Daigo has a superb sense of spacing. I had no idea he was THIS good. And yeah, everyone's seen the parry thing he does, wow, wish I could play against him or be there chanting "HEYS" when Yun was doing his juggles. I learned much just by watching this_^)
The character you SHOULD play is the character you LIKE playing. Daigo, who is everyone's hero, has proven that a mid tier character (Ken) can own. Tiers are NOT a replacement for player skill; they simply represent the cold mathematics behind the characters and which one's numbers add up higher. The only time tiers really become a true factor is when player skill is high and is equal.
Overall, Daigo is the best, look at this track record dating back to '98 alpha3 tournament, dude has been playing sf/2d games for a while, winning some big tournaments getting top 3 finishes on many other tourneys. Daigo is well known throughout the U.S, europe, and asia.
I agree, they really made fireballs toned down but they have their uses for baiting people. Ex fireballs are a lot more useful I think you'll agree. A hadouken at point blank feels like a slap to the face now ;p
Another thing on tiers: It doesn't automatically mean a bottom tier character simply can't win, especially in relatively well balanced games like Super Turbo where the tier lists are rather tight. All it means is that the higher tier character has some advantages. They could be extremely minor, or they could be significant, but they are there. The further the gap between the characters on the list, the more obvious the advantages become. Tiers are a fact of life, by deisgn or otherwise.
This is by far, the best fight I have seen on all of UA-cam. It is the most intense and has the most action. Two very skilled players, but Daigo is better. I love watching him play, and wish more Vid's were up on him.
K.O's Yun was showing that famous Hong Kong style (of course K.O is Japanese). Daigo is still my favourite Street Fighter player though. He is brilliant to watch.
Daigo came from losers bracket so he had to win two series to win tournament. Daigo clearly outmatched KO in first series, but he still needed to win one more series to win tournament. KO was from winners so he only needed to beat Daigo in only one series to win it all. Look it up Daigo lost to KO in both evo tournaments that KO participated in. Daigo will always be forever known as one of the all time greats, but i believe KO in his prime was THE greatest third strike player out there bar none.
I can't help but notice that in the middle rounds Daigo was taking a savage beating by juggle king Yun, but in the last match he bascially said "You're not winning..."
He does start to buckle under pressure when he gets corner trapped but that's natural. He don't need work, he naturally got beat by a higher damage dealing character. Hands down, that's gotta the best Yun player I've ever scene.
I agree with what you say here: "The character you SHOULD play is the character you LIKE playing." But like many have pointed out before me, Ken is high tier, and Daigo has proved nothing. In some games, tiers are a replacement for player skill. Sure if an expert fights a novice then the tier gap can be overcome, but when both players are at the same skill level, tiers play a large part in the outcome.
Read on the capcom forum, that after the re-release of MvC2 for PSN, they're deffinatly thinking of another remake. I dont think it's gonna be like II HD remix with the graphics / balance, just online. Rumoured though =]
Okay, here's the summary: The tiers represent how much work it takes to win with that character. The higher they are on the list, the less work it takes to win because the game provides more tools for them in one way or another. That's the simplest way I can make it.
Has there been any SF3 matches on this level yet. I mean im not like saying anything against any other SF3 players, but this set as a whole has to be one of the most entertaining sets i've ever seen..and im personally more of an Alex fan. I personally think this was Daigo at his best..Other than Guilty Gear.. I haven't seen him perform much better and close to flawless in a game yet.
2nd place at 3rd strike? Not bad for a guy who placed 1st on both Super Turbo and Guilty Gear (his main game at the time) in the same EVO tourney. And he repeated this same placing on EVO '04. Not bad at all..........
The SA 3 super is fairly weak, but it has notable advantages over SA I and II. For one it has three short meters, so it is easy to charge. You also get more ex moves. And the move can be hit confirmed from a lot of moves. It is also an effective move to super cancel into. Which is why it is his strongest super, because the meters offer much more flexibility. The supers themselves aren't grounds for picking a particular super art.
True shit. Also Daigo on a recent interview sai that that year (2k4) he wasnt playin 3S seriously so go figure. The next year he won the SBO with Nuki as partner and against Kokujin and KO so he isnt any slouch at 3S.
