I got the walmart knockoffs. Literally look and function the same. I think they’re called, “Rxfit”. They were having a deal online. $99 each. Couldn’t pass it. They work fine so far. I bought the actual bowflex stand for them. But the screws did not fit. So I had to use longer screws that I had around the house. Pretty happy tho. Although they are a little big. I went to Dick’s sporting goods today, and saw that they have stocked a few models of adjustable dumbbells. The Bowflex ones, the power blocks, and the Ethos 5-50lb ones. From all of them, the power blocks and the Ethos felt the best. So I would recommend those for people personally. They were also pretty much the same price as mine. $350. No stand for the blocks tho. But that could be solved with a chair. Can’t complain tho. I’ve seen people overcharging on ebay and facebook marketplace tho. Selling the rxfit knockoffs for more. At that point the Bowflex ones are better.
At $100 per dumbbell that's a good deal. Nice score, man. Chances are good that Wal-mart sources its copies from more than one manufacturer so they may vary slightly in different regions, but they'll all be about the same. Bowflex just raised its price on the 552 relatively recently (now $429/pr) after running a couple sales earlier this year. 1090 pricing ($799/pr) hasn't increased further, yet. I definitely do like my Powerblocks too. But some people just don't like the blocky shape. My Core dumbbells aren't bad (traditional dumbbell shape) but they max at 50 and aren't expandable. Core is similar in style to Nuobell. I'm not familiar with the Ethos yet, but It looks like it may use a disc mechanism similar to Bowflex, Merax, Ativifit, etc. Thanks for letting us know about the Rxfits.
Well from experience I can tell you that in Colombia they make some of the most amazing knockoffs of anything with all the logos exactly where they need to be and identical to original items, and export them. So it wouldn’t surprised me if what they have in those countries is a mix of Colombian knockoffs will all the logos and also a few originals in the market 😂
Hi Masaki. The short answer is no. As tough as my discs are (ua-cam.com/video/BCOOn1_u7Jc/v-deo.html), they are not indestructible. I created them so that I never had to worry about discs failing from ordinary use the way they had in the past. I was tired of plates falling no matter how well I cared for the dumbbells. Even if my discs manage to survive drops, the weight plate tabs would likely not (ua-cam.com/video/7g99OA4hdFI/v-deo.html), and if the shaft bends even slightly due to the drop it'll wreak havoc on adjusting the weights. SelectTechs are just not designed to be dropped. Bowflex knew it...which is why they warn against drops (and using them to support our weight in a pushup) in their user manual. I could have made the discs out of stronger and more impact resistant materials such as stainless steel, titanium or carbon fiber, but they'd have cost a small fortune by comparison. Aluminum provided me with increased durability at a more reasonable cost. So think of my Disc Fix Kit as better than OEM when it comes to day-to-day use, but not indestructible. I plan to develop my own adjustable dumbbells in the near future. And one of my goals is to create an adjustable that can be thrown and dropped. I have no idea if that's a realistic goal, but I'm going to give it a go anyway. And when I finally start that project I'll let you all know.
Hi Jay, That's a definite possibility, though I just can't give you a timeframe at the moment due to my current obligations. From what little I know about the FitRX, they use a virtually identical disc-based design to select and retain weights in the handles. So there's a better than excellent change that they'll encounter similar durability and safety issues. Interestingly, they moved the locking mechanism outboard toward the ends of the dumbbell shaft, but otherwise locking probably works the same as it does on SelectTechs. And they combined the handle adjustment style of the 560 with the disc design of the 552. If I end up getting one, I'll tear it down and compare it to the SelectTechs.
I may be out growing the 552s soon what would be a good option you think for getting another adjustable up to about 90 or 100 pounds without breaking the bank
Hi Jared, I can't speak from experience about all adjustable dumbbells. My experience to-date is limited to a handful of brands. I know Coop over at GGR has done multiple comparisons during which he talks about the pros and cons of quite a few brands of adjustable dumbbells so that may be a great resource for you. The challenge is the "without breaking the bank" portion of your goal. It's a balance between quality/safety and cost. Although the shape is blocky and I'm not a fan of the "cage" used on some models, or the weight selection method, Powerblock definitely has simplicity and compactness on its side. They manage to fit a lot of weight in a relatively small footprint. There are fewer parts to break, and some models can be expanded well over 100lbs per handle. They aren't without their issues...you can break a weld/joint if you're rough with them (i.e. dropping them repeatedly). But bang for your buck, and the fact that you can usually find them used on Craigslist for a decent price...not a bad starting point for your search. Even if you buy into a 50lb set now, and buy the expansion kits as budget permits. Just keep in mind that the base set needs to be one of the expandable models. Not all PBs can be expanded. I like them enough that I own three pairs in addition to all of my SelectTechs. And I have some planned upgrades coming down the road for my Powerblocks too. In any case, they're worth a look if 90-100+ is your target weight per handle.
