" I spent the pros and cons of looking at my atheism and to my surprise it went the other way" yeah it's very comforting too. Believe in things that are not true.
One of the best, most nuanced debates on the subject from people we can all admire. I find myself in more agreement with Brian's analysis of the "awe and wonder", but also feel that Francis's position is a very understandable one from his perspective. I began with very non-zero Bayesian priors but wonder how they could be revived - perhaps every diabetic suddenly being cured by an instantaneous change in their DNA or epigenome? But I think Francis is extremely well-placed to bridge the divide between faith-based science skeptics and faith-skeptical scientists. I love his focus on data-driven decisions and outcomes. I had no idea of his early physics background. His blend of medicine, science, and administration make him a national treasure.
Thank you Brian. This one really resonated with me to the core. I identify with Dr. Collins on my path to a belief that there is something greater that set everything in motion. I am an engineer, very analytical, but certain events in life changed my atheist tendencies. Great talk, once again, thank you.
THE NIH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING THE BIOWEAPONS THAT WERE JUST USED TO MASS GENOCIDE HUMANITY - THIS IS OBJECTIVE REALITY - PLS WAKE UP YOU STUPID SHEEP - YOU ARE KILLING YOURSELVES AND YOUR CHILDREN. THIS MAN IS A GENOCIDIST RESPONSIBLE FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
Elohim is the multiverse, all containing all potentials, it says God is love, and love hope, trust all things, etc. Love is the infinite potential of the multiverse itself, and God is the all fulfilling and all containing of that multiverse, a static conscious presence all in all, so that it remains through all things, and in all things, so all events in the multiverse are then full of God, and contained by God, in him do we all live move and have being!
When inteleculuals like these two converse I think Angel's are getting their wings..thanks for sharing you're brilliant insight into the human condition..eternally grateful listener from Canada..
it says a lot about this clown echochamber brian has garnered here that he gets a huge name on and has the comment section sperg out about his belief in god rather than brian letting a corrupt hack onto here and treating him as if he is an extinguished scientist take a look at lex fridmans interview for contrast... not one out of the people with most popular comments whines about nonsense that frankly, many scientists are, but his disgraced work for the flu season we just decided to destroy the world economy over, despite killing as many people in 2020 as in any other normal flu year
Thank you for keeping it civil! Because I really like both of you! Us lay members would be left in the dust if it were not for your wonderful enthusiasm to include us!
it says a lot about this clown echochamber brian has garnered here that he gets a huge name on and has the comment section sperg out about his belief in god rather than brian letting a corrupt hack onto here and treating him as if he is an extinguished scientist take a look at lex fridmans interview for contrast... not one out of the people with most popular comments whines about nonsense that frankly, many scientists are, but his disgraced work for the flu season we just decided to destroy the world economy over, despite killing as many people in 2020 as in any other normal flu year
it says a lot about this clown echochamber brian has garnered here that he gets a huge name on and has the comment section sperg out about his belief in god rather than brian letting a corrupt hack onto here and treating him as if he is an extinguished scientist take a look at lex fridmans interview for contrast... not one out of the people with most popular comments whines about nonsense that frankly, many scientists are, but his disgraced work for the flu season we just decided to destroy the world economy over, despite killing as many people in 2020 as in any other normal flu year
I'm really glad you spent so much time discussing Dr Collins' belief and the ideas behind it. I wish he would just acknowledge that his belief is not scientific. It seems as if he tries to frame it as influenced by his scientific mindset, but that simply doesn't seem to stand up. All that said, he seems perfectly capable of shaping his religion around science rather than trying to shape science around his religion.
To be capable doesnt nean that would be right. If you knew the Biblical you would read clearly there that what you said means to make a religion about the creation rather than the Creator...big mistake, that just diverts people attention to the enemy and steal their soul from honouring the real God. "Scientism" is the name of the "religion" you are talking about, it is already in the mindset of many as you..but it is not the right one as said above, and the Dr here knows it..he is clear, doesn't make your confusion .
True, science doesn't address or aprove faith. It falls outside of it and so it can't disapprove it either. You need something that falls outside causality and the spacetime arrow, and it's also infinifly mightly to create mathimatics and the laws of this physical existance with unimaginable energy and size. The answer to it is mostly found in philosophy and morality; science is not the tool to tell you what your limited mortal life purpose is
@Wirrling Ive red 3 bible translation many times. I'm interested in what part did you find disgusting? Also, what part is myth?many archaeological digs have discovered data points that prove the bible isn't a collection of stories but a historic fact.and I've never been to a church.
I read "Jesus from Outer Space" by Richard Carrier this year. He makes a strong case that Jesus never existed, even as a regular mortal man, never mind as a supernatural man. (Carrier wrote a longer version of this book, also, titled "On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt.") I do think that it is _possible_ that there is some sort of "god" that created the universe, but with thousands of various gods in Earth's various mythologies, I doubt the Christian concept of god is the one who did it.
No one gets to hurt me. ...always was the proof. Most obvious one. .. people who work on bettering themselves, is sorry for my bads, feels a compassion growth. Earn it to have proven. ..
I find it easy to think that there is a spectrum outside of our space and time. And that that spectrum can interact with other “dimensions”. Maybe in the future we’ll learn to transcend whatever barriers exist between these “planes. Oan, energy conceptually, never ceases to exist. I wonder if that is the foundation of everlasting life. A sentient form of energy.
THE NIH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING THE BIOWEAPONS THAT WERE JUST USED TO MASS GENOCIDE HUMANITY - THIS IS OBJECTIVE REALITY - PLS WAKE UP YOU STUPID SHEEP - YOU ARE KILLING YOURSELVES AND YOUR CHILDREN. THIS MAN IS A GENOCIDIST RESPONSIBLE FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
Excellent! I never miss a Brian Greene interview/presentation. I remember when President Clinton announced the success of the Human Genome Project and its ramifications in the future of medicine and other applications. Great science. Francis Collins is a Jesus freak. "God bless his little pea pickin' heart." - Tennessee Ernie Ford :)
Francis Collins states he is a “born again Christian” and Bible believer. How can an otherwise intelligent individual like Francis Collins, promote belief in an invisible sky dada, who loves him and is literally following him around with a bag of miracles out of which to "bless" him with. And ultimately an invisible sky dada that will levitate him from his casket to pleasure paradise for infinity. How is it possible to actually believe that about oneself, with no evidence whatsoever, and yet have a fair amount of intelligence. It is called terror of being completely vulnerable to laws of nature, denial of death, and machinations of egocentric superiority of a hairless primate species of which even Francis Collins admits he is a member of. One side of his brain is intelligent and critical thinking, but the other more dominating side is obviously in DENIAL, and paralyzed with existential terror and egocentricity. Collins admits to being a believer according to the Christian religion and bible. The Christian religion teaches it’s biblical prophesy, of eternal torture in a sulfuric lake of fire for all of humanity who don’t buy into the God/Jesus/Holy Ghost myth. Conveniently Collins didn’t address that part of his Bible and belief system.
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration." Nikola Tesla Quote. Humanity and life i feel is also connected to the Universe, energy, frequency, and vibration. Connected together yet working uniquely and Individually.
I was impressed with Dr. Collins for personally using his own mind conforming to scientific methodology and logic in processing religious rationale for evidence of an un caused One Creator and not settling down with views from his parent’s. At the same time I was disappointed that he stopped there and didn’t get a chance to analyze Islam as radically monotheistic way of life. And that he didn’t question his parent’s faith about Jesus (pbuh) being designated as son of God vs the concept that he was just a prophet with same God’s message as other prophets. If Jesus (pbuh) is made son of God by virtue of his unusual birth then it should have been the privilege of prophet Adam (pbuh) who didn’t have parents at all. ?!
I'm a scientist. I may not be as committed to a particular religion as Dr. Collins, and I think fine tuning maybe just another god of gap argument. But his worldview makes more sense than the materialist view described by Greene. The latter is more unbelievable.
Denying without evidence is similar to accepting without evidence. Just because someone says “pick a side, do you or do you not believe” doesn’t mean that I have to pick a standard side. What one accepts as evidence potentially reveals more about the person than it does the subjects.
There is nothing wrong about scientist being a believer in higher powers, gods, larger consciousness etc. But there is something very wrong about scientist favoring one particular religion over another because of some obscure biased beliefs. Well, I guess it is politics baby, you cannot elect non-christian science advisor to represent government in highly religious christian country.
morality as a construct (societal culture) or as an absolute truth in the eye of the creator: regardless of which, it seems like a cornerstone for evolution, and civilization.
"I tell you that men will give an account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
I say that it is very possible and quite easy to have and use Spirituality and be in touch with God, the Universal Mind, Cosmic Consciousness or whatever you may want to call it *without* religion! I was born into the Christian Church, but now live my life without a Dogma, Doctrine or Religion quite happily. My Karma ran over my Dogma... many years ago. I searched all kinds of Christian Churches, Doctrines, Disciplines, Interpretations or whatever for years, and never found what I was looking for. I didn't really *know* what I was looking for, but I do know I never found it. The closest I came was Unity Church, but left that, mostly because of the Pastor/Preacher. I've come to feel that a Loving God does *not* SEND anyone to Hell. The word "Sin" is an Archery term meaning, "You missed the mark," which has been perverted by religion by taking it to an Extreme with "Hellacious" repercussions. Down through the Ages, religion was created for Population Control and Christianity is no different. The Roman Catholic Church was created to aide the Roman Government of the day to keep the people in Fear. Anyone who makes it to "Heaven" gets there by their deeds and actions. Live against what is accepted as a Good life, and God does not send you to Hell; He simply doesn't Reward you with Heaven. You turned your back on the Reward, thinking you had a better or easier way, so you aren't Rewarded. You send *_yourself_* to Hell. It's also a common saying and/or belief that there is no Fiery Pits of Hell, per se. By living the unkind, treacherous or evil life which you live, through your choices and God-given Free Will, the Hell you see and dwell in is the Life you live here on Earth. Beyond mortal death, many believe you move on in a Spiritual life-form, or Astral Body, the Soul, learning about how and where you went wrong, get lessons on living right, and reincarnate to try again. Some say, That's what Karma is. Mind you, I am *not* saying that Science is bad or evil. I think Science and Spirituality should live and thrive together. One day, I believe this will happen and some of the Questions that are so hard to answer will be fulfilled through that connection with God, the Universal Mind, Cosmic Consciousness or whatever you may want to call it. Quantum Physics used to be closer to it, but Quantum Mechanics seems to have moved away.
