure that out. Their recoil springs don't have a very long life & that might have been the problem but Wolff can tell you more than I can.
Thank you for what you do & I'll keep sending anyone I can to your channel.
I love these videos.... Someone giving their opinions wins and fails product reviews.... ALOT of good info here keep it going!!!
Thank you so much!!
Great idea on a series.
Need a deep dive revisit on the 365 in 380. Get a new sample fresh off the factory floor to see if they’ve worked out all the kinks.
Thanks for all you do, love the second channel too!
It’s coming :) thanks for watching (this AND my second channel!! )
Sticky holsters are nice. I’ve got three of them I like them.
My big sister told me about them years ago. I should’ve listened to her sooner!!
@@SheEquipsHerself I'm pretty sure your recommendation years ago is why I picked one up for my CM9. I think it was you I heard about them from.
I made it to timestamp 2:47 and started cracking up. This was one of the first guns I bought back in the day, and I loathe it. Every problem you described, I also had issues with - except broken nails - I don’t really have nails.
My nails are pretty short at this point but I still broke them somehow :-P
Because that gun is evil. 😂
I've carried both on and off duty since 1974. Still do, everyday. I've come to the conclusion that a full size handgun is my own preference. I carry several different handguns cause I like guns!!! All of them are carried OWB-at one time I carried only IWB; trust me, OWB is much more comfy and I have no trouble concealing full size pistols in an OWB holster. Pistols I carry regularly are: Glock 19, Glock 20, Sig P226 Elite, Beretta 92 Brigadier, EAA Tanfoglio Witness limited custom in 10mm, and RIA 2011 full size 10mm. I also own Ruger LCP, Kahr CM9, and Glock 26; but those rarely get carried. Full size is more accurate, less recoil, more comfy to shoot. And when SHTF you want exactly these things in a handgun. My opinion only.
Just curious but what holster do you recommend to carry your 2011. I have a 1911. Thanks.
Agreed!! I carry a G17 daily for the reasons you mentioned.
When I was a L.E.O. I carried my full size duty pistol concealed when off duty on the theory that if I ever had to use it... instead of one of my guns sitting in an Evidence Room for who knows how long..my Agency would just issue me an identical one while THEIR gun went to Evidence, LOL...
Being 6'4 & 245 I admit that carrying a full size handgun concealed is easier for me than it is for some others.
I carried a Kahr TP9 for years. Finding magazines was nearly impossible. One of the reasons why I switched to a Glock 48.
So grateful for your expertise and lady's perspective! ❤
Debra
It's easy to see the Kahr doesn't fit you as I noticed lots of muzzle flip when shooting. OBTW, great series!
Great job on the review! My wife is just starting to carry, and since we're older and she is new to handguns, I got her a Taurus TX22 Compact to start with, and as she grows in proficiency, may move her up in caliber. Would really appreciate you doing a review on the Taurus! Blessings
How does she like the Tx-22 compact? I love my Tx-22.
@@paulcarlin5181 , she has really taken to it, as has our 30 year old daughter. My daughter had been carrying a 9mm, but after shooting the TX22 at the range, has switched for 3 reasons:1 accuracy 2 target reacquisition speed 3 more rounds for less weight.
I currently carry the P365X and really like the comfort and conceal ability.
With the exception to the Shield Plus, I personally shoot the PM9 2nd best out of dozens of carry firearms. I have large hands and a strong grip which I'm sure helps. The trigger is long and somewhat heavy, but smooth as butter.
I own the CM9 and HC. Hellcat is about the same size with 11+1
Bought a Kahr pm9 for my wife years ago because she thought it was cute. It didn’t last long. She did not shoot it well (she’s actually a very good shooter) and she HATED the trigger. I agree with her - very long pull with an indistinct wall. She switched to a Walther PPS M2 (great shooter, great trigger, very accurate) for a number of years till settling on the p365. The very little she gives up in trigger and accuracy (her thoughts) with the Sig, she gains in carry-ability and capacity. (And we love your videos, btw).
I would have liked a more full discussion of the cause and cure of the Kahr malfunction.