Hi Joseph, if you head on over to www.averagejoeinnovations.com you'll find all of the product photos, info, pricing, a link to the order form and my email if you have questions. Thanks for inquiring! Hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend.
Love your video 👍👍 very insightful I have a question on the 5th RX when the weights are off and the black plastic ribs below the red tab that holds the plates on what is your opinion on the durability or longevity of those because I see on the Bowflex one it uses metal I'm getting ready to purchase the fit RX but I'm just a little concerned about the plastic black part that holds the plates also I wonder if it's plastic or if it's polymer like they use on tools which is definitely more heavy duty?????
Hi Da Man, So Fit RX is basically the same concept as Bowflex SelectTech in a different wrapper. It's frame and adjustment method is like the Bowflex 560 and its discs are like the 552 Series 2. All three of them use plastic discs. Likely injection molded. You may be thinking of the Bowflex 1090 which uses a steel-reinforced (and still relatively crappy) plastic disc. I wouldn't really call any of them heavy duty. They definitely should never be dropped or used as pushup handles to support your body weight (as with exercises such as the Devil's Press or Renegade Row). They're just not designed to withstand those forces. My biggest complaint several years ago was that parts failed even if I babied SelectTechs and never dropped them. It's what motivated me to finally design my "fix". I have no definitive answer as to why some people experience SelectTech part failures after weeks or months, yet other people claim to have had zero issues after years of "regular use". It seems a variety of factors play a role in their durability. Although I have no direct experience with FitRX dumbbells, I have zero doubt that they share some of the same weaknesses of the 552 and 560. This is one of those situations where you'd need to give it a try to see how they hold up for you. Hypothetically, they could last for years with no issues. At the end of the day, I lack real-world data to back up my reservations about the FitRX variation of the design. Just keep in mind that your sole option under warranty will likely be to receive a replacement handle. Once the warranty is up, you'll likely need to buy the replacement handle even if you break just one disc. I doubt they sell the parts to repair their dumbbells. You'd have to inquire about that.
Hi, G. Sorry about the delayed reply. I was away on a trip for 5 weeks overseas with limited internet access. I'm back in the States now and playing catch up with filling orders and answering questions. A few years back I designed the upgrades myself and had them machined for my dumbbells. These days I manufacture and sell a variety of upgrades for the SelectTech. You can check them out on my website: www.averagejoeinnovations.com
Do you think that your metal gears will fit the FitRX dumbbells? I would love to buy the gears and replace the plastic OEM on my FitRX. Your gears just looks durable and safer.
Hi lb, I know those discs look incredibly similar to the SelectTech discs, but chances are pretty good that they're not the same. FitRx is somewhat of a blend of the 552 and 560 approaches. I'd love to get my hands on some FitRx discs just to compare them. Man oh man, if they turned out to be identical, that'd be a hoot.
Hiya Alejandro. Your friend is correct. Some of these dumbbells weigh more or less than the advertised 90 lbs (40kg) and 52.5 lbs (24kgs). It could be the result of manufacturing inconsistencies or QA/QC. It could also be the result of a manufacturer purposely making slightly lighter parts to skim a few lbs here and there to save on material costs. ..especially the steel. With so many manufacturers making these things I suspect the cause differs from one to the next. I routinely hear about dumbbells that are a couple pounds off here and there. Minus 8 is quite a lot...nearly 10%. I wonder if both handles were similarly low in weight. Does he recall where he got them? Are they OEM?
Hi Natalie. They *can* fit but they aren't guaranteed to fit. In fact, Bowflex's own parts aren't always consistent enough to automatically fit. The good news is there's a better than 90% chance that they'd fit just fine. This is my opinion, based solely on what I've seen with customers' dumbbells and my own over the past 3 years.
So I ordered a knockoff off of ebay but the base arrived damaged. I got my refund but they told me to keep it as shipping it back would be too expensive. My question is, do you think the bowflex cradle is identical? Because I can just order a bowflex cradle and I'd be set.