It depends on what your definition of "work" is, Yun takes a lot of work to win. If you want to say that some characters are better than other characters in this game, then yes I agree totally.
I'll admit, Daigo had a great winning streak at first. but I BELIEVE, he got cocky a bit, that's when he started to slip up. If you notice throughout the fight. He combos into his Shippu Jinrai ALOT with a low medium and straight into it. KO I believe saw this and used it to his advantage. If you notice through this video KO does manage to make a comeback. Until Daigo unleashed the beast.
damn he does those enders pretty nice go KO!!!! and this is an evo tourney i wonder if they still play the ps2... it seems the game speed is faster or is it just the arcade sticks they use
There is a major difference between imitation, and real performance. And that is results. If you think your better then the beast, just win in evo and proove it.
Yun is awsome! There's absolutely no reason why he should not return to SFIV! The SFIII characters in general are excellent! And deserve some respect!! Except for Gill!
3rd strike is dead. This was probably the second biggest tourney in America this year, so what/where would you suggest is more competitive? Also I'm familiar with the 3s scene (if there is any "scene" remaining anywhere) in Ohio as I live in Cincinnati. The fact remains that if you say Daigo is ass at this game you are being shortsighted and stupid as he is still better than the vast majority of US players.
u dont understand. he has been defeated a couple times but wut i meant was that in the tourny's he was never put in the loser brackets that means he either won the title or second place.
You're ignorant if you refuse to acknowledge tiers. It's impossible to fully balance ANY game - characters will have edges, no matter how slight. Tiers represent who would win in a match between two characters of extremely high skill that would be able to utilize technical nuances and what not of the engine. They're not magical things or cop-outs; they're cold mathematics. They are fact by virtue of being essentially an amalgam of statistics in an 'at-a-glance' package.
i could tell daigo was gettin tired, it happens, KO adapted and dominated once he patterned out, theres only but so many ways to suprise your opponent with ken.
Um Yun and Yang's top tier play styles are pretty different. Yang doesn't "juggle" and neither does Makoto. But you missed my point. Yes I notice the godly/great difference you made, but OVERALL KO is a GODLY player, Daigo is a GODLY Ken. And no, KO isn't just "great" with Yun and Yang. His Yun is the best with Nitto second. And his Yang good as well.
@frenzii3s that is just one tournament man. in most of the others tournaments dagio has enter in, he has place 1st or 2nd in 3rd strike, but i do agree if he goes into a tournament now for 3rd strike he would most likely not do as well because the players are much stronger now. but that doesn't mean he can't win. also with 3rd strike being less popular now there would really be no point in him working so hard at a game that nobody plays as much anymore not to say there are no loyalist around.
You wrong thepageofcups, ken is a top tier character, he are a very polyvalent character unlike ryu. He get very good normal move, a very good projectile (EX hadouken) and unlike ryu, he get nice cross up (the air MK), that's why he are top tier. I think is 3 best char is: 1:yun 2:chun-li 3:ken
I think K.O. definitely has the potential to outclass Daigo with his third strike playing skills, it's just that with Daigo's skills, I just don't see how he could lose to anyone.
BEST SKILL EVER FROM UNBELIEVABLE PLAYERS!!!! i doubt to see any other skills like this in my life! they are fast like hell, unhuman YEAH THAT's IT ... UNHUMAN
BECAUSE THEY AREN'T. Although they do so much damage, their priority over other chars is not as much as Ken, Yun, Chun. Ken has A LOT of options. Ryu is too slow to be top tier, Akuma isn't because of him taking so much damage, Hugo doesn't because of his dash speed and the fact that most of his moves require close range that can easily be poked out of.
I could be wrong, but Yun's super seems a bit unbalanced. If a skilled person uses him, he can always do damage with his super, but other characters can miss or be stopped. Even if KO won, I still think Daigo is more skilled.
can someone tell me who is the top dudley player and just becuase im a fan i love this game but was kinda piss that they did not but sagat my fav charcter in here.
