Great video, I don't think anyone needs more than 500 hp, especially with that type of torque curve. Nice to know that for a couple thousand bucks you will have a super high performance car that probably does 0-60 in the low 3's
It's good, enough to be with the big boys. High 10s with ~125 mph trap speed. Still, my problem with the Supra was that it kind of dies on the top end, the turbo is too small. Pure700/Pure800 fixes that, but then you need port injection, as the fuel system can't give enough fuel for the larger turbo. S58 is the way if you really want big power. I whish a manual version with S58 come some day.
@@shaneducholke364 maybe true, but still a lot of people care about roll races. If you go E50, most likely you would like to run against someone sometime.
@@0Camus0 That’s a whole different price class of mods. I’m good where I’m at! It works on track and is still faster than most OEM cars on the freeway. I’m going to do a feature on a 700hp Supra soonish though.
Back in the 90's 2500 lbs was light ... 2800+ was like 😳 heavy. Even though the "real" Supra MKIV was 3600 lbs HEAVY it was the king of the streets and still is for the most part.
The 2022 Supra 3.0 with an EcuTek tune or piggy back ecu combined with an intake and catted downpipe plus a flexfuel capability which allows the use of E85 will net at a minimum 450HP ATW which is pretty impressive if everything is integrated properly. The ECU for the 2023 Supra 3.0 has been unlocked by certain companies. 😎🇦🇺😉👍
What could be done for a 2024 3.0 Supra? I would like to tune it I think but I still want to keep this car as stock as possible. But in the future maybe I could do a cold intake and a turbo back exhaust in the future.. thoughts??
There was a entire segment done on the Supras handling on those Apex guys channels. I would suggest that anyone considering increasing horsepower might want to take a look at first. These dudes are tied into the German Nurburgring crowd, and tuned the Supras suspension for the ring. The reason i say this is any increase in horsepower is only going to amplify this problem. It goes the same for a C7 series Corvette and nobody is talking about what happens when you modify a car that comes from the factory that has suspension problems that could be dangerous at high speed? The answer is it becomes more dangerous with more horsepower. You can tune these cars to Porsche level performance, but it takes a lot more than just horsepower. If your drag racing ONLY then it might be a good investment, but 600 ft lbs of torque is a whole lot on the street to not be in complete control for ANY sports car.
@@revmatchtv Nah, i was heavily into the sports car game in Switzerland where i lived for almost two decades, and before that had a 69 Camaro SS. My point being was in reference to what you WANT as a sports car that is well rounded for both street and track. I am heavily interested in buying that C8 to go to V.I.R because i am in this area. Limit handling is pretty serious when driving high horsepower cars. I know you track also, and very interested what your take on handling is with more power added.
This would only apply to about 5% of owners that would spend any time on a track and probably only 10% of those owners would be on a track with corners anything close to the ring and less than half of those people have the skills to drive a car that close to the edge. Basically 1 in 1000 owners that increased their power to this level would even potentially have this issue, so the chances are much higher that they would blow a tire in a hard corner. In other words this doesn't really apply to anyone consider those that it may affect would definitely be doing serious suspension upgrades
A more detailed response is that the Nurburgring situation is not encountered on too many tracks: very high velocity (160-220+kph) over a crest into a turn. That of course will unweight the suspension dramatically and cause camber/toe changes in the rear making the car feel unstable. Most tracks don't have that type of dynamic and so most drivers will never encounter it. Jackie Ding has competed at a wide range of tracks in his Supra and has not encountered it. It's a very short wheelbase car and likes to rotate pretty quickly. As others have pointed out, much of the camber changes can be dialed out by swapping out the rear control arms and bushings with SPL components. The added benefit is more alignment adjustability. Personally, I've never been on a track where this situation occurs, however the car will keep you on your toes.
Is there any easy to way to determine the build date of these cars? Shopping online and determining which are worth going to look at would be easier if I had a good way to look before hand.
6:25 That toque peak drop looks suspiciously like pulled timing or overboost. Something funny is going on there. I wouldn't want to have to throttle around that peak all the time.
