@@tarisco614 I was there too. I think people knew it was possible but 3rd strike wasn’t really popular in America when it was release in 1999. It wasn’t until 2002-2003 than it received a resurgence. This was the first time many people saw the full super parried + the jump parry at the end. Of course the tournament setting and pixel of life left made it more hype.
Here too late for the golden age of fighting games. Here too early for the reforming of fighting games. Here just in time for Skullgirls to have good balance.
My first "fighting" game was smash 4, when i learned that these kind of games were called "fighting" i searched for others and played shadow fight 2 and then street fighter 2. Not long after that i learned what evo moment 37 was and never played smash again.
***** I agree. When I was a kid i was playing street fighter 2, alpha etc. and king of fighters against the computer and in my head i believed i was one of the best ever lol . Because of guys like Valle and Daigo i realized how inferiour i was to so many players and by accepting that i think i became better myself.
Such a happy supportive crowd, amazing rounds, great parrying, greatest fighting game moment in the history of all time and to top it all off, it was almost ten years ago......
Too many amazing parts. First of all in order to parry Chun's super you have to tap forward even before the flash of her animation starts. You can see Daigo slightly backing up and then tapping forward trying to stay in range to parry so that he'll get the timing. You'll see Ken slightly move forward before the flash of Chun's super goes off, so that was an amazing read to tap forward after Justin whiffed a jab. Parrying the ground part of the super was amazing enough since everything was so loud that Daigo had to parry off of muscle memory and by looking at the screen and not by hearing the hits. Jumping in the air to parry the last hit was a "wtf?? why would he do that?" moment. People thought Daigo was styling, but then Daigo knowing on the fly that the combo he was going to perform on the way down after the parry would kill Chun was just icing on the cake. It was the perfect situation where the crowd, Justin, and Daigo knew what was coming, Justin challenged it, and Daigo over delivered on the hype.
November 2018 almost 2019 and i looked up this classic diago vs wong rounds man still hella crazy that this happened. In my family 3rd strike is a house hold item always was always will. Much love haha.
This is such a chill atmosphere compared to today's super-serious E-sports EVO. You could tell that both players were not only having fun, but they were totally playing for the crowd.
It has been about three years since I first watched this vid and I'm still watching it almost every day, along with my morning breakfast. I will NEVER get tired of watching this.
Years later and this is _still_ the most amazing _SFIII: 3rd Strike_ moment I've ever seen. Tournament matches are a little dull due to the professional level and lack of mistakes, but that chain-Parrying was just pure awesome.
Amazing!! Off just one pixel.From time index 2:40-2:50,he proves he really knows the game and the characters to a science,and really good timing.I watched this video 3 times already.I would have loved to watch that match up close.And with all those people watching,really intense.It's difficult to stay on top, in anything.One sportsperson who did was Vasily Alexeev-until his very last appearance in the 1980 Moscow Games.Watching these videos restored my passion for Street Fighter again.
11 or 10 years ago, my older cousin showed this to me and gave me goosebumps. Years later it still gives me the same feelings, excitement and tension! What a play! What a comeback! What a crowd!! Insaaane!!
PurpleToaster He simply couldn't due to the air kick after midair parry. The purpose of that "unecessary" ultra risked last move was to open a window long enough to initiate the super combo without risk of counter/block/parry.
Even almost a decade later this is still a legendary moment. It was so legendary that when they rereleased this game on the consoles they added a mission mode. In that mission mode there's a challenge for Chun Li and for Ken both of which are based on recreating this moment. Fantastic.
Chun-Li's Super Art 2 is 17 hits (8+8+1). Daigo knew to parry 7 times instead of 8, because of Ken's parry push-back. This means that he either must've done it before EVO Moment 37 or is an absolute master of his spacing. That makes it even more impressive.
I'm not a fighting game player at all, but a friend of mine introduced me to Core A, which led me to searching this. All of my time in competitive gaming in other genres helped me to understand exactly why it it was possible for Daigo to pull this off. And to preface; Daigo is absolutely insane for being able to do this, and I know I'd certainly never be able to do what he did. In fact, what I have to say is a testament to his skill.... This legendary play was more of Justin's misplay than anything else. Justin got overconfident cause Daigo was 1 hit and wanted to close the set big, but it gave Daigo a HUGE opening which he was able to see, process, and capitalize on with those parries and subsequent counter combo into his special. Nothing short of a demonstration of expertise and mechanical mastery. But this would never have been possible if Justin kept his mental where it should've been and respected his opponent. All that needed to happen here was Justin playing defensively until he had that one opening to finish Daigo with a poke. It would've been the most perfect and highest degree of BM, and would've prevented him from being the guy who made Daigo famous. Almost everyone would've chalked it up to a loss, and if they didn't, would've choked. Daigo didn't. What an absolute mad lad.