We have this gun on loan from a friend and the person who re-assembled it last put the spring in backwards. It was a simple fix!
Hey Stav for ur little hands the p365 is a awesome small gun for edc.Its light comfortable and you hardly know it's there not to mention good little shooter
thank you for the video. I enjoy shooting my g42, my Kahr, not so much. the Kahr jams quite a bit. I don't have the necessary hand and wrist strength, which I believe contributes to the Kahr malfunction.
I agree on the Khar I never warmed up to them. Michelle took to a Glock 19 and a S&W model 10 and handled them like a champ. I just yesterday got the Hellcat pro. I cant wait to shoot it.
I have a Kahr PM 9, a Kahr P9 and a Kahr CW380. I personally like the guns have carried them for years. However my wife hates them. She prefers her Shield.
I purchased a Walther PDP-F for my wife to utilize. She has smaller hands and the shorter reach works better for her than our Glock 17/19. Would be curious to see your perspective on the PDP-F even though it is a little larger than what you typically carry. My wife really enjoys shooting that firearm and I have been working with her to become more comfortable with shooting and safe firearm handling. Thanks for your videos and the perspective you provide!
How about the HK VP9sk?
They have the optic cuts out now and 13 round mags for redder states.
Walther PPS. I carried one for a few years and still love it.
I have a Kahr CW9 that I recently bought. It’s a little bigger than the PM9. I had none of the issues that you mentioned with the PM9. For me the recoil seems less than my Sig P320 X full size. It shot accurately at self defense range . It’s easy and comfortable for me to carry concealed which is something I’ve struggled with for years. The trigger - which is described as DAO - did take some getting used to but I found it be very smooth. It’s been 100 percent reliable so far. And new it cost me about half what a new Glock does. To each his/her own though.
A few years ago I had a Kahr 380. I liked the size of the gun for conceal carry. Unfortunately, the striker broke twice with less than 500 rounds. The second time it broke I traded it in for a Glock 42 which I like much more. I am really enjoying these videos.
Kahr says to use the slide lock to release the slide to chamber a round. That should eliminate the slide hesitation of that first round.
I like the PM9 and I also have the PM40. I pocket carry them. I also have small hands, being only 5" 4". When I shoot them, my pinky is under the mag & that gives a 2 finger grip. I'm comfortable like that. And I shoot both well.
The kahr p380 is infinitely better (as far as how it shoots). Just btw. Also, you have to you the slide release to chamber the first round.
I carried a CM9 for couple years. Easy hide but low capacity. Went to Shield next now Shield Plus.
Good video! The Kahr sub-compacts. along with the Kel-Tec P11, actually launched the genre back in the early 2000s, but I haven't heard much about them since then.
That muzzle flip looks like you’re shooting a 45!
We nicknamed this gun The punisher because it beats the hell out of your hand.....mac
I have a P365XL (didn't you buy one of those?) that I love I think it's the perfect combination of small enough to conceal but big enough that it isn't awful to shoot
I had the opportunity to shoot the Kahr CM 40 and I loved it.Accurate,
Feels great in the hand.
It’s not just you, a lot of people (men and women) don’t like shooting this gun. The 380 seems to be more popular, probably just the recoil, but I used to shoot the G42 and I would say it’s the softest shooting 380 out there. I realize experience varies on how the gun fits in your hand, but I have seen enough videos to pass on the PM9.
I was trained by my cop- in-law who was the handgun instructor for the San Antonio police department during my teenage years in the 70's.
He stopped when I could outshoot him in point shooting.
It was like " My God what have I done!"
🤣
You are a trooper in my books by continuing on when it was hurting your hands. I love shooting but I would have stopped if it was uncomfortable.I love the series. 💜
Great coverage on CCW and like to see review of the following guns… MP Shield 9m. And the Breda 380 just my suggestion Thanks
Can you review the Beretta APX A1 Compact? I am enjoying this new series!