Depends on the state. In California you have 6 years of no emissions testing after the model year of the car. So a 2020 model will start emissions testing in 2026-2027 in California. Every state has different rules.
@@revmatchtv every 2 in Illinois. Nightmare with APR tuned A5 with downpipe. Got lucky. Have 911 S 992 now and scurred to APR/Akrapovic etc it. Spectre911s
Its ok to be in Denial and must suck to know that you purchased a FAKE Supra powered by BMW and made in Germany, not even a real JDM. But i guess when i said 500+ hp BMW, that really hit that tender spot because you reacted. So yes your fake Supra is only a Supra by the ink on the title and the plastic badges on it, you purchased a Transgender Supra .... Hows the LGBTQ Community these days ??? At least i am not the one driving around in a BMW Z4 identify'ing as a Supra LOL
@@ACommenterOnUA-cam Humans are such strange creatures. The amount of bias and tribalism in you is both comical and troubling. Where am I in denial? I couldn't care less that Toyota teamed up with BMW and that the car is mostly German engineering. It wouldn't have come to fruition when it did otherwise and I own a great car because of it. Why does it bother you so? Why are you so insecure that you need to act macho? I assure you, you've hit no "tender spot". I find it hilarious and annoying that people are so troubled by the duo. I've owned a handful of sports cars and each have been made by a different manufacturer. I find it silly to have a bias or loyalty to any specific brand. Are you aware that the legendary predecessor teamed with Yamaha to make the infamous 2JZ engine? If so, I'd love to hear why that doesn't get you all riled up. My guess is that you weren't aware and will now proceed to make an excuse and embarrass yourself with a comment equivalent to "my dad can beat up your dad". Ah, so you're a homophobic Trumptard. That makes PERFECT sense. I love how you are so unabashed by your own hatred and bigotry. Stay classy. I probably won't get an honest answer, but what does a genuine, conservative, tough guy like yourself drive? If you have a sports car, I'm guessing it's of the muscle car variety. If not, I'm guessing a truck, a preference to diesel, and perhaps lifted or on bigger, more aggressive tires? Hell, maybe you have both. I'm seriously hoping you also have an American flag attached to said truck. 🙏
Dont lose warranty ...better to have a warranty. Imo. Developing Driver skill is more valuable and more fun. The supra is fast enough. With german engineering Better to have a warranty.. JMO
@@revmatchtv I appreciate your response although personally the cars are so quick stock I’d error on the side of caution. Different strokes for different folks Enjoy
@@revmatchtv IN Europe you lose 10 year Toyota warranty if you tuch ECU or ad more than 20 HP ...if Toyota service see in log your engine produced more hp than factory you lose warranty
More than 800, tune from someone reputable like botti or payne is 1,200-1,300. Downpipe like 300-400 and that doesn't include the ecutek or bench unlock services
The BMW B48 is probably good for around 350whp, that's pushing it. Before you start lifting the head, blowing the turbo, probably with some head studs, new turbo, piping,E85, before you fully build the block, internals should handle 450hp, its basically a B58 with only 4 cylinders. it should be able the same rods and pistons as the B58, im not sure, but a B58 has been proven to push 850hp wheel with stock internals.
@@revmatchtv Oh sure, but think about what you're getting in even a base-model car today, vs twenty years ago. It's night and day. I imagine it like, if someone pulled up to me in a 2020+ Supra in 2004? How much would I have paid then?
Very good gains!! I think the 500whp mark makes for a very fun street/track car.
I love that yellow it’s just makes the car look more exotic
Great video, I don't think anyone needs more than 500 hp, especially with that type of torque curve. Nice to know that for a couple thousand bucks you will have a super high performance car that probably does 0-60 in the low 3's
It's good, enough to be with the big boys. High 10s with ~125 mph trap speed.
Still, my problem with the Supra was that it kind of dies on the top end, the turbo is too small. Pure700/Pure800 fixes that, but then you need port injection, as the fuel system can't give enough fuel for the larger turbo.
S58 is the way if you really want big power. I whish a manual version with S58 come some day.
@@0Camus0 absolutely, but less than 5% of owners will ever take it to the drag strip.