I love your description of your mother’s homeschooling. I always felt that my way of teaching, although appearing a bit chaotic to those who don’t know what’s going on, was the most natural and interesting way of learning. My favorite saying was, “Play to learn-Learn to play.” My class was once so involved with our math that we missed our lunch and recess! They had absolutely no regret-no moaning or complaining about it-we simply let our principal know and she let us have a late lunch. My kindergartners knew how to tell time to the minute. It all came about with a fun story that teaches that large isn’t necessarily more important than small. I demonstrated how the small hand is more important than the large one. A clock with only the large hand doesn’t help at all-one with only the small hand can give us the approximate time by itself! ⏰ Now, I’ll need to go back and restart this presentation! I admire the intelligence in these two gentlemen. I don’t even come close to their intelligence, but it’s the type of program that keeps me going at my age. Thank you both! God bless you both!
THE NIH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING THE BIOWEAPONS THAT WERE JUST USED TO MASS GENOCIDE HUMANITY - THIS IS OBJECTIVE REALITY - PLS WAKE UP YOU STUPID SHEEP - YOU ARE KILLING YOURSELVES AND YOUR CHILDREN. THIS MAN IS A GENOCIDIST RESPONSIBLE FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
Genesis says that God created the sun and stars and constellations on the 4th day. So the fist days 4 days couldn’t be 24 hours each because the sun didn’t exist yet and we get our hours from the sun. So the whole 7 days probably isn’t 7 24 hour periods. The word day is made slang by many if not all. To some a day is when it’s light out, to some a day is over after the work is finished, or it is a 24 hour period. But on other planets due to their perspective from the sun, a day is longer or shorter. Let there be light was the Big Bang and it was part of the first “day”or stage of creation.
Dear Brian Greene, I admire the respectfulness and diplomacy that you exhibited during the "religion"portion of this dialogue. I wanted to say thank you for all the books that you have written, as I have read them all. Your unsurpassed brilliance, in addition to your ability to bring complex concepts to to the average individual with such metaphorical eloquence is rare indeed. You have been the most influential writer to me, along with Richard Dawkins. Your book "Until the End of Time" is staggering as well as comforting. Thank you for addressing the existential angst that is ubiquitous with being a temporary sentient biological organism on this earth. Particularly for those of us unwilling to sacrifice our reasoning and intellectual honesty, in exchange for contrived delusions of divine personal deities, individual egocentricity, and eternal grandiosity. You are so humble, genuine, courageous, and sincere and a true genius in the past and present frontiers of string theory and theoretical physics, with knowledge and communication that is as rare as stardust in the universe. Thank you for taking us virtually, on a big part of that journey with you. You are a pioneer and a legend with a future legacy that will last far far into the future.
if it’s all just fundamental parts; then what unites all of those parts into a single whole; it is the consciousness of God; the logos itself; that describes just that! Making God all in all!
@@jeanine219 This is a constant living multiverse; in which the “supernatural” like higher dimensional celestial beings; or even eternal universes are fully possible; and so it’s just a matter of how we describe nature itself. The whole of Nature, is that eternal God; and heaven would be that eternal expression of a being in that eternal constant state. And so it’s simple; is this a “living” multiverse or a dead multiverse? If Consciousness can assemble in a brain 🧠 in a smaller scale: can’t that same awareness be present in a larger system or organization like a multiverse?
@@lovetwentyfourseven7428 so you want the universe to have a sentient God that is going to give you, love 23/7, kicks and giggles. Putting your wishful thinking aside, where is your EVIDENCE. If an all powerful all knowing god character existed out there, then he would indeed be a monster. Did you see the movie Series “The Hunger Games”? Yeh, like that only much worse👺🥶😩🤕🥵😫😭😢🥺😱😳
@@jeanine219 That’s not true at all; the natural order and humans in line with the natural order would flourish and heal the world; humanity is perfectly capable of Eden on earth. On the contrary mankind Trying to play God; living outside the bounds of Eden and the river of life the natural spirit of the universe; are destroying themselves in their own delusion; God created life and gave life; to all the earth to live in harmony with the natural order! God made beings to be in harmony with their own species; harmony with nature, and harmony with the universe. Wherever tao is not in harmony; there is suffering in a population or in beings.
@@lovetwentyfourseven7428 Your idea of a sentient, all loving, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, omni benevolent god is powerless or a monster or both.....Your bible (that you like to quote from in all or your previous comments under different videos) is a corrupt book featuring a malicious El/ yahweh/Jhova myth god. Your bible god ordered up mass infanticide, infant and child sacrifice to himself, mass genocide, kidnapping, rape, thievery of entire communities in Canaan, etc etc. look at the world today. Look at the mass suffering of vulnerable innocent babies and children. 250,000 babies and children around the globe, die of starvation every month. Where is the “manna”? Does your god watch each child starve to death or does he look away. Well he drowned out all babies and children in your noachian flood myth, so he probably watches.👺
@@jerrypolverino6025 No, it's not religion. It's "emergentism," the fatuous idea that a mass of neural tissue which belongs to the category of unconscious substance being of the same essence as flesh and bone, can *somehow* give rise to a conscious thinker and feeler, without there being *any* explanatory mechanism whatsoever. That's the real magical thinking right there!
@@Arunava_Gupta Nope. That is not the current thinking on biology. Magical explanations are still dumb. Not having every answer to every question is no reason to invoke magic.
hey brian, random thought i had while watching old videos on string theory and dark matter we already "know" hydrogen is the most fundamental element but what about element -1? could it be that the first element that existed was so unstable that it all collapsed at the moment of the big bang into hydrogen and so on? like a stack of opposing magnetic blocks, at some point the gravity and weight of the blocks outweighs their magnetic force and it can be held in a quasi stable configuration due to gravity pulling them all down on eachother, if you perturb it even slightly, a chain reaction will cause the entire magnet tower to flip and reconfigure on itself until opposite poles are all facing in a more stable configuration with a few defects that are still held down by the other magnets? like a balloon is "stable" until you create a small defect in it and it pops, releasing all of the higher pressure air into the bulk air around it normalizing pressure? .....wow this is long and rambley but seriously, besides quarks, is there something more fundamental than hydrogen?
Dr. Collins didn’t find the god of the Bible. He’s describing Wordsworth’s god: A presence that disturbs me with the joy Of elevated thoughts; a sense sublime Of something far more deeply interfused, Whose dwelling is the light of setting suns, And the round ocean and the living air, And the blue sky, and in the mind of man: A motion and a spirit, that impels All thinking things, all objects of all thought, And rolls through all things.
My final words~ HM hmmmmm resonates in my heart~ The brain is not a muscle but the more we use it the greater its strength. In the mind this fabrication of consciousness that is built from perceptions of the world still does not compute the thought & reason. Reality is but a shadow that we think we can touch but as we get closer it moves with us. HM is love that sails the oceans & transverses the universe. It is as much within as it is without. Religion is such a misunderstood topic. As humans we long to define the undefinable & reach the unreachable but somewhere in between is a heart full of love that will sail us upon sea & sky. I feel it's love & it is so devine~
It is interesting that Mr. Collins has this deep trust in the credibility of the Gospels and the descriptions in them. If you ask any historian about the subject, she/he will tell you that these texts contain many errors, discrepancies and contradictions that render them not 100% credible. Also, these texts were NOT written by eyewitnesess; they were written decades later (70s to 90s at best) by anonymous, highly educated Greek speaking people living in various parts of the Roman Empire. So, even if you believe in God, it's not justified logically to do so because of the credibility of these texts. People believe in God because of their "experience" with God.
I believe Collins is a psychopath , in the true sense of the Word, and a Criminal Narcicist, Who double down on "Gain of Function" as a good a viable strategy for vira studies AND implentation of such ,.....its Deeply Disturbing , the kind of power he holds,and one can only hope, he will get stopped in time........
The Christian Bible has served as a prototype for the worst atrocities against sentient beings.... and all the while referred to as the “holy and divine word of God”. It is no wonder during the 4th century CE, that the corrupt Roman Church Papacy and Bishops contrived what the official "Christian doctrine" would be for millennia to come, and then set up what writings would be put into this new Christian manual which they named the “Holy Bible”. Ironically they chose to incorporate all of the corrupt violent books of the Tanakh as the first 75%. Y'shua (Jesus) was an alleged teacher, carpenter, and zealot leader of the anti roman occupation. He was recruited as the king or messiah that the Jews had been looking for to save them from Roman rule. His life was interpreted many different ways, and even deified by some of the later Jesus cults. However Jesus and his disciples never wrote a word in the bible. It was subsequent self proclaimed ''apostles" who never even met Jesus, and wrote new "Jesus follower" stories decades and centuries after the alleged Jesus' life. The Roman Papacy and Bishops threw out hundreds of "Jesus cult" gospels and writings, only selecting 4 cult gospels obviously copied from each other, and written decades after Jesus death. Those few that would align with their newly contrived "Roman Church doctrine". And then of course they added all the Saul-Paul letters. So this combination of contrived doctrine and assembly of specific writings, brought in support from the Jews, Gentiles, circumcised, uncircumcised, Jesus cult followers, etc.....all for the Roman Church papacy. The format and books were not chosen arbitrarily, but rather strategically customized to fit The Roman Church Papacy doctrine and template for maximum political-religious mandates, power, threats, control, oppression, torture (including of scientists and philosophers), bloodshed, stealing of lands, and plunder. Christian Crusades, Inquisitions, Governments, Dictators, Religious leaders, cult leaders etc, have patterned and justified the worst of atrocities from this supremely corrupt, sadistic, violent “Holy Bible” and god template. By the way, the Roman Church is still here, and possibly the wealthiest most influential and powerful organization on the planet. Their strategic construction of a new Christian religion and bible in the 4th century CE, worked for them exactly as they intended. The Bible has been copied by scribes, translated, modified, and completely altered, tens of thousands of times throughout history. Probably one of the most significant examples being, that over a millennium later 7 books that had been held by Christians as the "holy word of god" for 1000+ yrs, were displaced by the translator Martin Luther in his editing and re-translation, and then completely removed, not at first but eventually by the King James Version included. Martin Luther also tried to remove Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation...but he didn't get quite THAT far.
And many were written hundreds of years after the events supposedly took place. Also can't ignore early christians were all greek and the followers of dionysus were generally the converts. Many, many similarities between him and jesus - too many to ignore.