I go to p9/CW9/S9, slightly larger but very concealable and talon grips is a must to avoid unconfortable shooting. If weight is not a matter, K9 Nd Mk9 are heavier but still light for EDC
Owned a CM9 since 2012. Most days, my G43, P365, and Hellcat stay in the safe. And I'm ok with the capacity of the Kahr.
Hello Stav, I HAD A Kahr PM9 10ish years ago, purchased NEW but found a Crack on the RH Side of the grip frame... Sent it back to Karr and they said that it was a "Mold Mark" and totally safe to shoot... they did tune up the cobby trigger, but I had a bad taste in my mouth over their CS or the Lack There Of so I sold it off and never looked back! I am The Customer Service Manager at Sugarbush Armory, LLC in Attica, NY and NEVER RECOMMEND ANY Kahr! Thanks for this video series Kiddo ';-) Mike...
I don't think many people (that are just getting into shooting - whether for Self Defense or just for Plinking) realize that every make and model of gun can feel VERY Different in your hand and can have characteristics that can Make Or Break your own enjoyment of shooting that particular weapon. You Really need to go into a local gun dealer and take a given gun in hand --- see how it feels... see how it fits your particular hand... see if the weight balance is comfortable to you... see how easy or hard "the slide action" is to manipulate.... and, if possible, find a local range that allows you to rent that particular model to test with actual live fire. ---- as a side note from my comment on your previous video in this series -- you may not like the Canik Elite SC nor the latest Canik M9 (micro) as they are considerably heavier than the carry pistols you have been showing. --- I think the Mete M9 comes in at just around 20 oz and the Elite SC is around 23 or 24 oz... but they shoot REALLY WELL... 🙂 Take Care and keep up the amazing content!
Yes yes and yes!! Excellent points.
I bought the cheaper but basically the same CM9 right before I thought Hillary was going to get into office in 2016. It's my lightweight option vs my G23. I don't think I can ever remember a single issue with it. Kahr's were the original single stack 9mm before the G43 were finally released.
What does a candidate have to do with anything? Did you overdose on Fox News or something?
Stav, thanks for doing this series. Strong work.
I would like to see you test the Ruger Security-380.
God bless you!
I still carry my 13yr old cm9. If interested in kahr id hold off on the pm9 cm9 line, as kahr released their new x9 1.5 stack which take p365 and hellcat mags, no adapter needed. The x9 will hit stores full this summer 2024 the x9 are $500, cm9 $350 pm9 $500.
Try out the PSA Micro Dagger.
Enjoyed the video. Very interesting. I'd like to see a review of the heavier steel frame Kahr MK9. It's much softer shooting and allows you to attach aftermarket grips to better suit to your hand.
This is such a neat idea! Especially, since we are roughly the same size, your channel has been super helpful.
Would you do a review on a Kimber micro? I'm interested in the .380 variant specifically, but the 9 would be fine too. Also looking into the Sig p365 in 380 (I tried the 9, and didn't like it.) Thanks!
I sent an email to Kimber we are trying to get some tests guns from them but they haven't answered just yet....mac
Nice review. I've a PM9 and use the standard magazine w a pinky extension on the floor plate. Still a snapper
I carry the Staccato CS. Is it possible to do a review on the CS or the C2? Love the videos. Keep up the good work!
Tip since you are familiar with a semi-auto pistol.
If you have to point shoot, you'll have to do it with one hand.
As you pull it, your index finger should ride the slide and your middle finger operates the trigger.
PM9 was my pocket carry gun for years until P365 came along. I still have both and the G42. Great for pocket carry but there are better choices for primary EDC. That role is now usually either my Macro or 365 AXG.
Excellent video. ❤
My wife still prefers the Karh PM9.
I've been carrying a PM9 since 2004 and love it. It's *the* original micro 9 and 20 years later it's still the smallest and lightest 9mm... all factors that'll contribute to misery in small thin skinned hands. Alternatively, it's a excellent option for strong hands with thicker skin that can absorb recoil and not break a nail.
I think Kahr is (over) due to update it. Time to get rid of the clunky wide slide release that digs into my hip, remove the patently stupid sharp corners on the newer version's slide, and fine tune some of the legit complaints She mentions in this video.