Nope, being arcad doesn't mean it's better. SF4 allows more things than this ( outdated, sorry ) one. "But video games were better 10 years ago ! D': " Yeah we know, now shut up.
Except that the SFIV series plays more like SF2 than Alpha or III. Which is a serious down grade. Alot of people where expecting SFIV to take off where 3rd strike left off. (Faster paced gameplay, multiple ways to not lose momentum during rushdown which also doubles as a good defense mechanic, etc) Third strike felt rewarding to win, while in SFIV it doesn't feel as good. Don't get me wrong though, I like SFIV alot, just not as much as 3rd strike.
Anyone noticed how pissed Daigo was? He started throwing in a million taunts midfight and that 5 forward dash in a row into a grab at 3:47 totally disrespecting Justin's defensive style. Not to mention the times he just decided to stand still and do absolutely nothing to watch Justin play footsies with himself.
taunts in sf3 gives you some buffs, like more attack or more defense, so you wanna taunt as much as posible, the dashes are for keeping chun in the cornes, and the standing still mabybe it is simply mindgames and trying to read and predickt justin next move
I love the comments from genuine Street Fighter fans. I have been playing since the Street Fighter 2 days (before championship edition) and have loved everything Street Fighter since. I can assure you though I love SF I can say I haven't a 100th the skill of these too. Still I, like others have expressed, got goosebumps and a huge grin when he parried and jump parried! Talk about incredible! Only SF fans can understand the greatness to that match.
Have you ever tried to block that attack in Street Fighter? It's incredibly hard to block every single kick. Daigo not only blocked the move perfectly, he managed to finish off Wong with about one health point in 3 seconds. That, by SF standards, is effing amazing.
basically if you do a normal block by holding down backwards you would still take damage which in this case he would have been KO'd by blocking those attacks. However in Street Fighter 3 you can parry which means you have to tap once (not holding) in the particular direction and you will not take any damage from it. So he basically tapped in perfect timing to block very fast attacks and finished it off with a ultra immediately after the last attack, which is EXTREMELY difficult to pull off.
hidden gouki BUT. He was on the biggest sf3 tourney stage at the time, fighting against someone who was using a character with a clear advantage and had massive pressure placed onto him. More impressive under these circumstances
People like to lie a lot , even in the books they mention that nobody actually knew they could party the way daigo did. People could parry a skill but not a complete special attack and certainly not a crazy punish nobody ever saw.
presumably u say ignorant shit to get attention. that or you have no clue about the context of the event. either way, the fact that you aren't impressed says way more about you than Daigo.
This is why I love being a gamer. It brings people together for some of the greatest moments ever. Just listening to the crowd scream and cheer made me proud to be a gamer. Also, parry'ed like a fucking boss.
This will be remembered by everyone for a long time. anyone you speak to seems to know of this incident. name another huge game moment everyone in the community can recall?
I remember this video from a long long time ago. I can't believe ppl are still commenting on this. But, I do believe this is one of the very best matches I have seen. I love bot Daigo and Justin Wong.
Full respect for Capcom SFIII 3rd Strike and Daigo! The parry system was the most creative one for one on one game! It really gives lives and characteristics for each player!
I guarantee that this moment in gaming will transcend time. There aren't many moments like this.
the records says that thousands of people after watching this video started playing fighting games also alpha 3 was a daying game at USA
Arturo Gonzales
Great men doing great things will inspire lesser men to do great things.
Zero 3 is better.
God himself felt its impact
not a chance
I saw this live, my minds was blow. 11 years later and my minds is still blown.
You were there? So had no one seen that done before? Or just the fact that he used it in competition for the win was super hype?
Tony614 Yes i was there, i had seen someone do this in practice mode. But doing it live against a world-class player. INSANE!