No, Jankenpop is right. The top is Yun, Chun, and Mak. You can argue it all you want, but Japanese tourneys prove it. On top of that, top Japanese players AGREE that Makoto is better than Ken. Ken is now thought to be comparable to Dudley -- they're both low A-tier.
Diago's videos have a disproportionate amount of videos in comparison with every other player of 3rd Strike, which is in large part due to the full parry. While Ken has always been good, many people DID start playing 3rd Strike because of Daigo. In my opinion Deshiken is a better Ken and even flashier than Dagio; but he never gets anywhere near the view counts.
actually man, you were wrong in the first place for saying ken isn't a top tier character. go to any reputable fighting game community and you will see ken, chun-li, and yun in the top tier list, always.
As much as I am a fan of Daigo and say he's the best Ken player, and among the top tier players in Japan, he is nowhere near the skill level of KO. KO has enough confidence in himself to play with 3 different characters in ranbats and SBOs (Yun, Makoto and Yang). He is able to do more than well with them. He, Boss and Kuroda are apparently on levels higher than EVERYONE else in Japan.
"buffering" is the act of after say a low forward you BUFFER as in make the motion of the super, if you verify the hit, then since you buffered it, all you need to do is input the buttons. And a super by itself takes more than say a low forward shoryu super? Or Dudley's overhead x super? Okay.
Ya you mean Daigo beat all of them!! =XD Thanks for supporting me haha! Gosh dude, it's like your saying that you're better than him with your tone of voice, it's your matter of perspective saying that Daigo isn't good anymore at 3S. I think Daigo sucking at 3S is like the analogy of Bill Gates becoming poor lol. That's hilarious LOL. No disrespect though. I mean come on, take a look at this video for example: Daigo is competing with the world's best Third Strike player and putting up a fight.
![SFIII: 3rd Strike - Ken [Daigo] vs Chun Li [Justin Wong]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YnEWSO6NrQo/mqdefault.jpg)
I don't think there's any question. This is the greatest match in SF3 history.
still is to this day dude ive watched it so many times
Daigo is the epitamy of how a person should actually get pissed off in a fighting game
6:20 That is a stroke of genius. SF4/SSF4 will never have that...
God Daigo and KO Both are very impressive in this match. Well done to the both of them!
Daigo has a superb sense of spacing. I had no idea he was THIS good. And yeah, everyone's seen the parry thing he does, wow, wish I could play against him or be there chanting "HEYS" when Yun was doing his juggles. I learned much just by watching this_^)
The character you SHOULD play is the character you LIKE playing. Daigo, who is everyone's hero, has proven that a mid tier character (Ken) can own. Tiers are NOT a replacement for player skill; they simply represent the cold mathematics behind the characters and which one's numbers add up higher. The only time tiers really become a true factor is when player skill is high and is equal.
Aw man this game looks so fun. Though I don't think I could ever become good enough to enjoy high level play like this.
この時のウメハラと今の弟子犬の同キャラ対戦を心底見たい
The crowd going "hey hey hey hey hey heyyy" is freaking hilarious.
What do they normally say in Japanese? I've always wondered
Overall, Daigo is the best, look at this track record dating back to '98 alpha3 tournament, dude has been playing sf/2d games for a while, winning some big tournaments getting top 3 finishes on many other tourneys. Daigo is well known throughout the U.S, europe, and asia.
I agree, they really made fireballs toned down but they have their uses for baiting people. Ex fireballs are a lot more useful I think you'll agree. A hadouken at point blank feels like a slap to the face now ;p
Another thing on tiers: It doesn't automatically mean a bottom tier character simply can't win, especially in relatively well balanced games like Super Turbo where the tier lists are rather tight. All it means is that the higher tier character has some advantages. They could be extremely minor, or they could be significant, but they are there. The further the gap between the characters on the list, the more obvious the advantages become. Tiers are a fact of life, by deisgn or otherwise.
ok thx dude. i guess street figher IV is gonna b the next thing and ill probably hop onto the franchise then b/c i guess it'll hav online
This is by far, the best fight I have seen on all of UA-cam. It is the most intense and has the most action. Two very skilled players, but Daigo is better. I love watching him play, and wish more Vid's were up on him.