@@shaneducholke364 maybe true, but still a lot of people care about roll races. If you go E50, most likely you would like to run against someone sometime.
@@0Camus0 That’s a whole different price class of mods. I’m good where I’m at! It works on track and is still faster than most OEM cars on the freeway. I’m going to do a feature on a 700hp Supra soonish though.
@@revmatchtv yeah, that's true. Still Pure800 Supras with Port Injection are doing GTR tuned numbers!
Funny how nowadays 3300 lbs is a light little car. Lol. Back in 2001 anything above 3000lbs was considered heavy.
Light for a “modern” car!
Back in the 90's 2500 lbs was light ... 2800+ was like 😳 heavy.
Even though the "real" Supra MKIV was 3600 lbs HEAVY it was the king of the streets and still is for the most part.
At It's core, the Supra is a GT car. 3300lbs is more than reasonable. It's just a shame they such poor visibility.
@@Josh-cw8by The visibility 'issue' is something I've never noticed. It's never bothered me. Something people like to talk about.
@@revmatchtv Could be what you got used to driving. My first cars were hot hatches so visibility was always amazing. What was your first cars?
The 2022 Supra 3.0 with an EcuTek tune or piggy back ecu combined with an intake and catted downpipe plus a flexfuel capability which allows the use of E85 will net at a minimum 450HP ATW which is pretty impressive if everything is integrated properly.
The ECU for the 2023 Supra 3.0 has been unlocked by certain companies.
😎🇦🇺😉👍
Ooo Which companies?
Cap 🧢 only fentmo
Yea! Finally some nice Supra Content again! Thank you!!!
More to come!
Awesome video man, super informative and well put across. Plus...Who doesn't love a supra!
I have an early 2020, no bench unlock required 🙌
Same =)
Looks like you’re out in California! Who is your tuner? I have a 2020 Supra that I’m looking to do something similar.
Same bro! In Cali. Bay Area. Looking for a tuner. Nobody tunes Supras up here.
Let me know if y'all find someone
@@edwards4409 The only place I’ve found is Speedlogic is SoCal. Westminster. I can’t find anyone in the SF Bay Area
What could be done for a 2024 3.0 Supra? I would like to tune it I think but I still want to keep this car as stock as possible. But in the future maybe I could do a cold intake and a turbo back exhaust in the future.. thoughts??
Intake doesn’t do much for these cars! Other than cool turbo whistle. Best bang for your buck is downpipe, and tune/flex fuel setup.
My Supra is stock and is plenty fast for the street! No need for more power
Have a 2020 launch edition dme Dme made in 2019 April 13 do i need to get unclocked ? Noob here
There was a entire segment done on the Supras handling on those Apex guys channels. I would suggest that anyone considering increasing horsepower might want to take a look at first. These dudes are tied into the German Nurburgring crowd, and tuned the Supras suspension for the ring. The reason i say this is any increase in horsepower is only going to amplify this problem. It goes the same for a C7 series Corvette and nobody is talking about what happens when you modify a car that comes from the factory that has suspension problems that could be dangerous at high speed? The answer is it becomes more dangerous with more horsepower. You can tune these cars to Porsche level performance, but it takes a lot more than just horsepower. If your drag racing ONLY then it might be a good investment, but 600 ft lbs of torque is a whole lot on the street to not be in complete control for ANY sports car.
I’m very familiar with the Apex guys and the handling of this car which I’ve had on track many times. Do you have a Supra or C7?
@@revmatchtv Nah, i was heavily into the sports car game in Switzerland where i lived for almost two decades, and before that had a 69 Camaro SS. My point being was in reference to what you WANT as a sports car that is well rounded for both street and track. I am heavily interested in buying that C8 to go to V.I.R because i am in this area. Limit handling is pretty serious when driving high horsepower cars. I know you track also, and very interested what your take on handling is with more power added.
This would only apply to about 5% of owners that would spend any time on a track and probably only 10% of those owners would be on a track with corners anything close to the ring and less than half of those people have the skills to drive a car that close to the edge. Basically 1 in 1000 owners that increased their power to this level would even potentially have this issue, so the chances are much higher that they would blow a tire in a hard corner.