So where is your evidence of anything supernatural, outside of your mythical ancient, altered Bible. I have some additional questions for you: If your perfect, benevolent, just, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God does indeed exist as you claim: 1)Why does your God allow a 6 year old little boy to be abducted, sodomized, tortured, and killed by a serial pedophile? (Does your God watch, or look away) 2)Why doesn’t your God prevent metastatic cancer and brain tumors in children? 3)Why doesn’t your God magically reconnect completely severed spinal cords in children that are subsequently completely paralyzed from their neck down for the remainder of their life? (never has been documented in medical literature) 4)Why doesn’t your God remove and erase 3rd degree burn contracture scars that permanently disfigure a child, and cause pain, and restrict all movement for the rest of her life? (never has been documented in medical literature) 5)Why does your God allow children’s arms and legs to be blown off from a roadside IED explosion, and then why doesn’t he just recreate their arms and legs afterwards? (never has been documented in medical literature). 6)Why does your God allow an innocent child to be struck by lightning, such that he is permanently brain damaged? 7)Why doesn't God give a blind child her vision? 8) If your entire arm was amputated during an accident, do you think after praying for a year, there is any chance at all that you would wake up one morning with a brand new perfect arm that exactly matches your missing arm? (never has been documented in medical literature) 9) Why are over 250,000 babies and children per month across the globe born,only to starve to death because there is no food anywhere. The vultures are even circling them as they are dying. Where is the "manna"? Why does God sit back and allow them to be born, only to starve, suffer, and then die? Where is evidence for your particular benevolent omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent god? Why does your invisible god appear to not exist at all?
If you want this, you will have when you will be in a moment of bottom line in your life. With that level of desespoir only, we humans are able even to give up our ego-pride-self rightiusness to open the door to Jesus of Nazareth ..who is already there waiting for one and each of us to invite Him in. He is at the door, but we do need let Him enter. He is respectful of our will and choice. When you will touch your very bottom, remember these my words and seek for Him, call Him out loudly, you will SEE!
@@stefaniamirri1112 Thank you for your opinion. I have heard it literally my whole life. And still, have my doubts. I actually don't have a problem with God. I do have a problem with his true believers.
Zero plus X Bayesian probability of a Being as Origin of Everything doesn't work if you apply Bayesian linear regression to human history... Faith, mystical places or beings, areas of metaphysical thinking, that's a totally different point. A positive attitude, i believe.
Dr Green remind me of some one who believes in dimensions, including the mind which if truly explains ambiguity like the sophist. in all his arguments he can't explain
recently read the phrase "the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit" should be viewed as different visions of the Creator (like the old guy in heaven, the Father of all and the omnipresent spirit/conscious field) , each determining a certain personal level of consciousness and each was conveyed through a human messenger - first 2, being Moses and Jesus and this is from the last, also scientist who has been active for already 18 years
I used to find the whole religion vs. science argument interesting when arguing late at night in a dorm room. Now I find it extremely tedious. One’s religion or lack thereof is as good a motivation as any to have scientific curiosity. Really, it doesn’t matter as long as he’s scientifically rigorous in his pursuit of knowledge.
I see him as another supposedly rational and scientific person, who was suckered into swallowing magical thinking for emotional reasons. How disappointing.
@@wasdwasdedsf You missed the key term “supposedly” at the start of my post. As for your question, I live on Earth where most inhabitants read well. What planet do you live on and why is your reading comprehension poor? Translation difficulties?
@@jerrypolverino6025 " As for your question, I live on Earth where most inhabitants read well." nothing wrong with it, its yours that is the problem. you said that before that you saw him as someone was rational and scientific. he is a disgraced criminal, and it says a lot about this clown echochamber brian has garnered here that he gets a huge name on and has the comment section sperg out about his belief in god rather than brian letting a corrupt hack onto here and treating him as if he is an extinguished scientist take a look at lex fridmans interview for contrast... not one out of the people with most popular comments whines about nonsense that frankly, many scientists are, but his disgraced work for the flu season we just decided to destroy the world economy over, despite killing as many people in 2020 as in any other normal flu year
One would think as a man who believes that good and evil exist, he should then admit when he might have witnessed the non-good (evil) during his time at NIH? Or are we to believe Dr. Collins never witnessed anything of a "non-good" (evil) nature which may have harmed people via consequences of its occurrence?
Definition of the christian bible god's "free will": If you do what I say, you will live in a pleasure paradise for infinity. If you do not do what I say, you will live in a torture chamber for infinity.
it says a lot about this clown echochamber brian has garnered here that he gets a huge name on and has the comment section sperg out about his belief in god rather than brian letting a corrupt hack onto here and treating him as if he is an extinguished scientist take a look at lex fridmans interview for contrast... not one out of the people with most popular comments whines about nonsense that frankly, many scientists are, but his disgraced work for the flu season we just decided to destroy the world economy over, despite killing as many people in 2020 as in any other normal flu year
@@jeanine219 Yeah...? If you believe in an objective standard of good then wouldn't it logically follow that rejecting that standard leads to consequences and suffering...? You're free to make choices, you're not free from consequences. Wish people were bright enough to understand that.
@@kagakai7729 riiiight. So I’ll assume you are one of those that is banking on a magical sky dada to transport you to a pleasure paradise for infinity, as long as you constantly call out platitudes to this Jehovah character? The same one that turns a blind eye to 250,000 innocent children across the globe who starve to death each month? Does your fictional omnipotent omnipresent omni benevolent deity watch or does he turn his head? You are not reality based bro. You are living in your own delusion. Look around you. Do you watch the news? Do you know anything about science?
Our population is more than 4 times greater than it was in year 1900 also now education level increases so there must must be more than 4 times large number of scientists and so there must be 4,5 times scientific discovery, research in science must occur in today's world as compare to discovery and research in various fields of science so our civilization must also take more than 4,5 times greater leap or advance level growth level as compare to world in 1900. but this is not happening we are lacking somewhere proper human resources utilization is not taking place. Government must need to be concerned about it more than any other short term war for temporary control over very tiny fraction of a dot(earth). This is most concerned issues
It's so heartbreaking when a scientist decides to forego critical thinking and decide to rest on the comfortable pillow of 'god did it' and give up on life like this. Just listen to timestamp 14:10 "The creator is the source of Good and Evil, and that means there a god who cares about people" A very caring god there, to create all that evil for us all to enjoy. Thanks.
That was the most impressive interview of anyone of advancing years i have ever witness. Mr Francis Collins's incredible precision of thought in recognizing Brian's concerns or suggestions of potential conflicts with instant recall of his deepest convictions and what supports it despite the sheer volume accumulated over more than 4 decades of the highest level of work and its demands. "18 days , 13.55 billion , 13-14 years , more than zero prior" ... exactly how difficult the human genome project entailed yet how easy collaborations can n should be made. Stating without bragging the far reaching effects it has on the most relevant issues corvid 19 or the speed of developing the antiviral , cancer by identifying the more likely successful treatment. Its inspiring to know that such a balanced individual represents science , the US of A n its leadership of future possibilities.
@@jeanine219 in a nutshell God and Allah were running the planet the whole time but we called them Krishna & Ganesh to not get blamed for the undercover ops of hiding innocent slaves and babies from Masters' oops...
@@jeanine219 I wasn't supposed to exist I wasn't supposed to find out what they were doing to my kids I wasn't supposed to find out what they were doing to my brother and i wasn't supposed to tell anyone let alone everyone about the global World Order they'd all been running. That's malicious obstructing but we forgiveness forever players see the light. USA
There're other points which Dr. Collins didn't addrese like the moral purpose for the unfortunate in this world to be good while all evolution, and human desire want is to revenge and survive the wrongs they experienced. A psycopath who was raised in an unfortunate and abused world, has no purpose and no motive to feel or do any right to anyone in life if he left it all to his natural self and desire. It's to be an unnatural motive to reason doing what's right against the wrong you want and desire with every gene in your body
When you study science you don't have to wonder which parts are poetic and which parts are real! So the genesis is more poetic while the resurrection text is not! Sounds very subjective to me!
Isn’t this a science channel? Nothing against non-radical religions and religiousness and even though believing in any peaceful thing ( regardless of any scientific proof) has been proven to help people’s health, well being and happiness, there is no non-subjective scientific proof for any of those those 4000+ religions and it might be better to avoid belief based topics … especially if the believers/speakers are biased and have the financial and power related intensive of joining politics.
Why would the universe go through all the bother of existing for nothing!!!! There are no dice. I believe randomness is the stuff we don't understand/can't quantify yet...if ever we are even meant too
@@bobbabai Your 4D bubble of spacetime (your observable universe) exists without bothering, as it surely is in The Universe (the universe of everything that exists, including your observable universe and everything in or out of your observable universe); but is The Universe in The Universe, i.e., is it a member of itself? If it isn't, and there seems to be no reason to believe that it is, then The Universe doesn't bother or exist.
Dr. Greene and Mr. Collins, thank you for sharing your insights. Dr Greene a small thought experience, can I ask you put yourself in a creators shoes. Imagine yourself existing just a short time 25,000 years from now, (comparable the human invention of agriculture, or better yet, a fast trip to the center of the Milky Way), don’t put a limit on your lifespan. What kind of a Universe would you create? Would you create one where the intelligent life knows all from the beginning, BORING! Maybe you could imagine one of chance where expansion happens in an instant and life may experience all the wonder of your creation of seeking out mysteries and truth. Or maybe a universe built on one thing, where belief is a manifestation of reality. Please don’t fall into the trap of thinking our own demise. Regards
Collins: you can’t explain morality, you can’t explain what caused the Big Bang, therefore god. Greene: could that not be construed as a god of the gaps argument? Collins: well I suppose, but we will still be left with why there is something rather than nothing, and that can only be answered with God without an infinite regress. Greene: could you not use any term in that way to avoid an infinite regress? Collins: well, suppose, but then you still have morality…
Hi Darwin 42. That is right my souvenir stop at me being some where out of any any univers alone watching arrond few univers. This is where my souvenir stop. I can not explain why I exist, what is my purposes. It's quite embarrassing and painful. Not Abel to answering no one about where I am coming from and why, what and all that. I am sorry it make me not solvable I understand why not be living an me. Sorry. Looking from this point sure I am looking as a charlatan. I not Abel to argue about all from nothing. Now I will evaluate if I should deasapir as before. Not to be in human buissnises. 😎
@@deczen47 that's because ontology is presuming that there is a meaning to it all, I'm afraid you are trying to reverse engineer it all to justify a deity that might care that you exist. It's a philosophical substrate for something that doesn't exist.