K.O's Yun was showing that famous Hong Kong style (of course K.O is Japanese). Daigo is still my favourite Street Fighter player though. He is brilliant to watch.
Daigo came from losers bracket so he had to win two series to win tournament. Daigo clearly outmatched KO in first series, but he still needed to win one more series to win tournament. KO was from winners so he only needed to beat Daigo in only one series to win it all. Look it up Daigo lost to KO in both evo tournaments that KO participated in. Daigo will always be forever known as one of the all time greats, but i believe KO in his prime was THE greatest third strike player out there bar none.
KO loses to daigo in sbo 2005 though
lol @ 6:23...i like how KO hit Daigo with his taunt after the match was over and the crowd gasped like it was the ultimate insult haha
I can't help but notice that in the middle rounds Daigo was taking a savage beating by juggle king Yun, but in the last match he bascially said "You're not winning..."
i hate to b a noob but is this street fighter 2? what systems do they sell it on b/c im looking to get n2 other fighters other than doa and sc
He does start to buckle under pressure when he gets corner trapped but that's natural. He don't need work, he naturally got beat by a higher damage dealing character. Hands down, that's gotta the best Yun player I've ever scene.
I agree with what you say here:
"The character you SHOULD play is the character you LIKE playing."
But like many have pointed out before me, Ken is high tier, and Daigo has proved nothing.
In some games, tiers are a replacement for player skill. Sure if an expert fights a novice then the tier gap can be overcome, but when both players are at the same skill level, tiers play a large part in the outcome.
How do You do that Jump-in attack combo that Daigo parried at 0:18? I'm trying to pick up yun.
Read on the capcom forum, that after the re-release of MvC2 for PSN, they're deffinatly thinking of another remake.
I dont think it's gonna be like II HD remix with the graphics / balance, just online.
Rumoured though =]
Okay, here's the summary: The tiers represent how much work it takes to win with that character. The higher they are on the list, the less work it takes to win because the game provides more tools for them in one way or another. That's the simplest way I can make it.
Has there been any SF3 matches on this level yet.
I mean im not like saying anything against any other SF3 players, but this set as a whole has to be one of the most entertaining sets i've ever seen..and im personally more of an Alex fan.
I personally think this was Daigo at his best..Other than Guilty Gear.. I haven't seen him perform much better and close to flawless in a game yet.
2nd place at 3rd strike? Not bad for a guy who placed 1st on both Super Turbo and Guilty Gear (his main game at the time) in the same EVO tourney. And he repeated this same placing on EVO '04. Not bad at all..........
The SA 3 super is fairly weak, but it has notable advantages over SA I and II. For one it has three short meters, so it is easy to charge. You also get more ex moves. And the move can be hit confirmed from a lot of moves. It is also an effective move to super cancel into. Which is why it is his strongest super, because the meters offer much more flexibility. The supers themselves aren't grounds for picking a particular super art.
True shit. Also Daigo on a recent interview sai that that year (2k4) he wasnt playin 3S seriously so go figure. The next year he won the SBO with Nuki as partner and against Kokujin and KO so he isnt any slouch at 3S.
I Love how Daigo daigo does a basic combo into a shroyuken and cancels it immediatly into a Jinrai super .. takes so much health out
thx man but i found that out a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago. but i appreciate it. :)
Does anybody knows if there's a Channel or Website which cover the battles Live?
Who else rewinds & slow-moze the epic gLiTcH >? 0_- -_0
MURDER....pure unadultereated.
Daigo's speed, parry ability and the strength of Ken is a deadly combination.
Daigo kicks ass. Makes me wonder whether he'll play in tournaments for Street Fighter IV.
it came out for ps2 in Japan and US. Can find it on certain us game shops. try looking for vintage gaming.
or you can chip your ps2 and just DL it.
in 2004, the beast was unstoppable, but his glory days are kinda over now.
he's probably thinking "i'll just save my ultra bar for the next round"
It depends on what your definition of "work" is, Yun takes a lot of work to win.