In other words this doesn't really apply to anyone consider those that it may affect would definitely be doing serious suspension upgrades
A more detailed response is that the Nurburgring situation is not encountered on too many tracks: very high velocity (160-220+kph) over a crest into a turn. That of course will unweight the suspension dramatically and cause camber/toe changes in the rear making the car feel unstable. Most tracks don't have that type of dynamic and so most drivers will never encounter it. Jackie Ding has competed at a wide range of tracks in his Supra and has not encountered it. It's a very short wheelbase car and likes to rotate pretty quickly. As others have pointed out, much of the camber changes can be dialed out by swapping out the rear control arms and bushings with SPL components. The added benefit is more alignment adjustability. Personally, I've never been on a track where this situation occurs, however the car will keep you on your toes.
Keeping thinking of trading in my 700rwhp roush mustang on this, especially in the manual.
do it
Pretty tough choice! The Mustang is a fantastic car.
Same here, I have a 641 hp stang and wanna trade it
@@imurkdotcom as you see by my picture I made the trade!!
Any regrets?
Is there any easy to way to determine the build date of these cars? Shopping online and determining which are worth going to look at would be easier if I had a good way to look before hand.
You should be able to grab the vin and search in an online vin database. This should tell you all the information about the car
Hey Rev so why is the apr wing off the supra? I was curious because I'm planning on getting it for my a90.
I take it off for city driving. It's a pain to open the hatch with it on.
What are the mods on ur supra? (names)
yellow looks super good
I detailed the power mods in the video iirc. The only other mods are HKS springs and the Konig Hypergram wheels.
6:25 That toque peak drop looks suspiciously like pulled timing or overboost. Something funny is going on there. I wouldn't want to have to throttle around that peak all the time.
Likely pulled timing. That was the first tune I showed. It's been improved quite a bit since then.
So a Supra built in April 2021 would be encrypted or no?
Yes. It’s locked. You have to have it cloned. Will cost ya $1.5-2k just for a clone ECU.
Nice Supra, what wing is it?
APR. In fact, I'm selling it. DM me on Instagram if you're interested at revmatchtv
The company that can clone the ecu is called femto and is operating from Finland in EU save some $$$ send it directly to them.
It's $3-6K all in to have them perform this service.
Hey men get rid of the wing I don’t care wat u said or thin or do just no wing
I take off the wing for city driving
Wait so I gotta pay 1500-1800USD just to be able to unlock the ecu and have the flash software?
If you have 2022+ it’s more like 6-8k
@@revmatchtvThat’s just insane.
Doesn't this make passing emissions a nightmare?
Depends on the state. In California you have 6 years of no emissions testing after the model year of the car. So a 2020 model will start emissions testing in 2026-2027 in California. Every state has different rules.
@@revmatchtv every 2 in Illinois. Nightmare with APR tuned A5 with downpipe. Got lucky. Have 911 S 992 now and scurred to APR/Akrapovic etc it. Spectre911s
FYI, a locked ECU is dictated by the ECU manufacture date, not the vehicle. I have a 2021 supra but my ECU was manufactured before the locked cutoff.
Correct. After about 6/20 is when the new ECU became the norm.
Its ok to be in Denial and must suck to know that you purchased a FAKE Supra powered by BMW and made in Germany, not even a real JDM.
But i guess when i said 500+ hp BMW, that really hit that tender spot because you reacted.
So yes your fake Supra is only a Supra by the ink on the title and the plastic badges on it, you purchased a Transgender Supra .... Hows the LGBTQ Community these days ???
At least i am not the one driving around in a BMW Z4 identify'ing as a Supra LOL
@@ACommenterOnUA-cam Humans are such strange creatures. The amount of bias and tribalism in you is both comical and troubling. Where am I in denial? I couldn't care less that Toyota teamed up with BMW and that the car is mostly German engineering. It wouldn't have come to fruition when it did otherwise and I own a great car because of it. Why does it bother you so? Why are you so insecure that you need to act macho? I assure you, you've hit no "tender spot". I find it hilarious and annoying that people are so troubled by the duo. I've owned a handful of sports cars and each have been made by a different manufacturer. I find it silly to have a bias or loyalty to any specific brand. Are you aware that the legendary predecessor teamed with Yamaha to make the infamous 2JZ engine? If so, I'd love to hear why that doesn't get you all riled up. My guess is that you weren't aware and will now proceed to make an excuse and embarrass yourself with a comment equivalent to "my dad can beat up your dad".