@@beer3029 i find that very unconvincing. If that is the case, if someone like hitler or stalin spread theyre morality on the world, given 3-4 centuries it would be the norm aka correct
i have seen enough of christianity and i do not wat to see anymore of it , thank you. the arrogance you show is offputting to say the least. @@blakerice7928
Christ is a "perspective conscientiousness" not a person... Jesus was Jesus of Nazareth that achieved "Christ conscientiousness" to be known as Jesus of Christ. Christ being God. God being the Universe. Please don't complicate it with religion. Jesus was Gnostic not Christian.
At min 16:40 Collins says "God has to be outside of space and outside of time to avoid an infinite regress." Mathematics is like that, outside of time and outside of space. It is immaterial, it does not obey any physical law, it is immune to the Second Law, it is eternal, present everywhere, always true, and it is complete if you take into account the coherence of the system itself, as Penrose affirms. So math is just like God, except that it does not demand you to abstain from eating pork or consecrating your life to certain practices on (inconsistent) moral principles alone. Where there differential equations when the dinosaurs roamed the earth? Did anyone there bother about Fermat's theorems, any of them, not just the last one? Like God, math was irrelevant in the world of the dinosaurs. Now we build bridges and telescopes that allow us to see creation through the eyes of James Watt created by us with great mathematics.
Surprised they didn't talk about consciousness or nde's if they wanted to do a fair debate whether god exists or not. Biggest weakness of materialists is they don't know what consciousness is. At least some scientists admit how little they know. The fact is even if some of them knew god existed they wouldn't want to serve him.
It's terrible when this is turned into a game. Two thousand years ago the ancients believe Jesus was raised from the dead. Today's physicists believe all of reality is an extended hologram and are still confronted by the explanatory gap of human consciousness.
Is he talking about the morality of christians 1000 years ago, 500 years ago, 100 years ago, 50 years ago? Christian morality changes constantly over time and by country, by class and by generation. Seeing that he an affluent, old, white, anglo-saxon, protestant, able bodied, heterosexual, male I think I can guess his “Christian Morality”.
lul white heterosexual...cause bl people have it so hard with trillions in wellfare for decades and hundres dof billions in undeserved university spots handed to them, taken from deserving whi and especially asians
Francis Collins referred to the anti science movement here in the US. But ironically, this problem is being propagated by the same bible believing evangelical Christian movement of which Francis is a member of and vocal advocate for. I wish Francis would stop talking about bible superstition as if it were scientifically, empirically, and historically valid. He is knowledgeable when it comes to genetics, but man does he have a huge case of egocentric and fear based cognitive dissonance when it comes to insisting on his upcoming blissful immortality. Poor Brian Greene had to sit and listen to Francis’ myth based delusions of grandeur, throughout the crux of this discussion. I will mention that in Brian Greene’s book “Until The End of Time”, Brian elaborates so eloquently, courageously, and insightfully on coping with existential issues, without needing to invoke gods or immortality infinitum. I lost much respect for Francis Collins, who in a sense, relapsed into promoting dark age religious ignorance tonight.
This clearly states that you know nothing about the scientific evidences available on the historic validity of the Bible..Why do not study something before to talk about?.. I know it is comfirting to juggle with the notions we have, but it is also so self limiting! Furthermore it would prove wrong early or later on..
@@stefaniamirri1112 You have come here , representing yourself as an authority on Bible and Judeo Christian Religion historicity. I need more indepth information from you. Based on your comment, at very least you should know the answers to these questions. How did the Abrahamic Religions originate and branch out from Judaism to Islam and Chistianity (and its splintered disagreeing 3,500 registered denominations)? Please explain why those Christian denominations are wrong and your evangelical denomination is right. Please be specific. Please tell me about the Abrahmic Tanakh, Talmud, Catholic Bible, Protestant Bible, quarn and Hadith? How do they compare and how do they contrast? Why do you consider some of these authentic and others not? Why do you consider one Abrahamic religious prophet's alleged divine revelation authentic, and another one's not. By what criteria do you pick and choose? When, where, how and by what councils were your Judeo-Christian doctrine and Holy Bible initially put together during the 4th century CE. Why did over 300 years pass after the life of Y'shua (Jesus), before a Christian doctrine and Holy Bible was assembled and made official by the Roman Church Papacy and Bishops. Why did the Roman Catholic Bishops and Papacy, influenced by the pagan Roman emperor Constantine, choose to insert the religion of Judaism and books of the Tanakh to compose the first 73% of their Holy Bible book and doctrine. Why did they select the Pauline letters, based on an alleged vision that disagreed with what Jesus and his disciples preached? Why did Jesus himself not write down a single word? Why is there not writings by even one person who actually met and knew the alleged Jesus placed in the New Testament, Why in the 17th century CE, were 7 book removed from the Bible? These were books that Christians had been reading and interpreting as "God's inspired word" for over 1000 years. Why did the King James Version decide to eventually leave these 7 books out entirely, and what was that decision based on? What evidence do you see today of any supernatural intervention or miracle suspending the laws of gravity, physics, biology, pathology, (natural laws that are constant and predictable). Please refer me to academic, medical, audio, video recordings of any alleged miracles that you know of. Every day while little innocent children are raped by serial pedophiles, or struck by lightening, or finally succumbs to months of starvation, does your alleged "loving, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent god” watch or does he look away?
A question comes to mind. What does Brian hope to accomplish, or gain from this dialog? This is a good example of how fruitless such conversations are to those who expect the tension of disagreement to work itself out so that something is learned, or perspectives are expanded when religious faith is on one side of the dialog. Offering to discard faith because of the finding of the bones of Jesus is laughable. What religious authority would authenticate such a claim, which would be made by scientists, not by the church? If you think for a moment that the church would acquiesce to the validity of the proclamation, then you are whatever the civil word is for delusional. Brian needs to remind Collins what the standards are for good evidence, and then make him show that his beliefs meet that criteria. On his own, Collins, and anyone else who holds religious beliefs, is not compelled to do so, except in the context of a dialog. Proceeding without those standards is like playing tennis without a net, or for that matter, without lines. It is a meaningless free for all.
@@nemrodx2185 You have nothing of substance to reply, so you resort to labels and slurs projected toward the most brilliant of scientists, scholars, authors such as Richard Dawkins... Why? You mention your belief in “Jesus”. How long has the name “Jesus” been associated with this New Testament Bible character? Do you even know? How old do you believe the earth to be? The universe? Do you believe that the biblical “Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden with a talking snake” were literally the first humans?
Well evil stems from immaturity, an underdeveloped view of the macrocosm of societies. Many atheists could be righteous and respectful because they saw the example in their parents, friends or peers. I think humanistic values ought to be taught in school, many kids don't see the best example in their parents and teachers come across as role models. I do believe in God, I think his universal consciousness has always existed before the big bang but I think he also developed his consciousness and created men, he wanted to create and share his power with his children the earthlings. The Dalai Lama says which Big Bang?, there have being many coalescence primordial events in the Universe while the planets were forming. The moon supposedly is an adrift part of the old Earth, so we need to behave good with one another to grow together, to strengthen the efforts, to create schools, villages, towns, societies and countries.
I thank GOD For science and reason. Revelation and reason guides me.
" I spent the pros and cons of looking at my atheism and to my surprise it went the other way" yeah it's very comforting too. Believe in things that are not true.
One of the best, most nuanced debates on the subject from people we can all admire. I find myself in more agreement with Brian's analysis of the "awe and wonder", but also feel that Francis's position is a very understandable one from his perspective. I began with very non-zero Bayesian priors but wonder how they could be revived - perhaps every diabetic suddenly being cured by an instantaneous change in their DNA or epigenome?
But I think Francis is extremely well-placed to bridge the divide between faith-based science skeptics and faith-skeptical scientists.
I love his focus on data-driven decisions and outcomes. I had no idea of his early physics background. His blend of medicine, science, and administration make him a national treasure.
What is non zero Bayesian priors?
Thank you Brian. This one really resonated with me to the core. I identify with Dr. Collins on my path to a belief that there is something greater that set everything in motion. I am an engineer, very analytical, but certain events in life changed my atheist tendencies. Great talk, once again, thank you.
I must add that I am not a religious man. My belief in a creative force is far more abstract and universal than religion attempts to describe it.
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@@pablokagioglu2546 Umm. Please explain.
At some point even otherwise rational people can get sucked into magical thinking. We don’t know therefor magic.
THE NIH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING THE BIOWEAPONS THAT WERE JUST USED TO MASS GENOCIDE HUMANITY - THIS IS OBJECTIVE REALITY - PLS WAKE UP YOU STUPID SHEEP - YOU ARE KILLING YOURSELVES AND YOUR CHILDREN. THIS MAN IS A GENOCIDIST RESPONSIBLE FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
Elohim is the multiverse, all containing all potentials, it says God is love, and love hope, trust all things, etc. Love is the infinite potential of the multiverse itself, and God is the all fulfilling and all containing of that multiverse, a static conscious presence all in all, so that it remains through all things, and in all things, so all events in the multiverse are then full of God, and contained by God, in him do we all live move and have being!
When inteleculuals like these two converse I think Angel's are getting their wings..thanks for sharing you're brilliant insight into the human condition..eternally grateful listener from Canada..
Please tell me you don’t believe in actual invisible angels/fairies and actual angels’ wings. 🧚♀️
@@jeanine219 of course I do..don't you?
ok then. So two intellectuals conversing means angels are getting their wings.? What does that even mean in this context?
intellectuals... collins is a corrupt, disgraced fraud... only this echochambre of sheeps could have been hard enough asleep to have missed it
it says a lot about this clown echochamber brian has garnered here that he gets a huge name on and has the comment section sperg out about his belief in god rather than brian letting a corrupt hack onto here and treating him as if he is an extinguished scientist
take a look at lex fridmans interview for contrast... not one out of the people with most popular comments whines about nonsense that frankly, many scientists are, but his disgraced work for the flu season we just decided to destroy the world economy over, despite killing as many people in 2020 as in any other normal flu year
Hope these wonderful conversations will not end because of fricking WW3
We can only prevent ww3 by ignoring russian war crimes.