Hi Mike, both OEM and knockoff parts aren't the most consistent or high precision. It's a relatively inexpensive dumbbell. So they can vary slightly from one dumbbell to the next. But based on my experience so far over the past few years and a few thousand pairs, about 95% are similar enough that the parts can be used interchangeably with little to no tweaking. That is to say, the base is more likely than not to work ok with your dumbbell. And used/NOS replacement bases can be had on eBay for about $75, and occasionally less. Not sure what Bowflex charges for the base. If you don't mind me asking, what sort of damage? Purely aesthetic, or something more? I've helped a few people figure out how to repair their bases, but it all depends on the type of damage. Feel free to shoot me an email. My info can be found on my website in the video description above.
@@AverageJoeInnovationsLLC thanks for replying and the damage on the base is where the metal clips are that help rotate the dial. They are bent and sunken in. The plastic cracked around the clips on the base too. I own the 552s and wanted to update to the 1090 without paying an arm and a leg. Well now I have a free 1090 knockoff lol. Just need a base for it. I saw some bowflex bases on amazon for $75 like you mention. I'm thinking about pulling the trigger now. I'm still awaiting for the second dumbbell to arrive so I can make sure the one I have is not defective first. Should be here today.
@@MYFAtal13 If you search my channel you'll find a SelectTech Buyer's Guide. Although it is intended for people who are looking at used SelectTechs, some of the same inspections can be performed to make sure that new ones arrived in safe working order. I don't cover every possible issue in the video, but I talk about several important ones. I'd have to see photos of the damage, but typically the type you describe is repairable with some creativity and epoxy. It's a time-money thing and it may be worth it to you to just buy another one. Hope everything works out man. A nearly free 1090...pretty sweet.
@@AverageJoeInnovationsLLC thank you for your insight it has a been a big help. I'll look further into your channel and send an email with those photos as well.
Heya Mack. Yep, they're basically the same thing. Similar range of materials, similar tolerances. Overall build quality depends on the knockoff manufacturer...some do a better job than others. By the way, I didnt like the OEM 1090 grips either. I designed regular knurled stainless grips for my own 1090s. Nowadays you can find them for sale on my site: www.averagejoeinnovations.com
Heya Trevor. The short answer is that they should...more often than not. It's just not guaranteed. A longer answer...this is true of OEM parts too. I just had a couple customers who, before contacting me, had already contacted Bowflex to obtain new handles under warranty. When the handles arrived they discovered the same thing I had learned over the past few years...that even the OEM parts aren't consistent. Their brand new empty OEM handles, sent directly from Bowflex, didn't fit their existing weight plates. It has to do with the design itself and the way in which it is manufactured. Materials, manufacturing methods, acceptable tolerances, wear, tear, damage, etc all play a role in whether parts from dumbbell A will fit dumbbell B without modification. Folks run into this same issue when buying used SelectTech parts on eBay. Most fit ok, but some don't. So your best bet is to find a seller with a return policy in the event that the parts don't fit your specific handles. Or to be prepared to tweak the parts if needed. And if they just fit straight out of the box, awesome. I hope my explanation helped, and I hope you have a great weekend, man.
Heya Kevin. Generally speaking, they're about the same. I own both. Look for a reseller who has decent reviews for knock-off quality, sales and after sales service. Not all knockoffs or resellers are created equal...heck, not all OEM are created equal. Quite a few manufacturers appear to be making these. Someone who follows my videos just sent me a couple photos and a video of his brand new knockoffs that he ordered, and at least one of them had a locking pin issue. The pin wasn't engaging properly to lock the weights into the handle. This was straight out of the box. He's in touch with the reseller and hoping to exchange the handle. If he can't it is still fixable. I also met with a reseller in Boston who had some locking pin issues with his knock-off inventory. They kept catching inside the plastic housing rather than locking. I've not had those issues with any of mine, yet. Knock on wood, right?
I just got my 552s yesterday they're more than enough for me that's a lot of weight the FedEx driver had a hard time getting them up to my steps I'll probably be using these for years I don't need the 1090s this is more than enough and I've been working out for years and I'm getting a little older I can't lift as much as I used to but I tried them out as soon as I got them they're awesome I love them already and the weight is plenty
Hiya CRT. They work on OEM and knockoffs. How well the discs fit depends on your specific dumbbells and not whether they are OEM or knockoffs. Elsewhere on my UA-cam channel you can find videos in which I show some of the manufacturing inconsistencies of the design. If you head on over to www.averagejoeinnovations.com you'll find a bunch of info. It's worth reading through the FAQ section just to set your expectations about the upgrades.