@@tarisco614 I was there too. I think people knew it was possible but 3rd strike wasn’t really popular in America when it was release in 1999. It wasn’t until 2002-2003 than it received a resurgence.
This was the first time many people saw the full super parried + the jump parry at the end. Of course the tournament setting and pixel of life left made it more hype.
As soon as Justin got 1 bar back, Daigo stopped attacking. He kept a very specific distance between Ken and Chun-Li. That wasn't luck.
後來有看到採訪梅原的視頻,他打電動非常的冷靜,就算局勢對他非常不利,梅原說他玩快打旋風自己只要能預判對手下一步行動,他就贏定了….我完全相信他說的…梅原大吾,是一個了不起的電競選手。
Watched this in 2015
Converted me to fighting games
Welcome... but sorry you're so late to the party, bro.
yeah I mean theres no point in living now because its too late.. sry bros. it has already happened for too long.
Here too late for the golden age of fighting games. Here too early for the reforming of fighting games. Here just in time for Skullgirls to have good balance.
HiroProtagonest Unless he plays SFV, then I just feel bad for him LUL
My first "fighting" game was smash 4, when i learned that these kind of games were called "fighting" i searched for others and played shadow fight 2 and then street fighter 2. Not long after that i learned what evo moment 37 was and never played smash again.
This crowd is so great, they just wanted to see a great fight. And thats what they got.
2:36 and at thats time, that moment , that second , all these people in the evo including us watching witnessed the birth ...of a legend.
***** I agree. When I was a kid i was playing street fighter 2, alpha etc. and king of fighters against the computer and in my head i believed i was one of the best ever lol . Because of guys like Valle and Daigo i realized how inferiour i was to so many players and by accepting that i think i became better myself.
***** :D :D
the moment that would spark others to contribute.
Gotta be one of the greatest comebacks in videogame history
The greatest
Chris Redfield cant think of any bigger
+King Diamond not the best, Poongko had the greatest comeback in KOFXI taking down an entire team with only a fragment of health lol
+JinMasta nice I'd love to see that. do you have the link
JinMasta nah that was fail from the other team.... not that amazing
Such a happy supportive crowd, amazing rounds, great parrying, greatest fighting game moment in the history of all time and to top it all off, it was almost ten years ago......
This is from 2004 bro
+Squadallama hence why he said "almost"
+Jeffrey Santiago ... "almost" doesn't work like that...
I know I'm late but 9 is pretty close to 10 all things considered.
***** seriously wtf
Too many amazing parts. First of all in order to parry Chun's super you have to tap forward even before the flash of her animation starts. You can see Daigo slightly backing up and then tapping forward trying to stay in range to parry so that he'll get the timing. You'll see Ken slightly move forward before the flash of Chun's super goes off, so that was an amazing read to tap forward after Justin whiffed a jab. Parrying the ground part of the super was amazing enough since everything was so loud that Daigo had to parry off of muscle memory and by looking at the screen and not by hearing the hits. Jumping in the air to parry the last hit was a "wtf?? why would he do that?" moment. People thought Daigo was styling, but then Daigo knowing on the fly that the combo he was going to perform on the way down after the parry would kill Chun was just icing on the cake. It was the perfect situation where the crowd, Justin, and Daigo knew what was coming, Justin challenged it, and Daigo over delivered on the hype.
Video uploaded in 2006. Still gets comments. This is why 3rd Strike is one of the best fighting games ever made.
Go to GGPO on pc.There're a lot of good 3rd strike player.You might even find a lot of games that are better than 3rd strike.
3rd strikes a shit, still get comments cuz has a legend in it
Not one of the best fighting game it is the best fighting game. We didn't deserve 3rd Strike Capcom gave us a gem
Hi I’m from the year 2023
No matter how many times I watch this, never gets old lol
The moment a SF3 tournament turned into the last scene from The Matrix...
XD
Mostly Accurate Reviews he is the one
I will never forget this . I was 17 at cal poly Pomona watching this go down!! The crowd was electric!
10 Years.
And even old, ARE SO FUCKING EPIC.
Beautiful. JUST FUCKING BEAUTIFUL :P
I'm not a gamer but damn that was awesome!!! It's beautiful to watch a person who has mastered their craft. I tip my hat to you Daigo.