Thank you for keeping it civil! Because I really like both of you! Us lay members would be left in the dust if it were not for your wonderful enthusiasm to include us!
it says a lot about this clown echochamber brian has garnered here that he gets a huge name on and has the comment section sperg out about his belief in god rather than brian letting a corrupt hack onto here and treating him as if he is an extinguished scientist
take a look at lex fridmans interview for contrast... not one out of the people with most popular comments whines about nonsense that frankly, many scientists are, but his disgraced work for the flu season we just decided to destroy the world economy over, despite killing as many people in 2020 as in any other normal flu year
I Brian is the greatest and the most qualified interviewer, so thankful.
it says a lot about this clown echochamber brian has garnered here that he gets a huge name on and has the comment section sperg out about his belief in god rather than brian letting a corrupt hack onto here and treating him as if he is an extinguished scientist
take a look at lex fridmans interview for contrast... not one out of the people with most popular comments whines about nonsense that frankly, many scientists are, but his disgraced work for the flu season we just decided to destroy the world economy over, despite killing as many people in 2020 as in any other normal flu year
I'm really glad you spent so much time discussing Dr Collins' belief and the ideas behind it. I wish he would just acknowledge that his belief is not scientific. It seems as if he tries to frame it as influenced by his scientific mindset, but that simply doesn't seem to stand up. All that said, he seems perfectly capable of shaping his religion around science rather than trying to shape science around his religion.
To be capable doesnt nean that would be right. If you knew the Biblical you would read clearly there that what you said means to make a religion about the creation rather than the Creator...big mistake, that just diverts people attention to the enemy and steal their soul from honouring the real God.
"Scientism" is the name of the "religion" you are talking about, it is already in the mindset of many as you..but it is not the right one as said above, and the Dr here knows it..he is clear, doesn't make your confusion .
True, science doesn't address or aprove faith. It falls outside of it and so it can't disapprove it either. You need something that falls outside causality and the spacetime arrow, and it's also infinifly mightly to create mathimatics and the laws of this physical existance with unimaginable energy and size. The answer to it is mostly found in philosophy and morality; science is not the tool to tell you what your limited mortal life purpose is
@Wirrling Ive red 3 bible translation many times. I'm interested in what part did you find disgusting? Also, what part is myth?many archaeological digs have discovered data points that prove the bible isn't a collection of stories but a historic fact.and I've never been to a church.
He makes me sick to the stomack, Collins is a phychopath and a narcicist to the N'th degree, and he WILL go to prison ,-
@@MikkelGrumBovin Jesus loves you.
I read "Jesus from Outer Space" by Richard Carrier this year. He makes a strong case that Jesus never existed, even as a regular mortal man, never mind as a supernatural man. (Carrier wrote a longer version of this book, also, titled "On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt.") I do think that it is _possible_ that there is some sort of "god" that created the universe, but with thousands of various gods in Earth's various mythologies, I doubt the Christian concept of god is the one who did it.
Carrier philosopichal naturalism bias made him that way
Try casting out a demon in the name of any other name but Jesus is one way to discover truth
No one gets to hurt me. ...always was the proof. Most obvious one. .. people who work on bettering themselves, is sorry for my bads, feels a compassion growth. Earn it to have proven. ..
I find it easy to think that there is a spectrum outside of our space and time. And that that spectrum can interact with other “dimensions”. Maybe in the future we’ll learn to transcend whatever barriers exist between these “planes. Oan, energy conceptually, never ceases to exist. I wonder if that is the foundation of everlasting life. A sentient form of energy.
One of the most interesting conversations i’ve seen on this channel. Thanks to you both!!
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@@rw6434 No more no less ,- Spot On 😕
You - Sugie -make me sick to the stomack , with you virtuesignaling, - Ptoi !
Excellent! I never miss a Brian Greene interview/presentation. I remember when President Clinton announced the success of the Human Genome Project and its ramifications in the future of medicine and other applications. Great science. Francis Collins is a Jesus freak. "God bless his little pea pickin' heart." - Tennessee Ernie Ford :)
Have you heard the phrase "telling on yourself"
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Francis Collins states he is a “born again Christian” and Bible believer. How can an otherwise intelligent individual like Francis Collins, promote belief in an invisible sky dada, who loves him and is literally following him around with a bag of miracles out of which to "bless" him with. And ultimately an invisible sky dada that will levitate him from his casket to pleasure paradise for infinity. How is it possible to actually believe that about oneself, with no evidence whatsoever, and yet have a fair amount of intelligence.
It is called terror of being completely vulnerable to laws of nature, denial of death, and machinations of egocentric superiority of a hairless primate species of which even Francis Collins admits he is a member of. One side of his brain is intelligent and critical thinking, but the other more dominating side is obviously in DENIAL, and paralyzed with existential terror and egocentricity.
Collins admits to being a believer according to the Christian religion and bible. The Christian religion teaches it’s biblical prophesy, of eternal torture in a sulfuric lake of fire for all of humanity who don’t buy into the God/Jesus/Holy Ghost myth. Conveniently Collins didn’t address that part of his Bible and belief system.
@@kenadams5504 I’m sorry. Your comments are not logical.
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration." Nikola Tesla Quote. Humanity and life i feel is also connected to the Universe, energy, frequency, and vibration. Connected together yet working uniquely and Individually.
That was a lot of words used to say nothing at all
If Tesla's theory concerning the universe. Or me combining human life to Tesla's theory says nothing at all to you I can respect that.
@@lindaamiano5837 Your statement was extremely vague and tangential. Not sure what your point was.
I was impressed with Dr. Collins for personally using his own mind conforming to scientific methodology and logic in processing religious rationale for evidence of an un caused One Creator and not settling down with views from his parent’s. At the same time I was disappointed that he stopped there and didn’t get a chance to analyze Islam as radically monotheistic way of life. And that he didn’t question his parent’s faith about Jesus (pbuh) being designated as son of God vs the concept that he was just a prophet with same God’s message as other prophets. If Jesus (pbuh) is made son of God by virtue of his unusual birth then it should have been the privilege of prophet Adam (pbuh) who didn’t have parents at all. ?!
I'm a scientist. I may not be as committed to a particular religion as Dr. Collins, and I think fine tuning maybe just another god of gap argument. But his worldview makes more sense than the materialist view described by Greene. The latter is more unbelievable.
Denying without evidence is similar to accepting without evidence. Just because someone says “pick a side, do you or do you not believe” doesn’t mean that I have to pick a standard side.
What one accepts as evidence potentially reveals more about the person than it does the subjects.
More often that accepted evidence has been influenced by stakeholders contributing to science data review institutions i.e. Cochrane
There is nothing wrong about scientist being a believer in higher powers, gods, larger consciousness etc. But there is something very wrong about scientist favoring one particular religion over another because of some obscure biased beliefs. Well, I guess it is politics baby, you cannot elect non-christian science advisor to represent government in highly religious christian country.
Thank you sir
morality as a construct (societal culture) or as an absolute truth in the eye of the creator: regardless of which, it seems like a cornerstone for evolution, and civilization.
Love this convo!
"I tell you that men will give an account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.
For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Hello Mr. Green 💚🍏 I love listening to you
I say that it is very possible and quite easy to have and use Spirituality and be in touch with God, the Universal Mind, Cosmic Consciousness or whatever you may want to call it *without* religion! I was born into the Christian Church, but now live my life without a Dogma, Doctrine or Religion quite happily. My Karma ran over my Dogma... many years ago. I searched all kinds of Christian Churches, Doctrines, Disciplines, Interpretations or whatever for years, and never found what I was looking for. I didn't really *know* what I was looking for, but I do know I never found it. The closest I came was Unity Church, but left that, mostly because of the Pastor/Preacher. I've come to feel that a Loving God does *not* SEND anyone to Hell.
The word "Sin" is an Archery term meaning, "You missed the mark," which has been perverted by religion by taking it to an Extreme with "Hellacious" repercussions. Down through the Ages, religion was created for Population Control and Christianity is no different. The Roman Catholic Church was created to aide the Roman Government of the day to keep the people in Fear. Anyone who makes it to "Heaven" gets there by their deeds and actions. Live against what is accepted as a Good life, and God does not send you to Hell; He simply doesn't Reward you with Heaven. You turned your back on the Reward, thinking you had a better or easier way, so you aren't Rewarded. You send *_yourself_* to Hell.
It's also a common saying and/or belief that there is no Fiery Pits of Hell, per se. By living the unkind, treacherous or evil life which you live, through your choices and God-given Free Will, the Hell you see and dwell in is the Life you live here on Earth. Beyond mortal death, many believe you move on in a Spiritual life-form, or Astral Body, the Soul, learning about how and where you went wrong, get lessons on living right, and reincarnate to try again. Some say, That's what Karma is. Mind you, I am *not* saying that Science is bad or evil. I think Science and Spirituality should live and thrive together. One day, I believe this will happen and some of the Questions that are so hard to answer will be fulfilled through that connection with God, the Universal Mind, Cosmic Consciousness or whatever you may want to call it. Quantum Physics used to be closer to it, but Quantum Mechanics seems to have moved away.
I love your description of your mother’s homeschooling.
I always felt that my way of teaching, although appearing a bit chaotic to those who don’t know what’s going on, was the most natural and interesting way of learning.
My favorite saying was, “Play to learn-Learn to play.”
My class was once so involved with our math that we missed our lunch and recess! They had absolutely no regret-no moaning or complaining about it-we simply let our principal know and she let us have a late lunch.
My kindergartners knew how to tell time to the minute. It all came about with a fun story that teaches that large isn’t necessarily more important than small. I demonstrated how the small hand is more important than the large one.
A clock with only the large hand doesn’t help at all-one with only the small hand can give us the approximate time by itself! ⏰
Now, I’ll need to go back and restart this presentation! I admire the intelligence in these two gentlemen. I don’t even come close to their intelligence, but it’s the type of program that keeps me going at my age. Thank you both!
God bless you both!
God bless you for respecting the kids and teaching "out of the box"!!!!!!!!
THE NIH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING THE BIOWEAPONS THAT WERE JUST USED TO MASS GENOCIDE HUMANITY - THIS IS OBJECTIVE REALITY - PLS WAKE UP YOU STUPID SHEEP - YOU ARE KILLING YOURSELVES AND YOUR CHILDREN. THIS MAN IS A GENOCIDIST RESPONSIBLE FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
Humankind can not live without crunch.
Hope you’re doing great gaining your strengths Brian!🙏Godspeed
Genesis says that God created the sun and stars and constellations on the 4th day. So the fist days 4 days couldn’t be 24 hours each because the sun didn’t exist yet and we get our hours from the sun. So the whole 7 days probably isn’t 7 24 hour periods.
The word day is made slang by many if not all. To some a day is when it’s light out, to some a day is over after the work is finished, or it is a 24 hour period. But on other planets due to their perspective from the sun, a day is longer or shorter.
Let there be light was the Big Bang and it was part of the first “day”or stage of creation.