I have fake 1090s and I decided to weigh them. One is 85 and the other is 83 pounds at max. Feel upset about it now that I know. On one the handle is only 8 pounds 8 ounces when it should be 10.
Hi, T. Sorry to hear that, but I appreciate you sharing what you discovered. You're not alone. I know of quite a few people whose dumbbells don't weigh the advertised weight. Even the fine print in Bowflex's SelectTech manual states "Note: Weight increments represent estimated values only. Exact values can vary due to manufacturing variances." So it's not just the fakes, though the fakes tend to be off by more weight.
@@AverageJoeInnovationsLLC Yea, I'm going to weigh each plate individually and try to atleast make them both even with each other. Then I'll mark down their actual values
Hi Anon. Here's a video of me upgrading a 552 Series 2 knockoff: ua-cam.com/video/yQ8OtAXz0Qs/v-deo.html. For more information about my upgrade kits, please send an email to SelectTech.Fix@gmail.com
It seems I am almost incapable of a simple yes or no answer. Hopefully you find some value in this lengthy reply. I happen to own quite a few adjustable dumbbells. Several pairs of Bowflex, several Powerblocks, Core, and shortly I'll own a Snode too. Each one comes with its own advantages and disadvantages...though most of that is entirely subjective. For example, we can talk about durability somewhat objectively, but usability and "feel" is almost entirely subjective. Ideally, it'd be great if you had a place where you could try out the different brands. I understand that this may not be realistic to do where you live. But then you could compare first-hand how weight selection works, the feel of the grips and overall feel of the shape and size of the dumbbells. Some fitness equipment retailers have multiple brands on display. I like my modded BF now much more than I ever liked it as OEM, but of course I am totally biased. And I ended up going well beyond simply fixing the durability issues. At this point I probably have the most costly modified SelectTechs in the world...for better or worse...lol. I jokingly tell people that's why I call myself Average Joe and not Rational Joe. In terms of durability and compactness, I feel Powerblock provides the most bang for the buck at a relatively affordable entry level price point. But some people just don't like the shape or feel when working out with them. Bowflex leans toward a more traditional dumbbell feel with weight increments that you may find more convenient to set. Ultimately, this is how I ended up owning so many different pairs of adjustables. Crazy, I know. One of the main selling points is supposed to be the reduced footprint. I own enough adjustables that I could have fit a couple racks of hex dumbbells in the same space. But I like each of the models for different reasons, even within a single brand. Bowflex *can* be worth the extra money. It all depends on what you value/want/need/expect most from dumbbells.
I got mine recently, why does yours have all metal locking plates, mine are plastic, and so are other reviewers in youtube. NVM: I WATCHED THE WHOLE VID
Hiya, Darryl. There are multiple factories pumping out knockoffs these days, but you're absolutely correct about the branding. If ever you see references online to "white labeling" or "private labeling" it means that you can have your logo slapped on a product so long as you buy a minimum order quantity (MOQ). So, people find these manufacturers, typically through large online marketplaces, and have their names slapped on products that they had no hand in designing/developing. Fun fact: the nutrition/performance supplement industry is also built on this model. All of those coaches, fitness gurus, body builders, athletes and social media influencers making claims about their "specially formulated" drinks and powders are, more often than not, selling white labeled products that they did not design or develop. They simply hopped online, picked from one of many manufacturers, selected either an existing recipe or ingredients from a list of available ingredients, selected packaging from a variety of options, and had their graphics slapped on the bottles and boxes. There is usually little-to-no difference in the products. It's all about the marketing.
I got the walmart knockoffs. Literally look and function the same. I think they’re called, “Rxfit”. They were having a deal online. $99 each. Couldn’t pass it. They work fine so far. I bought the actual bowflex stand for them. But the screws did not fit. So I had to use longer screws that I had around the house. Pretty happy tho. Although they are a little big. I went to Dick’s sporting goods today, and saw that they have stocked a few models of adjustable dumbbells. The Bowflex ones, the power blocks, and the Ethos 5-50lb ones. From all of them, the power blocks and the Ethos felt the best. So I would recommend those for people personally. They were also pretty much the same price as mine. $350. No stand for the blocks tho. But that could be solved with a chair. Can’t complain tho. I’ve seen people overcharging on ebay and facebook marketplace tho. Selling the rxfit knockoffs for more. At that point the Bowflex ones are better.