If you want to say that some characters are better than other characters in this game, then yes I agree totally.
i guess daigo was as his best in 2003/2004
he does a smaller bar to fill up...plus the combos and special moves that connect do help =D
IMO, it was because of the techs. Techs allowed for players to read their opponents moves and turn the fight around on a dime.
wonderful - thanks so much to uploader. that yun is sav.
are they playing on pc or ps2 or what and whos the best character in the game cuz ima start playing it no more ssbm for me
Man I love Daigo play style, but sometimes I just wish evo2k3 technique was more effective. Its hella fun watching him play.
that was a lot of matches, was that for a championship?
you know I agree but it's still fun playing games, there's time for both IMO
I'll admit, Daigo had a great winning streak at first. but I BELIEVE, he got cocky a bit, that's when he started to slip up. If you notice throughout the fight. He combos into his Shippu Jinrai ALOT with a low medium and straight into it. KO I believe saw this and used it to his advantage. If you notice through this video KO does manage to make a comeback. Until Daigo unleashed the beast.
damn he does those enders pretty nice go KO!!!! and this is an evo tourney i wonder if they still play the ps2... it seems the game speed is faster or is it just the arcade sticks they use
It seemed as he used this as a training as well. Did he just concentrate on reading his opponents move the 3rd and 4th match?
There is a major difference between imitation, and real performance. And that is results. If you think your better then the beast, just win in evo and proove it.
i like how his brother jus stands there and watches. When I first saw that i was like is he going to help?? lol
It's actually agreed upon that the top three are Yun, Chun-Li and Makoto.
He's the best in every other SF game. :) Probably within the top 5 at least in the world with this game.
Yun is awsome! There's absolutely no reason why he should not return to SFIV! The SFIII characters in general are excellent! And deserve some respect!! Except for Gill!
3rd strike is dead. This was probably the second biggest tourney in America this year, so what/where would you suggest is more competitive? Also I'm familiar with the 3s scene (if there is any "scene" remaining anywhere) in Ohio as I live in Cincinnati. The fact remains that if you say Daigo is ass at this game you are being shortsighted and stupid as he is still better than the vast majority of US players.
Does anyone know where these tournaments take place?
Beautiful matches from both competitors.
daigo is good, ko is good, yun is also a top tier character so the match is really up for grabs, sometimes you get lucky though.
This is my favourite set of all time
I think this is as well as the game can be played. Also maybe the closest a non Chun or Yun will ever come to winning an evo.
agreed. Tbh its really a shame that Daigo just up and left =(
u dont understand. he has been defeated a couple times but wut i meant was that in the tourny's he was never put in the loser brackets that means he either won the title or second place.
You're ignorant if you refuse to acknowledge tiers. It's impossible to fully balance ANY game - characters will have edges, no matter how slight. Tiers represent who would win in a match between two characters of extremely high skill that would be able to utilize technical nuances and what not of the engine. They're not magical things or cop-outs; they're cold mathematics. They are fact by virtue of being essentially an amalgam of statistics in an 'at-a-glance' package.
LOL at the white guy in the background saying "HEY"
no, kicks are not consider part of kens game. you can link as muchas as ken with gouki, sean and ryu.
how does diago do crouching middle kick into light shoryu soo easily plz respond i need to know
At the end he says game three but isn't that the fourth that Daigo had won? Maybe I don't understand the scoring..
K.O. got K.O.ed, that was just an uneven pair-up match on Yun's part...
no no daisan vs justin... that shit was epic.
He took 3rd at Season's Beatings. That's pretty damn good for being out of practice.
i could tell daigo was gettin tired, it happens, KO adapted and dominated once he patterned out, theres only but so many ways to suprise your opponent with ken.
6:22=Taunting at its finest
Um Yun and Yang's top tier play styles are pretty different. Yang doesn't "juggle" and neither does Makoto. But you missed my point. Yes I notice the godly/great difference you made, but OVERALL KO is a GODLY player, Daigo is a GODLY Ken. And no, KO isn't just "great" with Yun and Yang. His Yun is the best with Nitto second. And his Yang good as well.
@frenzii3s that is just one tournament man. in most of the others tournaments dagio has enter in, he has place 1st or 2nd in 3rd strike, but i do agree if he goes into a tournament now for 3rd strike he would most likely not do as well because the players are much stronger now. but that doesn't mean he can't win. also with 3rd strike being less popular now there would really be no point in him working so hard at a game that nobody plays as much anymore not to say there are no loyalist around.