November 2018 almost 2019 and i looked up this classic diago vs wong rounds man still hella crazy that this happened. In my family 3rd strike is a house hold item always was always will. Much love haha.
The moment that brought peace to the gaming community..
This video finally hit a million views, wow
Remember watching this when I was like 14. Shit still makes my jaw drop years later.
17 years ago? how far in time does youtube go, god damn😂
This was the best match ive ever seen in street fighter... That parry was amazing
This is such a chill atmosphere compared to today's super-serious E-sports EVO. You could tell that both players were not only having fun, but they were totally playing for the crowd.
Every moment was amazing!
This is an awesome match
Agree
I like this video more than all of the others. No commentary or angled view, right in the middle of the crowd, pure awesomeness.
this video still gives me goose bumps everytime i watch it... well donE! beast!
That will FOREVER be the most epic moment in street fighter history!!! Fucking beautiful :) *tears of joy*
Daigo parrying Chun Li's Super was just epic! Amazing thinking by Daigo. Goes to show why he is the best.
I've never seen the event from this angle before, the silhouettes of the audience rising over the screen is incredible.
that is a fucking beautiful moment
It has been about three years since I first watched this vid and I'm still watching it almost every day, along with my morning breakfast. I will NEVER get tired of watching this.
Dat dodge though 4:50
Years later and this is _still_ the most amazing _SFIII: 3rd Strike_ moment I've ever seen. Tournament matches are a little dull due to the professional level and lack of mistakes, but that chain-Parrying was just pure awesome.
I don't know why but I tear up every time I watch this... like.. I really do..
Amazing!! Off just one pixel.From time index 2:40-2:50,he proves he really knows the game and the characters to a science,and really good timing.I watched this video 3 times already.I would have loved to watch that match up close.And with all those people watching,really intense.It's difficult to stay on top, in anything.One sportsperson who did was Vasily Alexeev-until his very last appearance in the 1980 Moscow Games.Watching these videos restored my passion for Street Fighter again.
In my opinion this is the best moment of any EVO.
11 or 10 years ago, my older cousin showed this to me and gave me goosebumps. Years later it still gives me the same feelings, excitement and tension! What a play! What a comeback! What a crowd!! Insaaane!!
Imagine if Justin parried all of his hits right back.
That would freak me out so much I'd believe in aliens!!!!!
PurpleToaster The universe would implode due to sheer awesomeness.
PurpleToaster He couldn't. It was a punish.
Yeah i dont know what i was thinking.
PurpleToaster He simply couldn't due to the air kick after midair parry. The purpose of that "unecessary" ultra risked last move was to open a window long enough to initiate the super combo without risk of counter/block/parry.
Wow. Just wow. Years later, I find myself coming back to this video whenever I need a quick pick-me-up. The whole fight is just mesmerizing.
One word, Epic!
Even almost a decade later this is still a legendary moment. It was so legendary that when they rereleased this game on the consoles they added a mission mode.
In that mission mode there's a challenge for Chun Li and for Ken both of which are based on recreating this moment. Fantastic.
Tell me about it!
Its they guy at 3:03 "What, WHAT!!!!" I love and miss all this underground coin on the arcade machine for next bout fights. ;( miss it sniff.
I've been watching this video for about 6 years now.......and I still get excited when I see it.
Chun-Li's Super Art 2 is 17 hits (8+8+1). Daigo knew to parry 7 times instead of 8, because of Ken's parry push-back. This means that he either must've done it before EVO Moment 37 or is an absolute master of his spacing. That makes it even more impressive.
In SF3 its 15 hits, but in Street fighter 5 its 17
He literally said himself he had done it before, he in fact had done it earlier at EVO 04.
@@gumlus1257 is there a video of this?
How can this video have 77 dislikes? If you're a true fan of SF you can't do anything but admire
1 It was perfect
2 It was awesome
3 It was supposed to be impossible.
4 The crowd appreciation was amazing
C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!! 2:42
It was really impessive!