At $100 per dumbbell that's a good deal. Nice score, man. Chances are good that Wal-mart sources its copies from more than one manufacturer so they may vary slightly in different regions, but they'll all be about the same. Bowflex just raised its price on the 552 relatively recently (now $429/pr) after running a couple sales earlier this year. 1090 pricing ($799/pr) hasn't increased further, yet.
I definitely do like my Powerblocks too. But some people just don't like the blocky shape. My Core dumbbells aren't bad (traditional dumbbell shape) but they max at 50 and aren't expandable. Core is similar in style to Nuobell. I'm not familiar with the Ethos yet, but It looks like it may use a disc mechanism similar to Bowflex, Merax, Ativifit, etc. Thanks for letting us know about the Rxfits.
Good price. I just bought my first one on clearance at Wall Mart for $107. It was taged save $107 ,and it first came up as $214 at checkout.
I just got a knock off set from aldis for $60 each. Can't beat that deal
Sweet score! Aldi's supermarket? How crazy is that?
Well from experience I can tell you that in Colombia they make some of the most amazing knockoffs of anything with all the logos exactly where they need to be and identical to original items, and export them. So it wouldn’t surprised me if what they have in those countries is a mix of Colombian knockoffs will all the logos and also a few originals in the market 😂
with your mods could I just drop the weights with no issues?
Hi Masaki. The short answer is no. As tough as my discs are (ua-cam.com/video/BCOOn1_u7Jc/v-deo.html), they are not indestructible. I created them so that I never had to worry about discs failing from ordinary use the way they had in the past. I was tired of plates falling no matter how well I cared for the dumbbells.
Even if my discs manage to survive drops, the weight plate tabs would likely not (ua-cam.com/video/7g99OA4hdFI/v-deo.html), and if the shaft bends even slightly due to the drop it'll wreak havoc on adjusting the weights. SelectTechs are just not designed to be dropped. Bowflex knew it...which is why they warn against drops (and using them to support our weight in a pushup) in their user manual.
I could have made the discs out of stronger and more impact resistant materials such as stainless steel, titanium or carbon fiber, but they'd have cost a small fortune by comparison. Aluminum provided me with increased durability at a more reasonable cost. So think of my Disc Fix Kit as better than OEM when it comes to day-to-day use, but not indestructible.
I plan to develop my own adjustable dumbbells in the near future. And one of my goals is to create an adjustable that can be thrown and dropped. I have no idea if that's a realistic goal, but I'm going to give it a go anyway. And when I finally start that project I'll let you all know.
can you review the FitRX from walmart?
Hi Jay, That's a definite possibility, though I just can't give you a timeframe at the moment due to my current obligations. From what little I know about the FitRX, they use a virtually identical disc-based design to select and retain weights in the handles. So there's a better than excellent change that they'll encounter similar durability and safety issues. Interestingly, they moved the locking mechanism outboard toward the ends of the dumbbell shaft, but otherwise locking probably works the same as it does on SelectTechs. And they combined the handle adjustment style of the 560 with the disc design of the 552. If I end up getting one, I'll tear it down and compare it to the SelectTechs.
@@AverageJoeInnovationsLLC cool they are on sale now at walmart for $99.99
I may be out growing the 552s soon what would be a good option you think for getting another adjustable up to about 90 or 100 pounds without breaking the bank
Hi Jared, I can't speak from experience about all adjustable dumbbells. My experience to-date is limited to a handful of brands. I know Coop over at GGR has done multiple comparisons during which he talks about the pros and cons of quite a few brands of adjustable dumbbells so that may be a great resource for you.
The challenge is the "without breaking the bank" portion of your goal. It's a balance between quality/safety and cost.
Although the shape is blocky and I'm not a fan of the "cage" used on some models, or the weight selection method, Powerblock definitely has simplicity and compactness on its side. They manage to fit a lot of weight in a relatively small footprint. There are fewer parts to break, and some models can be expanded well over 100lbs per handle. They aren't without their issues...you can break a weld/joint if you're rough with them (i.e. dropping them repeatedly).
But bang for your buck, and the fact that you can usually find them used on Craigslist for a decent price...not a bad starting point for your search. Even if you buy into a 50lb set now, and buy the expansion kits as budget permits. Just keep in mind that the base set needs to be one of the expandable models. Not all PBs can be expanded.