Yay for this💛
Most of it was quite interesting, but too much talk about God for my liking.
BEAUTIFUL CONVERSATION
What a wonderful discussion! Thank you.
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After a long time . Finally it's here!!
I love Francis Collins, he's a great example of not letting religion get in the way of doing good science.
Thanks for the laugh!!! Sarcastic humor is the best!
lol... the guy is a corrupt, disgraced fraud
Dear Brian Greene, I admire the respectfulness and diplomacy that you exhibited during the "religion"portion of this dialogue.
I wanted to say thank you for all the books that you have written, as I have read them all. Your unsurpassed brilliance, in addition to your ability to bring complex concepts to to the average individual with such metaphorical eloquence is rare indeed. You have been the most influential writer to me, along with Richard Dawkins. Your book "Until the End of Time" is staggering as well as comforting. Thank you for addressing the existential angst that is ubiquitous with being a temporary sentient biological organism on this earth. Particularly for those of us unwilling to sacrifice our reasoning and intellectual honesty, in exchange for contrived delusions of divine personal deities, individual egocentricity, and eternal grandiosity.
You are so humble, genuine, courageous, and sincere and a true genius in the past and present frontiers of string theory and theoretical physics, with knowledge and communication that is as rare as stardust in the universe. Thank you for taking us virtually, on a big part of that journey with you. You are a pioneer and a legend with a future legacy that will last far far into the future.
Fascinating
I've tried joining in at various points, each time put off by multiple religious terms. Not what I come here for.
if it’s all just fundamental parts; then what unites all of those parts into a single whole; it is the consciousness of God; the logos itself; that describes just that! Making God all in all!
Your invisible magical sky dada gawd? 👻🧚♀️🎅🏼👼🏻. Gimme a break.
@@jeanine219 This is a constant living multiverse; in which the “supernatural” like higher dimensional celestial beings; or even eternal universes are fully possible; and so it’s just a matter of how we describe nature itself. The whole of Nature, is that eternal God; and heaven would be that eternal expression of a being in that eternal constant state. And so it’s simple; is this a “living” multiverse or a dead multiverse? If Consciousness can assemble in a brain 🧠 in a smaller scale: can’t that same awareness be present in a larger system or organization like a multiverse?
@@lovetwentyfourseven7428 so you want the universe to have a sentient God that is going to give you, love 23/7, kicks and giggles. Putting your wishful thinking aside, where is your EVIDENCE.
If an all powerful all knowing god character existed out there, then he would indeed be a monster. Did you see the movie
Series “The Hunger Games”? Yeh, like that only much worse👺🥶😩🤕🥵😫😭😢🥺😱😳
@@jeanine219 That’s not true at all; the natural order and humans in line with the natural order would flourish and heal the world; humanity is perfectly capable of Eden on earth. On the contrary mankind Trying to play God; living outside the bounds of Eden and the river of life the natural spirit of the universe; are destroying themselves in their own delusion; God created life and gave life; to all the earth to live in harmony with the natural order! God made beings to be in harmony with their own species; harmony with nature, and harmony with the universe. Wherever tao is not in harmony; there is suffering in a population or in beings.
@@lovetwentyfourseven7428 Your idea of a sentient, all loving, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, omni benevolent god is powerless or a monster or both.....Your bible (that you like to quote from in all or your previous comments under different videos) is a corrupt book featuring a malicious El/ yahweh/Jhova myth god. Your bible god ordered up mass infanticide, infant and child sacrifice to himself, mass genocide, kidnapping, rape,
thievery of entire communities in Canaan, etc etc. look at the world today. Look at the mass suffering of vulnerable innocent babies and children. 250,000 babies and children around the globe, die of starvation every month. Where is the “manna”?
Does your god watch each child starve to death or does he look away. Well he drowned out all babies and children in your noachian flood myth, so he probably watches.👺
Thank you for these conversation about so interesting topics related to science and scientific world
I am not the least bit interested in magical thinking.
@@jerrypolverino6025 Do you know the greatest magical thinking of them all?
@@Arunava_Gupta Religion.
@@jerrypolverino6025 No, it's not religion. It's "emergentism," the fatuous idea that a mass of neural tissue which belongs to the category of unconscious substance being of the same essence as flesh and bone, can *somehow* give rise to a conscious thinker and feeler, without there being *any* explanatory mechanism whatsoever. That's the real magical thinking right there!
@@Arunava_Gupta Nope. That is not the current thinking on biology. Magical explanations are still dumb. Not having every answer to every question is no reason to invoke magic.
hey brian, random thought i had while watching old videos on string theory and dark matter
we already "know" hydrogen is the most fundamental element but what about element -1? could it be that the first element that existed was so unstable that it all collapsed at the moment of the big bang into hydrogen and so on? like a stack of opposing magnetic blocks, at some point the gravity and weight of the blocks outweighs their magnetic force and it can be held in a quasi stable configuration due to gravity pulling them all down on eachother, if you perturb it even slightly, a chain reaction will cause the entire magnet tower to flip and reconfigure on itself until opposite poles are all facing in a more stable configuration with a few defects that are still held down by the other magnets?
like a balloon is "stable" until you create a small defect in it and it pops, releasing all of the higher pressure air into the bulk air around it normalizing pressure?
.....wow this is long and rambley but seriously, besides quarks, is there something more fundamental than hydrogen?
Thank you! So interesting.
Dr. Collins didn’t find the god of the Bible. He’s describing Wordsworth’s god:
A presence that disturbs me with the joy
Of elevated thoughts; a sense sublime
Of something far more deeply interfused,
Whose dwelling is the light of setting suns,
And the round ocean and the living air,
And the blue sky, and in the mind of man:
A motion and a spirit, that impels
All thinking things, all objects of all thought,
And rolls through all things.
My final words~ HM hmmmmm resonates in my heart~ The brain is not a muscle but the more we use it the greater its strength. In the mind this fabrication of consciousness that is built from perceptions of the world still does not compute the thought & reason. Reality is but a shadow that we think we can touch but as we get closer it moves with us.
HM is love that sails the oceans & transverses the universe. It is as much within as it is without. Religion is such a misunderstood topic. As humans we long to define the undefinable & reach the unreachable but somewhere in between is a heart full of love that will sail us upon sea & sky. I feel it's love & it is so devine~
It is interesting that Mr. Collins has this deep trust in the credibility of the Gospels and the descriptions in them. If you ask any historian about the subject, she/he will tell you that these texts contain many errors, discrepancies and contradictions that render them not 100% credible. Also, these texts were NOT written by eyewitnesess; they were written decades later (70s to 90s at best) by anonymous, highly educated Greek speaking people living in various parts of the Roman Empire. So, even if you believe in God, it's not justified logically to do so because of the credibility of these texts. People believe in God because of their "experience" with God.
I believe Collins is a psychopath , in the true sense of the Word, and a Criminal Narcicist, Who double down on "Gain of Function" as a good a viable strategy for vira studies AND implentation of such ,.....its Deeply Disturbing , the kind of power he holds,and one can only hope, he will get stopped in time........
@@MikkelGrumBovin, wow how on Earth does a nutcase end up on channel like this?
Ironic that a scientist lacks basic reasoning and critical thinking skills. But then again, all religious people forgave logic to accept faith anyhow.
The Christian Bible has served as a prototype for the worst atrocities against sentient beings.... and all the while referred to as the “holy and divine word of God”.
It is no wonder during the 4th century CE, that the corrupt Roman Church Papacy and Bishops contrived what the official "Christian doctrine" would be for millennia to come, and then set up what writings would be put into this new Christian manual which they named the “Holy Bible”. Ironically they chose to incorporate all of the corrupt violent books of the Tanakh as the first 75%.
Y'shua (Jesus) was an alleged teacher, carpenter, and zealot leader of the anti roman occupation. He was recruited as the king or messiah that the Jews had been looking for to save them from Roman rule. His life was interpreted many different ways, and even deified by some of the later Jesus cults. However Jesus and his disciples never wrote a word in the bible. It was subsequent self proclaimed ''apostles" who never even met Jesus, and wrote new "Jesus follower" stories decades and centuries after the alleged Jesus' life. The Roman Papacy and Bishops threw out hundreds of "Jesus cult" gospels and writings, only selecting 4 cult gospels obviously copied from each other, and written decades after Jesus death. Those few that would align with their newly contrived "Roman Church doctrine". And then of course they added all the Saul-Paul letters. So this combination of contrived doctrine and assembly of specific writings, brought in support from the Jews, Gentiles, circumcised, uncircumcised, Jesus cult followers, etc.....all for the Roman Church papacy.
The format and books were not chosen arbitrarily, but rather strategically customized to fit The Roman Church Papacy doctrine and template for maximum political-religious mandates, power, threats, control, oppression, torture (including of scientists and philosophers), bloodshed, stealing of lands, and plunder.
Christian Crusades, Inquisitions, Governments, Dictators, Religious leaders, cult leaders etc, have patterned and justified the worst of atrocities from this supremely corrupt, sadistic, violent “Holy Bible” and god template. By the way, the Roman Church is still here, and possibly the wealthiest most influential and powerful organization on the planet. Their strategic construction of a new Christian religion and bible in the 4th century CE, worked for them exactly as they intended.
The Bible has been copied by scribes, translated, modified, and completely altered, tens of thousands of times throughout history. Probably one of the most significant examples being, that over a millennium later 7 books that had been held by Christians as the "holy word of god" for 1000+ yrs, were displaced by the translator Martin Luther in his editing and re-translation, and then completely removed, not at first but eventually by the King James Version included. Martin Luther also tried to remove Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation...but he didn't get quite THAT far.
And many were written hundreds of years after the events supposedly took place. Also can't ignore early christians were all greek and the followers of dionysus were generally the converts. Many, many similarities between him and jesus - too many to ignore.
This was a really interesting conversation. The vitriol in the chat feed was even interesting, at least from a sociological point of view.
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Brian sir I want to meet you.
How can I meet? I want to meet you personally.
Lion King: the complete score makes me cry.
I was raised a believer, became agnostic and inching back to theism the older I get and the more I learn.
Except u do so without any proof of ur "beliefs" ... which is nonsensical.
Cool. Not convinced by what you're saying, though. Experience does not appear to be very typical, but it's not uncommon.