I'm not a fighting game player at all, but a friend of mine introduced me to Core A, which led me to searching this. All of my time in competitive gaming in other genres helped me to understand exactly why it it was possible for Daigo to pull this off. And to preface; Daigo is absolutely insane for being able to do this, and I know I'd certainly never be able to do what he did. In fact, what I have to say is a testament to his skill.... This legendary play was more of Justin's misplay than anything else. Justin got overconfident cause Daigo was 1 hit and wanted to close the set big, but it gave Daigo a HUGE opening which he was able to see, process, and capitalize on with those parries and subsequent counter combo into his special. Nothing short of a demonstration of expertise and mechanical mastery. But this would never have been possible if Justin kept his mental where it should've been and respected his opponent. All that needed to happen here was Justin playing defensively until he had that one opening to finish Daigo with a poke. It would've been the most perfect and highest degree of BM, and would've prevented him from being the guy who made Daigo famous. Almost everyone would've chalked it up to a loss, and if they didn't, would've choked. Daigo didn't. What an absolute mad lad.
still the best come back ever!!!
This brought me to tears. I saw Daigo's soul through his work of art. You are an inspiration!
who watch this on 2016
me too, I play King Of Fighter in this moment HEHEHEHE
NessThor Arraez haha
2017
2017
2018
The parry's nice and all, but can we take a sec to appreciate that Daigo whiff punished low forward with raw super? 4:05
it's so overshadowed by the parry sequence that it's a sidenote but sweet jesus yes! incredible
This game is so much better then sf4, ssf4, ssf4 3D, ssf4ae and ssf4ae 2012 all put together.
Okay, now take your nostalgia goggles off.
ademkin Except that it is better tho.
Nope, being arcad doesn't mean it's better. SF4 allows more things than this ( outdated, sorry ) one.
"But video games were better 10 years ago ! D': " Yeah we know, now shut up.
Except that the SFIV series plays more like SF2 than Alpha or III. Which is a serious down grade. Alot of people where expecting SFIV to take off where 3rd strike left off. (Faster paced gameplay, multiple ways to not lose momentum during rushdown which also doubles as a good defense mechanic, etc) Third strike felt rewarding to win, while in SFIV it doesn't feel as good. Don't get me wrong though, I like SFIV alot, just not as much as 3rd strike.
ademkin 3rd Strike is the best SF, okay?
It's not hipster when it's damn true.
SF4 can't even come close.
Best match ever!!! ive watched soooo many times and still cant believe it!
@2:39-- THE moment.
Lol that was da best moment ever!
Still watchin' in 2017. When I saw this video first time, too shocked and excited.
78 dislikes from Justin's followers.
This video got me into fighting games 3 years ago.... still gets me hype to this day.
Anyone noticed how pissed Daigo was? He started throwing in a million taunts midfight and that 5 forward dash in a row into a grab at 3:47 totally disrespecting Justin's defensive style. Not to mention the times he just decided to stand still and do absolutely nothing to watch Justin play footsies with himself.
taunts in sf3 gives you some buffs, like more attack or more defense, so you wanna taunt as much as posible, the dashes are for keeping chun in the cornes, and the standing still mabybe it is simply mindgames and trying to read and predickt justin next move
besides grabbing is the safest way to beat blocking opponents
Taunting with Ken increases his Damage for his next Combo.
standing there was definitively to mock justin's keep away style.
whoever recorded this. We are grateful!
They should add the parry system in street fighter 5
Ryu has it, though it's only him. Well, Charlie has one too, but only limited for projectiles onlu
+Raver1601 I think I read somewhere Alex would have one as well.
They add it in letter version and it's awful...
My first time seeing the full fight. Huge nail biter.
Daigo did that parry just to watch Chun-Li underwear
Hell yeah it did this was a time when it was real for the FGC thanks for putting up this video
I was there screaming my head off. After that insane comeback, I threw my soda at justin wong's head.
I was there too. I back flipped in front of the TV and sniffed daigo's hair.
@@HarryTheTurtle lol
That parrying is one of the most immense things I have ever seen in gaming and I've been doing it my whole life.
I need to download this again in case Jewtube will delete this… best moment ever.
Just the feeling you get when you see him start the full-parry, and then everyone stands up, and then he kills him. A top moment in gaming.
still so epic
I love the comments from genuine Street Fighter fans. I have been playing since the Street Fighter 2 days (before championship edition) and have loved everything Street Fighter since. I can assure you though I love SF I can say I haven't a 100th the skill of these too. Still I, like others have expressed, got goosebumps and a huge grin when he parried and jump parried! Talk about incredible! Only SF fans can understand the greatness to that match.