I like them enough that I own three pairs in addition to all of my SelectTechs. And I have some planned upgrades coming down the road for my Powerblocks too. In any case, they're worth a look if 90-100+ is your target weight per handle.
How can I get replacement disc. You have converted your to metal. Can you advise?
Hi Joseph, if you head on over to www.averagejoeinnovations.com you'll find all of the product photos, info, pricing, a link to the order form and my email if you have questions. Thanks for inquiring! Hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend.
Love your video 👍👍 very insightful I have a question on the 5th RX when the weights are off and the black plastic ribs below the red tab that holds the plates on what is your opinion on the durability or longevity of those because I see on the Bowflex one it uses metal I'm getting ready to purchase the fit RX but I'm just a little concerned about the plastic black part that holds the plates also I wonder if it's plastic or if it's polymer like they use on tools which is definitely more heavy duty?????
Hi Da Man, So Fit RX is basically the same concept as Bowflex SelectTech in a different wrapper. It's frame and adjustment method is like the Bowflex 560 and its discs are like the 552 Series 2.
All three of them use plastic discs. Likely injection molded. You may be thinking of the Bowflex 1090 which uses a steel-reinforced (and still relatively crappy) plastic disc. I wouldn't really call any of them heavy duty. They definitely should never be dropped or used as pushup handles to support your body weight (as with exercises such as the Devil's Press or Renegade Row). They're just not designed to withstand those forces.
My biggest complaint several years ago was that parts failed even if I babied SelectTechs and never dropped them. It's what motivated me to finally design my "fix". I have no definitive answer as to why some people experience SelectTech part failures after weeks or months, yet other people claim to have had zero issues after years of "regular use". It seems a variety of factors play a role in their durability.
Although I have no direct experience with FitRX dumbbells, I have zero doubt that they share some of the same weaknesses of the 552 and 560. This is one of those situations where you'd need to give it a try to see how they hold up for you. Hypothetically, they could last for years with no issues. At the end of the day, I lack real-world data to back up my reservations about the FitRX variation of the design.
Just keep in mind that your sole option under warranty will likely be to receive a replacement handle. Once the warranty is up, you'll likely need to buy the replacement handle even if you break just one disc. I doubt they sell the parts to repair their dumbbells. You'd have to inquire about that.
how did you upgrade them? where did u get the plates to upgrade?
Hi, G. Sorry about the delayed reply. I was away on a trip for 5 weeks overseas with limited internet access. I'm back in the States now and playing catch up with filling orders and answering questions. A few years back I designed the upgrades myself and had them machined for my dumbbells. These days I manufacture and sell a variety of upgrades for the SelectTech. You can check them out on my website: www.averagejoeinnovations.com
Do you think that your metal gears will fit the FitRX dumbbells? I would love to buy the gears and replace the plastic OEM on my FitRX. Your gears just looks durable and safer.
Hi lb, I know those discs look incredibly similar to the SelectTech discs, but chances are pretty good that they're not the same. FitRx is somewhat of a blend of the 552 and 560 approaches. I'd love to get my hands on some FitRx discs just to compare them. Man oh man, if they turned out to be identical, that'd be a hoot.
My friend who has the bowflex 1090 said when he weighed it on a scale it was only 82 lbs
Hiya Alejandro. Your friend is correct. Some of these dumbbells weigh more or less than the advertised 90 lbs (40kg) and 52.5 lbs (24kgs). It could be the result of manufacturing inconsistencies or QA/QC. It could also be the result of a manufacturer purposely making slightly lighter parts to skim a few lbs here and there to save on material costs. ..especially the steel. With so many manufacturers making these things I suspect the cause differs from one to the next. I routinely hear about dumbbells that are a couple pounds off here and there. Minus 8 is quite a lot...nearly 10%. I wonder if both handles were similarly low in weight. Does he recall where he got them? Are they OEM?
Will replacement parts for a Bowflex work in a knockoff?
Hi Natalie. They *can* fit but they aren't guaranteed to fit. In fact, Bowflex's own parts aren't always consistent enough to automatically fit. The good news is there's a better than 90% chance that they'd fit just fine. This is my opinion, based solely on what I've seen with customers' dumbbells and my own over the past 3 years.
So I ordered a knockoff off of ebay but the base arrived damaged. I got my refund but they told me to keep it as shipping it back would be too expensive. My question is, do you think the bowflex cradle is identical? Because I can just order a bowflex cradle and I'd be set.