Awesome work. I'm excited to be along for the ride!
Comparing a 380 to a 9mm is a bit of an apples to oranges deal. Living in the South it gets rather hot in summer which limits clothing options. Sometimes pocket carry is my best option. With some shirts (I'm a guy) I can carry with a OSW holster, IWC does not work for me, for various reasons. I used to carry a 380 but wanted the more penetration and power of a 9. The Kahr CM9 was the right size and I can hit with it, which was suprising since I usually shoot a 1911. (I make modifications on the 1911s, short trigger, thin grips and aftermarket fitted grip safeties when needed, though most come with good grip safeties from the factory now.)
Great video ! Can't wait for the next one. 😊
CZ PCR compact is next....mac
Howdy Stav....
Brother had the Kahr PM9... took it to a training course which included live fire...
The FIRING PIN broke after 350 rounds....lots of "red tape" trying to deal with the company... when he finally did get them to accept the firearm for "repair", it took FOUR MONTHS to have the firearm returned to him ....
Brother gives the Kahr a score of 3/10 and NOT reliable.
Try a combat grip, if you watch your support hand its not doing anything for recoil
I have never carried or owned a gun made by Kahr. So I cannot speak to how the guns shoot or how they handle. I will say that I have spoken with another female who had the same observations as you Stav. Not a very "comfy gun" to shoot. Very difficult to handle and manipulate the slide was her observation as well. I love that you did this test for the gun and for you. I do like your choice of carry gun, the Glock 42. But I would prefer a 9mm. But to each your own. Thanks for the video. Trying to stay caught up. Say hello to Mac and the boys, and those wonderful funny dogs.
Thank you for another good video 👍🏻
Suggest you look at the Walther 9mm PPS M2 LEO version. Great carry, good trigger, good sights. 3 mags.
I have a few Kahr. 9mm and 380. I shoot them well, they’re mini tanks, but I don’t recommend to new or not serious shooters. HEAVY spring and snappy. And you have to put grip tape on. Besides that I love my Kahr ( not part of my carry rotation though lol😊 )
Fine motor skills are needed for slide release. Under stress grabing the slide to rack a round might be a better option
I tried a Kahr years ago and it was jumpy in my hand. Just a preference because my buddy loves his PM9
I have a CT9 and liked how it felt in my hand. I started out with revolvers so I like the long trigger. However, I had a terrible time racking it and there was no way I could disassemble it without help. I have arthritis in my hands so that works against me. It was easy to carry concealed but I worried about whether or not I could clear a malfunction so I did not feel confident with it.
Take a look at the Ruger LCP Max in a Sticky holster in a front pocket in cargo pants or shorts. Ten rounds, about a pound, hardly know its there.
Mac got her an LCP Max and she reviewed it. I've got one but very rarely carry it. I can pocket carry a 365, G42, G43, GX4 and several others and I shoot nearly all of them better. If the smallest, lightest, gun with double digit capacity is the goal, you found the right gun though. It has a role.
Kahr P380 biggest POS ever, PM9 is awesome. I went to a revolver for deep carry for reliability, to each their own.
Finger pinch on the Kahr can be remedied with an O ring around the mag body. I couldn’t get comfortable with mine, either.
I sat down tonight thinking I'd like to be entertained by a gun video and before I even got going there was a notification that you had a new video out, so I clicked on that and enjoyed your latest.
My EDC is the CW9 and I love it give it a try! could be a better fit!
I would love to see how you like the Oracle Arms 9mm 2311 compact. I am loving this series!
I have a CM9 and have the exact same issues. Kahr is great for revolver carriers to get a semi auto. Not great when going from a Glock. I installed the trigger reduction springs from M*Carbo that helped a bit. I use a mag extension from Galloway Precision with a Ranger band around the base to fill in the gap. A also have a Hogue grip sleeve. In doing the upgrades, I had to make a take down tool fashioned from a steel tent stake, that was fun. As it sits now, it's more shootable and I use it as a back up gun. Kahr supposedly has a new version trigger which I hear is much better. Hopefully, it will be able to install in the PM/CM series.