Ah, so you're a homophobic Trumptard. That makes PERFECT sense. I love how you are so unabashed by your own hatred and bigotry. Stay classy.
I probably won't get an honest answer, but what does a genuine, conservative, tough guy like yourself drive? If you have a sports car, I'm guessing it's of the muscle car variety. If not, I'm guessing a truck, a preference to diesel, and perhaps lifted or on bigger, more aggressive tires? Hell, maybe you have both. I'm seriously hoping you also have an American flag attached to said truck. 🙏
Deleted previous comments and ran. What a coward @You Tube
Dont lose warranty ...better to have a warranty. Imo. Developing Driver skill is more valuable and more fun. The supra is fast enough. With german engineering Better to have a warranty.. JMO
You don’t lose warranty by law. They can refuse to cover something affected by the mods though. I’ve had no issues with the car so far though.
@@revmatchtv I appreciate your response although personally the cars are so quick stock I’d error on the side of caution.
Different strokes for different folks
Enjoy
@@JBsC6 Good for you. Why would you even bother sharing that in a forum that is specific to modding cars? Lol
@@MizzouRah78 it’s important to maintain balance and learn from others sometime. ;)
@@revmatchtv IN Europe you lose 10 year Toyota warranty if you tuch ECU or ad more than 20 HP ...if Toyota service see in log your engine produced more hp than factory you lose warranty
What about the MPG?
What does it trap in the 1/4
I've ony run the 1/8th. It's not really set up for drag. I prefer road courses.
This is fuching insane, 500HP for $800 bucks!!
It’s more than that actually, but you’ll get a huge power bump from a piggyback.
E50 Tune+downpipe. $800 bucks= 500whp
More than $800, but still very cost effective.
More than 800, tune from someone reputable like botti or payne is 1,200-1,300. Downpipe like 300-400 and that doesn't include the ecutek or bench unlock services
@@Teebxv I explained the costs in the video. If anything I was under-estimating.
@@revmatchtv no need I got it all done and more 🤗
@@Teebxv where do you find a downpipe for 300-400 dollars lol? Pls help
I wonder if the single exit exhaust makes more power than the 20hp you got on yours…
I doubt it. The Borla is extremely efficient and when you open up the valve, it's just a straight pipe.
The burning question is, how much of an effect would this have on the 2.0?
I can research it. I don’t know the specifics but the b48 is tunable afaik. Not sure on encryption. Seems like a decent topic for another video
The BMW B48 is probably good for around 350whp, that's pushing it. Before you start lifting the head, blowing the turbo, probably with some head studs, new turbo, piping,E85, before you fully build the block, internals should handle 450hp, its basically a B58 with only 4 cylinders. it should be able the same rods and pistons as the B58, im not sure, but a B58 has been proven to push 850hp wheel with stock internals.
nice
not going to lie, that big wing in the back is the ugliest thing I've seen on a car. Other than that, pretty informative video!
It is a rich mans car still
Cars ain’t cheap. Prices have gone WAY up over the last 20 years.
@@revmatchtv Oh sure, but think about what you're getting in even a base-model car today, vs twenty years ago. It's night and day. I imagine it like, if someone pulled up to me in a 2020+ Supra in 2004? How much would I have paid then?
Lawsuits….The history of Nissan engine/transmission failures in the last 20 years up to “now”-- No thank you .
500+ hp BMW
It's obsolete in 2 years so trade it for an electric before it's obsolete.
And why are you here ??
Shut up
I own an EV as well as this. This smokes my Mustang Mach E GTPE after 60.
Go drive your Tesla and leave the rest of us alone.
I'm in 2023 😅 and I can say SIKE ....supra is awesome. got me 1