Hi Mike, both OEM and knockoff parts aren't the most consistent or high precision. It's a relatively inexpensive dumbbell. So they can vary slightly from one dumbbell to the next. But based on my experience so far over the past few years and a few thousand pairs, about 95% are similar enough that the parts can be used interchangeably with little to no tweaking.
That is to say, the base is more likely than not to work ok with your dumbbell. And used/NOS replacement bases can be had on eBay for about $75, and occasionally less. Not sure what Bowflex charges for the base.
If you don't mind me asking, what sort of damage? Purely aesthetic, or something more? I've helped a few people figure out how to repair their bases, but it all depends on the type of damage. Feel free to shoot me an email. My info can be found on my website in the video description above.
@@AverageJoeInnovationsLLC thanks for replying and the damage on the base is where the metal clips are that help rotate the dial. They are bent and sunken in. The plastic cracked around the clips on the base too. I own the 552s and wanted to update to the 1090 without paying an arm and a leg. Well now I have a free 1090 knockoff lol. Just need a base for it. I saw some bowflex bases on amazon for $75 like you mention. I'm thinking about pulling the trigger now. I'm still awaiting for the second dumbbell to arrive so I can make sure the one I have is not defective first. Should be here today.
@@MYFAtal13 If you search my channel you'll find a SelectTech Buyer's Guide. Although it is intended for people who are looking at used SelectTechs, some of the same inspections can be performed to make sure that new ones arrived in safe working order. I don't cover every possible issue in the video, but I talk about several important ones.
I'd have to see photos of the damage, but typically the type you describe is repairable with some creativity and epoxy. It's a time-money thing and it may be worth it to you to just buy another one. Hope everything works out man. A nearly free 1090...pretty sweet.
@@AverageJoeInnovationsLLC thank you for your insight it has a been a big help. I'll look further into your channel and send an email with those photos as well.
I got 1090 clones. They work fine only issue is a square metal grips that hurt my hands
Heya Mack. Yep, they're basically the same thing. Similar range of materials, similar tolerances. Overall build quality depends on the knockoff manufacturer...some do a better job than others. By the way, I didnt like the OEM 1090 grips either. I designed regular knurled stainless grips for my own 1090s. Nowadays you can find them for sale on my site: www.averagejoeinnovations.com
Do the metal plates from the knock off fit the bowflex authentic handle?
Heya Trevor. The short answer is that they should...more often than not. It's just not guaranteed.
A longer answer...this is true of OEM parts too. I just had a couple customers who, before contacting me, had already contacted Bowflex to obtain new handles under warranty. When the handles arrived they discovered the same thing I had learned over the past few years...that even the OEM parts aren't consistent. Their brand new empty OEM handles, sent directly from Bowflex, didn't fit their existing weight plates. It has to do with the design itself and the way in which it is manufactured. Materials, manufacturing methods, acceptable tolerances, wear, tear, damage, etc all play a role in whether parts from dumbbell A will fit dumbbell B without modification. Folks run into this same issue when buying used SelectTech parts on eBay. Most fit ok, but some don't.
So your best bet is to find a seller with a return policy in the event that the parts don't fit your specific handles. Or to be prepared to tweak the parts if needed. And if they just fit straight out of the box, awesome. I hope my explanation helped, and I hope you have a great weekend, man.
would you say knock offs are just as good? looking to upgrade my 552s to 1090s but not feeling that price.
Heya Kevin. Generally speaking, they're about the same. I own both.
Look for a reseller who has decent reviews for knock-off quality, sales and after sales service. Not all knockoffs or resellers are created equal...heck, not all OEM are created equal. Quite a few manufacturers appear to be making these.
Someone who follows my videos just sent me a couple photos and a video of his brand new knockoffs that he ordered, and at least one of them had a locking pin issue. The pin wasn't engaging properly to lock the weights into the handle. This was straight out of the box. He's in touch with the reseller and hoping to exchange the handle. If he can't it is still fixable. I also met with a reseller in Boston who had some locking pin issues with his knock-off inventory. They kept catching inside the plastic housing rather than locking. I've not had those issues with any of mine, yet. Knock on wood, right?