Só eu que ouvi um brasileiro falando "Tá vendo q daora?" no 4:46 😂😂😂
Watching this in 2007 gave me goose bumps. 2011 i still get goose bumps.
god damn lost my shit at this 2:37
This video NEVER gets old. Good lord.
Can someone explain why this is soooo amazing? I don't get it.
kotaku.com/street-fighters-greatest-fight-visualized-472376273
Have you ever tried to block that attack in Street Fighter? It's incredibly hard to block every single kick. Daigo not only blocked the move perfectly, he managed to finish off Wong with about one health point in 3 seconds. That, by SF standards, is effing amazing.
basically if you do a normal block by holding down backwards you would still take damage which in this case he would have been KO'd by blocking those attacks. However in Street Fighter 3 you can parry which means you have to tap once (not holding) in the particular direction and you will not take any damage from it. So he basically tapped in perfect timing to block very fast attacks and finished it off with a ultra immediately after the last attack, which is EXTREMELY difficult to pull off.
What Daigo's do is parrying not blocking.
It's just that I never played that version of SF, so I didn't know what parrying really was. My bad :P
The most entertaining 3rd Strike match to ever be played.
in Japan they were doing this shit all the time in tournaments hell they were even red parrying chuns super art with no health
hidden gouki BUT. He was on the biggest sf3 tourney stage at the time, fighting against someone who was using a character with a clear advantage and had massive pressure placed onto him. More impressive under these circumstances
Why the fuck would you red parry if you had no health?
People like to lie a lot , even in the books they mention that nobody actually knew they could party the way daigo did. People could parry a skill but not a complete special attack and certainly not a crazy punish nobody ever saw.
It is pretty amazing lookin at what fighting games and games in general are like now compared to then lol
People think this is the best parry ever? Dude, average 3strike players do this every day of the week!
its not that they do this all the time it was the timing of the parry that made it special
Jesse Soko and also its the pressure you have in such a moment for you to do such a parry is really what makes it amazing
presumably u say ignorant shit to get attention. that or you have no clue about the context of the event. either way, the fact that you aren't impressed says way more about you than Daigo.
You really dont know what you talking about
You have shamed yourself publically my friend
Far as I’m concerned, it’s what Daigo does at 90/ 1:33 that sets the whole tone, cuz you know what he’s calling Justin right there. Rest is history.
To keep his composure with the crowd going nuts behind him, was, well, BEASTLY!
LEGENDARY!!!!!
Still get excited watching this after 6 years
This is why I love being a gamer. It brings people together for some of the greatest moments ever. Just listening to the crowd scream and cheer made me proud to be a gamer. Also, parry'ed like a fucking boss.
i am glad to say that i was there!!! EVO 2004!!!
This will be remembered by everyone for a long time. anyone you speak to seems to know of this incident. name another huge game moment everyone in the community can recall?
That will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever get old. Ever.
No matter how many times I watch this video,I still get goosebumps when Daigo parries like that.
I remember this video from a long long time ago. I can't believe ppl are still commenting on this. But, I do believe this is one of the very best matches I have seen. I love bot Daigo and Justin Wong.
i have seen this clip a million times and im still amazed
Full respect for Capcom SFIII 3rd Strike and Daigo!
The parry system was the most creative one for one on one game!
It really gives lives and characteristics for each player!
I just cant stop watching this. This has to be one of the greatest moments in video gaming history.
years later and this is still awesome, this gets love everyday on ps3, now if only they brought sfa 3 ;)
The Best Moments of Daigo Umehara as Ken Masters vs Justin Wong's Chun Li. This is Hard Wood Classics
How does this NEVER get old
Most beautiful match of SF ever played
YOU KNOW HOW MUCH SKILL IT TAKES TO DO A *PERFECT* PARRY LIKE THAT!?!?!
That was amazing footage. People who didn't understand why, is because they we're not born yet or did not play Street Fighter when they were young.
I started playing SF only a year ago and this already amazed me without needing an explanation from someone else
Literally the best Street Fighter comeback of all time.
I wish Daigo could be my teacher.
Omfg.
Legendary moment.
This video is still so amazing i get goosebumbs everytime i see him come back with that mazing parry
Every time i see this video i get goosebumps. To parry the whole combo into your own winning combo is amazing.
Incredible parrying! Oh my god I had to rewind again and again...