So where is your evidence of anything supernatural, outside of your mythical ancient, altered Bible. I have some additional questions for you: If your perfect, benevolent, just, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God does indeed exist as you claim: 1)Why does your God allow a 6 year old little boy to be abducted, sodomized, tortured, and killed by a serial pedophile? (Does your God watch, or look away) 2)Why doesn’t your God prevent metastatic cancer and brain tumors in children? 3)Why doesn’t your God magically reconnect completely severed spinal cords in children that are subsequently completely paralyzed from their neck down for the remainder of their life? (never has been documented in medical literature) 4)Why doesn’t your God remove and erase 3rd degree burn contracture scars that permanently disfigure a child, and cause pain, and restrict all movement for the rest of her life? (never has been documented in medical literature) 5)Why does your God allow children’s arms and legs to be blown off from a roadside IED explosion, and then why doesn’t he just recreate their arms and legs afterwards? (never has been documented in medical literature). 6)Why does your God allow an innocent child to be struck by lightning, such that he is permanently brain damaged? 7)Why doesn't God give a blind child her vision? 8) If your entire arm was amputated during an accident, do you think after praying for a year, there is any chance at all that you would wake up one morning with a brand new perfect arm that exactly matches your missing arm? (never has been documented in medical literature) 9) Why are over 250,000 babies and children per month across the globe born,only to starve to death because there is no food anywhere. The vultures are even circling them as they are dying. Where is the "manna"? Why does God sit back and allow them to be born, only to starve, suffer, and then die? Where is evidence for your particular benevolent omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent god? Why does your invisible god appear to not exist at all?
Lex Fridman had plenty enough to say about francis collins after his interview of him.
Hi God. Good to meet you. Can we sit down and talk for a bit? I have questions.
If you want this, you will have when you will be in a moment of bottom line in your life.
With that level of desespoir only, we humans are able even to give up our ego-pride-self rightiusness to open the door to Jesus of Nazareth ..who is already there waiting for one and each of us to invite Him in. He is at the door, but we do need let Him enter. He is respectful of our will and choice.
When you will touch your very bottom, remember these my words and seek for Him, call Him out loudly, you will SEE!
@@stefaniamirri1112 Thank you for your opinion. I have heard it literally my whole life. And still, have my doubts. I actually don't have a problem with God. I do have a problem with his true believers.
God: Sorry, I'm too busy planning my next genocide.
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You guys are some of my fave physicists
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Good and evil are abstractions that originated from pleasure and pain sensations. They are rooted in evolution.
The simple answer is: nothing = everything.
I wonder whether Francis Collins ever read about the Euthyphro dilemma
Love these live feeds .
Watching from Manchester, England.
Zero plus X Bayesian probability of a Being as Origin of Everything doesn't work if you apply Bayesian linear regression to human history...
Faith, mystical places or beings, areas of metaphysical thinking, that's a totally different point.
A positive attitude, i believe.
New video yay
Sir light is not fast.
E=mc² is 100% wrong.
Dr Green remind me of some one who believes in dimensions, including the mind which if truly explains ambiguity like the sophist. in all his arguments he can't explain
recently read the phrase "the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit" should be viewed as different visions of the Creator (like the old guy in heaven, the Father of all and the omnipresent spirit/conscious field) , each determining a certain personal level of consciousness and each was conveyed through a human messenger - first 2, being Moses and Jesus and this is from the last, also scientist who has been active for already 18 years
I used to find the whole religion vs. science argument interesting when arguing late at night in a dorm room. Now I find it extremely tedious. One’s religion or lack thereof is as good a motivation as any to have scientific curiosity. Really, it doesn’t matter as long as he’s scientifically rigorous in his pursuit of knowledge.
YES! Religious belief is personal but scientific rigour requires the application of the scientific process (eg evidence) etc
I see him as another supposedly rational and scientific person, who was suckered into swallowing magical thinking for emotional reasons. How disappointing.
@@jerrypolverino6025 collins? rational an dscientific? hes a disgraced clown for the corrup NIH... what planet have you been living on?
@@wasdwasdedsf You missed the key term “supposedly” at the start of my post. As for your question, I live on Earth where most inhabitants read well. What planet do you live on and why is your reading comprehension poor? Translation difficulties?
@@jerrypolverino6025 " As for your question, I live on Earth where most inhabitants read well."
nothing wrong with it, its yours that is the problem.
you said that before that you saw him as someone was rational and scientific. he is a disgraced criminal, and it says a lot about this clown echochamber brian has garnered here that he gets a huge name on and has the comment section sperg out about his belief in god rather than brian letting a corrupt hack onto here and treating him as if he is an extinguished scientist
take a look at lex fridmans interview for contrast... not one out of the people with most popular comments whines about nonsense that frankly, many scientists are, but his disgraced work for the flu season we just decided to destroy the world economy over, despite killing as many people in 2020 as in any other normal flu year
One would think as a man who believes that good and evil exist, he should then admit when he might have witnessed the non-good (evil) during his time at NIH?
Or are we to believe Dr. Collins never witnessed anything of a "non-good" (evil) nature which may have harmed people via consequences of its occurrence?
It was so funny when Collins talked about our free will and Brian bit his lips.
Yeah, I was curious if he would ask about Francis' opinion on free will.
Definition of the christian bible god's "free will": If you do what I say, you will live in a pleasure paradise for infinity. If you do not do what I say, you will live in a torture chamber for infinity.
it says a lot about this clown echochamber brian has garnered here that he gets a huge name on and has the comment section sperg out about his belief in god rather than brian letting a corrupt hack onto here and treating him as if he is an extinguished scientist
take a look at lex fridmans interview for contrast... not one out of the people with most popular comments whines about nonsense that frankly, many scientists are, but his disgraced work for the flu season we just decided to destroy the world economy over, despite killing as many people in 2020 as in any other normal flu year
@@jeanine219 Yeah...? If you believe in an objective standard of good then wouldn't it logically follow that rejecting that standard leads to consequences and suffering...? You're free to make choices, you're not free from consequences. Wish people were bright enough to understand that.
@@kagakai7729 riiiight. So I’ll assume you are one of those that is banking on a magical sky dada to transport you to a pleasure paradise for infinity, as long as you constantly call out platitudes to this Jehovah character? The same one that turns a blind eye to 250,000 innocent children across the globe who starve to death each month? Does your fictional omnipotent omnipresent omni benevolent
deity watch or does he turn his head? You are not reality based bro. You are living in your own delusion. Look around you. Do you watch the news? Do you know anything about science?
Having Reza Aslan in this conversation would be great.
Indeed and Mr. Al-khalil too. I love Brian (ever)Greene too🤭
huh
Our population is more than 4 times greater than it was in year 1900 also now education level increases so there must must be more than 4 times large number of scientists and so there must be 4,5 times scientific discovery, research in science must occur in today's world as compare to discovery and research in various fields of science so our civilization must also take more than 4,5 times greater leap or advance level growth level as compare to world in 1900. but this is not happening we are lacking somewhere proper human resources utilization is not taking place. Government must need to be concerned about it more than any other short term war for temporary control over very tiny fraction of a dot(earth). This is most concerned issues
Amazing....
It's so heartbreaking when a scientist decides to forego critical thinking and decide to rest on the comfortable pillow of 'god did it' and give up on life like this.
Just listen to timestamp 14:10 "The creator is the source of Good and Evil, and that means there a god who cares about people" A very caring god there, to create all that evil for us all to enjoy. Thanks.
That was the most impressive interview of anyone of advancing years i have ever witness.
Mr Francis Collins's incredible precision of thought in recognizing Brian's concerns or suggestions of potential conflicts with instant recall of his deepest convictions and what supports it despite the sheer volume accumulated over more than 4 decades of the highest level of work and its demands.
"18 days , 13.55 billion , 13-14 years , more than zero prior" ... exactly how difficult the human genome project entailed yet how easy collaborations can n should be made. Stating without bragging the far reaching effects it has on the most relevant issues corvid 19 or the speed of developing the antiviral , cancer by identifying the more likely successful treatment.
Its inspiring to know that such a balanced individual represents science , the US of A n its leadership of future possibilities.
13.77 billion
Great interview.
Thanks 🙏🙏big fu
Can these things be released on an audio only podcast feed, would be so useful, and you increase your audience
We integrated functionality to gain their interest in educational matters down here in New Mexico.
Huh?
@@jeanine219 in a nutshell God and Allah were running the planet the whole time but we called them Krishna & Ganesh to not get blamed for the undercover ops of hiding innocent slaves and babies from Masters' oops...
@@jeanine219 when they say we're all criminals they mean everyone except nothing
@@jeanine219 I wasn't supposed to exist I wasn't supposed to find out what they were doing to my kids I wasn't supposed to find out what they were doing to my brother and i wasn't supposed to tell anyone let alone everyone about the global World Order they'd all been running. That's malicious obstructing but we forgiveness forever players see the light. USA
@@jeanine219 my children were kidnapped and are being held as hostages in war crimes for extortion to frame me for the racketeering operation
There're other points which Dr. Collins didn't addrese like the moral purpose for the unfortunate in this world to be good while all evolution, and human desire want is to revenge and survive the wrongs they experienced. A psycopath who was raised in an unfortunate and abused world, has no purpose and no motive to feel or do any right to anyone in life if he left it all to his natural self and desire. It's to be an unnatural motive to reason doing what's right against the wrong you want and desire with every gene in your body
Why time is so important in laws of physics ? without time there Is any other event occur that can be seen in our perspective...🤔🤔
When you study science you don't have to wonder which parts are poetic and which parts are real! So the genesis is more poetic while the resurrection text is not! Sounds very subjective to me!
Isn’t this a science channel? Nothing against non-radical religions and religiousness and even though believing in any peaceful thing ( regardless of any scientific proof) has been proven to help people’s health, well being and happiness, there is no non-subjective scientific proof for any of those those 4000+ religions and it might be better to avoid belief based topics … especially if the believers/speakers are biased and have the financial and power related intensive of joining politics.
Agreed.
no this isnt a science channel. brian is a political activist lunatic, he has nothing to do with scientific thinking
Why would the universe go through all the bother of existing for nothing!!!!
There are no dice. I believe randomness is the stuff we don't understand/can't quantify yet...if ever we are even meant too
The universe doesn't "bother". It just is.
@@bobbabai Your 4D bubble of spacetime (your observable universe) exists without bothering, as it surely is in The Universe (the universe of everything that exists, including your observable universe and everything in or out of your observable universe); but is The Universe in The Universe, i.e., is it a member of itself? If it isn't, and there seems to be no reason to believe that it is, then The Universe doesn't bother or exist.
I think is time for more than one on one...