I just got my 552s yesterday they're more than enough for me that's a lot of weight the FedEx driver had a hard time getting them up to my steps I'll probably be using these for years I don't need the 1090s this is more than enough and I've been working out for years and I'm getting a little older I can't lift as much as I used to but I tried them out as soon as I got them they're awesome I love them already and the weight is plenty
I was on Facebook and they where saying that they had these for $89 new set. I'm guessing these where fake.
Do the upgrades work on the knock offs ? Where can I buy the upgrades from?
Hiya CRT. They work on OEM and knockoffs. How well the discs fit depends on your specific dumbbells and not whether they are OEM or knockoffs. Elsewhere on my UA-cam channel you can find videos in which I show some of the manufacturing inconsistencies of the design. If you head on over to www.averagejoeinnovations.com you'll find a bunch of info. It's worth reading through the FAQ section just to set your expectations about the upgrades.
I have fake 1090s and I decided to weigh them. One is 85 and the other is 83 pounds at max. Feel upset about it now that I know. On one the handle is only 8 pounds 8 ounces when it should be 10.
Hi, T. Sorry to hear that, but I appreciate you sharing what you discovered. You're not alone. I know of quite a few people whose dumbbells don't weigh the advertised weight. Even the fine print in Bowflex's SelectTech manual states "Note: Weight increments represent estimated values only. Exact values can vary due to manufacturing variances." So it's not just the fakes, though the fakes tend to be off by more weight.
@@AverageJoeInnovationsLLC Yea, I'm going to weigh each plate individually and try to atleast make them both even with each other. Then I'll mark down their actual values
How to make the knock off upgrade?
Hi Anon. Here's a video of me upgrading a 552 Series 2 knockoff: ua-cam.com/video/yQ8OtAXz0Qs/v-deo.html. For more information about my upgrade kits, please send an email to SelectTech.Fix@gmail.com
So in your opinion are the Bowflex's worth the extra money ?
It seems I am almost incapable of a simple yes or no answer. Hopefully you find some value in this lengthy reply.
I happen to own quite a few adjustable dumbbells. Several pairs of Bowflex, several Powerblocks, Core, and shortly I'll own a Snode too. Each one comes with its own advantages and disadvantages...though most of that is entirely subjective. For example, we can talk about durability somewhat objectively, but usability and "feel" is almost entirely subjective.
Ideally, it'd be great if you had a place where you could try out the different brands. I understand that this may not be realistic to do where you live. But then you could compare first-hand how weight selection works, the feel of the grips and overall feel of the shape and size of the dumbbells. Some fitness equipment retailers have multiple brands on display.
I like my modded BF now much more than I ever liked it as OEM, but of course I am totally biased. And I ended up going well beyond simply fixing the durability issues. At this point I probably have the most costly modified SelectTechs in the world...for better or worse...lol. I jokingly tell people that's why I call myself Average Joe and not Rational Joe.
In terms of durability and compactness, I feel Powerblock provides the most bang for the buck at a relatively affordable entry level price point. But some people just don't like the shape or feel when working out with them. Bowflex leans toward a more traditional dumbbell feel with weight increments that you may find more convenient to set.
Ultimately, this is how I ended up owning so many different pairs of adjustables. Crazy, I know. One of the main selling points is supposed to be the reduced footprint. I own enough adjustables that I could have fit a couple racks of hex dumbbells in the same space. But I like each of the models for different reasons, even within a single brand. Bowflex *can* be worth the extra money. It all depends on what you value/want/need/expect most from dumbbells.
I got mine recently, why does yours have all metal locking plates, mine are plastic, and so are other reviewers in youtube.
NVM: I WATCHED THE WHOLE VID
They're all made in the same factory and are branded differently, that's my take
Hiya, Darryl. There are multiple factories pumping out knockoffs these days, but you're absolutely correct about the branding. If ever you see references online to "white labeling" or "private labeling" it means that you can have your logo slapped on a product so long as you buy a minimum order quantity (MOQ). So, people find these manufacturers, typically through large online marketplaces, and have their names slapped on products that they had no hand in designing/developing.
Fun fact: the nutrition/performance supplement industry is also built on this model. All of those coaches, fitness gurus, body builders, athletes and social media influencers making claims about their "specially formulated" drinks and powders are, more often than not, selling white labeled products that they did not design or develop.
They simply hopped online, picked from one of many manufacturers, selected either an existing recipe or ingredients from a list of available ingredients, selected packaging from a variety of options, and had their graphics slapped on the bottles and boxes. There is usually little-to-no difference in the products. It's all about the marketing.