I carry this one, and it's my option when I want easier concealment but still be able to carry. For reference, I am quite petite, so something like a Shield can be difficult to conceal. I also do have pretty small hands, so I personally do not have the issue with the pinky. It is harder to load, not as smooth, and it has a longer trigger pull than a shield. But, it's nice to have a 9mm option that's so small since I live in a state that didn't allow some other options like the 365 or hellcat micro at the time.
I could see and hear how much pop that gun had right a way. Looked hard to control!
It was not fun. But I'm not a quitter!! :)
I am curious, however, with the recall, spring reversed would it shoot better?
I bought my kahr cm9 in 2010 and I still carry it on occasions when deep concealment is needed such as work or church.
You have the best videos about pistols, kudos
Great post again 👏 👌 try it, practice , get training best advise you always give 👍
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I had a Kahr CM9 for a bit. It wasn't a bad gun, I just didn't like it as much as i did some others. I didn't keep it long, and ended up going back to my Sig P365. I had no real complaints about the Kahr CM9, it just wasn't for me. Not sure about the PM9. Never had the chance to check that one out yet.
Kahr Arms got its start in 1995 and and the Glock 42 appeared in 2014.
Been watching the channel for a while now. you guys shoot most things with great ease dexterity. After watching this I would never buy or try this gun. Thanks great videos.
I carried the larger CW9 for several years before the shield came along. I switched and never looked back. The Kahr was "ok" when it didn't have any competition. Now, there's zero reason to recommend them.
The trigger on all Kahr pistols is like a long DA revolver and not as easy as modern striker triggers. The mags are notorious for dumping rounds out as well. Mine was generally reliable at least unless I put cheap ball ammo through it. With cheap ammo with harder primers, it would get routine light primer strikes and not fire.
Also, your almost universal experience in shooting is why it makes no sense to go this small in a 9mm. It doesn't matter if it's more concealable if you can't shoot it.
As my cop-in-law said,
"It's called a handgun, not a hands-gun!"
Hah!!
@@SheEquipsHerself Train point shooting with either hand.
Being honest, my cop-in-law never lost a patrolman he trained.
100% of the police shootings were point shootings.
Didn't have time to bring the gun to your eyes.
We go over point-shooting extensively in our live-fire online course. When we're reviewing firearms, we use sights :) When we discuss and show self-defense training, we may or may not depending on the distance and lesson being taught. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@SheEquipsHerself Unless you are a certified law enforcement you'll be screwed .
Don't ever think what your cop husband says as absolute truth.
My sister married a cop.
He taught me how to shoot.
@@SheEquipsHerself After he instructed me it scared him and I was only 16.
Video on Hellcat Pro please, thanks for doing this series..I have small hands too 😊😊
We are definitely going to be testing the hellcat in this series....mac
Small hand club 🙌🏼
Love this series, l like to see a revolver like a taurus 605 or 856. Be great if Mac also reviewed the same gun
I’ve carried a CW9 for a good 10 years now. At first the long trigger reset kinda bugged me. But with years of practice I don’t even notice it anymore.
Make sure your gun is comfy in your hand bef9re you purchase
your hair looks great 👍🏻
Thank you!!
With arthritis, I don’t enjoy loading any magazines. I might have stopped training if it wasn’t for Maglula.
A Hogue Rubber Grip Handall Jr. Small Size Grip Sleeve on the PM9 makes a world of difference for $13 on Amazon.
I’ve had a PM9 since the early 2000’s and have enjoyed shooting it though in small doses. Long sessions are for the G19 and G26. My biggest pet peeve is I couldn’t carry spare mags in my pocket, they would shed rounds as I went about my day. I use belt-mounted mag pouches for most carry, but thePM9 begs to be carried in deep concealment or light attire. For that, I’d like to be able to just drop the spare in a pocket. Over a couple hours I had one magazine shed 3 of its 6 rounds just shifting around. There wasn’t anything else even in the pocket. Very bizarre and unique behavior which has limited its utility for me. A shame really because I like the gun and how it shoots.