What are you talking about? KO won both EVO2K3 and 2K4 against Daigo.
Because I saw that Daigo guy parry Chun Li's special I practice and I finally parried the whole thing.
You wrong thepageofcups, ken is a top tier character, he are a very polyvalent character unlike ryu. He get very good normal move, a very good projectile (EX hadouken) and unlike ryu, he get nice cross up (the air MK), that's why he are top tier.
I think is 3 best char is:
1:yun
2:chun-li
3:ken
I think K.O. definitely has the potential to outclass Daigo with his third strike playing skills, it's just that with Daigo's skills, I just don't see how he could lose to anyone.
BEST SKILL EVER FROM UNBELIEVABLE PLAYERS!!!! i doubt to see any other skills like this in my life! they are fast like hell, unhuman
YEAH THAT's IT ... UNHUMAN
BECAUSE THEY AREN'T. Although they do so much damage, their priority over other chars is not as much as Ken, Yun, Chun. Ken has A LOT of options. Ryu is too slow to be top tier, Akuma isn't because of him taking so much damage, Hugo doesn't because of his dash speed and the fact that most of his moves require close range that can easily be poked out of.
Yeah, K.O. had already won the match, so he was just playing to the crowd with that one. I thought it was hilarious.
I could be wrong, but Yun's super seems a bit unbalanced. If a skilled person uses him, he can always do damage with his super, but other characters can miss or be stopped. Even if KO won, I still think Daigo is more skilled.
Low kicks are part of Ken's game. Ever consider that?
can someone tell me who is the top dudley player and just becuase im a fan i love this game but was kinda piss that they did not but sagat my fav charcter in here.
THANKS BRO
No, Jankenpop is right. The top is Yun, Chun, and Mak. You can argue it all you want, but Japanese tourneys prove it. On top of that, top Japanese players AGREE that Makoto is better than Ken. Ken is now thought to be comparable to Dudley -- they're both low A-tier.
which street fighter is this?
true, but at the time and if he was still at this level, i dont think he wouldnt lose very often. BTW, K.O has the best yun still
wooooow daigo got angry during the end matches lol.
if i spent the amount of time playing 3s working out, i would be the worlds strongest man.
Diago's videos have a disproportionate amount of videos in comparison with every other player of 3rd Strike, which is in large part due to the full parry. While Ken has always been good, many people DID start playing 3rd Strike because of Daigo. In my opinion Deshiken is a better Ken and even flashier than Dagio; but he never gets anywhere near the view counts.
actually man, you were wrong in the first place for saying ken isn't a top tier character. go to any reputable fighting game community and you will see ken, chun-li, and yun in the top tier list, always.
7:24 absolutely ridiculous that super with that tiny of a meter should be able to do that much damage.
As much as I am a fan of Daigo and say he's the best Ken player, and among the top tier players in Japan, he is nowhere near the skill level of KO. KO has enough confidence in himself to play with 3 different characters in ranbats and SBOs (Yun, Makoto and Yang). He is able to do more than well with them. He, Boss and Kuroda are apparently on levels higher than EVERYONE else in Japan.
i was rooting for yun the entire time
hes my favorite character
4:54 Amazing..
yeah my bad. jab punch and jab kick is grab lol!
youre right.
"buffering" is the act of after say a low forward you BUFFER as in make the motion of the super, if you verify the hit, then since you buffered it, all you need to do is input the buttons. And a super by itself takes more than say a low forward shoryu super? Or Dudley's overhead x super? Okay.
13 Tekken fighters got "Daigo'd" and "Ey'd" 50 times.
Ya you mean Daigo beat all of them!! =XD Thanks for supporting me haha! Gosh dude, it's like your saying that you're better than him with your tone of voice, it's your matter of perspective saying that Daigo isn't good anymore at 3S. I think Daigo sucking at 3S is like the analogy of Bill Gates becoming poor lol. That's hilarious LOL. No disrespect though.
I mean come on, take a look at this video for example: Daigo is competing with the world's best Third Strike player and putting up a fight.