Dr. Greene and Mr. Collins, thank you for sharing your insights. Dr Greene a small thought experience, can I ask you put yourself in a creators shoes. Imagine yourself existing just a short time 25,000 years from now, (comparable the human invention of agriculture, or better yet, a fast trip to the center of the Milky Way), don’t put a limit on your lifespan. What kind of a Universe would you create? Would you create one where the intelligent life knows all from the beginning, BORING! Maybe you could imagine one of chance where expansion happens in an instant and life may experience all the wonder of your creation of seeking out mysteries and truth. Or maybe a universe built on one thing, where belief is a manifestation of reality. Please don’t fall into the trap of thinking our own demise. Regards
Collins: you can’t explain morality, you can’t explain what caused the Big Bang, therefore god.
Greene: could that not be construed as a god of the gaps argument?
Collins: well I suppose, but we will still be left with why there is something rather than nothing, and that can only be answered with God without an infinite regress.
Greene: could you not use any term in that way to avoid an infinite regress?
Collins: well, suppose, but then you still have morality…
Hi Darwin 42. That is right my souvenir stop at me being some where out of any any univers alone watching arrond few univers. This is where my souvenir stop. I can not explain why I exist, what is my purposes. It's quite embarrassing and painful. Not Abel to answering no one about where I am coming from and why, what and all that. I am sorry it make me not solvable I understand why not be living an me. Sorry. Looking from this point sure I am looking as a charlatan. I not Abel to argue about all from nothing. Now I will evaluate if I should deasapir as before. Not to be in human buissnises. 😎
Morality is a human construct, I don’t see why that is so hard for people to understand.
@@beer3029 thats is epistemology, but the ontology you can’t answer that from atheistic world view
@@deczen47 that's because ontology is presuming that there is a meaning to it all, I'm afraid you are trying to reverse engineer it all to justify a deity that might care that you exist. It's a philosophical substrate for something that doesn't exist.
@@beer3029 i find that very unconvincing. If that is the case, if someone like hitler or stalin spread theyre morality on the world, given 3-4 centuries it would be the norm aka correct
Show me how you get from a sterile earth to one thriving with life. Show me how water turns into a fish and a fish later walks on land.
Google it !
@@claudiaxander I have I can connect lifeless with thriving life. Just like scientist in the lab can't.
@@claudiaxander a theory doesn't carry any weight in something this important. If you can't prove this you have nothing.
@@westtexas806 what? Unfalsifiable Magic Man did it???
@@westtexas806 all unfalsifiables must be swallowed to the same degree.
i am not here to see a religious proclaiment.... i find it disturbing time got wasted upon it by the world science festival.
Listen and maybe you’ll learn something of value about those of Christian faith and their beliefs
i have seen enough of christianity and i do not wat to see anymore of it , thank you. the arrogance you show is offputting to say the least. @@blakerice7928
Christ is a "perspective conscientiousness" not a person... Jesus was Jesus of Nazareth that achieved "Christ conscientiousness" to be known as Jesus of Christ. Christ being God. God being the Universe. Please don't complicate it with religion. Jesus was Gnostic not Christian.
At min 16:40 Collins says "God has to be outside of space and outside of time to avoid an infinite regress." Mathematics is like that, outside of time and outside of space. It is immaterial, it does not obey any physical law, it is immune to the Second Law, it is eternal, present everywhere, always true, and it is complete if you take into account the coherence of the system itself, as Penrose affirms. So math is just like God, except that it does not demand you to abstain from eating pork or consecrating your life to certain practices on (inconsistent) moral principles alone. Where there differential equations when the dinosaurs roamed the earth? Did anyone there bother about Fermat's theorems, any of them, not just the last one? Like God, math was irrelevant in the world of the dinosaurs. Now we build bridges and telescopes that allow us to see creation through the eyes of James Watt created by us with great mathematics.
Surprised they didn't talk about consciousness or nde's if they wanted to do a fair debate whether god exists or not. Biggest weakness of materialists is they don't know what consciousness is. At least some scientists admit how little they know. The fact is even if some of them knew god existed they wouldn't want to serve him.
It's terrible when this is turned into a game.
Two thousand years ago the ancients believe Jesus was raised from the dead.
Today's physicists believe all of reality is an extended hologram and are still confronted by the explanatory gap of human consciousness.
Is he talking about the morality of christians 1000 years ago, 500 years ago, 100 years ago, 50 years ago? Christian morality changes constantly over time and by country, by class and by generation.
Seeing that he an affluent, old, white, anglo-saxon, protestant, able bodied, heterosexual, male I think I can guess his “Christian Morality”.
lul white heterosexual...cause bl people have it so hard with trillions in wellfare for decades and hundres dof billions in undeserved university spots handed to them, taken from deserving whi and especially asians
Francis Collins referred to the anti science movement here in the US. But ironically, this problem is being propagated by the same bible believing evangelical Christian movement of which Francis is a member of and vocal advocate for.
I wish Francis would stop talking about bible superstition as if it were scientifically, empirically, and historically valid. He is knowledgeable when it comes to genetics, but man does he have a huge case of egocentric and fear based cognitive dissonance when it comes to insisting on his upcoming blissful immortality.
Poor Brian Greene had to sit and listen to Francis’ myth based delusions of grandeur, throughout the crux of this discussion. I will mention that in Brian Greene’s book “Until The End of Time”, Brian elaborates so eloquently, courageously, and insightfully on coping with existential issues, without needing to invoke gods or immortality infinitum.
I lost much respect for Francis Collins, who in a sense, relapsed into promoting dark age religious ignorance tonight.
This clearly states that you know nothing about the scientific evidences available on the historic validity of the Bible..Why do not study something before to talk about?..
I know it is comfirting to juggle with the notions we have, but it is also so self limiting! Furthermore it would prove wrong early or later on..
I agree - cognitive dissonance at an extraordinary level.
@@stefaniamirri1112 You have come here , representing yourself as an authority on Bible and Judeo Christian Religion historicity. I need more indepth information from you. Based on your comment, at very least you should know the answers to these questions.
How did the Abrahamic Religions originate and branch out from Judaism to Islam and Chistianity (and its splintered disagreeing 3,500 registered denominations)? Please explain why those Christian denominations are wrong and your evangelical denomination is right. Please be specific. Please tell me about the Abrahmic Tanakh, Talmud, Catholic Bible, Protestant Bible, quarn and Hadith? How do they compare and how do they contrast? Why do you consider some of these authentic and others not? Why do you consider one Abrahamic religious prophet's alleged divine revelation authentic, and another one's not. By what criteria do you pick and choose? When, where, how and by what councils were your Judeo-Christian doctrine and Holy Bible initially put together during the 4th century CE. Why did over 300 years pass after the life of Y'shua (Jesus), before a Christian doctrine and Holy Bible was assembled and made official by the Roman Church Papacy and Bishops. Why did the Roman Catholic Bishops and Papacy, influenced by the pagan Roman emperor Constantine, choose to insert the religion of Judaism and books of the Tanakh to compose the first 73% of their Holy Bible book and doctrine. Why did they select the Pauline letters, based on an alleged vision that disagreed with what Jesus and his disciples preached? Why did Jesus himself not write down a single word? Why is there not writings by even one person who actually met and knew the alleged Jesus placed in the New Testament, Why in the 17th century CE, were 7 book removed from the Bible? These were books that Christians had been reading and interpreting as "God's inspired word" for over 1000 years. Why did the King James Version decide to eventually leave these 7 books out entirely, and what was that decision based on? What evidence do you see today of any supernatural intervention or miracle suspending the laws of gravity, physics, biology, pathology, (natural laws that are constant and predictable). Please refer me to academic, medical, audio, video recordings of any alleged miracles that you know of. Every day while little innocent children are raped by serial pedophiles, or struck by lightening, or finally succumbs to months of starvation, does your alleged "loving, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent god” watch or does he look away?
@@stefaniamirri1112 Ha....and when you are questioned, you have no answers and go into hiding. So typical of you bible believers.
Ironic that a scientist lacks basic reasoning and critical thinking skills. But then again, all religious people forgave logic to accept faith anyhow.
A question comes to mind. What does Brian hope to accomplish, or gain from this dialog?
This is a good example of how fruitless such conversations are to those who expect the tension of disagreement to work itself out so that something is learned, or perspectives are expanded when religious faith is on one side of the dialog.
Offering to discard faith because of the finding of the bones of Jesus is laughable. What religious authority would authenticate such a claim, which would be made by scientists, not by the church? If you think for a moment that the church would acquiesce to the validity of the proclamation, then you are whatever the civil word is for delusional.
Brian needs to remind Collins what the standards are for good evidence, and then make him show that his beliefs meet that criteria. On his own, Collins, and anyone else who holds religious beliefs, is not compelled to do so, except in the context of a dialog. Proceeding without those standards is like playing tennis without a net, or for that matter, without lines. It is a meaningless free for all.
The funny part is, the guy who used to run the Bellvue hospital believes himself to be a fragment of Thoth reincarnated in the past. Mitchell Gibson.
..quite difficult to change the anthropocentric views on the pale blue dot...
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Science is the main reason I believe in Jesus.
Christian apologetics Pseudoscience you mean. That is not science.
@@jeanine219 You need to see beyond Richard Dawkins bigotry
@@nemrodx2185 You have nothing of substance to reply, so you resort to labels and slurs projected toward the most brilliant of scientists, scholars, authors such as Richard Dawkins... Why?
You mention your belief in “Jesus”. How long has the name “Jesus” been associated with this New Testament Bible character? Do you even know?
How old do you believe the earth to be? The universe?
Do you believe that the biblical “Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden with a talking snake” were literally the first humans?
@@jeanine219 "You mention your belief in “Jesus”. I have not mentioned Jesus in my comments... Do you have reading comprehension problems?
@@nemrodx2185 Oh Nimrod. Why do you apologist Bible thumpers always deny Jesus when confronted? Also why are you hiding behind a moniker?
I felt humbled gl move on to theology
Ask Sam Groft he will give you the answers once you stop spying and abusing him
Well evil stems from immaturity, an underdeveloped view of the macrocosm of societies. Many atheists could be righteous and respectful because they saw the example in their parents, friends or peers. I think humanistic values ought to be taught in school, many kids don't see the best example in their parents and teachers come across as role models. I do believe in God, I think his universal consciousness has always existed before the big bang but I think he also developed his consciousness and created men, he wanted to create and share his power with his children the earthlings. The Dalai Lama says which Big Bang?, there have being many coalescence primordial events in the Universe while the planets were forming. The moon supposedly is an adrift part of the old Earth, so we need to behave good with one another to grow together, to strengthen the efforts, to create schools, villages, towns, societies and countries.